Miyamoto is a strange one, I just learned recently that the Twilight Princess Dev team were actually planning on making a Majora's style sequel to it probably reusing assets but until Miyamoto walked in and told them no and work on Link's Crossbow Training instead, this situation is bizarrely similar to what happened to Sticker Star. They had a different project in mind but had to change it just because he came in and said so and a way worse/less fun idea came off it
well no wonder every single zelda game after majoras mask Sucked it’s simply because they never made a true sequel to it with the elements of that game making a return basically going back to what made zelda such as beloved for me as a kid as i’ve hated every supposed game that came majoras mask and never been able to top that game even though it’s been over 20 years it’s a damn shame too as majoras mask was my favorite in the entire zelda franchise and still is to this day same with ttyd for paper mario as they’ve never been able to top it because they never made a true sequel to it which sucks 😢😢😢
@@Joker22593 i agree with you it pisses me off that we’ll never get another true paper mario game like ttyd again this is myomoto’s fault as i boycotted modern paper mario for bug fables instead because at least bug fables is still paper mario 😢
TP is my favorite but honestly a Majora's mask sequel could have been amazing. He's just too narcissistic to have anything outside his vision honestly seems to happen a lot in a artistic industries. Miyamoto in particular is too anal about being different he seems to fail to realize that he's developing video game SERIES and that some level of similarity is going to happen. The lack of a story for an rpg being fine to him really shows that he didn't have any idea why people liked paper Mario.
I feel like the paper aesthetic that takes hold in the newer Paper Mario games _could_ work. It would be a nice scrapbook/storybook feel. Of course, that doesn't mean I want the bosses to be office supplies.
honestly, I feel like it actually did work. Sticker Star had a lot of diorama-esque elements in the background like the UI being held up by little straws and Color Splash definitely tried to play with the idea a bit more, especially with areas like Sacred Woods
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare it was just Miyamoto having his head up his ass. Honestly it seems like not VG developers end up developing some form of narcissism and try to outdo themselves to a point of being ridiculous. It almost happened with metal gear and it happened here. The more people succeed they more they tend to sick themselves.
@@nickcarballo6039 i didn’t realize it almost happened with metal gear too it’s a good thing it didn’t and yea that’s true the more they succeed the more they might get a big head about stuff
The weird thing is that Super Mario Mario remains the best-selling Paper Mario game. By Nintendo's bizarre "logic," the series should've become more like that. I'm honestly under the impression that Miyamoto and other higher-ups didn't like how different Paper Mario was, how it took risks, and how it had deeper, darker, and more involved storytelling than anything else in the Mario series... you know, all the things we old fans loved about those games.
but that doesn’t make any sense now look at mario party luigies mansion 3 and sparks of hope if they were really intending on crushing any hopes and dreams of the spinoff games like paper mario overrun the mainline games they would have hogtied the other games and kept them just as restricted as modern paper mario it just doesn’t fit right because these other games disproved them trying to hogtie other developers into making the uninspired crap during the wii u era i don’t get where people get this idea that they don’t let their other developers create new content as it’s been proven false many times now by the games i mentioned above
Paper Mario 64's design/characters was seen as an appropriate level of "Mario-ish" by Nintendo Execs. Paper Mario TTYD was seen as not "Mario-ish" but nevertheless they let it go. Super Paper Mario made Nintendo Execs freak out, thinking the series went to far away from Mario lore....
I have a theory that Nintendo was so embarrassed by Super Paper Mario's plot and world being in a Mario game and it being the first Mario game for Wii and selling millions of units that they wanted to reboot the franchise. Let's be honest, if the series continued in the direction that Super Paper Mario set, story-wise, it would start to not be a Mario game anymore. However, I don't think that's a bad thing because Paper Mario forming an identity and world that transcends what we have seen in any Mario game would actually be really grand!
@@wool578 One of the best aspects of Mario Galaxy story-wise is Rosalina's backstory. It was totally optional and missable, but it was great. The reason it was great is because it was 100% out of Miyamoto's grimy little hands and basically snuck in to the game without his knowledge. He was angry and personally made sure that anything like that was not present in Mario Galaxy 2. And it sucks that I feel like the need to talk about Miyamoto like this, but he's basically the George Lucas of video games at this point. He's in many ways a brilliant visionary, but he needs people around him to reject his bad ideas and say "no" to him all the time or else we get games like Paper Mario Sticker Star or Star Fox Zero.
@@RegalPixelKing miyamoto has lost true innovations and sees it as just making a game different. He's lost his touch and with out Nintendo supervising I'm sure he'd have flopped a while ago. It's the reason why there's no such thing as a true genius. Some people have genius ideas and sometimes they get on streak but eventually everyone falls into mediocrity or worse without some luck and honest self evaluation. Narcissism is the death of most artists.
yea at least mario and luigi dream team was still a true mario and luigi game unlike sticker star which isn’t a true paper mario game thanks nentendo for killing paper mario as it’s an rpg not a lame ass action adventure game
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare honestly I dont really care about gameplay in paper mario by all means if you have a new idea go nuts thats why super is my favorite if the gameplay is competent then im ok with it I actually care more about the characters and the story which every paper mario game after super had a disappointing incompetent story
@@user-bb2op9he1x i honestly just want the gameplay to be like the thousand year door and i honestly hated super paper mario too as the story sucked and it wasn’t exactly like the thousand year door we haven’t had a true paper mario game in almost 2 Decades thanks for killing paper mario nentendo your gonna die just like sega died ages ago because almost no one cares about the roots of mario anymore it’s all about the rpgs now a days and since they aren’t doing that mario is basically going to die really soon which sucks 😤
One thing that bugged me about the game was how extremely apprehensive and secretive Nintendo seemingly was about gameplay trailers for this game before 2012. These are hard to find on UA-cam nowadays but there use to be off screen footage of earlier trailers to this game that were playing on 3DS kiosks in several different events between E3 2010 and E3 2011. Also before the game officially came out they had a demo of this game at New York Comic Con 2012 and there was one channel that uploaded gameplay and Nintendo DMCA those videos as well. It's as if they had something to hide regarding this game.
@@J05UA-cam it's been 8 and a half years so I don't remember. Like I said the original upload was taken down days after they posted it anyways. I'd like to say "Nintendo World Report" was the channel name since they use to do off screen recordings of game demos at the time but I'm not sure if it was them.
@@PipeGuy64Bit I was about 15 or 16 at the time these images and videos were circulated, and I 100% agree, they made it seem like this was a return to form, and the return of the traditional rpg mario, it wasn't until most of us bought this game that we realized it was too late. I hate this game so much.
@@MomoKunDaYoi agree with you i got baited by sticker star too as i think that’s the big reason why it outsold ttyd it’s because people thought it was like ttyd only to regret the purchase afterwards i grew up with 64 and always wanted a game that evolved the formula and i was ecstatic to play sticker star thinking it was going to be a return to form only to force myself to beat the game out of frustration thank god paper mario 64 was re released on switch as the series was dead since ttyd and it’s staying that way until we get a true rpg paper mario game again
What's frustrating is that people try to defend Miyamoto's disdain for stories by taking various quotes out of context. He said he wants games to be more ambitious, but that was said about Super Mario Galaxy, which was the most ambitious game in the mainline Mario games with regards to the story. He hated Rosalina, and in no uncertain terms prevented continuing the story from being added in the sequel. To Miyamoto's credit, he considers Sticker Star boring too. Kensuke Tanabe is the one keeping the series in its stagnation. He claims he does it because he wants to be innovative, but there is very little innovation in any game he's made for the series. Oh, and Sticker Star only sold as well as it did because it looked like it would be a return to form for the series with that earlier build we saw. Color Splash's dismal sales are more in line with what the game would have sold if that hadn't been shown to us. The Origami King probably sold ok, but only because it is a Mario game on the Switch.
i agree with you myamoto isn’t the one who ruined the paper mario series although he did have some credit in doing so as if the build was never shown to him the origomi king would have been a return to form and it’s sad as tenobay turned the series into this crap but luckily myamoto is on our side as even he would probably give us a return to form if he was informed about what tenobay is doing with the series and i hate to get him involved but i can’t blame myself for it i hate the modern 3 games because they replaced everything that made me fall in love with paper mario and i’ll continue to use bug fables as a crutch against it until it changes back to the rpg roots
@@JoseViktor4099 yea unfortunately he can’t be given credit for tropical freeze retro studios did that game to add insult to injury tenobay drove them nuts and they replaced him afterwards because he was acting like an ungrateful selfish brat and only cared about himself and during ttyd he wanted to do what he was doing now but was held back by the other developers and this is basically why his ideas are so insane that they held him back and weren’t happy with him during tropical freeze’s development
@@KurumithespiritnightmareOof, if that was the case, we can easily confirm that Miyamoto didn't do anything wrong,nit even in SS development. I mean, he proposed the stuff he proposed because he wanted them to Focus on the gameplay, which I don't disagree. Also that might explain why Tanabe contradicts himself so much in interviews (like he wanting to always wanting to change the gameplay despise CS exists or that he only uses basic Mario enemies when he has no reason to do that) At least in Paper Jam, the developers admited that they had no idea of how to make a good story regarding both universes and thats why It came so simple, but this case? Seems like endless excuses to not make something that is liked to general public, I hope Nintendo itself make measures about this after SMRPG Remake.
