Violet's so observant, so it's no surprise that she figured things out from the start. I'm no Mary fan, but I definitely agree that she is smart. I remember hearing once that if she weren't so dismissive of Edith, she would have figured it out from the start too. I believe that.
Mary never liked her sister, what she did with Sir Anthony, which in the end was in Edith’s favor, was horrible. As Robert once said she can be unkind, and very much un kind. In the I was very happy for Edith , I liked her.
She was a bit of a non-character, like she was an after thought. It's a shame, because it's not fair on the actress, she did an excellent job of bringing her to some sort of life.
What I have never liked in the whole Marigold debacle was what happened to the Drew family. They lost their home and lost a child all because of Lady Edith’s selfish indulgence of motherhood. And then once she got Marigold she stuck her in the nursery with the nanny and still went to parties.
yah, that always bothered me too. i understand that Edith wanted to be with Marigold, since she IS her daughter and all she has left of her first true love, but the way she used and hurt the Drews never sat right with me. Although I understand why Edith couldn't be as active as Mary, to keep up the front of Marigold just being a foster, but she always did do her best. But my issue with it was Mr. Drew's wife. She was handed this child and told that she was hers now, that Marigold was her daughter and she would love and raise her. And then to just suddenly have her ripped away like that? On what she thought was just a whim of a rich woman's? its no wonder she tried to take Marigold back tbh, but i can also see why they moved, both for Marigold's safety and for the mental wellbeing of Mrs. Drew. but yah it never sat right with me how Edith did that
If Mrs. Drew had been told the truth from the start, a lot of drama could have been sparred (but this show is all about the drama). Mrs. Drew wouldn't have been so bothered by Edith coming around and perhaps would not have gotten so attached. Edith wasn't the only one to blame, Mr. Drew had some too by insisting it be kept secret. He said that she "would love the child as her own"
Ms Drew had children of her own and yet she was obsessed with Marigold. Rather strange, no? What no one seems to understand iis how society saw and treated unmarried women who got pregnant. And the “bastards” as well. It’s easy for us to judge people
She was correct though. She correctly predicted the Drewe situation. I felt really bad for them. The Drewe’s did so much for the family and didn’t deserve where they ended up.
@@carolablue5293 Mrs Drewe def need therapy, even after revealing that edith was the mother, she still can't let go, even if he hadn't deceive her it would still played out the same, she eventually too attached and can't let her go
Lady Painswick shouldn‘t have suggested but encouraged Lady Edith to consult her mother from the start. They weren‘t opposed too Mr Gregson in the first place…
Well, Edith does have that issue with Cora favoring Mary and Sybil over her, so she could very well have felt that Cora would not be as forgiving towards her as she was towards Mary if she knew about what happened between her and Michael. She was mistaken of course, but I could see why she would think that.
To be precise, she's Lady Rosamund Painswick. We are told her husband was called Marmaduke. He may have been untitled, or possibly a knight or baronet. If he had been Sir Marmaduke, she would still have been, as the daughter of an earl, Lady Rosamund Painswick, not Lady Painswick. The same applied to Lady Susan Hussey when her husband was Sir Marmaduke (by coincidence), but she became Lady Hussey when her husband was made a Life Peer (with the rank of baron).
One must look at the situation in the context of the time and the strictures of their social class. The fewer people in on it the less chance of it becoming common knowledge.
WOW! I never noticed that. That takes a good eye for detail! Thank you for pointing it out to everyone. That's the thing about Downton Abbey, all the little, very correct, details that mostly go unnoticed by almost everyone in every scene. The little nuances of everything are absolutely amazing. There should be books and/or videos made that cover every single nuance of every second of all the episodes. It would be an incredibly long and potentially very entertaining deep dive. The videos could be made with clickable visual elements highlighting "interesting elements" as they appear in each episode. So that way people could choose, or not choose, to click on each detail for further information; or just watch the episode as usual. I visualize it as being the video equivalent of a hyperlink. So you could watch the series with the "visual hyperlinks" either turned on or off. If 'On", then visual "halos" would appear around people or items that there was a story behind, or further cultural information, or something interesting to learn. As an American I know I miss a lot of things, but I sense, reading the comments of other Americans, and even some British people from a younger generation, that I'm picking up on things they are not. But I also get the distinct feeling that I'm still missing over 90 percent of the nuances that only a British person of a certain age and class background would notice. Fellowes is a genius!
