Time To Go Broken (Or Die Trying) | Vintage Cube Draft

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  • @itsallenwow
    @itsallenwow 10 місяців тому +44

    I think the coolest thing about these videos is how much everyone has a playstyle, or set of cards that people know they love. Sandy is the mono white player, LSV wants to take Academy, JBro wants to draft some green red based aggro deck, blue white control is literally Cheons.

    • @Eryksgreatestadventure
      @Eryksgreatestadventure 10 місяців тому

      Watching these videos makes me a better draft player and gives me broken ideas for my commander decks

    • @romeomargot-picquendar1281
      @romeomargot-picquendar1281 10 місяців тому +1

      LSV has an insane range though. And he always goes for where the packs and the picks of his opponents lead him, he doesn't really force draft his biases that much. He reads the draft really well.

  • @turbobrew
    @turbobrew 10 місяців тому +43

    Kappa Cannoneer low key one of the best cards in the deck. That card has been really good for me.
    A shame LSV didn’t play the cannoneer earlier in game 1, he could have copied it with reflection and most likely alpha striked with unblockable.

    • @bevrosity
      @bevrosity 10 місяців тому +10

      yeah I'm surprised he didn't see any lines like that.

    • @MasterworkLeathercraft
      @MasterworkLeathercraft 10 місяців тому +2

      He seemed to be really averse to casting it in game 1 and it didn't make sense to me

    • @GuillaumePoulin
      @GuillaumePoulin 10 місяців тому +2

      I agree, I wonder if talking through plays instead of just thinking about them is actually a level a difficulty added to this. Wonder if LSV notices a different in the quality of his play when off stream.

  • @mad1337nes
    @mad1337nes 10 місяців тому +6

    1:32:40 that's a super hot play. Like, mind blowingly techy

    • @Mebimuffo
      @Mebimuffo 8 місяців тому

      That was cool yeah!

  • @NatePrawdzik
    @NatePrawdzik 10 місяців тому +7

    This one was a good case for the premise that no matter how good you are, it's just not possible to consistently both be an entertaining narrator and play flawlessly at the same time.

  • @bumpasaurus487
    @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому +2

    31:29 you could win by: just play island, then kappa cannoneer for one blue and tap 5 artifacts. Then just copy it with reflection of kiki. It comes into play with haste and is a 5/5 after giving itself a counter, then play zuran orb making 2 sharks (with the orb for 3 counters), making Kappa 8/8, then chrome Mox for 2 more sharks (with the mox itself for 3 more) makes kappa 11//11, then brain freeze makes 2 more sharks puts him up to 13/13, then cast wheel of fortune for 2 more sharks 15/15. Then go to attacks, and attack with everything, the 15/15 unblockable hasty kappa cannoneer token, the goblin shaman token, both seedsharks, the trinket mage, and syr ginger which is 6/4 after sacrificing the treasure earlier. Then you get another treasure from goblin which gives kappa another counter and syr too after sacrificing it.
    He can only make 2 more fliers to chump both seedsharks, and the one servo he has can chump trinket, zirda blocks goblin shaman, and just the 4/4 is left to block Syr, so 3 points of trample get through plus the 16/16 unblockable kappa makes 19 points of damage and he’s at 17.

    • @Willd2p2
      @Willd2p2 10 місяців тому

      This is close but has a few issues. The first issue is that Syr doesn't have trample unless an opponent controls a planeswalker, so if the rest was possible the opponent could still block all the damage except the Kappa and survive on 1. The second issue is that we don't have enough mana because in this line the Treasure Token needs to tap to cast Kappa and also sac for a mana as part of the 2 spells + kiki copy but it needs to tap in order to sacrifice so it can't be used for both (and casting Wheel means we can't do it later in the turn after we get the treasure from the token attacking - we could hope to draw a different

    • @edwardbeshers
      @edwardbeshers 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Willd2p2 Dovin's Veto can't counter creature spells, so the Cannoneer would come down. Agree with your other points, I couldn't quite see a path to lethal on that turn. Would have to wait and maybe copy on OP's turn, and it might all get cleaned up by Winds of Abandon anyway depending on when that was drawn.
      Regardless, Cannoneer was the play that turn, LSV seemed a bit tunnel visioned on the Brain Freeze plan.