The interview implies Miiyamoto was a lot more involved when his role wasn't all that different from the last games. It was probably less hands-on honestly. What I think happened is not so much Miyamoto sticking his hand in the cookie jar, but, Tanabe starting to build up his ego from recent success like Punch-Out and DKCR. He probably was getting the idea that he could design some of the game and he liked Miyamoto's advice and hell Club Nintendo backed him up. He was the one that pushed the Paper aspect really hard. It was clearly a troubled development besides that since the change was in 2010 but the game didn't release until holiday 2012 with another developer (Vanpool) brought in at the last leg.
To be fair even if Paper Mario 3DS wasn't changed for the worst, it still would have released at some point in 2012. Since 1996's Super Mario RPG there has been a Paper Mario game every 4 Years with 1 exception. 2007's Super Paper Mario is the exception & interestingly all Paper Mario Games have been on different systems so far, yet there is a strong chance that the 2024 Game will break that tradition & be on Switch. Paper Mario 2028 will be on Nintendo's next system because the 4 Year Gap is the normal for Paper Mario Games.
i remember waking up early to go to target and get this game on release. such a pure, simpler time. now ive sold the game and just own a prima guide that sucks because it's aesthetically pleasing. the things i'll do for color coding...
Whenever somebody asks me "What's the worst game you've ever played?" my mind always jumps to Sticker Star. Not because it's necessarily the worst I've ever played in terms of quality. I mean I've played Ride to Hell: Retribution. But whenever I think of a bad game, I tend of think more of how much I disliked the game compared to how much I expected to like it...and yeah, Sticker Star is definitely the biggest gap for me there. This video even reminded me of things about the game that I'd genuinely forgotten about and reminded me how disappointed I was with it.
I went into Sticker Star not knowing anything and ended up heavily enjoying it because my expectations were sooooo low after Super Paper Mario (not that I necessarily HATED that game but I mean it’s like buying super smash bros 3 and it’s just straight up a different genre lol). So I had the opposite effect happen to me due to my expectations being low. I liked that the combat was at least somewhat like the original Paper Mario games opposed to just a straight up platformer which is not a genre I’m big on at all.
yea i agree with you i was extremely excited to play sticker star because it looked like it was going to be like paper mario 64 the one that i grew up with only to force myself to beat the game out of pure disappointment and i’ve boycotted the entire newer entries for bug fables because at least it’s still the rpg paper mario game that i loved
@@dontknow3949 i agree with you i hated super paper mario the only classic ones that i liked were 64 and ttyd because at least they still felt like paper mario thank god for bug fables because everything after ttyd Sucked
"If Sticker Star didn't sell as much as it did, I think Paper Mario, as a franchise, would have just died here." ...It DID die here. It's STILL dying, very slowly, and very painfully. The Mario and Luigi series suffered the same fate. I'm not even a huge fan of Paper Mario, but even Bug Fables, an indie game that takes more notes from the first two Paper Mario games than Sticker Star onwards, clearly resonates with the dedicated fans so much more, and that's not by accident either. The fact that even Mario Odyssey, a mainline Mario game, is allowed to have more originality than any Paper Mario game... it just confuses me. I like Odyssey, I really do, but the fact that Nintendo higher ups are especially tone deaf, personally hurts me. I doubt Nintendo's going to listen to it's fans though, so I won't be surprised if at some point, they end up going out the way Sega did. I don't WANT to see that happen, but it eventually will if Nintendo as a company doesn't stop acting like it knows what it's doing, when 98% of the time, it really has no idea at all.
@@zeroxenoverse9251 I wasn't aware of when Sticker Star came out, because I was just into other franchises at the time. In fact, I don't think it was until Arlo started making videos on Color Splash when that was coming out that I caught back up with Paper Mario as a series again. It still bothers me that Sticker Star sold as well as it did, because let's face it, Nintendo had an idea fans would hate the game, and they were right. Shigeru Miyamoto might not be completely at fault for how Sticker Star turned out, but he shouldn't have made the suggestion to just stick with already well known Mario characters in the first place. Again, going back to Bug Fables, which may I remind you was an indie game that took more notes from the first two PM games in that series, just goes to show the people behind that game knew what made PM as a series of RPGs work, and why people loved the first two games so much. Also, don't you think it's... I don't know, confusing, that Nintendo thinks it's just fine for Odyssey to have more original characters in it than any Paper Mario that came out since Sticker Star? It's like, starting with Sticker Star, Nintendo took one step forward, and every OTHER step backwards. In the case of Origami King, I "wanted" to give it a fair chance, but I couldn't do that, knowing it would be stuck with a lot of the same bullshit rules that the company established for the series, all because Sticker Star did it first. Nintendo's higher-up execs clearly didn't understand that their audience doesn't like being lied to. I guess they do understand "sometimes", but I guess because Super Mario Odyssey was a much bigger deal, they thought it made more sense to put a lot of cool creative ideas and characters to make it more interesting. Now, I don't mind that, that's why I really enjoy Odyssey, especially since they went *back* to the Mario 64/Sunshine formula of 3D platforming. There's no reason why the Paper Mario series doesn't deserve that same kind of respect. They know it has a huge fanbase, and once again, Bug Fables was essentially doing everything that the games from Sticker Star up to now *should* have been doing. But, instead, some execs at Nintendo just have their fingers in their ears, going "La la la la la, I don't hear this." The point I'm trying to make is this: Don't fix what's not broken. But, also don't break it either, and then try, and fail, to fix it in a way that no one wants.
@@AkiraStrix94 i agree with you i boycotted origomi king for bug fables as at least it has what made most people including me fall in love with paper mario aka being like ttyd rpg combat system as it’s everything that modern paper Should Have been aka actually evolving the rpg formula that i loved so i’m just gonna be waiting for bug fables 2 from now on because at least it’s still paper mario
in an alternative universe Paper Mario Sticker Star wasn't supervised by Miyamoto and it turned out to be a good game but not as good as the TTYD and 64 but was acceptable.
If someone told me to choose between Sticker Star or the death of Paper Mario as a whole... I'd choose the death of it. It'd at least have ended on a grandiose note in the form of Super. Sticker Star was an absolute chore to play, and with this formula it's just gonna be 10% of actual good stuff for 90% of pointless grinding and pseudo-exploration and poor man's puzzles, every game, without fault, and in an absolutely stale and boring universe. ... god I wish the fate of Mario RPGs weren't in the hands of freaking Rabbids now. '>_>
i agree with you on the paper mario subject thank god for bug fables as at least it’s true spiritual successor to the paper mario that i love, and id rather have the rabbids rpgs fill the rpg void rather than nothing to be honest with you so i’ll take them over nothing any day and sparks of hope is probably my new favorite game of all time now and it’s awesome id definitely recommend it
They should’ve just fucking killed paper Mario. I genuinely don’t understand how they went from ttyd, to super paper Mario, then to sticker star…like fuck rpg gamers right?
I prefer the Paper Mario Rom Hacking Community over that Buggy Ripoff & the Rabbids. Maybe we'll get lucky & the 2024 Paper Mario will be good enough to actually buy & the return to form we waited 2 full decades for?
@@zeroxenoverse9251 Yes. Very much yes. I don't care for their "baby steps". Too little is too little. I don't want another case of Pokemon where it seems like it's moving forward only to take a huge step back at some random threshold again (for Pokemon that's whenever they're on a new console). Baby steps do not cut it. It is no longer a baby, it is a fully grown series that they are treaing like a child.
How differently would Paper Mario have been affected had Sticker Star not done well sales wise or has gotten lower reviews than the rest of the games? Heck how would people have felt towards the games if the restrictions towards character designs didn’t exist. At least the soundtrack is good
Origami king has proven to me that Paper Mario is good. Since I never played the first 3 games, the only one I played was sticker star. So naturally, it was just kinda OK. But I’m glad I played origami king because they are finally understanding how to make a game with this formula.
