Final Dance of Deduction | The Great Ace Attorney 2-5
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2021
- Looks like it's time to truly step up for the deductions. Spoilers, obviously.
It also looks like my video was having slight encoding issues for some reason, but whatever. - Ігри
They're probably the best reinterpretation of Holmes and Watson in modern media. I didn't care at all for Mikotoba when I started DGS, but now I love him as much as I love our quirky detective friend.
THE GUY TAPDANCES
LIKE DAMN
They replace Watson with Mikotoba, and kind of change his role upside down, so I cannot fully satisfied with this scene though the music and puzzle are well done.
@@gearcomNPG They don't really change his role, though. Watson was always the voice of reason for Holmes' less than savory qualities, and the gateway for the reader into the mysteries the stories presented.
Having Mikotoba point out and complement Holmes' logic on the spot would make sense for a more experienced version of Dr. Watson in any media, because contrary to popular belief, Watson wasn't dumb by any stretch of the imagination in the original stories, he just didn't have Holmes' superhuman deduction and awareness. With Holmes steering the deduction and letting Mikotoba fill in the details, it shows how much they understand each other, even after all this time appart.
@@-penta-1357 Perosonally in this scene here they Nailed both Holmes and Watson from the Books ... this is exaclty how it works in the Books .. Mikoba Watson even giving out all his comments over what Holmes says great ... i had goosebumps while playing this
@@gearcomNPG if you knew anything about watson from the books you'd have a hard time saying that unless you wanted to lie
This scene was just perfect, the moment you realize he was just playing around with Naruhodo and then shows his real genius around Mikotoba... just brilliant, they nailed both characters and it truly show how much they love and respect the originals!
Even more so when you realize he messes around giving Naruhodo and co. to catch up to his reasoning with suprising speed
I actually began suspecting Sholmes was tooling with Naruhodo during the Harebrayne case when they found Drebor's workshop and he gave that astoundingly outlandish deduction.
@@InsanoRider777 I think the fact that he could come up with something like that on the spot is almost as good as him actually knowing what happened 😂
@@InsanoRider777 or when he overlooked that conspicuous ransom note in the wax museum
@@InsanoRider777
It helps that Herlock already knew he could disarm the time bomb; thus, he could waste everyone's time with the anti gravity device xD
For me, I realized that he was probably doing it on purpose during the Garrideb dance of deduction with the "lion rampage." It was so extra and ridiculously over the top, I figured something didn't make sense about his "so called deductions."
In this dance, we learn just how smart Herlock really is. He's been hiding this from the player all along! this moment is where they got the "dance" Part of the name from.
I just had a big, dumb smile on my face throughout this entire segment. That game was a blast.
yes, yes it was. the best ace attorney has ever been. The game had great twists, great characters, No bad cases, good motives and many more great reasons.
@@TheUltimateRare for once the third case was not bad
@@tiniracoon
Third case syndrome has been gone for a while. Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice had excellent 3rd cases too.
@@l.n.3372 also AAI2-3 was amazing
@@TheUltimateRareit’s so good. I think trials and tribulations will always be my favorite just for the impact it had on me, but man… resolve is so fucking good. It’s the best looking ace attorney, the best sounding ace attorney, the one with the best plot, the one with the least filler, the one with some of the best characters in the series. It’s just the full package
I'm glad this is how the last Dance of Deduction goes, with Mikotoba completing the "dance" with actual tap dancing that's so mesmerizing to watch
yeah it's easy to see where the name came from.
Not gonna lie the last thing I expected was to see a mostly reserved man bust out some Tap Dancing moves, but then Ace Attorney gives me this gift I never knew I needed
Herlock: I call it the dance of deduction!
Mikotoba: what if it had actual dancing! Like tap dancing!
Herlock: Mikotoba! You're a genius!
@@l.n.3372 the entire relationship in a nutshell
I find it so funny that I believed the true culprit case 1-1 was initially Mikotoba. I have never been happier to be SO wrong about a case.
Haha ouch, poor Mikotoba xD funny enough, you get an achievement if you say that Mikotoba is the victim during the Ryutaro case in Resolve. He's not happy when Ryutaro says that xP
"I pray that for once...my deductions are awry"
I thought at the start if the final case that Mikotoba was going to be the victim, I am so glad it wasn’t
But it is sad for who did end up biting the bullet in the end…
Not gonna lie, I cried while playing this because I knew that this would be the final Dance of Deduction (my favourite mechanic in these two games, possibly in the whole series). There would be no more after this.
