This means both the pokemon timeline and the ace attorney timeline can be mapped out by one date, that's kind of crazy, and both also occur near to the Meiji Restoration in their games that take place in the past.
5:07 to be fair we also have Caitlin a young girl from Pokèmon Platinum being a grown adult in Black and White so i think we can be sure that some years have passed
Fun fact, ORAS actually take place about a decade later in the timeline than RSE! In one of the Pokémon Centers (Mauville, I believe) is an npc that describes how the Centers used to look, describing how they were in the Gen 3 games.
14:48 I believe it wasn’t explicitly stated what kind of disease Wally had, but could it be that it makes him have a growth hormone issue making it appear as he doesn’t age as much?
@ Yes, breathing problems are stated by his family. The point is that we don’t have a diagnosis for whatever it is and it could even be that he actually has more than one disease!
It’s a respiratory ailment of some sort. The games seem to suggest it’s a form of asthma, while the Adventures manga makes it something more severe (but idk if they give it a name)
15:00 because Wally does not appear outside the battle tree to have a canonical interaction with the player character he does not count and does not confuse things. The battle tree is a battle challenge with Easter eggs. You meet Red and Blue outside the battle tree.
Idk I'm never a fan of a character appearing in the actual game but then being 'non cannon' based on a technicality lol if I'm playing the game and I'm immersed in it, and a character shows up but doesn't talk to me, its still them being literally right there, in the game lol that just will always be stronger to me than it technically being an Easter egg. It's not like it's a character that can only be explained as an Easter egg like someone from a completely different franchise or something.
@@cjsdizzy well it's either Easter egg or ultra wormhole, because like the main irl reason he is as he is in the game is because they already had the one model from ORAS and he wasn't important enough to age up because you don't talk to him outside the tree
4:42 In the recent Teraleak, it was revealed that the time skip was 10 years! Of course, because this was found out through leaked documents that we were never meant to see, if someone wanted to disregard this in favor of evidence from the games themselves, it'd be understandable.
I never bought the mega and non mega timeline. Kind off, I think the Switch games and XY exist in the classic timeline while the Hoenn remakes and the gen 7 games occur in a different timeline, after all megas have a different origin in ORAS compared to XY, in which megas are explicitly restricted to Kalos and the fairy type is a new thing (neither of which is true in ORAS or the gen 7 games). Also, keep in mind, Zinnia has absolutely no basis to claim there are multiple timelines, and is discredited inmediatly by actually qualified people. I think the games work well without the need for the split anyway, the contradictions only really appear in ORAS and Let's Go, anyway.
@@SandHater-t4m I don't think characters who only appear in the battle tower equivalent need an explanation, personally. After all, that would bring a lot of timeline problems with the PWT in B2W2. And some plot holes too (Giovanni is there rather than in prison/dead, as a quick example). I put the gen 7 games on the alternate timeline due to a mix of ORAS megas existing and access to megaevolution in general. But technically, by the time SM happen, the fairies wouldn't be a new type and the megas could be dismiss as post-game content that isn't supposed to be taken as cannon and is there for fun, like battle tower appearances.
@@Ditidos Why would Giovanni be in prison or dead? Him being in the PWT has no plot relevance so it doesn’t need a reason for his appearance there, but it’s easy to come up with something plausible. He never ended his own life in Tohjo Falls in HGSS; that was just a fan theory confusing the sound of radio static with splashing water. He just ran off and went back into seclusion. From there we can assume he just decided to stay true to his original goal of dedicating his life to training like he promised in Gen 1, and that leads to him testing his skills in the PWT. In Unova, only the Game Freak NPCs know of Team Rocket. Everyone else, including those in the PWT, treat Giovanni as a man of mystery. His title is the “self-proclaimed strongest Trainer.” So he’s there anonymously, outside of his name. From there you can headcanon that the other Kanto Gym Leaders, Red, and Blue are keeping a watchful eye on him and letting him participate. The scrapped leaks of the original draft for the Rainbow Rocket storyline actually go along with this. In that draft, our universe’s Giovanni makes an appearance, helps out, and when he’s asked what his goals are now, he says he’s been aiming to “become a Trainer his son can be proud of.” Ofc, since this was scrapped, what we got instead was alternate universe Giovanni running amok-but those drafts still show our Giovanni went on the straight and narrow. They can obv retcon this at anytime, but at the time, this was the mindset they had when writing Giovanni.
The "qualified people" are narrow-minded, and their solution hurt many Pokémon (the Life Force they were about to use was drained from Pokémon, which is terribly painful for them), and it would have hurt so many more people if it succeeded. Zinnia's the one to intervene and offer a more ideal solution. So basically of course these narrow-minded people would consider the possibilities of alternate timelines impossible. But they exist, the Rainbow Rocket storyline proves it. And Zinnia has the ancient knowledge of her people to back her up. Also Rayquaza's Mega Evolution is an exception compared to all other Mega Evolutions. Rayquaza's Mega Evolution happened separately and a bit differently than how most Mega Evolutions happened, but they still happened in the same timeline.
@@Okeana_Aster I have yet to fail any backing of Zinnia's theory within ORAS to be correct. Heck, it shows she doesn't even understand how the Link Cable works as it doesn't change dimensions or anything, just teleport to a random spot within the same universe. While as we see thanks to ultraspace later this could have resulted in the meteor destroying a civilization, assuming the universe is similar to our own (which everything in the Pokémon world points towards to), then it appearing anywhere other than functionally empty interstellar space would have been so small as to be an absurd posibility, that not only appears in a star system but in trayectory towards an inhabited planet is so unlikely as to be impossible. Not harming innocent Pokémon is reason enough not to use it, specially if you know of Rayquaza (albeit I don't remember that part, but if true, this gives a reason to the player to follows Zinnia's plan despite her other absurd suggestion, making it seem more intentional that we shouldn't take what Zinnia says too literal when it comes to science and technology). It has been a while since I played ORAS, unlike XY, so I might be wrong on this, but I understood that the old meteor Rayquaza destroyed is where mega stones came from, not the firing of the ultimate weapon back in Kalos and that Rayquaza was capable of megaevolution even before that.
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the idea behind a 3rd timeline is correct it's just not for Let's Go it's for the Ultra games and that's just the games if you're also taking into the timelines from the games itself into a count, things really go crazy with the Ultra Spaces and Paradox timelines
Just to add I think that ORAS take place before the games they are remakes of (RSE) but that is mostly because of Deoxys because you travel to space to fight Deoxys in ORAS but the distribution event, which admittedly makes this idea a little sketchy, were you go to birth island to find Deoxys means he has already crashed to earth.
This was fascinating, I’ve wondered about the Pokemon timeline myself for years, and I think you’ve got it pretty close! Genuinely didn’t know any of that stuff about kadabra or drowsee in the beginning, or that Red and Blue were canonically meant to take place in their release year, love to see those kinds of facts/ research! There are a couple of tidbits I remembered that could also affect the timeline. 1) If you attend Raifort’s history class in Scarlet/Violet, on the whiteboard you can see the early Pokeballs from Legends Arceus and other stuff from Arceus, suggesting it and S/V take place on the same timeline (the existence of Hisuian Growlithe and Bloodmoon Ursaluna in the DLC likely support this). 2) The character of Looker appears in Platinum, X/Y, ORAS and Sun/Moon (maybe also Gen 5 but I can’t remember), and he seems to have a kind of ongoing story throughout those games, losing his memory in ORAS, which I I think he was still dealing with in Sun/Moon. I always thought Looker was maybe a sign that all these games shared a timeline. 3) Mega evolution also appears in Gen 7, maybe suggesting it also sits on the Mega Evolution timeline. Because of Looker, I wonder if this means Platinum also exists on that timeline, maybe a different timeline to D/P considering their story differences. 4) Just a fun mention, but Zinnia bringing up the possibly of the meteor going to another timeline, and the similarity between Rayquaza taking on the meteor/deoxys in the Delta Episode and the same story beats happening in Mystery Dungeon Rescue Tesm Red/Blue/DX has always made me wonder if Mystery Dungeon is the unlucky timeline Zinnia talks about Great job on the video, hope to see more!