While I don't like Sticker Star either I honestly have more issues and judge Color Splash and Origami King as sequels more, while SS is debatably the worser title it's pretty clear SS was a product of a messy development cycle explaining why it's like this, CS however while it "fixed" some things they weirdly were ignorant of SS's flaws and those carried over to this game despite even building a new engine (well to me it seems), can't really compliment it or OK from not learning from past mistakes if not doubling down on some and even mocking the criticism
Luckily Miyamoto no longer has that philosophy and is now less rigid with the Mario series these days. This is evident in recent titles such as Super Mario Odyssey
i agree with you as luigies mansion 3 has original characters as well as bowsers fury splatoon 2 octo expansion mario plus rabbids sparks of hope and even the mario and luigi games in bowser jrs journey unfortunately for whatever reason it seems as though intelligent systems just has no intrest in returning to the rpg style which makes paper mario dead in my opinion i boycotted origomi king for bug fables instead because at least it has everything that made paper mario actually good aka rpg mechanics original characters and deep stories and it was so worth me sacrificing origomi king for it i’d do it a billion times over before Ever buying another spinnoff paper mario game aka the sticker star trilogy
I don't get the developer sof Paper Mario. If Pokemon can stick to their turn based format for decades, why can't Paper Mario?? The first 2 installments were awesome!
I've got a loophole for the "no new characters" rule: Make a game reusing all the characters original to the Paper Mario franchise. Do you know just how much I've thought about this? Just imagine a villain like Dimentio comes back from the dead and is the main villain for a new game. That'd be my dream, but it doesn't have to be him. It could be other background villains, like Troopa. Can you imagine TROOPA as a main villain??? That'd be AWESOME. Anyways... That'd never happen, but that's the dream.
Wanna know the worst thing? The demo shown at e3 looks way more interesting and way more better. If it wasn't for nintendo this game could've been good. Nintendo singlehandendly ruined the paper mario series
Back then when Paper Mario Series was great sighs… Nintendo you guys’ll pay for ruining the Paper Mario Series, like cmon seriously the Paper Mario games is supposed to have experience points also furthermore just because Paper Mario has the word paper in its title doesn’t mean that the series should have stickers, and things in these Paper Mario games!!!!! Shigeru Miyamoto great job for ruining the Paper Mario Series we Paper Mario fandoms really appreciate it you stubborn, greedy, no good lying video game developers!!!!!!!!!
Imagine if super smash bros 3 was just literally a different genre lol. I love how we get treated like a joke but the smash bros community is taken so seriously by Nintendo
This was my first paper Mario game. So naturally the best game I have played is Origami king since I don’t have the originals and this game blows. I love the soundtrack tho.
The soundtrack is alright. It takes a jazzy twist, which surprisingly works extremely well at some points, but for the most part, it never really sat well with me.
Just gonna let you know that it's okay to play the other games through emulating or loading it off an SD Card on the Wii. Please don't bother buying "official means" because all discs are destined to suffer "laser rot".
Do you genuinely think this game is bad? Or has its reception rubbed off on you? If you had played this game not knowing what people thought of it, would your opinion be any different?
Yeah, I plan on covering all the Paper Mario games eventually. Just taking a bit of a break from the series for now tho before jumping into Color Splash. :)
i actually loved paper jam as it was a return to form like the first 3 paper mario games bringing back the rpg combat partners and even a deep ass story so i loved paper jam as it was the sequel to the first two games that i was wanting especially after sticker star and color splash which were nothing compared to paper jam hell i flat out Boycotted color splash for paper jam in the end because paper jam was what people like me wanted in paper mario so paper jam was really great and is what paper mario Should Be yknow a god danm rpg seories and not a lame ass action adventure game like wtf paper mario is dead now thanks to nentendo and the only hope we had for paper mario to be actually not dead was from paper jam as it went back to what paper mario was and holy f..k paper jam was awesome
@@promania8956 yea it was way better than just ok paper jam completely obliterated the newer paper mario games for obvious reasons because it went back to what the true fans of paper mario wanted that being making paper mario finally return to form like the seories should do
@@promania8956 They were planning on including Paper Luigi as a playable character, but they thought that controlling four characters was too cumbersome, so they dropped the idea. (He still shows in the Sound Test, though)
Sticker Star still sucks including Color Splash and TOK. It should have ended in TTYD or Super and just left it alone and if it means the end of the Paper Mario then it's for the best and none of this whole conflict would have happened.
it’s mainly because the people who work on paper mario in particular don’t like rpgs and changed paper mario from an rpg to an action adventure game it’s not intelligent systems it’s the people behind paper mario that hate the original 3 games
I mean apparently a Nintendo club survey said most people didn't care much about the story. That's probably the main reason it didn't have a good one. Miyamoto's words were more suggestions than orders tho
So I don't wanna defend this game but acquiring the thing within the level it's used in would in my opinion be worse since you need to convert them into stickers. Finding it and knowing where to use it but still needing to return to Decalburg to turn it into something usable would be just as annoying as what they went with in the final game. Solution is to just not play Sticker Star. It's the only Paper Mario game that really doesn't have any real redeeming qualities, at least not gameplay wise.
When I first arrived in that room full of trash in that jungle level, it NEVER crossed my mind that I needed the Goat thing sticker to solve it. I somehow just bruteforced through that puzzle. I am not making this up.
I love Paper Mario: Sticker Star, but I understand that people don't have to like game. If you don't like the game, that's totally fine and I will respect your opinion. Edit: I just subscribed to your channel.
i heard theres this game called bug fables the everlasting sapling thats pretty much a game designed after the old paper mario games i don't know wich one the game is most like haven't played it
yea your right bug fables the everlasting sapling is basically ttyd 2 and was Very similar with the rpg elements original characters and deep story like the first 3 paper mario games and i boycotted the paper mario the origomi king for bug fables as the origomi king Sucks because it’s not an rpg like the first 3 paper mario games at least bug fables has everything that made paper mario actually good as of now paper mario has been Dead since sticker star
I'm sick of hearing about that Paper Mario Rip Off, it's no replacement for the True Paper Mario Trilogy! Now if you excuse me I'm going back to watching the Paper Mario Romhack Community, which would be in a better place now if Bug Fables didn't divert attention & resources away from it.
@@WaterKirby1994 Damn you're bitter can't you at least respect they're effort in trying to make something the fans will like and has been asking for years. Sure you might not like it but lets get two things straight 1 Bugfables is not a ripoff its a original game in the style of a old classic. And 2 so what if alot of the room hacking community chooses to embrace and spend time with Bugfables stop complaining and make you're own paper Mario roomhacks instead.
So basically its Miyamoto's fault that Sticker Star ended up sucking and that we so far have not gotten another Paper Mario RPG style game ? Did he not see the reviews for Paper Mario and Thoundsand Year Door ? I am at least willing to give Super Paper Mario another chance since I heard it actually has a good story. My first impression on it was not that great mostly cause I was disappointed it had no RPG style to it. So why would Miyamoto hate RPG Paper Mario ? Why would he call it boring ? If more Paper Mario Games were like Thounsand Year Door it would make more fans happy. Why is he so against having a story or original characters with unique personalities ? Is he trying ot make it more like the main Mario games ? What made Paper Mario special is that it was an RPG that had a great story and great original characters and the battles were not boring at all. I too was looking foward to Sticker Star but when I actually played it....Yeah That game was boring. So what the hell was Miyamoto thinking? Plus almost around the same time on Smash Bros 4 he had a fit about how Brawl had its cutscenes leaked and demanded that no story in Smash should exist cause of that. Thankfully that was fixed on Ultimate. Yeah. I do respect Miyamoto since he is the reason why NIntendo exists but sometimes I really don't like some of the choices he has made. Like having Illumination make the Mario Movie. Yeah. I ain't really too excited over The excitment died down once I saw the cast and the fact that they are taking away Mario's accent as if it would be bad for him to have an itialien accent. Nintendo has thannkfully made more good games then bad games but still. As a company they make some...Questionable choices and the fact that they will attack anyone who they think is stealing from them.
@@zeroxenoverse9251 But people to this day are still asking for Paper Mario to be in RPG game again and to also have more story like the first 2 games but still. It seems that falls into deaf ears.
