@@shadowphoenixxx It’s a protection and aggro, and good value spell. You can save a creature by fizzling removal with it while also holding up other stuff, you can get etbs from things like spell seeker, and you can double a static ability. Worst case scenario you blow up one of your opponents creatures to give yourself another draw
It gives 2 more etbs so it can essentially act as a clone + extra blink. Most prominently seen in hoarding broodlord for cedh: convoke out broodlord, find saw, saw broodlord to get two of whatever you need to win I forget exactly how the line goes lol
It comes up more often in team draft than normal draft because in situations where you open things 2 off color moxen + fable and your an aggressive red deck its actually better to pick the fable instead of taking a mox and hoping your teammate is a good fable deck
@@jairomyYeah, but they said "off-color." Imagine you're playing a deck with seasoned pyro, figure of destiny, lots of red pips. It's easy to imagine a mox emerald being better used by a teammate than by yourself in that situation.
Do you guys keep any stats on all of these games? Would love to see a breakdown episode on individual win percentages, best cards by wins, best cards to draw in opening hands, etc.
fantastic draft and games. i doubted that kitten would be a better pick over teferi, but it was exceptionally powerful and won several games. fantastic stuff, Luis, thank you
Tom, I don't know how you're going to pull this off, but all you have is a kitten, a tamiyo, a top, a ton of mana, and a stocked graveyard. Godspeed sir.
32:09 why not draw with top and then name top with tamiyo? I agree it’s better to do it the way you were if you know the top of your deck, but if you put top on top you hit a card for sure and only have to pay one extra mana later to get it back down, plus it could be a trigger for kitten.
Your line gets a random card and top in hand. His line gets part of a specific card in hand + top in play to spin on upkeep. I'm guessing the reasoning is that he has really strong cards to dig for that having the selection is more valuable, but it looks close to me
Unless your teammates are actually opening 3 power packs, they might have leaned towards the idea that a pick 1 mox is not as powerful a pick 3 mox for your teammate. when you open double power, pass them both
Thank you so much for all this amazing content! I have caught nearly every YT of yours since day 1, what an incredible treat. 1 piece of constructive criticism. I think the mic could go down maybe 6 inches or so, we are getting a lot of mouth sounds like swallowing and such. Setup is great otherwise, thanks again!
As always, love these drafts - thanks again for doing them, they've become a huge part of my daily routine. One small thing I'm curious about: do you prefer talismans mechanically over signets, or is the choice just because signets are annoying to use on mtgo?
Would you ever consider putting mental misstep into the cube? its not that perasididc since ther is only one of them and its a cool card for every colour to play
Question, why not chumping the Vicious Battlerager with a servo? You lose 5 but don't lose the initiative which caused you tonlose 5 more from trap. You didn't need the servo to kill him.
What is it with these blue aligned planeswalker girls and their love of cats? First Saheeli and Felidar Guardian, and now Tamiyo and Displacer Kitten! Lol
Great question, my initial thought is that it's a toss-up but with the slight advantage that you can better build around Minsc as a pick 1 over a pick 3 whereas Moxes tend to fit in anywhere. So I do think my initial impulse is that the Minsc is a better pick in that situation.
LSV spoke on it in a previous video and I believe it is correct to take a strong card that you know is good for your deck instead of taking the mox and giving a conditionally strong card to your teammate. A mox is always strong so pass it to your opponent and team mate because then they're at parity and you have a strong card for your strategy
In a team draft, if you open a double mox pack, would it be correct to pass them both and just take the 3rd best card? Both teams are going to end up with a mox, it'd just be your teammate instead of you. It may also be the case that the 3rd best card is good for your deck - if you're base red and see a pack with 2 mox and the next best card is fury, you taking the fury guaruntees your teammate down the way gets a mox, which is always playable, whereas if you'd taken the mox they may not be in a position to play the Fury. Funnily, if it's valid, this approach repeats itself. Each player is incentivized to take the 3rd best card when they see the double mox pack because they know taking one of the moxen doesn't result in a gain in the quality of your teams' decks vs your opponents, since both will end up with a mox eventually.
