I don't like separate GPS. I don't like to type in an address every time. On my phone, I just click on it. Besides, I don't have room to carry TWO devices.
I use my phone like you have, in fact I do it this way because I saw how you were doing things. Unless it fits the BMW cradle, I’ll just stick with my phone.
Using the Zumo XT on the bike will have you pocketing your very expensive and fragile phone. Trust me……..this is good. It’s too bad this great product has come as many have given up on motorcycle GPS. It’s got a large, bright screen. A million nice functions. Good connectivity. And waterproof! I like that it also pairs to Garmins IN-Reach satellite products….just in case. I use Touratech’s locking mount which isolates the unit from vibration and locks it to the bike. All this AND it’s STILL cheaper than the glitchy BMW Navigator on the R1250 GSA. Winner!
@@hungwasson1399 The Touratech mount comes with an extra bracket to facilitate vertical mounting but it takes a bit of time, tools, and fiddling with small hardware to switch from one to another.
I have previously always used Tomtom right up to the 550. I bought a Zumo XT, my first Garmin, and it is so much better than the Tomtom in just about every respect.
I had the old Zumo for 6 years, toured over 80 000 kilometers with it. It came with a pouch. I didn't use it once, it does not get damaged in your pocket unless you have keys or other hard/sharp objects in there, so no, the pouch really isn't necessary and You can't be bothered to fiddle with it everytime you step in to a shop either. I now have the version reviewed here and I absolutely love it. It makes motorcycling so much more fun and the adventurous routing option is a gem, that I personally think you should have gone into in more depth, as it is perhaps the greatest feature of the device. Also, coupled to this is the great function of "Round trip"... I can't praise the Zumo enough. Highly recommended. Apart from that, thanks for a great review. You do such a good job.
Just came back from a 14000 km Trip in Australia. From Brisbane down to Tasmania and back up to Gladstone. A windblast smashed my Samsung S10 from the pillion seat in Tassie which I used for my navigation. After that I kept on going with my Iphone 6s. So all good. Never missed a GPS System like Garmin. I recommend a second (spare) phone for verious reasons. Taking pictures amd filming for example and as a back up off course.
I have used the XT for 7 months a d have NO issues. I like to use it on the fly as my Honda DCT GPS won't allow it. The screen brightness is fantastic, the touch screen is sensitive and fast. As far as cost, I spent more on my 660 unit that the XT. I would purchase again.
I prefer the TomTom 550. Its normal price is $400 but I got it on sale for $320. It has lifetime world maps, traffic, and safety cameras. For a commuter the real-time traffic is invaluable. The traffic updates within 5 minutes of an incident occurring. TomTom also understands about the HOV lanes to help the motorcycle commuter. You can twist it to landscape or portrait mode while you're riding. It does not have all of the apps that Garmin has, but who cares? I can use apps on my phone. I like the separate GPS because the map display is always on even if a phone call or a dead spot or a music change or a notification comes across the phone.
Good video, thank you. At the end of the video you said you were from Romania. Back in 2002 I took a hill-climb racing car to Resita. I was co-driver. The main driver brought a car Garmin. Wires everywhere, aerial on the roof. Mapping was good until Hungary where it was a bit iffy. Got to Romania and the car symbol was out in the fields! We had to look at road signs again. Maybe things are better now. Beautiful country though. I'll go back on my Moto Guzzi when I have chosen a GPS. Cheers, John
I know I'm really late to comment on this but here goes... I've used Garmin since 2007 starting with the Zumo 550 and then the 665. I've planned detailed local and remote routes and the Garmin does pretty well. I usually flesh out my route idea in Google Maps on my computer because it's quick for that. Then I recreate the route in Base Camp, Garmin' s route planning software and once complete I transfer it to the Zumo. I've done several 2 week and even a 30 day ride relying on the Garmin through all kinds of weather. Nothing beats it. Phones are great, but they have drawbacks. They get hot when using the GPS constantly. And the GPS isn't so great with no coverage. Also, if you get separated from your bike in a crash and are injured or dump your bike and your phone takes a bad hit, you lose critical phone functions. But if you keep your phone on you and your Garmin on the bike, worst case is your Garmin is toast. Of course, if you have no cell coverage when this happens, the Garmin isn't going to save you. Oh wait, if you get their service, it can. You can send a text or SOS message. Pretty slick! I hardwire my Garmins to my bike's battery. It is not switched. Yes, it drains your battery, but they draw very little power. Unless you leave it in the mount and powered on for a few hours, you'll be fine. And while you're riding... not a problem, your stator has your back. I'm wondering if the bluetooth audio is better on the XT. I use a Sena headset and I often stream music from my phone. I have music loaded on the GPS, but you want something different, so Spotify or Pandora is nice when you have coverage. The problem I have is the audio quallity is iffy. I forget which connection sucks, probably the on board Garmin music to my headset. The phone connection seems to use a higher quality audio and I guess there's only one high quality connection? TBH, I'm not sure if this is the Garmin's fault or the Sena's, could be either. I used to use noise cancelling in ear phones, so I didn't have dual bluetooth going on and it was great. But those earphones fell apart on me (literally) and I decided to go wireless. Since covid, I've really not ridden much. Definitely need to fix that.
I have a Tom Tom which had to be hard-wired to my Honda CB500F as the bike doesn't have a pop in outlet. It has an anti-theft cradle that can swivel. Absolutely brilliant, still worthwhile in 2020.
I used an automotive Garmin on my bike for years and never got lost. I just smeared black silicone over the cracks and speaker holes to seal it for weather. Spent about $90, never regretted it.
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I have been using it for more than a year, and the XT an excellent GPS. Wi-Fi updates and you can make your routes directly whithout base camp. I do recommend this equipment. I use Garmin XP and as a redundancy Google Maps. It is the perfect combination to travel in South America!!!
A proper navigation system does cost you a considerable amount of money, but you may consider it will last about ten years so the pain doesn't itch that much anymore. In my country a zumolock is availble and a pouch is even included in the packet...
I was about to buy the device but luckily I asked if maps of my destination countries are included or available. Apparently it was not the case. And local dealer in Latvia was unable to say where to find map of Georgia for example. It amazed me that in 21st century map coverage on Garmin devices remains limited to regions where you need it least as your phone could be enough.
There is a great lockable holder made by Touratech. I have it and it’s simply great. No need to remove the unit for every short stop. I though remove it only for overnight.
Thanks for reviewing the XT. I have the now ancient 590LM. It's fitted to my '14 Vstrom 1000. I'll be buying the Suzuki Vstrom 1050XT later this year, so it'll be appropriate that the Zumo XT be fitted to it.
I use my gps on my bike, but it's most important for me on my snowmobile. I was really curious about what the sumo was like where in there are no roads.