@@MewtwoShadowFNaFGirl yea and bug fables is literally paper mario 3 if you want an rpg style paper mario game like ttyd with a bad ass threatening villain deep stories and the battle system of ttyd but even better play bug fables it’s everything i wanted in a true sequel to ttyd
Paper Mario was released in 2000 as Mario Story to Japan, not 2001 it's part of the 4 Year Cycle for Each Paper Mario Game that was only ever broken by Super Paper Mario coming out in 2007 instead of 2008. 1996 was Super Mario RPG for SNES which was essentially Paper Mario Zero released 4 Years before the 1st Actual Game & so far each have been on a different system. I'm expecting that the trend that lasted 7 games of 1 per system will end this decade whether it being the 2024 Paper Mario for Switch or in the possibility it is an early title for Nintendo's next hardware the 2028 Paper Mario Game will most certainly be for that expected next hardware. SNES 1996, N64 2000, & GameCube 2004 were the evolution of the Paper Mario RPG Formula. Wii 2007's Super Paper Mario was a unique experience as a platformer with Pixels serving as partners. I believe that the massive scope of it & how drastically different it was from your typical Mario Game inspired the mandates of the 2010s Paper Mario Trilogy. 3DS 2012's Sticker Star was easily the worst game in the series, & most fans would have preferred Portable Thousand Year Door with differences. At there was clear improvement with each sequel as seen with Wii U 2016's Color Splash & Switch 2020's Origami King. We're still asking if the 2010s direction for Paper Mario will break just enough so that the 2024 game will be able to have Upgradeable Partners & a Level System like we got 20 Years earlier. Goombella had so much personality & really it would be awesome to see her playable in more Mario Games like Mario Kart. Since before the days of Brawl there have been people begging for Geno in Smash, there is clear fan demand to see more of the partners we got long ago, just as there is demand to get new partners added to the Mario Universe. I'm not interested in the substitutes & while I don't have much time to play games these days I would like to see Paper Mario return to form someday, because there really is no true substitution.
11:58 “You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things."
Interesting this was never brought up, but ironically, Miyamoto was unimpressed with the final product, calling it worse than what he played before. So, they threw in the "things" to try to spice it up a bit. Goes to show that even he noticed something wasn't right about it. I'm a bit late to the party here, but I am glad this isn't the end of the story. The TTYD remake coming out shows us hope!
Not hard to figure out. Nintendo considered 2nd parties, as outsiders stealing the spotlight. Miyamoto is a jealous little manchild, so he deliberately hurt second parties, once Iwata took the helm.
The obsessive redesigning to please the most famous guy in the company has really been undermining the good will nintendo had over the past decade; yeah he should be respected for launching and solidifying the platformer genre, but that shouldn't mean they need to abandon every other design philosophy just to suck up to him. Do the developers consider it illegal or something to apply common sense when it goes against the executives' decisions, the occasional blatant mistakes like these make me wonder.
When one person can tell the other "you're fired", it's unlikely that the second person will be able to object to the harebrained schemes of the first.
i like this game on it's own honestly. the only other game in the series is 64 and it's way better, but this game is fine to me on it's own and doesn't deserve ALL the hate it gets as a paper mario game.
Came to this video to remember why this game was so bad and you kinda sorta missed the worst part about this game that I remember and that’s that because stuckers are single-use and you pluck most of them out of the world if you don’t want to spend money, you spend, collectively, hours going back to places you don’t want to go back to and unsticking stickers that has a short animation every time you do it and, by the time you’re done with the game, you want to end the world.
16:28 Didn’t the game sell more because the 3DS was a fairly new and high selling system. On top of the fact that the original Paper Mario was released towards the near end of the N64’s life span, and that the GameCube was one of Nintendo’s worst selling systems (just not as bad as the Wii U).
@@ForrestFox626 thsts an opinion, the game works, looks good, sounds good. When I played this fir the first time years ago, I had the time of my life. No I can see why people dont like it, but that doesnt mean it's a bad game, bad GB games have a lot of awful things to them. This games "critics'only dont like it cause it's not there cup of tea
This game is so underated people just hate it because it is the game they point at as the beginning of the bad paper Mario's and that's true but I would say this game is better than origami king the worst of all of them and it's better than color splash to I just want them to go back to Paper Mario the thousand year door and make a direct sequel to that back when Paper Mario was good I would love to see them go back to the rpg roots with all the partner characters I loved the first two games just make a new Paper Mario that's like the first two this game is still not all that bad I liked sticker star and I don't care what anyone thinks or who knows it lol
yea with the gameplay i can definitely see where you’re coming from but at least it’s still an rpg and has the original characters and the deep story so technically it’s way better than sticker star because it still feels like paper mario
Miyamoto is a strange one, I just learned recently that the Twilight Princess Dev team were actually planning on making a Majora's style sequel to it probably reusing assets but until Miyamoto walked in and told them no and work on Link's Crossbow Training instead, this situation is bizarrely similar to what happened to Sticker Star. They had a different project in mind but had to change it just because he came in and said so and a way worse/less fun idea came off it
It’s stories like this that kinda make me hate the man
I remember the original Paper Mario 3DS trailers showing a traditional battle with a chain chomp partner. So sad to imagine what we could have had...
well no wonder every single zelda game after majoras mask Sucked it’s simply because they never made a true sequel to it with the elements of that game making a return basically going back to what made zelda such as beloved for me as a kid as i’ve hated every supposed game that came majoras mask and never been able to top that game even though it’s been over 20 years it’s a damn shame too as majoras mask was my favorite in the entire zelda franchise and still is to this day same with ttyd for paper mario as they’ve never been able to top it because they never made a true sequel to it which sucks 😢😢😢
@@Joker22593 i agree with you it pisses me off that we’ll never get another true paper mario game like ttyd again this is myomoto’s fault as i boycotted modern paper mario for bug fables instead because at least bug fables is still paper mario 😢
TP is my favorite but honestly a Majora's mask sequel could have been amazing. He's just too narcissistic to have anything outside his vision honestly seems to happen a lot in a artistic industries. Miyamoto in particular is too anal about being different he seems to fail to realize that he's developing video game SERIES and that some level of similarity is going to happen. The lack of a story for an rpg being fine to him really shows that he didn't have any idea why people liked paper Mario.
Watching this series descend into paper gimmicks is like watching a car run over a deer in slow motion
LOL! TRUE!
but its called paper mario for a reason theres gotta be fucking paper stuff otherwise it would just be a mario rpg
@@jknifgijdfui I guess you don't understand the difference between paper mechanics and art style vs. "descending into paper gimmicks".
@@spriles well why have the game be paper and do nothing with it
@@jknifgijdfui so I guess you really can't tell the difference between paper mechanics and art style vs. descending into paper gimmicks. Wow.
I feel like the paper aesthetic that takes hold in the newer Paper Mario games _could_ work. It would be a nice scrapbook/storybook feel. Of course, that doesn't mean I want the bosses to be office supplies.
frfr, as much as i love Tape he's LITERALLY just a roll of tape and thats kinda hard to make into fanart sometimes hahah
honestly, I feel like it actually did work. Sticker Star had a lot of diorama-esque elements in the background like the UI being held up by little straws and Color Splash definitely tried to play with the idea a bit more, especially with areas like Sacred Woods
New remake looks beautiful
I miss when Nintendo took risks
They still do sometimes.
You do realise Nintendo isn’t just a single entity it’s multiple development teams working on different projects,
@@quangamershyguyyz7166yea but not with paper mario at least since super
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare it was just Miyamoto having his head up his ass. Honestly it seems like not VG developers end up developing some form of narcissism and try to outdo themselves to a point of being ridiculous. It almost happened with metal gear and it happened here. The more people succeed they more they tend to sick themselves.
@@nickcarballo6039 i didn’t realize it almost happened with metal gear too it’s a good thing it didn’t and yea that’s true the more they succeed the more they might get a big head about stuff
The weird thing is that Super Mario Mario remains the best-selling Paper Mario game. By Nintendo's bizarre "logic," the series should've become more like that. I'm honestly under the impression that Miyamoto and other higher-ups didn't like how different Paper Mario was, how it took risks, and how it had deeper, darker, and more involved storytelling than anything else in the Mario series... you know, all the things we old fans loved about those games.
but that doesn’t make any sense now look at mario party luigies mansion 3 and sparks of hope if they were really intending on crushing any hopes and dreams of the spinoff games like paper mario overrun the mainline games they would have hogtied the other games and kept them just as restricted as modern paper mario it just doesn’t fit right because these other games disproved them trying to hogtie other developers into making the uninspired crap during the wii u era i don’t get where people get this idea that they don’t let their other developers create new content as it’s been proven false many times now by the games i mentioned above
Paper Mario 64's design/characters was seen as an appropriate level of "Mario-ish" by Nintendo Execs.
Paper Mario TTYD was seen as not "Mario-ish" but nevertheless they let it go.
