Agreed. It didn't take itself too seriously all things considered. But for the Sonic franchise, it seemed like it was just the right amount of taking itself seriously, while also having fun with the adventure. Kind of like how SA2 and Unleashed played their stories, but done just a tad darker. If that makes sense.
@@IAmSpeed10161 oh yeah. But I think what it comes down to is characterization and the writing team. With how the voice lines are carried out and the raw tone. The reason Roger and a few of the other cast members aren't well received and why I personally don't like them, is because their voices don't fit the characters and their lines fall completely flat due to the inability to portray emotional depth. Whereas the games in the 2000's had their own issues, writing, voice acting, and characterization was not in that criteria.
I don't think there's an "inability" to portray thr characters here. Cause honestly, Roger was pretty good as Boom Sonic. But rather I think it's just a lack of coordination on a lot of levels. I bet they do TONS of takes for all the voice lines in these games, and I don't doubt that Roger is being coached through like, every second of it, to sound a particular way, and then they just end up picking the takes that they THOUGHT were good, but in actuality, sounded pretty terrible.
@@IAmSpeed10161 yeah, I agree. And I've actually said it somewhere else in my conversations how Roger isn't a bad voice for Sonic. He's just a bad voice for the main Sonic. As in Boom, the writing and portrayal of the character really meshed well with Roger's voice. And even though I personally don't like Boom, I've gotta give them credit where it's due. I think the show that best portrays the mainline Sonic is Sonic X. And it shows true as they kept it up and even built upon it until Black Knight. Where afterwards, Sega fired the IP's from what I've heard and everything went downhill from Free Riders and onward.
@@Mr.WheeIer In Sonic Colors or in any other future game with the Wisps they give the time to properly explain it, but it's easy to assume that some of the Wisps decided to stay in Sonic's planet, especially since he was so kind to them, while others decided to go back to their own planets, like Yacker, who still is on Planet Wisp That's even confirmed in extern media which sometimes adds on the games lore, like the Sonic Channel Stories and the IDW Comics In the Sonic Channel stories, they say some of the Wisps decided to stay on Sonic's planet and live through many places of the world, there is even a story focused on Sonic and the Wisps that takes place in Windy Valley from SA1, it is said that some Wisps live in there alongside the animals (I assume that it's both anthropomorphic animals and regular animals) And in the IDW Comics, once again they confirm that some of the Wisps decided to stay on Sonic's planet, and they straight up confirm that the Wisps decided to help them in the Lost Hex and during the war against the Eggman Empire I mean, it's hard to go to extern media just to get those awnsers, but I think it is something that you can also figure out eventually by just looking at the games and what the Wisps do after Sonic Colors
The unleashed approach is the best. They managed to combine the comedic tone of the 2010s games at the beginning of the game, while still retaining the dark and serious approach from the 2000s ganes at the end of the game
played unleashed like 4 times and it was never dark to me, it was goofy. goofy humans, goofy lines, goofy characters, literally goofy robots companions, and inconsistent af global disaster. the earth gets literally cut in pieces and nothing happens
I see Frontiers' story as some kind of "apology" from Sonic Team for making very below average stories and messed up character writing for the last decade. As a fan who lived through the Meta Era, seeing Sonic Frontiers' story left me a bit hopeful for the future of Sonic storytelling. And with Gens Remaster on the way, they're continuing this trend of serious storytelling and tone while also expanding upon the lore of the franchise.
@IAmSpeed10161 btw, as someone who wants to make content on the side for fun, I'll be subbing. I like your content so far and I want you to keep on doing it 🙏
well, we have to remember that frontiers does create a new era of sonic's writting since they decided to not only bring a lore master person to help to correctly organize the lore of the series, but also to have a or the most well versed writter from the sonic comics. and one that wants to see hyper sonic as that :)
that likely the reason on why they are making sonicxshadows generations, this game has the purpose of helping with the wait for the next mainline sonic game, and to literally re-adjust ALL THE LORE POSSIBLE.
I blame vocal fans and critics for influencing the direction which storytelling in Sonic games went, as well as Sonic 06 for setting the stage that caused fans to lose faith in Sonic Team's ability to tell good stories. The way critics harped on Sonic Team pressured them into returning to their roots, which for many meant making the stories Sonic-focused and Saturday-morning-cartoon-esque. They also wanted gameplay to be Sonic-exclusive because it meant not dealing with the janky different gameplay that often came when Sonic Team added new characters to game. Really, Sonic games just suffered from bad writing and awful dialogue altogether, at least since 06. It seems though that this time around we have better writing in store and the dialogue and voice acting has improved so much. Also, I wish so-called fans would stop insisting that stories that involve colorful glove-wearing cartoon characters can't have serious stories full of stakes and consequences. It's an opinion that reeks of unimaginative thinking and I get irritated everytime I hear/read it.
You can’t really blame fans on this one since everytime sega shot themselves in the foot with dumb decisions and ideas they don’t reflect on how they can do better they just do a complete 180 making things worse
@@giovonniiclayton oh, I can absolutely blame fans given how divided we usually are when it comes to how Sonic games should be designed. Even if you put a fan in charge of the game’s development, another fan who reviews games professionally will find a reason to pan it because they too have their own vision for Sonic.
@sukumadehk Well, Sonic Adventure 1 was supposed to be the game that established what the tone of the stories would be and how to tell them for the next games 3D (2D games like the Advance trilogy would have their own thing). So, nothing problem in my opinion. Sonic Adventure 2 despite having a more serious and, to a certain extent, dark story due to Shadow and his backstory. It was consistent and felt like a natural continuation, but where the stories became inconsistent was starting with Sonic Heroes. It really feels weird that, from one moment to the next, we start to have a happier and less serious story (especially if we take into account that Sonic Heroes is a continuation of Sonic Adventure 2 because to the return of Shadow). And Shadow 2005 and Sonic 06, well... no need to mention it.
I feel like the modern sonic games’ story is just showing sonic “growing up” or learning new things, which is why he talk about things in frontiers that maybe we’ve even forgotten about y’know?
1998 - 2008 was more of a PG rated Shonen stint, and out of fear for the brand because of their own hasty and reckless actions with how they handled 06, SEGA made Sonic Team take a safer approach creatively with the series so 2010 - 2014 it went to more G rated Saturday morning cartoon sensibilities. Forces was an attempt to appeal to fans of the 2000’s era just for the sake of being an anniversary title, but it was altogether a poorly put together narrative. Frontiers is an effort to set the main narrative driven branch of the franchise’s games on a particular path that provides genuine characterization, world building, and lore consistency. It’s a course correction for how the creatives will handle mood and settings, but rest assured the dour setting of Frontiers isn’t going to be the entirety of all of the future lore & character driven titles because its purpose was mostly to just reaffirm the characterization of the core four characters and Eggman without all the extra fat that the setting of Sonic’s Earth comes with.
