These Are the BEST Snow Cars for Winter from EVERY Manufacturer!
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#winter #cars #allwheeldrive - Авто та транспорт
19:17 Acura RDX/MDX
20:33 Audi Q5
23:05 Bmw X5
24:26 Buick Encore GX
25:18 Cadillac escalade vs Chevy tahoe vs GMC yukon vs Chevy suburban
27:53 GMC Hummer
28:15 Mercedes G-Wagon
28:55 Chrysler Pacifica
32:21 Dodge Challenger Gt
34:22 Ford "Mustang" Mach-E
34:03 Ford Bronco Sport/Raptor
35:58 Fiat 500x
36:41 Genesis gv70
37:16 Hyundai Santa Cruz (with the CVT 8spd)
40:27 Chevy Trailblazer
40:41 Honda Passport trailsport
44:26 Infiniti QX50/55
45:11 Jaguar F-pace
47:18 Jeep Grand Cherokee/Wagoneer and "wrangler"
49:03 Kia Telluride
50:11 Lamborghini Urus
53:26 Land Rover Defender
53:58 Lexus Nx350h
54:38 Mazda cx-30
55:27 Mercedes GLC/S?
56:13 Mini Countryman
56:28 Mitsubishi Outlander
57:11 Nissan Pathfinder
57:45 Tesla Model X/Y?
1:02:47 Volkswagen Atlas
1:03:15 XC60/90
THANK YOU!
Dang. No Toyota's.....😢
I love you
Thank you! Too much needles banter in the beginning!
God bless you sir
I’m 39. I’ve purchased 3 cars for myself and 2 for my mother. Every purchase was a nightmare of back and forth games. I can’t wait for dealerships to finally die off.
List starts at @19:25
I completely agree about the RDX. I have a 2011 with SH-AWD and I live in the Midwest. Last winter we got a late snow storm that dropped 7+ inches of snow. Now, my generation of RDX has horrible ground clearance but boy. Did it go right through the snow. I remember in the duplex complex at the time, the drifts were so high and it would go through them. I turned off VSA and it was so much fun. Felt like a true rally car. The second generation RDX has the cheaper AWD system and I wouldn’t trust it so I’m glad the third generation went back to SHAWD.
Thanks guys. This is perfect timing. I live in North Lake Tahoe and we get dumped on. I’m always on the hunt for the best vehicles and setup for the weather.
Winter is coming!
I love the selections I currently own the old platform form jeep grand Cherokee from 2011 to 2021 mines a 2013 and it does a really good job in the snow keep up the good work!!
I trust scandinavian NOKIAN TYRES HAKKAPELIITTA snow tires, have them on both 2019 Forester and 2013 GX 460, always looking forward for a good snow storm to drive. I’m surprised there was no mention of Subaru and you barely brushed the GX. Up here in The ontario highlands/muskokas, Subarus are the number one choice for city dwellers to access the cottage/cabin in the winter.
Can't wait to see more snow testing at tumbleweed.
I love the Dual Clutch in my 2012 Jetta Sportwagen TDI. I still have a yearning for converting it to a manual, but that is not a slight against the DSG trans at all!
Whether or not to get air suspension depends upon your access to a heated garage. You get some moisture into that air suspension system and suddenly it doesn’t work in the cold anymore.
Thank you for calling out the dealerships. 🎃
In Norway, all season and A/t are not considered winter tires. It’s illegal to have something else than dedicated WT. And they make a huge difference.
Sounds silly to make that illegal, as much as they're helpful. Where I live in the states, we get plenty of snow (49 inches or 120cm a year average), and it's so cold that when it snows, it stays on the ground for months. Most people don't use dedicated snow tires, and for the most part people are fine.
But obviously these are 2 different cultures.
Great job guys !!! Thank you.
I have a 2008 GX470 in MN and it’s awesome. Like any good Minnesotan I run dedicated snows in the winter and I’ve been stuck ZERO times since 2019 when I bought it.
Just wanted to comment and say it's an excellent platform. A very thirsty excellent platform.
Every manufacturer except Subaru. It seems odd that was left out being how popular the Outback is in Colorado
I was thinking the same, they totally glossed over the outback and forester wilderness.