Good catch. Not sure if it's true to the time period. According to historians, Victorian and Edwardian women drank to socialize or celebrate or sometimes for health during pregnancy and after childbirth. In some regions women drank in pubs or drank at home with their husbands. Middle and upper-class women also drank alcohol as part of everyday life.
@@SarahRenz59 I think that was more of a signal to the modern audience. Completely avoiding alcohol while pregnant didn't become common until the mid/late 1900s.
I always hated that storyline, the Drew's took the baby in, in the mother grew to love Marigold but Edith snatches her back again just to put her in the care of a nanny😡
I don't think anyone intentionally ignored Edith. They just focused on Mary because she's the oldest therfore the first they want married, and sybil because she was the baby and had a habit of being rebellious and just ahead of her time. Edith never really made a fuss so she slipped thru the cracks allowing her to hide this for so long.
Lol why did she have to say go to Switzerland to learn french. She could have just said shes going to take edith on a long holiday to cheer her up from Gregson's dissapearance
Why didn't Rosamund use the cover story of going to the Continent to look for Gregson? It would've been much more believable than Rosamund wanting to learn French better.
I believe Edith might be Rosamund's illegitimate daughter. She looks more like her than her parents and when Edith told her aunt she didn't have children, I thought she was going to say, "I'm your mother or I had a child." This would make sense why Mary was favored though her and Edith are close in age. Also why the other two look like Cora and she looks nothing like her at all.
Many children look like their aunts and uncles. My sister resembles our father's sister more than our mother and one of my nephews looks more like me than my brother in law.
You can look like anyone in your family, you carry potential genetic traits from all your relatives. Sybil has Cora's eyes but not her hair, and the opposite for Mary. Edith is absolutely Robert and Cora's daughter.
@@oielvert I know. One of my kids have lord knows who’s nose. All of us have small noses. But when you have a few kids you start to see recessive genes. In this case it was that conversation and how her parents treated Mary as their favorite.
@@TheElochai I think Mary was always going to be the favorite. Robert decided to give her hand in marriage to Patrick from the moment Sybil was born. That means a lot of resources went into making sure Mary would be a suitable countess of Grantham. Notice that Mary's wardrobe was only second to Cora's while the girls went unmarried. Edith always seemed to have a shabbier version of whatever Mary was wearing. After Mary marries Matthew, the scenes start to pay attention to Edith's new outfits while she's seeing Michael Gregson. It might have been unintentional... but Edith was always going to end up with the shorter end of the stick while Sybil was too much of an oddball to notice anything going on.
edit is no edith edmonds lincoln daguthher of roy dean edmond ssaint peter they are a different then sons of david. for they are arhcangel michaels children faather abraham lincon king arthur edmonds grannys smiths grand daughter from father abrham linconk king arthur edmonds now rooy dean edmonds
Solving the issue of her granddaughter ?
Now that's Dowagering !
*insert "Morbing Time" joke but as Dowagering
Taking a Sharpe meme and applying it to Downton Abbey?
Now that's fandoming!
my favorite scene of the dowager was when she said it’s dowagering time and dowagered all over the place
@@owen1607 there we go
also when has she not "dowagered" all over the place (apart from the fact she's now deceased)
@@owen1607 what does mean "dowagering"? (in french I don't know the equivalent word)
The dowager countess has the precision of a skilled surgeon; nothing and no one escapes her scrutiny.
Never underestimate old people especially with sharp minds.
Violet's so observant, so it's no surprise that she figured things out from the start. I'm no Mary fan, but I definitely agree that she is smart. I remember hearing once that if she weren't so dismissive of Edith, she would have figured it out from the start too. I believe that.
Mary notices everything except for Edith. Edith might as well be translucid in her eyes.
Mary never liked her sister, what she did with Sir Anthony, which in the end was in Edith’s favor, was horrible. As Robert once said she can be unkind, and very much un kind. In the I was very happy for Edith , I liked her.
I still believe Edith was really underrated, underappreciated by her own family. And she didn't get the support she deserved
Agree
She was a bit of a non-character, like she was an after thought. It's a shame, because it's not fair on the actress, she did an excellent job of bringing her to some sort of life.
Who rated her?
