Skallagrim and Jason Kingsley in conversation. How did it go?
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- Skallagrim has posted part one of this chat we had on his channel. This is the second half. A few topics touch on more grown-up themes.
Here's the link to his video • A Fun Chat with Jason ...
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Skall's video is here on his channel: ua-cam.com/video/kDHXKrrTD4E/v-deo.htmlsi=DusSiiVKsSGiFpib
What a refreshing conversation! Loved listening to you guys. Very different subjects then usual. Have a beautiful day! ❤ Hugs for Ghost and your mule with no name, (that I called Lancelot for myself. Can't have an animal without a name.. 😄)
If your a fan of shtf survival games, you may enjoy a game called the long dark by hinterland. It's my favorite.
The "physics takes over" bit reminds me of a fiction book I once read, where a major plot point is a heated dispute in academia, and one character asks someone with an engineering degree (I think) why they seem above it, and they reply something along the lines of "In my field, if we get it wrong, the bridge falls down."
That kind of stayed with me.
I think I will be adding a string of thoughts as they come. 😅
Museums, especially smaller regional museums, often also simply don't have a curator focusing on a particular topic, even though they have relevant objects in their collection. I have a textile curator friend whom I got in touch with in the first place sort of accidentally when I commented online on some of the objects in their museum and how I think the description got it wrong. And it turns out the museum had never had a textile curator before her (I think those particular objects in the collections had previously been treated as ethnographical material and less important general historical material), so she's slowly going through the collections and improving on the records - a task I eventually helped her with a little by getting at least approximate thread counts on some of the fabrics, a task I was doing in my own textile industry job at the time, and had a better eye for, and I brought a useful magnifying glass from work. 🙂 The intersection of fields can be incredibly useful for the study of history.
I had a professor in Mechanical Engineering that would say something very similar in a different context. He would point to the seriousness of getting even the smallest bit of math wrong because that mistake could very much bring a bridge down.
Nice to see you both!
Shut up Matt
@@30035XD No you. 🤣
Wow, all three of my fav awesome (and level headed) enthusiasts in this genre in one place. It is good to see you all supporting each other!
@@scholagladiatoria Remember when you sold out?
@@MacEwanMouse 😂 lol
I wanna see Skalgrim charging on horse 😂 let's do it
As long as the horse and Skal are fine with it - yeah, I'll second that
Heck yea
Yes, as long as he doesnt hurt himself aagain, yes.
Haha, I wanne see Skall try to GET on a horse. Be fun enough alone 😆
Errr...have you any idea how much time Jason has put into his riding and training his horses?
I really respect Skall for saying that. Way too many history based UA-camrs calling themselves historians atm.
some of 'em have ridiculous takes but still have hundreds of thousands of subscribers...smh.
“Enthusiast” is a perfect term. We enjoy reading about it, talking about it, practicing parts of it when we can. Just having fun learning like when we were kids.
I haven't heard any call themselves historians, except for academics.
Yeah, they are a classy bunch. Glad to see them working together.
@@johnracine4589 yes thats perfectly fine, but some of those "entusiasts" make alot fo claims of what happened in medievel era. Just like Jason does all the time
Two great guys conversing. I've watched you both, separately for a couple years, until now where both those worlds collide. great watch!
Thanks! I loved listening to you two talking, ranging from hominids and prehistory to modern military psychology and ending with fashion!
I giggled over the wrongly-hung horse bridles and found the piece of the jousting gauntlet which couldn't have worked especially fascinating: a lack of practical life experiences has become so widespread and forms 'accepted academic' discourse, thus more and more knowledge and skills become forgotten or lost. That knowledge, in case of a Zombie Apocalypse, would be life-saving, wouldn't it ...
Thanks again - more of those 'fireside talks', please!
I heard similar accounts about several items where the curators in the museum did the typical "its a ritual item" thing, until a person skilled in a specific task came about and said "oh, why do you say thats a ritual whatsoever? thats obviously a tool for , I use the same thing still. just not made of bone but of plastic"
even I had a similar experience to a degree. a friend worked in a museum for ethnography and gave us a tour. When we came to an exibition with african weapons, including very small buckler-like shields, she said "here these shields are for ritual use, obviously they're way to small to be used in combat" I asked her how sure she's about that. Because while I dont have experience with african weapons, those shields look much like bucklers were training with
NEVER assume that museum curators know what they're talking about. I can't tell you how many Native American bows have been displayed strung backwards because, well obviously you just connect the two ends with the string. That will work if the bow is not reflexed (ie, shaped "backwards" when unstrung) but it's a disaster for a reflexed bow. In his book on American Indian bows and archery, Reginald Laubin mentions ignorant curators stringing these bows wrong, bending them the wrong way, and breaking them.