Super Paper Mario made Nintendo Execs freak out, thinking the series went to far away from Mario lore....
I have a theory that Nintendo was so embarrassed by Super Paper Mario's plot and world being in a Mario game and it being the first Mario game for Wii and selling millions of units that they wanted to reboot the franchise. Let's be honest, if the series continued in the direction that Super Paper Mario set, story-wise, it would start to not be a Mario game anymore. However, I don't think that's a bad thing because Paper Mario forming an identity and world that transcends what we have seen in any Mario game would actually be really grand!
the fact that Mario galaxy continued this idea is so fucking funny
@@wool578 One of the best aspects of Mario Galaxy story-wise is Rosalina's backstory. It was totally optional and missable, but it was great. The reason it was great is because it was 100% out of Miyamoto's grimy little hands and basically snuck in to the game without his knowledge. He was angry and personally made sure that anything like that was not present in Mario Galaxy 2. And it sucks that I feel like the need to talk about Miyamoto like this, but he's basically the George Lucas of video games at this point. He's in many ways a brilliant visionary, but he needs people around him to reject his bad ideas and say "no" to him all the time or else we get games like Paper Mario Sticker Star or Star Fox Zero.
@@RegalPixelKing miyamoto has lost true innovations and sees it as just making a game different. He's lost his touch and with out Nintendo supervising I'm sure he'd have flopped a while ago. It's the reason why there's no such thing as a true genius. Some people have genius ideas and sometimes they get on streak but eventually everyone falls into mediocrity or worse without some luck and honest self evaluation. Narcissism is the death of most artists.
The combat and exploration factors are more important than the story sticker star dose this greatly
@@benferris2764 no. just no.
mario & luigi dream team sold more than sticker star what a relief
And sadly IT was the last new M&L game. Sticker Star WASN'T.
@@Portersona69420 New actually paper jam was the last original
yea at least mario and luigi dream team was still a true mario and luigi game unlike sticker star which isn’t a true paper mario game thanks nentendo for killing paper mario as it’s an rpg not a lame ass action adventure game
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare honestly I dont really care about gameplay in paper mario by all means if you have a new idea go nuts thats why super is my favorite if the gameplay is competent then im ok with it I actually care more about the characters and the story which every paper mario game after super had a disappointing incompetent story
@@user-bb2op9he1x i honestly just want the gameplay to be like the thousand year door and i honestly hated super paper mario too as the story sucked and it wasn’t exactly like the thousand year door we haven’t had a true paper mario game in almost 2 Decades thanks for killing paper mario nentendo your gonna die just like sega died ages ago because almost no one cares about the roots of mario anymore it’s all about the rpgs now a days and since they aren’t doing that mario is basically going to die really soon which sucks 😤
One thing that bugged me about the game was how extremely apprehensive and secretive Nintendo seemingly was about gameplay trailers for this game before 2012. These are hard to find on UA-cam nowadays but there use to be off screen footage of earlier trailers to this game that were playing on 3DS kiosks in several different events between E3 2010 and E3 2011. Also before the game officially came out they had a demo of this game at New York Comic Con 2012 and there was one channel that uploaded gameplay and Nintendo DMCA those videos as well. It's as if they had something to hide regarding this game.
What was the channel?
@@J05UA-cam it's been 8 and a half years so I don't remember. Like I said the original upload was taken down days after they posted it anyways. I'd like to say "Nintendo World Report" was the channel name since they use to do off screen recordings of game demos at the time but I'm not sure if it was them.
@@PipeGuy64Bit I was about 15 or 16 at the time these images and videos were circulated, and I 100% agree, they made it seem like this was a return to form, and the return of the traditional rpg mario, it wasn't until most of us bought this game that we realized it was too late. I hate this game so much.
@@MomoKunDaYoi agree with you i got baited by sticker star too as i think that’s the big reason why it outsold ttyd it’s because people thought it was like ttyd only to regret the purchase afterwards i grew up with 64 and always wanted a game that evolved the formula and i was ecstatic to play sticker star thinking it was going to be a return to form only to force myself to beat the game out of frustration thank god paper mario 64 was re released on switch as the series was dead since ttyd and it’s staying that way until we get a true rpg paper mario game again
What's frustrating is that people try to defend Miyamoto's disdain for stories by taking various quotes out of context. He said he wants games to be more ambitious, but that was said about Super Mario Galaxy, which was the most ambitious game in the mainline Mario games with regards to the story. He hated Rosalina, and in no uncertain terms prevented continuing the story from being added in the sequel. To Miyamoto's credit, he considers Sticker Star boring too. Kensuke Tanabe is the one keeping the series in its stagnation. He claims he does it because he wants to be innovative, but there is very little innovation in any game he's made for the series. Oh, and Sticker Star only sold as well as it did because it looked like it would be a return to form for the series with that earlier build we saw. Color Splash's dismal sales are more in line with what the game would have sold if that hadn't been shown to us. The Origami King probably sold ok, but only because it is a Mario game on the Switch.
i agree with you myamoto isn’t the one who ruined the paper mario series although he did have some credit in doing so as if the build was never shown to him the origomi king would have been a return to form and it’s sad as tenobay turned the series into this crap but luckily myamoto is on our side as even he would probably give us a return to form if he was informed about what tenobay is doing with the series and i hate to get him involved but i can’t blame myself for it i hate the modern 3 games because they replaced everything that made me fall in love with paper mario and i’ll continue to use bug fables as a crutch against it until it changes back to the rpg roots
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare If I could punch Tanabe in his puny, lying, and scummy eyes, I would!
Tanabe is a extremely weird case.
He can produce masterpieces like Tropical Freeze and help to develop TTYD, yet sometimes he does this garbage.
@@JoseViktor4099 yea unfortunately he can’t be given credit for tropical freeze retro studios did that game to add insult to injury tenobay drove them nuts and they replaced him afterwards because he was acting like an ungrateful selfish brat and only cared about himself and during ttyd he wanted to do what he was doing now but was held back by the other developers and this is basically why his ideas are so insane that they held him back and weren’t happy with him during tropical freeze’s development
@@KurumithespiritnightmareOof, if that was the case, we can easily confirm that Miyamoto didn't do anything wrong,nit even in SS development. I mean, he proposed the stuff he proposed because he wanted them to Focus on the gameplay, which I don't disagree.
Also that might explain why Tanabe contradicts himself so much in interviews (like he wanting to always wanting to change the gameplay despise CS exists or that he only uses basic Mario enemies when he has no reason to do that)
At least in Paper Jam, the developers admited that they had no idea of how to make a good story regarding both universes and thats why It came so simple, but this case?
Seems like endless excuses to not make something that is liked to general public, I hope Nintendo itself make measures about this after SMRPG Remake.
The interview implies Miiyamoto was a lot more involved when his role wasn't all that different from the last games. It was probably less hands-on honestly. What I think happened is not so much Miyamoto sticking his hand in the cookie jar, but, Tanabe starting to build up his ego from recent success like Punch-Out and DKCR. He probably was getting the idea that he could design some of the game and he liked Miyamoto's advice and hell Club Nintendo backed him up. He was the one that pushed the Paper aspect really hard. It was clearly a troubled development besides that since the change was in 2010 but the game didn't release until holiday 2012 with another developer (Vanpool) brought in at the last leg.
To be fair even if Paper Mario 3DS wasn't changed for the worst, it still would have released at some point in 2012. Since 1996's Super Mario RPG there has been a Paper Mario game every 4 Years with 1 exception. 2007's Super Paper Mario is the exception & interestingly all Paper Mario Games have been on different systems so far, yet there is a strong chance that the 2024 Game will break that tradition & be on Switch. Paper Mario 2028 will be on Nintendo's next system because the 4 Year Gap is the normal for Paper Mario Games.
Hey look a remake of A Thousand Year Door
Everybody for the love of god please buy it
"Give it a Game or two and it could work"
And so it *didn't*
The Origami King DID work......for the most part.
Origami King was alright honestly, it actually felt like Nintendo let the dev team make something somewhat original for once.
@@Rediscool9 Origami King did not work.
i remember waking up early to go to target and get this game on release. such a pure, simpler time. now ive sold the game and just own a prima guide that sucks because it's aesthetically pleasing. the things i'll do for color coding...
Whenever somebody asks me "What's the worst game you've ever played?" my mind always jumps to Sticker Star. Not because it's necessarily the worst I've ever played in terms of quality. I mean I've played Ride to Hell: Retribution. But whenever I think of a bad game, I tend of think more of how much I disliked the game compared to how much I expected to like it...and yeah, Sticker Star is definitely the biggest gap for me there. This video even reminded me of things about the game that I'd genuinely forgotten about and reminded me how disappointed I was with it.