@@tomridesbikesPNW they ignore subaru bc subaru doesn't give them any cars
They did say they weren’t gonna get into crossovers
@@SammyDaBiz Subaru has more than crossovers. It did say every Manufacturer. Crosstek= crossover Outback =wagon Forester/ Solterra =SUV Impreza, Legacy = car BRZ, WRX= sports car
We didn't comment on cars we do not, or have not driven. Subaru won't give TFL cars.
Nathan "...your passengers are just steerage." LOL, too funny :)
Awesome 👏 video !!
I really like wagons for snow. Upper Midwest and Wyoming has crazy winds, and the lower profile is nice. The E 400 wagon is the best snow car I have owned by far. It has air suspension for a bit more clearance but if your cabin is down a fire road it is obviously not the vehicle. If the cabin is off a paved road the benefit of all the miles with a sedan/wagon outweigh the time possibly every 20 years or so where you can get high centered. Tetons get quite a bit more snow than central CO and no issues in 5 years.
Crossovers, SUV's, sedans, wagons, are all typically better in snow than trucks due to the light weight back ends, yeah once you load them down they do OK, but if you got a 2WD long bed truck with a heavy V8 or diesel engine under the hood they're quite useless in the snow unless you get enough weight in the bed LOL.
I have a lifted by 1” 2005 Outback XT (STi engine) with a manual and it’s a nice car to drive around. It’s the Limited with leather and heated seats. I’m looking forward to driving it in the winter.
You guys left out the Jeep Cherokee. Not the Grand Cherokee, the Cherokee. I have one with the V6 and AWD. Live in the mountains of SW Colorado have had no problems at all. Aaannnd, its $10K less expensive than the Grand Cherokee.
The 4runner and Wrangler always get a lot of love on the channel BUT I have a Grand Cherokee and think it is under appreciated especially with how most use their SUVs...on road and occasional dirt roads. Yes, no locking diff and unibody frame BUT way better on road performance, good size, comfy on dirt, optional V8s, way more/better tech/lux features offered compared to toyota, nicer interior, various suspension setups etc. Bargains when bought slightly used.
You also get the MTM and rear locker on the 4Runner TRD Off Road (edit) Premium trim
Great content
I ❤️ anything built around the word Cannonball! Be safe 😊
I'd like to see you get one of the 2023 Jeep Compass' with the new turbo engine they're using in the Hornet. The AWD system is pretty good on these to begin with so it would be interesting to see how it goes with proper power to weight. @Jeep lend them one!
The Audi 40/60 f/r split > Mercedes 4Matic. I had a 2015 Touareg and it was noticeably better than our 2017 GLC. The VW ran Continental Wintercontact si and the MB ran Michelin X-ice Xi3. If you are going to have a full size truck get a trim with auto 4x4. Its much better for snow, specifically when road conditions are a mix of snow, ice, wet, bare. Heavier vehicles are generally worse - turn worse - stop worse - and when you park it in the ditch you'll have that much more momentum.
Taking I-10 you will pass right through my hometown in TX! I don't recommend stopping there though 😂
I have a 2014 Infiniti AWD QX60…and drive it to Mammoth Lakes CA in blizzards and have never had a problem
My 2020 gladiator mojave does great in the snow with Cooper Snow C 50:53 law studded tires and a few hundred lbs of weight in the bed!
Well done Gents. Uhh, I know it's a little more cash but do this purchase justice and get the 5.7. Put Flowmaster outlaw exhaust on it. You'll get a lot of attention with it and it'll sell better.🤠 oh, and I think once you put BFG K02’s on your Ram 2500 you will absolutely find that truck with its limited slip rear diff is the best winter vehicle you’ve ever driven.
Instability from front/rear weight distribution of any pickup truck kinda takes them out of the discussion. Maybe the 4 door short beds are 50/50 thou
Couple more points for the JLU is it now has an optional 242 t-case with a awd mode and more importantly when you remote start it if it is below 40 degrees outside the seat heater and steering wheel heater automatically turn on. Seriously a life saver for 3rd shift workers
Thanks for the heads-up on this
I feel stupid asking...JLU meaning Jeep Wrangler JL? I'm not well versed on their designations but I like Jeeps...a lot of people I work with have Jeeps...a few Compasses and Cherokees, a bunch of different years of Wranglers and a Renegade or two. I'd take a Renegade probably because I don't want to give up too much fuel economy.
