Nato now in ‘direct confrontation’ with Moscow, says Kremlin I Ukraine: The Latest, Podcast
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- Опубліковано 25 тра 2024
- Today, we bring you the latest news from the battle front as Russia bombards Ukraine’s border regions and cities. Plus, we report on the muted celebrations as NATO celebrates its 75th birthday and analyse a new, looming threat to Ukraine, from Europe's resurgent right-wing parties.
Contributors:
David Knowles (Head of Audio Development). @djknowles22 on X.
Francis Dearnley (Assistant Comment Editor). @FrancisDearnley on X
Joe Barnes (Brussels Correspondent). @Barnes_Joe on X.
Articles/Episodes Referenced:
Francis's Interview with Congresswoman Spartz
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Grant Shapps: 'Britain has always been a prime mover in Nato' (in The Telegraph)
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024...
Battle Lines Podcast:
www.telegraph.co.uk/battle-li...
Subscribe to The Telegraph: telegraph.co.uk/ukrainethelatest
Email: ukrainepod@telegraph.co.uk
All confrontation goes away when Puti orders his troops to go home to their families and out of Ukraine. Its that simple. Russia miraculously then is under no threat whatsoever. There is not a single country that has a wish to invade Russia.
putin can’t do it. It will be his downfall. Even their propaganda can only work miracles up to a certain point.
Don't be naive the whole thing is about the destruction of the Russian Federation so Russia can be broken up into small parts where they can be easily manipulated. Exactly what Nato did to Yugoslavia. As US secretary of state Madeleine Albrght said "it's not right that one country has all those resources"
But by other means yes
@chrisviking7807 That's why they drove NATO up to Russia's doorstep right? The United States and UK went halfway around the world to wreck Iraq with less justification than Putin had, then killed a million Iraqis. If China built a string of military bases on Mexican territory, even with the invitation of Mexico, the US would not sit by an allow that to happen.
@chrisviking7807Why does the US have a propaganda media ourlet in the Tatar language?
So frustrating. Such a sad situation for Ukraine. Where is our moral compass?
Somewhere stuck in Gaza.
@@richardmarsden5610 whaboutism.
@@toughr1506buzzword argument
Putin has played his "escalation " card which Orban so dutifully parrots. He should be expelled or suspended from these international organisations as Hungary is nothing more than Russia's tool for driving a wedge between countries who would unite to uphold the foundational values of those organisations.
It was interesting to note that there was a large demonstration in Hungary recently against Orban while in Turkiye Erdogan's party lost in many local elections.
This is an existential battle and the threat of escalation is redundant.
Orban is also a Russian spy within NATO.
Their voting rights should be suspended until they show solidarity.
Putin has always said that he's fighting NATO so what's the difference.
@johnadey3696 nato will arrive in full force if putler wants - his speeches will eventually become so confused daily Moscow TV declares Russia is at war with USA Europe and NATO...all these attacked Russia? new mobilization "defense of the fatherland" against Ukraine- how is this possible a war against the whole world-Putler declares with clockwork muscles war is my only priority as president!! the democratic free world of the west must be destroyed these heretical people are a threat to russia?
It is sad that it should have been obvious from the start that this was an existential war where either Ukrainian State or the russian regime will be gone by the end of it. I am still deeply saddened by the lack of commitment of Western governments. The latest British Governments budget, which showed contempt towards treating the threat we all face seriously, with it's 'wait until the economy allows' excuse before increasing Defense spending.
The NHS is falling apart. Brits aren't tossing and turning at night worried about Putin crossing the Dnieper, they're worried about their tuition payments, food, rent and healthcare. Those are real existential emergencies for increasing numbers of people in the West, not another failed geostrategic blunder, just add it to the long list of military interventionist disasters dating back to Korea and get ready for their next debacle, it's looking like Taiwan.
NATO CAUSED this extended war. In April 2022 U and R had nearly completed a mutual settlement of this REGIONAL conflict, Then NATO (Boris) intruded and told puppet Pres Z to walk away from the settlement (2 more meetings to go), and the war was on.
Ironically, part of the aborted settlement was Russia's agreeing to return ALL Russian forces back to Russia in exchange for certain assurances by the Ukraine (neo-Natiz) gov.