To be honest, I liked frontiers story. It wasn't the internet breaking story but it did something I've been waiting to see for a decade. To clean up the mess of the previous games. I have high hopes that Sonic X Shadow Generations will fix some things of the story that made no sense. Great video tho.
@@IAmSpeed10161 I am confident about Shadow 's story because if they mess up the reception will be extremely bad by the audience. Sonic's however... question marks. There was a rumor about reworked cutscenes. If they rewrite the dialogues onhave faith. With Ian Flynn in the writing it is possible.
@kavlito3108 I think Shadow's story will be handled better given how Sega has treated his character as of late. Though I didn't know about that rumor. And if it ends up being true well then, this might shape up to be an AMAZING game/remaster. Fingers crossed.🤞
I disagree he did pretty good with his comic exclusive characters but besides that bro literally ruined sonic as a character and the way the game characters are written is really mid which probably has more to do with sega than Ian but he has no excuses for how sonic is written
Honestly I don’t care. I just came here to say Sonic Frontiers is the best Sonic story in years and it shouldn’t be associated with the 2010’s games since we’re in a new decade and Sonic Team obviously wanted to go back a more serious story
I only really put it here since it marks a sort of turning point in the franchise. And it HEAVILY smooths out most of the issues from the 2010's games. And while I agree that it's the best Sonic game in a good long while. There's really no denying that it kind of exists as a band-aid for basically all the stuff the 2010's did wrong.
@@IAmSpeed10161 Good point. And I appreciate that, Sonic Frontiers does fix most the problems with the 2010’s. We needed this game as it allows Sonic in some ways to start over again or at least regain the storytelling it had back in the 2000’s
@@IAmSpeed10161 and while I do agree that the 2010’s Sonic games are inconsistent regarding lore and history, the games were consistent in terms of the light hearted wacky and at times stupid storytelling
You can love sonic frontiers but objectively speaking that game was borderline trash they gameplay itself was mid and the story was garbage bad villains barely improved the main cast of characters in any way especially tails
One thing that might help to explain why things have been so inconsistent is that with colors they brought in a new team of writers that knew basically nothing about the franchise. Those writers persisted all the way until Forces after which they were fired and Ian Flynn (writer of Archie and IDW Sonic comics) was brought in as the lead writer for frontiers and now for Sonic X Shadow generations as well. I have high hopes for the series going forward!
I really believe that they need to start over, reboot, the most consistent era of storytelling for Sonic was 1999 - 2005,9ne can tell from how connected the world feels during that time With 2010s, they changed gears and they never use what they have. At all. It all feels so lifeless and boring and I never get the vibe that the creators care too much for what they write. It sucks, so that's why I think they need to start over, look back at the past, use it in a new way and STICK WITH IT!
Well, Sonic Generations is my favourite amongst these games because of the characters, level, and the cool story of the time zones. It's easily the best 2011 video game and you can't tell me otherwise.
@@IAmSpeed10161 You're welcome. 2011 was a year with many game masterpieces like Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins and Rayman Origins. Almost every video game from that year which I've played is great at least with some unique experiences, but there was one game from that year which was so unimaginably bad and insulting to its franchise and company that it alone ruined the entire year for me and this game managed to not only easily become amongst my Top 10 Worst Video games of all-time list, but is actually the worst video game I've ever played in my entire life, dethroning Sonic '06 for this accomplishment. Guess what it is.
One thing that doesbt need consistency is the desugn of sonic, it wiuld be very nice getting a new sonic artstyle once in a while, not only that, the model we have now is very unexpressive, one thing that doesnt help is ever since unleashed, the animations have been getting more stiff or bland, reaching a high point in forces, he doesnt even use his eyebrow to express abynore either and he even list his iconic snarky idle animation
As much as I like the games after Sonic Adventure 2, I had a hard time with this fact after the Sonic Adventure series. I like the aesthetic of the realistic cities mixed with sci-fi and action with mech and robotics. It didn't go back to that really. At least the third Sonic movie is. I was also hoping the soap shoes would be permanent and if it's a branding thing, just get rid of the name.
To be fair sonic colours story is simple and some what harmless could it be improved yes but is a it a bastardisation of the series no that title goes to probably forces
Yup I agree Sonic Colors at least established its tone from the get go of being light hearted I can get not being a fan of Sonic’s jokes in the game but the game still raises its stakes naturally at the end unlike the future 2010’s games and it did have genuine moments like Sonic pushing tails in the elevator to save him while he takes care of Robotnik and the wisps saving Sonic from the black hole the wisps repaying him and the wholesome goodbye to the main wisp Yacker at the end. Not to mention it was the last Sonic game with originality all the way through no call backs to old stages or music just straight brand new stages and I will always have it in high regard for that.
You act like we can't have both deep and well written and chill Saturday morning writting.....somehow? Just depends on what Sonic Team/SEGA is looking to make
@@IAmSpeed10161 You saying they need to pick a lane is you saying they can't have both in everything but exact phrasing Picking a lane and having both are exact opposites of each other
Ok, fair enough, but again, the point is consistency. I really don't care what direction they take the franchise. I just care that they take the time to make the stories consistent with everything else that they're doing at the time. Which is exactly why Forces and Lost World are so terrible. Since they tried to have their cake and eat it to so to speak.
@@IAmSpeed10161 I'd say their issues are they just introduce stuff without really bothering to explain it The Lost Hex for example, why is it here NOW, how does Tails know about it, how can the Zeti control machines, so on. Stuff like this just goes unanswered when you'd think they're important And Forces feels like they had something ready, but had to course correct at the 11th hour (Chaos and Infinites backstory as examples. Both could've been fine, but feels like they weren't written around until the last possible moment and had to be shoehorned in)
Yeah, that's a valid point. And I'd say that sort of plays into the fact that the writing has been a bit wonky and how Sega has just let it go for so long that it's kind of gotten away from them.
Why are the sonic games being judged for inconsistent stories? Its not like the mario games have a story thats consistent, or COD campaigns, hell only the zombie story lines are consistent. The list goes on, legend of zelda, pokemon, final fantasy......
This is 2010-2022 games. I specifically didn't include Unleashed or Black Knight because of the fact that their stories are way more well put together and consistent then anything Colors and onward.