It should be mentioned that you can get a bit more specific with SwSh’s placement. There’s an NPC in Motostoke that mentions how TMs that break are considered “vintage” which means 20-99 years old officially. Since the last use of breakable TMs we have is Platinum in ‘99, we can say SwSh happen in 2019 minimum Also, Legends is closer to the 1890s which is confirmed with the existence of handheld cameras as used by Laventon
I have to disagree with the Let's Go thing, to me those are too different to be canon. The canon events of the 1st gen in the mega timeline is the Pokémon Origins anime they released a while back that tells the differences in the new timeline.
With regards to Wally's appearance not aligning with Red's and Blue's, it's possible that he's just a short king with a bit of a babyface, so he didn't visually "advance" as much as R/B did. Granted, that's also just a hand-wavy explanation tbf
There are things I'd love to add just to give more info on exact years. We see Penny's father in Sword and Shield, but Penny is nowhere to be found, She had JUST returned by the start of Scarlet And Violet after being sent back to Galar for 1.5 years, so SV have to happen at least 1.5 years after SwSh. Now, I'm gonna wait till I play through Gen 6 again after so many years, but I remember there being something about the Hoen remakes happening after X and Y.
I absolutely agree with you about the placement of LGPE! It just makes so much sense based on Red and Blue having done their journeys long ago already, including Blue visiting Kalos (which is first mentioned in XY).
That doesn't work as the LGPE games tells us from an email to Oak saying that the kanto region never had a champion until your rival being the first, plus team rocket would have been disbanded but act like it's the first go around.
If I'm allowed to poke a hole in your suggestions to what years the games take place in, there's the Member Card item in Platinum and BDSP which does contradict Gen 4 taking place in 1999. The description for the Member Card reads, "A card needed for entering the inn in Canalave City. Oddly, the last date marked on it was 50 years ago", and the date on the Member Card is the 1st of December 1958. This indicates that Platinum and BDSP (and most likely by extension the original Diamond/Pearl) take place in the year 2008 rather than 1999. This would however also contradict the Pokédex Book, given that if DPPt/BDSP and therefore GSC/HGSS take place in 2008, then RGBY/FRLG and RSE/ORAS would take place in 2005 and not 1996. That is of course unless we believe in alternative universes, where the original Gen 1 RBGY and Gen 2 GSC could take place in 1996 and 1999 respectively, and then the remake FRLG in Gen 3 and HGSS in Gen 4 could take place in 2005 and 2008 respectively Also, just to add a bit more to the discussion about the gab in between Gen 4 and Gen 5: according to the recent GameFreak Tera Leak, Black/White takes place 10 years after DPPt
thats very interesting! do you happen to have a source for the date of the member card? I have never heard of this before! And yes I am very familiar with the leaks, however since it is technically unreleased information the validity of said information can definitely be put into question.
@@PokéBeaVT That is true, it could be that the 10 year gap between DPPt and BW used to be true but isn't the case anymore. I just wanted to put it forward given that I found it relevant for this discussion. The date of the Member Card is mentioned in the trivia section of the item's Bulbapedia page, and it's also carved into the card itself on the official artwork of the Member Card
The Teraleak confirmed that Legends Arceus happens 150 years in the past and the timeline goes as follows: Gen 1/3 happen the same year > 3 years later > Gen 2 > Some months later > Gen 4 > 10 years later > Gen 5. There's no more official info from that point on. And no, Let's Go is its own timeline. It's a third timeline. There are three timelines: Mega, non-mega and Let's Go.
Truly well done! As best I know, I'm the only person who's figured out all seven of Dragon Ball's timelines and how they all came to be, but I was unable to replicate the same success with Pokémon. My hat is off to you!
great video, but you missed one other aspect of the multiverse, RBY and GSC are their own timeline, the chromatic timeline, in this early version, there are less technology, but interestingly they discover time travel we then get a vastly different kanto and johto in FRLG and HGSS, which is the "modern" timeline, covering gen 3-5 until, as you note, the mega timelie.
So we’re not even gonna touch on how Sun/Moon allow you to visit a parallel world that is fully identical to your own, to the point that you could swap over and fully forget you swapped, and the only difference being the time of day, implies that both every separate version could exist in its own timeline, or that each COPY of each game exists in a different timeline? No? Yeah I get that honestly
I'm a no mega timeline truther in the sense that there's more than just two timelines. The way the lore was expanded retcons many of the older games. As an example, there are gen 3 interviews saying the idea that groudon and kyogre created the land and sea is purely a myth created by humans because of how powerful they seemed, but ORAS reinforces the idea they did have a literal part in creating them. Collaborative storytelling over decades is very complex
About alternative timelines, if I remember correctly, there's a random NPC in Black and White that wants a Pokémon from another version of the world (the other version of the game you currently play), meaning that different universes, and therefore different timelines were a thing since at least Gen 5...
Technically, on top of just the main 2 timelines (mega and non-mega) there would be separate timelines for every unique combination of game, protagonist, and starter choice (since it affects your rival's team). Not every little thing would create a new branch though, since stuff like the clothes you wear or the team you build are arbitrary and can be changed at any time. There's also plenty of branches that would occur earlier than expected, such as the branch that determines Scarlet vs. Violet would actually happen way back when the academy was first founded as either Naranja or Uva instead of anything that happens around the time the game itself takes place. But the weirdest alternate timeline would have to be Moon & Ultra Moon, since those games literally take place in a world where AM and PM are swapped somehow, meaning there's no way that they're in the same timeline as any other games, but it also means that there could be reverse-time counterparts of all the other games that happen offscreen without ever being playable. It really makes you wonder what in the world could have happened in that reality that resulted in AM and PM swapping lol.
I'm pretty sure battle tree/PWT appearances - outside of red and blue for the battle tree - are not meant to be taken as canon (Tate & Liza should be adults during the PWT for example). Their designs are only meant to be taken as canon if they appear outside of those battle modes. Like Sabrina, Lenora, and Brycen for PWT. However, if you DID want to find an excuse for Wally, specifically, keep in mind he was constantly frail and sickly for much of his puberty and growth spurts. Long term illness at those ages can often stunt your growth and development. It can even cause reproductive problems in guys like cryptorchidism (a disorder in which one or both of your testicles don't develop properly - they either don't drop at all or they only drop partially causing this weird "inbetween" state that screws with your hormones). So for Wally specifically - you could hand wave it away with something like that. Though it doesn't excuse the other timeline errors of those modes.
Funny you mention the iceberg analogy, because the easter egg in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that added serebii's Pokearth map to the main games has the unintended consequence of (potentially) canonizing the events of the Ranger and Colosseum series games since all of their locations are depicted on that map. It might sound like utter nonsense, but in a strange twist, a lot of lore bits in those titles actually clarify some events/lore in the 'mainline' games... like how the Snag tech and the Level Release decoration for the Secret Base might be the groundwork for the Expansion Suit's functionality in X/Y - or that the tech the Ranger games feature are hyper-focused elements of the pokeball.
I never really bought that there are some specific and distinct differing timelines in the series. I essentially view the delta episode lore as refering to the fact that different versions (as in game versions) technically can’t coexist in a shared timeline (specifically refering to gen3 Hoenn and gen6 Hoenn, but with wider implications.) I never thought that game freak actually sought to establish some new seperate sequence of games that follow on from each other. I just think of it as one timeline were the events of each game roughly happens in the sequence you laid out in the video. In my opinion Let’s Go fits with this. It happens years later than gen 1, but the events of those games still roughly happened just not exactly (and which events actually happened varies and tends to be left unclear). I also quite like the idea that each game is a specific ”timeline” of it’s own. Isn’t there a feature in gen5 where you essentially visit another players world? I seem to remember your character passing through a barrier and everything. Thinking about it I suppose that’s similar to the gen9 multiplayer too…
I always liked the idea that the SS Anne was the ship that got snatched in Gale of Darkness or is the sunken ship in RSE and that’s why it never came back to Kanto
I would argue that P:LA takes place in the early 1900s since that's when molecules were discovered, and the dex entry for Vaporeon mentions water molecules.