Everything would have been settled in about two months.
USA and Britain have an irrational hatred for all things Russian.
Why did the EU refuse membership to Russia when Russia was interested in joining the EU for better commerce???
Why did NATO (USA+) NOT honor the 2014 Minsk Cease Fire Accord?
Russia can never again trust the lying West.
Why has the West drip fed help, constantly 6-12 months behind the game. They tell Putin what they intend to send giving him time to plan a counter. Look at the F-16 debacle, what if Ukraine had had them for the 2023 counter offensive ...?
“The best deterrent to aggression is the certainty that immediate and effective countermeasures will be taken against those who violate the peace…”
“If the free nations do not stand together, they will fall one by one.”
Dean Acheson, Secretary of State, 1949 proposed text of NATO treaty.
These double taps are utterly disgusting!
- yes, utterly despicable and disgusting... but, then again, so was shelling the Donbass for 9 years ?
@@sebastianforbes1Your putin propaganda is a war crime under international law established at the end of WWII
@chrisviking7807 ah, yes, the infamous "air conditioner has blown up" Ukrainian defense of the shelling of their own civilians.
@dimas3829 Putin’s plan all along was to invade and take Ukrainan soil.
. His insurgents placed into The Donbas area and his private army The Wagner Warriers (that a reference to Hitler’s favourite composer) formed by Putin in 2014 in the Donbass specifically to stir up trouble for the Ukrainan administration with the aim to prepare for his nvasion,
As a Russian at home in Ukraine said. “If Putin is liberating me why is he bombing us? He is liberating me from my home, my business and my family and loved ones.”
Added to that. Those living in occupied areas do NOT feel liberated. They have stollen Ukrainian’s homes and are advertising them “buy now before the prices rise later” to Russians to replace the Ukrainan families they banished to Eastern Russia with russuan as occupiers.
Mike Johnson is proof there is no god.
Why for saving Life's .... pathetic 🐑
If there is, he's entirely too patient.
God's got nothing to do with it. It's about putting Americans first instead of funneling treasure into another European border war. Europeans have been having border wars since the Romans left...very tribal
There is... World doesn't need those animalistic B@nd3ra n@tionalists, who like to walk with torches so much. Russians are also not much better either.
Not his fuckin God anyway
Orban looks increasingly like a nuisance at a party who is bound to be ejected but nobody can say when.
- yeap, that's exactly how democracy is supposed to work ?
Always a smart idea to make an emeny out of a neighbor during a war.... Sure that'll work out great for the EU, lol
@@mfallen6894 Orban is behaving like an enemy and is taking more out of the EU than he is putting in. Bad marriages are best ended.
@@mfallen6894it's only hungary. It's a financial burden to the rest of us, and of no military relevence
Well said, Francis!!!
Great episode. Thanks.
Mmmm, anniversary cake and gin drinks. That's sure to keep us all safe. I am sure that's just the tip of the iceberg of higly efficient and essential defense spending.
Excellent program, of course! Thanks, from Texas.
Not true, here in the U.S., the Republican party is doing all it can to play midwife to the Soviet Union 2.0
biden is midwife to illegal immigration.
No worries, Europe is on plan b 😂
How could that woman vote against Ukraine what a ....
No, they're trying to fix Biden's human smuggling and fent ring.
It's weird. I guess the distance makes Americans feel safe.
Please pass the bill Congress Ukraine needs help
The frustration in Francis is showing. Not coping well.
Everyone can see the BS coming out of the Republicans
His own fault for being so deluded
@@realitycheck1883sit down douche
We always knew he was a lier
@@LynRegan *liar
Fug head
The detailed account of the exquisite foods served at the NATO banquet is important. It serves to reassure the public that should they be conscripted to fight in Ukraine, their political & military elites will not go hungry.
With all the super intelligent people in the world it's pity they don't know right from wrong.
Poootin is wrong. Simple as that.
Great report
Time NATO sent in their troops.
Exactly. We did it in Korea, where we directly fought Chinese troops without Armageddon, so doing so against Russia is not going to lead to the end of the world either.
The one country in Europe that could pay for Ukraine's victory is Norway.I would of thought it was in there interest
- in their interest, your interest, or your imagination ?