"I'm gonna draw Mox Emerald. It's my top card, I'm manifesting it." Well actually if you Manifest it, it wouldn't really help as a 2/2 creature in this scenario
I read the trilogy a few years ago. I was a huge fan of them but i crave all things sci-fi. The characterization isn't great, thyre flat and boring but I didn't find that that mattered much. It gets absolutely wild in the second and third books.
They are very much classic sci-fi in that they are philosophical in nature and also end up playing with ideas in physics. I think they make very intriguing stories, but they aren't character-driven at all. If that sounds interesting to you, then they're worth giving a go. They can be utterly fascinating if you like exploring philosophy and speculative science.
PSA: being late to pick up kids is a problem that 1 in 5 cube drafter experience on a regular basis. Forget loan forgiveness, can we get some MTG flexibility windows at daycare, please?
Instead on playing the goose and retrofitter, why not stack tamyio on top, knowing that the reanimated creature is archon. If he has instant reanimation then he trades his animation and archon for tamyio. If he has sorcery speed animation, then you play goose and block
Match 2 game 3, why not block the Battlerager with a Retrofitter token? You lose 5 life but you don't give up the initiative, if I understand the mechanic correctly, since it's not combat damage from the Battlerager?
I think the logic is that if there is a very strong card for your deck in the pack and you also open two moxes, it is better for your team to take the card is good for you and pass the Mox that is guaranteed to be good for your teammate, since it is unlikely that your teammate will be able to utilize the “3rd best” card in the pack.
Have you ever tried a team draft where you can communicate with team members while drafting? Would be interesting as a one off to see how it changes the resultant decks.
Opening two moxes is breakeven to pass, and you can easily take a different great card and your team will often be better off than taking one of the moxes. Next guy always takes a mox, so it doesn’t matter so much whether it’s first pick or letting your teammate take it third. That’s likely what happened. If you’re playing red and open two mox and next best card is ragavan or leylia, ur better off passing the two moxes to ensure your team gets to play the best 2/3 cards, cause if your teammates taking 3rd pick can’t play red and you take the mox first, the ragavan is wasted.
It doesn't have the hoof payoffs (4+ mana dorks/natural order etc.) Token creators like retrofitter and saheeli are better in a control shell - by the time they start going off, craterhoof is unnecessary since you'll win even without an alpha strike.
Or possibly double mox + good card. If you open mox, mox, minsc & boo for example, you can pass both so your teammate gets the second mox which will always be good in their deck vs. getting a planeswalker that doesn't match their colors.
Dear LSV! As a representative of the big-eared brushwagg colony of Dominaria, I was honored to send you a message. We, the brushwaggs of Dominaria, absolutely adore your cube content, for sometimes it is literally the last thing our minds resort to in order to not be completely overwhelmed by the turmoil of the events happening (yes, brushwaggs are sapient). If there's only one thing we could ask for, we plead you to stop making the weird-as2 noises when you're thinking through your plays and/or move your mic a little bit further from yourself so that it catches less of those sounds. Sorry to say that, but our big ears are too sensitive to the sounds like "TSH-TSH-TSHHHHHH", all the kinds of tongue-clicking etc. One of our mates was watching your cube video, and, when he heard such a sound for like the 10th time in a row, his thorns just dropped off! And what is a brushwagg without thorns? Please, show some care of the extincting species, which brushwaggs definitely are. Brushwagg lives matter. Peace.
1:23:35 you can use saheeli to make the one ring into a top, use it to draw one card, then next turn you replay the one ring and get protection again
"This seems like a pretty good kitten deck" - just as Garfield intended
garfield hated nermal
I see what you did there.
there's insufficient lasagna in this deck for Garfield
tough cookie kitten deck
Going to throw this out there again, Saw in Half is completely busted. Highly recommend trying it in the cube. Thanks!
Interesting, how is it better than just a straight up clone or something?