My dad's family originates from Hokkaidō, and he grew up there until later ending up in Kantō later on. As a little kid I'd spend part of the summer and sometimes Christmas time at his parents in Date, so I know a decent bit about the history, with my dad knowing more. The Galaxy Team HQ in Pokémon Legends Arceus is the former Hokkaidō Government Office in Sapporo. The first building was built in 1873, and was then one of the largest buildings in Japan & was destroyed by fire in 1879. After the abolition of the Kaitakushi in 1882, Hokkaidō was divided into a number of prefectures, and later the Hokkaidō Government was established in 1886. The destroyed building was restored, and the new government office building was inaugurated in 1888, with red bricks and the octagonal dome on top of the building as the first governor, Michitoshi Iwamura, had suggested. In 1896, air vents and the octagonal dome on the top were taken away. Fire destroyed the building again in 1909, and the inside was burnt down, while the walls of the building with red bricks sustained little damage. In 1910, restoration work of the building began, and was completed in 1911. As, for things I noticed in the game, there are kerosene lamps, the clothing, and the architecture of the Galaxy Team HQ building & the other buildings in Jubilife Village look like the late 19th century to early 20th century. There's also a wedding photo of Commander Kamado with his wife on the left of his desk in his office where he's wearing a suit. From what I've seen so far, I say it's late 1890s to early 1900s in the game.
5:04 Even if he wasn't that specific grunt in Gen 2, he was still a Team Rocket grunt. Team Rocket fully disbanded after the events of Gen 2, right? Then the amount of time that you've speculated remains possible
This is probably my favorite breakdown of the timeline I've seen! The idea that the timeline that the games are currently in would not have Red and Blue be responsible for the events of the Kanto games and the takedown of Team Rocket really sickens me, though... I think I'll just choose to not believe that part, even though your evidence for it was really compelling, lol.
We're assuming the opening of DPPt with the Red Gyarados is live or even recent, but I don't think it actually says that. It seems to be a documentary about explorers who had heard of the Red Gyarados and searched for it, but DIDN'T find it. From thos the only thing we can assume is that it takes place AFTER GSC, since the Red Gyarados has been taken care of. It shouldn't be too long after since Jasmine appears similarly aged, or at least assume she is given the sprite used, but it could technically take place a number of years later.
One thing I often think about is just the lore implications of just the legendary Pokémon alone like mewtwo is supposed to have fought MANY Pokémon so why don’t we hear of those battles? Even if it avoided some legends there is no way in he.. he did not at least fight the kanto birds/the legendary beast/ho ho/ luigia but no nothing while the two regions are literally neighbors yet the legendarys never interacted
wally showing up in sun and moon as he is would make sense if let's go still happen at the same time as ORAS, since red and blue seem a bit older in let's go anyway
Here are the timelines I have. I've used an asterisk for the "mega timeline". Please note that Looker connects the timelines. Following the events of Black and White, he washes up in the Battle Resort in ORAS with amnesia. This is / is at least ten years prior to the events of Sun and Moon, given what we learn there. -138* years ago: Legends Arceus [1868*] +0: RSE - RBY/FRLG [1996] +3 years later: GSC/HGSS [1999] - DPPt/BDSP [1999] +0*: ORAS [2006*] +15 years / +5* years later: BW [2011] - LGPE [2011*] +17 years later / +7*: BW2 [2013] - XY [2013*] +10* years: SM/USUM [2016*] +13* years: SWSH [2019*] +14* years: SV [2022*]
With how “loosy-goosy” Pokémon’s timeline is, I like to think that, outside of clearly stated points in time (game takes place after another game), you are free to interpret the timeline any way you want.
So I'm not sure if you wanna include the Game Freak Teraleak into discussion but the documents found in the leak state 3 bold things about the timeline: 1, BW takes place 10 years after DP, 2, SM takes place 10 years after RBY, and 3, ORAS is implied to take place around the same time as XY. You may notice there's already a massive contradiction: SM cannot be 10 years after RBY if BW is 10 years after DP. These statements were stated at different points of time of course, the BW one was in 2011 while the SM one was in 2014 in the SM pitch document, and the ages of Red and Blue in SM was stated to be 20 years old for both, so 9 to 10 years. The way I made it work for my personal timeline is that the gap between GSC and DP to BW is 10 years in the NON MEGA timeline, but only 2 years in the MEGA timeline. Is this perfect? Hell no, there's a ton of holes in this, but that's the best idea I have for it.
Games in each timeline imo OG Timeline:RBG, GSC, RSE, DPP, BW, BW2, ??? Remake Timeline:FRLG, HGSS, RSE, DPP (No BDSP shush), BW, BW2, ??? Anime Adjacent Timeline:Y, ??? Mega Timeline:ORAS, XY, USUM, SWSH, PLA, SV, PLZA, ??? SM Timeline:ORAS, XY, SM, ??? Let's Go Timeline:LGPE, ??? Masters Timline:All of the Above Also all there somewhere, but I ain't doing all that at 2 am P.S.: Also you showed Leaf when talking about Green. Extra P.S. for anyone who wants to fight on it: No they're not the same character, I don't care they look similar they have completely different personalities.
I think the "mega timeline" is really just ORAS and the Let's Go games at best. XY being part of the "mega timeline" just because it has mega evolution pretty much contradicts the entire premise of the XY games, which is to explore why Mega evolution has only been witnessed within Kalos. Zinnia and Dexio even say in gen 7 that the mega evolution is a thing they brought from "back home". ORAS goes against it by having mega evolution be used widespread across Hoenn, even more than in Kalos.
Wally's medical condition could make it to where he doesn't seem to age as much, a perpetual youth for some time (but not one of those "always a child" conditions). However, with your timeline, that easily brings credence to the idea that the time travel in Arceus, is what creates the divergent timelines.
For helping to determine how long it is between the other games and BW, the Royal Unova is presently under construction during the events of ORAS and the Devon corporation are working in competition with Fennel, and her research is finished in BW. For Kalos, we know that "Team Plasma was making the news a while back in Unova" so it at least follows BW (potentially BW2) and that the Genesect drives were able to get to Kalos from Unova. 1 weird detail though is that Blue studied abroad in Kalos, and that's where he got "bonjour" from, which he greets the player with on the SS. Anne. It's interesting to me that Looker in USUM mentions teams Plasma and Galactic, but not Flare despite being in Kalos. Though there is a good chance there are just 2 Lookers due to one being spat out of the Ultra Wormhole in ORAS. Dexio and Sina do reference the XY player and rivals, so cannot take place before XY. One detail that I think is annoying, is that in ORAS it is said that Pokemon Centres used to have 2 floors 10 years ago. Kanto, Johto, Hoenn (non-ORAS), Sinnoh, and Unova all have 2 floors to their pokemon centres. To me, this means that the time-scale of when things happen in the mega universe is significantly off from when it happens in the non-mega universe.
Something nice would have been a final image with everything, the 2 timelines separated. Also, the Teraleak says Red and Blue are 20 in SM, but that doesn't make sense and that info was never published officially anyway.