Not at all
Edith was enjoyable as a career woman and as a friend to Tom Branson.
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The Countess is the best. Her manner of speech and choice of words are second to none.
What I have never liked in the whole Marigold debacle was what happened to the Drew family.
They lost their home and lost a child all because of Lady Edith’s selfish indulgence of motherhood. And then once she got Marigold she stuck her in the nursery with the nanny and still went to parties.
It's because Edith straight up sucks
Yes, they seemed to do that quite a lot.
yah, that always bothered me too. i understand that Edith wanted to be with Marigold, since she IS her daughter and all she has left of her first true love, but the way she used and hurt the Drews never sat right with me. Although I understand why Edith couldn't be as active as Mary, to keep up the front of Marigold just being a foster, but she always did do her best. But my issue with it was Mr. Drew's wife. She was handed this child and told that she was hers now, that Marigold was her daughter and she would love and raise her. And then to just suddenly have her ripped away like that? On what she thought was just a whim of a rich woman's? its no wonder she tried to take Marigold back tbh, but i can also see why they moved, both for Marigold's safety and for the mental wellbeing of Mrs. Drew. but yah it never sat right with me how Edith did that
If Mrs. Drew had been told the truth from the start, a lot of drama could have been sparred (but this show is all about the drama).
Mrs. Drew wouldn't have been so bothered by Edith coming around and perhaps would not have gotten so attached.
Edith wasn't the only one to blame, Mr. Drew had some too by insisting it be kept secret. He said that she "would love the child as her own"
Ms Drew had children of her own and yet she was obsessed with Marigold. Rather strange, no? What no one seems to understand iis how society saw and treated unmarried women who got pregnant. And the “bastards” as well. It’s easy for us to judge people
"I see I'll have to take the slow path..."
🤣🤣🤣
She's a good aunt, but Rosamund didn't manage this situation very well.
She was correct though. She correctly predicted the Drewe situation. I felt really bad for them. The Drewe’s did so much for the family and didn’t deserve where they ended up.
Lady Rosamund means well. She wants nothing but Lady Edith's sake and the family's reputation.
@@ZainHodaMr Drewe did a big favor for Edith though he deceived his wife.
@@carolablue5293 Mrs Drewe def need therapy, even after revealing that edith was the mother, she still can't let go, even if he hadn't deceive her it would still played out the same, she eventually too attached and can't let her go
It's funny how the Dowager saw right through this plan right away. Lol
She's wise as an owl! Badass of the Crawley Family Violet is! 🦉
If she wishes to be understood by a foreigner she shouts. LMAO
Lady Painswick shouldn‘t have suggested but encouraged Lady Edith to consult her mother from the start. They weren‘t opposed too Mr Gregson in the first place…
Well, Edith does have that issue with Cora favoring Mary and Sybil over her, so she could very well have felt that Cora would not be as forgiving towards her as she was towards Mary if she knew about what happened between her and Michael. She was mistaken of course, but I could see why she would think that.
To be precise, she's Lady Rosamund Painswick. We are told her husband was called Marmaduke. He may have been untitled, or possibly a knight or baronet. If he had been Sir Marmaduke, she would still have been, as the daughter of an earl, Lady Rosamund Painswick, not Lady Painswick. The same applied to Lady Susan Hussey when her husband was Sir Marmaduke (by coincidence), but she became Lady Hussey when her husband was made a Life Peer (with the rank of baron).
*to*
One must look at the situation in the context of the time and the strictures of their social class. The fewer people in on it the less chance of it becoming common knowledge.
It took me a few times to see the akward moment ( 3:6) when Edith stops Carson from pouring her wine.
WOW! I never noticed that. That takes a good eye for detail! Thank you for pointing it out to everyone.
That's the thing about Downton Abbey, all the little, very correct, details that mostly go unnoticed by almost everyone in every scene. The little nuances of everything are absolutely amazing.
There should be books and/or videos made that cover every single nuance of every second of all the episodes. It would be an incredibly long and potentially very entertaining deep dive. The videos could be made with clickable visual elements highlighting "interesting elements" as they appear in each episode. So that way people could choose, or not choose, to click on each detail for further information; or just watch the episode as usual. I visualize it as being the video equivalent of a hyperlink. So you could watch the series with the "visual hyperlinks" either turned on or off. If 'On", then visual "halos" would appear around people or items that there was a story behind, or further cultural information, or something interesting to learn. As an American I know I miss a lot of things, but I sense, reading the comments of other Americans, and even some British people from a younger generation, that I'm picking up on things they are not. But I also get the distinct feeling that I'm still missing over 90 percent of the nuances that only a British person of a certain age and class background would notice. Fellowes is a genius!