I agree on that last part of your statement...living in MN and working overnights, it's nice to stick my head out the door and start my vehicle before I clock out and change to go home. Car is defrosted and seats are warm when I get in....wish I had a heated wheel...
I don't have many requirements in a vehicle, but I think in my next one, heated wheel and seats, remote start, BLIS, and auto-dimming rearview are required.
I don't get the craving for remote start. Engines during idle are SO slow to create heat when started cold and the fuel consumption (especially on gas vehicles) are high.
Toyotas pwr heat does help somewhat though.
Why haven't aux heaters caught on in the states?
They are superior in every way except price (~2500 USD get's you the app connected one).
@@perpelle for myself it’s about getting the windows to start defrosting more than anything. Rear defrost, heated mirrors, heated seat all are electric so they heat much quicker than the engine. It’s never running more than 5 minutes before I get out there. And while idling does waste fuel, it’s truly an insignificant amount overall. I also drive somewhat efficient cars and not a truck or SUV so not only is the engine more efficient but it’s smaller so it doesn’t take long to warm up.
@@Mike.Macmyazka JLU means Jeep Wrangler JL Unlimited (4-door), JLUR means the Rubicon trim of the same vehicle.
Great show fellas
Good morning Roman n Nathan!!
Ordered a regular cab short box Ram as soon as I found out it is going to be discontinued. Hope you can get one. Would love to see what an affordable truck can do. I'm really sick and tired of the ultra-expensive truck craze at this point.
true. putting too much shit on trucks that should really just be for high end luxury sedans. But the tech is there so manufacturers say, 'why not'. And boom...you have an $80K truck. I'll tell ya why....BECUASE YER NOT THINKING!!!"
Nathan should switch to Honda Ridgeline from the Santa Cruise
He just got it
He probably will once new redesign Ridgeline comes around. We know what it pretty much looks like interior.
We pretty much know what features it will have. We don't know how they will outfit trims. Don't know what lift will be on TrailSport trim. I bet he will do some thinking about it.
He said Honda didn't want to budge on any deal. But he almost got current Ridgeline.
Forget the vehicles 🚗, it’s TIRES,TIRES,TIRES. If you have never driven a vehicle with %100 snow tires through a winter, try it, they are worth every penny.
How much of a difference do legit snow tires make vs all terrain tires with the snow flake severe snow rated symbol make ?
@@erickpina8802 a lot!!! All terrain and all season’s don’t compare…. I have Bridgestone Blizzak WS90’s on my 21’ Corolla and Bridgestone DM V2’s on my 22’ Venza
Yes, tyres do make the biggest difference on any car but good to know these cars
Haha winter tires don’t help get you through 6-12 inches of Wisconsin snow.
No shit Sherlock.
I'm surprised there are no Subarus on the list. They are on every snow car list.
I agree with Nathan on the Defender, having had owned a 90 in the snow belt. It’s amazing in the snow, that is, it’s off road tech is and I didn’t even have the rear locker in the off road pack. However, the tires mine came with, which are indeed the std tires on the off road pack, are horrendous in the snow. They were goodyear wrangler adventurers. They aren’t 3 peak rated in their all terrain category, and far from an actual snow tire. That’s why I went with the std street tires and without the off-road pack on my 130 order.
Ppl that don't drive electric cars don't notice that many of the charging stations are in more inconspicuous places like indoor and outdoor parking. There are more than people realize not as many as gas stations. But home charging offsets demand and also helps to decrease range anxiety ppl wonder about. I've had one for three yrs and charging concerns are not really a big deal
Hey Nathan@tfl too do know that you talked about the sante Cruz but not the Ford Maverick AWD
At the beginning, Roman mentioned that he was going to talk about his pick for snow . I watched thro the entire video & don't recall Roman revealing it. Can anyone tell what Roman's pick was? This was a wonderful episode.
I can only buy one vehicle that can’t be a truck or a specialty vehicle and I live where snow storms are always going to be an issue…4Runner.
I've had GMs, Toyotas, Suzukis, and Nissans.
My favorite traction control system is the Nissan. A 10 year old Xterra is great.