And I'm glad that this final dance played out like this. The music, the added tap-dancing and of course, the way the Holmes and Mikotoba bounce off each other, everything about this scene is perfect.
The final cases are always the most difficult. Because you don't want the adventure to end but, my god, they're always the most astoundingly good ones. I put off playing the last case for over a week, but it left me practically jumping out of my seat half the time with how intense it was.
This, alongside Naruhodo's confrontation with Gregson in the last case of the first game and this game's final boss' breakdown were the hypest moments in the whole duology.
I like how you find out during this segment that Sholmes was messing around with Naruhodo all this time, especially as he says “No more games now”. He understands the urgency of the situation and doesn’t resort to making up false deductions to get his partner to chime in and hone his own skills
Yujin’s fedora is so cool
one of the best parts of the game
also shoutouts to the person credited as the tap dance motion capturer in the credits lol
Everything about this scene is perfect man. The music, the tap dancing, and the way they implemented the code was so smart
"No games now."
Definitely the last thing anyone expected from Mikotoba, from his minor role in DGS1.
*somewhere in the far distance , you hear someone playing a violin , and another person tapdancing. Surprisingly , it makes for a good duo. It fills you with the urge to play along.*
omfg undertale fans are everywhere pls stopp
@@santipenalver3136 aint gonna argue
@@santipenalver3136bro got offended over a video game 💀
As someone who has spent the entire duology having little patience for Sholmes antics, I will admit.
This is awesome.
I was smiling like a madman when I was doing this. Kinda made me like Mikitoba just as much as Sholmes.
As someone who has played every game in this series in full, this is one of the highlights of the series. Definitely one of the best moments.
I only need to play aai2 (which I have emulated) and PWvsPL, but so far, this moment is the one that knocked the wind out of me the most. There were moments where I just couldn't even play the game because I was in so much shock. I was outright screaming and kicking in delight. Only a handful of moments have had similar reactions for me, but this one, ugh, this one is so special.
No matter what opinion you had of the man from the start of the duology, Herlock Sholmes will always end up at the top of your mind by the end of it all. Its a common theme I see with various players.
First they see Sholmes as annoying, boring, etc. And at the end they go screaming for Sholmes to reveal his trump card.
What a madlad of a character.
Nah I loved him when I first saw a single pixel of him
This is my exact experience with sholmes
@@Insert_Name_Here908 I loved him ever since I saw him laugh
I went from hating his ass by the start of 1-2 to being astounded by 1-5, and it only went up from there
The best thing about this is that there is no correction, because Mikotoba fills in the gaps on hand as opposed to Sholmes trying to imitate him and getting it wrong, with Ryunosuke having to correct him afterwards.
While I absolutely love this Dance of Deduction, I must say that as a Brit, I absolutely love the very obvious modern £20 notes in his back pocket at 5:34
To their credit though, it is an actual £20 note and not like a Yen note to act as British pounds
Probably a presentation shortcut. You can't examine things in this sequence, so they had to make it immediately clear that it was money
*tap dancing intensifies*
"Im done for..."-Jigoku
Gosh, this has to be my favorite part of the entire game. The music, the atmosphere, the comradery....it feels as if all the great deduction sequences prior was all for this singular pivotal moment of awesomeness. Mikotoba went from a background character that I didn't care much about to easily the top of the list for one of my favorite Great Ace Attorney characters
Ok, everyone is saying how awesome this scene is, which is true, but also, consider this:
Jigoku is inside the trunk the entire time listening. What the hell does he think is going on when Mikotoba starts tap-dancing?
One of my favorite parts is that during the entire final dance, Sholmes never opens his eyes unless he's:
Asking Mikotoba or Strogenov a question
Pointing/Looking at an object that needs attention
or Answering one of them.
He's relaxed and fully in control of the situation.
Man Mikotoba, you don't have to Tap dancing to be as badass as Sholmes. You are already a badass.
EPIC TAP DANCE!
SPOILERS:
If there's one thing I've noticed throughout this duology is that the only interaction Sholmes had with the "final boss" was in the courtroom. It's almost as though he had underestimated the great detectives abilities from the start, hence led to his downfall.
indeed.