I... don't think the plot tones are the problem, only if the tone conflicts WITHIN the game like lost world and forces, but yeah, its like spiderman, sonic can have war story and a slice of life story, a anime like shonen type beat or anything really, these storys are just shit
Yeah, I really focused on Tone mostly cause of Lost World and Forces. Colors and Gens are FINE but they're honestly nothing special when it comes to this franchise..... sadly.😞
@@IAmSpeed10161I would love to see an Ifrit boss and nega Mother Wisp bosses in Sonic x Shadow generations. Both are connected to lore that sega refuses to use. Ifrit (sonic rivals 2) can destroy an intirer dimension bathing it in fire (the game comfirms its whole universe, not just a planet). Sonic and Shadow only defeat a heavily weakened ifrit as it isn't fully revived yet (it did eat a bunch of chao and become invincible, though. Plus, he has mind control powers and is just as sentient as chaos even though it wasn't at full power). But they still beat it in base, which is still incredibly impressive. I bring him up because Gerald has notes on ifrit implying Gerald Robotnik somehow got into the dimension that chaosic inferno takes place in. Plus, ifrit seems connected to the chao somehow, and Gerald knows of him, so i hope he is at least in the journal. As for the nega mother wisp, I loved her boss fight. She is a part of the wisps lore (yes, the wisps have lore actually lore, such as the mother wisp creating the wisps and the planets that eggman captured, the ds version of colors going into detail on how negative wisps are made and how it affects their minds, actually giving each wisps their own personalities like Lazer trying to fight the robots and void straight up destroying shit and causing chaos. The mother wisp is kind and motherly but can have a temper. eggman is lucky he got caught in the black hole before she got free. Plus, the wisps actually flow with level design in colors wii and ds. Similar to how the doom powers seem to. Unlike in the lost world or forces. The ds has a better story, than wii version. It has interesting lore, the wisps are fun and the stages are fun. Not to mention, multiple characters have sonic do missions to help free wisps or extra information on what is going on. I have both versions. The wisps are neat and do have lore. I wish sega would actually utilize their lore more). Ifrit and the mother wisp are very interesting and think you should cover them. Plus, the fact they, among other characters, defeated Ifrit in base shows how powerful they are. Also, I think marine the raccoon should return due to her unexplained power, and the complaints about her are already addressed in her character arc and development from sonic rush adventure. Also, phantom king creates the egg revery, which is infinite in space-time, and space and time (yes, there is a difference) in Sonic Mania, and that's just classic super sonic.
Not sure how much I could address about some of this lore, as the only games that I've played that are on here, are Sonic Colors Wii, and Sonic Mania. But I might give it go sometime in the near future. Maybe I could dive into some of the more niche aspects of Sonic lore on the channel. Might be fun. Also, thanks for the comment.
I think Sonic Colors was the best one out of the 2010’s as it already established that it would be light hearted from the get go, see the problem with Sonic is that it goes to far into trying to be overly dark and serious when it’s about a anthropomorphic hedgehog wearing gloves and shoes fighting a ego maniac scientist I don’t think it needs to go overboard here with games like Shadow the hedgehog, Sonic 06 they go a bit too uncannily serious to the point of hilariously bad because it’s trying to be serious. As they don’t feel like Sonic they feel like other games stories that got mushed into Sonic, especially Sonic 06 and Shadow the hedgehog, I think Sonic needs a balance and definitely needs to have Sonic’s world like the islands and stuff like that and make the humans more Sonic cartoon like which Unleashed did pretty well, like for example Super Paper Mario, if you haven’t played that game it’s one of the darkest stories Mario has ever told besides Thousand year door and Partners in time, anyway those stories shouldn’t fit a Mario game but do because there’s a balance between fun moments still feeling like a Mario game but taking the overall story serious and it feeling natural not forced like Sonic stories most times do instead of just letting the story naturally get dark SEGA will try so hard to be dark and edgy. I don’t need Sonic to be like Final Fantasy or the last of us I just need Sonic to be itself the stories I’ve enjoyed in the series is Sonic 3, Adventure 1&2, Heroes, Unleashed, Secret Rings, Rush and Black Knight those games did Sonic stories right their not being stupidly dark and they feel like a Sonic story with the right amount of fun light hearted and got the right amount of conflict and action moments and to me that’s the right kind of Sonic story fun moments with high levels of excitement near the end, not the 2010’s after Colors as those were just wannabe high stakes and characters shells of themselves even Frontiers I didn’t really care for it was boring and just felt like addressing what we already knew about the characters and past events and Shadow and 06 were just laughable fanfics, I think they need to stop trying to be overly dark and not be like the Meta era which is Lost world and Forces but find a balance between still being light hearted but having still stakes to take seriously because Sonic has always been like that even in golden age games like the first game you go from the beautiful green hill zone to the dark and evil mechanical Robotnik’s Scrap Brain.
Wow, I read ALL of this and gotta say, this is a very well rounded take. Though, with all that you just mentioned about how Sonic needs to find a balance, I raise you the Archie Sonic comics as a counter point. They are definitely the absolute DARKEST stories that the Sonic series ever told, yet they kept it consistent, and didn't try to change the characters in order to force a darker story. I definitely agree with the take of Sonic stories needing to find a balance and a consistency overall. Unleashed is my favorite Sonic game for that reason. But, what I think we should also consider, is not shutting out the idea of Sonic games taking themselves more seriously. Cause, as I've said, it HAS been done well. I just think the reason it appears so comical in the games, is cause no ideas are being committed to. But anyways, that's just my footnote take here. Thanks for the comment. Also, I hope you enjoyed the vid, and the rest of the channel so far. Have a good one.😁
@@IAmSpeed10161 Thanks for the comment, but see the only Sonic games I think it’s comical is Sonic 06 and especially Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow the hedgehog I feel was like that 14 year old fanfic that thought they knew what mature was like him holding a gun was just face palming and the cursing was cringe I don’t like using that word but it’s the only one I can think to describe of how I felt hearing that in the game and it felt forced like the voice actor was trying to stifle a laugh but tried to keep a straight face especially during that 4th Chaos Emerald cutscene we all know the one and with 06 everything has already been said about that game but I’ll add something all the characters felt like idiots even the villains and what makes it even more abundant is if Mephiles could just do what he did at the end of the game why did he need Silver?! Why did he try to trick Shadow as even if he did what was his goal?! Because it wasn’t to have Shadow help Silver get rid of Sonic right so that didn’t make any sense of why he was trying to manipulate him but it did give to a great Shadow characterization though the only good part of the game except the very end of 06 because it’s finally over. Anyway the other games in the series except Shadow and 06 👈😖UGH these two I really hate these two the only two I hate in the whole series well actually I’ll add Sonic Boom to them as well burn all three, But anyway I feel the rest of the games in the franchise didn’t have an issue with taking things seriously from Adventure 1 to Black Knight as they all had a balance even if some got a bit more darker in tone like Adventure 2, Secret Rings and Black Knight, they still did a great job with how they handled it and it felt natural for Sonic, I didn’t read the Archie comics I heard they get convoluted and confusing but that’s not Sonic’s fault for that it’s just Comic book trope 101 every comic book series has that issue that’s not just Sonic where it has multiple timelines, retcons, things changing, contradictory backstories the usual comic book stuff pretty much but that’s good to hear they were consistent now that’s outstanding considering it’s pretty hard to do that for a long running comic series, but yeah your welcome for the comment and thanks for the response you have a nice one as well 😁👍
Bro Sonic in Colors was a trash clown who didnt care about anything or anyone and threw stupid jokes, then how Sonic Colors was the best one?! Especially after Sonic in previous game ( Unleashed ) being a pretty good hero. I think that perfect story was in Unleashed, but I still think that its cool when Sonic games are edgy, cool and serious, its much better than being UA-cam Kids content trash mascot
I'd agree that Unleashed was better, but I didn't include it in this video cause I don't think it suffers from the same problems as Colors-Forces, with Frontiers being the course-corrector.