I got my 2020 Silverado LT crew cab 5.3L for 37k. When I got to the dealer they said the same thing, that it was a mistake and I started talking with the guy. After a few hours of talking and running my credit I managed to get it for the price that it said online. Dont give up people and if they say no then just leave.
I am still using my old ass Hyundai first gen Sta Fe up here in northern Iceland. Seems pretty holding well. I am jealous of car options in the USA though.
So so glad I don’t live in the snow ❄️ belt and can watch it on video
No, the range river isn't the only one with heated front glass.
My 2023 Sportage PHEV has those elements in the front glass too
@30:00 I agree with Roman about 50:50 split with first hand experience in Feb with crazy snow storm we had. No matter how good the Subaru AWD is (Had 2022 Subaru Ascent) with that kind of snow none of the modes could match 4WD with center diff locked on the 4Runner. Tires were not braking and loosing power finding traction. Both front and rear working together to push the car smoothly.
You should stream the whole trip 🤣
A recent video Audi Q7 and Q8 made it up to the top of the hill. Suv
Subaru finally made it up after. Multiple tries
VY Tiguan also made up
A Mitsubishi truck also did well
The raptor showed good control
good list. not many 'cars' but I get that youre going for your specific area so that makes sense. The bronco sport is great in the snow as you mentioned. I love mine and just run the all terrain m+s tires. Ive only ever run snows on my Ford Flexes, one fwd and one awd, and both were a beast in the snow. It took a long time for me to buy into the snow tire thing and I only ever drove sedans and no snow tires. My area has mild winters by my standards (I grew up and lived in the snow belt of Ontario where snow was much deeper and more intense storms and full road closures were common). I drove fwd and rwd, and found both were ok in heavy snow conditions with all season tires as long as you managed your driving and put weight in the trunks. AWD is definitely a game changer tho as far as bad weather driving. Those winters in a rwd 77 dodge were definitely intense lol
It's funny how opinions vary and needs vary. I have been in MN my entire life (3/4 of it in the Twin Cities and the other 1/4 in SE MN). I have been driving for almost 25 years now. Having only owned FWD cars I figured out pretty early on that snow tires were necessary given our winters. As much as I would like to see how AWD/4x4 does, I don't have a need (I value economy too much to give up even a few MPG). I'll gladly spend money on snow tires every 4-5 years seeing as how I can get 50-80k on them in that period of time and I can get about 60-80k on summer tires in that same period making the cost of owning 2 sets of wheels and tires relatively inexpensive (I drive a lot). Side note, I drive lowered cars (usually just springs so maybe an inch to an inch and a half max lower than stock...and barring any large ice chunks in the road, I don't have any issues...have damaged a few bumpers in the past....in fact, I believe the lower center of gravity in the winter is beneficial). I see a lot of AWD/4x4 struggling when I don't...but then I'm sure they aren't on winter tires. Would love to experience the combination of AWD and winter tires. I would probably feel invincible. And wind up in a ditch at some point becoming cocky. lol
On that note...I have always like the Flex and wanted one for both the space and also because I wanted the AWD 3.5 Ecoboost...but again...I value economy so I never jumped on one...there is one locally at a dealership that I keep eyeballing, but the price would have to come down quite a bit before I would say yes to it...plus it's right at that 100k mark and I don't know if it's had the waterpump serviced or not....I hear that can be costly...then of course I would probably just tune and modify it to make it fast and it wouldn't be useable for me.
@@Mike.Macmyazka I hear you. Both my Flexes were the 3.5 NA and were super reliable. I traded on the Bronco Sport because I want my final car payment to end before I retire lol the 2.0 is much quicker than the Flex was as you probably can imagine but the Flex was a fantastic vehicle. I have a messed up neck...long story...and getting into lower vehicles is now awkward for me...so I stuck with the SUV. But, I really miss sedans...my last one being a 2008 Sebring which was also very reliable and good in snow and had 377,000KMS when I traded it.
Dave Smith Motors in Northern Idaho had a couple Ram short beds when I checked l in stock right now.ast week. I know that the GMC dealer in Idaho Falls Idaho has 2 GMC single cab short beds
4x4 or 4x2? 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton?
@@wildbill23c 4x4 1/2 tons. Not aware of any company making a short box single cab 3/4 ton.
