The ppls Hex is a Fission in lighter weight. Ppl dont mess around with weights enough. My sweet spot for weights is about 172. When I want a "Detour" but prefer the feel of the Hex. I got for Fission plastic at about 164. It will turn, (with some fight back) and "season" faster.
There's no comparison between the two. The Lizottl is the best neutral mid in all winds and you can crank on it like a high speed driver. The glow Detour is the turning or hyzer flip complement. I've gotten 384 with the Lizottl and 390 with the glow Hex. There's not much difference other than the line I want
I've been subscribed since you had Scott Stokely on and he helped your BH form. I try to like every video you put out and comment when I have something to say. I really appreciate that you grind these YT videos, keep it up man!
I'm actually huge fan of these new Conrad lineup + Nomad. Detour and Trail are insane, and i would recommend them to anyone. The MVP/Axiom mid range lineup is so strong. Thanks for the review! I love your smooth form!
You just confirmed for me that there is space for both of them in my bag. I just got my hands on the mothman and was out throwing them on a course today. And a Total Eclipse Hex + Mothman is just a great combo-mid workhorse
I know this isn’t a form video but couldn’t help but notice how smooth these throws are. In particular the disc kind of slots into the line at the back of the reach back and then sticks to the line of play like glue all the way to release. Really jealous of these super accurate throws - any tips on how to do this consistently?
Without being committed to an MVP/Axiom/Streamline bag, (I bag 8 different brands right now), I still have both a Hex and a Detour. I am, however constantly surprised every time I end up forehanding either my old Skulboy Hex, or the glow Dracula Hexalotl. It just wants to push straight.
Great video, good to see someone giving serious effort to invest in their channel and content. I think that Hex in Neutron is quite a bit more neutral. Eclipse tends to make everything more overstable than Neutron. But one thing that helps for me, is now I know that if I want a Detour that doesn't turn over every shot, then an Eclipse Detour is the one I need to bag. So with that, I'm going to use your link and head over to DGDUSA. Thanks again.
Sweet haven't got out with the new detours yet and figured they would be a bit more stable. Ive always wanted a lizotle but never picked one up and now i dont think i will.
Cool video! I'm a huge fan of MVP/axiom's midrange lineup. I'm not sure what your objective was with this video - like you pointed out, the eclipse hex's are definitely a tick more stable than a neutron hex. I think it would have been more interesting, for the sake of comparison, to make a video comparing the detour to the neutron hex, or even to a fission hex - which are typically a bit more understable and may have made a better comparator. I don't think simon even throws lizzotle's/eclipse hexes. Obviously I know you don't have access to unlimited discs.
You gotta give newer zenith runs a chance! I love the original zeniths! They are flat and overstable i forehand the crap out of mine. The new ones are not at all like that. Some newer zeniths looks like a trail from the side. Flying fajita did a good vid on them I believe.
James Conrad line is the best in the business IMO it’s the only one that rivals McBeast. Zenith is an amazing driver, Detour, Terra & last but definitely not least the Trail! I’ve never seen anyone compare a Zenith it to the wraith.. why compare discs with different flight characteristics to each others.
the lizotte hexs are the most stable hexs though. but ya detour is way more glidey hex is my straight flyer detour is turn over that just holds forever
Never thrown a lizzotl hex but I have thrown fission/prism proton/eclipse glow Hex, the fission is considerably less stable and the prism proton/glow are very similar to eachother. I feel like calling the hex too much disc for people of equal or less arm speed than you is a mistake. Maybe the lizzotl hex, but the one's i listed above my wife can get about 250 out of and she's only been playing a few months. Hex is definitely useable for all arm speeds, maybe just not the lizzotl hex.
I think you’re throwing the wrong hex. The lizottle hex is definitely a bit more stable. Try a fission hex and you’ll get the flip up and carry you’re looking for. Comparing the two, my broken in fission hex (176g) has the same flip up and carry as my eclipse detour the difference being the hex will still have a little fade at the end whereas the eclipse detour has a flat/straight finish for me when thrown on a good amount of hyzer
I love your content. But i think you're missing the most important disc to compare these frisbees to. The peoples Hex is the echo. Everyone sleeps on it because of it not being overmold... The echo is the best straight midrange in MVPs lineup!!
