I assume the reason why it was Spinoza who discovered Rhizome is that in his monistic system there is no metaphysical hierarchy, no actual starting point, end or center. Even though he uses notions such as substance, god, attribute, on the fundamental level, everything is god, everything is a mere modification of gods attributes. And god is everything that exists. God is essentially existence itself. Thus there is no thought, idea, object, matter, etc. which may have any form of metaphysical and ontological priority over other things. Which makes arborescent view of universe impossible. God is not a center or a creator of existence, but he is existence itself. There is even no priority of matter (extension) over thoughts or thoughts over matter. Moreover, Spinozas system is strictly antitelological, thus existence, god for him not only has no starting point but also no ending point: there is no final cause, end of existence (god). And it is no surprise since god is infinite and if existence is same as god then it too must be infinite. Basically Spinoza views the whole reality as a huge metaphysical rhizome.
I think you've got it there. I didn't even think to connect Spinoza's monism to rhizomes, but after reading your explanation it seems obvious that it lends itself to non-hierarchical structures with its flattening of ontology.
As a philosophy major, I went into this just curious to see where different concepts fell on the iceberg, and came out having to say this is the best introductory explanation to most of these philosophical concepts I’ve come across on UA-cam. Congratulations.
@@novatheone7879 A job teaching philosophy. And if you’re lucky, time to research and publish. The same could be said about a lot of majors that are hard to monetize outside of academia.
I still asking my self, wtf there's this guy appearing everytime. I almost quited the video, f this guy kkkkk I'm not from USA, show more relevant things
Right? If this iceberg has convinced me of anything, it's that Nick Land is a postmodernist artist who uses absurdism to explore ideas he finds interesting rather than a philosopher arguing for those ideas. One of those excerpts read like pure slam poetry, real experimental stuff. (Sure, maybe I don't 'get' him, but let me be a little facetious...)
As a german philosopher I have to confess that Hegel is actually easier to read in the english translation (note that reading Hegel and understanding Hegel are two very different things)
@@carspotterone9837 Absolut, bei der Übersetzung geht immer etwas verloren. Besonders stark fällt mir das bei Hegel und Kant auf. Aber auch bei chinesischen Philosophen. Der Grund warum die oft so mystisch wirken ist ja, dass es einfach unglaublich schwer ist antike chinesische Texte ins bspw deutsche zu übertragen. Manchmal ärgere ich mich auch dass ich Platon nicht im Original lesen kann.
@@alexstrixner1156 Naja, also die chinesischen Philosophen klingen auf Chinesisch nicht wirklich weniger mystisch. Die arbeiten einfach mit komplett anderen kosmologischen und ontologischen Grundannahmen und unterscheiden nicht zwischen Religion und Philosophie. Prinzipiell hast du natürlich recht, Übersetzungen sind extrem schwierig und nie perfekt, aber selbst Sinologen mit Schwerpunkt auf Religionswissenschaft bezeichnen viele Texte als kryptisch, abstrus und definitiv mystisch.
@@algepaca Chinesische Philosophie ist nicht mein Schwerpunkt, daher nimm das was ich jetzt sage mit einem gesunden Funken Skepsis an. Aber alleine die Tatsache, dass die Chinesische Schriftsprache größtenteils nicht aus Buchstabenketten sondern aus Zeichen besteht, die auf ganze Begriffe verweisen, manche Wörter sich aus Begriffketten zusammensetzen und die Bedeutung dieser Begriffketten vom intertextuellen und historischen Kontext abhängig sind, macht eine akkurate Übersetzung ins deutsche fast unmöglich.
Also it's important to emphasize that not all existentialists reject the existence of God. There are theist existentialists like Kierkegaard, Gabriel Marcel, and Karl Jasper.
Yeah couldn't continue with the video after hearing that, imagine poor Soren, tormenting himself for decades contemplating aesthetics vs morality vs faith, and this is the level of misrepresentation and disrespect he gets.
This. Kierkegaard is the philosopher that got me into philosophy. It's such a shame, even most courses on existentialism don't cover anyone else outside of Heidegger, Nietzsche, Sartre, and Camus.
I'm 90% sure you don't know what is the hyper racism he spoke about. It's basically the idea that the rich will improve themselves through genetic engineering and thus create a new caste of transhumans which will not care about race, and they will see everyone else as inferior equally. Which is an extremely accurate observation.
@@duncanclarke I'm surprised that you didn't research hyper-racism at all, yet you mentioned it in the video. Even if you go on Wikipedia and check the Nick Land's article on hyper racism it references - the most basic level of research, you will see that it has little to do with scientific racism (the idea that some human races are superior because of scientific facts), in fact Nick criticises the concept of contemporary racism there. In the context of his dark enlightenment it's rather funny that you put 0 effort into researching it, because the mainstream narrative is that anything that has "racism" in it's name is evil.
@@werrkowalski2985 The Nick Land Defender™ has logged on. For the record, I had skimmed through that article on hyper-racism (which is only archived on an alt-right blog, by the way). From what I can tell, hyper racism is Land's prophesy of accelerated racism through a process of "genetically self-filtering elite", that moves towards a "class-structured mechanism for population diremption, on a vector toward neo-speciation", which is in contrast to what he describes as the "preserved diversity" of regular racism and the "idealized genetic pooling" of anti-racists. I can't really see how his conception of "assortive mating" is distinguished from run-of-the-mill eugenics, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Sure, his concept of hyper racism is a bit more nuanced than Bell-Curve-esque scientific racism, but I think it's fair to understand them as having a family resemblance. I will concede that I didn't do my due diligence in describing this idea charitably in my script, but to be fair, it was just a passing remark. It wasn't even a concept on the iceberg at all.
@@duncanclarke Just so you know, yes, it was on the alt-right website, but since you made a point that it was on an alt-right website, you should know that the alt-right was not a homogeneous movement (as a movement it almost doesn't exist anymore), in other words, while majority of it is (or was) nazi Spencer fans, not all of it is reducible to nazi Spencer fans, so it is not simply equivalent to a "nazi movement", which is what you are probably thinking. And even if it was an "evil incarnate" (which it is to a liberal mind), Nick Land's philosophy is separate from it, in fact some alt-righters tried to dismiss neoreaction/dark enlightenment because one of its main thinkers is part jewish. It's not "accelerated racism", there is no acceleration of racism, acceleration of racism would involve for example accelerating racial tensions. Maybe you got that idea because some people on the right do have such accelerationist ideas, hyper-racism is 'going beyond' racism in a sense that racism wouldn't matter, that is why he has said that the racists and anti-racists would unite against the hyper-racists (the rich who would enhance themselves and their children to create a new caste of transhumans who would see everyone else as inferior). Maybe a better name for it would be something like "meta-racism", which sounds even more absurd, but is not as provocative, hah. The observation that the rich will inevitably use genetic engineering to enhance themselves and this will create a new caste is a very important observation, I don't see how this can be stopped even if somebody wanted to stop it (As far as I know Nick sees it as a positive thing), it's an "ultimate blackpill" for modern liberals who come from the tradition of French Revolution. It's a profoundly anti-egalitarian, inevitable idea, it fits well into Nick's apocalyptic ideas. You presumably have left-wing leanings, give this idea a thought, its very hard to imagine how it could not happen. "I can't really see how his conception of "assortive mating" is distinguished from run-of-the-mill eugenics, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong." As I understand it the point about assortive mating is basically that people form social classes, and that is reinforced due to mating practices, and that will lead to neo-speciation, from the article: "It is assortative mating on the basis of SES that has lifted it to prominence, both because it seems unquestionably to be happening, and because the implications of its happening are extreme. (Crucially, SES is a strong proxy for IQ.)" Assortative mating based on SES is if for example a rich person marries another rich person or a poor person marries another poor person, ie people marry within the same economic/social class, it is somewhat related to eugenics, but eugenics is specifically practices aimed at improving genetic quality and genetic fitness (in modern day an example would be neoeugenics, but even policies like outlawing of incest are a form of eugenics), while assortative mating makes no claims about its goal being improving the genetic quality. "Sure, his concept of hyper racism is a bit more nuanced than Bell-Curve-esque scientific racism, but I think it's fair to understand them as having a family resemblance." It's an observation, it's a prophecy, it's recognising the consequences of new technologies like genetic engineering, scientific racism is a moral realist moral judgment. By the way you may be interested in knowing that a prominent alt-righter wrote a book about why gene editing should be outlawed (because it can lead to loss of genetic diversity), it's called "The Revolutionary Phenotype".