He probably knew he was the Reaper and if he drew too much attention, he could've gotten killed or accused of a crime to later be prosecuted by Barok which leads to death anyways. That's what I imagine happened.
@@cpu1639 It's a good thing Madam Rosie's alright then. lol
@@enigminator3578
That escapade case was hilarious. If we assume that this escapade and the London side DLC are both canon, then Herlock and Iris definitely escaped the Reaper curse lol but that's probably because all charges were dropped against both, so they never really got a verdict anyway.
Spoilers:
If I remember correctly, during the beginning of Return of the great departed soul, when Ryunosuke says that he needs to ask Stronghart to allow him to serve as a lawyer in court again, Herlock says that Stronghart is "not his favorite fellow." Or something like that. It's like the first time Herlock even mentioned Stronghart directly by that point in the games.
But it makes sense when you think about it. Herlock never really knew Stronghart back then: Herlock was only mainly associated with Mikotoba. Perhaps Herlock met Barok during that time, because he acts very informally with Barok nowadays, as though they were already familiar with each other. But Herlock likely never directly interacted with Stronghart for those 16 years. And why would he? Stronghart was a prosecutor before becoming Chief Justice, and Herlock doesn't actually attend court/trial proceedings until Ryunosuke arrived in town. Everything that Herlock deduced about Stronghart was completely behind the scenes. It's likely that Herlock never even met Stronghart in person until case 5 in Resolve.
I love this scene so much. It was so hard to play. Not just because the deductions are hard, but because I was *losing my mind!*
We got to see the legendary pair at work! Sholmes finally not holding back! I was like "why is this deduction so much harder?!?!" as Sholmes led the way and knew every answer.
Then I get an answer right and TAPDANCING?!?! I had to take a moment to sit there in shock after that first one. I was gonna screen record it, but I genuinely took to long to recover to get the first one in full lol.
Also maybe this ship isn't everyone's cup of tea but mmmm...the homumiko material in this was through the charts.
I finished the game craving MORE. We really only got a glance of the legendary pair together and ooooh it was so sweet.
For any who hasn't, I do highly recommend reading the fic The Legendary Pair on ao3. It really fulfilled that craving. It's the best tgaa/dgs fic I've read so far and I can't see anyone topping it anytime soon.
What’s funny I consider this the easiest dance of deduction
when I did the first deduction and saw him tap dancing, this entire dance of deduction immediately became one of my favorite moments in the game
it seems all of the GAA 2 budget goes to the tap dancer alone
If anyone can get me the name of the theme used for this Dance of Deduction I would be eternally grateful. Genuinely.
Partners ~ The Game is Afoot!
@@Hinkles You're the best, thank you!
An arrangement is included in the HD collection of The Great Ace Attorney Chronicles, just in case you wanna hear a different version of it!
It's called " Partners ~ The Game is Afoot! Let's Dance, My Dear Fellow!"
How are you supposed to know what the code of the trunk is?
Flip the sailor's tattoo upside-down, so you could see it from his perspective.
(S)Holmes says "Dont move a muscle, my good seaman". That's your hint that your clue to the safety's combination is in the pose Tchikin is doing (the writing on his arm)
The sailor's "Sholmes" tattoo is actually the combination to the trunk, but you are seeing it upside down. Once you turn it around, "Sholmes" becomes 5231045. The "m" in Sholmes is even drawn in such an awkward angle so that the player realizes it's actually a 3 and not an m.
How on earth did the Japanese version get away with the tattoo clue? It worked for the localization because of the English name Sholmes - which looks like an upside down version of 5231045. But in the Japanese version, was it still written in English on his arm as "Holmes" or was it written in kanji?
@@l.n.3372 It was in English. Its not as if Japanese people are unaware of the English alphabet
I know people keep saying Holmes was faking it, but... I don't buy it. I just feel as if he's best in his element with someone who can keep up with him from the start. Naruhodo and co. were slower, but I still feel as if that, without them or a similar grounding force like Mikotoba here, Holmes never would have found the truth in more than one of his great deductions.
Truly, follow his actions in GAA1-2. His anger and frustration at the fact that snakes don't drink milk, or could not climb up the bell rope. Let's not forget to mention the references to the enigma of his memory, such as the fact that Holmes in other media forgets things like the Earth being round because of it making it difficult to remember details from his cases. And let's not forget that he left a time bomb at SEVEN SECONDS LEFT because he got swept up in the fancy of his so-called great deduction.
