F1 FANS ARE WRONG - Street Circuits Are Amazing
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“The cars ain’t real, but the racing is.” Can’t wait to tell my wife this… not that it would change anything
Lol yea when my wife complains about my iracing I tell her to be careful what she wishes for because if not iracing she'd be complaining about the hobby stock or street stock that would be in the driveway
@@dillonblackwood Same boat here pal 🫡 unfortunately the wife has a stingy relationship with both my irl and ‘fake’ toys 😅
nice quote there
my wife actually understands! she also understands a sim rig is cheaper than a track car in the long run lol
sounds more like your mom then
street circuits are good when the cars won't crumble like a nature valley bar when they bump into eachother
Nascar
More lile 200mph bumper cars
LMAO
It also works better with smaller cars that easier to overtake with. F1 has a lot of issues with both being fragile and being big.
@@typhoon1575nah, that's Daytona/Talladega
So IndyCar
Motorsports are awesome, all styles and all disciplines.
yea i can appreciate it each one of them, even if it is some bunch of shitboxes going flat out everywhere because they arent fast lol
@@mrchicken240I always get excited, especially over Clio cup races too.😆
@@matthewthomson9770 u gotta see here in brazil some cars like opel astra going sideways sometimes lol interlagos is such a cool track 😭
@@mrchicken240 Mazda MX-5 Cup is the best series in the world, change my mind. lol
@@mrchicken240Autodromo Interlagos is one of my favorites.
I’ll go check out some Brazilian Stock Cars. 🙂
Weirdly enough street circuits usually becomes a snoozefest only in F1. Meanwhile when you look at V8 Supercars, Nascar,or hell even current sportscar prototypes have been providing with some spicy racing on a street circuit (technically even Le Mans is ½ street circuit)
its really fun watching people race on courses their cars aren't well suited to. id be a bit interested in seeing an F1 race on an oval
Even in indycar they’ve provided some good racing
Will never happen.
Doesn't even have the tinest portion of sense.
And of course CART in the late 90s could race well on every track with tarmac. A lot of this is because unlike current F1 cars, they actually USED the Venturi tunnels like Venturi Tunnels (and could do so without porpoising due to the presence of a third spring to reduce pitch sensitivity), and while heavier than the then-contemporary V10 F1 cars, they compensated with greater power and downforce. The result (immortalized as the VRC Formula NA 1999 in Assetto Corsa) was just as awesome to watch hotlapping as F1 cars, and could produce exciting racing on road courses, short ovals, and super speedways alike.
it really depends on the track imo. WTCC / WTCR had some really horrible street tracks in its history and those races have never been like their racing track counterparts. Many street circuits suffer from the problem of being too narrow and micky-mousy. Also Le Mans isn't a street circuit, it's a half temporary road circuit, since streets are in cities, and roads connect cities.
Cheers Jimmy, best battle and most fun race I had there all week. Incredible to be able to share the track with you! Was honestly surprised in my own ability to keep pace for the first half of the run. Car never felt the same after tapping the wall. Hope to run into you again soon!
Wholesome af
Jimmy there actually is a European Nascar series that is terribly under recognized, it's called EuroNASCAR, they race at tracks all over Europe and it has a pair of races at Brands Hatch in June. They don't use the cup cars like in the US series but they are based off of them with 450hp, RWD, and a four speed manual transmission
Saw bits and bobs of the EuroNascar round at Autodrom Most in Czechia, with rain. It was a wild time.
They are coming to brands hatch in the uk in June or July
underrated series
I think you could turn this into a series of some sort: "Don't Listen To F1 fans". Could be fun, or at least engaging lol
But F1 fans aren't talking about other motorsports when they talk about F1, are they? F1 fans aren't wrong, street circuits do suck, FOR F1. That's all we mean, we aren't talking about them in general. If you do find an F1 fan who thinks that street circuits are bad in general, they are an idiot and do not represent the views of most F1 fans.
The whole reason why most F1 fans say they're bad, without qualifying "We only mean for F1" is because we don't give a shit about anything except F1, so don't feel the need to qualify the statement, we all know what we mean, and so do you.
If you hear an F1 fan talking about F1, they are talking about F1, not whatever motorsport you like, so yeah, don't listen to F1 fans if you want to know about Nascar. And the same applies the other way around.
_Don't Listen To F1 fans_
Good advice.