U get 2 new etb effects on like atraxa for example@@shadowphoenixxx
@@shadowphoenixxx It’s a protection and aggro, and good value spell. You can save a creature by fizzling removal with it while also holding up other stuff, you can get etbs from things like spell seeker, and you can double a static ability. Worst case scenario you blow up one of your opponents creatures to give yourself another draw
It gives 2 more etbs so it can essentially act as a clone + extra blink. Most prominently seen in hoarding broodlord for cedh: convoke out broodlord, find saw, saw broodlord to get two of whatever you need to win I forget exactly how the line goes lol
@@log8569normally you get sacrifice and peer into the abyss to draw half your deck I think?
My God, that last combat blowout with the kitten and pyrokinesis was a thing a beauty
I can't remember seeing 3rd pick power in hardly any of these drafts. Much less twice in the same draft!
It comes up more often in team draft than normal draft because in situations where you open things 2 off color moxen + fable and your an aggressive red deck its actually better to pick the fable instead of taking a mox and hoping your teammate is a good fable deck
also for situations like academy + 2 moxes, a p1 academy + a p3 mox for your team is a lot stronger than a p1 mox and a p3 academy
@@sethp705 I disagree. Mox in an aggro deck is better than Fable
@@jairomyYeah, but they said "off-color." Imagine you're playing a deck with seasoned pyro, figure of destiny, lots of red pips. It's easy to imagine a mox emerald being better used by a teammate than by yourself in that situation.
I decided to be really nice to LSV
Do you guys keep any stats on all of these games? Would love to see a breakdown episode on individual win percentages, best cards by wins, best cards to draw in opening hands, etc.
Thank you for today's Cube feature length film.
The title once again on fire
3 body problem was great!
32:15 cute spot to name the spell pierce in hand to pretend that you're looking for it
fantastic draft and games. i doubted that kitten would be a better pick over teferi, but it was exceptionally powerful and won several games. fantastic stuff, Luis, thank you
Martel floating 2 moxes to his teammate is genius.
it really is :D
This was the perfect time to finally pick Craterhoof! Rec Sage is replaceable and you have Cradle and Sol Ring to cast hoof.
If he's going off making tokens and stuff with Cradle and Foundry, he doesn't need Craterhoof to win.
I'm sure you had to really twist Martell's arm to play out a Kitten-Tamiyo deck.
Tom, I don't know how you're going to pull this off, but all you have is a kitten, a tamiyo, a top, a ton of mana, and a stocked graveyard. Godspeed sir.
Gave Tom the finishing blow with a perfect kitten setup. What a nice guy
Man lsv's love for mana leak has progressed to the point where he's convinced himself that it's "unconditional" lol
That last match was insane, great watch!
32:09 why not draw with top and then name top with tamiyo? I agree it’s better to do it the way you were if you know the top of your deck, but if you put top on top you hit a card for sure and only have to pay one extra mana later to get it back down, plus it could be a trigger for kitten.
Your line gets a random card and top in hand. His line gets part of a specific card in hand + top in play to spin on upkeep.
I'm guessing the reasoning is that he has really strong cards to dig for that having the selection is more valuable, but it looks close to me
1:15:00
"If I get another turn here" - LSV with 3 layers of protection from everything vs. the creature deck.
Sick kitten-tamiyo turn at the end, I think those are my favorite 2-card package in the cube.
“Power overwhelming”-Protoss Archon
Didn't hope to get this reference here, regret nothing
one of the best combat blowouts I've ever seen.
Clever title and a great show tbh
🎉 interactive decks are so fun to watch, congratulations
27:53 This is hilarious. Grist wouldn’t allow Kitten to blink the Coat. 😂
of course not it’s a 1/1 creature
I would love to see mental misstep on the cube. Card is so strong
49:24 could have put Tamiyo on top - the flavour text ability gives immunity to sac and discard!
Unless your teammates are actually opening 3 power packs, they might have leaned towards the idea that a pick 1 mox is not as powerful a pick 3 mox for your teammate. when you open double power, pass them both
Two Luis's with 3 pieces of power each. This must be a glitch in the matrix.