What about about the Qx80 with snow mode?
32:22 It’s funny they say they’d need to completely redesign the engine bay & mounts to make a Hemi powered AWD Dodge Challenger lol. I guess they forgot about the 2011-2014 Dodge Charger 5.7L Hemi RT AWD
One of my favourite cars in the snow would be the Fiat Panda 4x4.
Drove this as a rental car in Morocco. Let’s just say no one has ever driven quicker through the Atlas Mountains. At the end the dash was lit like the Christmas tree however… 🎄 😅
Stupid question 2002 sequoia 4wd limited good or bad in snow
Only Chevrolet offers Autotrac on pickups and SUV’s. This is an absolute game changer in the snow for these classes of vehicles.
Can confirm. Had a Chevy Colorado. When combine the g80 with the auto 4x4 mode and it kicks the shit out of my current Tacoma trd off road in snow and ice. If that Colorado didn’t have transmission/torque converter problems from day one I would have kept it. Such a better driving truck and way better 4x4 system in the GM than the Toyota.
Just go around the parking lots of all the Ski areas in Colorado in January and February and do a survey.
If feels like home with snow on mt Evans and longs peak again
a real life project and discussion. Amazing that the vehicle market became so screwed up.
My 21 Renegade Trailhawk is great in the snow.
Could you do a vid on Snow Tires?
Great music 🎵
Rented a 4Runer Off Road for a week at Vail in Jan 2022. Simply terrible driving 4WD on tarmac with the usual light glaze of snow & ice. AWD like my WRX is the deal for roads with snow. If you get 2 feet my advise is wsit for tge ploe
@TFLtalk I have an off topic question for you, Roman. I’ve seen plenty of videos regarding personal vehicles owned by Andre or Nathan or Tommy or Kase. But one thing I don’t remember ever seeing is a video of your own cars Roman. Do you only drive the company vehicles or do you have some of your own? Would you be willing to share what you have? Obviously I’m assuming you’re trying to be a proper journalist and not show personal preference but everyone has something they like or prefer.
Thanks.
Roman says he drives company cars or loaned manufacturer cars that he reviews. His last real personal car was his dad’s 78 Lincoln Mark V that he gave to Tommy who eventually donated it.
@@TFLtalk Grandpa hands the car down to son, son hands it down to his son, son hands it down to….
@@TFLtalk thanks for the response. I just realized after watching a number of videos that when he is out spotting things he's in company cars and he's never made any about personal so I thought I would ask. Again, I appreciate the response.
47:00 yeaaa!!! I saw how that off-road monster did on that “Truth or dare” trial. .. 47:29 My word. It did amazing b’y.48:10.
I loved the dealer rants. Because the manufacturer has to fix how they sell the product.
I wanna know what would happen if only patrons would be watching the videos
i watched both, the podcast and the xj at the ranch. worried what that says about me
I haven’t drove in the snow as much as you guys have. In my opinion the BFG KO2 is hands down the best off road tire for the snow.
I would buy the Toyota 4 Runner and Ford Bronco
Actually guys three phase power is available for homes I have it in my home I’m a licensed electrician my neighbor has it in their home to. It depends if it’s coming down your street like mines or like in Louisiana we have a lot of it. My 3 phase put in the 2002 when bought the house.
Just glad you all are running into dealer hassles trying to buy just like consumers! Thanks for sharing TFLs own issues with trying to buy a vehicle these days.
There's no way I would have a Fix It Again Tony
some of these are complete trash in the Canadian snow. We can also discuss the fact that half of these will also rust out by the third year of owning them but that's not the topic of discussion lol
I would take a Subaru Outback over any of the vehicles listed. Hard to beat those in the snow!
Why no love for the Landcruiser/Lexus LX? Basically a better 4Runner/GX, given it has full time 4wd, ontop of all its other off road equipment
So, what snow videos are you guys about to make?
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To be honest, every vehicle can handle the snow in winter. A good set of winter tires does the job. Or all weather tires for those areas that experience 2 or 3 snowstorms but have a great snow clean up crew.
The problem with today's society is that people think you need AWD for areas where it snows. It maybe true, but they don't realize that tires make a huge factor in winter. Majority get all season tires on their AWD vehicle and call it a day. Sure it may get you unstuck quicker than a 2wd vehicle, but when it comes to stopping and handling, that's when the tires make the huge difference.