A very wholesome collab. I could listen to this for hours.
This was excellent! There were a lot of great points covered, and you were able to easily converse on a wide variety of topics. Jason, Have a natural gift as an interviewer, and make it very easy for your guest, generating a great rapport, and allowing all of us to enjoy the wonderful conversation. This would make a great series if you continued with other of your UA-cam peers, etc.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Best collaboration ever
Medieval life needs to be brought back to "reality" as opposed to "Hollywood", you guys are key to that goal. Food, equipment, daily life, you two cover all those topics in your work and bring to life the world the commoners existed in. The biggest thing I've learned in my decades is that just because people lived thousands of years ago, doesn't mean they were stupid, they were just as intelligent as us and in some cases far MORE intelligent. Academia as a whole is guilty of not really DOING what they say was done, you and Skall actually DO these activities and can see what works and doesn't. I look to Skall for "infantry" knowledge and what hand to hand fighting was like and you for "Knightly" and "homesteading" knowledge, recipes and pageantry.
I think that is unfair. There are a lot of people in academia who actually do the stuff they research. There's a whole discipline of practical archaeology where people try out things from the past to figure out how it worked. Heck, HEMA began among academics who had access and interest in the old manuscripts.
The real problem with academia is actually outreach, or how to popularise their findings. Sometimes it takes far too long for what is being figured out by academia to make its way to the general public. And sometimes, even when they are successful in this outreach, it is just outright ignored by those that produce the art we consume. Think about the Vikings show and how hilariously wrong vikings there are depicted.
"The physics takes over". Such a true statement! Without practical testing, it's impossible to actually know exactly what will happen. Good to see you both working together!
the 'historical' effects of films have a lot to answer for - probably more than the mistakes of museums and their curators. The medieval filthy peasant is very film-driven, and also by the post-Victorian socialista historians of England who loved to paint them as stereotypically oppressed serfs
I totally agree.
I find it quite strange how many people dismiss films as just "it's a film, no one cares, it's meant to be entertaining", but also how completely people tape their understanding of history from videogames and films and such.
Its not even that hard to just, eh i go to wash in the river, line to show they wash at least. if you dont want public baths
@@marocat4749I can’t even figure out what you’re trying to say
I truly enjoyed this talk. Very informative and interesting! Thank you!
Woah! This was definitely unexpected! Very excited to follow along.
Awesome collaboration 🎉
Thank you.
Lots of things to think about---thank you both.
Damn this is the content I'm looking for! So glad you guys made this video. More, perhaps...
What a wonderful collaboration! Two of my fav youtubers in this space. And such an interesting conversation, thank you guys.
What gets me, is our ancestors went from an easy meal for mega fauna as you mentioned (slow, no claws, too heavy to hide amongst the trees) to, with the discovery of the shattered stone and sharpened stick; being the most dangerous apex predators to ever exist.
Then, our ancestors were so efficient, that they consumed their predators and spread to all corners of the globe.
What happened with that change? What pushed the discovery of the sharpened edge and pokey stick initially?
Probably one guy bumped into a sharp thing and immediately, with his dying breaths, proclaimed "AAAAH AAAH AAAAAAH AAAH!!! *gurgle*", explaining the situation succinctly to his peers.
There is actually research going on in this field, mainly looking at our ape relatives who seem to have developed some notion of sticks and stones being useful.
Tool use has been observed in other species too, e.g. birds.
We seem to have quite a lot going for us in terms of ability to use tools though - arms, very dexterous hands, opposable thumbs, bipedalism. So even species who are cognitively able to use tools like corvids are not able to make use of them practically as well as a human.
The book referred to I think was: Men Against Fire: The Problem of Battle Command by S. L. A. Marshall
Thanks. Love the discussion and them both. But that book is unfortunately well known and highly regarded by many despite being pretty much bunk
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This was great! Lovely to see you both chatting about such interesting subjects with such humility.
Also Jason's point about hominids is something I think on often.
This was an unexpected crossover, I'm subscribed to Jason on this channel of mine and Skall on the other!
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Thanks for doing the collab together - I greatly enjoy both of your channels content and that you give level-headed, mature and non-reactionary takes on things. I mostly watch both of your channels and Matts these days.