Thank you so much for all this amazing content! I have caught nearly every YT of yours since day 1, what an incredible treat.
1 piece of constructive criticism. I think the mic could go down maybe 6 inches or so, we are getting a lot of mouth sounds like swallowing and such. Setup is great otherwise, thanks again!
As always, love these drafts - thanks again for doing them, they've become a huge part of my daily routine. One small thing I'm curious about: do you prefer talismans mechanically over signets, or is the choice just because signets are annoying to use on mtgo?
3-body problem reference on the day after the eclipse? Chefs kiss
Skipped out on your " Side hustle" for daycare and your kids?!?! 😂 God bless you for having that option 🙄
Would you ever consider putting mental misstep into the cube? its not that perasididc since ther is only one of them and its a cool card for every colour to play
fifteen picks taking moxen and sol rings,
now a shrink's like I dunno, maybe get a kitten
Hey Kirby
Pro Tour Champion™ Tom Martell, Esq does it again!
Question, why not chumping the Vicious Battlerager with a servo? You lose 5 but don't lose the initiative which caused you tonlose 5 more from trap. You didn't need the servo to kill him.
The moxes are on color to boot!
What is it with these blue aligned planeswalker girls and their love of cats? First Saheeli and Felidar Guardian, and now Tamiyo and Displacer Kitten! Lol
11:15 LSV lists 4/5 good cards to consider and then takes the unlisted one
that's how he usually talks about packs
If you open a double mox pack p1p1 in team draft, if there's another very strong card i.e. minsc. Is it better to take Minsc?
Great question, my initial thought is that it's a toss-up but with the slight advantage that you can better build around Minsc as a pick 1 over a pick 3 whereas Moxes tend to fit in anywhere.
So I do think my initial impulse is that the Minsc is a better pick in that situation.
LSV spoke on it in a previous video and I believe it is correct to take a strong card that you know is good for your deck instead of taking the mox and giving a conditionally strong card to your teammate.
A mox is always strong so pass it to your opponent and team mate because then they're at parity and you have a strong card for your strategy
In a team draft, if you open a double mox pack, would it be correct to pass them both and just take the 3rd best card? Both teams are going to end up with a mox, it'd just be your teammate instead of you.
It may also be the case that the 3rd best card is good for your deck - if you're base red and see a pack with 2 mox and the next best card is fury, you taking the fury guaruntees your teammate down the way gets a mox, which is always playable, whereas if you'd taken the mox they may not be in a position to play the Fury.
Funnily, if it's valid, this approach repeats itself. Each player is incentivized to take the 3rd best card when they see the double mox pack because they know taking one of the moxen doesn't result in a gain in the quality of your teams' decks vs your opponents, since both will end up with a mox eventually.
"I'm gonna draw Mox Emerald. It's my top card, I'm manifesting it."
Well actually if you Manifest it, it wouldn't really help as a 2/2 creature in this scenario
laughed at lsv saying that mana leak was a way to unconditionally stop a spell
THE THREE POWER PROBLEM hahahaha LSV you are an absolute gem. Watched the show with your recommendation, did not disappoint. Well played bro
The anxiety i felt when he was like "i wanna leave up spell pierce"...
What a great video!
Are the 3 Body Problem books worth reading? The show was way above my expectations
I loved the first book! I havent read the rest of the series yet but the first book was outstanding
I read the trilogy a few years ago. I was a huge fan of them but i crave all things sci-fi. The characterization isn't great, thyre flat and boring but I didn't find that that mattered much. It gets absolutely wild in the second and third books.
They are very much classic sci-fi in that they are philosophical in nature and also end up playing with ideas in physics. I think they make very intriguing stories, but they aren't character-driven at all. If that sounds interesting to you, then they're worth giving a go. They can be utterly fascinating if you like exploring philosophy and speculative science.