@@bipolarminddroppingsAs an F1 fan, chill the series sounds cool
I find street circuits more fun with tin top cars. NASCAR and V8 Supercars lots of fun. F1 I only like Monaco and streets tracks like Aus GP etc. Newer street circuits with F1 I don’t enjoy as much. I guess there’s something so satisfying about taking a heavy car that you have to muscle around walls and barriers while pulling gears and blipping.
Came here to say this, street circuits are better for “rubbing is racing” sort of cars
It's also better when the circuit is wide enough to fight consistently- Long Beach would be fun with the 2026 spec F1 cars/
I think a lot of the problem is that modern F1 street circuits are kinda just slapped somewhere and get some squiggles added in to add "interest". The Madrid track is a prime example of that, from all I've seen it looks like a poor man's Adelaide, but instead of Adelaide's excellent flow and fun drive, it's a pretty boring street track with some chicanes added in and a dedicated track section, all of which come together to form something utterly uninspiring.
“The cars ain’t real, but the racing is.” This always been my thought that the nervous feel when starting the race, the excitement when you get into a battle with other drivers, the adrenaline of chasing and getting chased, and the feeling when you crossed the finish line is always real.
Im British too but thanks to my dad watching NASCAR for a majority of his life ive been able to appreciate and enjoy stock car racing and what its all about. There is NOTHING like it
NASCAR is criminally underrated, they race on regular circuits, ovals, AND DIRT!! No other racing series in the world will you get something like nascar, yes they have stock cars all over. It’s a shame people pick and choose motorsports to like, how people do teams. NASCAR, endurance racing, rally, f1, Indy car, and all the other motorsports are all amazing
Jimmy with his watercooled vapor chamber brain. Focusing requires more cooling but good cooling delivers more performance. Good stuff. I'd love to see SST on long beach. Trophy truck on this circuit is ridiculous but also challenging and a lot of fun.
Watching Nascars Chicago race convinced me that NASCAR needs more street circuts
Be careful what you wish for..
Nothing like driving rain to liven up an inaugural event.
@@LoganHunter82 ...because we're going to get more street course racing, with cars that are better suited for it(re: they aren't fragile as hell) than most others?
I actually enjoy street racing - bring it on!!!
At very least nascar drivers need more practice on them, that race was the first time someone had won their debut nascar race in like 60 years lol
@@IcarianFalll It was also NASCAR's first ever street course race, and it had rain(drivers have relatively minimal experience racing these cars in the rain because, frankly, there hasn't been many opportunities to since they added the rain package). Add in the fact that SVG is *legitimately* one of the best drivers in the world, coming from cars that are relatively similar(more similar to current Cup cars than anything else anyway), with quite a bit of wet experience, and paired with a very good team for the race - I'm not saying that "planets aligned", but the circumstances REALLY fell in SVG's favor for sure.
The Commanders livery being all banged up then just running into a wall is pretty on brand
"art imitating life"
Sting Ray Robb is in Indy right now and honestly, most NASCAR name. Parents legally named him that after the Vette.
That's why they typically say "Nascar drivers are more versatile than most others."
The cars are basically Boats, they get in a little street racing in, a little dirt, I think they turn left a few times a year..
I really wish they'd do a few more street courses like this, or somehow find ways to use a couple of F1 circuits. I think it'd be crazy to see these cars race at places like Monaco. Such a "different style of Racing" on an Iconic track.
Yer rally drivers can't compete with driving a little street and a bit of dirt now and then.
Hate to correct you, Jimmy..... but they don't have V8 engines, they have V8 MOTORS🇺🇸🦅🦅🇺🇸🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸
If there was that intense racing for a 26 car field, imagine what would happen if a full 40 car Nascar Cup field took to the streets of Long Beach, or Detroit, or Toronto or any street circuit anywhere. I'd even consider reactivating the old Birmingham Super Prix track, or maybe they can tear round the Coventry ring road for the MotoFest.
Long Beach on the Cup calendar would probably be a wreck-fest, and it would be GLORIOUS
Nice race, Jimmer! Also, I've been enjoying the highlights (or lowlights lol) from other drivers you've been showing in these videos lately. It almost starts to feel like a TV broadcast rather than just strictly showing us your own race.
Street circuits are great for closed wheel cars because you can bump and grind without your suspension coming apart at the first touch.
Great racing and great to see you back soo engaged with sim racing...the spark is back baby...(re: when you started talking about each corner and the risk of binning it...pure joy).