In truth, Holmes (yes, Holmes. Not Sholmes) is certainly a genius. But his logical thinking is a mix of abductive and deductive reasoning. He gets swept up in the fancy of getting to the truth that he will often forgo fact-checking in search of a conclusion. He is characterized as a scatter brain, in his design, as well as his behaviors (such as wearing a deerstalker for it being wearable in either direction due to its double brim, as outright stated in escapades. or his bold, somewhat reckless attempt at making himself a redhead so he could keep up with the rent.) and I don't think that you can just take that all away, all his characterization, by saying he was just faking it.
Holmes is a brilliant mind, but he needs someone to ground him. And no one has quite been able to ground him- relate to him, bounce off of him, WORK with him- as Mikotoba has. Ryuu was able to adapt to Holmes, but Yujin needs no adaptation. He knows Holmes. He knows his methods. And Holmes has no quandaries in sharing the torch with his good friend, Yujin, rather than waiting to pass the torch, as he did with Ryunosuke.
No, he was definitely faking it; or rather, he was *playing the fool for Naruhodo's benefit* , which would explain his silliness like not knowing snakes don't drink milk or postulating that a device can reverse gravity. He wasn't faking his quirkiness, but he definitely does a good job of hiding how that quirkness could serve him well. Those were all beautifully calculated moves, because they serve a single purpose: they force Naruhodo to OBSERVE, not just see. By putting forward an obviously false theory that puts a particular detail or a set of details in the spotlight, Naruhodo is allowed the fortunate means to see the deduction through from start to finish without needing to do it all himself, which would be difficult if not outright impossible. When Naruhodo gets it right, Sholmes says "INDEED!" or "Quite right!", not because he was pretending to know all along, but because he's glad Naruhodo managed to figure it out, and wants to confirm that Naruhodo is indeed on the right track.
Sholmes/Holmes has also, time and again, established that he was ahead of the curve, implying he's already several steps ahead. We NEVER see his deductive process when Naruhodo *isn't* around until this exact segment of the game(with Yujin), so it's easy to overlook this.
Spoilers:
Look no further than when Sholmes/Holmes began his work as a "temporary waxwork" in the Wax Museum. He knew that Naruhodo's investigation would *ultimately* take him there, because he had already formulated the connection to the Professor with that case. This was long before Naruhodo even KNEW who Enoch Drebber *was*, let alone of his connection to the Professor, or his potential motive.
and it's no coincidence. Sholmes/Holmes pounced on a dance of deduction the MOMENT it looked like Naruhodo was on the right track. This translates to him waiting for Naruhodo to FINALLY catch up.
It's all well and good to have a partner to bounce off of, but Sholmes/Holmes' frightening intuition, knowledge and observation is genuinely the real deal, but he's definitely been keeping a lid on it, i.e. faking it. All he needs are stakes that are serious enough, and he turns it on like one does a light.
