The way that the first match ended was so nice! It’s a good example of why Magic is an incredible game and Luis is a masterclass player. Another day, another Cube, another good LSV video!
bro this was so fun watching you navigate these matchups and turns. the whole sequence of turns to end the last game and some of the other wins was gold. hell yeah winning as a dog against 3 moxen etc
No consideration for playing portal with show and tell? I always thought portal and archon were 2 of the best ones cause they trump the opponents creature.
It’s a bit narrow, especially in a deck without tutors. The creatures work with Oath AND Show and tell. Either they’re in your deck or in your hand. More often than not you’ll be stuck with a nine mana uncastable in your hand begging to find a combo piece that doesn’t even immediately win the game
@@kevincullers4927 you’re talking about why he decided to not play it. I’m merely saying why not bring it up and at least talk about why or why not, I’m very curious to hear his thought process on it.
Why would the opponent do that with Oath on the board, unless it was beneficial to them to do so? The way S&T resolves, they would know that we chose to put in nothing. All that play does is open you up to getting blown out by a fatty you don't know about.
It's an interesting line for sure. Much more likely to work against a less skilled player. But he's also not giving up a ton, because I don't know how likely it is that show and tell is used to drop something in play this game. And he still has mana up for edict + lutri with the spirit guide.
@@brianh5844 Even an unskilled player isn't going to put a creature out vs a face-up Oath, knowing that you declined to put one out with it, unless it wins them the game. This line opens you up to losing on the spot. It is an interesting idea, though, if the Oath was still in hand.
@@ducktales2020 But you could not decline if you have a land, artifact, or enchant to drop in, in which case they might assume you're about to drop a fatty and figure they may as well get something in if they have an expensive creature of their own in hand. They don't know your card isn't a creature until it's too late (though again, this is why I don't think it would work against a good player in most instances). I could definitely see some people falling for that though.
Would Emrakul have any role in a deck like this? Seems like it might be a nice way to shuffle creatures back into the deck which seemed to be an issue several times. It might also be decent with Show and Tell. It wheeled in pack one or two, and of course the child in me wanted to see Emrakul Oathed into play.
I was surprised by the Lutri over Mystical Tutor pick, given how all-in on Oath the deck was at that point. Plus I can't recall ever seeing even a minorly impressive use of Lutri in your videos (indeed you never cast it this draft). It seems super underwhelming to me in general, and when the trade-off was a sorely needed tutor I feel like it was an odd pick? Loved the video though, so much improvising and barely scraping by with a "plucky" deck.
______ Goblin should just stay in the cube. It doesn't really use stickers here, and it is a great support piece for one of the most fun decks in big red
hey lsv, question! What are your thoughts on doing 4 packs of 11/12 in a 6 man draft instead of the 3 15s? My friends and I use this method for 6 mans and the deck quality feels almost identical to an 8 man draft
I don't understand the Oath P1P2. Even if LSV wanted it he could wheel it. He could probably _double_ wheel it. It's not like anyone else is going to take it, even the reanimator player.
@@LSVargas Picking it seems fine. This card has such an outsize impact on future picks that it can be a disaster if you act like you have it and you don't end up with it. It's not like the rest of the pack was that amazing anyway.
@@rossmcbeath4997 yeah though there are also less future picks to be impacted in a 6-player pod---and less people to take it---so it's less risky overall than usual
I thought Jace, Weilder of Mysteries should have been picked on the wheel. Oath can standstill the game and Jace is pretty good then. Can also just randomly win some games with Oath milling yourself out. Also fine with a lot of disruption if you can keep the board under control.
I watch your videos everyday! Thanks for posting. I rarely comment but I had to come here to provide some feedback. You passed Ulamog and Emrikal - both allow you to reshuffle and work well with oath as they have good attack triggers. As others mentioned, portal works well with show and tell and it helps your reanimate aspect of the deck. I noticed you (like me haha) over value certain cards out of habit. You also undervalue cards (as we all do). Specifically though, the eldrazi’s and the jitte, need to be taken earlier
People are not fighting over combo in pack 2-3. The strength of the archetype relies on wheeling cards that are 10/10 for you and 0/10 for your opponents
why was this deck playing yavimaya? the only double green card is vaultborn tyrant so it’s just a forest that can’t be fetched by misty and fixes your opponent
the fact that these videos are 100% indistinguishable from actual MTGO draft videos is a bit sad. There are no stakes, the draft pod varies in size, which completely changes the landscape of the draft, something I don't really care for. 8-man pods are the only way to go. Us having to keep track of the ever-changing card list that changes at the whim of whoever got tilted that day - ill pass. MTGO cube is literally up right now.