That sucks, at least we had the Mario & Luigi games... back then.
I went into Sticker Star not knowing anything and ended up heavily enjoying it because my expectations were sooooo low after Super Paper Mario (not that I necessarily HATED that game but I mean it’s like buying super smash bros 3 and it’s just straight up a different genre lol). So I had the opposite effect happen to me due to my expectations being low. I liked that the combat was at least somewhat like the original Paper Mario games opposed to just a straight up platformer which is not a genre I’m big on at all.
yea i agree with you i was extremely excited to play sticker star because it looked like it was going to be like paper mario 64 the one that i grew up with only to force myself to beat the game out of pure disappointment and i’ve boycotted the entire newer entries for bug fables because at least it’s still the rpg paper mario game that i loved
@@dontknow3949 i agree with you i hated super paper mario the only classic ones that i liked were 64 and ttyd because at least they still felt like paper mario thank god for bug fables because everything after ttyd Sucked
Losing Paper Mario was not worth getting brain age and getting a fire emblem card game
"If Sticker Star didn't sell as much as it did, I think Paper Mario, as a franchise, would have just died here."
...It DID die here. It's STILL dying, very slowly, and very painfully. The Mario and Luigi series suffered the same fate.
I'm not even a huge fan of Paper Mario, but even Bug Fables, an indie game that takes more notes from the first two Paper Mario games than Sticker Star onwards, clearly resonates with the dedicated fans so much more, and that's not by accident either. The fact that even Mario Odyssey, a mainline Mario game, is allowed to have more originality than any Paper Mario game... it just confuses me. I like Odyssey, I really do, but the fact that Nintendo higher ups are especially tone deaf, personally hurts me.
I doubt Nintendo's going to listen to it's fans though, so I won't be surprised if at some point, they end up going out the way Sega did. I don't WANT to see that happen, but it eventually will if Nintendo as a company doesn't stop acting like it knows what it's doing, when 98% of the time, it really has no idea at all.
Not even Color Splash and Origami King? Even though Sticker Star and Origami King didn't put koopalings in both of them.
@@zeroxenoverse9251 I wasn't aware of when Sticker Star came out, because I was just into other franchises at the time. In fact, I don't think it was until Arlo started making videos on Color Splash when that was coming out that I caught back up with Paper Mario as a series again. It still bothers me that Sticker Star sold as well as it did, because let's face it, Nintendo had an idea fans would hate the game, and they were right. Shigeru Miyamoto might not be completely at fault for how Sticker Star turned out, but he shouldn't have made the suggestion to just stick with already well known Mario characters in the first place. Again, going back to Bug Fables, which may I remind you was an indie game that took more notes from the first two PM games in that series, just goes to show the people behind that game knew what made PM as a series of RPGs work, and why people loved the first two games so much.
Also, don't you think it's... I don't know, confusing, that Nintendo thinks it's just fine for Odyssey to have more original characters in it than any Paper Mario that came out since Sticker Star? It's like, starting with Sticker Star, Nintendo took one step forward, and every OTHER step backwards. In the case of Origami King, I "wanted" to give it a fair chance, but I couldn't do that, knowing it would be stuck with a lot of the same bullshit rules that the company established for the series, all because Sticker Star did it first. Nintendo's higher-up execs clearly didn't understand that their audience doesn't like being lied to. I guess they do understand "sometimes", but I guess because Super Mario Odyssey was a much bigger deal, they thought it made more sense to put a lot of cool creative ideas and characters to make it more interesting. Now, I don't mind that, that's why I really enjoy Odyssey, especially since they went *back* to the Mario 64/Sunshine formula of 3D platforming. There's no reason why the Paper Mario series doesn't deserve that same kind of respect. They know it has a huge fanbase, and once again, Bug Fables was essentially doing everything that the games from Sticker Star up to now *should* have been doing.
But, instead, some execs at Nintendo just have their fingers in their ears, going "La la la la la, I don't hear this." The point I'm trying to make is this: Don't fix what's not broken. But, also don't break it either, and then try, and fail, to fix it in a way that no one wants.
@@AkiraStrix94 i agree with you i boycotted origomi king for bug fables as at least it has what made most people including me fall in love with paper mario aka being like ttyd rpg combat system as it’s everything that modern paper Should Have been aka actually evolving the rpg formula that i loved so i’m just gonna be waiting for bug fables 2 from now on because at least it’s still paper mario
Look at the bright side, Mario RPG remake has the posibility to make Paper Mario great again.
Miyamoto should retire he passed his prime years ago
Miyamoto is making game dev tutorials while not realizing how many mistakes he's making
even galaxy 2 have original species
in an alternative universe Paper Mario Sticker Star wasn't supervised by Miyamoto and it turned out to be a good game but not as good as the TTYD and 64 but was acceptable.
If someone told me to choose between Sticker Star or the death of Paper Mario as a whole... I'd choose the death of it. It'd at least have ended on a grandiose note in the form of Super.
Sticker Star was an absolute chore to play, and with this formula it's just gonna be 10% of actual good stuff for 90% of pointless grinding and pseudo-exploration and poor man's puzzles, every game, without fault, and in an absolutely stale and boring universe.
... god I wish the fate of Mario RPGs weren't in the hands of freaking Rabbids now. '>_>
i agree with you on the paper mario subject thank god for bug fables as at least it’s true spiritual successor to the paper mario that i love, and id rather have the rabbids rpgs fill the rpg void rather than nothing to be honest with you so i’ll take them over nothing any day and sparks of hope is probably my new favorite game of all time now and it’s awesome id definitely recommend it
They should’ve just fucking killed paper Mario. I genuinely don’t understand how they went from ttyd, to super paper Mario, then to sticker star…like fuck rpg gamers right?
I prefer the Paper Mario Rom Hacking Community over that Buggy Ripoff & the Rabbids. Maybe we'll get lucky & the 2024 Paper Mario will be good enough to actually buy & the return to form we waited 2 full decades for?
Not even CS and OGK?
@@zeroxenoverse9251 Yes. Very much yes.
I don't care for their "baby steps". Too little is too little. I don't want another case of Pokemon where it seems like it's moving forward only to take a huge step back at some random threshold again (for Pokemon that's whenever they're on a new console).
Baby steps do not cut it. It is no longer a baby, it is a fully grown series that they are treaing like a child.
Nintendo: we can't just make another ttyd, the series needs to evolve
Bug Fables: **releases**
Nintendo: oh... We'll just pretend we didn't see that
Which is ironic because Sticker Star, Color Splash and Origami King are less creative than TTYD.
@@retrofan4963agreed
Let's go, random Bug Fables fan!
That game's so freaking good.
@@Squib-kb2tn yea it’s literally paper mario 3
Also Nintendo: **makes another sticker star**
How differently would Paper Mario have been affected had Sticker Star not done well sales wise or has gotten lower reviews than the rest of the games?
Heck how would people have felt towards the games if the restrictions towards character designs didn’t exist.
At least the soundtrack is good
Origami king has proven to me that Paper Mario is good. Since I never played the first 3 games, the only one I played was sticker star. So naturally, it was just kinda OK. But I’m glad I played origami king because they are finally understanding how to make a game with this formula.
The same producer greenlit Federation Force. Color Splash would have been roughly the same regardless
Would have been better if Sticker Star never existed.
@@PlymouthActivist4Justice Or if the formula didn't change.
Simple , because it took away the deep story and replaced with a typical Mario plot .
I wouldn't of even minded a smaller story if battling was worth a damn
Yeah but hey at least one thing is that they gave the bosses backstories unlike Color Splash.
He swears so much now and it makes his jokes even funnier
No
yea it really does make them funnier
Lmfao fr
"Nintendo is a company that's pretty well known for their consistent level of quality"
You guys wanna tell him? Or should I?
Ah! Live action hands!
While I don't like Sticker Star either I honestly have more issues and judge Color Splash and Origami King as sequels more, while SS is debatably the worser title it's pretty clear SS was a product of a messy development cycle explaining why it's like this, CS however while it "fixed" some things they weirdly were ignorant of SS's flaws and those carried over to this game despite even building a new engine (well to me it seems), can't really compliment it or OK from not learning from past mistakes if not doubling down on some and even mocking the criticism
Luckily Miyamoto no longer has that philosophy and is now less rigid with the Mario series these days. This is evident in recent titles such as Super Mario Odyssey
i agree with you as luigies mansion 3 has original characters as well as bowsers fury splatoon 2 octo expansion mario plus rabbids sparks of hope and even the mario and luigi games in bowser jrs journey unfortunately for whatever reason it seems as though intelligent systems just has no intrest in returning to the rpg style which makes paper mario dead in my opinion i boycotted origomi king for bug fables instead because at least it has everything that made paper mario actually good aka rpg mechanics original characters and deep stories and it was so worth me sacrificing origomi king for it i’d do it a billion times over before Ever buying another spinnoff paper mario game aka the sticker star trilogy
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare There's a reason for that: TANABE. Seriously, he just cannot accept Miyamoto fundamentally doesn't understand RPGs.