Basically I believe we are just «warming up» our support
@@bjrnottesen5052 sure, for two years. No man left in Ukraine wanting to fight. Most capable fighters are either cripples, captured or dead
Joe Barnes from Brussels excellent. Listening from Italy.
The reason why governments are going further right in Europe is a rejection ion of the bureaucratic E.U. The opposition in terms of immigration and net zero are becoming the lightning rods between liberal and left leaning parties vs populist and conservative parties. I see the waning of support for aid to Ukraine by the populist right in Europe as political messaging for the upcoming elections
Populist right have something common with Russia's tactics: they're opportunists and will use any issue to grab more power and lure all the voters they can. Infowar of values are strongly supported by Kremlin's propaganda network also. It's working overtime to favour all parties sceptical of support to Ukraine. Togeather they try to split western societies while meanings of "right" and "left" are diluted and start to meet at extreme ends. If we want to keep any meaning of political scale, we need a new centre to bridge the widening gap. Also (szcizo)fascist propaganda, in large part sponsored and incentified by the Autocratic Axis (including the "left" one) have to be seriously exposed and curbed, before democratic principles are jeopardised by this infowar beyond repair.
Stupid people. Migration is necessary to deal with the demograpgic crisis. We should be grateful to the young people from far away who come to work in our societies.
Your podcast has become my main means of keeping up to date with the war, fantastic work as always and hello from New Zealand.
Good on ya, kiwi brother.
🇺🇦 🤝 🇳🇿
Thanks
Why not a $1 trillion aid package for Ukraine? Whatever it takes, right?
A trillion would be easy to raise.
It could be 100 trillion it wouldn't effect anything.
NATO has been almost demilitarised. They can't even produce enough shells. They have been running around the globe trying to source whatever they can find and it's not enough.
Money won't produce manpower either.
This war is lost the sooner that's accepted the better for everyone.
We have to have hope and press our governments to do more. Otherwise Russia wins.
Why dont these guys report the developements from the battlefield?
Thanks guys. Apparently India is no longer buying oil from Russia.
Please Europe be smarter than us!😢
Not only the Russians should be blamed for this... Also the Americans for their lack of support!
And the nato expansion
- why play the blame game ?
@@dessmith7658 maybe Europe should invade russia, afterall, russia expanded with their collective security pact
Because most Americans that are actually awake and aware of the news knows this is bullshit
The Americans are not doing the invading and committing the atrocities.
The enemies fund wherever it suits their means and ends.
Continuing the offensive from Artemovsk, the advanced units of the Russian paratroopers broke through the enemy's line of defense in Chasov Yar and approached the outskirts of the city.That's what military analysts say. The super fortress Chasov Yar is on the verge of destruction.
No Nato in the Pacific
Huh!? But, according to Putin himself, wasn't Moscow already in direct confrontation with NATO on Ukrainian territory?
He knows nato is not there because he's troops are still alive
NATO does not recognize this. Afraid
He changes his narrative as he wishes and his subordinates stopped thinking independently long ago
NATO did not want to admit it.
Who needs facts? They got that ex-pat Ukrainian to vote against helping Ukraine. What an unbelievable witch... (with a "b")
Rickey's are the official native cocktail of D.C..... Different than a gin fizz since it's lacking sugar. Both recipes are about 150 years old.
Pray.
Pray for mercy.
This is so scary!!!
Where is Dom Nicholls? He is gone from the Telegraph? Alex from Florida USA.
Should have thought about it before like 2012... the path was set and the journey unknown
DUH! That's why NATO was established to begin with.
Where is this "podcast apse"? Is it near the podcast nave or podcast chancel?
Slava ukraini
Have another booster, idiot.
Героям слава🔱
Ukraine supporters have to stop taking like n#zi's
I would also add that a win for Russia, would not just undermine the credibility of defense promises of European powers and NATO visavi allies, it would also massively demoralize Europe itself. This is also a part of larger worldwide push where autocratic systems are challenging the concept of liberal democracy and rule-bound-societies, as the viable way of the future similar that went on in the 1930:s.