Is it worth the extra money buying the XT 5.5" Over the 396LTM-S I appreciate the bigger screen but other than that there seems no difference other than the price. £200 for the 396 or £350 for the XT? Thanks for the help, Regards Rob 👍
I still use a Garmin in my cars. I like to buy used cars so I'm not state of the art, even if I was I like my Garmin better then any car nav I have seen. I do like Waze so sometimes I have that on using my phone. You are also very correct about having two devices not just one to do everything. Farther out I go, I don't like being dependent on one device for everything. Have to say $500 is a little rich for my blood.
Why would you not mention the unit is Bluetooth enabled for turn by turn directions to your in helmet communications system? I can't easily see a little screen while I am riding my motorcycle, nor do I want take my eyes off of the road so a gps unit not bluetooth enabled on a motorcycle is useless. I am going to buy the Zumo XT because I currently listen to the turn by turn navigation directions transmitted by my cell phone to my in helmet Sena helmet communications system with in helmet speakers but some times there is no cell service. This GPS device doesn't depend on connection to a cell phone to transmit turn by turn directions, but can do so directly to your in helmet communications system via bluetooth.
I’ve been using the 660 for nearly 10 years and I think I paid over $500 for it. My 660 has been solid and I use it daily. If the screen is brighter and sharper on the new one I’ll make the switch. I used the 660 from Ushuaia to Tuktoyaktuk plus many other epic trips. I keep a GPS Mount on every bike I have (3). To justify the high cost remember it works well in your car also.
I've also used a 660 for about 10 years (even changed the screen at one point, because it was foggy from the many touches) , than all of the sudden the usb connector died. It was still operational but couldn't update the map or load new trips to it. I've changed to the XT. The speed difference and the screen quality difference is really impressive. Copying the saved route files from the device got harder thought.
I've owned the 550, 660, 590LM and now I have the XT. The other devices were all great and each upgrade was an evolution. The XT is a step change though. The screen alone is a reason to upgrade. It is so sharp and easy to read you spend less time looking at it. You'll get some money for your old unit and mounts used to offset the cost.
If you do serious long distance off-road riding, yes a GPS is still the way to go because a smart phone even in the best protective case will rattle to death (especially the new ones with stabilization). And anything powered via USB is just hopeless, USB is meant to live in your office computer on your desk. GPS with powered cradle direct of bike 12v like the Montana, it's super robust, can live on the bike. Plus the other reasons you mention, like overheating, screen visibility and glove compatibility.
Good review! I purchased a Garmin 660 in 2010; then a 595. I have a Nav V (?) on my ‘09 BMW RT, but use it only for backup. A big irritant for me is Garmin will occasionally route one off the Interstate into downtown traffic despite settings; however, I like the route creation on Basecamp and then transfer into the Garmin. I occasionally create or modify a route without difficulty. I have used at least half dozen IPhone apps, but only for backup. Connectivity on the Garmin can sometimes be a pain, even after learning the settings and sequence for pairing. E.G. don’t pair the Sena with the IPhone, turn Sena on first, then the Garmin. Sometimes it takes long time to pair or won’t pair or the remote and/or Sena will control volume not other functions. On plus side, will provide weather reports on your route (so you know when to get out the rainsuit and snorkel), has a 3D map that shows you where the mountains are located and the adventure routing can work well. The Iphone is primarily for music and backup navigation.
Good review, thank you, but It's Basecamp that needs a big upgrade and it's looooong overdue. I'f I could just spend a few hours with one of there developers!!
I'm gutted I bought a TomTom rider 550 this year, it's no way as good as Google maps ,and it didn't know the over night road closures we have here in the UK . £350 that could of gone on a new exhaust 😟
After owning this unit for a few months now I would like to add my biggest problem is the audio quailty when listening to MP3s stored on the SD card. The audio is, to me at least, geared toward 'voice' and makes listening to music awful, no bass what so ever and way over the top hi-mids. This really disapoints me from such a flag ship device, music is front and centre on the front screen and you'd think it would focus on good sound, especially when connected to something like a Cardo with JBL speakers! For me it really needs a graphic equaliser for when music is playing, with easy access and user settings.
I’ve been using one for 3 months. It took a little time to figure out how to add tracks but is easy now that I have. Mine reconnects to my cardo headset as soon as it’s turned on, even after pumping gas. I’ve hardwired the cradle to my bike so it stays fully charged, makes it nice when taking it off the bike for a hike or lunch. The apps are nice and easy to use. It tracks every ride and stores it for 60 days unless I save and name the track, then it’s permanent. Also displays unpaved roads which is nice. My riding buddy works at a BMW/ KTM/ Indian dealership, rides a GS ( it’s an older model) with their GPS and is purchasing an XT to replace his after seeing mine. I love it and haven’t used half the features yet.
Using the TomTom app on a phone allows complicated rout planning; it also provides live traffic information and speed camera warnings. And there's a lot more. My advice is to buy a second phone for around 200 €$£ and use that for navigation. I've been doing it this way for over four years and have found TomTom to be superior in many ways.
Mine came with a bag. You can choose to wire it switched or unswitched. Switched is safer for the battery. Unswitched is easier to install and less to think about.
Great bit of kit,Love mine ,and you can even read your messages or have the system read it to you ,And i agree what they have spent on the features they have neglected on the cradle why didn't they make a cradle similar to the BM branded Navigator?
Thank you for the good review precise and to the point. I wouldn't leave a garmin on my bike even if it had a lock takes a few seconds to pop it in your pocket or whatever. Cheers from UK
I had Zumo XT for about 3 months and it's not worth, it should run smoothly for the price, the device itself is slow. You zoom out or move the map, it loads like a phone from 20 years ago, especially when you upload more detailed custom maps.It was my first motorcycle navigation and it did not impress me, I back to the phone where I can use the app that I like. When I listen to music from the phone and navigation in the background, the music mutes a little and tells the direction of travel with navigation. There was a problem when I connected the phone and nav to the intercom, the music turns off completely because the devices must switch to give priority. Another problem was the sound after the navigation voice command was so loud that it was impossible to use and mute it.
Traveled a few days with only a phone over some bad terrain and without cell coverage.. Used OsmAnd+ all the way while listening to spotify - no problems.. I know a few phones that overheat while navigating and charging at the same time, but not every phone is like that. For my next big trip I will just take a second cheap phone and a second charging cable "just in case" - it will be enough.
Hi, I just brought a Tracer 9 GT, great bike, and idea's how to fit the wiring from the underseat battery to the zumo GPS i'd like to fit on the handlebars ? i'd guess a tank remove ? cheers M
Good review, but you missed the important thing - when planning trips, Garmin Basecrap is one of the worst applications anyone has ever used. They need to make that available via online portal and send to device via wifi and share with friends via media options.
@@mbirth Thanks, Markus. It seems to require an account/compatible devise. And it looks like it's designed for off-road tracks for hand-held devices only? Does it allow for road routing; sending to device via wifi and sharing with friends via popular media platforms too?
