So your finally going to get rid of the conveyor belt scraper that’s making love to the back tyre. Mustad bikes in Tasmania Australia do a really neat tail tidy.I looked around and there’s was the most compact,less protruding tail tidy I could find.Highly recommend. Your bike is going to look beast mode👍
It's certainly one of the better ones out there. Hats off to Honda for avoiding the whole exhaust valve system too. Makes changing it over far easier and one less thing to go wrong in the future!
Nice change, Andy. Looks good and sounds good, which is the icing on the 3+ kg weight savings that is the cake! Hope you are healing well and able to ride again soon.
Thanks Stephen. Good to know that the details are worth it! Thankfully on this occasion, I was in the garage at JUST the right time! No lighting needed! Normally it's darker than Sauron's play room in there!
Ah I see. Tks for reply. To be honest I'm 50 and the last 10 years I've been increasingly going nuts about vibes wind noise (the polite type) and exhaust noise. I've become as right old fart I have. 😂
So many wheels are still made from the inspiration of the TSW Venoms from the 90's, nice set on you motorcycle Mr CamMan, the new exhaust helps show the rear off some more too, looks and sounds great 👍
It's a bit of a shame really that in the interests of 'progress' manufacturers 'update' their perfectly good bikes with nothing changes. Still, it means that those with the TSW style wheel are limited edition now! 😊
@@AndyManCam If only. I once considered buying an MT09 (the first version). I said that I would want the manufacturer option for an Akropovic exhaust and they bumped the price up by over £1,000. They did say, as some weird consolation, that I would get to keep the original exhaust too. No end can at all would be great, though the ride home could be a tad noisy.
I remember ages ago when I was considering buying an MT-07. My heart had decided that if it was happening, so was the Akra. But my head was struggling to make sense of a 1000€ upgrade on a 7000€ bike! 🤣 Wouldn't that be awesome though, like driving an un-MOT'd vehicle to the test station is allowed, if we could ride a non-canned bike home from the dealership! Every new bike purchase would start with a bang!
Schön!! :) Pipe looks and sound great, and now you can see the lovely wheel far better - win win win ! :) Once again, amazing production values, leaving the rest of the pack far behind... :) Looking forward to seeing you back out there for some Spring Wanderings (Spring Surprises, Spring Sightseeings? :D )
Never miss an opportunity to smash your box..Cracking video with another great production 👌🎥 A little deeper never hurt anyone Mr 🏍...From one man keeping it shiny to another...Stay safe!
I'm not sure what to make of it. The weight save is of course really nice. In a way it is nice that you get to see more of the rear of the bike but because the big bit of the exhaust that show under the bike, the Arrow just seems too small to me. It seems like it should have either the size exhaust it has stock or just a tiny underbelly thing sticking out like we see on a few new bikes now. Anyway, i was happy to hear that you plan on doing another wrap job. That was the first video of yours i ever saw and it was a fun one to watch. I love your humor.
I know what you mean. That CAT box is sadly a necessary evil that would be much better left on the garage shelf! I considered the double Arrow can, but of course it was double the price and double the weight so I opted for seeing as much of the beautiful rear wheel as possible. Maybe I'll black the silencer box so that it doesn't stick out so much!! The wrap is actually happening today, so hopefully might be some Insta photos by tomorrow!
@@AndyManCam Blackening the box will make the Arrow look more like it belongs but i actually saw a video with another can that looks more like it always belonged on the bike. It was the SC Project S1-GP and it's color is much closer to the rest of the exhaust system and because it's fatter it just looks more like an extension of the big box. Looking forward to the wrap. It's not often you see non professionals try to tackle this more than once.
@@AndyManCam is that pipe all legal in Germany with the tuv and everything? I noticed that likeable still has his austin racing pipe on even though it was to high on the dB meter
Yeah, all homologated and legal. It’s got the E-number and everything. Turns out TLR‘s decibel meter was reading way too high. When he checked his stock can, it was also telling him that it was too loud! So that’s why he’s kept it on.
I'm curious if you'll notice any additional vibration with the new can. The reduction in mass is good but I've noticed on at least one bike in the past that the loss in mass also resulting in a loss in vibration damping. As always, good video! Heal quickly!
I did actually notice a slight increase with the Mivv Mk3 can that I had last year. A Boosterplug has helped a tiny bit, but also fitting smaller crash bars and torquing the engine mounts correctly helped a bit too. I think the vibration is mainly caused by the fuelling in the midrange, rather than the pipe itself. Obviously the shorter, less resistant can just exacerbates this slightly lean fuelling condition. I reckon something like the RapidBike Evo would likely sort that out. Sadly they're very expensive and not entirely road legal!
My oem exhaust was falling apart so I replaced with gpr trioval and it is now quieter than my oem even decated and now have an in pipe cat. I lost 7 kgs for my bike and what a difference. But now have to get new tires as my dunlop rs3 (10000km) are almost done so next expense. Anyway keep it safe.
Haha! How bizarre! Oddly enough, I rode to the shops in town and I felt like this Arrow was actually quieter too! We'll see once it beds in a bit. But hey, louder isn't always better. Especially if you've saved a bunch of weight AND it looks better!
Thanks for posting. Bike looks better with the new can. Good choice. The emissions box under the bike is huge (Euro5 compliance I guess). You could bury somebody in it. Wished they had a better solution for emissions.
@@AndyManCamLoud pipes save lives,there’s not much noticeable with baffle out.I carry the baffle in the storage compartment in case I get pulled over for inspection.I’ll just say the screw came loose holding baffle in and I’m on my way to get a new screw to refit baffle.
Cheers mate! Hopefully the noise in the wilderness will also be satisfying! Much beard growing been going on during lockdown! Sadly it doesn't work on the top of the head anymore though!! 🤣
Nice exhausts those. I bought one for my 790 Duke but I splashed out on the titanium one. 0.8kg it weighs and the stocker was 5kg. It does release a nice rasp on the 790 too when you crack the throttle on the road. You might notice that when you get out on it. I've yet to try it with the baffle removed 🙉 Looking forward to seeing how the wrap comes out 👍
I did consider the titanium one. But the extra 100 odd €€ for a 600g saving wasn't enough to convince me. I'm looking forward to seeing if I've got the same rasp on the open road!
