SURPRISING RESULT! Echo CS-590 vs Husqvarna 455 Rancher
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- Опубліковано 12 лют 2022
- Testing a new chain on the Husqvarna 455 Rancher (55cc chainsaw) vs the Echo CS-590 (60cc chainsaw) brought a very close result. Previously I was using the Oregon Advancecut chain, which is a homeowner low-kickback chain. Despite my best efforts sharpening that chain, it didn't come close to the cutting power and speed of the pro series, Oregon Powercut chains that are running on both the Echo and Husqvarna chainsaws.
I use my chainsaws for felling trees, though I don't tackle enormous trees on my property, and I also cut firewood. I feel these 55-60cc chainsaws are just the right size for my needs. I was definitely surprised to see how close the 455 Rancher and Echo 590 were once the 455 Rancher has the same kind of chain. I thought the Echo would be considerably faster, but that was not the case.
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As I only do garden maintenance, I don't use chainsaws that much, I do take down the odd tree now and then, but I generally use one for logging firewood. Bought myself a Husqvarna 455 Rancher a couple of years ago and it's been excellent for my needs!
Phil, I've noticed in almost every saw cutting video you using the bumper spikes to try and speed your cuts. They are just to help prevent kickbacks, not to force the saw to cut faster. Your bogging the chain down doing this and not going to get an accurate cut comparison between two saws doing this. It will also dull your chain faster using it the way you are. Just full throttle it, keep saw parallel to ground the whole cut and let the saw do its work.
Ok. will give that a shot next time. Thanks
They are there for more leverage and controlled cutting also not just for kickback.
I use my spikes to pull thru the wood a little faster but you are right about it dulling the chain faster
The dogs on a saw are not there to prevent kickback. They are there to help the saw cut faster. Dogging the saw will make it work harder. Just don't overwork it. It is also not going to dull the chain faster.
I like to give the bar a bit of room between the wood and the engine, not much about an inch, just so it can spit out the crap (so yeah I don’t use the “bumper” “dog” or whatever you want to call them, I just use the weight of the saw, apply even steady pressure , pay attention to the pitch of the saw (make sure it’s not getting bogged down) and run it full throttle but that’s just me.
I’ve noticed everyone has a preference and everyone has a favorite, soffre,ford,Buick,etc etc
Personally I like Japanese lol
Very interesting thanks for sharing Phil!👍👍
Good comparison video. Thanks
The vanguard chain that come on the ranchers is trash! My Echo cs590 took 8-10 tanks before it woke up, and prefer it more than my 460 rancher. Both are good firewood saws. But will take the Echo Timberwolf with magnesium case bolt-on cylinder any day over the Husqvarna Rancher plastic clamshell.
Echo
590 $400 (59.8cc 4.1hp)
620 $550 (59.8cc 4.7hp)
Husqvarna
455 $500 (55.5cc 3.5hp)
460 $550 (60.2cc 3.6hp)
The chain on the echo and the new “pro” chain are also reduced chickback chains, just a different style. They have the additional bumper links next to the depth gauge(raker). A standard chain will have no additional bumper links next to the rakers.
good info. thanks
Is the Oregon EXL a safety chain?
Got a 455 rancher and absolutely love it
Love my 455 Rancher!!
The chain you showed pictured was not a low kickback chain, it did not have the extra long guide bar in between the links of cutter teeth
Always impressed by the cs590
The 590 will get stronger after a few more tanks of fuel most echos take a while to fully run to their maximum potential
I look forward to that
Facts.
I heard around 15 tanks of fuel to break her in.
So will the Husky lol
Have you tried the Husqvarna x cut chain? I have a 20 and 24 inch I run on a 55 rancher. They cut fast and throw chips.
Phil I’ve never really ran a Husky but I know I really like my Echo saws. Take care, Ben.
I got an echo cs-352 for around the house and if things get tough I pull out my cs-490, just got the 490 not long ago. I’ve had the 352 for 5 years now. Keep a clean air filter and a sharp chain and man they just go and go and go. Nice comparison. Grandfather bought an old husky back in the 90s and it still runs just fine. For what that’s worth.
You should spend some extra money and grab an XP Husky. Atleast a 550. You'd be amazed what it can do for only a 50 cc. Nothing against the Ranchers but it's a huge jump from those to an XP. Well worth the extra cash.
Little more equal comparison on this one. Pretty dang close. Couple great firewood producers for you to use. Be safe brother!
I was surprised how close it was with the times. When I was running the saws, the echo felt way faster.
First time on your channel ... two nice saws there , im a huge fan of Echo saws that timber wolf rips..
Thanks for dropping in. I've been pleased with the echo the short time I've had it.
Echo is definitely a nicer built saw. Once it breaks in it will run stronger especially if you retune it. Its tuned really rich from the factory
Yep. Not a clam shell saw like the Husky
What exactly needs to be done to "tune" a brand new saw? I had an Echo Timberwolf 590 a few years ago and it ran rich from day 1 so I just returned it.. Thinking about buying another one.. So what do you recommend I should do with it brand new so it runs well??