“What I’m worried about is a Flickerwisp or something”
Flickerwisp immediately goes on the stack.
Excellent watch. Seeing you struggle and wriggle off the hook in multiple games is much more enlightening than usual
The way that the first match ended was so nice! It’s a good example of why Magic is an incredible game and Luis is a masterclass player. Another day, another Cube, another good LSV video!
Fr I would’ve absolutely conceded that game if I was in his shoes
bro this was so fun watching you navigate these matchups and turns. the whole sequence of turns to end the last game and some of the other wins was gold. hell yeah winning as a dog against 3 moxen etc
R1G3 Was an absolute all timer what an insane game
Luis “They Didn’t Clamp It” Scott-Vargas
@@NatePrawdzik Loooo ease
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I appreciate the educated responses 😅
No consideration for playing portal with show and tell? I always thought portal and archon were 2 of the best ones cause they trump the opponents creature.
It’s a bit narrow, especially in a deck without tutors. The creatures work with Oath AND Show and tell. Either they’re in your deck or in your hand. More often than not you’ll be stuck with a nine mana uncastable in your hand begging to find a combo piece that doesn’t even immediately win the game
@@kevincullers4927 you’re talking about why he decided to not play it. I’m merely saying why not bring it up and at least talk about why or why not, I’m very curious to hear his thought process on it.
wow, some really great games! one of the best vids yet
At 49:00 I am curious if ultimate Jace could be a win con. Would have to bounce one ring.
But hey worked out.
At 1:08:00 is there an argument for Show and Tell, put in nothing to trick them into turning on your Oath?
Why would the opponent do that with Oath on the board, unless it was beneficial to them to do so? The way S&T resolves, they would know that we chose to put in nothing. All that play does is open you up to getting blown out by a fatty you don't know about.
It's an interesting line for sure. Much more likely to work against a less skilled player. But he's also not giving up a ton, because I don't know how likely it is that show and tell is used to drop something in play this game. And he still has mana up for edict + lutri with the spirit guide.
@@brianh5844 Even an unskilled player isn't going to put a creature out vs a face-up Oath, knowing that you declined to put one out with it, unless it wins them the game. This line opens you up to losing on the spot. It is an interesting idea, though, if the Oath was still in hand.
@@ducktales2020 But you could not decline if you have a land, artifact, or enchant to drop in, in which case they might assume you're about to drop a fatty and figure they may as well get something in if they have an expensive creature of their own in hand. They don't know your card isn't a creature until it's too late (though again, this is why I don't think it would work against a good player in most instances). I could definitely see some people falling for that though.
Adding this one to my favorites. Extremely entertaining
finally an oath deck! Don’t even remember when LSV play oath last time 😢
The game where you lost almost all your creatures was incredible ❤
Restless Vinestalk MVP
Luis being surprised from the gittog monster he saw g1 was funny.
Yesterday I forced Oath early plus complimented it with reanimator and/or Show/Sneak styles and went 8-1. Card is legit.
Would Emrakul have any role in a deck like this? Seems like it might be a nice way to shuffle creatures back into the deck which seemed to be an issue several times. It might also be decent with Show and Tell. It wheeled in pack one or two, and of course the child in me wanted to see Emrakul Oathed into play.
I was surprised by the Lutri over Mystical Tutor pick, given how all-in on Oath the deck was at that point. Plus I can't recall ever seeing even a minorly impressive use of Lutri in your videos (indeed you never cast it this draft). It seems super underwhelming to me in general, and when the trade-off was a sorely needed tutor I feel like it was an odd pick?
Loved the video though, so much improvising and barely scraping by with a "plucky" deck.
18:39 why wouldn't you want portal in a deck running show and tell?