The way you transitioned from “Gender Accelerationism” to “The Solar Anus” caught me so off guard and just kept me laughing as it the delivery of the “TheSolar Anus” was just so good.
Funniest is how Preciado said the anus should become the main sexual referent for humankind as every human have one^^ and has been applying g/acc and xenofeminism himself^^
I think Nick Land should be considered as a post-acceleratist, because he accelerated incomprehensible wordy mumbo-jumbo of philosophy to the extreme, where you could find any meaning in his word soup.
As a software engineer I’ve learned that it's very easy to conflate the concepts of something being complicated = complex = "deep, sophisticated & well thought out", but in reality they're very separate things that we'd do well to distinguish. This is also highlighted in the somewhat counterintuitive notion that it's often more difficult to write a simple program that does what you want, than it is to write a complex system that does what you want. And that simple program in turn, could be more complicated than the complex program in that it relies upon operations that are hard to understand. I've been somewhat conflicted how well this translates to philosophy, but I'm leaning towards the same principles holding true. ...does an idea that is very difficult to explain make it any less valid? No, probably not, but I would argue that if it were more thoroughly thought out, the same idea could be explained in a less complicated way without compromising its complexity.
As someone who majored in computer science and did philosophy on the side, I tend to agree with your points. I think that Wittgenstein is an excellent example of clearly and simply articulated philosophy. But I think it's also worth appreciating the sheer amount of jargon that's usually required to discuss a lot of the things philosophy deals with, either because other words aren't sufficiently precise or because no other word exists for that concept.
@@duncanclarke I can not tell you how much comfort these comments gave me as an ongoing comp-sci student, who always loved Philosophy and was worried that the two might be too far apart :)
@@duncanclarke I read Wittgenstein while I was learning to code, and I went through everything that I could find online from him, both in my main language and English. It helped me to properly understand sequences in any action, which pushed me not to fear any computational concept that I stumbled upon. Even his take on religion is wonderful;
@@Dominik-nm7bg philosophy and computer science are a great pairing. Many of the fundamental problems and questions at the heart of the latter take on the form of the former
By the end I was genuinely laughing every time you brought up nick land, like a fantastic running gag. Nick land truly is one of the thinkers of all time. Thank you for this video, very informative, very well done overall. The fact that you always include the same pictures of the people really helps in structuring the info mentally. Anyway, I found your videos just now, one year after release randomly in my suggestions. Excellent stuff so far, you deserve way more subs! Keep up the great work!
Remembered your channel randomly like literally 2 days ago. Great to see you upload something again! Hope you get a wider audience than just a bunch of anons.
My take-away of this video is the following: To become a philosopher, it is necessary to have a suit, never smile, smoke all the time and always look slightly away from people.
I’ve seen some pretty iffy interpretations of Nietzsche when condensed into a brief explanation, but this was honestly one of the best! The will to power can be confusing for some but you explained it very concisely in a way that many aren’t able too. Great video!
I was considering getting a minor in philosophy for a while now, and this dramatically increased my interest in the topic. The philosophical topics are covered incredibly well, and I love pondering my own perspective on each topic.
Yeah the more I delved into philosophy I found it more and more interesting, I just couldn’t figure out why any of it would matter other than being a way to express thoughts in a intellectually provocative way.
@@hank10111111is this a joke? Philosophy matters cause it dictates how we live our lives and how we view other people. A person may view others as beneath them, due to some trait they think they have, that is a philosophy of behavior for that person. A ceo may treat their workers worse or better, depending on their philosophy of business. Philosophy defines how we all live and how we view the world. It is arguably the most important field of study for humanity(but that depends on your philosophy).
The problem with Nick Land's work is that he's valued more by who promotes it and his own persona rather than it's content. Nick Land's ideas really aren't that "out there" as far philosophy goes. The difference is that other fringe philosophers' ideas generally fizzle out on some niche blogs while Land's accelerationist view of Dark Enlightenment is spread around by certain political groups. In academia Land isn't really influential at all. The number of philosophers who consider his ideas in their own work is laughably small considering his popularity outside of academia. Honestly he's not even the most influential of the CCRU ex-members.
Except for the weird part where he associates nick land with scientific racism and the alt right for some reason. Probably just saw the word racism and ran with it
@@luisandrade2254 I was confused af too. This kid is less of a philosopher and more of a leftist trying larping deep thinking subject beliefs. From what I learned from his videos he’s literally just a “safe” leftist who likes philosophy
I perceived wrongly that you had 750k subscribers( maybe one of the other worlds) but alas it was only 750 which baffles me since you show great details in your videos and understandings. Keep up the good work ol chap, we are here for you and your breaking mind.
I couldn’t have asked for a better briefing on these topics. Some of the under the iceberg concepts you talked about were completely new to me, but your description of each was both intriguing and helpful, thanks for listing the different philosophers or even other videos! good stuff
I have seen a bunch of philosophical channel here, but it's the first one in a long time that fell both refreshing and interesting. Nice content, keep it up !
I think the "Tribute explains Hyperreality" means the Tenacious D song tribute, being a a tribute to a supposed best song that they can't remember, explains hyperreality, in which the tribute to the greatest song is the greatest song.
GENIUS! i didn't in my dreams expect this level of down-to earth knowledge. thank you for the examples too! this will get send around in my circle for a long while
I feel the tip of the iceberg should be determinism, consciousness and time. They are the 3 main topics that interest newcomers to philosophy (and those already interested).
I find it surreal that former psychology professor, Dr Jordan Peterson, whom I debated and discussed many ideas and concepts with back in 2002, as become so famous. I found he had a lot of insightful things to say, but yet when it came to so many tenets of philosophy and culture he was often off the mark
@@budicaesar1213 yeah, even the idea that he doesn’t understand “postmodernism” is a farce. He’s said and written multiple times that he knows the pairing of Marxism and postmodernism is logically incoherent. That’s his point. The people he is describing do not concern themselves with coherence.
It fascinates me that people are real all around the world. That sounds absolutely inane but it is what I experience. Everyone has lived an entire lifetime, and so many entire lifetimes intersect. So many are currently ongoing at this very moment. Every single person who exists currently does that very thing, exist.
The smug picture of Nick Land always makes me think he knows something no one else does or he is performing some grand scheme at the expense of everyone but himself. It reminds me of Gendo Ikari and the Human Instrumentality Project.
Such a good video man. I’m a complete noob at philosophy and I wanted to get into it. Stumbled upon this video and now I’m interested in actually exploring. Listening from work. Keep making good stuff!
Great video, not a personal criticism but more targeted towards the entire field of philosophy is its near totally western approach and ignoring fascinating philosophies from the east. I would love to see more Arabic, pre-islamic and east Asian philosophies included in these studies The oneness of being a great place to start ;)
great video, love how theres many things I wasn't aware of despite my masters in Philosophy. Biggest gripe w this video is finding out about the existance of Nick Land
Very well-done video and many insightful comments and interpretations regarding many of the philosophical notions of the variety of the great philosophers, like Spinoza, Hegel, Deleuze, Nietzsche, and so on
I discovered you because of the tier list video and stayed for the other videos . Please keep up the great work . You definitly deserve my subscription and a lot more if you keep up this quality. I just love those philosophical topics! :P
I love it how it all begins with the innocuous acquiring of useful and curious information, develops into more involved insights and it finally unravels into conspiracy theories and moonman talk. A true mini-history of the mind.
