I used to shallow fish at Cuttle mill in the late 1970's, I used to take the cork bit off an old style perch float with a number four shot top and bottom, very crude but caught my first 10 pound carp with it.
Andy. We used cut down chianti style floats for hemp fishing on the north west canals before Drennan brought out the original wire stem caster float. 6:07
I can't believe that you never mentioned the development of the humble creel to the fantastic boxes that you were both sat on. Everything to hand these days.
re double elastics, I used to use that twin elastic when you had stay an 8's running thru a bung about third the length of the top 4 then a 16's connected to it with a stonfo that ran thru another smaller bung and as the 8 bottomed out the stonfo hit the bung bringing the 16 into action🤐 yep! seriously complicated but those surprise carp often ended up in the net. Of course that meant using proper terminal tackle just in case. I liked using 4's/10's best.
What you were talking about with carp hooks…they were long shank trout hooks with an angled bend put half way down the shank. They flipped and dug in when you got a take, we’re devastatingly effective and were actually called “ bent hooks”. Of course all hooks have a bend but this term meant a sharp angle change in the shank. They worked so well like anything too successful they were banned, mainly because they were said to twist in the mouth and cause damage. That was hugely exaggerated. Now curved shank hooks make similar angles.
We had the Coil Feeder down here at places like Viaduct, a 'refined' Emstat. Loved it with Sillybait. I still have 2 Boss/Daiwa Rollers, I found them on the Huntspill when I was 15 or 16, actually I still use them at certain times, like an extra roller for edge fishing, or as a rest for my landing net handle. I still use shiny B611x's, probably still using them from bulk load I used in the 90s.
With pole floats i think the diamond shaped floats are the only ones that haven't changed over time as modern ones look just the same as a set of them that I got in the 90's which I still own and use today nearly 30 years later
i credit myself too the floating cork float bolt rig for mugging carp in reeds on floating pole . the idea was we had too use a float and be under surface so biro tube through swivel glued in and i greased the hookling apart from the last inch and that won me lots of club matches on pole back in day. after a year the club banded it saying the cork wasnt a float lol madness
Not sure how early we are talking about shallow fishing but i remember mid to late 90s someone taking white acres apart fishing pellet shallow and blasting pellets. Absolutely destroyed everyone.
i remember the somo floats which werent as well known as chiantis cause des favoured chiantis but somos were equally as good with more stability with a slightly more bulbous body
I've still got some of those! (And original Chianti's - the natural wood ones before they went blue) I used to whip the eyes with .06 mono to make them last. I loved those floats and used them a lot.
I can still hear my late dad laughing his b@ll@cks off as a carp took me on multiple laps of a lake down Devon, suffice to say the first time using white hydro was a steep learning curve 😂
what about the information / instruction which is available today do you think coverage of all types of fishing could be attributed to the popularity of your videos
I think "inventions" tend to come from other disciplines you guys are so focussed on carp puddle that some " innovations " are just actually what other types of anglers just do. Shallow fishing has always been a thing , river dane Andy, trotting , holding back , lifting the bait, light rigs, no weights, stick float. It has been ADAPTED not necessarily invented. Great chats though
I’m not sure about side pullers as anytime I’ve trashed a top kit usually caused by foul hooking one in the side the break occurs just above the reinforced bit. Pete Upperton doesn’t use them.
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I used to shallow fish at Cuttle mill in the late 1970's, I used to take the cork bit off an old style perch float with a number four shot top and bottom, very crude but caught my first 10 pound carp with it.
Andy. We used cut down chianti style floats for hemp fishing on the north west canals before Drennan brought out the original wire stem caster float. 6:07
On the pronunciation issue, I'll side with Hannibal Lecter: "...a nice bottle of *key-anti* and some fava beans"
I'm with you...
Same....
I can't believe that you never mentioned the development of the humble creel to the fantastic boxes that you were both sat on. Everything to hand these days.
re double elastics, I used to use that twin elastic when you had stay an 8's running thru a bung about third the length of the top 4 then a 16's connected to it with a stonfo that ran thru another smaller bung and as the 8 bottomed out the stonfo hit the bung bringing the 16 into action🤐 yep! seriously complicated but those surprise carp often ended up in the net. Of course that meant using proper terminal tackle just in case. I liked using 4's/10's best.
Anyone remember the beacon ducker float, tiny little plastic float with a gold top, used on lym dam back in the day fishing shalla for dog roach
Think these chats are just class. Please keep em coming chaps 👍👍
Great video I could listen to you three for hours. Also I think I have some Preston chiantis in the shed somewhere.