Great device however ... playing music and having Navi guidance at the same time is not that good. I hooked it all up via my sena 20s and whilst music is playing, the Navi guidance ‘scratches’ it’s way in, sounds terrible and then ‘drops’ off. Trying to troubleshoot this with Garmin at present.
Can you download different Maps? I really liked the detailed map of my LocusMaps app. Can you import gpx files and how does it with off-road navigation?
Only makes sense if it worked with bmw wonder wheel or at least had some physical buttons mounted on handlebars for remote controlling without taking the hands off.
Can it display a compass face with a red arrow that points to the destination (as the crow flies)? My Nuvi does this when I tell it I am hiking toward a destination. I love motorcycling this way on cloudy or dark sky trips (no sun to orient by) whether the destination is 400 miles away or 50.
Hi ya I got the Zumo 396 and it’s just as good and bad like yours. Problem is at night it flickers under a lower light setting which is very annoying 2nd annoying thing is when I set to faster route it can take you down side roads that I would need a dirt bike instead of a car. I used it for both bike and car and have checked the settings many times
Well, I agree to a point. Imo the best selling point of a dedicated GPS is waterproofness. Maybe a display that's great in the sunlight. But that's it. I just bring 2 phones and a power bank. And have my girlfriend's phone as well when we're touring. I've used normal ass midrange phones in almost every type of climate and conditions and had almost none of the issues you mentioned. In 40+ is a bit much for them, so is sub 0 C, but they either throttle and work slower + battery gets drained, or simply shut off. But I don't need to check it every 10 seconds if I need to go straight for another 300 km, so not really an issue. It's nice, and frankly, compared to BMW's crap Nav units, is actually reasonably priced. But in my personal use cases, it's simply a waste of money, when I could buy a 200$ phone that's much faster than this, maybe water resistant to, and also go 10.000 km more (in maintenance cost) for the same price, with a marginally worse display maybe. Generally I do most of the guidance by phone and physical map, and ask people for directions in places that are more remote.
I have a TomTom 550 since six years and thousands of miles in many countries of the world. It is VERY good. What is not so good is the app and internet planner - not really user friendly and clear. But once one is going and follows a route, the TomTom is just perfect. So why am I considering a Zumo XT? Because I am getting into off road riding, with is a no go for the TomTom. I do not think I will use many of the features / app the XT has.
My motorcycle Garmin Zumo XT wireless GPS after I update for the first time , what ever address I input or going to saved address says : "Cannot calculate the route" please HELP - How can I fix that?Thanks
Do you have any tips on optimizing adventurous routing om the garmin? Even on the most extreme settings the roads are still mostly boring N roads, I had a tomtom rider 550 before. The garmin zumo xt doesn't even come close to choosing its own interesting road over the tomtom. I am disappointed
For me phone notifications are a complete nuisance when I'm riding my motorbike. I would immediately turn it off. Strange that it does not pickup your headphone connection after switching it of, even my BMW Navigator 6(which in fact is a Zumo with specific BMW addons) will pick up everything after a restart. Furthermore the most interesting apps will only work when it is connected to a smartphone so you will still need your smartphone but only as a source for specific information.
Use a phone with no sim, there is no requirement to be online. Locus, OsmAnd, Scenic, Gaia, Oruxmaps, Kurviger and others are completely offline...and unusually cheap/free to update.
Thank goodness it’s not a Zuma , now that would have been a real piece of shyte 😂. Thank you for the great content and to the point!. Please help to convince me not to buy the 1250. The itch doesn’t want to go away 😁
Be careful don't go anywhere near that clip while riding, really easy for it to drop off. Have attached a 3M stick on tether to stop it dropping off while riding, don't ask how I know 😀 Agreed, I don't need email on my bike so that notification is turned off via Garmin Drive App on the phone.
On my last long trip I used my iPhone XR as a navigation device. Half day into the trip the iPhone camera stabilization broke, it’s mechanical and probably broke because of the vibrations of the bike. So for the rest of the holiday no camera. Also t mobile had no data roaming for Switzerland at that time what made my iPhone useless as navigation device..
I'll give u "the reason" several phones. Several cameras within the phone. Damaged. Done. With every type of mount including the quad lock anti vibration mount. Just got the new pixel 6 and don't plan on seeing if mounting the phone screws this camera. So yes I can really see using a good gps again
My only complaint is that it doesn't have a port for audio, just Bluetooth. Using a phone for a motorcycle trip sucks. I've had pre-planned routes changed without my consent. The XT is a good piece of equipment. It is small enough for a pocket and has a quick release system so I don't consider that a con.
just a few comments... $500 for gps vs $500 + for an iphone. I live in Canada & when I travel in US "pre-covid", the phone would use data, wouldn't it?, cell coverage is spotty in many places "at least in Canada". You could hook the GPS direct to battery, saving it from shutting down during a fuel fill up or quick run into a store.
You can easily download “offline maps” to your google maps on the phone and not require data to work (great backup if GPS fails, OSMand Maps is a great app for off-road riding as well and has offline maps). That said, I use a garmin on my bike so my phone doesn’t have to take the wear and tear.
the Garmin GPS will tell you external power has been lost and give you the option to keep it live eg for a fuel stop, it does not have to be powered down every time you turn off, just 1 button press to keep it active.
I have a Garmin ZuMT-S smaller screen cost less.. Very Durable.. I hit a Deet at 50 MPH on my Yamaha FZ-07 My Speedometer died but the Zumo didn't die. Very frustrating problems to sync to my Cardo Pack Talk Slim .. but now after a software update for Cardo not so bad.. .. Same goes with my phone to cardo .. If I leave my helemt on bike and take phone into store .. I have to go through a major process to sychronize them again. The other Issues is also with Cardo .. it changed the volume according to speed and wind noice .. thus I can't hear the first three words in every instructional sentace.. There are supposed to be settings to turn this feature off but have not got it stopped yet.. Before the CArdo software upgrade .. I had to go into the Zumo menu and search for the Cardo unit .. a time sonsuming pain .. every time the helmet and GPS got seperated by over 30 feet
I have a previous Zumo model and as an adventure rider, I am dissappointed that you are only given the choice to "avoid" unpaved roads. You are not allowed to "prefer" them. Nor are there trail maps such as you get in apps such as Gaia. The so called "adventurous routing" mode will always take you on paved surfaces. Has this been changed in the newest model or is it still a road-bike only GPS?
I use the XT and i agree with you on all points but even knowing that isn't easy to cover all things, i think there were a couple of ones that you should have mentioned to see if Garmin wakes up: - The base cover could have been better designed (you have to be careful when using it to not broke the contact pins); =Now regarding the app Garmin Drive= - Can't choose which apps we want to receive notifications from (it has a major importance to me for being able to receive notifications from my home security system, and not from every app i have installed. Unbelievable!); - "TRUE" Live Track option (it was easier and quicker than the new feature: MapShare); - Pick a location on a built-in map; - See favourites stored on the device and on the phone 4 options/features that we had on the old 595LM and Smartphone Link app!!!