Hi Phil - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. I found this most interesting, especially as I told you I have just purchased a 455 to replace my retired 365. You confirmed my decision and I am confident the 455 will fulfil my reduced production needs. Over here the Echo is 40% more expensive at $1040 for no increase in output. I always use an Oregon semi chisel version of the new full chisel chain you bought. When I'm bucking I get the most consistent cutting by just rocking the saw slighly while keeping it horizontal and not using the dogs so the weight of the saw lets the teeth find their own bite while maintaining maximum revs - I also feel it puts less pressure on the clutch as the chain seldom jams.
That is crazy that the echo is more expensive there. No way would I chose a rancher over a cs 580.That 365 saw was a much better saw then the rancher.
@@Rob-tl9md Hi Rob - Big Rodders again. It's all a question of cost versus usage and value for money. Plus, and crucially for me, the 365 over here is now computerised and after my experiences with Autotune on the 555, another great saw when it started, there was no way I was getting a computerised saw again. I have gone from doing 180 cords a year with the 365 & 555 down to 20 so at my age I couldn't justify the additional expenditure. Provided the 455 proves reliable I will be the happiest squirrel in the woodpile!
Wow I just bought a new 590 Timberwolf for $450 that’s insane that it’s double the price where your at
@@rodneysweetnam8653 Hmm...my 545 m2 and my 572xp have been literally flawless from the middle of the summer to when it's 20 degrees Fahrenheit. I think the auto tune technology is being improved pretty rapidly. I have absolutely no complaints with mine
And that's an insane price for the Echo. I could go to a big box store right now in the Midwestern US and get one for 420$ 🤔 The 455 will do you fine though. I have a 450 that I used hard for like 10 years with novice maintenance procedures and it still runs good. Been replaced by my 545 m2 but I still use it a lot
My brand new 455 Rancher has leaked bar oil since the first tank full. My new Echo CS490 doesn't leak any at all, and it's over a year older saw. All my huskys leak bar oil. Husky 66, husky 455, and husky 141... tried everything to fix the leaks, now i either pour the oil back in jug, or store the saws on their side with bar on the top. My echos use less bar oil since they are clutch driven and not crankshaft driven.
Just bought the cs590 a few days ago. It's awesome for the money but it's pretty heavy for its displacement. It's the same weight as my dad's husqvarna 372xp and that's a 71cc saw
I've thought about buying one a few times until I pick it up. It's a pig.
The magnesium on the 590 adds to the weight and durability. But I don't think you can go wrong with either.
The 5 year warranty on the echo brings piece of mind. But that's what I own and we all know we can have confirmation bias.
As long as you like what you have that's all that matters I think personally
@@wetley09😂it's not heavy
I love my 455 rancher, 1 second or so in time will probably not induce me to run out to replace my chainsaw any time soon.
Both look like good saws👍. I was looking at echo but purchased a stihl only because I had stihl. The next saw may be an echo or husky just too compare them and see what I might be missing out on.
I now have one stihl, one husky, one echo. No real preference for any of them. They all do well for what they are.
Only reason Stihl has such the reputation is they have better marketing aka mo money spent on ads vs the others. I've owned one Stihl and know many others who have them and ALL turn into pull'ns. Hahaha Echo for me all day everyday.
I have a stihl ms690 I rebuilt from a free burnt cylinder saw. Its a beast and great for heavy work. The ones I use most are my smaller Echos, cs310 and cs440. Light, low vibe, can use them infinitely with no fatigue, affordable, and have been completely reliable.
They cut about the same with the same chain just be careful with the more aggressive chain have a great week
Echos chain is also a safety chain (anti kickback) if it's what came on your saw.
The echo chain is definitely an Oregon chain too it looks the same as the new one on the husky
I love my 590!
I know you do! I think I'm going to like this one too!
Love the huskys but will choose the echos over the farm saws any day of the week
The echo is running well. Been please with it so far
Both good saws. I think a better comparison would be the husqvarna 460 . Since the echo is 59 cc's
Yeah the husky is 55cc
I tried posting a link to an online seller for a better chain loop for both saws, but the comment disappeared. I'll email a link if you have an addy listed. As others have suggested there is better chain. Try Oregon 72EXL in 72 drive length loops for the 455 and 70dl for the echo I believe. Buy online for best pricing, but for best info and product go find a good dealer instead of the big box stuff. Stihl 33RS is really good but much more expensive as is the Husqvarna version of big boy chain
I got your email. Thanks a lot
If you just type the replacement chain 72lpx70cq but leave the cq out youll get a list of non kickback chains that still perform well when boring woth tip. LGX70g are good too but riskier with the tip.
good info. thanks!
@@FlatCreekOutdoors any time I can help lol. Amazon has better prices than stores of you have prime account
Don’t think your chains were equal. When you sharpened did you reset the rackers?
yes
The Husky has the advantage of lubricating its storage location with bar oil😉.
Echos chain is also a safety chain if it's what came on your saw.