I do like the term enthusiast - and I still see it as very noble in its own right, as you share your knowledge and help educate people on these matters and set them on the right path toward learning themselves. Every student, also a teacher. It is always wonderful to see that you all tend to research things and evolve your opinions over time, experimenting and learning. That is passion, and it is good to see and part of why I think many of us love your channels.
As for zombies, I agree it can be a bit too real. I have to take them in small doses. I always love my fantasy.
Thank you guys! It was time well spent!
These kind of in depth discussions are perfect and with skall? Favorite arms and armor enthusiast 🙏
Suggestion: do a quarterly podcast about news/discoveries that have been made recently. Something like they've found ruins of a castle, a new theory for X or Y and so on. Bring on various guests so we get some variations.
I think that the thing about killing other people in battle (with the exception of the 5% who will just do it) is that in medieval period, or any period before widespread adoption of guns, is that the hand to hand combat was much more common, and in hand to hand combat it's probably easier to justify killing somebody else simply because of the primal 'fight or flight' response. So basically your brain shutting down everything other than self-preservation
I agree, I believe this is also a recognised thing in how PTSD wasn't really identified until WW1.
When engaging in hand to hand combat (or short range musket fire), the danger presented by the enemy is very very real. In those circumstances your brain tunnel visions so much it ceases to perceive anything other than *danger*.
And when you're that pumped up on adrenaline, all you can hear is the rushing of blood in your ears, that sort of killing becomes a lot easier. It definitely seems from accounts and graves and such that ancient battles got very very bloody for the losing side. No way 5% of an army is killing that much with swords...
I do believe this sort of 5% psychology is very much modern warfare, where the enemy is so far away they don't really activate our primal understanding of danger and adrenaline.
@@kirotheavenger60 Yea, I do believe it's way harder for our monkey brain to wrap it's head around the concept of a gun 500m away vs a dude with as sharp stick right in your face.
One big changeover was the possibility of mass mobilization. Previously, it was a very small percentage of the population that would be expected to stand and fight as proper men at arms.
@@RambleOn07 Depends where you look. Yes, medieval armies tend to be way smaller than in the later periods, but at the same time, in the antiquity we've had armies of tens of thousands, sometimes 100 thousand strong (at least according to sources). And that is on top of lower population of the world back then (until the black death at least)
Great interview! Was surprised to go to Skal's channel and see this was part 2, though.
24:08 I struggle with saying humans invented warfare at any point, especially when Skal says "we might have already ventured into territorial disputes". Normally I'd point out wars between chimps, but territorial disputes are so normal to animals.
This was an absolutely joyful chat to watch. Thank you very much to both of you!
❤ So happy to see this. I haven't been getting hardly any of your videos.
I once tried to explain to a museum curator that the replica of a neolithic stone axe they had on display had the handle almost certainly attached incorrectly, due to a misunderstanding of the (misleading) drawing it was based on. But I was just a student, so they didn't listen to me. 🤷
Loved both these videos - perfect to listen to whilst churning through work :)
The Stibbert museum in Florence has an amazing ollection of arms and armours!
Absolutely fascinating video. Enjoyed both parts 1 & 2.
This is very interesting! I'm glad you two were able to chat and provide us with this fun conversation.
Commenting and liking both videos. LIke a righteous and just woman.
Great interview, piqued my curiosity. Thank you
I didn't even know it was a two part thing till toward the end of the video on Skall's channel. This was such a easy and interesting talk to listen to, it was quite a treat to learn there was even more!
One of the best channels on this topic IMO. Sword Buyers Guide was a banger channel as well. Thanks for the share!!
Brilliant, may I have another please :)
Great collab. Love to see more of these videos in the future.
Much fun to hear you two chat about the past! 😁
Thank you both.
Even though I am signed up for alters, I didn't get one for this episode. Thank you for the alert in shorts!!!
With a zombie apocalypse, all you really need to do is stay indoors for a week or two because the zombies will expire that quickly.
Your talk about the 90% of people who'd rather not fight reminds me about what I was told about combat in Afghanistan: the local way of mass combat was to put on a good show, for example shelling somewhere nearby, which they hoped would cause the other side to withdraw or surrender.
It the same thing with tribal warfare, turn up, show off and shoot arrows , throw spears and hope that you don't get hit in return.
You 2 could do a podcast talking about anything. You got the right vibe I feel.
Bravo. Absolutely marvelous. I would definitely be up for more.
Bows in museums tend to be displayed unstrung, which causes recurve bows to bend the other way - and this is the only way some artists saw them.
As the Result, the Polish National Museum and the Polish Army Museum (right next door) both have big paintings of battle scenes that depict recurve bows strung the wrong way. :)
Great vid guys, always nice to have History / Weaponry UA-camrs collaborating.