Something I'm sure we'll find out next time I get to the track. Although maybe I should throw out an extra video, with the dB killer out and also with NO can at all! Can't believe I forgot to do that!
That is actually on my list. As soon as the overpriced stock filter that was replaced at last service is used up, I‘ll be getting something a bit more breathey!
Nice intro and looking forward to this series 👍 Looking at changing the indicator's on my bike so will be interested in the brand/model you go for and the inevitable faff involved in fitting them! 🤣 Keep up the good work Sir
Thanks David! The indicator vid is going to be a bit involved, but I'm very excited about the results! I just hope reality matches up to my imagination!
Nice video, thank you. One query, should the new Arrow bracket not go behind the mounting point? That’s the way the old one came off, in the vid! Get well soon and back out there. Keep the excellent content going!!
Cheers Stewart. No it's definitely meant to go on the outside. unlike many cans, the bracket on the Arrow is welded on and there's no loose link pipe. So there really is only one way it can go on. Otherwise the bracket would be rotated and not sit flush against the mounting point.
As a fellow CB1000R owner I am looking forward to the SLC and Legend panniers review.. I like the arrow, but I think a panigale style under slung exhaust would really show off the single sided swingarm. I am holding out for a complete system to become available..
Hopefully I'll have cause to give the Legend Gear stuff a fair bit of screen time before any proper review. i want all reviews to be real live and thorough from here on out. But that means you should be able to see them in use! First impressions are really good. They look awesome and the heavy canvas material is really satisfying to see, touch and use! I wanted to try them out ages ago, as they're the best style fit for the bike (IMO), so really glad that SW-Motech are on board with that now 🥰 Arrow have a full system, but it's far too illegal for me over here in Germania! Also The Official Mr Fish did a vid on the Black Widow full system a while back. Before he sold his CB.
Cheers. Unfortunately I'm going to leave that massive ugly box where it is! Without it, the bike wouldn't be road legal and I'd get a lot of unwanted attention from the police.
Just bought myself a zoom recorder , any advice on settings for recording audio on the bike Andy , and the bike looks so much better with the arrow 👌😊👍🏼
I always have the lo cut switched on, auto level control off, WAV format and the recording level at about 50-60. I still sadly haven't found the best position for getting a great sound yet though. More testing needed! I always have to boost the volume afterwards (preferably with a compressor) but it's better than the yo-yoing volume with the Auto level. Ultimately, every setup is a bit different, so you have to experiment a bit to get it perfect. Good luck!
Hands down better looking....😉🙄 Sounds sweet but YOU will know and hopefully we will too when you're able to properly test ride!!!🤷🏻♂️ Looking forward to more my friend 👊
I'm planning to Install a set of similar Twin Arrow Pro Race Nichrom Dark on my newly acquired KTM 890 Duke R as I have Twin Leo Vince LV10 on my 790 Duke and wanna try something a bit different - GREAT Video as always.
Thanks DoT! I really liked the look of the dual version. Very slick. I was a bit underwhelmed by the quality of the welding on all of the pictures and videos that I saw though. Looks a bit scrappy. It's certainly not at SC Project levels of weld porn anyway! Maybe I'm being too critical?! Decided that at half the price, half the weight and more of the minimalism I'd stick with the single! The Duke will look badass with those twin trumpets though!
@@AndyManCam I was blown away by the quality of the Leo Vince's - But they kinda look like a pair of jam cans on my 790, my brother has factory arrows on his Speed Triple RS so I thought the 890R deserved a better set up ;-)
Yes, looks much better. It will be interesting to find out if the vibration returns without a stock end can. Are those tank protectors on the bike? Looks wrinkled or is that just a trick of the light? I look forward to the vinyl tank wrap video. Scary! 😬
I hope not. The Boosterplug is helping a little bit, but also it's possible that the longer engine bars were actually channeling vibrations to the rear from the front. I need a lot more testing to really be able to back that up though! At the very least I'm hoping that the almost double cost of the Arrow over the Mivv has some developmental grounding!
Hi Andy, your bike looks good . Would you think it might look better with out the air box under neth and replace with a pipe. I did that I on my triumph street tripel rs 2018 and it looks really great and makes the bike lighter and stop s all the grud from resting on top were it is hard to get at
Cheers Paul. I totally think it would mate. Sadly that's just not an option here in Germany. Without the Cat, the bike would 100% fail emissions test and also the homologation status would be invalidated, meaning no insurance and no longer road legal. They take that stuff very seriously here.
@andymancam I noticed you've taken the crash bars off. Any reason, or just for styling's sake? I'm about to fit them on mine on the weekend. P.S Vinyl wrap is a pain! I opted to Plastidip those aluminium covers instead. Good luck though, I think you're a bit more handy than me :D :D :D
Cheers Kev. Luckily the ears work well enough that I can hear the bike, so that's a double win! It's just an issue of comfort now before I can squeeze into the helmet!
That would have been a great add on for the FZ1, but the CB100R already has most of the features that the Healtech unit has. Having two traction controll systems fighting against each other probably wouldn't be a very efficient setup!
Very good Jim! I really like them. I wouldn't have any problem getting them again. They've been fantastic in the wet (just check out the Northernmost point in germany vid, in the rain) and also at about 25 degrees in the dry they were super sticky. Plus after about 4000 miles, they still look like they've barely started to wear.
You’re spot on Dave. The Boosterplug has softened the vibes a tiny bit, but it’s also possible that either the whole thing was in my head, or the larger crash bars were connecting the front and rear engine mounts and making it worse. More Testing needed.
Even though the original one looks great in my opinion I think that Arrow really suits this colouring, I'm curious if it doesn't anything to the throttle response, on my old CB1000R it was very noticeable with an after market can.
Cheers Phil. Yeah, I could have happily stayed with the stock and never felt that it was ugly enough to ruin the bike. So far throttle response seems good, though I've only ridden to the shops in town!
Hi Andy just a quick unless it’s already been asked does this slip on pipe have the removable baffle? If it does are you able to do a sound test. Many thanks mark
Hi ATL. It does have a removable baffle and I’m embarrassed that i didn’t think to test with it out! I’m planning to remedy the situation as soon as it’s convenient!
I think it basically comes down to budget and style. Sound wise, there really isn'T going to be any huge difference. The central box does so much silencing that I've had bikes louder than this one is with NO end can installed!