He didn't list the most important reason for Adventure Riders! A phone is not designed for motorcycle riding off road. The bumps and bouncing your bike takes off road will kill it, the internal mechanisms of a phone get destroyed over time on a motorcycle. So your $1000 iPhone just became trash because you didn't buy a $500 unit designed for beating... I know several friends whose phone has broke this way... Also it will get extremely dirty off-roading and cause multiple issues this way as well...
good to know it comes with a ram ball mount. Is that a 1 " ram ball mount. Also rather than A to B town centre route, does anyone know if a user can set way points to follow as part of the route set up? This allows more flexibility in routing. (Same as the app Co pilot on a phone)
Wouldn't it be better to buy a mid range Android phone as an additional device for $300 and upgrade when necessary? This way one's primary phone still remains safe.
That's what I did for a long time, and if you are short on cash, it is not a bad option, but there are issues: 1. Even waterproof phones are not really made for outdoor use. This means that the rain might not hurt them, but the touch screen will stop working properly and jump all over the place. If you plan to leave the USB cable connected to charge the phone, note that most waterproof phones are not waterproof while charging. (wireless charging may save you there). 2. The displays on most are not easy to read in sunlight, and they are typically glossy and reflective. 3. As mentioned by the author of this video, they can overhead if the screen and GPS is left on for a long time. This leads to them dimming the screen. This is usually not noticeable indoors, but it is very annoying outside. 3. Except for some Sony models, most phones don't work with gloves. 4. The Garmin GPS units are ruggedized, so that they don't break easily if you drop them. There are plenty of tough phone cases, but most don't protect the screen, and your options are limited if you use a bike mount. 5. Software: You can use Google maps, etc., but they tend not to be as good as a dedicated unit, at least in some ways. Things like traffic updates and business updates will usually be better, though often routing is worse. Perhaps more importantly, there are very few apps that will let you download a full offline map. 6. Battery life - Dedicated GPS units usually have better battery life when using the GPS and keeping the screen on. Obviously if you hard wire your unit into a battery then this issue mostly goes away. 7. Sensor accuracy. I have found that the GPS location in the dedicated GPS units is much better. Moreso, the compass is much better. When using my phone, I would end up facing the wrong way many, many times. This issue happens among multiple phones. I suppose it's not surprising that the sensor chipset in a general purpose phone which was more added as an afterthought would not be as good as the sensor chipset in a dedicated navigation unit. 8. Another issue is just practicality. For example, unlocking my phone means pressing the power button on the side which also reads my fingerprint. Putting the phone in the mount for my bike means I can't even reach the power button easily. It's nearly impossible to turn on with gloves. Once I turn it on, II need to enter the PIN since the fingerprint won't be working well (though I suppose you could disable this). Next, need to get it to the maps application or similar so the screen won't automatically turn off after 30 seconds or so of inactivity. (You can disable the auto screen off, but then it will just stay on all the time and run the battery down). etc., etc. With the Garmin units, if you have it in the powered mount then it turns on and is ready to use when you turn on the bike. When you turn off the bike it turns off as well (unless you cancel the power-down when the count-down timer appears. ). On the other hand, phones do have some advantages: 1. Built in internet 2. Always up to date maps in many cases 3. Cheap (or free if you already had one laying around). 4. Variety of apps to choose from.
Or even a small tablet. Just put it in a case. Now it is ruggedized and water proof. Or just straight up by a ruggedized phone. They exist. There is no logical reason these Garmin units should cost this much. Honestly, I won't even consider them until they are about half the price they are now. I would rather buy and destroy 5 beater phones than pay Garmin over $500.
Is it easy to go on my computer and build a turn by turn route then load it onto the unit ive never owned a stand alone gps but thats what i would like to use it for.
Zumo: got the 396 - nice unit but software update is very bad over here in Japan. Only could update it once, after that it costs ¥25,000. Outrages ! Unit price is ¥65,000 here in Japan. The XT version is ¥128,00 here in Japan (too expensive !). Then considering software update again a lot of money so maybe my phone Google is the best solution !!! Garmin is nice but a ‘Rip-Off’ here in Japan !
Might be an idea to also review the TomTom Rider satnav?. It's less expensive, has better routing, and the real time traffic updates are excellent. "Plan a thrill" is also excellent for interesting route creation.
*Still worth it in 2020?*
I like getting lost.
You could have 2 phones and keep one locked on the bike
I don't like separate GPS. I don't like to type in an address every time. On my phone, I just click on it. Besides, I don't have room to carry TWO devices.
I use my phone like you have, in fact I do it this way because I saw how you were doing things.
Unless it fits the BMW cradle, I’ll just stick with my phone.
"I can't say I was ever lost, but I was bewildered once for three days." Daniel Boone
How can you not love the no bullshit style of this guy. Thumbs up.
Using the Zumo XT on the bike will have you pocketing your very expensive and fragile phone. Trust me……..this is good.
It’s too bad this great product has come as many have given up on motorcycle GPS. It’s got a large, bright screen. A million nice functions. Good connectivity. And waterproof! I like that it also pairs to Garmins IN-Reach satellite products….just in case. I use Touratech’s locking mount which isolates the unit from vibration and locks it to the bike.
All this AND it’s STILL cheaper than the glitchy BMW Navigator on the R1250 GSA. Winner!
Touratech has a specific mount for the XT, improves grip and has a key lock.
Can you rotate it to portrait orientation? Or is it fixed in landscape view?
@@hungwasson1399 The Touratech mount comes with an extra bracket to facilitate vertical mounting but it takes a bit of time, tools, and fiddling with small hardware to switch from one to another.
I have previously always used Tomtom right up to the 550. I bought a Zumo XT, my first Garmin, and it is so much better than the Tomtom in just about every respect.
I had the old Zumo for 6 years, toured over 80 000 kilometers with it. It came with a pouch. I didn't use it once, it does not get damaged in your pocket unless you have keys or other hard/sharp objects in there, so no, the pouch really isn't necessary and You can't be bothered to fiddle with it everytime you step in to a shop either. I now have the version reviewed here and I absolutely love it. It makes motorcycling so much more fun and the adventurous routing option is a gem, that I personally think you should have gone into in more depth, as it is perhaps the greatest feature of the device. Also, coupled to this is the great function of "Round trip"... I can't praise the Zumo enough. Highly recommended. Apart from that, thanks for a great review. You do such a good job.
Just came back from a 14000 km Trip in Australia. From Brisbane down to Tasmania and back up to Gladstone. A windblast smashed my Samsung S10 from the pillion seat in Tassie which I used for my navigation. After that I kept on going with my Iphone 6s. So all good. Never missed a GPS System like Garmin.