To answer the question I'd first split the franchise into 3 eras/timelines with multiple branching timelines in each. Retro Era/Timeline 1. Red -> Gold 2. Blue -> Silver 3. Yellow -> Crystal Renaissance Era/Timeline 1. Fire Red -> Sapphire -> Heart Gold -> Pearl -> White -> White 2 2. Leaf Green -> Ruby -> Soul Silver -> Diamond -> Black -> Black 2 3. Fire Red -> Emerald -> Heart Gold -> Platinum -> White -> White 2 3. Leaf Green -> Emerald -> Soul Silver -> Platinum -> Black -> Black 2 Regression Era/Timeline 1. Let's Go Pikachu -> Omega Ruby -> Y -> Moon -> Shield -> Scarlet 2. Let's Go Eevee -> Alpha Sapphire -> X -> Sun -> Sword -> Violet 3. Let's Go Pikachu -> Omega Ruby -> Y -> Ultra Moon -> Shield -> Scarlet 4. Let's Go Eevee -> Alpha Sapphire -> X -> Ultra Sun -> Sword -> Violet
14:48 just throwing this hypotesis out there: we have confirmation of red/blue taking place at the same time as ruby/sapphire in the first timeline but not in the mega timeline, right? So maybe Wally is just actually younger than Red there.
Yo what ever you did, it hit peoples timeline and continue doing this type of video what not because you will blow up. Sorry for not instantly crediting you, but this was a fantastic video, AWESOME fucking shit loved it.
By your math, Red would be on his mid-30s in USUM, but his sprite looks to be about 20 at most. I do not recommend using pokédex entries for data as they are notoriously unreliable (Magcargo being hotter than the sun, etc).
Blue from Let’s Go is there in USUM? Meaning no more than seven years between those appearances, per Mina. Red is harder to place, but he ought to be the Let’s Go version too, unless there was unstated multiverse shenanigans.
You can say Wally didnt grow bc he was sick in his youth so his body didnt get a real puberty. somthing like that can happen in the real world too so its not that far of a stretch
Idk i feel like sun and moon might be closer to sword and sheild like happening the same year or simular time because of the gigantamax toxtricity baner but it can still be just a meningless esteregg i suppose
I just figured that there is no explicit mentioning of Red being an only child, as far as I can remember, in the same way that it is explicitly stated that Blue is the younger brother of Daisy. Could it be that the Let’s Go Protagonist is the younger sibling of Red?
My thoughts. There is no mega timeline and non mega time. Each form of media (games, anime, tgc, ect.) all are there own timelines, and every game cartridge is its own timeline unique to what the player does on it. But each game is still on one timeline, megas exist, the remakes are just the same events that happen years later, there is no timeline split, what the girl was referring to was what I said above at least to me. Finally I think all Pokemon games (aside from Legends Arceus which takes place 150 years ago.) take place in the year of the release of the game, same with any events or dlc, it takes place the year of was released to the public. That's what I think.
How would Porygon be explained though in Arceus because Porygon is in Arceus but in the Alolan Pokedex it says it was made roughly 20 years ago would that mean that Arceus is taking place at the same time as Red/Blue and Ruby/Sapphire
I wonder how many side games can be looped into the timeline. Do the Ranger games take place around the same time as Diamond and Pearl? Does Pokken fit on any level? Who knows? Until now I thought they were playing silly buggers with the timeline
12:54 There is evidence which states that Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future and not the past, and that evidence is from an unlikely source, Diamond and Pearl. You see, in Diamond and Pearl, there is a book that can be read at the Canalave Library, known as Sinnoh Folk Story 3, which states that humans and Pokémon were once one and the same, implying that the Mystery Dungeon games are not only canon to the mainline games, but also take place long before the mainline games, in the distant past, as they match with the story told in the book, and this is further evidenced by Ninetales' and Kadabra's Pokédex entries, which references the Ninetales legend and the general "human turning into Pokémon" phenomena that were common during that time respectively. Within the Mystery Dungeon games, there exists one game in particular, Explorers, which actually shows us how time travel works exactly in Pokémon, which will be important later on. This finally brings us back to Legends Arceus, where near the end of the game, Rei/Akari battles and eventually defeats Volo, preventing the bad future from happening as a result, but what comes next ultimately determines the timeline placement of Legends Arceus. If Legends Arceus really did take in the past, then Rei/Akari would be from the bad future, and as such, would start to slowly disappear from existence after defeating Volo, as without the bad future, Rei/Akari would've been prevented from being born and therefore existing, thus creating a grandfather paradox. We know this because that's exactly what happened to the hero in Explorers, where the hero is from the bad future, and as such, after defeating Primal Dialga and preventing the bad future from happening, starts to slowly disappear from existence, enough to say the final words to the partner. However, that is no what happened in Legends Arceus, because what actually happened instead is that, after defeating Volo, Rei/Akari doesn't disappear and instead simply continue existing, implying that Rei/Akari isn't from the bad future but is instead from the past, which means that Legends Arceus can't actually take place in the past and must instead take place in the post-apocalyptic future. I hope that this will help you understand the timeline even better and maybe even make a follow-up video that will cover the changes.
I saw the thumbnail and thought to myself:"Oh, is that true? A fair maiden interested in Pokemon? I wouldn't mind listening to her sweet voice for 15 minutes." And then disappointment washed over me as I heard the voice of just another man. Thumbnails are deceiving, nowadays. One has to walk with caution about these treacherous videos as to not make the best mistake of simping over a guy. I have still much to learn.
I’ve always been of the understanding that Gen 1 and 2 are their own separate timeline, one where Kanto is locked the hell down and nothing gets in or out. Then there’s gen 3-5 as a timeline with FRLG and RSE, HGSS and DPPT, BW, and B2W2. And then there’s the latest timeline with PLA, LGPE and ORAS, BDSP, XY, SM, USUM, SWSH, and SV.
This means both the pokemon timeline and the ace attorney timeline can be mapped out by one date, that's kind of crazy, and both also occur near to the Meiji Restoration in their games that take place in the past.
5:07 to be fair we also have Caitlin a young girl from Pokèmon Platinum being a grown adult in Black and White so i think we can be sure that some years have passed
Boy howdy what a timeline for the gamecube to have been invented by 1996 at the latest, and the wii by 1999
They have free universal healthcare over there bros have been way more advanced from the beginning
Fun fact, ORAS actually take place about a decade later in the timeline than RSE! In one of the Pokémon Centers (Mauville, I believe) is an npc that describes how the Centers used to look, describing how they were in the Gen 3 games.
14:48 I believe it wasn’t explicitly stated what kind of disease Wally had, but could it be that it makes him have a growth hormone issue making it appear as he doesn’t age as much?
It is implied that his illness was asthma. That is why he moved to Verdanturf Town, a place where the air was much cleaner.
@ Yes, breathing problems are stated by his family. The point is that we don’t have a diagnosis for whatever it is and it could even be that he actually has more than one disease!
It’s a respiratory ailment of some sort. The games seem to suggest it’s a form of asthma, while the Adventures manga makes it something more severe (but idk if they give it a name)
@@fruit3193 asthma, literally, doesn't allow you to beath. If you ask me, that's like a really serious thing given that we all run on, you know, air.
@@MellalleM Adventures gives him a weird breathing apparatus at one point. It’s really unusual and clearly not asthma.
15:00 because Wally does not appear outside the battle tree to have a canonical interaction with the player character he does not count and does not confuse things. The battle tree is a battle challenge with Easter eggs. You meet Red and Blue outside the battle tree.
Idk I'm never a fan of a character appearing in the actual game but then being 'non cannon' based on a technicality lol if I'm playing the game and I'm immersed in it, and a character shows up but doesn't talk to me, its still them being literally right there, in the game lol that just will always be stronger to me than it technically being an Easter egg. It's not like it's a character that can only be explained as an Easter egg like someone from a completely different franchise or something.
Hot take: Wally is the same age as Red and Blue. He's just a short king.
@@samhayes-astrionhonestly, that’s how I view it. Maybe his illness stunted his growth?
@@cjsdizzy well it's either Easter egg or ultra wormhole, because like the main irl reason he is as he is in the game is because they already had the one model from ORAS and he wasn't important enough to age up because you don't talk to him outside the tree
"So in a way... Team Rocket saved the world?" 😂
Great video! I thought you were Mumei for a second seeing the thumbnail haha
I did too
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4:42 In the recent Teraleak, it was revealed that the time skip was 10 years! Of course, because this was found out through leaked documents that we were never meant to see, if someone wanted to disregard this in favor of evidence from the games themselves, it'd be understandable.