Hi and I’ve bit the bullet and gone for the arrow pro race in titanium at a bargain price (£277) the akra was double that and like you say a lot of the silencing is in the cat. Many thanks for you reply cheers mark
Hi Andy, the can is a vast visual improvement ! Does it have a removable baffle? I know you guys have to stay on the right side of the German noise police :-) Feel free to not answer this next question: What took yourself (and if you know) Thelikablerider to Germany to live ? (I'm only interested as my Mum is Austrian and came over to Blighty donkeys years ago and I'm always intrigued by such moves) Keep up the brilliant vids !!
I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't look very closely! Removing the baffle is such a non-option over here, that it doesn't really feature for me! But I'm pretty sure it is removable. I might make an update video with some more sound samples once I'm back out on the road. For me the move to germany was my German wife.
I may be in the minority but I kind of liked the look of the original exhaust. The new looks good to as well I'm curious about something. I assume that the bike was designed with weight balancing the part's. Do you notice any difference in the balance, does it tend to lean more now to the left side due to the lighter exhaust?
Each to their own mate! You’re allowed to think so. TBH i think its one of the least offensive stock pipes out there in my opinion. I wouldn’t be overly sad if I’d stayed with it. I haven’t noticed any huge imbalance problems.
If I owned this bike I think that the stock performance would probably be more than enough for me. I haven't ridden in year's so I'd probably crap myself if I had anything more powerful 😂. I know I'd have to retune the engine probably to see any increase in performance. If I was going to put on a louder exhaust it would purely be for safety. The stock exhaust at least in the videos I've seen seems a bit on the quiet side. I can see the benefit of an aftermarket exhaust because of oncoming traffic hearing you coming especially on the twisties. I really enjoy your videos, I found your channel while trying to find info on the the CB1000R Black Edition. That is my dream bike. I love the design of it, it kind of reminds me a little bit of the Yamaha VMax. Another bike I would have liked to have owned
Thanks TB! The can is fully homologated and road legal so shouldn't be any problem at all with the Lärmpolizei. ALso it's really not much louder (if at all) that the stock can. Most of the silencing goes on in the bix before the end can.
Yeah, a few of you have highlighted my mistake! This is with the dB killer IN and I forgot to record the sound with it out 🤦🏻♂️ I might have to head out and record another short video with that and also the bike with no end can at all! My mistake. SUCH an amateur!
A lighter pipe gives power by way of power to weight ratio. Even if the output figure is the same, it's a win. Besides it's beautifully angled with the subframe and as you said, lets you see the rim :) Cheers.
Very true. TBH I've never changed an endcan with the hope of getting more power. It's always looks and weight for me. The titanium version of this can would have netted me almost another kg of weight saving, but at twice the cost it was a step too far!!
@@AndyManCam Totally agree on the power. I myself do it for looks and a nicer sound, weight and power I'm unlikely to notice. The character of the Shiver 750 with Akro's was gorgeous. My now deceased Nuda with a Remus, hilarious! Damn I loved that bike. Sorry Husqvarna :( The Arrows you've hooked up added just the right amount of extra snarl and low-end growl. Sounded very nice :) Cheers!
Nope! There’s no valve system in this bike, so it works without adjustment. I will say that it seemed the Mivv can i tried before caused more vibrations than this Arrow one. But only slightly.
Thanks TtD. It shouldn't no. There's so much silencing and back pressure going on in the main silencer box, that this pipe will make very little difference to the fuelling really.
nice can. How's the ABE situation with that ? Do you need to carry the papers with you for police stops or just when you have the TUV done ? Asking as a foreigner with a bike in Germany too :)
Cheers Ioan! As long as the can is homologated for your bike, and it has the E number stamped or engraved somewhere on the pipe, you should have no trouble. I've never had to show the paperwork to the TÜV or the police, but they do always want to see that number.
Great editing work, really appreciated the effort you put in it. Hope your ears are doing fine :) (*throws shade at certain other channels that shall not be named*)
Absolutely. As long as they are certified for the bike on to which they are fitted and carry the correct E-number stamped or engraved on to the pipe. 👍🏻
@@AndyManCam It seems to be the main criticism of the bike. They upgraded the dash this year, so why Honda didn't upgrade the rear shock at the same time? Imagine what the bike would be like if Honda had of fitted a nice Öhlins monoshock to it. 🙁
@@soulrebelno1 Absolutely! I’d much rather have top notch handling than a flashy dash! I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the old one and i certainly don’t need to connect my phone to my bike!
Hi Andy I just bought a Honda CB1000R Black Edition I won’t be changing my stock exhaust. You’ve help me make that decision spending £252 for a Arrow exhaust for the same sound. Even you struggle to notice the difference. But good video
Sad but true Ray! I’ve actually decided to pass the Arrow on. The stocker isn’t hideous and like you say, same sound! I’ve decided the money can be better used elsewhere! To combat the crazy fuel prices for a start!
Andy, you do a lot of fiddling and upgrades but have you adjusted your suspension to you, when you got the bike? (also: ergonomics) I feel like this is an underrated and underpresented topic and I'd love to see your process. I think it would be useful to a lot of people, because I feel like 90% of riders ride a pogo stick.
I have messed about with the settings a tiny bit. Bit more preload all round and some tweaking of the damping settings. It seems about as good as it can be for the gear that I've got and the tyres are wearing pretty evenly. But I think the real fix is going to be some suspension upgrades. The rear shock needs to be changed completely and I think I need heavier springs at the front too. Maybe this season, we'll have to wait and see.
Damn your Video qualitiy ist getting amazingly good! Recently i bought my Fz1 because of your Videos and i Love it! Only annoying thing is The vibrating handelbar as soon i press the front brake at a Stop..? Weird
Cheers mate! Thought I'd start putting a little more effort in! We'll see if that continues when I can ride again! That is weird with the braking though. Any warping or scoring on your discs? Might be worth checking that the bushings between the outer and inner parts of the discs are free. You can thread a bolt through them, pinch it on and then rotate the bolt with a spanner. The bushings should spin with the bolt. If they're stuck, then the disc won't be floating any more. That is of course assuming that you have floating discs!
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So your finally going to get rid of the conveyor belt scraper that’s making love to the back tyre.