I recommend a second (spare) phone for verious reasons. Taking pictures amd filming for example and as a back up off course.
I have used the XT for 7 months a d have NO issues. I like to use it on the fly as my Honda DCT GPS won't allow it. The screen brightness is fantastic, the touch screen is sensitive and fast. As far as cost, I spent more on my 660 unit that the XT. I would purchase again.
I prefer the TomTom 550. Its normal price is $400 but I got it on sale for $320. It has lifetime world maps, traffic, and safety cameras. For a commuter the real-time traffic is invaluable. The traffic updates within 5 minutes of an incident occurring. TomTom also understands about the HOV lanes to help the motorcycle commuter. You can twist it to landscape or portrait mode while you're riding. It does not have all of the apps that Garmin has, but who cares? I can use apps on my phone. I like the separate GPS because the map display is always on even if a phone call or a dead spot or a music change or a notification comes across the phone.
Excellent review. Helped me with my purchase. I am so done with the iPhone.
Good video, thank you. At the end of the video you said you were from Romania. Back in 2002 I took a hill-climb racing car to Resita. I was co-driver. The main driver brought a car Garmin. Wires everywhere, aerial on the roof. Mapping was good until Hungary where it was a bit iffy. Got to Romania and the car symbol was out in the fields! We had to look at road signs again. Maybe things are better now. Beautiful country though. I'll go back on my Moto Guzzi when I have chosen a GPS. Cheers, John
I know I'm really late to comment on this but here goes...
I've used Garmin since 2007 starting with the Zumo 550 and then the 665. I've planned detailed local and remote routes and the Garmin does pretty well. I usually flesh out my route idea in Google Maps on my computer because it's quick for that. Then I recreate the route in Base Camp, Garmin' s route planning software and once complete I transfer it to the Zumo. I've done several 2 week and even a 30 day ride relying on the Garmin through all kinds of weather. Nothing beats it.
Phones are great, but they have drawbacks. They get hot when using the GPS constantly. And the GPS isn't so great with no coverage. Also, if you get separated from your bike in a crash and are injured or dump your bike and your phone takes a bad hit, you lose critical phone functions. But if you keep your phone on you and your Garmin on the bike, worst case is your Garmin is toast. Of course, if you have no cell coverage when this happens, the Garmin isn't going to save you. Oh wait, if you get their service, it can. You can send a text or SOS message. Pretty slick!
I hardwire my Garmins to my bike's battery. It is not switched. Yes, it drains your battery, but they draw very little power. Unless you leave it in the mount and powered on for a few hours, you'll be fine. And while you're riding... not a problem, your stator has your back.
I'm wondering if the bluetooth audio is better on the XT. I use a Sena headset and I often stream music from my phone. I have music loaded on the GPS, but you want something different, so Spotify or Pandora is nice when you have coverage. The problem I have is the audio quallity is iffy. I forget which connection sucks, probably the on board Garmin music to my headset. The phone connection seems to use a higher quality audio and I guess there's only one high quality connection? TBH, I'm not sure if this is the Garmin's fault or the Sena's, could be either. I used to use noise cancelling in ear phones, so I didn't have dual bluetooth going on and it was great. But those earphones fell apart on me (literally) and I decided to go wireless.
Since covid, I've really not ridden much. Definitely need to fix that.
I have a Tom Tom which had to be hard-wired to my Honda CB500F as the bike doesn't have a pop in outlet. It has an anti-theft cradle that can swivel. Absolutely brilliant, still worthwhile in 2020.
I used an automotive Garmin on my bike for years and never got lost. I just smeared black silicone over the cracks and speaker holes to seal it for weather. Spent about $90, never regretted it.
I have been using it for more than a year, and the XT an excellent GPS. Wi-Fi updates and you can make your routes directly whithout base camp. I do recommend this equipment. I use Garmin XP and as a redundancy Google Maps. It is the perfect combination to travel in South America!!!
Bought one about 2 months ago. loving it, had a Zumo 395 before it and this is 100 times better.
Why is this better?
A proper navigation system does cost you a considerable amount of money, but you may consider it will last about ten years so the pain doesn't itch that much anymore. In my country a zumolock is availble and a pouch is even included in the packet...
I was about to buy the device but luckily I asked if maps of my destination countries are included or available. Apparently it was not the case. And local dealer in Latvia was unable to say where to find map of Georgia for example. It amazed me that in 21st century map coverage on Garmin devices remains limited to regions where you need it least as your phone could be enough.
I only use a GPS for over landing. Zumo`s topo maps saved my ass a couple times in the wild
There is a great lockable holder made by Touratech. I have it and it’s simply great. No need to remove the unit for every short stop. I though remove it only for overnight.
Thanks for reviewing the XT. I have the now ancient 590LM. It's fitted to my '14 Vstrom 1000. I'll be buying the Suzuki Vstrom 1050XT later this year, so it'll be appropriate that the Zumo XT be fitted to it.
I use my gps on my bike, but it's most important for me on my snowmobile. I was really curious about what the sumo was like where in there are no roads.
Sumos tend to get excessively irritable and "hangry" when faced with no roads for a steady food supply.
I have a Garmin 396, which I love. The ability to plan trips on my computer is priceless. Plus it is a bit smaller than the XT, which is nice.
Is it worth the extra money buying the XT 5.5" Over the 396LTM-S I appreciate the bigger screen but other than that there seems no difference other than the price. £200 for the 396 or £350 for the XT?
Thanks for the help, Regards Rob 👍
Can you do a comparison with BMW navigator 6? The advantages and disadvantages for a BMW motorcycle owner. Thanks
I still use a Garmin in my cars. I like to buy used cars so I'm not state of the art, even if I was I like my Garmin better then any car nav I have seen. I do like Waze so sometimes I have that on using my phone. You are also very correct about having two devices not just one to do everything. Farther out I go, I don't like being dependent on one device for everything. Have to say $500 is a little rich for my blood.
Why would you not mention the unit is Bluetooth enabled for turn by turn directions to your in helmet communications system? I can't easily see a little screen while I am riding my motorcycle, nor do I want take my eyes off of the road so a gps unit not bluetooth enabled on a motorcycle is useless. I am going to buy the Zumo XT because I currently listen to the turn by turn navigation directions transmitted by my cell phone to my in helmet Sena helmet communications system with in helmet speakers but some times there is no cell service. This GPS device doesn't depend on connection to a cell phone to transmit turn by turn directions, but can do so directly to your in helmet communications system via bluetooth.
Always bring a Montana in a Plecan case as back up.
I’ve been using the 660 for nearly 10 years and I think I paid over $500 for it. My 660 has been solid and I use it daily. If the screen is brighter and sharper on the new one I’ll make the switch.