@@IAmSpeed10161 I think that Sonic Team tried to make Sonic Forces as a correction ( start being more serios again) but due to lack of time during Developmet, they couldnt develop story normally. But you still can see that they at least TRIED, trailers and the whole theme of the game ( Fight with Eggman army and new serious villian) proves it
While there's an arguement to be made for that, I don't think that that was necessarily the case, or that it happened to the degree that it did during the Meta Era. Sure, the writing of the series has never really been perfect, but at least with the Eras from 1998-2009 they managed to keep certain things consistent. Like for example: the characters. But in the Meta Era, any semblance of consistency wad more or less lost in favor of course correcting any and everything that those games did that was seen as "wrong" by the critics. Which, like I said, resulted in the franchise mostly feeling like a hollow shell of its former self by the time they reached Forces.
@@IAmSpeed10161 Ima play devil's advocate here and say the characters tend to be consistent to the era they are in... The meta era is fairly consistent...mostly...just not with anything that came before. :P Of course the 2000's games actually tried more to have focus on the characters themselves, but that's a seperate issue entirely.
@@IAmSpeed10161 Fair! I just thought of Sonic, Mario and other game series kind of like Spongebob a series that doesn't have much of a consistency though your points are fair because the Adventure games followed up by the 2D games
I think inconsistency was the whole point, just like Megaman making the next installment like a soft reboot reminiscent of the next episode or season of a cartoon like Spongebob or the Simpsons. I believe gameplay was put at the forefront with the story in the background, but I agree that it wasn't always executed well. I like how each game has its own style and theme though. I have no problem with what they chose to do however if they added consistency, it probably would have made things better overall. But if they prioritized consistency, I think it wouldn't have turned out as great as it did.
@ Solid-Lion_Official Well, shucks, let’s just turn Sonic into a swearing psycho, in the next game. Consistency doesn't matter, right? The series is SO much better by having characters act different from one game to the next, despite being part of the same canon, right? 🤦
Sonic needs to get rebooted I know it’s a hot take but honestly that’s the only way to see this franchise at it’s peak again, this continuity of sonic has been going on for too long the characters are extremely flanderized and now with sonic frontiers and shadow generations sega decided to go the full retcon route adding unnecessary new lore that confuses things adding more questions than answers
I don't know if a FULL reboot is in order here. But having a soft reboot like the Super Genesis Waves from the Archie comics is definitely something that this continuity could benefit from. Though I do hope that if the series DOES get rebooted, that they keep at least the core cast of characters, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Sonic and Shadow, etc.
Im sure everyone else is saying it, but idk why you're lumping frontiers in with the rest of these, frontiers is very obviously attempting to course correct the franchise, in order to get rid of inconsistency, you have to set a new normal. So yes, it's a bit different, but it's doing some very difficult work of trying to correct previous games' mistakes without just blatantly ignoring all of it.
Yeah. I mostly just put Frontiers in here for comparison. It's definitely much better than anything from the Meta Era. But's it not perfect, which is why I wanted to use it as sort of a "stepping-off-point". Anyways, thanks for the comment.
@@IAmSpeed10161 it’s fine sorry i sounded fucking rude LOL I know the pain. I hate panning the music because either you can’t hear it in my videos or it overpowers my voice.
@KyndlingStoneCB Yeah. But I'm glad you mentioned it cause I hadn't realized how loud the music really was. I kind of does overpower my voice more than I realized. Oops.😅
@@IAmSpeed10161 There's a rule when it comes to making a video essay that you should always lower the music more than you think you should, especially if your just starting out! The reason for this is because you not only know what your voice sounds like but also know what you said, thus making it easier for you to hear compared to your audience over loud music. So if you feel the music is "just right" and can barely hear what your saying over the music...turn it down at least a little bit! lol :P
Well it is, better than most of the stuff we got afterwards. It's not the best by any means, but at they try to take the story some-what seriously towards the end of the game.
I think they should stick with the kinda writing they had going on in Secret Rings and Black Knight.
Agreed. It didn't take itself too seriously all things considered. But for the Sonic franchise, it seemed like it was just the right amount of taking itself seriously, while also having fun with the adventure. Kind of like how SA2 and Unleashed played their stories, but done just a tad darker. If that makes sense.
@@IAmSpeed10161 oh yeah.
But I think what it comes down to is characterization and the writing team. With how the voice lines are carried out and the raw tone.
The reason Roger and a few of the other cast members aren't well received and why I personally don't like them, is because their voices don't fit the characters and their lines fall completely flat due to the inability to portray emotional depth.
Whereas the games in the 2000's had their own issues, writing, voice acting, and characterization was not in that criteria.
I don't think there's an "inability" to portray thr characters here. Cause honestly, Roger was pretty good as Boom Sonic. But rather I think it's just a lack of coordination on a lot of levels.
I bet they do TONS of takes for all the voice lines in these games, and I don't doubt that Roger is being coached through like, every second of it, to sound a particular way, and then they just end up picking the takes that they THOUGHT were good, but in actuality, sounded pretty terrible.
@@IAmSpeed10161 yeah, I agree. And I've actually said it somewhere else in my conversations how Roger isn't a bad voice for Sonic. He's just a bad voice for the main Sonic. As in Boom, the writing and portrayal of the character really meshed well with Roger's voice.
And even though I personally don't like Boom, I've gotta give them credit where it's due.
I think the show that best portrays the mainline Sonic is Sonic X. And it shows true as they kept it up and even built upon it until Black Knight. Where afterwards, Sega fired the IP's from what I've heard and everything went downhill from Free Riders and onward.
Black knight, secret rings. The same guy of SA2, Heroes, 06.