For some reason i remember not liking the echo! I have the otb run and actually traded it in for used rack discs lol. my form is better now though maybe i should revisit it
I'm a big fan of the Detour, and with my way lower arm speed, it's still straight and glider with a little fade and the very end. Tech question - are you using the Hollyland lark mic? It s I understand good. What are your thoughts?
these discs shouldn't be compared honestly. they are nothing like each other. The detour is an low-arm speed endlessly flipping mid, the hex is a full power straight mid that never fades or flips.
This comment describes it perfectly. You can throw a hex if you don’t have the power and get a useful flight but it’s not the use it’s designed for. Likewise flipper mids have a place at higher speeds but mostly just make the midrange flight accessible at slower speeds.
The ppls Hex is a Fission in lighter weight. Ppl dont mess around with weights enough. My sweet spot for weights is about 172. When I want a "Detour" but prefer the feel of the Hex. I got for Fission plastic at about 164. It will turn, (with some fight back) and "season" faster.
I need to try a light hex vs glow detour
Agree. My sweet spot is 165-170. Lightening my disc weights helped my game tremendously.
Yeah i forehand my hex. It goes dead straight for any FH below 80% power, its fantastic
There's no comparison between the two. The Lizottl is the best neutral mid in all winds and you can crank on it like a high speed driver. The glow Detour is the turning or hyzer flip complement. I've gotten 384 with the Lizottl and 390 with the glow Hex. There's not much difference other than the line I want
You have a bigger arm than me by at least 50 feet! Would recommend hex for your arm certainly
I've been subscribed since you had Scott Stokely on and he helped your BH form. I try to like every video you put out and comment when I have something to say. I really appreciate that you grind these YT videos, keep it up man!
@@doublethomas8415 thanks for your ongoing support! Ill try to keep improving. 🙃
I'm actually huge fan of these new Conrad lineup + Nomad. Detour and Trail are insane, and i would recommend them to anyone. The MVP/Axiom mid range lineup is so strong. Thanks for the review! I love your smooth form!
Thanks for watching! Working hard on the new form....
You just confirmed for me that there is space for both of them in my bag.
I just got my hands on the mothman and was out throwing them on a course today.
And a Total Eclipse Hex + Mothman is just a great combo-mid workhorse
I completely agree!!
I know this isn’t a form video but couldn’t help but notice how smooth these throws are. In particular the disc kind of slots into the line at the back of the reach back and then sticks to the line of play like glue all the way to release. Really jealous of these super accurate throws - any tips on how to do this consistently?
Watch my last few videos I've been working hard on my technique! The simon says series will show how far I've come
Lovely content! Cheers from Denmark
Thanks for watching!!!
This is like comparing a Buzzz to a Meteor. They just fly different… 🤘🏻
Big facts!!!
Discounted MVP/axiom??? Huuuge! I love your calm and concise commentary
Thanks! Yes I'm hyped on the discount :)
Great video bro. Keep crushing 👊🏾
Without being committed to an MVP/Axiom/Streamline bag, (I bag 8 different brands right now), I still have both a Hex and a Detour. I am, however constantly surprised every time I end up forehanding either my old Skulboy Hex, or the glow Dracula Hexalotl. It just wants to push straight.
Seems like a buzzz - buzzz SS type of situation.
That's super valid! Good take
I have to wedge a mold between my Hexes and Detours. That's how different mine are.
Great video, good to see someone giving serious effort to invest in their channel and content. I think that Hex in Neutron is quite a bit more neutral. Eclipse tends to make everything more overstable than Neutron. But one thing that helps for me, is now I know that if I want a Detour that doesn't turn over every shot, then an Eclipse Detour is the one I need to bag. So with that, I'm going to use your link and head over to DGDUSA. Thanks again.
Thank you for supporting my videos! I'll have to try neutron Hex.
Cheers!
Simon doesn’t bag the glow hex. He bags a neutron which flies way different than his glows
Agreed I bet his is flippier. He throws the watermelons
I love my Detour!
Me too!
I'd like to see you review the latitude 64 fury and recommend the most similar MVP family disc
Sweet haven't got out with the new detours yet and figured they would be a bit more stable. Ive always wanted a lizotle but never picked one up and now i dont think i will.
It's too beefy for me. I personally like other molds in that slot better
Cool video! I'm a huge fan of MVP/axiom's midrange lineup. I'm not sure what your objective was with this video - like you pointed out, the eclipse hex's are definitely a tick more stable than a neutron hex. I think it would have been more interesting, for the sake of comparison, to make a video comparing the detour to the neutron hex, or even to a fission hex - which are typically a bit more understable and may have made a better comparator. I don't think simon even throws lizzotle's/eclipse hexes. Obviously I know you don't have access to unlimited discs.