    • @Willd2p2
      @Willd2p2 10 місяців тому +1

      @@edwardbeshers Right of course, was so focused on it possibly countering everything else in the lines LSV was talking about that I forgot it couldn't actually counter the Cannoneer. I agree that it was probably the best play on that turn, even with it not being lethal (worst case for the opponent they have to cast a very bad upheaval).

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Willd2p2 you are correct about trample, I missed that. But you are wrong on mana, as there was enough as is, and you can’t tap the treasure to cast cannoneer AND sac it for mana, as you have to tap as part of the sacrifice cost.

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому +1

      @@Willd2p2 dovins veto counters non creatures tho, so it has no relevance to my original line. I was assuming it was going to counter the wheel of fortune play, which was only important for the shark tokens artifacts.

  • @SamiNami
    @SamiNami 10 місяців тому +3

    spinning the wheels, but no gas, a lsv special

  • @atcook87
    @atcook87 10 місяців тому +5

    You mentioned putting in a forest for haywire mite. You could've put in dryad arbor + it works with skullclamp

  • @ReiHost
    @ReiHost 10 місяців тому +5

    Why weren't you using the Reflection to make skullclamp targets that die and then draw you cards no matter their starting toughness?

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому +3

      I was wondering the same, that reflection could have done so much more for him, especially making kappa cannon come out and copied same turn

  • @almogdov
    @almogdov 10 місяців тому +7

    Loved the brainstorm play in the second match and well done playing around it (unknowingly). Most players would probably just pass the turn (I'm 90% sure I would) but you didn't.

    • @haydenbush3545
      @haydenbush3545 10 місяців тому +1

      Luis playing to the wheel of fortune which would have never worked, then luck sacking his way into the lava dart is the most quintessential LSV thing I've seen in a long time. It was beautiful.

  • @tannermattingly4462
    @tannermattingly4462 10 місяців тому +2

    I don't really understand your dislike for Crucible in the Academy decks when you have Zuran Orb. Being able to tap Tolarin Academy, sacrifice it, and tapping it again gets you near immediately to "infinite" mana without even needing too much additional setup. Even just bringing Tolarian Academy from making two mana to four mana for a turn can give you an early power play.

  • @SessionalSalmon
    @SessionalSalmon 10 місяців тому +3

    I’m curious to get your thoughts on this. If pack 3 had a mox emerald, would you take that or Academy?

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому

      Great question, I bet he takes the academy tho. A good follow up question is what about ruby or sapphire next. He def takes time walk and ancestral over it I think, lotus I’m not so sure tho🤔🤔🤷‍♂️

  • @andymion
    @andymion 10 місяців тому +1

    Wow, Dustin Stern. Nothing brings the old timers out like some cube.

  • @cptfairgraves9120
    @cptfairgraves9120 10 місяців тому

    Can you, at 1:10:00 activate the ability of Reckoner Banbuster after you declare blockers to still draw a card before it dies?
    Ignore this. I just realized that crewing it obviously turns it into a creature, thus it is affected by summoning sickness, idk why i missed that.

  • @bumpasaurus487
    @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому +2

    41:16 use your zuran orb at least!😂

  • @joshuajacobino2636
    @joshuajacobino2636 9 місяців тому

    Do you use mana traders to have access to cards on Moto?

  • @yu-djinn
    @yu-djinn 10 місяців тому +4

    I feel like most times Luis neglects the forces, when it’s a viable pick, it backfires somehow

    • @oberonz2372
      @oberonz2372 10 місяців тому +1

      not taking force there was crazy...it was so good in his deck too.

  • @EbolaMuffins
    @EbolaMuffins 10 місяців тому +3

    Gotta give Karn the respect he only so slightly deserves 😡😂

  • @jonathanemontgomery
    @jonathanemontgomery 10 місяців тому +8

    Lutri not getting picked is a crime. it’s free real estate!

  • @jrjamesson
    @jrjamesson 10 місяців тому

    in match 2 game 1, was there a reason you didn't draw with the bankbuster before it died when it was double blocking the adventurer? What else were you saving your mana for? (I can't imagine it was for brain freeze at taht point in the game)

    • @jrjamesson
      @jrjamesson 10 місяців тому

      also, in game 3 you definitely did have lethal after you milled them out, there were enough non-summoning sick incubators to wake up and send in and they wouldn't have enough blockers to get them all plus shark. sweet game though!