I used the 660 from Ushuaia to Tuktoyaktuk plus many other epic trips. I keep a GPS Mount on every bike I have (3). To justify the high cost remember it works well in your car also.
I've also used a 660 for about 10 years (even changed the screen at one point, because it was foggy from the many touches) , than all of the sudden the usb connector died. It was still operational but couldn't update the map or load new trips to it. I've changed to the XT. The speed difference and the screen quality difference is really impressive. Copying the saved route files from the device got harder thought.
Peter Bacsko good to know! I would like a brighter screen and I should be able to transfer my data from the 660.
I've owned the 550, 660, 590LM and now I have the XT. The other devices were all great and each upgrade was an evolution. The XT is a step change though. The screen alone is a reason to upgrade. It is so sharp and easy to read you spend less time looking at it. You'll get some money for your old unit and mounts used to offset the cost.
If you do serious long distance off-road riding, yes a GPS is still the way to go because a smart phone even in the best protective case will rattle to death (especially the new ones with stabilization). And anything powered via USB is just hopeless, USB is meant to live in your office computer on your desk. GPS with powered cradle direct of bike 12v like the Montana, it's super robust, can live on the bike. Plus the other reasons you mention, like overheating, screen visibility and glove compatibility.
The lack of an included bag grated me too.
It's always been like that
@@bsimpson6204 The earlier models, 550 and 660 both came with bags included in the box. 590LM and XT didn't.
Good review! I purchased a Garmin 660 in 2010; then a 595. I have a Nav V (?) on my ‘09 BMW RT, but use it only for backup. A big irritant for me is Garmin will occasionally route one off the Interstate into downtown traffic despite settings; however, I like the route creation on Basecamp and then transfer into the Garmin. I occasionally create or modify a route without difficulty. I have used at least half dozen IPhone apps, but only for backup. Connectivity on the Garmin can sometimes be a pain, even after learning the settings and sequence for pairing. E.G. don’t pair the Sena with the IPhone, turn Sena on first, then the Garmin. Sometimes it takes long time to pair or won’t pair or the remote and/or Sena will control volume not other functions. On plus side, will provide weather reports on your route (so you know when to get out the rainsuit and snorkel), has a 3D map that shows you where the mountains are located and the adventure routing can work well. The Iphone is primarily for music and backup navigation.
Good review, thank you, but It's Basecamp that needs a big upgrade and it's looooong overdue. I'f I could just spend a few hours with one of there developers!!
I'm gutted I bought a TomTom rider 550 this year, it's no way as good as Google maps ,and it didn't know the over night road closures we have here in the UK . £350 that could of gone on a new exhaust 😟
i cant get my directions through my head set but i can get music
After owning this unit for a few months now I would like to add my biggest problem is the audio quailty when listening to MP3s stored on the SD card. The audio is, to me at least, geared toward 'voice' and makes listening to music awful, no bass what so ever and way over the top hi-mids. This really disapoints me from such a flag ship device, music is front and centre on the front screen and you'd think it would focus on good sound, especially when connected to something like a Cardo with JBL speakers! For me it really needs a graphic equaliser for when music is playing, with easy access and user settings.
I thought my JBLs were a mistake, until I left the Zumo home one day, and just ran Pandora to my Cardo.
@@danvalleskey I agree the sound quailty is much better when streaming from the phone, just not how I want to use it.
I’ve been using one for 3 months. It took a little time to figure out how to add tracks but is easy now that I have. Mine reconnects to my cardo headset as soon as it’s turned on, even after pumping gas. I’ve hardwired the cradle to my bike so it stays fully charged, makes it nice when taking it off the bike for a hike or lunch. The apps are nice and easy to use. It tracks every ride and stores it for 60 days unless I save and name the track, then it’s permanent. Also displays unpaved roads which is nice. My riding buddy works at a BMW/ KTM/ Indian dealership, rides a GS ( it’s an older model) with their GPS and is purchasing an XT to replace his after seeing mine. I love it and haven’t used half the features yet.
Using the TomTom app on a phone allows complicated rout planning; it also provides live traffic information and speed camera warnings. And there's a lot more. My advice is to buy a second phone for around 200 €$£ and use that for navigation. I've been doing it this way for over four years and have found TomTom to be superior in many ways.
Mine came with a bag.
You can choose to wire it switched or unswitched. Switched is safer for the battery. Unswitched is easier to install and less to think about.
Great bit of kit,Love mine ,and you can even read your messages or have the system read it to you ,And i agree what they have spent on the features they have neglected on the cradle why didn't they make a cradle similar to the BM branded Navigator?
Thank you for the good review precise and to the point. I wouldn't leave a garmin on my bike even if it had a lock takes a few seconds to pop it in your pocket or whatever. Cheers from UK
So great if you're touring on paved roads. Garbage for offroad directions?
Looks like it fits on a BMW 1200GS... somewhere... for about 1/2 of BMW’s GPS
Very easy to watch and insightfull review. Thank you! I was not even interested in the subject, but i watched and enjoyed it anyway! :)
I had Zumo XT for about 3 months and it's not worth, it should run smoothly for the price, the device itself is slow. You zoom out or move the map, it loads like a phone from 20 years ago, especially when you upload more detailed custom maps.It was my first motorcycle navigation and it did not impress me, I back to the phone where I can use the app that I like. When I listen to music from the phone and navigation in the background, the music mutes a little and tells the direction of travel with navigation. There was a problem when I connected the phone and nav to the intercom, the music turns off completely because the devices must switch to give priority. Another problem was the sound after the navigation voice command was so loud that it was impossible to use and mute it.
Traveled a few days with only a phone over some bad terrain and without cell coverage.. Used OsmAnd+ all the way while listening to spotify - no problems.. I know a few phones that overheat while navigating and charging at the same time, but not every phone is like that. For my next big trip I will just take a second cheap phone and a second charging cable "just in case" - it will be enough.
Let us hope the cradle power connectors have been improved so that they don't disconnect.
Useful review . . . . you got me wondering if I could swamp my Navigator VI for this new unit . . . . or maybe I just want a 'Beeline Moto'.
XT vs Montana 700i????
Great review by the way! Thanks much.
Hi, I just brought a Tracer 9 GT, great bike, and idea's how to fit the wiring from the underseat battery to the zumo GPS i'd like to fit on the handlebars ? i'd guess a tank remove ? cheers
M
There is a auxiliary power line behind the left cowl that you can tap into. It's a 2A circuit.
Still got the Zumo 550 ,gets me there and back.
Maybe the best ever.
Excellent! Thanks for the review, I was looking to buy one, this helps a lot. 👍👍
With the Trail Tech Pro down to $539, how does the Garmin stack up in comparison? Maybe a side by side? Thanks! 😎👍
Good review, but you missed the important thing - when planning trips, Garmin Basecrap is one of the worst applications anyone has ever used. They need to make that available via online portal and send to device via wifi and share with friends via media options.