@@optimaltt6070 all of your claims are assumptions, and there is nothing *actually* indicating that any of what he did in regards to his deductions were planned. Everything you say implies that Holmes' entire personality is faked. Thrown out the window. And I think that's just absurd. Not just his demeanor, not just his habits, but his reactions, the things he says and does, and everything about how Capcom characterized him. This isn't some big plot twist about who he is, like how Mikotoba was Holmes' "Watson" the whole time. There is nothing from the game *directly* indicating that Holmes' personality was deception the whole time. If the writers truly wanted to make you think that, I feel that they would've illustrated that in a way clearer than Holmes having a fluid Dance of Deduction with Mikotoba. But putting that aside for a moment, there are two more points to make. First, you bring up Holmes' presence at the wax museum. While you attempt to make all his movements and the jobs he takes seem planned, other jobs, such as Evie Vigil coming to him to find her husband, were certainly NOT planned, so we know for a fact that Capcom is not above orchestrating a seemingly-unrelated-but-actually-related Holmes investigation for sheer coincidence. But that's more meta, right? You want actual proof. Go ahead to the moment that Naruhodo shows Holmes Drebber's picture. His face turns white and he immediately directs them to enter the room where they can see what Drebber looks like, showing that he never knew that Drebber was a part of the case until Naruhodo told him as much. But you claimed he merely knew the PROFESSOR was involved, not Drebber, didn't you, so how does one explain that if he wasn't planning ahead? It's simple. There is no way on God's green earth he could have known the professor had ANYTHING to do with the teleportation scheme before the case started. The only link the professor had to the case on the surface was Enoch Drebber (whom we know Sherlock was not aware was involved) and the FTF headed by Courtney Sithe, but for Sherlock to immediately presume a stolen wax figure would be stolen simply because Courtney is involved in a case is absurd. Perhaps you can accuse all my claims of being conjecture, but so are yours. Holmes is not a God of deduction. He is a genius, but no deity, much akin to Barok van Zieks' reputation. However, earlier I mentioned two points, and this whole line with Drebber and the Professor was only one. You say that the only time we see Holmes with a faulty dance of deduction, but that statement is loaded in more ways than one. The only other time we see a dance of deduction AT ALL when Naruhodo is not present is when he does it with Mikotoba, and we only see that because of a perspective change. To claim he's only ever made false deductions when Naruhodo is present is, with all due respect, stupid, because Naruhodo is the protagonist from which we see the view of the games. It's not as if we are to flash back in time and see every case that Holmes solves and how he does it. Speaking of those cases, we already know that Iris is willing to embellish details when she writes cases other than the ones she's publishing out of the trunk with Mikotoba's logs. That's according to her own statements. The reasoning for said embellishments, aside from her identity as a little girl, is most likely due to Holmes eccentricity. Another thing is Holmes' word choice. The way Holmes speaks during his Dance of Deductions actually has nothing to do with Naruhodo, but a thing called Abductive Reasoning. I brought it up in my initial comment, but Abductive Reasoning is intentionally vague at many points for the sole purpose of being swift and coming to conclusions without any preconceived notions weighing you down for the point of freeing oneself from the restrictive mental block that is "common sense." Many joints in Abductive Reasoning's flow are intentionally easy to substitute for something else, such as when he's talking about the milk for the snake, he says, "That was just an example," ignoring the fact that there is no other food in the area, and the fact that the milk is what brought him to that conclusion. That is a facet of Abductive Reasoning. Also, "All he needs are stakes high enough?" What about a TIME BOMB? I brought this up, and the only way you addressed this in your comment was that he implied it was a gravity reversal device. But he still didn't bother to have it disabled until there were 7 seconds left, and he excused that as the cost of being friends with a great detective. How can any of THAT be seen as acting? But maybe he was faking it all. Maybe he did put on a false personality and an appearance of stupidity and clumsiness for an amount of time bordering on a year all so he could make Naruhodo observe. Maybe all that characterization was for nothing.
Listen, I do think that, to some extent, Holmes was definitely coaching Naruhodo. In GAA1-2, he discovered the earring in Asogi's hand long before anything else happened, and was eager to come to a conclusion that tied Nikomina to Asogi for that very reason. Due to Asogi being Naruhodo's friend, he did, of course, coach and direct Naruhodo at certain intervals where he needed to come to conclusions himself. However, when he does this, it is apparent. He speaks DIRECTLY to Naruhodo and straight up tells him "Get your shit together, it's time to expose the TRUTH behind Asogi's death" (paraphrased, of course) and this is when the song, "Reasoning Battle" plays. I do not think Holmes doesn't want to teach or help Naruhodo. But to imply that everything, all his mistakes, false deductions, and eccentric nature are false because of it is not only a huge leap, but it is damaging and dehumanizing. It puts him, as I said, on the level of a perfect God who can predict everything. And no character should be like that. Those characters are the worst ones you can write.
@@analysissel I think we got a hint , very strong hint.
Holmes said with serious intentions that " ... behind this lawyer there is a very great mind. My own."
Even Van Zieks replied "What are you trying to say?"
And it was in case 4
This is a very strong confirmation about Naruhodo being taught by Holmes
@@analysissel THANK YOU. I hate this concept that Herlock’s character was just fake the whole trilogy. It would kind of ruin him completely for me. He can be both a genius and a scatterbrain at the same time, it’s not impossible. The reason he’s in such good form here is because he has Mikotoba at his side, they complete each other.
@@HyperNacks Sometimes it takes someone smart to convincingly play the fool.
"No games now."