Good catch. Not sure if it's true to the time period. According to historians, Victorian and Edwardian women drank to socialize or celebrate or sometimes for health during pregnancy and after childbirth. In some regions women drank in pubs or drank at home with their husbands. Middle and upper-class women also drank alcohol as part of everyday life.
@@SarahRenz59 I think that was more of a signal to the modern audience. Completely avoiding alcohol while pregnant didn't become common until the mid/late 1900s.
Funny thought because I doubt they knew much about foetal alcohol syndrome then
Oh, I didn't catch that!
I am a FAN to all in Downton Abbey… the roles were very well played.. I love , love, love Downton Abbey!
One of my favorite storylines on Downton, aside from the war one in season 2.
I wish for someone to bring up the full episodes, that'll a great treat
Some of these video titles make the Dowager seem like an Victorian/Edwardian version of Jessica Fletcher.
I loved Rosemand
Why did Edith think her aunt would want to hear her plan? She spent years telling Edith to walk away and let the child be adopted.
She is only pregnant in this episode . This is why they decided to get away , to give birth and no one would know .
Women aren't pregnant for "years", lol.
Edith absolutely noticed a lot of things.
“Not… France?” I always thought that was so funny.
I always hated that storyline, the Drew's took the baby in, in the mother grew to love Marigold but Edith snatches her back again just to put her in the care of a nanny😡
Marigold was all that was left of Michael Gregson and Edith needed her. It's understandable.
Nothing gets past The Dowager!
You can't fool grandma!!!!!!
I don't think anyone intentionally ignored Edith. They just focused on Mary because she's the oldest therfore the first they want married, and sybil because she was the baby and had a habit of being rebellious and just ahead of her time. Edith never really made a fuss so she slipped thru the cracks allowing her to hide this for so long.
Lol why did she have to say go to Switzerland to learn french. She could have just said shes going to take edith on a long holiday to cheer her up from Gregson's dissapearance
The dowager countess is so unfoolable 😂
Why didn't Rosamund use the cover story of going to the Continent to look for Gregson? It would've been much more believable than Rosamund wanting to learn French better.
Much preferred Samantha in Outnumbered as auntie Angela
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I believe Edith might be Rosamund's illegitimate daughter. She looks more like her than her parents and when Edith told her aunt she didn't have children, I thought she was going to say, "I'm your mother or I had a child." This would make sense why Mary was favored though her and Edith are close in age. Also why the other two look like Cora and she looks nothing like her at all.
Many children look like their aunts and uncles. My sister resembles our father's sister more than our mother and one of my nephews looks more like me than my brother in law.
You can look like anyone in your family, you carry potential genetic traits from all your relatives. Sybil has Cora's eyes but not her hair, and the opposite for Mary. Edith is absolutely Robert and Cora's daughter.
@@oielvert I know. One of my kids have lord knows who’s nose. All of us have small noses. But when you have a few kids you start to see recessive genes.
In this case it was that conversation and how her parents treated Mary as their favorite.
@@TheElochai I think Mary was always going to be the favorite. Robert decided to give her hand in marriage to Patrick from the moment Sybil was born. That means a lot of resources went into making sure Mary would be a suitable countess of Grantham. Notice that Mary's wardrobe was only second to Cora's while the girls went unmarried. Edith always seemed to have a shabbier version of whatever Mary was wearing. After Mary marries Matthew, the scenes start to pay attention to Edith's new outfits while she's seeing Michael Gregson. It might have been unintentional... but Edith was always going to end up with the shorter end of the stick while Sybil was too much of an oddball to notice anything going on.
In italiano
edit is no edith edmonds lincoln daguthher of roy dean edmond ssaint peter they are a different then sons of david. for they are arhcangel michaels children faather abraham lincon king arthur edmonds grannys smiths grand daughter from father abrham linconk king arthur edmonds now rooy dean edmonds
Mary was just awful. A real pinched beech!
a terrible age regards its prudishness