I hate seeing info from the leak being tossed around the internet.
@@wikiuser92 Unsourced or in general? Because if sourcing is the problem, I can probably find it again.
@NoOneAsk In general.
@@wikiuser92 Well then that sounds like a you problem.
@@NoOneAsk Yeah. Sorry about that.
You're not gonna "catch" me later pal, im not paralyzed or going honk shoo mimimimimimi yet
This is a really good and well-edited video! I super hope your channel grows exponentially from here
I never bought the mega and non mega timeline. Kind off, I think the Switch games and XY exist in the classic timeline while the Hoenn remakes and the gen 7 games occur in a different timeline, after all megas have a different origin in ORAS compared to XY, in which megas are explicitly restricted to Kalos and the fairy type is a new thing (neither of which is true in ORAS or the gen 7 games).
Also, keep in mind, Zinnia has absolutely no basis to claim there are multiple timelines, and is discredited inmediatly by actually qualified people. I think the games work well without the need for the split anyway, the contradictions only really appear in ORAS and Let's Go, anyway.
I think you can put SM in the main timeline, Wally could be a faller similar to Anabel.
@@SandHater-t4m I don't think characters who only appear in the battle tower equivalent need an explanation, personally. After all, that would bring a lot of timeline problems with the PWT in B2W2. And some plot holes too (Giovanni is there rather than in prison/dead, as a quick example).
I put the gen 7 games on the alternate timeline due to a mix of ORAS megas existing and access to megaevolution in general. But technically, by the time SM happen, the fairies wouldn't be a new type and the megas could be dismiss as post-game content that isn't supposed to be taken as cannon and is there for fun, like battle tower appearances.
@@Ditidos Why would Giovanni be in prison or dead? Him being in the PWT has no plot relevance so it doesn’t need a reason for his appearance there, but it’s easy to come up with something plausible.
He never ended his own life in Tohjo Falls in HGSS; that was just a fan theory confusing the sound of radio static with splashing water. He just ran off and went back into seclusion.
From there we can assume he just decided to stay true to his original goal of dedicating his life to training like he promised in Gen 1, and that leads to him testing his skills in the PWT.
In Unova, only the Game Freak NPCs know of Team Rocket. Everyone else, including those in the PWT, treat Giovanni as a man of mystery. His title is the “self-proclaimed strongest Trainer.” So he’s there anonymously, outside of his name.
From there you can headcanon that the other Kanto Gym Leaders, Red, and Blue are keeping a watchful eye on him and letting him participate.
The scrapped leaks of the original draft for the Rainbow Rocket storyline actually go along with this. In that draft, our universe’s Giovanni makes an appearance, helps out, and when he’s asked what his goals are now, he says he’s been aiming to “become a Trainer his son can be proud of.”
Ofc, since this was scrapped, what we got instead was alternate universe Giovanni running amok-but those drafts still show our Giovanni went on the straight and narrow.
They can obv retcon this at anytime, but at the time, this was the mindset they had when writing Giovanni.
The "qualified people" are narrow-minded, and their solution hurt many Pokémon (the Life Force they were about to use was drained from Pokémon, which is terribly painful for them), and it would have hurt so many more people if it succeeded.
Zinnia's the one to intervene and offer a more ideal solution. So basically of course these narrow-minded people would consider the possibilities of alternate timelines impossible. But they exist, the Rainbow Rocket storyline proves it.
And Zinnia has the ancient knowledge of her people to back her up. Also Rayquaza's Mega Evolution is an exception compared to all other Mega Evolutions. Rayquaza's Mega Evolution happened separately and a bit differently than how most Mega Evolutions happened, but they still happened in the same timeline.
@@Okeana_Aster I have yet to fail any backing of Zinnia's theory within ORAS to be correct. Heck, it shows she doesn't even understand how the Link Cable works as it doesn't change dimensions or anything, just teleport to a random spot within the same universe. While as we see thanks to ultraspace later this could have resulted in the meteor destroying a civilization, assuming the universe is similar to our own (which everything in the Pokémon world points towards to), then it appearing anywhere other than functionally empty interstellar space would have been so small as to be an absurd posibility, that not only appears in a star system but in trayectory towards an inhabited planet is so unlikely as to be impossible.
Not harming innocent Pokémon is reason enough not to use it, specially if you know of Rayquaza (albeit I don't remember that part, but if true, this gives a reason to the player to follows Zinnia's plan despite her other absurd suggestion, making it seem more intentional that we shouldn't take what Zinnia says too literal when it comes to science and technology).
It has been a while since I played ORAS, unlike XY, so I might be wrong on this, but I understood that the old meteor Rayquaza destroyed is where mega stones came from, not the firing of the ultimate weapon back in Kalos and that Rayquaza was capable of megaevolution even before that.
I love the details, and from a pokemon page as well!! I love how you present data, it's stimulating which kept me from clicking away. Your voice alsoo sounds really good and not at all annoying in any way.
I would love to come along your pokemon journey, this is a a definite sub!!
the idea behind a 3rd timeline is correct
it's just not for Let's Go
it's for the Ultra games
and that's just the games
if you're also taking into the timelines from the games itself into a count, things really go crazy
with the Ultra Spaces and Paradox timelines
Just to add I think that ORAS take place before the games they are remakes of (RSE) but that is mostly because of Deoxys because you travel to space to fight Deoxys in ORAS but the distribution event, which admittedly makes this idea a little sketchy, were you go to birth island to find Deoxys means he has already crashed to earth.
This was fascinating, I’ve wondered about the Pokemon timeline myself for years, and I think you’ve got it pretty close! Genuinely didn’t know any of that stuff about kadabra or drowsee in the beginning, or that Red and Blue were canonically meant to take place in their release year, love to see those kinds of facts/ research!
There are a couple of tidbits I remembered that could also affect the timeline.
1) If you attend Raifort’s history class in Scarlet/Violet, on the whiteboard you can see the early Pokeballs from Legends Arceus and other stuff from Arceus, suggesting it and S/V take place on the same timeline (the existence of Hisuian Growlithe and Bloodmoon Ursaluna in the DLC likely support this).
2) The character of Looker appears in Platinum, X/Y, ORAS and Sun/Moon (maybe also Gen 5 but I can’t remember), and he seems to have a kind of ongoing story throughout those games, losing his memory in ORAS, which I I think he was still dealing with in Sun/Moon. I always thought Looker was maybe a sign that all these games shared a timeline.
3) Mega evolution also appears in Gen 7, maybe suggesting it also sits on the Mega Evolution timeline. Because of Looker, I wonder if this means Platinum also exists on that timeline, maybe a different timeline to D/P considering their story differences.
4) Just a fun mention, but Zinnia bringing up the possibly of the meteor going to another timeline, and the similarity between Rayquaza taking on the meteor/deoxys in the Delta Episode and the same story beats happening in Mystery Dungeon Rescue Tesm Red/Blue/DX has always made me wonder if Mystery Dungeon is the unlucky timeline Zinnia talks about
Great job on the video, hope to see more!
It should be mentioned that you can get a bit more specific with SwSh’s placement. There’s an NPC in Motostoke that mentions how TMs that break are considered “vintage” which means 20-99 years old officially. Since the last use of breakable TMs we have is Platinum in ‘99, we can say SwSh happen in 2019 minimum
Also, Legends is closer to the 1890s which is confirmed with the existence of handheld cameras as used by Laventon
This was a fun video! I'd never given it much thought and was actually really surprised there were that many hints to begin with.
I have to disagree with the Let's Go thing, to me those are too different to be canon. The canon events of the 1st gen in the mega timeline is the Pokémon Origins anime they released a while back that tells the differences in the new timeline.
such a well made video :> i enjoy watching those type of pokemon theory videos so much!