Yeah, Miyamoto's philosophy just doesn't seem to work on RPGs. That, and maybe he's just not much of an RPG guy anyway.
I don't get the developer sof Paper Mario. If Pokemon can stick to their turn based format for decades, why can't Paper Mario?? The first 2 installments were awesome!
I've got a loophole for the "no new characters" rule: Make a game reusing all the characters original to the Paper Mario franchise.
Do you know just how much I've thought about this? Just imagine a villain like Dimentio comes back from the dead and is the main villain for a new game. That'd be my dream, but it doesn't have to be him. It could be other background villains, like Troopa. Can you imagine TROOPA as a main villain??? That'd be AWESOME.
Anyways... That'd never happen, but that's the dream.
I've been dying to see the Koopa Bros and Tubba Blubba return in any capacity in a future Paper Mario title
Wanna know the worst thing?
The demo shown at e3 looks way more interesting and way more better. If it wasn't for nintendo this game could've been good.
Nintendo singlehandendly ruined the paper mario series
When you showed us Kensuke Tanabe I literally gave him the middle finger.
You need help. 💀💀💀
It’s always a highlight when you upload
Back then when Paper Mario Series was great sighs… Nintendo you guys’ll pay for ruining the Paper Mario Series, like cmon seriously the Paper Mario games is supposed to have experience points also furthermore just because Paper Mario has the word paper in its title doesn’t mean that the series should have stickers, and things in these Paper Mario games!!!!! Shigeru Miyamoto great job for ruining the Paper Mario Series we Paper Mario fandoms really appreciate it you stubborn, greedy, no good lying video game developers!!!!!!!!!
This comment bruh💀💀💀💀💀
Not just stickers, also paint and Origami stuff.
TOK was a pretty good one, but SS and CS were trash!
Imagine if super smash bros 3 was just literally a different genre lol. I love how we get treated like a joke but the smash bros community is taken so seriously by Nintendo
So basically Miyamoto ruined this game
Gwumpy wimpy Miyamoto😂😂😂😂😂😂
We live in the worst time line imagine if we got the e3 build as the base what could have been
Satoru Iwata is rolling in his grave way to go ruining his idea Miyamoto!!!
This was my first paper Mario game. So naturally the best game I have played is Origami king since I don’t have the originals and this game blows.
I love the soundtrack tho.
The soundtrack is alright. It takes a jazzy twist, which surprisingly works extremely well at some points, but for the most part, it never really sat well with me.
Just gonna let you know that it's okay to play the other games through emulating or loading it off an SD Card on the Wii. Please don't bother buying "official means" because all discs are destined to suffer "laser rot".
Do you genuinely think this game is bad? Or has its reception rubbed off on you? If you had played this game not knowing what people thought of it, would your opinion be any different?
@@J05UA-cam I remember liking it a little bit on my first play through. But when I went back it just was not as good as I remembered.
we could have gotten A CHAIN CHOMP PARTNER!
A CHAIN CHOMP PARTNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
I always wonder how much Miyamoto is really to blame for the downfall.
Will you take a look at colour splash and the oragami king? And maybe paper jam bros.
Yeah, I plan on covering all the Paper Mario games eventually. Just taking a bit of a break from the series for now tho before jumping into Color Splash. :)
i actually loved paper jam as it was a return to form like the first 3 paper mario games bringing back the rpg combat partners and even a deep ass story so i loved paper jam as it was the sequel to the first two games that i was wanting especially after sticker star and color splash which were nothing compared to paper jam hell i flat out Boycotted color splash for paper jam in the end because paper jam was what people like me wanted in paper mario so paper jam was really great and is what paper mario Should Be yknow a god danm rpg seories and not a lame ass action adventure game like wtf paper mario is dead now thanks to nentendo and the only hope we had for paper mario to be actually not dead was from paper jam as it went back to what paper mario was and holy f..k paper jam was awesome
@@Kurumithespiritnightmare ive heard its okay. Weird they didn't have paper luigi if they would it would have been 4 characters like partners in time
@@promania8956 yea it was way better than just ok paper jam completely obliterated the newer paper mario games for obvious reasons because it went back to what the true fans of paper mario wanted that being making paper mario finally return to form like the seories should do
@@promania8956 They were planning on including Paper Luigi as a playable character, but they thought that controlling four characters was too cumbersome, so they dropped the idea. (He still shows in the Sound Test, though)
I already know this channel is underrated
Sticker Star still sucks including Color Splash and TOK. It should have ended in TTYD or Super and just left it alone and if it means the end of the Paper Mario then it's for the best and none of this whole conflict would have happened.
I just don’t understand how Intelligent Systems who have made some AMAZING JRPGS Like Fire Emblem could look at this and say “yeah this is acceptable”
it’s mainly because the people who work on paper mario in particular don’t like rpgs and changed paper mario from an rpg to an action adventure game it’s not intelligent systems it’s the people behind paper mario that hate the original 3 games
this guy. THIS guy. i mean, who prints out a "disappointment" contract just to set up as a quick gag....
this guy. good stuff my guy.
I mean apparently a Nintendo club survey said most people didn't care much about the story. That's probably the main reason it didn't have a good one. Miyamoto's words were more suggestions than orders tho
This gives me Scott the Woz vibes.
This video was great!
So I don't wanna defend this game but acquiring the thing within the level it's used in would in my opinion be worse since you need to convert them into stickers. Finding it and knowing where to use it but still needing to return to Decalburg to turn it into something usable would be just as annoying as what they went with in the final game. Solution is to just not play Sticker Star. It's the only Paper Mario game that really doesn't have any real redeeming qualities, at least not gameplay wise.
When I first arrived in that room full of trash in that jungle level, it NEVER crossed my mind that I needed the Goat thing sticker to solve it. I somehow just bruteforced through that puzzle. I am not making this up.
BOOTLEG SCOTT THE WOZ!!!!!!!
just kidding man, I love your videos man, you should keep talking about Nintendo’s Stinkers in the future I’d be down !
I love the fact that you changed the title for no reason
Edit: wait he actually put the old title ok
I love Paper Mario: Sticker Star, but I understand that people don't have to like game. If you don't like the game, that's totally fine and I will respect your opinion.
Edit: I just subscribed to your channel.
I can't believe you have not even 7000 subs. You deserve so much more for such high quality videos :)
He has 8k now
i heard theres this game called bug fables the everlasting sapling thats pretty much a game designed after the old paper mario games i don't know wich one the game is most like haven't played it
yea your right bug fables the everlasting sapling is basically ttyd 2 and was Very similar with the rpg elements original characters and deep story like the first 3 paper mario games and i boycotted the paper mario the origomi king for bug fables as the origomi king Sucks because it’s not an rpg like the first 3 paper mario games at least bug fables has everything that made paper mario actually good as of now paper mario has been Dead since sticker star
I'm sick of hearing about that Paper Mario Rip Off, it's no replacement for the True Paper Mario Trilogy! Now if you excuse me I'm going back to watching the Paper Mario Romhack Community, which would be in a better place now if Bug Fables didn't divert attention & resources away from it.
@@WaterKirby1994 Damn you're bitter can't you at least respect they're effort in trying to make something the fans will like and has been asking for years. Sure you might not like it but lets get two things straight 1 Bugfables is not a ripoff its a original game in the style of a old classic. And 2 so what if alot of the room hacking community chooses to embrace and spend time with Bugfables stop complaining and make you're own paper Mario roomhacks instead.