Mustad bikes in Tasmania Australia do a really neat tail tidy.I looked around and there’s was the most compact,less protruding tail tidy I could find.Highly recommend.
Your bike is going to look beast mode👍
Cheers mate. I got rid of it until i got fed up with always being covered in shite from the road. Then i got rid of the bike altogether!!
I'm gonna throw down a LIKE after a manual mouth blow through the can... that's all the review I need. Well done, Andy.
Haha! I knew that getting black rings around my mouth was worth it!! ;P Cheers Brandon!
I tend to put the clamp the other way up to keep the thread clear of the road dirt
I normally tend to do that too! No idea why I didn't do it this time! Red light fever!!
I have to agree that the stock sound is not horrible mate. That was quite the easy installation mate. Sounds pretty awesome now.
It's certainly one of the better ones out there. Hats off to Honda for avoiding the whole exhaust valve system too. Makes changing it over far easier and one less thing to go wrong in the future!
Looks and sounds great, I am enjoying the new background music as well!
Thanks very much Ray!
Impressed by the weight saving. Nice video Andy. Looking forward to your on road videos. Ride safe.
Cheers BR! It's amazing that what appears to be a relatively small can, can still be so heavy!!
Nice change, Andy. Looks good and sounds good, which is the icing on the 3+ kg weight savings that is the cake! Hope you are healing well and able to ride again soon.
Thanks John! Healing is coming along nicely cheers. Not long before we'll have some more riding content, I promise!
Oh, I forgot to add that the extra effort on lighting does make a huge difference to your productions. The light on you in the intro was lovely.
Thanks Stephen. Good to know that the details are worth it! Thankfully on this occasion, I was in the garage at JUST the right time! No lighting needed! Normally it's darker than Sauron's play room in there!
That is one very clean back end. Very worthwhile on that bike.
Nice one.
Happy travels
Thanks TT! If my plans come together, it'll be even cleaner soon!
Massive difference in appearance I love it
Looking good! Really opened up the look of the backend.
Thanks OTR. I totally agree. That is possibly one of the best rear wheels out there, so it NEEDS to be seen!
Nice one, Andy. Looks and sounds sweet. Can't wait to hear it in the wild, so heal up fast ;)
Cheers Adam! I’m taking ALL the vitamins, i promise!!
Ah I see. Tks for reply. To be honest I'm 50 and the last 10 years I've been increasingly going nuts about vibes wind noise (the polite type) and exhaust noise. I've become as right old fart I have. 😂
You’re not alone there! I feel like I’m too old for ‚character‘ now! I want smooth and predictable!! 😂
Love your work as always Andy, and looking forward to seeing your mods! Hope all goes well with your ear.
Thanks mate! All good so far with the ears. SHould be back to fighting strength before the end of the month!
Always love your vlogs
Thanks very much Martin, glad to hear it mate!
So many wheels are still made from the inspiration of the TSW Venoms from the 90's, nice set on you motorcycle Mr CamMan, the new exhaust helps show the rear off some more too, looks and sounds great 👍
Loved the look of venoms, although they were almost always kerbed to hell!
@@adamrobson8318 Yea one of the best wheels from the Max Power era.
Totally agree. It’s an awesome looking wheel. I think they ruined it with the 2021 update when they changed it for something far uglier.
@@AndyManCam Definitely!
It's a bit of a shame really that in the interests of 'progress' manufacturers 'update' their perfectly good bikes with nothing changes. Still, it means that those with the TSW style wheel are limited edition now! 😊
Brilliant pipe change. Well done!
Thanks very much Peter!
Gotta love an Arrow. Looks so much better.
It's definitely a VAST improvement isn't it! I prefer it to the Mivv that was on there before too.
Those massive cans that manufacturers add are only there to be replaced ;-)
Need a de-cat next!
It’s almost like they should give us an option to receive the bike without an end can! Decat would be Great, but legally impossible in Germania. 😢
@@AndyManCam If only. I once considered buying an MT09 (the first version). I said that I would want the manufacturer option for an Akropovic exhaust and they bumped the price up by over £1,000. They did say, as some weird consolation, that I would get to keep the original exhaust too. No end can at all would be great, though the ride home could be a tad noisy.
I remember ages ago when I was considering buying an MT-07. My heart had decided that if it was happening, so was the Akra. But my head was struggling to make sense of a 1000€ upgrade on a 7000€ bike! 🤣 Wouldn't that be awesome though, like driving an un-MOT'd vehicle to the test station is allowed, if we could ride a non-canned bike home from the dealership! Every new bike purchase would start with a bang!
Schön!! :) Pipe looks and sound great, and now you can see the lovely wheel far better - win win win ! :) Once again, amazing production values, leaving the rest of the pack far behind... :) Looking forward to seeing you back out there for some Spring Wanderings (Spring Surprises, Spring Sightseeings? :D )
Kindest of thankage Matt. Thought I'd show the others how it can be done! 😜 Itching to get out, but also more to do on the machine!
Beautifully made video Andy 😁👍🏻 Looking forward to the next instalment.....
Cheers very much Keith. I'm just prepping for the next chapter as we speak!
Never miss an opportunity to smash your box..Cracking video with another great production 👌🎥 A little deeper never hurt anyone Mr 🏍...From one man keeping it shiny to another...Stay safe!
Never! Thanks PTVp!
Looks soooo much better! Hope you’re on the mend Andy 👍🏻
It does, doesn't it! So glad I've finally got it on. This pipe has been sat on the shelf since november! Healing well thanks mate.
Really nice video Andy. great production and I think the can looks awesome. Nice choice.
Cheers Mike! Just hope that I can keep it up for the rest of the series! 😅
@@AndyManCam I have no doubt that you will.
I'm not sure what to make of it. The weight save is of course really nice. In a way it is nice that you get to see more of the rear of the bike but because the big bit of the exhaust that show under the bike, the Arrow just seems too small to me. It seems like it should have either the size exhaust it has stock or just a tiny underbelly thing sticking out like we see on a few new bikes now.
Anyway, i was happy to hear that you plan on doing another wrap job. That was the first video of yours i ever saw and it was a fun one to watch. I love your humor.
I know what you mean. That CAT box is sadly a necessary evil that would be much better left on the garage shelf! I considered the double Arrow can, but of course it was double the price and double the weight so I opted for seeing as much of the beautiful rear wheel as possible. Maybe I'll black the silencer box so that it doesn't stick out so much!! The wrap is actually happening today, so hopefully might be some Insta photos by tomorrow!