As a philosophy major, I found this video very helpful, because there is so much literature out there, and we all go down different rabbit holes, so it is nice to know what is more common knowledge and what is not so much.
@@luvvsammy i think it’s best to start from the beginning and read chronologically, start with plato and socrates, plato’s republic is a good place to start.
Great video! I'm currently studying philosophy so I know much of this already, but it was still super fun to watch and I'm down for anything that brings more attention to philosophy.
Didn't know the ccru but it exemplifies perfectly one of Borges best fiction in fiction. In tlön uqbar orbis tertius he claims to have found a encyclopedia full of rules and stories to complex to have been invented by one group of people. He gradually diggs out the fascinating rules of an alternate reality that start to bleed into reality. He wrote this in 1950's if i recall well. Its hyperstition all over. I have to research this. I desire to know this. Knowledge is power. Power is desire. Reality is now inaccessible without hyperreality.
Damn you! I was so sure to just spend a few minutes skipping through this and finally go to bed. How dare you make this actually really interesting and well-presented! Great video.
1:03:38 Okay, in plain English. The associated side effects of technologization are personified by Thanatos, and Land associates these with chaos and destruction of order in society. The associated side effects of human, animal nature that predates technologized society, Land ties to Eros and a sort of "natural order." As the natural world humans occupy becomes insulated and evermore altered by machines and technology, people like Land who see this process in action will makes use of it. They will drive the direction in which future human society is further insulated, and further altered by machines. He basically found the most convoluted way possible to say "the internet changes everything and it will continue to"
Great video. Gonna take a stab at the land quote 1:03:38 I think this essentially a wordy way of describing AI taking over the world. The carbon dominium is supposed to be the biological domain of life or sentience while "machine plague" seems to refer to that domain being corrupted and changed into an abiotic existence. He also seems to say that this comes with increasing chaos, hence thanatos is referenced. The replicants of the nomad-cyberrevolution would then be the actual entities causing this shift, and it necessarily threatens humanity by marking a departure from it. He also connects this to de-territorialization, which seems to reference the "nomad" aspect of the cyberrevolution and how it will leave behind the sedentary, settled, immobile nature of humanity and how we maintain our existence. I have no clue what the macropod is supposed to be. Could be like the 'living system' of humanity, which would explain why it is "hacked" by the machine plague. Ngl I havent read much land and generally think he is insane, but this kinda seems like a cool way to describe how tech and the internet facilitate transhumanism
Absolutely amazing explanations^___^ It's nice to find an iceberg explanation that is fun to watch and isn't riddled with nothing but the creators rants on everything..
Hey I found your channel from this video and it was my fastest subscribe :D. Keep up the great work. I'm writing this comment just to flex on people by saying I was here before million subs. Love from Turkey 🇹🇷
Ok, i gotta say. I'm halfway through the video and I REALLY ENJOY IT MY FRIEND. You definitely earned a new subscriber. I'd love to see a video from you about Epicureanism btw, or Sartre's ideas, they're my two fav philosophers and I'd love to see some related content from you
especially thanks for the last part about opn & ccru, overlooked this plot somehow actually, good job. initially was skeptical about this ..iceberg thing.., but you made it pretty clear and accurate; besides .doc with sources - a special delight.
Just some others ideas that could be explored in the video, opposing the materialistic point of view of the video: - Saturated Phenomena of Marion - Concrete Philosophy of Mário Ferreira dos Santos - Animal perception of Xavier Zubiri - French Spiritualism of Ravaisson, Lavelle, Bergson, Lachelier, and others - Medieval dialetics in general - Voegelin's interpretation of gnosticism and its consequences to politics - Husserl's phenomenology in general - The philosophy of Alfred Whitehead, which is way more profound than Russerl's atempts - The structure of intuition as studied in Bernard Lonergan's Insight - The ideas of Rosenstock-Huessy in general - Schelling interpretation of Mythology and Revelation - Ontology of Secret by Pierre Boutang - The Reale interpretation of Plato works - Gaston Bachelard's poetics PS: You can find more about the relation of Hegel and occultism in general in a Voegelin article that I don't remember the name. And, besides the biased structure of the video, I liked it! Thank you for the content!
I did not expect that I'd know any concepts past like level 3, but low and behold in Level 6 I come across a philosophical concept that I actually knew. For those curious it was Nietzsche's eternal recurrence and the only reason I know about it is do to a great time loop web novel titlled "The Perfect Run"
great video! but you can really tell this iceberg is marred by the initial creator's overwhelming focus on a few pet philosophers -- heidegger, deleuze, and (most odiously) nick land. this comes at the expense of a wider range of more interesting views, like dives into Franz Fanon, Judith Butler/queer theory, Object Oriented Ontology/Actor Network Theory, ANY analytic philosophy beyond the idea it exists, Kimberle Krenshaw, ANY non-Western philosophy, Donna Haraway, ecocriticism, etc. When you're introducing the idea of 'praxis' on the bottom layer, you can tell something has gone wrong and the iceberg creator's sense of the topic is wildly out of proportion
I was also a little curious about the obsession with Land throughout the video. Its an internet list, so it doesn't completely surprise me they would be obsessed with a writer mostly popular with *(very specific)* internet subcultures
This was an amazing video! I especially loved it whenever Bataille cropped up as I am a huge fan of his work. I do have one small point to make however. Early on when you were talking about Kantian deontology, it was said that the categorical imperative asks us to think if we would like the results of our actions if everyone did them. This is however, a misunderstanding of Kant. Kant did not care if you didn't like the results. What the first categorical imperative was, was: Is it possible to universalise your maxim without it leading to a contradiction in terms? So for example, if everyone stole, the concept of property would break down so stealing would no longer exist. Or is it possible to universalise your maxim without it being a contradiction in practice. So for example, if you wanted no one to ever help anyone, ever. You can universalise this without contradiction, but you cannot do it without help. So it fails the 1st Categorical imperative. There was then the 2nd imperative, which was about respecting and treating other humans as ends in and of themselves. Instead of using them as a means to an end.
Awesome video. I was researching to make one video in portughese with this Iceberg. I am surprise and happy that completed first the philosophy's one You made a Great Job!
Also surprised that some of Nietzsche's most famous concepts weren't on there like ressentiment or the genealogy of morals, but maybe they were a bit too obvious. Ressentiment in particular I think is still a powerful and compelling tool that's used everywhere from Hollywood films to Freud. Also from the prevalence of Nick Land it's obvious the the chart creator was more than a bit of a 4channer, though a 4channer who had an obsession with Guenon or Mark Fisher would have made a very different iceberg
Its so funny how through my own interests I've read some stuff on stoicism, a bit of nietzsche, some schopenhauer, and because of university work I know about the panopticon for example and these ideas at like level 4 (structuralism, poststructuralism, critical theory, postmodernism, marxism) which is interesting, I've thought they were not that highly appreciated. And also.. Hegel is so damn hard to read,I remember I had to make a seminar about some author which was talking a lot about hegels ideas and it was reaally hard to keep track of. Point being, this video made me a little more appreciative of my university, seems I've gotten a good start point for philosophy in my sociology classes 😊
Considering the first few concepts, "Basing politics off of fiction" is probably more broad in scope. Basing current politics and policies on whatever is currently the fantasy of what came before. All societies throughout history function like this. Ex: Athens believed they inherited their political sovereignty from the Minoan civilization. And the stuff in The Iliad and The Odyssey.