With regards to Wally's appearance not aligning with Red's and Blue's, it's possible that he's just a short king with a bit of a babyface, so he didn't visually "advance" as much as R/B did. Granted, that's also just a hand-wavy explanation tbf
7:37 I did not expect Kamen rider OOOs to appear in a pokémon timeline video, great seeing a fellow fan tho!
This is some crazy work for a first video! This channel is going to rapidly gain traction!
There are things I'd love to add just to give more info on exact years. We see Penny's father in Sword and Shield, but Penny is nowhere to be found, She had JUST returned by the start of Scarlet And Violet after being sent back to Galar for 1.5 years, so SV have to happen at least 1.5 years after SwSh. Now, I'm gonna wait till I play through Gen 6 again after so many years, but I remember there being something about the Hoen remakes happening after X and Y.
wow, this is your first vid? welcome, i hope to see more great vids
I love how you've paid attention to so many details from the games and Pokedex. Great video!
Thank you!
I absolutely agree with you about the placement of LGPE! It just makes so much sense based on Red and Blue having done their journeys long ago already, including Blue visiting Kalos (which is first mentioned in XY).
That doesn't work as the LGPE games tells us from an email to Oak saying that the kanto region never had a champion until your rival being the first, plus team rocket would have been disbanded but act like it's the first go around.
@ Who’s to say that those two events couldn’t have been pushed back for whatever reason?
@@fruit3193 then it wouldn't make any sense at all, as overall LGPE is in its own pocket of time.
also, Red and Blue are NPCs in gen 7 at the battle tree as adults, which can help connect things!
If I'm allowed to poke a hole in your suggestions to what years the games take place in, there's the Member Card item in Platinum and BDSP which does contradict Gen 4 taking place in 1999. The description for the Member Card reads, "A card needed for entering the inn in Canalave City. Oddly, the last date marked on it was 50 years ago", and the date on the Member Card is the 1st of December 1958. This indicates that Platinum and BDSP (and most likely by extension the original Diamond/Pearl) take place in the year 2008 rather than 1999. This would however also contradict the Pokédex Book, given that if DPPt/BDSP and therefore GSC/HGSS take place in 2008, then RGBY/FRLG and RSE/ORAS would take place in 2005 and not 1996. That is of course unless we believe in alternative universes, where the original Gen 1 RBGY and Gen 2 GSC could take place in 1996 and 1999 respectively, and then the remake FRLG in Gen 3 and HGSS in Gen 4 could take place in 2005 and 2008 respectively
Also, just to add a bit more to the discussion about the gab in between Gen 4 and Gen 5: according to the recent GameFreak Tera Leak, Black/White takes place 10 years after DPPt
thats very interesting! do you happen to have a source for the date of the member card? I have never heard of this before! And yes I am very familiar with the leaks, however since it is technically unreleased information the validity of said information can definitely be put into question.
@@PokéBeaVT
That is true, it could be that the 10 year gap between DPPt and BW used to be true but isn't the case anymore. I just wanted to put it forward given that I found it relevant for this discussion.
The date of the Member Card is mentioned in the trivia section of the item's Bulbapedia page, and it's also carved into the card itself on the official artwork of the Member Card
@@PokéBeaVT Also, the leaks confirmed Pokemon Legends:Arceus happened 150 years before DPPt
The Teraleak confirmed that Legends Arceus happens 150 years in the past and the timeline goes as follows:
Gen 1/3 happen the same year > 3 years later > Gen 2 > Some months later > Gen 4 > 10 years later > Gen 5. There's no more official info from that point on.
And no, Let's Go is its own timeline. It's a third timeline. There are three timelines: Mega, non-mega and Let's Go.
Truly well done! As best I know, I'm the only person who's figured out all seven of Dragon Ball's timelines and how they all came to be, but I was unable to replicate the same success with Pokémon. My hat is off to you!
7:37 OOOS SPOTTED 🥳🥳🥳
great video, but you missed one other aspect of the multiverse, RBY and GSC are their own timeline, the chromatic timeline, in this early version, there are less technology, but interestingly they discover time travel
we then get a vastly different kanto and johto in FRLG and HGSS, which is the "modern" timeline, covering gen 3-5 until, as you note, the mega timelie.
So we’re not even gonna touch on how Sun/Moon allow you to visit a parallel world that is fully identical to your own, to the point that you could swap over and fully forget you swapped, and the only difference being the time of day, implies that both every separate version could exist in its own timeline, or that each COPY of each game exists in a different timeline? No? Yeah I get that honestly
i mean yeah tbh doesnt really add to the timeline.
the multiverse is kinda just there yknow.
potentially might expand on it in the future!
I'm a no mega timeline truther in the sense that there's more than just two timelines. The way the lore was expanded retcons many of the older games. As an example, there are gen 3 interviews saying the idea that groudon and kyogre created the land and sea is purely a myth created by humans because of how powerful they seemed, but ORAS reinforces the idea they did have a literal part in creating them. Collaborative storytelling over decades is very complex
About alternative timelines, if I remember correctly, there's a random NPC in Black and White that wants a Pokémon from another version of the world (the other version of the game you currently play), meaning that different universes, and therefore different timelines were a thing since at least Gen 5...
Technically, on top of just the main 2 timelines (mega and non-mega) there would be separate timelines for every unique combination of game, protagonist, and starter choice (since it affects your rival's team). Not every little thing would create a new branch though, since stuff like the clothes you wear or the team you build are arbitrary and can be changed at any time. There's also plenty of branches that would occur earlier than expected, such as the branch that determines Scarlet vs. Violet would actually happen way back when the academy was first founded as either Naranja or Uva instead of anything that happens around the time the game itself takes place.
But the weirdest alternate timeline would have to be Moon & Ultra Moon, since those games literally take place in a world where AM and PM are swapped somehow, meaning there's no way that they're in the same timeline as any other games, but it also means that there could be reverse-time counterparts of all the other games that happen offscreen without ever being playable. It really makes you wonder what in the world could have happened in that reality that resulted in AM and PM swapping lol.
Maybe Battle Tree Wally really is aged up and is just adorable anyway
I'm pretty sure battle tree/PWT appearances - outside of red and blue for the battle tree - are not meant to be taken as canon (Tate & Liza should be adults during the PWT for example). Their designs are only meant to be taken as canon if they appear outside of those battle modes. Like Sabrina, Lenora, and Brycen for PWT.
However, if you DID want to find an excuse for Wally, specifically, keep in mind he was constantly frail and sickly for much of his puberty and growth spurts. Long term illness at those ages can often stunt your growth and development. It can even cause reproductive problems in guys like cryptorchidism (a disorder in which one or both of your testicles don't develop properly - they either don't drop at all or they only drop partially causing this weird "inbetween" state that screws with your hormones). So for Wally specifically - you could hand wave it away with something like that. Though it doesn't excuse the other timeline errors of those modes.
Funny you mention the iceberg analogy, because the easter egg in Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire that added serebii's Pokearth map to the main games has the unintended consequence of (potentially) canonizing the events of the Ranger and Colosseum series games since all of their locations are depicted on that map.
It might sound like utter nonsense, but in a strange twist, a lot of lore bits in those titles actually clarify some events/lore in the 'mainline' games... like how the Snag tech and the Level Release decoration for the Secret Base might be the groundwork for the Expansion Suit's functionality in X/Y - or that the tech the Ranger games feature are hyper-focused elements of the pokeball.
I never really bought that there are some specific and distinct differing timelines in the series. I essentially view the delta episode lore as refering to the fact that different versions (as in game versions) technically can’t coexist in a shared timeline (specifically refering to gen3 Hoenn and gen6 Hoenn, but with wider implications.) I never thought that game freak actually sought to establish some new seperate sequence of games that follow on from each other. I just think of it as one timeline were the events of each game roughly happens in the sequence you laid out in the video. In my opinion Let’s Go fits with this. It happens years later than gen 1, but the events of those games still roughly happened just not exactly (and which events actually happened varies and tends to be left unclear).