@@AndyManCam Blackening the box will make the Arrow look more like it belongs but i actually saw a video with another can that looks more like it always belonged on the bike. It was the SC Project S1-GP and it's color is much closer to the rest of the exhaust system and because it's fatter it just looks more like an extension of the big box.
Looking forward to the wrap. It's not often you see non professionals try to tackle this more than once.
End can looks great on the bike, can't wait to hear it when you finally get back to riding the bike in anger. 👍
Thanks mate, you and me both!
Looks really good mate, bit disappointed that it fitted up really well and you didn't drop the spanners 5 times 😉 great job
Haha! Thanks darren! Sorry to disappoint mate! I'm a 'pro' now, don't you know!! 😂 At least I forgot what the friggin pipe was even called!!
@@AndyManCam is that pipe all legal in Germany with the tuv and everything? I noticed that likeable still has his austin racing pipe on even though it was to high on the dB meter
Yeah, all homologated and legal. It’s got the E-number and everything. Turns out TLR‘s decibel meter was reading way too high. When he checked his stock can, it was also telling him that it was too loud! So that’s why he’s kept it on.
I'm curious if you'll notice any additional vibration with the new can. The reduction in mass is good but I've noticed on at least one bike in the past that the loss in mass also resulting in a loss in vibration damping. As always, good video! Heal quickly!
I did actually notice a slight increase with the Mivv Mk3 can that I had last year. A Boosterplug has helped a tiny bit, but also fitting smaller crash bars and torquing the engine mounts correctly helped a bit too. I think the vibration is mainly caused by the fuelling in the midrange, rather than the pipe itself. Obviously the shorter, less resistant can just exacerbates this slightly lean fuelling condition. I reckon something like the RapidBike Evo would likely sort that out. Sadly they're very expensive and not entirely road legal!
Now that looks and sounds the business, hope you can get out soon
Thanks Simon. I hope so too!!
Stunning transformation, looks incredible! Can’t wait for all the future mod videos! Glad your on the mend Andy! 👂🔝💯👍🏻🆒🎬🎥
Thanks very much! I just wish all the changes could be finished already and I could head out riding! 😂
My oem exhaust was falling apart so I replaced with gpr trioval and it is now quieter than my oem even decated and now have an in pipe cat. I lost 7 kgs for my bike and what a difference. But now have to get new tires as my dunlop rs3 (10000km) are almost done so next expense. Anyway keep it safe.
Haha! How bizarre! Oddly enough, I rode to the shops in town and I felt like this Arrow was actually quieter too! We'll see once it beds in a bit. But hey, louder isn't always better. Especially if you've saved a bunch of weight AND it looks better!
Thanks for posting. Bike looks better with the new can. Good choice. The emissions box under the bike is huge (Euro5 compliance I guess). You could bury somebody in it. Wished they had a better solution for emissions.
My pleasure! Yeah that box is massive, but sadly until somebody makes a full system that still has a Catalytic converter in it, I'm stuck with it!
So impressed just ordered one for my black edition. Cheers
Nice! Enjoy! I still really like it. The noise isn't so different, but the looks and weight saving are top notch.
Now that’s a nice 👍 addition so much better all around than that other creation : )
Cheers Malcolm. I totally agree!
Excellent production again! Weighs less, sounds better, its smaller you can see the single sided swing arm now. Can't lose! Definitely a win! 💪😀
Win, Win, WIN! Just a shame that the dB killer has to stay in! Although TBH I think the bike would sound the same even with the end can off!!
@@AndyManCamLoud pipes save lives,there’s not much noticeable with baffle out.I carry the baffle in the storage compartment in case I get pulled over for inspection.I’ll just say the screw came loose holding baffle in and I’m on my way to get a new screw to refit baffle.
I’ve tried it without the end can altogether, and I’m pretty sure my KTM is louder with! 😂
Looks brilliant, enjoying the content as usual 👍
Thanks very much! Plenty more on the way! Just trying to figure out what to do first!
That can looks sweet as, sounds very very nice too 👍🏻. Looking forward to seeing all of the upgrades.
Thanks! Yeah it’s definitely a bit of an improvement. Mostly just looks better, which is good!!
Looks great, and in the garage sounds BOSS :-) So good to see you love this bike mate, oh and super beard envy! :D
Cheers mate! Hopefully the noise in the wilderness will also be satisfying! Much beard growing been going on during lockdown! Sadly it doesn't work on the top of the head anymore though!! 🤣
@@AndyManCam I feel your pain re top of head hair avoidance, my alopecia is still drawing crop circles in mine! 🤣
Yeah i can imagine that’s irritating at best. Mine seems to only attack the but above and rearward of my face! 😂
@@AndyManCam But at least we can grow beards of joy! :D
Huzzah!!! It's nature's way of still giving us some way to be cooler than the other kids with all their curls and waves! 😁
Sounds alright... for an IL4 😜. Looks ten times better - not too blingy. Classy, I'd venture. Nice one 👌
Cheers Mike. I agree. Less is definitely more in this case. That’s kind of the overall feel I’m going for with the changes.
Nice exhausts those. I bought one for my 790 Duke but I splashed out on the titanium one. 0.8kg it weighs and the stocker was 5kg. It does release a nice rasp on the 790 too when you crack the throttle on the road. You might notice that when you get out on it. I've yet to try it with the baffle removed 🙉
Looking forward to seeing how the wrap comes out 👍
I did consider the titanium one. But the extra 100 odd €€ for a 600g saving wasn't enough to convince me. I'm looking forward to seeing if I've got the same rasp on the open road!
i wonder what it sounds like with the DB killer out !
Something I'm sure we'll find out next time I get to the track. Although maybe I should throw out an extra video, with the dB killer out and also with NO can at all! Can't believe I forgot to do that!
a airbox mod or a K&N Performance air filter will give the intake a deep growl, an help the bike, as well as the Arrow. more in/more out=better!
That is actually on my list. As soon as the overpriced stock filter that was replaced at last service is used up, I‘ll be getting something a bit more breathey!
Pretty Lecker that m8, nice and small to really show off that rear wheel😜
Is that more arse jokes between you two?