I enjoy these fairy informal / natural chat formats almost as much as your other content, hopefully these are easier for you to put together?.....I can't imagine how you guys find the time to create so much - and of such quality.
Super fun to hear you both chatting. Hope you do it again soon.
Great first guest! I remember following Skallagrim when I first came to UA-cam back in 2012!
Went past Rebellion studios today BTW, looks pretty awsome site!
friend of mine used to work for Rebellion, quite a few oxford grads did, interesting tales from the days of AvP game, sounded like a very fund palce to work...
Regarding Neanderthals and Denisovans, we most certainly interacted both violently and otherwise. Modern humans from different parts of the globe have varying levels of Neanderthal DNA and Denisovan DNA. I would definitely agree though. It would be fascinating to see different groups of humans interacting as if it were some kind of modern fantasy setting. There's just so much we will never know about that period of our history.
Super great talk by two of my favorite educational UA-camrs, I would absolutely listen to your podcast
39:15 Thats why i like warhammer fantasy setting so much, the aesthetic is just top notch.
About the people not wanting to kill people - there is a video from Lindibeige that goes into detail for this and also how this lead to evolution of reflex based shooting for modern special forces - shoot precisely and effectively before you think - which is one of the main reasons that leads to these men being effective killers and ALSO results in heavy PTSDs in these men.
The mentality and treatment of enemies is something I'm quite fascinated of, especially after coming accross some sources mentioning cultural differences in that between armies. Namely, one mentioned a complaint of the presumably backwaterish Swedish army not being accustomed to the mid-European style of seeing the enemy army as a potential source for recruits but instead focusing too much on just killing them.
Yes, looking forward to this 😊!
A college friend had a mastodon tooth on a shelf in hhis house. He said he and a friend were walking along a river.
His dog started digging on the mud on the side of the river. They discovered it was a mastodon jaw.
They took a couple of teeth to the Parientology Department at campus.
The prof said, "Ok put it on the shelf over there. Those animals must have been as plenty as cattle around here.'
This was such a a great crossover - I love conversations like these 😊
Great collab - love it! More please!
Great conversation. Very interesting!
Amazing collab!
The thinning of plate is partly due to how it was worked, starting with blank made from relatively thick plate, you work it out from the centre and have to work the outer areas more.
That was great! I would love to see more of these collaboration-type conversations in the future! Thanks for the video!
Very enjoyable conversation. I must say being wounded is often what opens that mind set of going bazerk. The chances of recovery are slim and you want to kill as much as you can before going down. An injury makes a man even more dangerous and poised to kill. A wounded bear or bore is known to kill anyone or anything that walks by. I suppose it’s chances of recovery are greater if it’s surrounded by dead meat and rage makes that possible.
I also think you both may underestimate the power group think has. A medieval battle is very much a flock / herd mentality. They are all very pumped to kill and it’s contagious. On the sight of blood that mind set locks in until it’s all over. The only way home is going through the battle. Nature gives you a back door to flee but the commander does not.
Such a fun conversation!
A book I read 'Humankind' discusses this general tendancy of humans to want to avoid killing, it was really interesting I highly recommend it. One part that I found fascinating was that they have found many examples of firearms from Waterloo that had been loaded many times without discharge, and that this is an example of avoiding killing during warfare.
Touching on the closing topic of fashion that is no longer used widely. I always find it fascinating what old styles do get retained by different societies as emblematic of their culture. Why did the wigs become symbols of the judiciary over any other styles that could have been retained. Why do various militaries use certain uniform styles for ceremonies despite having no practical purpose. Bearskin hats being used instead of tricornes or other elements that the British could have chosen from any other period of their history, the Swiss Papal Guard using renaissance armor. etc.
Video was definitely worth the wait!
If not legends then at least a legendary collaboration.
Thanks both
Such a fun video! It’s great to see the historical community on UA-cam engaging in crossover. 😄
I’m just gonna throw it out there, we need Jason to spearhead Rebellion’s Zombie Army 5 as a medieval period piece! Totally untapped market Zombie/Knights.
Do you fight the catholic chuurch,,, or for it :O
@@marocat4749 Fight for the Catholics against the Germans during the 30 years war.
I would think something along the lines of the hundred year war. France and Britain joining forces for survival against the undead hordes. Imagine the tracks Nick D. Brewer could make for it!!!