@@temporalhitchhiker2152 Same here, I genuinely want to be convinced otherwise, but it's hard to find a problem with it... Best I could come up with is that life and society at least have some small chance of evolving into some kind of utopia, in which pleasure can reasonably be seen to outweigh suffering. By not reproducing and eliminating human life, or even possibly eliminating all life through sterilization, this may simply be delaying the possibility of a "utopia" in the long run. We are not really sure how life develops and it's chances of doing so, but life may simply develop on earth again and create an immense amount of suffering through the process of evolution, until life either reaches the point of deciding to destroy itself again (perhaps infinitely), or finally does reach a utopia. Given generally accepted predictions that the universe is relatively young, it seems reasonable to predict that life could very well start over on earth, so it could certainly be seen as logical that maintaining life on earth and our current "progress" evolutionarily is preventing suffering in the long run. There are issues with this argument I'm sure, which I would love to hear your thoughts on. Haven't really convinced myself with it tbh, but I think it's at least a somewhat logical counter-argument...
@@MatthewAndThings This is actually a good counter argument. However, it is entirely subjective; it solely relies on a very small chance and not a proven possibility. I believe that anti-natalism is very individualistic and can't be evaluated as a general thing people should support. The only reason this concept even exists is due to the false assumption that suffering is an absolute negative and pleasure is an absolute positive. If you think about it, the only reason we're here is due to suffering. Suffering is what drives change and improvement. In a world of suffering, change (into the direction of less but non-zero suffering) is the least an existence can accomplish. Whether you support this concept is entirely dependent on whether you have the strength to accept the state of the world.
@@vastoa Just to challenge the idea of suffering is a driving force for improvement, there are such instances where suffering isn’t that. Your death, death of others, inconvenient pain, other people enforcing suffering, these only change in respect to suffering, not away from suffering.
@@tf9956 Agreed. Plenty of meaningless suffering in this world... But even in the cases of suffering being a driving force for improvement, the definition of improvement is this case is 'moving away from suffering' It seems contradictory to claim suffering can be a good thing because it leads to reduction in suffering... Surely a reduction in suffering being a good thing is dependent on suffering being an inherently bad thing.
this whole time i thought the lemurian time war had to do with the hypothetical lost continent of lemuria, said to be the ancestral homeland of lemurs as well as 10 foot tall, lanky, nocturnal humanoids living near mount shasta, california
That's what I thought initially as well, since I had read a bit about Rudolf Steiner and some of his ideas about the lemurians. From what I can tell the lemurian time war is just a CCRU thing and there's no connection there.
@@duncanclarke also "adnillian eschatology" is sarah adnil's idea that the end of the universe will arrive when eros, thanatos, and oedipus complex combined will lead people to engage in such violent behavior that they'll roll (or "enmangle") all existing things, including themselves, up into a singular entity kniwn as the MONAD or the flesh MONAD of course, sarah adnil is actually just an inside joke from an instagram meme account, because their audience couldn't tell the weird adnillian terminology apart from the actual philosophical and anthropo/sociological terminology in their normal memes
It may be small minded of me but I really appreciate your narrative NOT having music in the background There are very few sound edits I look forward to hearing more
29:00 not that I agree with Freud here, but I’m pretty sure that this is where the superego comes in, or the part of your psyche that follows social norms and could cause you to feel guilt and shame, if I’m thinking of it correctly
I feel like while the iceberg is supposed to represent concepts from simple to complex, based on this interpretation it could just as easily by describing concepts from well known to obscure.
51:42 I read this entry incorrectly as Tribute explains Hyperstitions, the word in the previous entry, and thought it was refering to the song by Tenacious D. This worked in my head, cause it was just a comedic song written about another song that was the best song in the world, and over the years, it itself has become refered to as The Best Song in the World.
Just want to add since you said you weren't sure, referring to the Basing Politics Off Of Fiction one they were probably also referring to people who say things like their side being dumbledores army fighting the other side who are voldemorts deatheaters, comparing a real world tragedy to thanos' snap, equating real world reproductive rights discussion to a book where women are kept as breeding slaves, thinking Joker was going to cause an incel uprising, rebels vs the empire, fellowship vs sauron, ryan gosling being literally me. It happens a lot in internet political discussions.
I assume the reason why it was Spinoza who discovered Rhizome is that in his monistic system there is no metaphysical hierarchy, no actual starting point, end or center. Even though he uses notions such as substance, god, attribute, on the fundamental level, everything is god, everything is a mere modification of gods attributes. And god is everything that exists. God is essentially existence itself. Thus there is no thought, idea, object, matter, etc. which may have any form of metaphysical and ontological priority over other things. Which makes arborescent view of universe impossible. God is not a center or a creator of existence, but he is existence itself. There is even no priority of matter (extension) over thoughts or thoughts over matter. Moreover, Spinozas system is strictly antitelological, thus existence, god for him not only has no starting point but also no ending point: there is no final cause, end of existence (god). And it is no surprise since god is infinite and if existence is same as god then it too must be infinite. Basically Spinoza views the whole reality as a huge metaphysical rhizome.
I think you've got it there. I didn't even think to connect Spinoza's monism to rhizomes, but after reading your explanation it seems obvious that it lends itself to non-hierarchical structures with its flattening of ontology.
@@duncanclarke Btw great video.
Dude must have had the same mushroom trip as me haha
most easily understandable spinoza fan
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As a philosophy major, I went into this just curious to see where different concepts fell on the iceberg, and came out having to say this is the best introductory explanation to most of these philosophical concepts I’ve come across on UA-cam. Congratulations.
stop the cap
@@matejalazarevic698 ? 😂
Not only on UA-cam, .. like ever.
Philosophy major? What does that get you besides obtained knowledge
@@novatheone7879 A job teaching philosophy. And if you’re lucky, time to research and publish. The same could be said about a lot of majors that are hard to monetize outside of academia.
To put it simply, the lower you go, the more Nick Land's goofiness you encounter.
Love it.
I still asking my self, wtf there's this guy appearing everytime. I almost quited the video, f this guy kkkkk I'm not from USA, show more relevant things
Right? If this iceberg has convinced me of anything, it's that Nick Land is a postmodernist artist who uses absurdism to explore ideas he finds interesting rather than a philosopher arguing for those ideas. One of those excerpts read like pure slam poetry, real experimental stuff.
(Sure, maybe I don't 'get' him, but let me be a little facetious...)
nick land is not mentally well
I've never read Nick Land but after this video I think I'll give him a go, very interesting prosaic style that's almost schizophrenic
@@proberush He's very Far Right Politically be warned.
As a german philosopher I have to confess that Hegel is actually easier to read in the english translation (note that reading Hegel and understanding Hegel are two very different things)
Verständnis auf Englisch unmöglich, auch mit wörtlicher Übersetzung
@@carspotterone9837
Absolut, bei der Übersetzung geht immer etwas verloren. Besonders stark fällt mir das bei Hegel und Kant auf. Aber auch bei chinesischen Philosophen. Der Grund warum die oft so mystisch wirken ist ja, dass es einfach unglaublich schwer ist antike chinesische Texte ins bspw deutsche zu übertragen. Manchmal ärgere ich mich auch dass ich Platon nicht im Original lesen kann.
Bruh
@@alexstrixner1156 Naja, also die chinesischen Philosophen klingen auf Chinesisch nicht wirklich weniger mystisch. Die arbeiten einfach mit komplett anderen kosmologischen und ontologischen Grundannahmen und unterscheiden nicht zwischen Religion und Philosophie. Prinzipiell hast du natürlich recht, Übersetzungen sind extrem schwierig und nie perfekt, aber selbst Sinologen mit Schwerpunkt auf Religionswissenschaft bezeichnen viele Texte als kryptisch, abstrus und definitiv mystisch.