I would like to see you get your hands on an eclipse Uplink and throw it some
I have proton uplink and that things are certified FLIP DAWG
@@IceBergTV the eclipse Uplink is easy slow turning distance at about 65% power
@@warrenburns4998 sounds similar to my proton
Enjoying the content! Would love to see more forehand videos. If you ever want to review someone's form, I would be game.
I have some good tutorials already up on the channel. My most viewed video is like a 300k view forehand Tutorial
I think it would be very valuable if you would throw different plastics of the same mold so we see how they fly. Thanks.
You gotta give newer zenith runs a chance! I love the original zeniths! They are flat and overstable i forehand the crap out of mine. The new ones are not at all like that. Some newer zeniths looks like a trail from the side. Flying fajita did a good vid on them I believe.
I need to check it out hopefully I can find a domey one
The Innova Jay is a great pick between a Hex and Detour.
Ive never thrown the jay!
Detour is the first mid I got to 300ft in an open field!
One disc: Echo.
James Conrad line is the best in the business IMO it’s the only one that rivals McBeast. Zenith is an amazing driver, Detour, Terra & last but definitely not least the Trail! I’ve never seen anyone compare a Zenith it to the wraith.. why compare discs with different flight characteristics to each others.
the lizotte hexs are the most stable hexs though. but ya detour is way more glidey hex is my straight flyer detour is turn over that just holds forever
Max weight fission hex is one of the more stable versions.
Good to know thank you!!!
Never thrown a lizzotl hex but I have thrown fission/prism proton/eclipse glow Hex, the fission is considerably less stable and the prism proton/glow are very similar to eachother. I feel like calling the hex too much disc for people of equal or less arm speed than you is a mistake. Maybe the lizzotl hex, but the one's i listed above my wife can get about 250 out of and she's only been playing a few months. Hex is definitely useable for all arm speeds, maybe just not the lizzotl hex.
maybe ive been fooled by the lizottl lol
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James conrad pad
Full weight Neutron Reactor is better than the Glow Hex, especially for forehand.
I think you’re throwing the wrong hex. The lizottle hex is definitely a bit more stable. Try a fission hex and you’ll get the flip up and carry you’re looking for. Comparing the two, my broken in fission hex (176g) has the same flip up and carry as my eclipse detour the difference being the hex will still have a little fade at the end whereas the eclipse detour has a flat/straight finish for me when thrown on a good amount of hyzer
i need other plastics you might be right
I’m a 95% forehand thrower and can’t get the Detour to work yet for me. The hex is great on forehand.
More hyzer!!!!
I love your content. But i think you're missing the most important disc to compare these frisbees to. The peoples Hex is the echo. Everyone sleeps on it because of it not being overmold... The echo is the best straight midrange in MVPs lineup!!
For some reason i remember not liking the echo! I have the otb run and actually traded it in for used rack discs lol. my form is better now though maybe i should revisit it
I wouldn’t call that hex old lol it came out last year if anything the first one they came out with for Simon is old
Hahaha 1 year is old nowadays I guess
@@IceBergTV I mistyped I meant to say wouldn’t because you said in the video old hex
@@austing7820 yeah true it's old news but not actually an old disc lol
@@IceBergTV agreed on that one
The eclipse hex is less stable than the total eclipse hex for sure.
Once they make the Roc3 in proto glow, it'll be the best glow mid
I hope it flies like the old champion 3x mcbeth roc 3. Those are lasers!!!
I'm a big fan of the Detour, and with my way lower arm speed, it's still straight and glider with a little fade and the very end.
Tech question - are you using the Hollyland lark mic? It s I understand good. What are your thoughts?
Foot fault
these discs shouldn't be compared honestly. they are nothing like each other. The detour is an low-arm speed endlessly flipping mid, the hex is a full power straight mid that never fades or flips.
This comment describes it perfectly. You can throw a hex if you don’t have the power and get a useful flight but it’s not the use it’s designed for. Likewise flipper mids have a place at higher speeds but mostly just make the midrange flight accessible at slower speeds.
The molds are extremely similar in my opinion! I agree hex is better for the power throwers
love the video bro. I would love to see you play a glow round at night. Very little glow content on youtube.
I could try but it's hard to film glow i can imagine lol
I skip the Hex and just throw a Detour and a Reactor. I think they make for a better pairing.