I also quite like the idea that each game is a specific ”timeline” of it’s own. Isn’t there a feature in gen5 where you essentially visit another players world? I seem to remember your character passing through a barrier and everything. Thinking about it I suppose that’s similar to the gen9 multiplayer too…
Great timeline. Would love to see your thoughts on where some of the side games go too, like Ranger and Coliseum.
ill make it simple and say i have no idea cause i havent played a majority of the spinoffs 💀
@ that’s valid honestly. There are so many lol
I always liked the idea that the SS Anne was the ship that got snatched in Gale of Darkness or is the sunken ship in RSE and that’s why it never came back to Kanto
I would argue that P:LA takes place in the early 1900s since that's when molecules were discovered, and the dex entry for Vaporeon mentions water molecules.
My dad's family originates from Hokkaidō, and he grew up there until later ending up in Kantō later on. As a little kid I'd spend part of the summer and sometimes Christmas time at his parents in Date, so I know a decent bit about the history, with my dad knowing more.
The Galaxy Team HQ in Pokémon Legends Arceus is the former Hokkaidō Government Office in Sapporo. The first building was built in 1873, and was then one of the largest buildings in Japan & was destroyed by fire in 1879. After the abolition of the Kaitakushi in 1882, Hokkaidō was divided into a number of prefectures, and later the Hokkaidō Government was established in 1886. The destroyed building was restored, and the new government office building was inaugurated in 1888, with red bricks and the octagonal dome on top of the building as the first governor, Michitoshi Iwamura, had suggested.
In 1896, air vents and the octagonal dome on the top were taken away. Fire destroyed the building again in 1909, and the inside was burnt down, while the walls of the building with red bricks sustained little damage. In 1910, restoration work of the building began, and was completed in 1911.
As, for things I noticed in the game, there are kerosene lamps, the clothing, and the architecture of the Galaxy Team HQ building & the other buildings in Jubilife Village look like the late 19th century to early 20th century.
There's also a wedding photo of Commander Kamado with his wife on the left of his desk in his office where he's wearing a suit. From what I've seen so far, I say it's late 1890s to early 1900s in the game.
This was great. Definitely pointed out some stuff i wasnt aware of!
5:04 Even if he wasn't that specific grunt in Gen 2, he was still a Team Rocket grunt. Team Rocket fully disbanded after the events of Gen 2, right? Then the amount of time that you've speculated remains possible
This is probably my favorite breakdown of the timeline I've seen! The idea that the timeline that the games are currently in would not have Red and Blue be responsible for the events of the Kanto games and the takedown of Team Rocket really sickens me, though... I think I'll just choose to not believe that part, even though your evidence for it was really compelling, lol.
that's an amazing video quality for only 300 subs, great video dude!
We're assuming the opening of DPPt with the Red Gyarados is live or even recent, but I don't think it actually says that. It seems to be a documentary about explorers who had heard of the Red Gyarados and searched for it, but DIDN'T find it. From thos the only thing we can assume is that it takes place AFTER GSC, since the Red Gyarados has been taken care of. It shouldn't be too long after since Jasmine appears similarly aged, or at least assume she is given the sprite used, but it could technically take place a number of years later.
One thing I often think about is just the lore implications of just the legendary Pokémon alone like mewtwo is supposed to have fought MANY Pokémon so why don’t we hear of those battles? Even if it avoided some legends there is no way in he.. he did not at least fight the kanto birds/the legendary beast/ho ho/ luigia but no nothing while the two regions are literally neighbors yet the legendarys never interacted
wally showing up in sun and moon as he is would make sense if let's go still happen at the same time as ORAS, since red and blue seem a bit older in let's go anyway
Great video, love your voice and editing
Here are the timelines I have. I've used an asterisk for the "mega timeline". Please note that Looker connects the timelines. Following the events of Black and White, he washes up in the Battle Resort in ORAS with amnesia. This is / is at least ten years prior to the events of Sun and Moon, given what we learn there.
-138* years ago: Legends Arceus [1868*]
+0: RSE - RBY/FRLG [1996]
+3 years later: GSC/HGSS [1999] - DPPt/BDSP [1999]
+0*: ORAS [2006*]
+15 years / +5* years later: BW [2011] - LGPE [2011*]
+17 years later / +7*: BW2 [2013] - XY [2013*]
+10* years: SM/USUM [2016*]
+13* years: SWSH [2019*]
+14* years: SV [2022*]
Small domino: Giovanni bailing after losing to an eleven year old
Big domino: Thwarting an attempt to restart the universe
With how “loosy-goosy” Pokémon’s timeline is, I like to think that, outside of clearly stated points in time (game takes place after another game), you are free to interpret the timeline any way you want.
So I'm not sure if you wanna include the Game Freak Teraleak into discussion but the documents found in the leak state 3 bold things about the timeline: 1, BW takes place 10 years after DP, 2, SM takes place 10 years after RBY, and 3, ORAS is implied to take place around the same time as XY. You may notice there's already a massive contradiction: SM cannot be 10 years after RBY if BW is 10 years after DP. These statements were stated at different points of time of course, the BW one was in 2011 while the SM one was in 2014 in the SM pitch document, and the ages of Red and Blue in SM was stated to be 20 years old for both, so 9 to 10 years. The way I made it work for my personal timeline is that the gap between GSC and DP to BW is 10 years in the NON MEGA timeline, but only 2 years in the MEGA timeline. Is this perfect? Hell no, there's a ton of holes in this, but that's the best idea I have for it.
Games in each timeline imo
OG Timeline:RBG, GSC, RSE, DPP, BW, BW2, ???
Remake Timeline:FRLG, HGSS, RSE, DPP (No BDSP shush), BW, BW2, ???
Anime Adjacent Timeline:Y, ???
Mega Timeline:ORAS, XY, USUM, SWSH, PLA, SV, PLZA, ???
SM Timeline:ORAS, XY, SM, ???
Let's Go Timeline:LGPE, ???
Masters Timline:All of the Above
Also all there somewhere, but I ain't doing all that at 2 am
P.S.: Also you showed Leaf when talking about Green.
Extra P.S. for anyone who wants to fight on it: No they're not the same character, I don't care they look similar they have completely different personalities.
I think the "mega timeline" is really just ORAS and the Let's Go games at best. XY being part of the "mega timeline" just because it has mega evolution pretty much contradicts the entire premise of the XY games, which is to explore why Mega evolution has only been witnessed within Kalos. Zinnia and Dexio even say in gen 7 that the mega evolution is a thing they brought from "back home". ORAS goes against it by having mega evolution be used widespread across Hoenn, even more than in Kalos.
Where do Ultra Sun and moon take place when they have megas but are meant to be an alternate take on SM
Wally's medical condition could make it to where he doesn't seem to age as much, a perpetual youth for some time (but not one of those "always a child" conditions). However, with your timeline, that easily brings credence to the idea that the time travel in Arceus, is what creates the divergent timelines.
For helping to determine how long it is between the other games and BW, the Royal Unova is presently under construction during the events of ORAS and the Devon corporation are working in competition with Fennel, and her research is finished in BW.
For Kalos, we know that "Team Plasma was making the news a while back in Unova" so it at least follows BW (potentially BW2) and that the Genesect drives were able to get to Kalos from Unova.
1 weird detail though is that Blue studied abroad in Kalos, and that's where he got "bonjour" from, which he greets the player with on the SS. Anne.
It's interesting to me that Looker in USUM mentions teams Plasma and Galactic, but not Flare despite being in Kalos. Though there is a good chance there are just 2 Lookers due to one being spat out of the Ultra Wormhole in ORAS. Dexio and Sina do reference the XY player and rivals, so cannot take place before XY.