I had to put them away for a bit because it's a book about humanity more than it is Sci fi
May be a dumb question but why not manage leak the mox or black lotus? Do you want to save it to counter the spell it’s being used to cast?
supreme drafting
Was that Green Box third pick a pack with two Moxes and a Lotus?? What happened with the third pick Mox Ruby?
I used to respect LSV but then I saw that Malevolent Hermit art and now suddenly Finkel is the greatest player of all time...
PSA: being late to pick up kids is a problem that 1 in 5 cube drafter experience on a regular basis. Forget loan forgiveness, can we get some MTG flexibility windows at daycare, please?
Instead on playing the goose and retrofitter, why not stack tamyio on top, knowing that the reanimated creature is archon. If he has instant reanimation then he trades his animation and archon for tamyio. If he has sorcery speed animation, then you play goose and block
Two 3rd pick moxes is wild hahahaha
Martell likely opened dual power and Academy...
Match 2 game 3, why not block the Battlerager with a Retrofitter token? You lose 5 life but you don't give up the initiative, if I understand the mechanic correctly, since it's not combat damage from the Battlerager?
Fire
Only a science nerd would give a VC video this title
This will be a stretch, but three power means 3-0?
Why not play seat of the synod over island?
Can be destroyed by any spell that can destroy artifacts.
only has a tiny upside with urza.
Luis gets 3 pieces of power!*
*he didn't open 2 of them
Poor Craterhoof
Damn, whens the last time there was a triple power pack in a normal draft.
maybe somebody misclicked?
I think the logic is that if there is a very strong card for your deck in the pack and you also open two moxes, it is better for your team to take the card is good for you and pass the Mox that is guaranteed to be good for your teammate, since it is unlikely that your teammate will be able to utilize the “3rd best” card in the pack.
twice!
@@christopherbarna7957 that sounds very reasonable in a team event
Have you ever tried a team draft where you can communicate with team members while drafting? Would be interesting as a one off to see how it changes the resultant decks.
How does LSV manage to get 2 pieces of power pick 3?? These packs must have been busted
Opening two moxes is breakeven to pass, and you can easily take a different great card and your team will often be better off than taking one of the moxes. Next guy always takes a mox, so it doesn’t matter so much whether it’s first pick or letting your teammate take it third. That’s likely what happened. If you’re playing red and open two mox and next best card is ragavan or leylia, ur better off passing the two moxes to ensure your team gets to play the best 2/3 cards, cause if your teammates taking 3rd pick can’t play red and you take the mox first, the ragavan is wasted.
Exactly this
If this deck isn’t taking pick 12 hoof I think it’s gotta go 💀
It doesn't have the hoof payoffs (4+ mana dorks/natural order etc.) Token creators like retrofitter and saheeli are better in a control shell - by the time they start going off, craterhoof is unnecessary since you'll win even without an alpha strike.
Wouldn't they be triple power packs if you're getting power 3rd pick?
Or possibly double mox + good card. If you open mox, mox, minsc & boo for example, you can pass both so your teammate gets the second mox which will always be good in their deck vs. getting a planeswalker that doesn't match their colors.
Dear LSV! As a representative of the big-eared brushwagg colony of Dominaria, I was honored to send you a message. We, the brushwaggs of Dominaria, absolutely adore your cube content, for sometimes it is literally the last thing our minds resort to in order to not be completely overwhelmed by the turmoil of the events happening (yes, brushwaggs are sapient). If there's only one thing we could ask for, we plead you to stop making the weird-as2 noises when you're thinking through your plays and/or move your mic a little bit further from yourself so that it catches less of those sounds. Sorry to say that, but our big ears are too sensitive to the sounds like "TSH-TSH-TSHHHHHH", all the kinds of tongue-clicking etc. One of our mates was watching your cube video, and, when he heard such a sound for like the 10th time in a row, his thorns just dropped off! And what is a brushwagg without thorns? Please, show some care of the extincting species, which brushwaggs definitely are. Brushwagg lives matter. Peace.
LSV manages to make a 3 power deck look mediocre by passing high powered non blue/red for extremely mid red/blue cards
All the POWER !!!!!