@@algepaca
Chinesische Philosophie ist nicht mein Schwerpunkt, daher nimm das was ich jetzt sage mit einem gesunden Funken Skepsis an. Aber alleine die Tatsache, dass die Chinesische Schriftsprache größtenteils nicht aus Buchstabenketten sondern aus Zeichen besteht, die auf ganze Begriffe verweisen, manche Wörter sich aus Begriffketten zusammensetzen und die Bedeutung dieser Begriffketten vom intertextuellen und historischen Kontext abhängig sind, macht eine akkurate Übersetzung ins deutsche fast unmöglich.
Also it's important to emphasize that not all existentialists reject the existence of God. There are theist existentialists like Kierkegaard, Gabriel Marcel, and Karl Jasper.
Yeah couldn't continue with the video after hearing that, imagine poor Soren, tormenting himself for decades contemplating aesthetics vs morality vs faith, and this is the level of misrepresentation and disrespect he gets.
@@crumbcake1389 he’s pretty disrespected in general. Not because of he’s work but because he’s work is very nuanced and and not that well popularized.
Came here to say this as well!
thank you. I really dont fucking understand why so many people have such a hard time with this. its not that complicated.
This. Kierkegaard is the philosopher that got me into philosophy. It's such a shame, even most courses on existentialism don't cover anyone else outside of Heidegger, Nietzsche, Sartre, and Camus.
You are sure to blow up big time with content like this. Please don't stop on the way to it.
Thanks, dude!
Yooooo
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@@OmegasMusic dudeee you rap? I also took the name omega as a rap name
After a year, I keep coming back to this video, probably my favorite Iceberg video, a perfectly balanced mix of fun and theory, just amazing
10:45 anti-natalism {π}
12:00 determinism
13:40 circularity & beg the Q
17:38 pessimism
29:06 throwness
51:00 Hyper,,,stition [✓]
my man Nick Land creating the term "Hyper Racism" to justify his insane ideas is the most hilarious part of the video
The inner machinations of Nick Land's mind are truly an enigma
I'm 90% sure you don't know what is the hyper racism he spoke about. It's basically the idea that the rich will improve themselves through genetic engineering and thus create a new caste of transhumans which will not care about race, and they will see everyone else as inferior equally. Which is an extremely accurate observation.
@@duncanclarke I'm surprised that you didn't research hyper-racism at all, yet you mentioned it in the video. Even if you go on Wikipedia and check the Nick Land's article on hyper racism it references - the most basic level of research, you will see that it has little to do with scientific racism (the idea that some human races are superior because of scientific facts), in fact Nick criticises the concept of contemporary racism there. In the context of his dark enlightenment it's rather funny that you put 0 effort into researching it, because the mainstream narrative is that anything that has "racism" in it's name is evil.
@@werrkowalski2985 The Nick Land Defender™ has logged on. For the record, I had skimmed through that article on hyper-racism (which is only archived on an alt-right blog, by the way). From what I can tell, hyper racism is Land's prophesy of accelerated racism through a process of "genetically self-filtering elite", that moves towards a "class-structured mechanism for population diremption, on a vector toward neo-speciation", which is in contrast to what he describes as the "preserved diversity" of regular racism and the "idealized genetic pooling" of anti-racists. I can't really see how his conception of "assortive mating" is distinguished from run-of-the-mill eugenics, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Sure, his concept of hyper racism is a bit more nuanced than Bell-Curve-esque scientific racism, but I think it's fair to understand them as having a family resemblance. I will concede that I didn't do my due diligence in describing this idea charitably in my script, but to be fair, it was just a passing remark. It wasn't even a concept on the iceberg at all.
@@duncanclarke Just so you know, yes, it was on the alt-right website, but since you made a point that it was on an alt-right website, you should know that the alt-right was not a homogeneous movement (as a movement it almost doesn't exist anymore), in other words, while majority of it is (or was) nazi Spencer fans, not all of it is reducible to nazi Spencer fans, so it is not simply equivalent to a "nazi movement", which is what you are probably thinking. And even if it was an "evil incarnate" (which it is to a liberal mind), Nick Land's philosophy is separate from it, in fact some alt-righters tried to dismiss neoreaction/dark enlightenment because one of its main thinkers is part jewish.
It's not "accelerated racism", there is no acceleration of racism, acceleration of racism would involve for example accelerating racial tensions. Maybe you got that idea because some people on the right do have such accelerationist ideas, hyper-racism is 'going beyond' racism in a sense that racism wouldn't matter, that is why he has said that the racists and anti-racists would unite against the hyper-racists (the rich who would enhance themselves and their children to create a new caste of transhumans who would see everyone else as inferior). Maybe a better name for it would be something like "meta-racism", which sounds even more absurd, but is not as provocative, hah.
The observation that the rich will inevitably use genetic engineering to enhance themselves and this will create a new caste is a very important observation, I don't see how this can be stopped even if somebody wanted to stop it (As far as I know Nick sees it as a positive thing), it's an "ultimate blackpill" for modern liberals who come from the tradition of French Revolution. It's a profoundly anti-egalitarian, inevitable idea, it fits well into Nick's apocalyptic ideas. You presumably have left-wing leanings, give this idea a thought, its very hard to imagine how it could not happen.
"I can't really see how his conception of "assortive mating" is distinguished from run-of-the-mill eugenics, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong."
As I understand it the point about assortive mating is basically that people form social classes, and that is reinforced due to mating practices, and that will lead to neo-speciation, from the article:
"It is assortative mating on the basis of SES that has lifted it to prominence, both because it seems unquestionably to be happening, and because the implications of its happening are extreme. (Crucially, SES is a strong proxy for IQ.)"
Assortative mating based on SES is if for example a rich person marries another rich person or a poor person marries another poor person, ie people marry within the same economic/social class, it is somewhat related to eugenics, but eugenics is specifically practices aimed at improving genetic quality and genetic fitness (in modern day an example would be neoeugenics, but even policies like outlawing of incest are a form of eugenics), while assortative mating makes no claims about its goal being improving the genetic quality.
"Sure, his concept of hyper racism is a bit more nuanced than Bell-Curve-esque scientific racism, but I think it's fair to understand them as having a family resemblance."
It's an observation, it's a prophecy, it's recognising the consequences of new technologies like genetic engineering, scientific racism is a moral realist moral judgment. By the way you may be interested in knowing that a prominent alt-righter wrote a book about why gene editing should be outlawed (because it can lead to loss of genetic diversity), it's called "The Revolutionary Phenotype".
The way you transitioned from “Gender Accelerationism” to “The Solar Anus” caught me so off guard and just kept me laughing as it the delivery of the “TheSolar Anus” was just so good.
The Solar Anus:
"the idea that the sun shines out of ..."
Funniest is how Preciado said the anus should become the main sexual referent for humankind as every human have one^^ and has been applying g/acc and xenofeminism himself^^
I think Nick Land should be considered as a post-acceleratist, because he accelerated incomprehensible wordy mumbo-jumbo of philosophy to the extreme, where you could find any meaning in his word soup.
I can’t tell if what he’s doing is a bit that was fueled from his accelerationism or if he truly is that unhinged.
@@hank10111111he is.
As a software engineer I’ve learned that it's very easy to conflate the concepts of something being complicated = complex = "deep, sophisticated & well thought out", but in reality they're very separate things that we'd do well to distinguish. This is also highlighted in the somewhat counterintuitive notion that it's often more difficult to write a simple program that does what you want, than it is to write a complex system that does what you want. And that simple program in turn, could be more complicated than the complex program in that it relies upon operations that are hard to understand.
I've been somewhat conflicted how well this translates to philosophy, but I'm leaning towards the same principles holding true.
...does an idea that is very difficult to explain make it any less valid? No, probably not, but I would argue that if it were more thoroughly thought out, the same idea could be explained in a less complicated way without compromising its complexity.