One detail that I think is annoying, is that in ORAS it is said that Pokemon Centres used to have 2 floors 10 years ago. Kanto, Johto, Hoenn (non-ORAS), Sinnoh, and Unova all have 2 floors to their pokemon centres. To me, this means that the time-scale of when things happen in the mega universe is significantly off from when it happens in the non-mega universe.
Something nice would have been a final image with everything, the 2 timelines separated. Also, the Teraleak says Red and Blue are 20 in SM, but that doesn't make sense and that info was never published officially anyway.
Thanks for the video, help a lot in my pokémon rpg
To answer the question I'd first split the franchise into 3 eras/timelines with multiple branching timelines in each.
Retro Era/Timeline
1. Red -> Gold
2. Blue -> Silver
3. Yellow -> Crystal
Renaissance Era/Timeline
1. Fire Red -> Sapphire -> Heart Gold -> Pearl -> White -> White 2
2. Leaf Green -> Ruby -> Soul Silver -> Diamond -> Black -> Black 2
3. Fire Red -> Emerald -> Heart Gold -> Platinum -> White -> White 2
3. Leaf Green -> Emerald -> Soul Silver -> Platinum -> Black -> Black 2
Regression Era/Timeline
1. Let's Go Pikachu -> Omega Ruby -> Y -> Moon -> Shield -> Scarlet
2. Let's Go Eevee -> Alpha Sapphire -> X -> Sun -> Sword -> Violet
3. Let's Go Pikachu -> Omega Ruby -> Y -> Ultra Moon -> Shield -> Scarlet
4. Let's Go Eevee -> Alpha Sapphire -> X -> Ultra Sun -> Sword -> Violet
Scarlet and Violet tell us everything we need to know. Time/parallel universe travel is the answer
14:48 just throwing this hypotesis out there: we have confirmation of red/blue taking place at the same time as ruby/sapphire in the first timeline but not in the mega timeline, right? So maybe Wally is just actually younger than Red there.
Yo what ever you did, it hit peoples timeline and continue doing this type of video what not because you will blow up. Sorry for not instantly crediting you, but this was a fantastic video, AWESOME fucking shit loved it.
By your math, Red would be on his mid-30s in USUM, but his sprite looks to be about 20 at most.
I do not recommend using pokédex entries for data as they are notoriously unreliable (Magcargo being hotter than the sun, etc).
Blue from Let’s Go is there in USUM? Meaning no more than seven years between those appearances, per Mina. Red is harder to place, but he ought to be the Let’s Go version too, unless there was unstated multiverse shenanigans.
Oh this is exactly my kinda jam. Have a sub.
>see the thumbnail thinming it's Nanshi Mumei
>It's a man's voice
HOW MUCH MORE BETRAYAL CAN I TAKE
Let’s go eevee also has Melmetal and meltan which is also weird
oh believe me i have a video in the works about that
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شكراً لك!
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I read the title as “I solved pokimans timeline” and was like wtf why is this on my fyp 😂
Great video 💯
I loved the video, and the last joke was so magnificently bad that I loved it
I mean Wally probably exists because of the ultra space wormholes
I came to this video because I saw teruko Tawaki in the thumbnail
would love a high quality picture of the timeline you made published to twitter or something 🥺🙏
You can say Wally didnt grow bc he was sick in his youth so his body didnt get a real puberty. somthing like that can happen in the real world too so its not that far of a stretch
Let’s gooooo bea video
What if Wally didn’t age in Sun/Moon due to time travel that will be explained in a future game? 😮😮😮
Red is labelled as 20 in the leaked character sheet for SM right? So if he was 11 in 1996 that means only 9 years have passed
SM is mega timeline. Mina is in Let’s Go and SM.
Good video and good editing. Just a nitpick, the sound over your "scared/frightened" animation is too loud. Cheers from France!
Idk i feel like sun and moon might be closer to sword and sheild like happening the same year or simular time because of the gigantamax toxtricity baner but it can still be just a meningless esteregg i suppose
I just figured that there is no explicit mentioning of Red being an only child, as far as I can remember, in the same way that it is explicitly stated that Blue is the younger brother of Daisy. Could it be that the Let’s Go Protagonist is the younger sibling of Red?
In the thumbnail the drawing reminds me of Teruko Tawaki
IDK how i found you on my fyp but damn i love the vid
thank you!
My thoughts.
There is no mega timeline and non mega time.
Each form of media (games, anime, tgc, ect.) all are there own timelines, and every game cartridge is its own timeline unique to what the player does on it.
But each game is still on one timeline, megas exist, the remakes are just the same events that happen years later, there is no timeline split, what the girl was referring to was what I said above at least to me.
Finally I think all Pokemon games (aside from Legends Arceus which takes place 150 years ago.) take place in the year of the release of the game, same with any events or dlc, it takes place the year of was released to the public.
That's what I think.
How would Porygon be explained though in Arceus because Porygon is in Arceus but in the Alolan Pokedex it says it was made roughly 20 years ago would that mean that Arceus is taking place at the same time as Red/Blue and Ruby/Sapphire
Great video
I wonder how many side games can be looped into the timeline. Do the Ranger games take place around the same time as Diamond and Pearl? Does Pokken fit on any level? Who knows? Until now I thought they were playing silly buggers with the timeline
Fire video bro
You just showed up in my recommended, and I can't believe I'm your 21st sub. I think you're gonna blow up
Actually fire red and leaf green take place in the same time as ruby and sapphire not red and blue
Good video!
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12:54 There is evidence which states that Legends Arceus actually takes place in the post-apocalyptic future and not the past, and that evidence is from an unlikely source, Diamond and Pearl.
You see, in Diamond and Pearl, there is a book that can be read at the Canalave Library, known as Sinnoh Folk Story 3, which states that humans and Pokémon were once one and the same, implying that the Mystery Dungeon games are not only canon to the mainline games, but also take place long before the mainline games, in the distant past, as they match with the story told in the book, and this is further evidenced by Ninetales' and Kadabra's Pokédex entries, which references the Ninetales legend and the general "human turning into Pokémon" phenomena that were common during that time respectively. Within the Mystery Dungeon games, there exists one game in particular, Explorers, which actually shows us how time travel works exactly in Pokémon, which will be important later on. This finally brings us back to Legends Arceus, where near the end of the game, Rei/Akari battles and eventually defeats Volo, preventing the bad future from happening as a result, but what comes next ultimately determines the timeline placement of Legends Arceus. If Legends Arceus really did take in the past, then Rei/Akari would be from the bad future, and as such, would start to slowly disappear from existence after defeating Volo, as without the bad future, Rei/Akari would've been prevented from being born and therefore existing, thus creating a grandfather paradox. We know this because that's exactly what happened to the hero in Explorers, where the hero is from the bad future, and as such, after defeating Primal Dialga and preventing the bad future from happening, starts to slowly disappear from existence, enough to say the final words to the partner. However, that is no what happened in Legends Arceus, because what actually happened instead is that, after defeating Volo, Rei/Akari doesn't disappear and instead simply continue existing, implying that Rei/Akari isn't from the bad future but is instead from the past, which means that Legends Arceus can't actually take place in the past and must instead take place in the post-apocalyptic future.
I hope that this will help you understand the timeline even better and maybe even make a follow-up video that will cover the changes.
I saw the thumbnail and thought to myself:"Oh, is that true? A fair maiden interested in Pokemon? I wouldn't mind listening to her sweet voice for 15 minutes."
And then disappointment washed over me as I heard the voice of just another man. Thumbnails are deceiving, nowadays. One has to walk with caution about these treacherous videos as to not make the best mistake of simping over a guy. I have still much to learn.
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I’ve always been of the understanding that Gen 1 and 2 are their own separate timeline, one where Kanto is locked the hell down and nothing gets in or out.
Then there’s gen 3-5 as a timeline with FRLG and RSE, HGSS and DPPT, BW, and B2W2.
And then there’s the latest timeline with PLA, LGPE and ORAS, BDSP, XY, SM, USUM, SWSH, and SV.