    • @ZacharyBurr
      @ZacharyBurr 10 місяців тому

      When the bankbuster got crewed there it then had summoning sickness, so can't be tapped to use the ability.

  • @ouiouifrenchbred1127
    @ouiouifrenchbred1127 10 місяців тому +4

    I wonder if Forensic Gadgeteer would be a good addition to the cube...

    • @jonnanino
      @jonnanino 10 місяців тому

      Woah that card seems dope. Given LSVs preference for Academy decks id almost be surprised if it didnt at least get a shot

  • @LoaphMeat
    @LoaphMeat 10 місяців тому +4

    This was a wheely good deck

  • @g.n.s.
    @g.n.s. 10 місяців тому +1

    I was messing around with Retrofitter in the Arena Cube last night actually. It’s a little better than it used to be with the generally lower cost spells and whatnot but my god that card is good.

  • @christeralmond1081
    @christeralmond1081 10 місяців тому +5

    It looks like these zero-interaction do-nothing draw-7 decks aren't that great, especially since the opponent can have Sheoldred, Bowmasters or some other hosers in their deck. Also skipping that Force of Negation (interaction) for a mediocre artifact seemed way too greedy.

    • @Bakeddru
      @Bakeddru 10 місяців тому

      He did lose turn 2 to bowmasters wheel though it is a broken deck when it works he just needed a breach tbh

  • @BetaJim22
    @BetaJim22 10 місяців тому

    chrome moxing the Wheel away I think was terrible. Yes, it didn't look like you would be able to resolve it through dovin's veto but getting rid of it yourself just lets him veto something else instead. Also you couldn't use the mana for anything. I also think there was an argument to brainfreezing the turn after he cast dig simply because it didn't seem like he found the combo which means it was very likely you'd mill it but would have to decide if you could beat the board. So not sure if it was right, but should have been considered.

  • @Semnyi
    @Semnyi 10 місяців тому +2

    @LSV could you make a video talking about the artwork and trophies in your background? thanks for all the great content

    • @lostalone9320
      @lostalone9320 10 місяців тому

      I believe they are the various trophies Luis won as a pro (plus one he took as collateral when he loaned Reid Duke cab fare) and original artworks from MtG cards.

  • @nottoday9098
    @nottoday9098 10 місяців тому +2

    shoulder is so powerful of a card. Its deceptive when you first look at it imo

    • @timcollins4213
      @timcollins4213 10 місяців тому +1

      Assuming you mean sheoldred, not sure what’s deceptive about it….

    • @janschlupp6958
      @janschlupp6958 10 місяців тому

      No ETB, literally dies to doom blade, I can see how it doesn't quite look like most of the busted creatures they've printed recently.@@timcollins4213

  • @matthewlarson9162
    @matthewlarson9162 10 місяців тому

    Love the mtgo name, Nae’Blis from 2nd round opponent. WoT is a great series. I’m currently on book 8 in my reread.

    • @Ian-ig4ho
      @Ian-ig4ho 10 місяців тому +1

      Brandon Sanderson, who wrote the last books, used to be in LSV's twitch chat on occasion. He was cool and LSV confirmed he's a WoT fan too.

    • @matthewlarson9162
      @matthewlarson9162 10 місяців тому

      @@Ian-ig4ho holy shit thats wild

  • @EnricoPascolo
    @EnricoPascolo 10 місяців тому +1

    How about adding glacial chasm for lands? I want this gitrog to look cooler, the card deserves it

  • @daviddegregoriom1366
    @daviddegregoriom1366 10 місяців тому

    how come I've never seen a necropotence in these cubes?

  • @Tom-bb3fm
    @Tom-bb3fm 10 місяців тому

    No Sandiest of Dogs?

  • @babahase2624
    @babahase2624 10 місяців тому

    Is Leyline of the Guildpact from MKM getting a spinn in a future itteration?