Sonic game in 2010: Lets set these aliens free
sonic game in 2017: Lets use these aliens as fuels for our weapons to fight in a war
Hahaha Lmao.🤣🤣🤣
Sonic game in 2005: Lets stop these aliens from taking over the world
Well, the aliens decided to help on their own, if Eggman took over the world, they would've been cooked just as much as the animals and humans
@@ThisisTheUltimate Sonic lore is confusing cuz i dont remember the wisps being apart of anything in the story for lost world or forces
@@Mr.WheeIer In Sonic Colors or in any other future game with the Wisps they give the time to properly explain it, but it's easy to assume that some of the Wisps decided to stay in Sonic's planet, especially since he was so kind to them, while others decided to go back to their own planets, like Yacker, who still is on Planet Wisp
That's even confirmed in extern media which sometimes adds on the games lore, like the Sonic Channel Stories and the IDW Comics
In the Sonic Channel stories, they say some of the Wisps decided to stay on Sonic's planet and live through many places of the world, there is even a story focused on Sonic and the Wisps that takes place in Windy Valley from SA1, it is said that some Wisps live in there alongside the animals (I assume that it's both anthropomorphic animals and regular animals)
And in the IDW Comics, once again they confirm that some of the Wisps decided to stay on Sonic's planet, and they straight up confirm that the Wisps decided to help them in the Lost Hex and during the war against the Eggman Empire
I mean, it's hard to go to extern media just to get those awnsers, but I think it is something that you can also figure out eventually by just looking at the games and what the Wisps do after Sonic Colors
The unleashed approach is the best. They managed to combine the comedic tone of the 2010s games at the beginning of the game, while still retaining the dark and serious approach from the 2000s ganes at the end of the game
played unleashed like 4 times and it was never dark to me, it was goofy. goofy humans, goofy lines, goofy characters, literally goofy robots companions, and inconsistent af global disaster. the earth gets literally cut in pieces and nothing happens
I see Frontiers' story as some kind of "apology" from Sonic Team for making very below average stories and messed up character writing for the last decade. As a fan who lived through the Meta Era, seeing Sonic Frontiers' story left me a bit hopeful for the future of Sonic storytelling. And with Gens Remaster on the way, they're continuing this trend of serious storytelling and tone while also expanding upon the lore of the franchise.
Yep. Things are definitely looking up.
@IAmSpeed10161 btw, as someone who wants to make content on the side for fun, I'll be subbing. I like your content so far and I want you to keep on doing it 🙏
@@StarForce99 Thank you. And good luck on your content journey.
well, we have to remember that frontiers does create a new era of sonic's writting
since they decided to not only bring a lore master person to help to correctly organize the lore of the series, but also to have a or the most well versed writter from the sonic comics.
and one that wants to see hyper sonic as that :)
that likely the reason on why they are making sonicxshadows generations, this game has the purpose of helping with the wait for the next mainline sonic game, and to literally re-adjust ALL THE LORE POSSIBLE.
Good thing sonic storys are back, i hope for sxsg they redo the story for normal gens to be more with shadow gens
I highly doubt they'll go that far given what we've seen/learned about the game. But, never say never I guess.
I blame vocal fans and critics for influencing the direction which storytelling in Sonic games went, as well as Sonic 06 for setting the stage that caused fans to lose faith in Sonic Team's ability to tell good stories. The way critics harped on Sonic Team pressured them into returning to their roots, which for many meant making the stories Sonic-focused and Saturday-morning-cartoon-esque. They also wanted gameplay to be Sonic-exclusive because it meant not dealing with the janky different gameplay that often came when Sonic Team added new characters to game.
Really, Sonic games just suffered from bad writing and awful dialogue altogether, at least since 06. It seems though that this time around we have better writing in store and the dialogue and voice acting has improved so much.
Also, I wish so-called fans would stop insisting that stories that involve colorful glove-wearing cartoon characters can't have serious stories full of stakes and consequences. It's an opinion that reeks of unimaginative thinking and I get irritated everytime I hear/read it.
You can’t really blame fans on this one since everytime sega shot themselves in the foot with dumb decisions and ideas they don’t reflect on how they can do better they just do a complete 180 making things worse
@@giovonniiclayton oh, I can absolutely blame fans given how divided we usually are when it comes to how Sonic games should be designed. Even if you put a fan in charge of the game’s development, another fan who reviews games professionally will find a reason to pan it because they too have their own vision for Sonic.
Sonic frontiers really did just save Sonic didn’t it? 😂 Still my favorite Sonic game. ✊
After Black Knight sonic stories have been inconsistent
They've been so in the 2000s aswell... c'mon now.
And by that, I mean style.
Unleashed and Blck Knight being the biggest examples.
They've been inconsistent since the 1999 probably even till sonic cd
Wrong... Since the 2000s the stories have been inconsistent, especially in the tone of the stories.
@@sebastianmartinez5963 I think you mean since sa1 but that's still true
@sukumadehk Well, Sonic Adventure 1 was supposed to be the game that established what the tone of the stories would be and how to tell them for the next games 3D (2D games like the Advance trilogy would have their own thing). So, nothing problem in my opinion.
Sonic Adventure 2 despite having a more serious and, to a certain extent, dark story due to Shadow and his backstory. It was consistent and felt like a natural continuation, but where the stories became inconsistent was starting with Sonic Heroes. It really feels weird that, from one moment to the next, we start to have a happier and less serious story (especially if we take into account that Sonic Heroes is a continuation of Sonic Adventure 2 because to the return of Shadow). And Shadow 2005 and Sonic 06, well... no need to mention it.
I feel like the modern sonic games’ story is just showing sonic “growing up” or learning new things, which is why he talk about things in frontiers that maybe we’ve even forgotten about y’know?
I could definitely see that when applied to Frontiers, but as for the others, I don't quite follow.
The problem is not the tone, but the way the character is used.
1998 - 2008 was more of a PG rated Shonen stint, and out of fear for the brand because of their own hasty and reckless actions with how they handled 06, SEGA made Sonic Team take a safer approach creatively with the series so 2010 - 2014 it went to more G rated Saturday morning cartoon sensibilities. Forces was an attempt to appeal to fans of the 2000’s era just for the sake of being an anniversary title, but it was altogether a poorly put together narrative.
Frontiers is an effort to set the main narrative driven branch of the franchise’s games on a particular path that provides genuine characterization, world building, and lore consistency. It’s a course correction for how the creatives will handle mood and settings, but rest assured the dour setting of Frontiers isn’t going to be the entirety of all of the future lore & character driven titles because its purpose was mostly to just reaffirm the characterization of the core four characters and Eggman without all the extra fat that the setting of Sonic’s Earth comes with.