When you've got a rear like that... 😜
There are never enough arse jokes in the world DoT!
Nice intro and looking forward to this series 👍
Looking at changing the indicator's on my bike so will be interested in the brand/model you go for and the inevitable faff involved in fitting them! 🤣
Keep up the good work Sir
Thanks David! The indicator vid is going to be a bit involved, but I'm very excited about the results! I just hope reality matches up to my imagination!
Looks great Andy.... looking forward to more mods in the future 👍
Cheers Dave! You and me both!
Keep it up man! Love to see what you do with the turn signals. I hit mine almost every time I swing my leg over the seat.
Thanks John! I can promise you that the replacements I've got will NEVER be a problem with leg hooking! 😜
Nice video, thank you. One query, should the new Arrow bracket not go behind the mounting point? That’s the way the old one came off, in the vid! Get well soon and back out there. Keep the excellent content going!!
Cheers Stewart. No it's definitely meant to go on the outside. unlike many cans, the bracket on the Arrow is welded on and there's no loose link pipe. So there really is only one way it can go on. Otherwise the bracket would be rotated and not sit flush against the mounting point.
Andy what toolkit is it you use. Looks very handy
It’s very handy mate! Always have it with me. It’s the Wera Toolcheck Plus. amzn.to/3tkk6Y6
@@AndyManCam Thanks for replying. I’ll order that! Keep up the good work 👍🏽
@@StevIebenz My pleasure! You’ll not be disappointed. I’ve tried in vain to break mine, where bigger tools have relented!
As a fellow CB1000R owner I am looking forward to the SLC and Legend panniers review.. I like the arrow, but I think a panigale style under slung exhaust would really show off the single sided swingarm. I am holding out for a complete system to become available..
Hopefully I'll have cause to give the Legend Gear stuff a fair bit of screen time before any proper review. i want all reviews to be real live and thorough from here on out. But that means you should be able to see them in use! First impressions are really good. They look awesome and the heavy canvas material is really satisfying to see, touch and use! I wanted to try them out ages ago, as they're the best style fit for the bike (IMO), so really glad that SW-Motech are on board with that now 🥰 Arrow have a full system, but it's far too illegal for me over here in Germania! Also The Official Mr Fish did a vid on the Black Widow full system a while back. Before he sold his CB.
Nice one mate, but what are you going to do with that big flappy over engineered box under..
Cheers. Unfortunately I'm going to leave that massive ugly box where it is! Without it, the bike wouldn't be road legal and I'd get a lot of unwanted attention from the police.
Looks great, sounds good too!
Thanks Craig, I think so too. 👍🏻
Nice looking can that! Look forward to videos out and about with that on 👍
Cheers mate! Me too!
Just bought myself a zoom recorder , any advice on settings for recording audio on the bike Andy , and the bike looks so much better with the arrow 👌😊👍🏼
I always have the lo cut switched on, auto level control off, WAV format and the recording level at about 50-60. I still sadly haven't found the best position for getting a great sound yet though. More testing needed! I always have to boost the volume afterwards (preferably with a compressor) but it's better than the yo-yoing volume with the Auto level. Ultimately, every setup is a bit different, so you have to experiment a bit to get it perfect. Good luck!
Whhooaah..sounds superb..Still sat in my kitchen with no bike...👍👍🍻
Thanks Kevin. That's annoying mate. Hope you can fix that soon!
Hands down better looking....😉🙄
Sounds sweet but YOU will know and hopefully we will too when you're able to properly test ride!!!🤷🏻♂️
Looking forward to more my friend 👊
I can't wait either! Apparently the tone will sweeten up after a few thousand miles, or so I'm informed. Best get to it!
I'm planning to Install a set of similar Twin Arrow Pro Race Nichrom Dark on my newly acquired KTM 890 Duke R as I have Twin Leo Vince LV10 on my 790 Duke and wanna try something a bit different - GREAT Video as always.
Thanks DoT! I really liked the look of the dual version. Very slick. I was a bit underwhelmed by the quality of the welding on all of the pictures and videos that I saw though. Looks a bit scrappy. It's certainly not at SC Project levels of weld porn anyway! Maybe I'm being too critical?! Decided that at half the price, half the weight and more of the minimalism I'd stick with the single! The Duke will look badass with those twin trumpets though!
@@AndyManCam I was blown away by the quality of the Leo Vince's - But they kinda look like a pair of jam cans on my 790, my brother has factory arrows on his Speed Triple RS so I thought the 890R deserved a better set up ;-)
I reckon they’ll look sweet as mate.
Looks good Andy 👍🏻
Cheers Trevor! 👍🏻
Yes, looks much better. It will be interesting to find out if the vibration returns without a stock end can.
Are those tank protectors on the bike? Looks wrinkled or is that just a trick of the light? I look forward to the vinyl tank wrap video. Scary! 😬
I hope not. The Boosterplug is helping a little bit, but also it's possible that the longer engine bars were actually channeling vibrations to the rear from the front. I need a lot more testing to really be able to back that up though! At the very least I'm hoping that the almost double cost of the Arrow over the Mivv has some developmental grounding!
Hi Andy, your bike looks good . Would you think it might look better with out the air box under neth and replace with a pipe. I did that I on my triumph street tripel rs 2018 and it looks really great and makes the bike lighter and stop s all the grud from resting on top were it is hard to get at
Cheers Paul. I totally think it would mate. Sadly that's just not an option here in Germany. Without the Cat, the bike would 100% fail emissions test and also the homologation status would be invalidated, meaning no insurance and no longer road legal. They take that stuff very seriously here.
That looks mint Andy 😜👍👍
Thanks Dale! 👍
@andymancam I noticed you've taken the crash bars off. Any reason, or just for styling's sake? I'm about to fit them on mine on the weekend.
P.S Vinyl wrap is a pain! I opted to Plastidip those aluminium covers instead. Good luck though, I think you're a bit more handy than me :D :D :D
I felt the need for a more minimal look, so sacrificed a bit of protection in the name of style 🤦🏻♂️
Great vid Andy, love how you edit. Bike sounds awesome. hope the ear heals quickly. RSM8
Cheers Kev. Luckily the ears work well enough that I can hear the bike, so that's a double win! It's just an issue of comfort now before I can squeeze into the helmet!