This works with Garmin Explore (explore.garmin.com/ ) and the Zumo XT.
@@mbirth If only that linked open something Markus! 🙄
@@RichDunn The closing parent was not intended to be part of the URL. It should work now.
@@mbirth Thanks, Markus. It seems to require an account/compatible devise. And it looks like it's designed for off-road tracks for hand-held devices only? Does it allow for road routing; sending to device via wifi and sharing with friends via popular media platforms too?
I purchased a Sony 7000 for my Harley Street glide, it has Apple play and I believe a 7 inch screen, works fine
Being new to sat navs can i plan a route on my laptop and send to nav?
great vid btw
Great device however ... playing music and having Navi guidance at the same time is not that good. I hooked it all up via my sena 20s and whilst music is playing, the Navi guidance ‘scratches’ it’s way in, sounds terrible and then ‘drops’ off. Trying to troubleshoot this with Garmin at present.
Can you download different Maps? I really liked the detailed map of my LocusMaps app. Can you import gpx files and how does it with off-road navigation?
Excellent review, can I use it in my car for offroad trips?
Great review… I have the Garmin Bmw nav 6 and the notifications drive me crazy, so ridiculous….. why can’t we just turn them off….
Only makes sense if it worked with bmw wonder wheel or at least had some physical buttons mounted on handlebars for remote controlling without taking the hands off.
Can it display a compass face with a red arrow that points to the destination (as the crow flies)? My Nuvi does this when I tell it I am hiking toward a destination. I love motorcycling this way on cloudy or dark sky trips (no sun to orient by) whether the destination is 400 miles away or 50.
Hi ya I got the Zumo 396 and it’s just as good and bad like yours. Problem is at night it flickers under a lower light setting which is very annoying
2nd annoying thing is when I set to faster route it can take you down side roads that I would need a dirt bike instead of a car. I used it for both bike and car and have checked the settings many times
Hi. Hope you’re well. Do you use the Garmin Drive to import GPX routes onto the XT? Do you find it straightforward? Thank you.
Great review but a huge NO if there’s no way to lock it on the bike. Still using my 660 with Touratech lock.
Well, I agree to a point. Imo the best selling point of a dedicated GPS is waterproofness. Maybe a display that's great in the sunlight. But that's it.
I just bring 2 phones and a power bank. And have my girlfriend's phone as well when we're touring.
I've used normal ass midrange phones in almost every type of climate and conditions and had almost none of the issues you mentioned. In 40+ is a bit much for them, so is sub 0 C, but they either throttle and work slower + battery gets drained, or simply shut off. But I don't need to check it every 10 seconds if I need to go straight for another 300 km, so not really an issue.
It's nice, and frankly, compared to BMW's crap Nav units, is actually reasonably priced. But in my personal use cases, it's simply a waste of money, when I could buy a 200$ phone that's much faster than this, maybe water resistant to, and also go 10.000 km more (in maintenance cost) for the same price, with a marginally worse display maybe.
Generally I do most of the guidance by phone and physical map, and ask people for directions in places that are more remote.
A good processor? Map is so slow to load and refresh.
Thanks for the review. Do they offer free maps update?
I have a TomTom 550 since six years and thousands of miles in many countries of the world. It is VERY good. What is not so good is the app and internet planner - not really user friendly and clear. But once one is going and follows a route, the TomTom is just perfect. So why am I considering a Zumo XT? Because I am getting into off road riding, with is a no go for the TomTom. I do not think I will use many of the features / app the XT has.
My motorcycle Garmin Zumo XT wireless GPS after I update for the first time , what ever address I input or going to saved address says : "Cannot calculate the route" please HELP - How can I fix that?Thanks
What's the XT like against the Nav6?
Do you have any tips on optimizing adventurous routing om the garmin? Even on the most extreme settings the roads are still mostly boring N roads, I had a tomtom rider 550 before. The garmin zumo xt doesn't even come close to choosing its own interesting road over the tomtom.
I am disappointed
For me phone notifications are a complete nuisance when I'm riding my motorbike. I would immediately turn it off. Strange that it does not pickup your headphone connection after switching it of, even my BMW Navigator 6(which in fact is a Zumo with specific BMW addons) will pick up everything after a restart.
Furthermore the most interesting apps will only work when it is connected to a smartphone so you will still need your smartphone but only as a source for specific information.
Use a phone with no sim, there is no requirement to be online. Locus, OsmAnd, Scenic, Gaia, Oruxmaps, Kurviger and others are completely offline...and unusually cheap/free to update.
Thank goodness it’s not a Zuma , now that would have been a real piece of shyte 😂. Thank you for the great content and to the point!. Please help to convince me not to buy the 1250. The itch doesn’t want to go away 😁
Zuma's gone mate! Cyril is the new Zuma :D:D:D Go for the 1250. Won't regret it.
Major pain in the ass to load tracks into, or to use them when loaded...
So should you rather plan it on the unit itself?
Be careful don't go anywhere near that clip while riding, really easy for it to drop off. Have attached a 3M stick on tether to stop it dropping off while riding, don't ask how I know 😀
Agreed, I don't need email on my bike so that notification is turned off via Garmin Drive App on the phone.
Can you map out custom routes like on google maps? Or can you import routes?
can we use same for car also
Very crispy review :)
On my last long trip I used my iPhone XR as a navigation device. Half day into the trip the iPhone camera stabilization broke, it’s mechanical and probably broke because of the vibrations of the bike. So for the rest of the holiday no camera. Also t mobile had no data roaming for Switzerland at that time what made my iPhone useless as navigation device..
You're exactly right. The newer iphones have mechanical lens focus. You have to get an older model to navigate with.
Will that fit in the r1200 rt housing. Great vlog by the way. Keep them coming. All the best and stay safe
I'll give u "the reason" several phones. Several cameras within the phone. Damaged. Done. With every type of mount including the quad lock anti vibration mount. Just got the new pixel 6 and don't plan on seeing if mounting the phone screws this camera. So yes I can really see using a good gps again
My only complaint is that it doesn't have a port for audio, just Bluetooth. Using a phone for a motorcycle trip sucks. I've had pre-planned routes changed without my consent. The XT is a good piece of equipment. It is small enough for a pocket and has a quick release system so I don't consider that a con.
just a few comments... $500 for gps vs $500 + for an iphone. I live in Canada & when I travel in US "pre-covid", the phone would use data, wouldn't it?, cell coverage is spotty in many places "at least in Canada". You could hook the GPS direct to battery, saving it from shutting down during a fuel fill up or quick run into a store.
You can easily download “offline maps” to your google maps on the phone and not require data to work (great backup if GPS fails, OSMand Maps is a great app for off-road riding as well and has offline maps). That said, I use a garmin on my bike so my phone doesn’t have to take the wear and tear.
the Garmin GPS will tell you external power has been lost and give you the option to keep it live eg for a fuel stop, it does not have to be powered down every time you turn off, just 1 button press to keep it active.