I would love to see more quick 15 minute races! I of course love the long form racing like GPlaps does, but I have to say I loved this race. Great start to the morning :))
As an American racing fan, Nascar is a staple for car racing, and a huge contributor to my obsession with cars. However, I cannot sit through an oval race in its entirety if I'm not there in person. I usually just watch the highlights the next day. But Nascar road races are so much fun I never miss one. CotA was complete chaos and a testament to simple and raw power.
Love ya Jimmer. Thanks for recognizing us in the US. The snobs don't understand at all.
NASCAR on road courses is amazing. The cars are so terrible at it and so powerful that it's great
Great video! Like the highlights from the other cars throughout
You could also try Nascar's 1996/1997 trip to suzuka
Always cool to see Jimmy racing NASCAR. We need to get him in a xfinity ride
I learned this long ago in PC2 trying Monaco in almost anything that’s not an F1 car
tcr at monaco in that game is phenomenal. i’ve tried it with one of my friends and it’s awesome
There are many reasons why NASCAR is my favorite form of racing but your explanation of big heavy cars with too much power, terrible handling, and only a suggestion of brakes is probably my number 1.
I’ve done a league race here in the cup cars and this track is really fun when you learn it
awesome driving dude. Real shame about Mac though, that was an awesome fight to watch
I am enjoying this commentary/race review format as of late, good stuff as always Jimmer!
I love the bonus commentary for the other drivers, perfect for people who want to work on their racecraft
4:42 Loving the premium iracing sound effects
Loved the concept of this video. Both live commentary and also some replays of crashes and good explanations. Keep it up!🏎
I love this content! It would be really cool to see some sprint car racing or even midget racing (the car not the person). It’s something I’ve never seen you do before and I think it would be really fun to watch. PLEASE!!!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏
loving all the offseason/ winter content . Keep it up Jimmer
I was so surprised to see one of my TP Creations in the video, shame it was on a lapped car att 8:05 :D Awesome driving Jimmers!
Man this is so much more relatable that pretty much any other form of racing you do, I don't know why because I never grew up with Nascar, I just always enjoyed it, and especially hucking them around a narrow track. Great video as always Jimmy, you're awesome ❤
I love these odd combo videos! next can be F1 at Tsukuba or GT3 at Goodwood, NASCAR at Fuji, Monster truck at Isle of Man lol
Great race. Really love that clip at the end!
Fantastic format Jimmy! Loved this, even if the combo looked sketchy!!
I remember seeing a Nascar a few years back near Brands Hatch (there was an event there).
That was great buddy, top watch! Some great battles and camaraderie. Kept up the great work ❤
I love the big burrly cup car for any sort of racing. Your on the edge so much, one mistake and thats it. Love it
jimmy loved the nascar plsu road course!!!! truly putting on a clinic. please can we see more of this
I think a lot of it depends on what kind of car is used, as well as the design of the circuit. The late 90s CART cars for example put on great racing at street circuits and were widely praised, and a lot of that is because of the need to manhandle the cars given the lack of power steering as well as the relative parity of the series (due to the use of customer chassis as well as the fact that cars could follow due to the Venturi tunnels and the third springs to prevent porpoising) leading to consistently interesting racing. It also helps if the street circuits are well-designed-which Long Beach, Toronto, Vancouver, and Belle Isle are, but many of the current F1 tracks are not.
That was a great project. I hope you got an A.
9:55 Nooo! H pattern tragedies ;-;!! lovely racing between the two of you, brutal ways to have a non-race for the other 2 in the top 4. Whiff the start, and pickup that brutal slowdown into T1.
The H-pattern is nigtmare for me sometimes too (it is hunting the best of us)
NASCAR has a rule that requires a lot of extra weight added to the cars for... reasons. Hey, FIA has some doozies, too. Without that weight the cars are actually not that heavy compared to most GT cars but they're not terribly well balanced. These new generation cars are a completely new machine from the ground up in comparison to their predecessors. You want a real challenge, try wrestling a late 90s, early 2000s cup car around a street course.
Hey, Jimmy! If you want to play with circle track cars try Super Dirt Late Models or World of Outlaws Sprint Cars.
Crazy to see a race at a place where you have walked normally. Recommend going to the aquarium if you ever go to Long Beach
That's why I've never really understood the disrespect for NASCAR. It's not my favorite either, but Anybody who's ever driven at all, and I know that you are driving knows how valuable it is to learn to drive in a car that doesn't handle that well and isn't perfect because then when you get into a truly good car at some later date you know what you're doing you know how to deal with damage you know how to deal with unexpected situations if you've been hoarsing some boat around a track for a while.