I feel like anytime i see a mtgo draft video with "surely" in the title it's just going to be either insanely silly draws or get crushed
______ Goblin should just stay in the cube. It doesn't really use stickers here, and it is a great support piece for one of the most fun decks in big red
He did stay it is staying in
If one creature keeps the mechanic alive in a way that's not annoying and lets people keep making Deez Nutz jokes, it's worth it.
@@LaserfaceJonesit dosnt even. name sticker goblin on mtgo bears almost no similarities to ____ goblin in paper even mind jokes
I was hoping for the 3-0! Love to see Oath shine since it is from my favorite mtg set of all time, Exodus! ❤️
hey lsv, question! What are your thoughts on doing 4 packs of 11/12 in a 6 man draft instead of the 3 15s? My friends and I use this method for 6 mans and the deck quality feels almost identical to an 8 man draft
It’s something they’ve done previously on a couple occasions. They’ll probably do some more of it down the road.
don’t call me Shirley.
oath is easily one of the most fun cards in the cube, I hope it sticks around, even if it isnt all that good.
Surely
I don't understand the Oath P1P2. Even if LSV wanted it he could wheel it. He could probably _double_ wheel it. It's not like anyone else is going to take it, even the reanimator player.
Likely true hah
@@LSVargas Picking it seems fine. This card has such an outsize impact on future picks that it can be a disaster if you act like you have it and you don't end up with it. It's not like the rest of the pack was that amazing anyway.
@@rossmcbeath4997 yeah though there are also less future picks to be impacted in a 6-player pod---and less people to take it---so it's less risky overall than usual
I thought Jace, Weilder of Mysteries should have been picked on the wheel. Oath can standstill the game and Jace is pretty good then. Can also just randomly win some games with Oath milling yourself out. Also fine with a lot of disruption if you can keep the board under control.
Why didn't go for +2 jace and try to ult?
I watch your videos everyday! Thanks for posting.
I rarely comment but I had to come here to provide some feedback.
You passed Ulamog and Emrikal - both allow you to reshuffle and work well with oath as they have good attack triggers.
As others mentioned, portal works well with show and tell and it helps your reanimate aspect of the deck.
I noticed you (like me haha) over value certain cards out of habit. You also undervalue cards (as we all do). Specifically though, the eldrazi’s and the jitte, need to be taken earlier
why is forbidden orchard not in cube?
What about the Portal w/ Show & Tell?
Time to clock out 4 lunch
Show and tell + portal would be very good against domain
These are the unluckiest draws I've ever seen. Wow.
That'll teach you for speccing on oath I guess.
I mean, 2-1 where the only loss was against the nuts is unlikely to teach him any lessons
banger title
Those draws in game 2 couldn’t have been worse if they were stacked by your opponent.
Why does combo end up being worse in six player? I would assume less people fighting over combo pieces would be helpful
Less cards get opened. Less combo pieces etc
@@rezzytheskyguy makes sense
People are not fighting over combo in pack 2-3. The strength of the archetype relies on wheeling cards that are 10/10 for you and 0/10 for your opponents
Why he didn’t use the Gurulands? :o
Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that Oath still won’t go as hoped despite the title…
For the algorithm ⚔️
A L G O R I T H M G A N G
why was this deck playing yavimaya? the only double green card is vaultborn tyrant so it’s just a forest that can’t be fetched by misty and fixes your opponent
the downside of fixing the opponent isn't as big as with Urborg though, green decks are already better at fixing themselves
Oath of druids is a trap!!!
Oath is sooo painful
LSV didn’t notice that Endurance couldn’t target him. 😂
playing with no power against deck with power looks so unfair
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The title is such Copium 😂
the fact that these videos are 100% indistinguishable from actual MTGO draft videos is a bit sad. There are no stakes, the draft pod varies in size, which completely changes the landscape of the draft, something I don't really care for. 8-man pods are the only way to go. Us having to keep track of the ever-changing card list that changes at the whim of whoever got tilted that day - ill pass. MTGO cube is literally up right now.
Ok bye 👋
Yes, famously complete archetypes in an 8 man cube with >360 cards
What is the point of this comment?
Wanted to post that myself 2 hours ago, Luis. Was afraid it’d come off rude if I did it though.
Funniest thing here is the mention of opposition to "change" twice, what a dull mind
Lutri was not cast this entire cube. Why do you overrate the companions so much LSV?
Lutri is extremely overrated in non timewalk decks.