Wow, I've got an old Daiwa rocking roller in the shed haha
What you were talking about with carp hooks…they were long shank trout hooks with an angled bend put half way down the shank. They flipped and dug in when you got a take, we’re devastatingly effective and were actually called “ bent hooks”. Of course all hooks have a bend but this term meant a sharp angle change in the shank. They worked so well like anything too successful they were banned, mainly because they were said to twist in the mouth and cause damage. That was hugely exaggerated. Now curved shank hooks make similar angles.
We had the Coil Feeder down here at places like Viaduct, a 'refined' Emstat. Loved it with Sillybait.
I still have 2 Boss/Daiwa Rollers, I found them on the Huntspill when I was 15 or 16, actually I still use them at certain times, like an extra roller for edge fishing, or as a rest for my landing net handle.
I still use shiny B611x's, probably still using them from bulk load I used in the 90s.
How about the impact of polarised glasses . Certainly helped my fishing
With pole floats i think the diamond shaped floats are the only ones that haven't changed over time as modern ones look just the same as a set of them that I got in the 90's which I still own and use today nearly 30 years later
i credit myself too the floating cork float bolt rig for mugging carp in reeds on floating pole . the idea was we had too use a float and be under surface so biro tube through swivel glued in and i greased the hookling apart from the last inch and that won me lots of club matches on pole back in day.
after a year the club banded it saying the cork wasnt a float lol madness
we take it for granted now footplates and ex legs & keepnet bar
i remember when Steve Ringer won the fisho on a method id never seen it in action before that he blitzed the final what a game changer
Not sure how early we are talking about shallow fishing but i remember mid to late 90s someone taking white acres apart fishing pellet shallow and blasting pellets. Absolutely destroyed everyone.
i had a coaching session with Andy and he set me up a diamond pattern sconzone float rig and i still have it
i remember using kinder surprise pots in late 80s early 90s on the pole
What I shall take away from this video (thanks Richard) is, "Blunt hooks are pointless". 😂
Still remember Openshaw and Barry Bush on the overshotted rig at partridge in the day,they won everything.
Have you guys ever used the pull through method with the up sidedown waggler?🎣
Great yet again
The rodcasts are a very under rated part of WW! Top stuff
Pellet Pumps! Meat cutters! Massive game changes
Side pullers was a big leap forward
i remember the somo floats which werent as well known as chiantis cause des favoured chiantis but somos were equally as good with more stability with a slightly more bulbous body
I've still got some of those! (And original Chianti's - the natural wood ones before they went blue) I used to whip the eyes with .06 mono to make them last. I loved those floats and used them a lot.
Remember my brother grabbing white hydro at the end of his pole at willow marsh stupid stretching ability standing on the box shouting zoro 😂
Harry Billing, along with Vinnie Smith, is a regular on the Costa Blanca match scene.
I can still hear my late dad laughing his b@ll@cks off as a carp took me on multiple laps of a lake down Devon, suffice to say the first time using white hydro was a steep learning curve 😂
Isnt this simply how fishing develops, GOOD anglers are always thinking, adjusting taking note of responce and readjust,
what about the information / instruction which is available today do you think coverage of all types of fishing could be attributed to the popularity of your videos
Water Wagglers are different, they don't dive under the water as much as normal wagglers, good chat
Dave Clever was making them Banjo Feeder's in 90,s for white Acres .🐟
Did you ever use a floating pole or a swing tip ?
What about Rob Wooten and the shotgun feeders
Bent hooks in carp fishing were banned because of the horrific mouth damage to the fish...
Kee-Ann-Tee.....like the wine.
I have a good one who invented the white top kits?????
Denis white of the famous Barnsley blacks .
@@plammin73 how sure are u mate
The greatest invention in fishing is monofilament lines in the 1950s
Andy get the mole on head checked out
I invented the Ratjig
The worst must be the maver reality pole . absolutely shite .had it a year I've just bought my fourth topkits number 2 section so weak unbelievable
Maggot feeder wagler,, home made and was a killer in 90s
I think "inventions" tend to come from other disciplines you guys are so focussed on carp puddle that some " innovations " are just actually what other types of anglers just do. Shallow fishing has always been a thing , river dane Andy, trotting , holding back , lifting the bait, light rigs, no weights, stick float. It has been ADAPTED not necessarily invented. Great chats though
I’m not sure about side pullers as anytime I’ve trashed a top kit usually caused by foul hooking one in the side the break occurs just above the reinforced bit.
Pete Upperton doesn’t use them.