    • @bricelory9534
      @bricelory9534 10 місяців тому +5

      I would be surprised if it made it in... 5 color decks are already pretty viable with how good the mana is in this Cube, and the other fringe benefits (like Valakut) don't seem worth it either. Only having 1 in a deck means it is much less likely to be in your opening hand, so you've got this clunky 4-mana do nothing card most of the time.

    • @kaiseremotion854
      @kaiseremotion854 10 місяців тому

      @@bricelory9534 a card I'd like to see is the new massacre girl that gives things wither

    • @LSVargas
      @LSVargas  10 місяців тому +9

      Unlikely, seems terrible

  • @zivkobabz
    @zivkobabz 10 місяців тому

    This sounds like a raincoat stream before i even press play.

  • @MisterDuckMcMan
    @MisterDuckMcMan 10 місяців тому

    I wonder how dark blast compares to lava dart in the context of this cube

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому

      Strange question, dark blast wouldn’t be playable I don’t think. There’s no dredge archetype, and the black removal at one mana is so much better. Lava dart is only mildly playable and is so because it gets 2 spells on the stack, occasionally kills 2 creatures for only one card and a land, and with agro red decks as much burn as possible is good.

  • @KoJayClutch
    @KoJayClutch 10 місяців тому

    It was a shame not to take advantage on the displacer kitten, because teferi, time raveler showed up right next to it. It is a "infinite" mana combo and it allows you to draw your whole deck

    • @peeporiot9948
      @peeporiot9948 10 місяців тому +1

      He hates displacer kitten; he did that line a few videos back and it never worked.

  • @jasmint6703
    @jasmint6703 10 місяців тому

    Drafting like it's 2023!!

  • @Stokkeland23
    @Stokkeland23 10 місяців тому

    Your evaluation of Chromatic Star and Mind Twist as independent cards are nuts to me 😂
    I think of Chromatic Star as a card that is barely cube worthy.
    It's just a 1 mana artifact dork that recycles itself.
    I think of Mind Twist as being in the same power level as like a Fractured Identity.
    If it resolves and you cast it for 4 or 5 mana it usually just wins you the game.
    I think your evaluation of these two cards are the ones i disagree with you the most overall.
    I do agree with you on like 98% of cards maybe on how powerful they are.
    I just don't get what you have against Mind Twist.
    It's a very "un fun" magic card and that's why many hate it i think.

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому

      I doubt “unfunness” would effect LSV’s assessment of a cards worth. I do agree and feel he both overvalues star and undervalues twist, but just barely. I also think mind twist is not always comparable to something like fractured loyalty, because it’s much more high variance. If your opponent only has 2 or 3 cards by the time you play it, it’s not always that great, and if their board is strong, it can waste your turn not playing to the board. Fractured is always great if you can survive to put it on the stack, as it both deals with best threat and give you one.
      Also, I think the reason LSV undervalues mindtwist and in the past library, is only because they used to be like top picks after power and have dropped a lot, tho he goes way too far occasionally in that mode, like I remember a few months ago he would pass library for something like currency converter, another great card he takes a few notches higher than I do.

    • @Stokkeland23
      @Stokkeland23 10 місяців тому

      @@bumpasaurus487 Library vs Currency Converter depends on how many colors i am playing for me.
      If i'm just 1 or 2 colors i will pick the Library.
      If i'm 3 or more i'm taking the Converter.
      I rate Currency Converter very highly.
      It just goes in anything and protects you vs discard as a bonus.
      With Library i feel you need cheap interactive spells that trade 1 for 1.
      I don't rate Library as highly as others do.
      I think it's good, i think it's 1st pickable, but it also depends on what you already got, and it's power level has decreased over tome.

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому

      @@Stokkeland23 ya, I agree retrofitter is a high pick, but I’m comparing the two for first pick or early enough where it’s not so much about what you have or are drafting yet. Library has gotten really good lately as there are so many cheap interactive cards, regardless of trying for them.

    • @kchorn1
      @kchorn1 10 місяців тому +1

      Fractured Identity is good against any deck that plays good permanents; if your opponent isn't playing good permanents, then either they're storm or they're a bad deck that you'll win against anyway.
      Mind Twist is:
      bad against aggro, who empty their hand before you can cast it
      not great against blue control, who can counter it and then you've wasted your whole turn
      bad against reanimator, underworld breach, and other decks that use their graveyard
      When is it really good? either (i) against midrange, or (ii) when you can power it out in the early turns with fast mana. If a card is only good when you cast it off Black Lotus, it is not a great card.