As someone who majored in computer science and did philosophy on the side, I tend to agree with your points. I think that Wittgenstein is an excellent example of clearly and simply articulated philosophy. But I think it's also worth appreciating the sheer amount of jargon that's usually required to discuss a lot of the things philosophy deals with, either because other words aren't sufficiently precise or because no other word exists for that concept.
@@duncanclarke I can not tell you how much comfort these comments gave me as an ongoing comp-sci student, who always loved Philosophy and was worried that the two might be too far apart :)
@@Dominik-nm7bg Philosophy is the base of everything.
@@duncanclarke I read Wittgenstein while I was learning to code, and I went through everything that I could find online from him, both in my main language and English. It helped me to properly understand sequences in any action, which pushed me not to fear any computational concept that I stumbled upon. Even his take on religion is wonderful;
@@Dominik-nm7bg philosophy and computer science are a great pairing. Many of the fundamental problems and questions at the heart of the latter take on the form of the former
Criminally underrated channel. Good explanations and also providing good sources if you wish to learn more. Keep it up 10/10
By the end I was genuinely laughing every time you brought up nick land, like a fantastic running gag. Nick land truly is one of the thinkers of all time.
Thank you for this video, very informative, very well done overall. The fact that you always include the same pictures of the people really helps in structuring the info mentally.
Anyway, I found your videos just now, one year after release randomly in my suggestions. Excellent stuff so far, you deserve way more subs! Keep up the great work!
As someone that knows jack about philosophy, this was very informative. Good video
Thanks, man!
Remembered your channel randomly like literally 2 days ago. Great to see you upload something again! Hope you get a wider audience than just a bunch of anons.
Thanks, man!
My take-away of this video is the following: To become a philosopher, it is necessary to have a suit, never smile, smoke all the time and always look slightly away from people.
Being French and depressed is also a good idea.
Nice ? But kind of fiction bicture , of the philosophers as, whole a think ? ...
I love long iceberg videos like this, if you keep it up with videos like this you're bound to blow up
I’ve seen some pretty iffy interpretations of Nietzsche when condensed into a brief explanation, but this was honestly one of the best! The will to power can be confusing for some but you explained it very concisely in a way that many aren’t able too. Great video!
It might be a good idea to rethink whether or not this interpretation really holds up to textual scrutiny (it doesn't)
@@dariorivellini2159it does though
I was considering getting a minor in philosophy for a while now, and this dramatically increased my interest in the topic. The philosophical topics are covered incredibly well, and I love pondering my own perspective on each topic.
Yeah the more I delved into philosophy I found it more and more interesting, I just couldn’t figure out why any of it would matter other than being a way to express thoughts in a intellectually provocative way.
@@hank10111111is this a joke? Philosophy matters cause it dictates how we live our lives and how we view other people.
A person may view others as beneath them, due to some trait they think they have, that is a philosophy of behavior for that person.
A ceo may treat their workers worse or better, depending on their philosophy of business.
Philosophy defines how we all live and how we view the world. It is arguably the most important field of study for humanity(but that depends on your philosophy).
You’re definitely gonna blow up, this is really good content
Nick Land's entire career seems to be a practical joke played on academia. One could almost say the validity of his work is hyperstition.
The problem with Nick Land's work is that he's valued more by who promotes it and his own persona rather than it's content.
Nick Land's ideas really aren't that "out there" as far philosophy goes. The difference is that other fringe philosophers' ideas generally fizzle out on some niche blogs while Land's accelerationist view of Dark Enlightenment is spread around by certain political groups.
In academia Land isn't really influential at all. The number of philosophers who consider his ideas in their own work is laughably small considering his popularity outside of academia. Honestly he's not even the most influential of the CCRU ex-members.
@@keurigkeurig which one/ones of the ex CCRU members are more influential in your opinion?!
@@leeviwestman5219 definetely Mark Fisher and Sadie Plant
@@scriabinismydog2439I was sad Mark Fisher wasn’t anywhere on this iceberg. RIP to the goat.
This is very well researched. Keep making content like this and you’ll get bigger!
Thanks, man! I appreciate that
Except for the weird part where he associates nick land with scientific racism and the alt right for some reason. Probably just saw the word racism and ran with it
@@luisandrade2254 I was confused af too. This kid is less of a philosopher and more of a leftist trying larping deep thinking subject beliefs. From what I learned from his videos he’s literally just a “safe” leftist who likes philosophy
@@shepherdsson ah yes because we all know people interested in philosophy cannot have any political views whatsoever
I perceived wrongly that you had 750k subscribers( maybe one of the other worlds) but alas it was only 750 which baffles me since you show great details in your videos and understandings. Keep up the good work ol chap, we are here for you and your breaking mind.
Thank you Fat Jo. I appreciate your kind words
He will be soon. This guy is certainly deserving of recognition in my eyes
I couldn’t have asked for a better briefing on these topics. Some of the under the iceberg concepts you talked about were completely new to me, but your description of each was both intriguing and helpful, thanks for listing the different philosophers or even other videos! good stuff
now that's some top tier philosophy content I haven't seen in a long time
I have seen a bunch of philosophical channel here, but it's the first one in a long time that fell both refreshing and interesting. Nice content, keep it up !
I think the "Tribute explains Hyperreality" means the Tenacious D song tribute, being a a tribute to a supposed best song that they can't remember, explains hyperreality, in which the tribute to the greatest song is the greatest song.
GENIUS!
i didn't in my dreams expect this level of down-to earth knowledge. thank you for the examples too! this will get send around in my circle for a long while
I feel the tip of the iceberg should be determinism, consciousness and time. They are the 3 main topics that interest newcomers to philosophy (and those already interested).
This is the only iceberg video that managed to get under my skin more than I anticipated. Wow this is some wild stuff. Great video!
I find it surreal that former psychology professor, Dr Jordan Peterson, whom I debated and discussed many ideas and concepts with back in 2002, as become so famous. I found he had a lot of insightful things to say, but yet when it came to so many tenets of philosophy and culture he was often off the mark
I am actually curious on what things he is inaccurate about...
@@budicaesar1213 yeah, even the idea that he doesn’t understand “postmodernism” is a farce. He’s said and written multiple times that he knows the pairing of Marxism and postmodernism is logically incoherent. That’s his point. The people he is describing do not concern themselves with coherence.
It fascinates me that people are real all around the world. That sounds absolutely inane but it is what I experience. Everyone has lived an entire lifetime, and so many entire lifetimes intersect. So many are currently ongoing at this very moment. Every single person who exists currently does that very thing, exist.
Hey can I contact you on some social media like Instagram or Facebook?
@@chitranshsrivastav4648 are you asking me? or someone else?
The smug picture of Nick Land always makes me think he knows something no one else does or he is performing some grand scheme at the expense of everyone but himself. It reminds me of Gendo Ikari and the Human Instrumentality Project.
his grand catastrophic scheme is taking a lot of stimulants and being racist
Such a good video man. I’m a complete noob at philosophy and I wanted to get into it. Stumbled upon this video and now I’m interested in actually exploring. Listening from work. Keep making good stuff!
Thanks dude, I'm glad I could make your work day a bit more interesting. I have another long video dropping soon :)
Great video, not a personal criticism but more targeted towards the entire field of philosophy is its near totally western approach and ignoring fascinating philosophies from the east. I would love to see more Arabic, pre-islamic and east Asian philosophies included in these studies
The oneness of being a great place to start ;)
“The emptiness of everything” also covers a lot of post-structuralist ideas a few thousand years before the west figured it out.
The "Lemurian Time War" is something straight out of Metal Gear
great video, love how theres many things I wasn't aware of despite my masters in Philosophy. Biggest gripe w this video is finding out about the existance of Nick Land
actually fantastic, would love to see a psychology iceberg video!
Very well-done video and many insightful comments and interpretations regarding many of the philosophical notions of the variety of the great philosophers, like Spinoza, Hegel, Deleuze, Nietzsche, and so on
I discovered you because of the tier list video and stayed for the other videos . Please keep up the great work .