I have a Garmin ZuMT-S smaller screen cost less.. Very Durable.. I hit a Deet at 50 MPH on my Yamaha FZ-07 My Speedometer died but the Zumo didn't die.
Very frustrating problems to sync to my Cardo Pack Talk Slim .. but now after a software update for Cardo not so bad.. .. Same goes with my phone to cardo .. If I leave my helemt on bike and take phone into store .. I have to go through a major process to sychronize them again.
The other Issues is also with Cardo .. it changed the volume according to speed and wind noice .. thus I can't hear the first three words in every instructional sentace.. There are supposed to be settings to turn this feature off but have not got it stopped yet..
Before the CArdo software upgrade .. I had to go into the Zumo menu and search for the Cardo unit .. a time sonsuming pain .. every time the helmet and GPS got seperated by over 30 feet
I have a previous Zumo model and as an adventure rider, I am dissappointed that you are only given the choice to "avoid" unpaved roads. You are not allowed to "prefer" them. Nor are there trail maps such as you get in apps such as Gaia. The so called "adventurous routing" mode will always take you on paved surfaces. Has this been changed in the newest model or is it still a road-bike only GPS?
I use the XT and i agree with you on all points but even knowing that isn't easy to cover all things, i think there were a couple of ones that you should have mentioned to see if Garmin wakes up:
- The base cover could have been better designed (you have to be careful when using it to not broke the contact pins);
=Now regarding the app Garmin Drive=
- Can't choose which apps we want to receive notifications from (it has a major importance to me for being able to receive notifications from my home security system, and not from every app i have installed. Unbelievable!);
- "TRUE" Live Track option (it was easier and quicker than the new feature: MapShare);
- Pick a location on a built-in map;
- See favourites stored on the device and on the phone
4 options/features that we had on the old 595LM and Smartphone Link app!!!
Is it legal to use in the UK with provisional licence and L-plate?
He didn't list the most important reason for Adventure Riders! A phone is not designed for motorcycle riding off road. The bumps and bouncing your bike takes off road will kill it, the internal mechanisms of a phone get destroyed over time on a motorcycle. So your $1000 iPhone just became trash because you didn't buy a $500 unit designed for beating... I know several friends whose phone has broke this way... Also it will get extremely dirty off-roading and cause multiple issues this way as well...
Hello. Can I mount it on the original BMW R1200GS GPS mount?
good to know it comes with a ram ball mount. Is that a 1 " ram ball mount. Also rather than A to B town centre route, does anyone know if a user can set way points to follow as part of the route set up? This allows more flexibility in routing. (Same as the app Co pilot on a phone)
I think this will answer your question.
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Clear, concise review, thanks.
EXCELLENT JOB WELL DONE 👏
Long way home where getting your motorcycle news is easier than stretching your legs on a BMW R18 but not by much...
Touratech makes a lockable cradle. Part #: 065-1397 about $180, just ordered one.
Wouldn't it be better to buy a mid range Android phone as an additional device for $300 and upgrade when necessary? This way one's primary phone still remains safe.
That's what I did for a long time, and if you are short on cash, it is not a bad option, but there are issues:
1. Even waterproof phones are not really made for outdoor use. This means that the rain might not hurt them, but the touch screen will stop working properly and jump all over the place. If you plan to leave the USB cable connected to charge the phone, note that most waterproof phones are not waterproof while charging. (wireless charging may save you there).
2. The displays on most are not easy to read in sunlight, and they are typically glossy and reflective.
3. As mentioned by the author of this video, they can overhead if the screen and GPS is left on for a long time. This leads to them dimming the screen. This is usually not noticeable indoors, but it is very annoying outside.
3. Except for some Sony models, most phones don't work with gloves.
4. The Garmin GPS units are ruggedized, so that they don't break easily if you drop them. There are plenty of tough phone cases, but most don't protect the screen, and your options are limited if you use a bike mount.
5. Software: You can use Google maps, etc., but they tend not to be as good as a dedicated unit, at least in some ways. Things like traffic updates and business updates will usually be better, though often routing is worse. Perhaps more importantly, there are very few apps that will let you download a full offline map.
6. Battery life - Dedicated GPS units usually have better battery life when using the GPS and keeping the screen on. Obviously if you hard wire your unit into a battery then this issue mostly goes away.
7. Sensor accuracy. I have found that the GPS location in the dedicated GPS units is much better. Moreso, the compass is much better. When using my phone, I would end up facing the wrong way many, many times. This issue happens among multiple phones. I suppose it's not surprising that the sensor chipset in a general purpose phone which was more added as an afterthought would not be as good as the sensor chipset in a dedicated navigation unit.
8. Another issue is just practicality. For example, unlocking my phone means pressing the power button on the side which also reads my fingerprint. Putting the phone in the mount for my bike means I can't even reach the power button easily. It's nearly impossible to turn on with gloves. Once I turn it on, II need to enter the PIN since the fingerprint won't be working well (though I suppose you could disable this). Next, need to get it to the maps application or similar so the screen won't automatically turn off after 30 seconds or so of inactivity. (You can disable the auto screen off, but then it will just stay on all the time and run the battery down). etc., etc. With the Garmin units, if you have it in the powered mount then it turns on and is ready to use when you turn on the bike. When you turn off the bike it turns off as well (unless you cancel the power-down when the count-down timer appears. ).
On the other hand, phones do have some advantages:
1. Built in internet
2. Always up to date maps in many cases
3. Cheap (or free if you already had one laying around).
4. Variety of apps to choose from.
Or even a small tablet. Just put it in a case. Now it is ruggedized and water proof. Or just straight up by a ruggedized phone. They exist.
There is no logical reason these Garmin units should cost this much. Honestly, I won't even consider them until they are about half the price they are now.
I would rather buy and destroy 5 beater phones than pay Garmin over $500.
Is it easy to go on my computer and build a turn by turn route then load it onto the unit ive never owned a stand alone gps but thats what i would like to use it for.
There are several applications you can use. I do that with my TomTom
Zumo: got the 396 - nice unit but software update is very bad over here in Japan. Only could update it once, after that it costs ¥25,000.
Outrages !
Unit price is ¥65,000 here in
Japan.
The XT version is ¥128,00
here in Japan (too expensive !).
Then considering software update again a lot of money
so maybe my phone Google is
the best solution !!!
Garmin is nice but a ‘Rip-Off’
here in Japan !
Touratech do a locking holder for this model. He has got one on his Tenere 700. He rates it.
Thanks funguseater40. That will seal the deal for me. But now I have to buy 4 locking mounts.
Might be an idea to also review the TomTom Rider satnav?. It's less expensive, has better routing, and the real time traffic updates are excellent. "Plan a thrill" is also excellent for interesting route creation.