    • @Stokkeland23
      @Stokkeland23 10 місяців тому +1

      @@kchorn1 You're out of your mind.
      You can literally cast Mind Twist for 2 mana and it discards 1 card at random.
      That is still a good spell.
      I think Mind Twist is a good card vs just about anything. 1 mana X discard at random.
      Seriously…
      It's one of the better black cards ever made.

  • @MarylandBF
    @MarylandBF 10 місяців тому

    Alot of Lost Caverns cards in the cube

  • @tehchives
    @tehchives 10 місяців тому +1

    First on a spicy Sunday? 👀

  • @troyrussell177
    @troyrussell177 10 місяців тому +1

    12:15 how isn’t the pick the mana vault. Mana vault is good with most of his deck. Hullbreaker is good with two cards 🤷

    • @bumpasaurus487
      @bumpasaurus487 10 місяців тому

      Hullbreacher is incredible on its own, and usually game ending in combo with the draw sevens. That’s why it’s such a high pick, it’s a combo card that also is just great by itself. Maybe a little like reanimate, a solid card in any deck, but combined with certain others, game ending.

  • @dasfabelwesen
    @dasfabelwesen 10 місяців тому

    Lutri so free, or am i mistaken

  • @chunkymonkey428
    @chunkymonkey428 10 місяців тому +1

    Day two of requesting Professional Facebreaker to be added to the cube it would go crazy in the red aggro decks

  • @roccodemaro4305
    @roccodemaro4305 10 місяців тому

    As an aside, I’d love to see these guys remove all the multiplayer cards from their cube for a few months & see what metas bubble up

  • @micahkeyser-rothgery1033
    @micahkeyser-rothgery1033 10 місяців тому

    I believe I speak for many people when I say I miss the stipulation drafts. What if you guys still did a team draft but the four of you as a team picked a stipulation from a list for each member and the other team did the same. So maybe you get mono white wide open because the other team didn’t pick that, so there’s strategy on what to pick for each team and in the draft you could maybe figure out your neighbors stipulation and cut them off of it some

  • @manfredire8370
    @manfredire8370 10 місяців тому

    Day 1 of proposing an idea for content.
    - You get 2 subscriber to draft with you, one for each team
    - They will record all the draft and matches
    - You review their drafts and matches and post the video
    Like if you like it!
    Comment for some improvements or suggestions.

  • @pietro750
    @pietro750 10 місяців тому

    G1M1 was the worst thing I've seen in mtg in years.

  • @cesarramon4636
    @cesarramon4636 10 місяців тому

    .

  • @amdadhassan7532
    @amdadhassan7532 10 місяців тому

    You got destroyed

  • @lucassanders7227
    @lucassanders7227 10 місяців тому

    LSV hates True Name sooo much lol.

  • @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp
    @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp 10 місяців тому +19

    For those who are complaining on the previous video about “not hitting the same as a few months ago”:
    You are delusional. I get as much joy as ever with every single video. It became an important part of my day.
    Keep up the excellent work, LSV! We love you! 🤍

    • @rezzytheskyguy
      @rezzytheskyguy 10 місяців тому +7

      I haven't seen anyone make that complaint? Weird comment on a video where zero people have expressed that opinion lmao i have literally never seen anyone say that.

    • @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp
      @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp 10 місяців тому

      Maybe try watching the last video and read the most liked comment. Weird that ppl dont read or know what they are talking about these days.

    • @trentjones5881
      @trentjones5881 10 місяців тому +1

      It could be the same every time but his comments and the variety of options changes. Those folks need to take a hike! Someone else commented on him coaching someone. He’s done just that with @paulcheon the last couple weeks.

    • @grantwu407
      @grantwu407 10 місяців тому +6

      A subjective opinion is "delusional"? Are we not allowed to like and dislike what we want now?

    • @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp
      @GabrielGarcia-ss1cp 10 місяців тому

      ⁠@@trentjones5881 exactly! His comments and variety always does the trick! It would’ve been the same as complaining about soccer because it’s always played with the same amount of ppl and with a ball lol