You definitly deserve my subscription and a lot more if you keep up this quality.
I just love those philosophical topics! :P
I love it how it all begins with the innocuous acquiring of useful and curious information, develops into more involved insights and it finally unravels into conspiracy theories and moonman talk. A true mini-history of the mind.
As a philosophy major, I found this video very helpful, because there is so much literature out there, and we all go down different rabbit holes, so it is nice to know what is more common knowledge and what is not so much.
hi! I'm interested in philosophy but I don't know where to start. do you have any book recommendations ?
@@luvvsammy i think it’s best to start from the beginning and read chronologically, start with plato and socrates, plato’s republic is a good place to start.
Damn can't wait for your channel to get the algorithm boost and the lemur time war becomes meta
Great video! I'm currently studying philosophy so I know much of this already, but it was still super fun to watch and I'm down for anything that brings more attention to philosophy.
Thanks Jude! I hope you're enjoying your program
@@duncanclarke Also thank you for suggesting so many other great philosophy videos!
Thank you for making this video, it encompasses so much philosophy.
Didn't know the ccru but it exemplifies perfectly one of Borges best fiction in fiction. In tlön uqbar orbis tertius he claims to have found a encyclopedia full of rules and stories to complex to have been invented by one group of people. He gradually diggs out the fascinating rules of an alternate reality that start to bleed into reality. He wrote this in 1950's if i recall well.
Its hyperstition all over. I have to research this. I desire to know this. Knowledge is power. Power is desire. Reality is now inaccessible without hyperreality.
Damn you! I was so sure to just spend a few minutes skipping through this and finally go to bed. How dare you make this actually really interesting and well-presented! Great video.
1:03:38
Okay, in plain English.
The associated side effects of technologization are personified by Thanatos, and Land associates these with chaos and destruction of order in society. The associated side effects of human, animal nature that predates technologized society, Land ties to Eros and a sort of "natural order." As the natural world humans occupy becomes insulated and evermore altered by machines and technology, people like Land who see this process in action will makes use of it. They will drive the direction in which future human society is further insulated, and further altered by machines.
He basically found the most convoluted way possible to say "the internet changes everything and it will continue to"
whats wrong with this guy
this was insane and I loved every minute of it.
Great video. Gonna take a stab at the land quote 1:03:38 I think this essentially a wordy way of describing AI taking over the world. The carbon dominium is supposed to be the biological domain of life or sentience while "machine plague" seems to refer to that domain being corrupted and changed into an abiotic existence. He also seems to say that this comes with increasing chaos, hence thanatos is referenced. The replicants of the nomad-cyberrevolution would then be the actual entities causing this shift, and it necessarily threatens humanity by marking a departure from it. He also connects this to de-territorialization, which seems to reference the "nomad" aspect of the cyberrevolution and how it will leave behind the sedentary, settled, immobile nature of humanity and how we maintain our existence. I have no clue what the macropod is supposed to be. Could be like the 'living system' of humanity, which would explain why it is "hacked" by the machine plague.
Ngl I havent read much land and generally think he is insane, but this kinda seems like a cool way to describe how tech and the internet facilitate transhumanism
I did NOT in fact find your channel through the debunk of the Simulation theory, and now I am beyond excited that it exists and can't wait to watch!!!
same!
Absolutely amazing explanations^___^ It's nice to find an iceberg explanation that is fun to watch and isn't riddled with nothing but the creators rants on everything..
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
This channel is slowly becoming my favourite
Hey I found your channel from this video and it was my fastest subscribe :D. Keep up the great work. I'm writing this comment just to flex on people by saying I was here before million subs. Love from Turkey 🇹🇷
Worth a like. Got me nose exhaling at as you can tell from the length of the video this is a long one.
Ok, i gotta say. I'm halfway through the video and I REALLY ENJOY IT MY FRIEND. You definitely earned a new subscriber. I'd love to see a video from you about Epicureanism btw, or Sartre's ideas, they're my two fav philosophers and I'd love to see some related content from you
especially thanks for the last part about opn & ccru, overlooked this plot somehow
actually, good job. initially was skeptical about this ..iceberg thing.., but you made it pretty clear and accurate; besides .doc with sources - a special delight.
Just some others ideas that could be explored in the video, opposing the materialistic point of view of the video:
- Saturated Phenomena of Marion
- Concrete Philosophy of Mário Ferreira dos Santos
- Animal perception of Xavier Zubiri
- French Spiritualism of Ravaisson, Lavelle, Bergson, Lachelier, and others
- Medieval dialetics in general
- Voegelin's interpretation of gnosticism and its consequences to politics
- Husserl's phenomenology in general
- The philosophy of Alfred Whitehead, which is way more profound than Russerl's atempts
- The structure of intuition as studied in Bernard Lonergan's Insight
- The ideas of Rosenstock-Huessy in general
- Schelling interpretation of Mythology and Revelation
- Ontology of Secret by Pierre Boutang
- The Reale interpretation of Plato works
- Gaston Bachelard's poetics
PS: You can find more about the relation of Hegel and occultism in general in a Voegelin article that I don't remember the name. And, besides the biased structure of the video, I liked it! Thank you for the content!
Olavo tem Razão
@@encefalord num é que tem mesmo? kkkk
What makes this video materialistic may I ask ?
I did not expect that I'd know any concepts past like level 3, but low and behold in Level 6 I come across a philosophical concept that I actually knew.
For those curious it was Nietzsche's eternal recurrence and the only reason I know about it is do to a great time loop web novel titlled "The Perfect Run"
great video! but you can really tell this iceberg is marred by the initial creator's overwhelming focus on a few pet philosophers -- heidegger, deleuze, and (most odiously) nick land. this comes at the expense of a wider range of more interesting views, like dives into Franz Fanon, Judith Butler/queer theory, Object Oriented Ontology/Actor Network Theory, ANY analytic philosophy beyond the idea it exists, Kimberle Krenshaw, ANY non-Western philosophy, Donna Haraway, ecocriticism, etc. When you're introducing the idea of 'praxis' on the bottom layer, you can tell something has gone wrong and the iceberg creator's sense of the topic is wildly out of proportion
I was also a little curious about the obsession with Land throughout the video. Its an internet list, so it doesn't completely surprise me they would be obsessed with a writer mostly popular with *(very specific)* internet subcultures
This list of philosophers is just theorygram-core
Surprising presentation quality for such a small channel
You manage to explain the hardest concepts in the easiest way, respect for that.
Just checked out your entire channel and your content is bussin!
Your comment is bussin too fr no cap
This was an amazing video! I especially loved it whenever Bataille cropped up as I am a huge fan of his work.
I do have one small point to make however. Early on when you were talking about Kantian deontology, it was said that the categorical imperative asks us to think if we would like the results of our actions if everyone did them. This is however, a misunderstanding of Kant. Kant did not care if you didn't like the results. What the first categorical imperative was, was:
Is it possible to universalise your maxim without it leading to a contradiction in terms?
So for example, if everyone stole, the concept of property would break down so stealing would no longer exist.
Or is it possible to universalise your maxim without it being a contradiction in practice.
So for example, if you wanted no one to ever help anyone, ever. You can universalise this without contradiction, but you cannot do it without help. So it fails the 1st Categorical imperative.
There was then the 2nd imperative, which was about respecting and treating other humans as ends in and of themselves. Instead of using them as a means to an end.
Awesome video.
I was researching to make one video in portughese with this Iceberg.
I am surprise and happy that completed first the philosophy's one
You made a Great Job!
"God is a Lobster" No need to explain, I agree
This is precisley what i needed. Information is gold.