To be honest, I liked frontiers story. It wasn't the internet breaking story but it did something I've been waiting to see for a decade. To clean up the mess of the previous games. I have high hopes that Sonic X Shadow Generations will fix some things of the story that made no sense. Great video tho.
Thanks. Also, yeah, I do hope Shadow Gens' story is good cause we need it after all this time.
@@IAmSpeed10161 I am confident about Shadow 's story because if they mess up the reception will be extremely bad by the audience. Sonic's however... question marks. There was a rumor about reworked cutscenes. If they rewrite the dialogues onhave faith. With Ian Flynn in the writing it is possible.
@kavlito3108 I think Shadow's story will be handled better given how Sega has treated his character as of late. Though I didn't know about that rumor. And if it ends up being true well then, this might shape up to be an AMAZING game/remaster. Fingers crossed.🤞
@@IAmSpeed10161 Indeed
With Ian flynns involvement in the writing for sonic, I think the future looks great for good arcs/storytelling for this world and its characters
That's not saying much when his work in idw blows
He also worked on some of the more well received stuff in Archie. So there's that.
I disagree he did pretty good with his comic exclusive characters but besides that bro literally ruined sonic as a character and the way the game characters are written is really mid which probably has more to do with sega than Ian but he has no excuses for how sonic is written
Honestly I don’t care. I just came here to say Sonic Frontiers is the best Sonic story in years and it shouldn’t be associated with the 2010’s games since we’re in a new decade and Sonic Team obviously wanted to go back a more serious story
I only really put it here since it marks a sort of turning point in the franchise. And it HEAVILY smooths out most of the issues from the 2010's games. And while I agree that it's the best Sonic game in a good long while. There's really no denying that it kind of exists as a band-aid for basically all the stuff the 2010's did wrong.
@@IAmSpeed10161 Good point. And I appreciate that, Sonic Frontiers does fix most the problems with the 2010’s. We needed this game as it allows Sonic in some ways to start over again or at least regain the storytelling it had back in the 2000’s
@@IAmSpeed10161 and while I do agree that the 2010’s Sonic games are inconsistent regarding lore and history, the games were consistent in terms of the light hearted wacky and at times stupid storytelling
@rickyronny4019 Yeah, I couldn't agree more.
You can love sonic frontiers but objectively speaking that game was borderline trash they gameplay itself was mid and the story was garbage bad villains barely improved the main cast of characters in any way especially tails
One thing that might help to explain why things have been so inconsistent is that with colors they brought in a new team of writers that knew basically nothing about the franchise. Those writers persisted all the way until Forces after which they were fired and Ian Flynn (writer of Archie and IDW Sonic comics) was brought in as the lead writer for frontiers and now for Sonic X Shadow generations as well. I have high hopes for the series going forward!
Me too.
I really believe that they need to start over, reboot, the most consistent era of storytelling for Sonic was 1999 - 2005,9ne can tell from how connected the world feels during that time
With 2010s, they changed gears and they never use what they have. At all. It all feels so lifeless and boring and I never get the vibe that the creators care too much for what they write. It sucks, so that's why I think they need to start over, look back at the past, use it in a new way and STICK WITH IT!
Well, Sonic Generations is my favourite amongst these games because of the characters, level, and the cool story of the time zones. It's easily the best 2011 video game and you can't tell me otherwise.
Your entitled to your opinion. Also, thank you for the comment.
@@IAmSpeed10161 You're welcome. 2011 was a year with many game masterpieces like Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins and Rayman Origins. Almost every video game from that year which I've played is great at least with some unique experiences, but there was one game from that year which was so unimaginably bad and insulting to its franchise and company that it alone ruined the entire year for me and this game managed to not only easily become amongst my Top 10 Worst Video games of all-time list, but is actually the worst video game I've ever played in my entire life, dethroning Sonic '06 for this accomplishment. Guess what it is.
What game is it?
@@IAmSpeed10161 Drumroll please. The one the only...
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One thing that doesbt need consistency is the desugn of sonic, it wiuld be very nice getting a new sonic artstyle once in a while, not only that, the model we have now is very unexpressive, one thing that doesnt help is ever since unleashed, the animations have been getting more stiff or bland, reaching a high point in forces, he doesnt even use his eyebrow to express abynore either and he even list his iconic snarky idle animation
As much as I like the games after Sonic Adventure 2, I had a hard time with this fact after the Sonic Adventure series. I like the aesthetic of the realistic cities mixed with sci-fi and action with mech and robotics. It didn't go back to that really. At least the third Sonic movie is. I was also hoping the soap shoes would be permanent and if it's a branding thing, just get rid of the name.
Yeah. It would be cool if the Soap Shoes were permanent. But hey. At least there are mods for that kind of thing.
Just a note, Modern Sonic started in 1998 with Sonic Adventure!
To be fair sonic colours story is simple and some what harmless could it be improved yes but is a it a bastardisation of the series no that title goes to probably forces
Yup I agree Sonic Colors at least established its tone from the get go of being light hearted I can get not being a fan of Sonic’s jokes in the game but the game still raises its stakes naturally at the end unlike the future 2010’s games and it did have genuine moments like Sonic pushing tails in the elevator to save him while he takes care of Robotnik and the wisps saving Sonic from the black hole the wisps repaying him and the wholesome goodbye to the main wisp Yacker at the end.
Not to mention it was the last Sonic game with originality all the way through no call backs to old stages or music just straight brand new stages and I will always have it in high regard for that.
classic sonic is put on force in a last minute production.
Frontiers switched writers though to be fair. I like the new writer far better
Yeah, Ian Flynn did a good job of patching things back up.
Lost World and Forces are better off not existing.
You act like we can't have both deep and well written and chill Saturday morning writting.....somehow? Just depends on what Sonic Team/SEGA is looking to make
Never said that. Just that it has been done to death and is kind of a cop-out type story. That's all.
@@IAmSpeed10161 You saying they need to pick a lane is you saying they can't have both in everything but exact phrasing
Picking a lane and having both are exact opposites of each other
Ok, fair enough, but again, the point is consistency. I really don't care what direction they take the franchise. I just care that they take the time to make the stories consistent with everything else that they're doing at the time. Which is exactly why Forces and Lost World are so terrible. Since they tried to have their cake and eat it to so to speak.
@@IAmSpeed10161 I'd say their issues are they just introduce stuff without really bothering to explain it
The Lost Hex for example, why is it here NOW, how does Tails know about it, how can the Zeti control machines, so on. Stuff like this just goes unanswered when you'd think they're important
And Forces feels like they had something ready, but had to course correct at the 11th hour (Chaos and Infinites backstory as examples. Both could've been fine, but feels like they weren't written around until the last possible moment and had to be shoehorned in)
Yeah, that's a valid point. And I'd say that sort of plays into the fact that the writing has been a bit wonky and how Sega has just let it go for so long that it's kind of gotten away from them.