This pair of interview/discussions deserves to be watched more than once. First time watching, I thought they were interesting. However, with the second watching, so much more popped out. So many facinating questions were posed. A few were answered, but most were left for the viewer to find their own answers. Leading the watcher to further thought and research. Excellent end game.
Really enjoyed the video! It was over too soon! 😊
I love everything you do on this channel. But I can’t see you without this coming to mind… Does the mule still not have a name? It’s been four years. Your longtime viewers are wondering.
Best wishes. Now that I’ve asked, I can go on watching the rest of this video.
Excellent collaboration!
about the hygene part:
1. maybe the part about the french bishop complaining wasnt so much about "oh, they wash themselves" and more about "they want to seduce the women and therefor go far out of their way to be pretty" (as in todays young people going to a club)?
2. the baroque nobles using perfume instead of washing is kind of false. its not like they did just cover their stink with lots of perfume, they put it on towels and whiped themselfs down with it. and with the main incredient of perfume being alcohol, they basically used wet-whipes to wash. so not so much "I dont wash" as "I'm to stinkin' rich to wash with WATER" :D
Skallagrim and Jason talk with exceptional honesty about just how grim Medieval battles were. After watching again. I rewatched an older video about How brutal was a Medieval Battle Ax. Styrofome targets took on a new reality. I agree with them, I wouldn't want to time travel into a battle even as an observer. A great way to de-Hollywood reality.
On hygiene I had gone with my dad to Chester museum or cathedral to see display about the romans about 60 years ago. Later that year we had romans as a couple of lessons, on what they gave us. I wrote about what they took from us gold silver slaves and soap. It was written about how we used fat and ash embers too make a soap that would lather. I remember because 1 it should have been about what they did for us 2 I won a gold star.
Enjoying this colaboration. Very interesting.
Cut off a bit abruptly. 😊
Yep. Loved it
Under-the-table arrangements for enemy factions to carry on being at war, but actually hold back and limit their activities, are very much real, and common, even today.
Well, Sirs! The beginning of the 2nd part of the collabo is even getting better! Luv you both forever. Swords up, beakers downed!!! 💪🖤😍 Went down the Archaeology road, too. But I was made more for the blade than the book of elites, even though I'm a Printer's kid! Or because of that. I dunno! Best regards from FFM. May your minds never get clouded! May your ways be thorny, but full of roses! 🤟🐎
The blade draws blood, but the pen draws the words - Nelson Luther King Mandela
thisnis amazing thanks
Yo! Never thought I'd see this combo! Awesome
Hell yeah... looked like a great time
As someone who is very interested in medieval history I'd definitely not want to see a medieval battle. I think it'd be bloody horrid. If I could visit any time or place I'd throw away all of human evolution and history and go to the Jurassic or Cretaceous.
Imagine what you would learn.
The world without grass, without most of the plants we take for granted. And holy shit, the dinosaurs! Real live dragons.
I esteme Skall. I SPELL it, but I DO it.
Thank you. That was fun.
Hi great vid ,the topic of plate armour with different dimensions across it is very interesting,I wonder if the applied differential hardening to it as well ,in modern military body armour we can see something similar ie. Vest comprising of soft armour and hard plates for covering the organs ,anyhooo great stuff guys.all the best from sunny Troon 😊
I've read that 1 in 10 skeletons from the Neolithic Era show signs of violence.
I wonder if Paleolithic encounters between bands was incredibly frought, not because of violence, but because of the potential for disease transmission. Can you imagine the tension? You want news and trade, but will the children sicken and die a week later?
Awesome colab!!
Fascinating discussion on most of my favourite topics. On the subject of killers/non killers. I read somewhere that the mercenary armies of the Italian city states would put on a good show, but do very little actual harm to their countrymen working for the other side. You've gotta go home and live next door to them, after all!
I find myself wondering if a person from medieval times could see some of the conclusions we've drawn from history, what they would say. Maybe they'd think we're all nuts and we have some pretty funny ideas about that era 😆
Let's assume that 5% of a given military is willing to kill. That's not actually a problem. Most of the modern military isn't in combat arms.
Even infantrymen who refuse to kill, they can still commit to support fire. Most of combat involves pinning the enemy down and securing an advantage.
With that advantage the soldiers can then commit to killing or capturing the enemy.
Hi Jason, I've been a fan of your channel for some years now, loved your role as the Knight in the Lady of Shalott poem video, especially Loreena McKennitt's music video of it. Would you do an interview or video with Loreena herself? It would be such a great collab to see you two talk or do something together
Good idea, no clue how to organise that though!
nice, Loreena's website has her contact info, or her youtube channel, I'm sure she'd be interested