Also surprised that some of Nietzsche's most famous concepts weren't on there like ressentiment or the genealogy of morals, but maybe they were a bit too obvious. Ressentiment in particular I think is still a powerful and compelling tool that's used everywhere from Hollywood films to Freud. Also from the prevalence of Nick Land it's obvious the the chart creator was more than a bit of a 4channer, though a 4channer who had an obsession with Guenon or Mark Fisher would have made a very different iceberg
I can’t believe this video is actually making me get into philosophy. WHY IS IT SO INTERESTING
38:24 The Russell psyop is usually understood as the British trying to replace Idealism since it was seen as a German philosophy
It was a British Idealism, Russell was part of it himself before turning on it.
Comment to push the algorithm cause this content is superb and deserves recognition.
Its so funny how through my own interests I've read some stuff on stoicism, a bit of nietzsche, some schopenhauer, and because of university work I know about the panopticon for example and these ideas at like level 4 (structuralism, poststructuralism, critical theory, postmodernism, marxism) which is interesting, I've thought they were not that highly appreciated. And also.. Hegel is so damn hard to read,I remember I had to make a seminar about some author which was talking a lot about hegels ideas and it was reaally hard to keep track of. Point being, this video made me a little more appreciative of my university, seems I've gotten a good start point for philosophy in my sociology classes 😊
Nick Land is dwelling in the abyss like the Lovecraft of philosophy
I love knowing things I can’t comprehend because I like thinking about it. Love the video btw.
great video, deserves a million views
Thanks bro! What an amazing video and a huge collection of further stuff to fill my insomniac times.
i can feel my brain getting huger by the second
Brain expanding meme
somehow i pronounced that in my head as "hugger"
i guess that just shows to go- i mean goes to show
One of the best UA-cam videos I ever did see - well done!
Considering the first few concepts, "Basing politics off of fiction" is probably more broad in scope.
Basing current politics and policies on whatever is currently the fantasy of what came before.
All societies throughout history function like this.
Ex: Athens believed they inherited their political sovereignty from the Minoan civilization. And the stuff in The Iliad and The Odyssey.
It made me think of Dreemurrism
What a great production. Keep up the great work.
I would definitely want your thoughts on antinatalism and your arguments against it in the future.
I have yet to hear a logical counter argument to anti-natalism, most are based in religion or selfish desires
@@temporalhitchhiker2152 Same here, I genuinely want to be convinced otherwise, but it's hard to find a problem with it...
Best I could come up with is that life and society at least have some small chance of evolving into some kind of utopia, in which pleasure can reasonably be seen to outweigh suffering. By not reproducing and eliminating human life, or even possibly eliminating all life through sterilization, this may simply be delaying the possibility of a "utopia" in the long run. We are not really sure how life develops and it's chances of doing so, but life may simply develop on earth again and create an immense amount of suffering through the process of evolution, until life either reaches the point of deciding to destroy itself again (perhaps infinitely), or finally does reach a utopia. Given generally accepted predictions that the universe is relatively young, it seems reasonable to predict that life could very well start over on earth, so it could certainly be seen as logical that maintaining life on earth and our current "progress" evolutionarily is preventing suffering in the long run.
There are issues with this argument I'm sure, which I would love to hear your thoughts on.
Haven't really convinced myself with it tbh, but I think it's at least a somewhat logical counter-argument...
@@MatthewAndThings This is actually a good counter argument. However, it is entirely subjective; it solely relies on a very small chance and not a proven possibility.
I believe that anti-natalism is very individualistic and can't be evaluated as a general thing people should support. The only reason this concept even exists is due to the false assumption that suffering is an absolute negative and pleasure is an absolute positive. If you think about it, the only reason we're here is due to suffering. Suffering is what drives change and improvement. In a world of suffering, change (into the direction of less but non-zero suffering) is the least an existence can accomplish. Whether you support this concept is entirely dependent on whether you have the strength to accept the state of the world.
@@vastoa Just to challenge the idea of suffering is a driving force for improvement, there are such instances where suffering isn’t that. Your death, death of others, inconvenient pain, other people enforcing suffering, these only change in respect to suffering, not away from suffering.
@@tf9956 Agreed. Plenty of meaningless suffering in this world...
But even in the cases of suffering being a driving force for improvement, the definition of improvement is this case is 'moving away from suffering'
It seems contradictory to claim suffering can be a good thing because it leads to reduction in suffering...
Surely a reduction in suffering being a good thing is dependent on suffering being an inherently bad thing.
Your about to blow up my friend Goodluck with your career on youtube
So Nick Land, Georges Bataille, and Hegel are peak philosophy...
I think the meme is just suggesting they're the most obscure / difficult. But who knows, maybe that is when philosophy peaked.
It’s obvious the iceberg was made by someone who’s entrenched in leftist/modern thinking
This video is really cool. I was interested is getting into philosophy, and now I have ones I'm interested in checking out.
Thanks man. Nice lats btw
@@duncanclarke thanks 😊
I love how the second half is 80% Nick Land.
This video was the perfect material for my current depressive episode. Im almost ready to take a shower. Ty
this whole time i thought the lemurian time war had to do with the hypothetical lost continent of lemuria, said to be the ancestral homeland of lemurs as well as 10 foot tall, lanky, nocturnal humanoids living near mount shasta, california
That's what I thought initially as well, since I had read a bit about Rudolf Steiner and some of his ideas about the lemurians. From what I can tell the lemurian time war is just a CCRU thing and there's no connection there.
@@duncanclarke also "adnillian eschatology" is sarah adnil's idea that the end of the universe will arrive when eros, thanatos, and oedipus complex combined will lead people to engage in such violent behavior that they'll roll (or "enmangle") all existing things, including themselves, up into a singular entity kniwn as the MONAD or the flesh MONAD
of course, sarah adnil is actually just an inside joke from an instagram meme account, because their audience couldn't tell the weird adnillian terminology apart from the actual philosophical and anthropo/sociological terminology in their normal memes
@@KishinAubrey Oh that's interesting. I skipped over that one since I thought it was just a typo of amillennialism.
this randomly came into my recommended, i didn't plan on watching the whole thing but now that i have, i feel like a genius.
Incredibly well made video for a channel with less than 1k subs
Much obliged, my friend
It may be small minded of me but I really appreciate your narrative NOT having music in the background
There are very few sound edits
I look forward to hearing more
I have to say that my brain is still in recovery mode from taking in so many high level, important ideas
i knew my brain was fried when nick land and the ccru appeared in excess
The lower levels of the iceberg are just Nick Land’s antics and I am all for it.
this is the content i come to youtube for..
met you on r9k like half a year ago, good to see your videos are doing well!
29:00 not that I agree with Freud here, but I’m pretty sure that this is where the superego comes in, or the part of your psyche that follows social norms and could cause you to feel guilt and shame, if I’m thinking of it correctly
Great video and i love that you included the source link.
I feel like while the iceberg is supposed to represent concepts from simple to complex, based on this interpretation it could just as easily by describing concepts from well known to obscure.
are you a native english speaker? "just the tip of the iceberg" is a phrase about obscurity. the concepts do not go from simple to complex.
@@looc546 this phrase exists in other languages too, for example in russian "верхушка айсберга"
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I read this entry incorrectly as Tribute explains Hyperstitions, the word in the previous entry, and thought it was refering to the song by Tenacious D. This worked in my head, cause it was just a comedic song written about another song that was the best song in the world, and over the years, it itself has become refered to as The Best Song in the World.
Just want to add since you said you weren't sure, referring to the Basing Politics Off Of Fiction one they were probably also referring to people who say things like their side being dumbledores army fighting the other side who are voldemorts deatheaters, comparing a real world tragedy to thanos' snap, equating real world reproductive rights discussion to a book where women are kept as breeding slaves, thinking Joker was going to cause an incel uprising, rebels vs the empire, fellowship vs sauron, ryan gosling being literally me. It happens a lot in internet political discussions.
Keep up this top quality of work and you'll make it big 👍
Thanks!