So basically its Miyamoto's fault that Sticker Star ended up sucking and that we so far have not gotten another Paper Mario RPG style game ? Did he not see the reviews for Paper Mario and Thoundsand Year Door ? I am at least willing to give Super Paper Mario another chance since I heard it actually has a good story. My first impression on it was not that great mostly cause I was disappointed it had no RPG style to it. So why would Miyamoto hate RPG Paper Mario ? Why would he call it boring ? If more Paper Mario Games were like Thounsand Year Door it would make more fans happy. Why is he so against having a story or original characters with unique personalities ? Is he trying ot make it more like the main Mario games ? What made Paper Mario special is that it was an RPG that had a great story and great original characters and the battles were not boring at all. I too was looking foward to Sticker Star but when I actually played it....Yeah That game was boring. So what the hell was Miyamoto thinking? Plus almost around the same time on Smash Bros 4 he had a fit about how Brawl had its cutscenes leaked and demanded that no story in Smash should exist cause of that. Thankfully that was fixed on Ultimate. Yeah. I do respect Miyamoto since he is the reason why NIntendo exists but sometimes I really don't like some of the choices he has made. Like having Illumination make the Mario Movie. Yeah. I ain't really too excited over The excitment died down once I saw the cast and the fact that they are taking away Mario's accent as if it would be bad for him to have an itialien accent. Nintendo has thannkfully made more good games then bad games but still. As a company they make some...Questionable choices and the fact that they will attack anyone who they think is stealing from them.
Maybe not sucking but the change in direction.
@@zeroxenoverse9251 But people to this day are still asking for Paper Mario to be in RPG game again and to also have more story like the first 2 games but still. It seems that falls into deaf ears.
@@MewtwoShadowFNaFGirl yea and bug fables is literally paper mario 3 if you want an rpg style paper mario game like ttyd with a bad ass threatening villain deep stories and the battle system of ttyd but even better play bug fables it’s everything i wanted in a true sequel to ttyd
I literally just looked up “what ruined Paper Mario” and I knew there was going to be a video with a similar if not identical title
>mario story is fine without the story
>the guy that made mario?....
The same reason Nintendo killed Alphadream, and kicked RARE out.
Paper Mario was released in 2000 as Mario Story to Japan, not 2001 it's part of the 4 Year Cycle for Each Paper Mario Game that was only ever broken by Super Paper Mario coming out in 2007 instead of 2008. 1996 was Super Mario RPG for SNES which was essentially Paper Mario Zero released 4 Years before the 1st Actual Game & so far each have been on a different system. I'm expecting that the trend that lasted 7 games of 1 per system will end this decade whether it being the 2024 Paper Mario for Switch or in the possibility it is an early title for Nintendo's next hardware the 2028 Paper Mario Game will most certainly be for that expected next hardware.
SNES 1996, N64 2000, & GameCube 2004 were the evolution of the Paper Mario RPG Formula. Wii 2007's Super Paper Mario was a unique experience as a platformer with Pixels serving as partners. I believe that the massive scope of it & how drastically different it was from your typical Mario Game inspired the mandates of the 2010s Paper Mario Trilogy. 3DS 2012's Sticker Star was easily the worst game in the series, & most fans would have preferred Portable Thousand Year Door with differences. At there was clear improvement with each sequel as seen with Wii U 2016's Color Splash & Switch 2020's Origami King.
We're still asking if the 2010s direction for Paper Mario will break just enough so that the 2024 game will be able to have Upgradeable Partners & a Level System like we got 20 Years earlier. Goombella had so much personality & really it would be awesome to see her playable in more Mario Games like Mario Kart. Since before the days of Brawl there have been people begging for Geno in Smash, there is clear fan demand to see more of the partners we got long ago, just as there is demand to get new partners added to the Mario Universe. I'm not interested in the substitutes & while I don't have much time to play games these days I would like to see Paper Mario return to form someday, because there really is no true substitution.
Nintendo
You can't beat other companies, SO IN YOUR FACE NINTENDO
add exp. after a curtain level. you get another page for stickers. there.
Find every thing!
11:58 “You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things."
Love your vids man keep it up
10:38 Wait, you lose coins if you get hit after you die!?
8:04 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "On Paper"
F*** this game
It's just a game... It's just a game...
Interesting this was never brought up, but ironically, Miyamoto was unimpressed with the final product, calling it worse than what he played before. So, they threw in the "things" to try to spice it up a bit. Goes to show that even he noticed something wasn't right about it. I'm a bit late to the party here, but I am glad this isn't the end of the story. The TTYD remake coming out shows us hope!
XD Gwumpy Wumpy Miyamoto
True dat!
I love Miyamoto, but this really pissed me off when he did that to paper mario 3ds, all he had to do was stick to overseeing 3d and 2d marios
Fan feedback is like getting a text
Just because they read it doesn’t mean they gotta reply back
16:50 TTYD REMALE INCOMING
Not hard to figure out.
Nintendo considered 2nd parties, as outsiders stealing the spotlight.
Miyamoto is a jealous little manchild, so he deliberately hurt second parties, once Iwata took the helm.
There's no such thing as 'second parties'. But sure.
disagree I want a new paper Mario game like the thousand year door so I disagree with miyomotos decision
Hey just curious would u ever be interested in being interviewed jack
The obsessive redesigning to please the most famous guy in the company has really been undermining the good will nintendo had over the past decade; yeah he should be respected for launching and solidifying the platformer genre, but that shouldn't mean they need to abandon every other design philosophy just to suck up to him.
Do the developers consider it illegal or something to apply common sense when it goes against the executives' decisions, the occasional blatant mistakes like these make me wonder.
When one person can tell the other "you're fired", it's unlikely that the second person will be able to object to the harebrained schemes of the first.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 Granted, but I know their work culture is concerningly hostile for arbitrary reasons too.
@@XperimentorEES Sadly they're not an isolated case, Japanese work culture is hell and needs to change soon.
@@antonioscendrategattico2302 Yeah I've heard some horror stories that make me question just how classist it is.
i like this game on it's own honestly. the only other game in the series is 64 and it's way better, but this game is fine to me on it's own and doesn't deserve ALL the hate it gets as a paper mario game.
Thousand year door is best one after first and second one I didn't care for paper Mario after that.
hey good news
I enjoyed origami king
i read the tos of the dissapointment, i can now officially be dissapointed
Came to this video to remember why this game was so bad and you kinda sorta missed the worst part about this game that I remember and that’s that because stuckers are single-use and you pluck most of them out of the world if you don’t want to spend money, you spend, collectively, hours going back to places you don’t want to go back to and unsticking stickers that has a short animation every time you do it and, by the time you’re done with the game, you want to end the world.
16:28 Didn’t the game sell more because the 3DS was a fairly new and high selling system. On top of the fact that the original Paper Mario was released towards the near end of the N64’s life span, and that the GameCube was one of Nintendo’s worst selling systems (just not as bad as the Wii U).
Your videos are fun and interesting and they are nice, so thanks.
Do you really lay back like that for real? 🤣🤣
Your videos are great!
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Sticker star is a fun game, its just not like the Other games. A series should stick to its roots, however not every game in a series is for everyone
It's not even that fun of a game
@@ForrestFox626 thsts an opinion, the game works, looks good, sounds good. When I played this fir the first time years ago, I had the time of my life. No I can see why people dont like it, but that doesnt mean it's a bad game, bad GB games have a lot of awful things to them. This games "critics'only dont like it cause it's not there cup of tea
No, I say it isn't fun because there is no reason to battle non-bosses.
They've completely invalidated any reason to battle
@@ForrestFox626 so? Dont battle if you dont want to, but that's you're problem. I like battling regardless of if they're pointless
Then you are wasting you time, not my fault you think this is a good battle system where running still gets rid of enemies
That's funny what he said about the development idea for regular Mario games, since I don't really care for most of them for this reason.
Nice video
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Nintendo listens 95% of the time
Y’all only gripe on the 5% and ignore the times they did
Their property their rules
Fans aren’t making the game
Why are you consoomers like this? Why can't you say, "I deserve better"?
This game is so underated people just hate it because it is the game they point at as the beginning of the bad paper Mario's and that's true but I would say this game is better than origami king the worst of all of them and it's better than color splash to I just want them to go back to Paper Mario the thousand year door and make a direct sequel to that back when Paper Mario was good I would love to see them go back to the rpg roots with all the partner characters I loved the first two games just make a new Paper Mario that's like the first two this game is still not all that bad I liked sticker star and I don't care what anyone thinks or who knows it lol
Really? How's it better than CS and OGK?
it's definitely better than super paper mario at least. that game's fucking horrendous and makes me miserable
...WHAT?
yea the backtracking is even Worse in super paper mario than sticker star that’s awful
I hope you're joking.
yea with the gameplay i can definitely see where you’re coming from but at least it’s still an rpg and has the original characters and the deep story so technically it’s way better than sticker star because it still feels like paper mario
You better be fucking kidding. I mean, say what you want about Super, but it's STILL better than the games after it.
stiker star is the only good paper mario game
Said no one ever
Ew, weirdo.
Totally not true. You got 64,TTYD, and Super.
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