When I was much younger, I did a little bit of racing, much less accomplished than you are. But I got my start in what's called folks racing, where we would race junk cars on whatever surface was available, that would be tarmac or snow and ice or grass and dirt. You didn't know, and it might be a mix of all three.
So we were struggling with low power, bad suspensions, if not overtly broken, poor brakes, crappy handling, and terrible conditions. And you know several of the guys that I raced with went on to become professional racers in various series. I was good enough that I get invited to fill a seat every once in a while, but nothing outstanding. Mainly, my value is I don't break cars.
But I didn't have a decent car until much later when I bought a used 968. I had much less power than the people I was racing against, but that car really did handle extremely well. And with an upgraded cooling system, you could run it like you stole it the whole time and it just loved it. And despite often being a hundred horsepower or more down on the people I was racing against I could race with them and often beat them because I could handle the car regardless of what was happening Not that I didn't mess up spin out every once in a while, but you know much more so than the guys grew up racing Actually pretty decent cars. I Could handle surprises, and that's extended into my adult life.
My girlfriend knew that I raced when I was much younger, but I don't drive aggressively with anybody else in the car or on the street because it's too dangerous. But one day we had a car that pulled I'll write directly into my path, and it was the first time she saw me move fast. I managed to dive into the side street behind the car and then get back onto the highway, manage the lurid slide that we were in, straighten out the car and keep right on rolling like nothing happened. Her eyes were so wide she was looking like a South Park character, and she just asked me how I did that. And I said that was experience and muscle memory.
So the point of me telling this to you young guys is learn to drive in a crappy car Find some junk piece of crap. Make sure that your safety equipment is good that you don't need to compromise on and then learn to drive something that doesn't handle well and That will pay dividends for you. Heck. Get a pickup truck. And learn how to drive a pickup truck reasonably quick on dirt and tarmac. And that will go a long way toward teaching you how to handle a car in bad situations.
The editing and direction of this video is really great. Awesome vid Jimmer, doing the Americans proud.
if anybody enjoys this i highly reccomend checking out the nascar chicago street race that took place in july, absolutely amazing start to finish
Hey jimmers love these new style iracing videos, amazing new direction (for me atleast not sure if you did this back in the day)
Always entertaining and makes me want to hope right back on
I havent wached jimmy in a minute. How long has he been doing these highly edited, narrated races? This is good.
I'm loving the new editing! The popcorn transmission made me lol
Your videos brought me to video game racing. I wasnt that big of a racing gamer as a kid but your fun videos brought me to racing. It can be a healthy hobby. Thanks for your videos. Anyways great work sir and hopefully you can drive some crazy mods again.
As Americans acknowledge the beauty of street races, Aussie and NZ V8 Supercar drivers will shine. We've seen Van Gisbergen make the shift and, soon, more will. It's something to behold, that's for sure! Great stuff, Jimmer!
That clip from Chicago of them all piled up at the turn 😂😂😂 I was there was one hell of a weekend lol
For anyone who doesn't know, there are _two_ types of cars in each of the top NASCAR series: Oval and Road Course. They're actually built and setup differently for purpose. Road Course cars are built to turn left or right with equal efficacy, like a normal race car. Oval cars are built to be faster going left, while sacrificing traction when turning right. They also have aero flaps that help stop the car specifically when it goes into a left-hand spin.
That's not true of the Gen 7 car. They're the same car whether it's on an oval or a road course.
love the memes. You ever used an IR tracker?
9:32 That's what I have to tell my friends when we're playing a fighting game together. Like I swear it's not just fighting you in this game making me like this
Now I want to see Jimmy take one of these cars into a rally stage.
Mac surely will see this video at some point. Awesome driving! I would have been starstruck and miss a shift as well, or more likely go into the wall after Jimmy laps me.
Love having you back doing regular content Jimmer!
Remember that after all the development that Dallara did for their nascar cup car, NASCAR had to roll back the downforce on the cars because of competitiveness. The cars were braking too good and leading to less passes and turns were easier to hog the inside.
Other than that its still a heavy "underpowered" thin tired freedom boi.