It is worth remembering that fascism as an idea was very attractive for a lot of people for a long time, while democracy seemed... weak, slow, soft, ineffective, unsexy, unattractive. Fascism lost not because of the weakness of its propaganda - it was not - but because the fascists lost on the military battlefield.
We need to increase the support, not talk about it, by God. Reintroduce war-bonds and let the public throw in, most want to but have no idea where to donate.
Donate directly to Ukraine through the United 24 initiative, set up by the Ukrainian government. It is through this fund that Ukraines drone program came to be. It is the only thing keeping Ukraine in the fight right now until Western "Partners" get their act together.
How weird. I talked with a UKIP politician on the isle of Kos in the Mediterranean before Brexit. We had a nice chat like if we were in the time of Plato and Aristoteles. I talked to left and right in my own country Belgium. I understand both sides. I met a Russian family on a terrasse in Cyprus. Sorry to say but here I remarked a difference in culture, in respect. They left the terrasse without saying goodbye as if they had no respect at all. No wonder after Cechnya and now also proved in Ukraine. Some people simply don’t have a basic education, we may agree to disagree, but there is a difference with being plainfully barbaric aggressive. Sometimes it’s good to lean backwards and study how people behave.
Wasn't this the reason for NATO/OTAN's creation-- to confront Moscow, and to bring the Russian State to heel in the inevitable eventuality of Russian Imperialism?
Looks Cameron is waiving the piece of paper. Shame on UK
Lucky Russia is running out of weapons.
It all depends on how much russia is willing to sell its sole to China, North Korea and Iran.
@craighughes2191 all the countries in the West sold their sole to the American empire along time ago....
@@craighughes2191 it's ok those western countries already sold their sole to the American empire.
Sarcasm I hope.
@@craighughes2191i doubt they have a soul.
I said at the very beginning. DONT TRUST MY GOVERNMENT! Freddy Chavre of Maple Valley
Ukraine need the f16s first and foremost, this will allow them to stop the advance of Russia taking more territory enough talk it is becoming ridiculous Ukraine is still waiting after 2 years and all we see is more lip service not concrete efforts to supply what we all know they need.
If this was Truth…. There would be a Giant Hole where Moscow once was
Hungary should withdraw from NATO, if Putin allows them to give up his veto power.
Cameron just running in direction
How the hell did we end up with Cameron :( and god help us we may soon have David Lamey 😢
No Nato in the Pacific.
⭐️Puck Footin⭐️
What is and how much is the UK comtributing to Ukraine?
They give a lot of verbal support.
It's less under Sunak and Schnapps, two people not known for their morality.
Russia said it already in 2022 and even before...
Cameron is Cameron !
Binneas is Boreraig!
34:16 "if Finland, Sweden, the Baltics states, Poland had been listened to earlier...".
Why mention Finland and Sweden here? They were not very vocal about the Russian threat before the 2022 war.
Yeah kinda guessed it in 2014. Should have been vocal.
The Finns walking a thin line together with business oportunities
As I said immediately after Moscow Mitch voted against the Republican border bill, the only one way to get Ukraine aid is via discharge petition. Granted, back then there were more GOP reps so...?
Take negative Russian Joe off the podcast if he cant find something positive to say. Slava Ukraine shedding their blood for our freedom.
Take a look at even US media. The yanks like winners they know they have backed the wrong horse and are taking their leave.
What's to be 'positive' about? Ukraine are getting destroyed and it's not going to turn around.
Hello! In light of the general retrenchment of the U.S., wouldn't it be ironic If NATO fails due to U.S. choosing to leave, when it is needed? Note: Due to failure of U.S. Politicians debt in the U.S. now exceeds GDP. Regards
NATO Secretary General allowed Kiev to be defeated during the development of the conflict in Ukraine
Stoltenberg acknowledged the possibility that NATO will not be able to supply Ukraine with the necessary amounts of weapons to confront Russia. So the West can't beat 2 percent of global GDP?🤔
Just a reminder US defence yearly budget is $842 billion. So 100 billion to fight Russia how big is it?
It's 842 trillions
@@Michael57825 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States
Blackmail & Bribery are delicate negotiating tools. Although they may be successful in helping to pass the Ukrainian aid package in Congress, it is a slow process.
What far right? lol
Maybe I am bad at reading Putins words, but it sounds like he has made a soft decleration of war against NATO.