Are you gonna install the HEALTECH Launch controle ? good vid !
That would have been a great add on for the FZ1, but the CB100R already has most of the features that the Healtech unit has. Having two traction controll systems fighting against each other probably wouldn't be a very efficient setup!
Very nice mate, get that baffle OUT!!!!
Cheers! I wish I could, but Herr Polizei would be on my arse faster than a fly on warm poo!
@@AndyManCam such a shame, I bet it sounds even better without it! UK trip soon then get it out and enjoy! bikes coming on lovely now mate
Not a bad idea! Or maybe even the Italian alps! 😃
How are those Spirits fairing, Andy?
Very good Jim! I really like them. I wouldn't have any problem getting them again. They've been fantastic in the wet (just check out the Northernmost point in germany vid, in the rain) and also at about 25 degrees in the dry they were super sticky. Plus after about 4000 miles, they still look like they've barely started to wear.
What a great improvement! 👍
Cheers Scotty!
Looks the biz. Did u have a vibey issue with the previous can u put on it? Or am I muddling up UA-camrs?
You’re spot on Dave. The Boosterplug has softened the vibes a tiny bit, but it’s also possible that either the whole thing was in my head, or the larger crash bars were connecting the front and rear engine mounts and making it worse. More Testing needed.
Even though the original one looks great in my opinion I think that Arrow really suits this colouring, I'm curious if it doesn't anything to the throttle response, on my old CB1000R it was very noticeable with an after market can.
Cheers Phil. Yeah, I could have happily stayed with the stock and never felt that it was ugly enough to ruin the bike. So far throttle response seems good, though I've only ridden to the shops in town!
@@AndyManCam Oh thats good news, should be ok then. Looking forward to your new videos, when are you allowed to ride again?
The annoying thing is that I’m allowed to ride now. It’s just that i can’t get my head in the helmet!! 🤣
@@AndyManCam 🤣🤣🤣
Maybe if I butter my ears first?...
Hi Andy just a quick unless it’s already been asked does this slip on pipe have the removable baffle? If it does are you able to do a sound test.
Many thanks mark
Hi ATL. It does have a removable baffle and I’m embarrassed that i didn’t think to test with it out! I’m planning to remedy the situation as soon as it’s convenient!
Thanks for getting back to me.
I’m undecided which one to get.
This one or the akrapovic titanium slip on
I think it basically comes down to budget and style. Sound wise, there really isn'T going to be any huge difference. The central box does so much silencing that I've had bikes louder than this one is with NO end can installed!
Hi and I’ve bit the bullet and gone for the arrow pro race in titanium at a bargain price (£277) the akra was double that and like you say a lot of the silencing is in the cat. Many thanks for you reply cheers mark
Hi Andy, the can is a vast visual improvement ! Does it have a removable baffle? I know you guys have to stay on the right side of the German noise police :-)
Feel free to not answer this next question: What took yourself (and if you know) Thelikablerider to Germany to live ? (I'm only interested as my Mum is Austrian and came over to Blighty donkeys years ago and I'm always intrigued by such moves)
Keep up the brilliant vids !!
I'm embarrassed to say that I didn't look very closely! Removing the baffle is such a non-option over here, that it doesn't really feature for me! But I'm pretty sure it is removable. I might make an update video with some more sound samples once I'm back out on the road. For me the move to germany was my German wife.
I may be in the minority but I kind of liked the look of the original exhaust. The new looks good to as well
I'm curious about something. I assume that the bike was designed with weight balancing the part's. Do you notice any difference in the balance, does it tend to lean more now to the left side due to the lighter exhaust?
Each to their own mate! You’re allowed to think so. TBH i think its one of the least offensive stock pipes out there in my opinion. I wouldn’t be overly sad if I’d stayed with it. I haven’t noticed any huge imbalance problems.
If I owned this bike I think that the stock performance would probably be more than enough for me. I haven't ridden in year's so I'd probably crap myself if I had anything more powerful 😂.
I know I'd have to retune the engine probably to see any increase in performance.
If I was going to put on a louder exhaust it would purely be for safety. The stock exhaust at least in the videos I've seen seems a bit on the quiet side. I can see the benefit of an aftermarket exhaust because of oncoming traffic hearing you coming especially on the twisties.
I really enjoy your videos, I found your channel while trying to find info on the the CB1000R Black Edition. That is my dream bike. I love the design of it, it kind of reminds me a little bit of the Yamaha VMax. Another bike I would have liked to have owned
Stock 14 exhaust sounded likewise but what a heavy unit...cat de lite and a lextek unit ...a little loud but until a better value comes along...
Dealt on the Buse boots slightly diff than yours which wer discontinued, Superbikes shop. Great weight saving in the pipe, super
Nice. Good gear from Büse in my experience so far!
Looks and sounds special. How will you get on with the noice polizei 🤔😜
Thanks TB! The can is fully homologated and road legal so shouldn't be any problem at all with the Lärmpolizei. ALso it's really not much louder (if at all) that the stock can. Most of the silencing goes on in the bix before the end can.
Nice sound!! Is this with a DB killer or without?
Yeah, a few of you have highlighted my mistake! This is with the dB killer IN and I forgot to record the sound with it out 🤦🏻♂️ I might have to head out and record another short video with that and also the bike with no end can at all! My mistake. SUCH an amateur!
@@AndyManCam yeah, we are very disappointed🤦🏼♂️😜😜😜. Shit happens, even the best makes mistakes. So don't worry 😁👊🏻
Gives me a chance to improve! 😉
@@AndyManCam always mate 👊🏻, you know we love you❤️. That's why we like to bully you a bit, it's a act of love 🥰🤗😜.
It's all part of the banter! Love it!
A lighter pipe gives power by way of power to weight ratio. Even if the output figure is the same, it's a win. Besides it's beautifully angled with the subframe and as you said, lets you see the rim :) Cheers.
Very true. TBH I've never changed an endcan with the hope of getting more power. It's always looks and weight for me. The titanium version of this can would have netted me almost another kg of weight saving, but at twice the cost it was a step too far!!
@@AndyManCam Totally agree on the power. I myself do it for looks and a nicer sound, weight and power I'm unlikely to notice. The character of the Shiver 750 with Akro's was gorgeous. My now deceased Nuda with a Remus, hilarious! Damn I loved that bike. Sorry Husqvarna :( The Arrows you've hooked up added just the right amount of extra snarl and low-end growl. Sounded very nice :) Cheers!