Why are the sonic games being judged for inconsistent stories? Its not like the mario games have a story thats consistent, or COD campaigns, hell only the zombie story lines are consistent. The list goes on, legend of zelda, pokemon, final fantasy......
Dawg forgot unleashed 😢
This is 2010-2022 games. I specifically didn't include Unleashed or Black Knight because of the fact that their stories are way more well put together and consistent then anything Colors and onward.
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I... don't think the plot tones are the problem, only if the tone conflicts WITHIN the game like lost world and forces, but yeah, its like spiderman, sonic can have war story and a slice of life story, a anime like shonen type beat or anything really, these storys are just shit
Yeah, I really focused on Tone mostly cause of Lost World and Forces. Colors and Gens are FINE but they're honestly nothing special when it comes to this franchise..... sadly.😞
@@IAmSpeed10161I would love to see an Ifrit boss and nega Mother Wisp bosses in Sonic x Shadow generations. Both are connected to lore that sega refuses to use. Ifrit (sonic rivals 2) can destroy an intirer dimension bathing it in fire (the game comfirms its whole universe, not just a planet). Sonic and Shadow only defeat a heavily weakened ifrit as it isn't fully revived yet (it did eat a bunch of chao and become invincible, though. Plus, he has mind control powers and is just as sentient as chaos even though it wasn't at full power). But they still beat it in base, which is still incredibly impressive. I bring him up because Gerald has notes on ifrit implying Gerald Robotnik somehow got into the dimension that chaosic inferno takes place in. Plus, ifrit seems connected to the chao somehow, and Gerald knows of him, so i hope he is at least in the journal. As for the nega mother wisp, I loved her boss fight. She is a part of the wisps lore (yes, the wisps have lore actually lore, such as the mother wisp creating the wisps and the planets that eggman captured, the ds version of colors going into detail on how negative wisps are made and how it affects their minds, actually giving each wisps their own personalities like Lazer trying to fight the robots and void straight up destroying shit and causing chaos. The mother wisp is kind and motherly but can have a temper. eggman is lucky he got caught in the black hole before she got free. Plus, the wisps actually flow with level design in colors wii and ds. Similar to how the doom powers seem to. Unlike in the lost world or forces. The ds has a better story, than wii version. It has interesting lore, the wisps are fun and the stages are fun. Not to mention, multiple characters have sonic do missions to help free wisps or extra information on what is going on. I have both versions. The wisps are neat and do have lore. I wish sega would actually utilize their lore more). Ifrit and the mother wisp are very interesting and think you should cover them. Plus, the fact they, among other characters, defeated Ifrit in base shows how powerful they are. Also, I think marine the raccoon should return due to her unexplained power, and the complaints about her are already addressed in her character arc and development from sonic rush adventure. Also, phantom king creates the egg revery, which is infinite in space-time, and space and time (yes, there is a difference) in Sonic Mania, and that's just classic super sonic.
Not sure how much I could address about some of this lore, as the only games that I've played that are on here, are Sonic Colors Wii, and Sonic Mania. But I might give it go sometime in the near future.
Maybe I could dive into some of the more niche aspects of Sonic lore on the channel. Might be fun. Also, thanks for the comment.
@@IAmSpeed10161 okie dokie. No problem.
Stay inconsistent Sonic. Be free! ❤
I think Sonic Colors was the best one out of the 2010’s as it already established that it would be light hearted from the get go, see the problem with Sonic is that it goes to far into trying to be overly dark and serious when it’s about a anthropomorphic hedgehog wearing gloves and shoes fighting a ego maniac scientist I don’t think it needs to go overboard here with games like Shadow the hedgehog, Sonic 06 they go a bit too uncannily serious to the point of hilariously bad because it’s trying to be serious.
As they don’t feel like Sonic they feel like other games stories that got mushed into Sonic, especially Sonic 06 and Shadow the hedgehog, I think Sonic needs a balance and definitely needs to have Sonic’s world like the islands and stuff like that and make the humans more Sonic cartoon like which Unleashed did pretty well, like for example Super Paper Mario, if you haven’t played that game it’s one of the darkest stories Mario has ever told besides Thousand year door and Partners in time, anyway those stories shouldn’t fit a Mario game but do because there’s a balance between fun moments still feeling like a Mario game but taking the overall story serious and it feeling natural not forced like Sonic stories most times do instead of just letting the story naturally get dark SEGA will try so hard to be dark and edgy.
I don’t need Sonic to be like Final Fantasy or the last of us I just need Sonic to be itself the stories I’ve enjoyed in the series is Sonic 3, Adventure 1&2, Heroes, Unleashed, Secret Rings, Rush and Black Knight those games did Sonic stories right their not being stupidly dark and they feel like a Sonic story with the right amount of fun light hearted and got the right amount of conflict and action moments and to me that’s the right kind of Sonic story fun moments with high levels of excitement near the end, not the 2010’s after Colors as those were just wannabe high stakes and characters shells of themselves even Frontiers I didn’t really care for it was boring and just felt like addressing what we already knew about the characters and past events and Shadow and 06 were just laughable fanfics, I think they need to stop trying to be overly dark and not be like the Meta era which is Lost world and Forces but find a balance between still being light hearted but having still stakes to take seriously because Sonic has always been like that even in golden age games like the first game you go from the beautiful green hill zone to the dark and evil mechanical Robotnik’s Scrap Brain.
Wow, I read ALL of this and gotta say, this is a very well rounded take. Though, with all that you just mentioned about how Sonic needs to find a balance, I raise you the Archie Sonic comics as a counter point. They are definitely the absolute DARKEST stories that the Sonic series ever told, yet they kept it consistent, and didn't try to change the characters in order to force a darker story.
I definitely agree with the take of Sonic stories needing to find a balance and a consistency overall. Unleashed is my favorite Sonic game for that reason. But, what I think we should also consider, is not shutting out the idea of Sonic games taking themselves more seriously. Cause, as I've said, it HAS been done well. I just think the reason it appears so comical in the games, is cause no ideas are being committed to.