He did that 2 years ago. But nobody wanted to hear it.
where is dom
He’s lucky NATO ain’t rolling into Ukraine loaded for bear 😅
- apparently, nobody in NATO is volunteering, so what's to be afraid of ?
NATO is a walking skeleton of its former self. Fragmented. Scattered resources. Inventory that is outdated. A barking puppy. Russia already developed counters to everything in NATO's inventory.
Russia has been preparing to defend against NATO's attack on the Russian motherland. NATO just has not yet found the right "justification" for attacking Russia.
People who think Russia is weak are still living back in the 1990s.
Magical F16s? Russia has several missiles designed to take down the aging F16. No surprises there.
@@sebastianforbes1you will find out.
What a disappointment Cameron is…again. Giving DC the honorific “Lord” is a slap in the face to anyone who in touch w/reality and cares about this conflict. But men who spend their days sitting around silver plattered Brussels dinners indulging in witty banter and overly subtle diplomacy when the time for subtly is long past are predictably disconnected. Meanwhile, Shoigu’s call is a bald diversion tactic.
Let's just face it folks , republicans are never going to vote Ukraine aid thru full stop the,the only possibility if aid g
These MAGA lunatics can only be on the Kremlin payroll, and Johnson rakes in $220,000pa +. And they worry about US tax dollars.
- yeap, the game is up
@sebastianforbes1 hell no it is not over. The West is waking up and "rediscovering its self of purpose." Thanks to Pweutin...
How dare NATO invade Ukraine!
Great discussion as always; I listen and post on my Facebook page every day. I am a 76 year old American civil engineer living in Kherson, Ukraine throughout the war and I have been following developments very closely in Ukraine, Europe and America. I am 100% convinced that the US will come through with full support for Ukraine including military personnel on the ground and sooner rather than later but not until after the election. If I did not think that, I would not be here. Politics must play out and it is frustrating but that is always the case in America at every level of government. So, we all have to do the best we can until Biden and the Democrats win in November. In Kherson we understand that we need robust defensive fortifications in depth because there may be a second battle for the city this year. And to plan and lay the civil engineering groundwork for a mechanized river crossing later when feasible. Anyway, great discussion and keep up the good work.
Who cares about grant shapps
В Сенате США заявили, что начиная с 2014 года, американцы потратили на Украину ( поддержку ее обороноспособности) 300 ( триста) миллиардов долларов. Учитывая то, что деньги давали не только американцы можно предположить, что сумма переданная на ВСУ, может достигать полутриллиона долларов.
Судя по всему, мы видим крупнейшую финансовую аферу в истории. Украинцы умудрились продать «акулам капитализма» идею о том, что они, а) Могут сдержать Россию, б) Могут победить Россию, в) Могут выбить Россию из числа сверхдержав и превратить Россию в геополитического карлика, типа Германии. Снимаю шляпу пред подобным талантом, развести на такие деньги реально серьёзных людей, могут не только лишь все, да вообще никто не может. А украинцы смогли.....
Russian spy, masquerading as Repuplican Congressperson, plays the 'it not clear where the money will go' card.
- Ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries in the world... of course it's not clear where the money will go !
Boris Johnson waving “play on” during peace talks and encouraging a war with Russia was a moment to prevent the war, no point blaming others, boris wanted to discover who had the best 1980’s unmodified military equipment and the rest was a disaster ✌️❤️🇬🇧
Lol. Try as it might, Russia cannot offload its war guilt onto someone else.
Western hesitation also responsible
I am sorry, but Brexiteers also talked about the EU as a waning power and all that. Exactly the same lines russia uses against NATO have been used around the refendum and after by prominent Brexters. And the Telegraph played a big role in propagating this stuff. Caugh Alister Heath caugh.
Yep, everything that isn't in lock-step with leftist policy is all a Russian OP, lol. FFS... Think for yourself
Dial back on the 'far-right' stuff. Anyone using that term is advertising their political bias.
If it all ends badly and nuclear war starts, remember its
NATO 's fault for continuously poking the Russian bear.
There's an old saying:
Keep your friends close, your enemies closer, if NATO had have adhered to this motto there wouldn't be any problem, just a resolution for peace and understanding between rival nations.
when was the last time Ukraine pushed back on the frontline and, are we blaming the hard right now instead of Putin ?