Looks awesome mate and sounds much deeper than standard.. it's fair to say yours is bigger than mine. 😂😂
Yeah, but yours has got titanium and a 'vic at the end! 😜
Nice video sir I just got mine all black edition.
Cheers Gyorgy. Congratulations.
When you change the stock exhaust do you have to have the bike re-mapped as Honda have a value system in the stock exhaust?
Nope! There’s no valve system in this bike, so it works without adjustment. I will say that it seemed the Mivv can i tried before caused more vibrations than this Arrow one. But only slightly.
👍 The exhaust looks and sounds the business
Will the bike need remapping or a power commander ?
Thanks TtD. It shouldn't no. There's so much silencing and back pressure going on in the main silencer box, that this pipe will make very little difference to the fuelling really.
nice can. How's the ABE situation with that ? Do you need to carry the papers with you for police stops or just when you have the TUV done ? Asking as a foreigner with a bike in Germany too :)
Cheers Ioan! As long as the can is homologated for your bike, and it has the E number stamped or engraved somewhere on the pipe, you should have no trouble. I've never had to show the paperwork to the TÜV or the police, but they do always want to see that number.
@@AndyManCam tnx for the answer. Have a fast recovery and get to riding soon, the weather is straightening out :)
No problem and thanks very much!
Looks good 😎👍
Thank you! Cheers!
Hi, where did you buy the seat cover?
That’s no seat cover. Here’s the video: Custom Seat for the CB1000R | SW-Motech
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@@AndyManCam Thanks! :)
Pleasure.
Can u try xsr 900
I’d love to. Would be a bit difficult and stressful right now though!
Where have the engine bars gone
I decided that they were a bit too big for the sleek and sharp look i decidedto bestow upon the bike. Less is more!
Great editing work, really appreciated the effort you put in it.
Hope your ears are doing fine :)
(*throws shade at certain other channels that shall not be named*)
Many thanks Kai. The ears are going in the right direction thanks mate. Most important for now, I can still hear! 😆
Do they do a cat delete for this model? My partner has an 09 and with the cat delete and end can it sounds awesome
I can fully imagine that! Sadly I have to keep the cat to be road legal in germany.
Is it legal to use aftermarket exhaust in Germany?
Absolutely. As long as they are certified for the bike on to which they are fitted and carry the correct E-number stamped or engraved on to the pipe. 👍🏻
Fits the bike perfectly looks good hopefully I'll get to hear it soon in real 👍😉
Cheers Gaz! Hope so too mate! Soon!
You wasnt much surprised by a new sound. Was you?
Nice video , you are tempting me to upgrade to the cb1000 . PS just bought a hoody 👍
Sorry David! I can’t help it!! Thanks for the support though! I hope it gets there soon and fulfils all your dreams! 😉
3:18 I like your shoes ✌
Like old friends! 🤣🤣
What's the rear shock like on the CB1000R, any good, or does it let the bike down?
It's pretty terrible to be honest!! Very bouncy and thrashy. It's definitely one of the worst things about this otherwise great bike.
@@AndyManCam It seems to be the main criticism of the bike. They upgraded the dash this year, so why Honda didn't upgrade the rear shock at the same time? Imagine what the bike would be like if Honda had of fitted a nice Öhlins monoshock to it. 🙁
@@soulrebelno1 Absolutely! I’d much rather have top notch handling than a flashy dash! I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the old one and i certainly don’t need to connect my phone to my bike!
@@AndyManCam Yep, and here in the UK you're probably looking at about £1000 to fit a decent Öhlins Rear Monoshock.
That’s definitely a bit out of my bracket! Will likely be a hyperpro or a Wilbers if it ever did happen.
Hi Andy I just bought a Honda CB1000R Black Edition I won’t be changing my stock exhaust. You’ve help me make that decision spending £252 for a Arrow exhaust for the same sound. Even you struggle to notice the difference. But good video
Sad but true Ray! I’ve actually decided to pass the Arrow on. The stocker isn’t hideous and like you say, same sound! I’ve decided the money can be better used elsewhere! To combat the crazy fuel prices for a start!
Andy, you do a lot of fiddling and upgrades but have you adjusted your suspension to you, when you got the bike? (also: ergonomics) I feel like this is an underrated and underpresented topic and I'd love to see your process. I think it would be useful to a lot of people, because I feel like 90% of riders ride a pogo stick.
I have messed about with the settings a tiny bit. Bit more preload all round and some tweaking of the damping settings. It seems about as good as it can be for the gear that I've got and the tyres are wearing pretty evenly. But I think the real fix is going to be some suspension upgrades. The rear shock needs to be changed completely and I think I need heavier springs at the front too. Maybe this season, we'll have to wait and see.
It almost looks too small on the bike but maybe that is because I am used to the giant Tuba.
Sounds awesome
Cheers! Can’t wait to hear it sing on the road!
@@AndyManCam same. Am buzzing for your tour vids to come back.
That makes too of us mate! I’m going nuts right now! Hopefully not much longer!
@@AndyManCam sweet. Also can’t wait for you and tlr to come over to Scotland
Oooh, I'd love to blatt the CB around the highlands!
Damn your Video qualitiy ist getting amazingly good! Recently i bought my Fz1 because of your Videos and i Love it! Only annoying thing is The vibrating handelbar as soon i press the front brake at a Stop..? Weird
Cheers mate! Thought I'd start putting a little more effort in! We'll see if that continues when I can ride again! That is weird with the braking though. Any warping or scoring on your discs? Might be worth checking that the bushings between the outer and inner parts of the discs are free. You can thread a bolt through them, pinch it on and then rotate the bolt with a spanner. The bushings should spin with the bolt. If they're stuck, then the disc won't be floating any more. That is of course assuming that you have floating discs!
@@AndyManCam thanks, i will definetly try this! Greetings from the Weserberglands
I hope you get some kind of fix!
Sweet fit............
Thanks! I normally wear a 34" but thought that the 33" would flatter the curve of my.... oh wait, you mean the pipe! 😉
Clean look and sound. Nice one 👍🏾
Cheers Chris! 👍🏻
Need this on mine!
It looks good, but doesn’t really sound any different.