I used to live in Long Beach, and ive attended it almost every year for the past 10 years and I can safely say how awesome it would be if F1 went back to Long Beach. Fun fact, since it was canceled in 2020, when they scheduled it for 2021, it was in the fall and on my birthday
Feels like you got your mojo back, mate. Forget the views and the metrics, make the content you want and occasionally you'll hit the big number. Loving the fresh editing, too.
so we're all here to talk about sim racing, or street circuits, or stock cars... but I want to shout out Jimmy's editing here (or whoever the editor is if he didn't do it), this video is great
If editor chan was responsible for the Chase St Clair driver pic, it absolutely floored me 😂
Can we get more commentary on what's going on during the race? It was a nice little addition to the video
I love this kind videos Jimmer aside tour Nurburgring challenges. THIS is amazing content i like 🤟
I need to give Next Gens on road courses another go. The Glen killed it for me.
I hope that cough clears soon Jimmy sounds nasty, another nice little video and editing is on point 😂 Respect to Mac for being so humble at the end there 👍
How do you shift a sequential from 4 to 1st? is he maybe using an H pattern and iracing just follows that?
That was immense. More!!!! I really hope Nascar continues with the Chicago street course. Maybe THAT is where they should have the Clash! (Well, maybe not Chicago in February, but Long Beach? Somewhere else more temperate?)
9:54 that money shift. hate to see it
Great video Jimmy and great race.
Love these style of videos!
I like street circuits too, but for f1 it just doesnt fit that well because of the lack of overtaking opportunities, compared to gt cars and nascar there
And the fragility. Expecting drivers to race hard to get the best finish possible, but then they're all but required to be mistake-free at the same time because it's an unforgiving street course, it's just inevitable that it ends up being either plenty of carnage from your typical open wheel & prototype cars(IndyCars are the exception to the rule, those cars are tanks since they're built for 200+MPH oval use too) or it just becomes a parade lap race where no one makes a pass.
These big ol' beefy Cup cars though, they can handle bouncing off of walls and each other throughout the race. Frankly, aside from their size(they're pretty wide), they may be better suited for street courses than about any other type of race car is lol.
Good news is the NASCAR Cup Series cars will be transitioning to paddle shifters in the future.
“Allergic to that much freedom” had me crying there mate
Idk why but i like listening to this NA v8 reving to 9k rpm, even tho I m a 4banger guy 🤷♂️ (My crouch rocket revs to 14.5k, love the revs)
Where is that stream if we want to watch it?
Stock cars are a blast to drive. Always good racing
In any kind of racing, baiting the opponent and then falling for it is SO SATISFYING.
Have you driven the Australian v8 supercar on a street circuit.. like Newcastle
0:33 yea it can be a lot. You'll eventually get used to it
I remember 10 years ago when they were pushing over 900 hp. Than they went to the 550 hp package and it sucked ass. Even now at 670, most drivers and fans want higher hp back. Love the content Jimmy!!!
they are discussing going up to around 750 hp. Toyota was the only holdout but have said they are now open to a hp increase
A local 1/8th mile oval use to have 600+ HP "pro modifieds"...NASCAR definitely needs to go back to higher power, I agree. Also...I loved those "pro mods". All of the cars were bespoke, none of them used the exact same body...I think they were allowed somewhere between 600 and 700 HP. One the 1/8th mile oval...I dont think you could get much faster.
Good job by the new editor.
Having sim raced at and personally attended the LBGP, respect for enduring the pure technicality of this course in one of the rowdiest homologated vehicles ever
Every nascar race I’ve watched jimmy do he’s won or finished top 5. You were born for this jimmy you’re an American
I agree that street circuits are magnificent but there’s something about a purpose built race track that just makes it feel like it’s built for racing, the corners are put together perfectly and the flow is artistic. Granted it really brings out the skill in people to try and find the flow on a street course so I understand both sides
Not getting lapped by Jimmy Broadbent might be my crowning achievement as a sim racer
Yall have the NASCAR euro cars (they are their own cars) sadly not enough events on the calendar IMO, EDIT: Also the Chicago race for the cup series was really good
I love your comeback to iRacing videos!
Amazing video! The end was great also.
I love the Long Beach street circuit so much.
Tight street circuits are a lot of fun. Sad that with I suppose advances in technology, and the ability to put these things up quicker and quicker, and with these pseudo courses where they build a racetrack and then turn it over to public use for most of the year, that street circuits are becoming wider and faster with time. I'm from Baltimore and I'm still waiting for a decent version of the GP in sim. There will probably never be another track as bumpy and messy, and that's what I love about these tight street circuits.
Does iracing run official races with nascar on road tracks? This seems alot of fun