The lack of self-awareness on this show is amazing.
Explain.
@stephenhill545 This show is 100% Ukrainian war propaganda.
😂😂 It's ☝️ very funny fake news 😂
SALIVA URINE 4 UKRANIA😂😂😂
Is this the bumhole report?
MAGA PUTIN interchangeable
It's Derby County's 07/08 season.
How much humiliation will it take?
Lmao that stew has been made in America for over 150 years but Europe says it’s Irish so no go. How about Europe helps Ukraine instead of blaming America for everything. My god
Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: "Do not march on Moscow". Various people have tried it, Napoleon and Hitler, and it is no good. That is the first rule. -
Field Marshall Montgomery in the House of Lords 30 May 1962
Napoleon nearly got there and Russia had to throw everything they had at Germany because the situation was dire. As well they were each just one country not united nations with far superior weaponry.
Of course Russia may also get support from allies that is why Russia should have met a Brick wall of United defence at the very start.
This unsubstantiated fear of Russia is a mere mirage. The internal divisions within Russia will not make it easy for them to wage a wat against NATO. Russia isn't as strong as it wants the west to believe.
@@marisabenson1222 Napoleon gathered whole Europe under his belt before marching on Russia, except for UK and Austria-Hungary. Hittler gathered whole Europe under his belt before marching on Russia, except for UK too.
Internal divisions made Russia crush Pringles' rebellion in matter of days. It's not divided at all now.
good thing no one is doing that then
Nobody is marching on Moscow and noone intends to. It's Moscow who wants to invade other countries.
The mongols succeeded. It appears to be a logistical problem. While Russia has been invaded over the centuries, so has almost every country, and it has done much more than its fair share of invading and conquering neighbors.
Time to get the USA out of nato , and the European countries start growing some 👍🙏🇬🇧
I think that's more or less Macron's idea.
Stupid idee
If US withdraws then what ?
Germany rearms ….
Egad !
A nuclear armed Germany is not a great idea
But that could happen if fools are allowed to triumph
The US is more powerful than the rest of NATO put together. The US withdrawal from NATO is exactly what Putin wants!
I thought the Brits were fundamentally opposed to the idea of a European army and thus voted for Brexit!!!???
Tired of hearing about Ukraine. Tired of blowing USA taxpayer money like water.
This is a very narrow-minded stance. Ukraine's survival means defending freedom and democracy.
@@user-im3ln3lr1l😂😂😂😂😂
My reaction falls between disturbed and horrified. A weak constitution by "leaders" can't even be justified by self interest in their country since military spending at some point translates to domestic job. Those jobs help bolster struggling economies. Therefore it just looks like Russian influence. I see that here in the USA, and I don't understand why it's not clear to others.
I'm David Knowles and this is pure propaganda from Mi6, straight to the space where your brain used to be.
We are not sacrificing the Ukrainian people, for the whims of a dictators favors and peace.
Well said! If only our leaders could feel our fustration with their procrastination.
The Ukranian people are no more, thanks to your 'help'.
Ukraine is losing. Stop the war.
Talk to putler. He can stop the war tomorrow.
Shhh don't wake up The sheep
never
@@231rosslyn Nope not until NATO is a treat to National security.....imagine Russian rockets and Military bases in Cuba or Mexico
@@JohnCSmith-lp1qrwhat a great idea it was to mske uour biggest investors yoyr enemy. How many car factories has China built in Russia? Answer, none.
In my humble opinion if we make peace no more will die. Just agree to be a neutral country and disband NATO. Then with the money we save spend it on civillian projects. Move industry from arms into shared sustainable development. Cooperate with BRICS++. please no more bloodshed
Imagine thinking funding an endless conflict like this is a good idea, Peace deal now
Perpetuating putins talking points
Imagine thinking that the answer to aggression is capitulation and that that will bring peace.
@@marisabenson1222 that aggression was crafted by 5 NATO expansions. Wake up Johnny
@@SoyuzFPV no it wasnt, the NATO expansion is a boloney reason and even russia knows it
@@canadaclub8920 sure.... read about Caribbean Crisis