But anyways, that's just my footnote take here. Thanks for the comment. Also, I hope you enjoyed the vid, and the rest of the channel so far. Have a good one.😁
@@IAmSpeed10161 Thanks for the comment, but see the only Sonic games I think it’s comical is Sonic 06 and especially Shadow the Hedgehog, Shadow the hedgehog I feel was like that 14 year old fanfic that thought they knew what mature was like him holding a gun was just face palming and the cursing was cringe I don’t like using that word but it’s the only one I can think to describe of how I felt hearing that in the game and it felt forced like the voice actor was trying to stifle a laugh but tried to keep a straight face especially during that 4th Chaos Emerald cutscene we all know the one and with 06 everything has already been said about that game but I’ll add something all the characters felt like idiots even the villains and what makes it even more abundant is if Mephiles could just do what he did at the end of the game why did he need Silver?! Why did he try to trick Shadow as even if he did what was his goal?! Because it wasn’t to have Shadow help Silver get rid of Sonic right so that didn’t make any sense of why he was trying to manipulate him but it did give to a great Shadow characterization though the only good part of the game except the very end of 06 because it’s finally over.
Anyway the other games in the series except Shadow and 06 👈😖UGH these two I really hate these two the only two I hate in the whole series well actually I’ll add Sonic Boom to them as well burn all three,
But anyway I feel the rest of the games in the franchise didn’t have an issue with taking things seriously from Adventure 1 to Black Knight as they all had a balance even if some got a bit more darker in tone like Adventure 2, Secret Rings and Black Knight, they still did a great job with how they handled it and it felt natural for Sonic, I didn’t read the Archie comics I heard they get convoluted and confusing but that’s not Sonic’s fault for that it’s just Comic book trope 101 every comic book series has that issue that’s not just Sonic where it has multiple timelines, retcons, things changing, contradictory backstories the usual comic book stuff pretty much but that’s good to hear they were consistent now that’s outstanding considering it’s pretty hard to do that for a long running comic series, but yeah your welcome for the comment and thanks for the response you have a nice one as well 😁👍
Bro Sonic in Colors was a trash clown who didnt care about anything or anyone and threw stupid jokes, then how Sonic Colors was the best one?!
Especially after Sonic in previous game ( Unleashed ) being a pretty good hero.
I think that perfect story was in Unleashed, but I still think that its cool when Sonic games are edgy, cool and serious, its much better than being UA-cam Kids content trash mascot
I'd agree that Unleashed was better, but I didn't include it in this video cause I don't think it suffers from the same problems as Colors-Forces, with Frontiers being the course-corrector.
@@IAmSpeed10161 I think that Sonic Team tried to make Sonic Forces as a correction ( start being more serios again) but due to lack of time during Developmet, they couldnt develop story normally.
But you still can see that they at least TRIED, trailers and the whole theme of the game ( Fight with Eggman army and new serious villian) proves it
But the writting was already inconsistent before that, It's like Spongebob, Odd parents and shows that aren't meant to have consistenty
While there's an arguement to be made for that, I don't think that that was necessarily the case, or that it happened to the degree that it did during the Meta Era. Sure, the writing of the series has never really been perfect, but at least with the Eras from 1998-2009 they managed to keep certain things consistent. Like for example: the characters.
But in the Meta Era, any semblance of consistency wad more or less lost in favor of course correcting any and everything that those games did that was seen as "wrong" by the critics. Which, like I said, resulted in the franchise mostly feeling like a hollow shell of its former self by the time they reached Forces.
@@IAmSpeed10161 Ima play devil's advocate here and say the characters tend to be consistent to the era they are in...
The meta era is fairly consistent...mostly...just not with anything that came before. :P
Of course the 2000's games actually tried more to have focus on the characters themselves, but that's a seperate issue entirely.
@@IAmSpeed10161 Fair! I just thought of Sonic, Mario and other game series kind of like Spongebob a series that doesn't have much of a consistency though your points are fair because the Adventure games followed up by the 2D games
I think inconsistency was the whole point, just like Megaman making the next installment like a soft reboot reminiscent of the next episode or season of a cartoon like Spongebob or the Simpsons. I believe gameplay was put at the forefront with the story in the background, but I agree that it wasn't always executed well. I like how each game has its own style and theme though. I have no problem with what they chose to do however if they added consistency, it probably would have made things better overall. But if they prioritized consistency, I think it wouldn't have turned out as great as it did.
@ Solid-Lion_Official
Well, shucks, let’s just turn Sonic into a swearing psycho, in the next game. Consistency doesn't matter, right? The series is SO much better by having characters act different from one game to the next, despite being part of the same canon, right? 🤦
@@domanskikid character development should be consistent to the extent where the characters aren't compromised of course.
Sonic needs to get rebooted I know it’s a hot take but honestly that’s the only way to see this franchise at it’s peak again, this continuity of sonic has been going on for too long the characters are extremely flanderized and now with sonic frontiers and shadow generations sega decided to go the full retcon route adding unnecessary new lore that confuses things adding more questions than answers
I don't know if a FULL reboot is in order here. But having a soft reboot like the Super Genesis Waves from the Archie comics is definitely something that this continuity could benefit from. Though I do hope that if the series DOES get rebooted, that they keep at least the core cast of characters, Tails, Amy, Knuckles, Sonic and Shadow, etc.
@@IAmSpeed10161 definitely would keep the core characters that’s a must but they would be new incarnations of them
Good video i agree with you
Thanks.
Im sure everyone else is saying it, but idk why you're lumping frontiers in with the rest of these, frontiers is very obviously attempting to course correct the franchise, in order to get rid of inconsistency, you have to set a new normal. So yes, it's a bit different, but it's doing some very difficult work of trying to correct previous games' mistakes without just blatantly ignoring all of it.
Yeah. I mostly just put Frontiers in here for comparison. It's definitely much better than anything from the Meta Era. But's it not perfect, which is why I wanted to use it as sort of a "stepping-off-point". Anyways, thanks for the comment.
Can you turn the music down
I typically Amp my voice and nerf the music in these vids. I'll try to get it more balanced next time.
@@IAmSpeed10161 it’s fine sorry i sounded fucking rude LOL
I know the pain. I hate panning the music because either you can’t hear it in my videos or it overpowers my voice.
@KyndlingStoneCB Yeah. But I'm glad you mentioned it cause I hadn't realized how loud the music really was. I kind of does overpower my voice more than I realized. Oops.😅
@@IAmSpeed10161 There's a rule when it comes to making a video essay that you should always lower the music more than you think you should, especially if your just starting out! The reason for this is because you not only know what your voice sounds like but also know what you said, thus making it easier for you to hear compared to your audience over loud music. So if you feel the music is "just right" and can barely hear what your saying over the music...turn it down at least a little bit! lol :P
@Alienrun Yeah, I'll try to do better with that in the future.
They have now
2:50 SONIC COLORS HAS NORMAL CHARACTERS?! nice joke
Well it is, better than most of the stuff we got afterwards. It's not the best by any means, but at they try to take the story some-what seriously towards the end of the game.
garbage movie
What movie?