I own a 2006 Accord and last year i put on the Michelin Crossclimate 2s. My area does get snow and a few times per year we do get snowstorms that dump at least 5 inches of snow. My car handled the snow with no problem. I drove the speed limit in the middle of a major snow storm while everyone with AWD was driving slow because they know their tires would not handle the heavy snow when it came down to braking.
The tire issue has been covered and covered on this channel. A few years ago they even done a test of some tires.
I don't disagree...I've only owned FWD cars and use winter tires...live in Minnesota.
With that said, there are always some cars that seem to be better than others. Of the ones I have owned, my 2007 Cobalt was probably my favorite. It handled winter so well compared to my 14 Cruze or my 16 Fusion. My mom has a 1st gen Honda Fit and even with all season tires, that thing does extremely well in winter and I can't figure out why...not sure if it's because it is so light (which seems backwards as so many people talk about heavier cars being better in winter).
I would like to try AWD and winter tires but I feel I would either lose confidence or become too cocky and that would cause me to have issues.
Your experience with other people is the same experience I have...I'm usually flying through the snow at speed or sometimes faster than I should be and I'm passing people who have AWD/4x4, but most of them probably don't have good tires anyway...I mean they have the mentality that AWD/4x4 alone will be good enough whereas if they add the winter tires, they'd be way better off.
As I said, overall I agree with you.
They have, but the problem is that people either don't realize how good winter tires are or they think they don't need them. I think anyone in northern states should at least try them once. I mean Canada has rules and Quebec requires winter tires for winter driving. I know plenty of people don't like mandates, but honestly, if you want to own a vehicle, you should be able to afford to buy winter tires and make sure your car has good tires on it to be safe...
But I'm not here to argue anything so I will leave it at that.
I don’t care what tires you put on my Honda accord hybrid it will still be a snow scoop. It is just to low to the ground
Word.
It's laziness.
People just want one set of tires.
In my opinion is just pure ignorance, especially if you live in places like Colorado.
AWD + all seasons might get you started when FWD + all seasons gets stuck but they are on a level playing field when they need to brake.
Countries in Europe that have four (real) seasons are demanded by LAW to have summer and winter tires.
I run studded winter tires on my hilux, it's so much safer.
As someone who drove a lot in WI in rwd vehicles with used all seasons, please please please buy snow tires.
V90 for Roman.
I disagree with all your choices. Get in a full size or Hd 4x4 truck most now have either a posi or a locker and some have lsd or locker’s in front also. And better ground clearance
will you be going through Phoenix?
Tucson
@@NathanDAdlen Cool will you be there long enough to greet fans? Probably not, huh?
@@perrinooo Sadly, we won’t be able to do a meet and greet. All of our stops will be as quick as possible, because we’re trying to get cross country in less than 48 hours.
The jeep wrangler has the DEATH WOBBLE, so I wouldn't get that either
1:08:00 wow my word lol
Why would you feature a Toyota twice to look at and not mention them? I mean, one Lexus is all the representation we get?
damn Roman, let the man speak.
no subaru?
People still use Craigslist lol?
Audi A4 Allroad?
The ghosting by dealer reps is rampant. I wish we didn’t have to try at all in my business
2 door pick up is over $40k brooo it's ridiculously over price get it right you guys 😪😪😪😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨🤥🤥🤥🤥
Don't buy a used truck. We can all get a used truck for less than $30,000. Buy the cheapest new truck.
4900 miles is NOT NEW. I don't care if it has been titled or not, its used, and its been a demo model AKA its been beat to crap in that short period of time, I wouldn't want it.
No subaru???
Suburban. Big, heavy, sturdy. Never gets stuck in snow.
Missing Subaru, went from Nissan to Tesla.
Thats why dealers are out dated and need to go. 🎃
Nissan/infinity has the jatco transmission and they are junk
When I buy a truck, it WON'T be a Chevrolet or Dodge or Gotta Mechanic Coming. I would buy a Mazda, Ford, Toyota or Nissan
I stopped watching when you said you didn’t have Subaru vehicles on your list. Sorry , but don’t worry, I am a regular viewer.
Every single one of these are unattainable by the average consumer.