I was a Stihl guy through and through but last year I realized Husqvarna and Stihl don't make anything close the CS590 in value (ie; a 60cc pro-grade saw with a split crankcase that will pull a 24" bar). Both companies have saws as good and better but you won't get your hands on one for under $800.
On top of that, swap out the muffler & coil, and open up the exhaust and you have a CS620p
I have several saws. A 240 husky, 460 rancher, I also have both 490 and 590 echo saws and I'm just not a husky fan. They seem under powered for what you pay for them. I always reach for the echoes.
Should I get the cs4910 for $360 or the timber wolf for $420, in your opinion
You should try a real Husky saw (XP)
@@JenkinsMowing86 the echo is half the price of the husky and it outperforms it in all the reviews I've seen. The husky is prob build better but I'm not in it for 700 haha
@@brianfreland9065 yeah I'm not bashing Echo a bit I've always had good luck with Echo. Just saying the pro saws compared to the homeowner are a world of difference. Took me a while to make the switch but glad I did with the 550xp. Echo makes a pro 50cc for like $150 cheaper(501P). Cool saws man and built a lot stronger
This particular comparison goes in Echo's favor but there's a ton of models Husqvarna makes that Echo can't compete with
Personally I like echo instead of the other two (husq and Stihl) because it just doesn’t whine as much. The hutch pitch, which most don’t care about, is SERIOUSLY annoying for me so I like the fact it generates a “lower” pitch when cutting.
As far as the way tit cuts compared to the other two names mentioned. At a certain point they’re all the same.
The differences are the Bella and whistles, which as a homeowner I don’t care about.
The one thing I can tell you is that the better names, like the three mentioned here (Stihl, husq, echo) tend to be more balanced than cheaper names so that is a serious plus when cutting (used a cheaper saw and compared it to those three and it was complete difference in behavior of the saw, it didn’t violently vibrate to the point where it caused hand/arm fatigue and I never complain even post cancer surgery)
As far as chains. Look at sticking with better chains that are geared for the type of wood and weather conditions maple chains cut harder wood better depending on bar length and some even operare better in colder weather than others, and there are quite a few, such as Gil skip, semi skip, half chisel, full chisel, and everything in between.
Also, noticed that Stihl bar oil is best for all around cutting and it tends to do a better job than the cheaper stuff
ONE BIG NOTE:
Lucas 2 Stroke engine oil and sea foam helped ALOT, and I’m not kidding it helped ALOT, with the smell, and carbon discharge from the engine.
I will never run a saw without those two added with higher octane fuel sbeccasse I feel it just runs better overall, starts up and heats up faster and nicer and I have less headaches overall.
Oh yeah and sea foam has the nice additional attribute that it is a fuel stabilizer, so if you don’t use fuel for about a month I you don’t have to worry about it.
Try those things out and tel me what you think. I think with Stihl Barbour, Lucas 2stroke and sea foam with better gas, you will notice it too😊😊
Have you done the innner muffler outlet deflector removal mod and removed the limiter caps? Picks up a little bit of power and response. The cut time results don't surprise me since both saws are close to equal in power. Overall there is no equal to the Echo CS-590 in the "farm and ranch" class in my opinion. Superior engine design and durability.
I have not done any mods yet. the best mod so far has been keeping a sharp chain on it. With all the dirty firewood I've been cutting its a sharpen every day kind of thing. I need to get a semi chisel chain
@@FlatCreekOutdoors, if the wood is really dirty and cutting a lot of it, I'd look into a carbide chain. Is not for clean logs but sure beats stopping all the time to resharpen the chain in dirty wood.
I use the spikes to guide the saw and not put extra pressure on the cut. I do a lot of what you are doing by reaching to the other side to finish the cut up or down in front of me depending on the pressure. I often wonder if we didn’t have the epa interference we would have much lighter saws that are manufactured to get optimal performance out of their two cycle engines. There is no reason why we can’t have 6hp out of a saw that size.
That Echo should pickup a lil more once it's broken in. For the price of that 590 it's well worth it.
i like the oregon pro chains they cut nice but in my experience the husqvarna chains cut just as well but are a bit more durable but also more expensive i also prefer a 24 inch bar over the 20 the saw seems to have plenty of power for it and its a great length for bucking.i did hog out the muffler a little and it seems to make it run just a little better
I think he should have kept the bar more horizontal
The 455 sounds like the high throttle adjustment is a little low.
I would think coarse chips a faster cut but that doesn't mean its the saws fault
I think the echo has a bit more in it. I noticed the second time you ran it, it was ruining a bit rich. Maybe the air filter is getting a little or dirty or the carb may need a tweak. If the carb needs a tweak, I'd leave it alone til you run 5-10 tanks through it.
I've heard that's kindof how these echo saw run. There are a bunch of videos of people doing mods to get these saws to run faster.
It’s mostly what I run is the echo 590. Longer stroke on these saws. Lots of torque. Keep a sharp chain and crank on it a bit it’ll stay full tilt pulling a full 20” cut. Almost impossible to lean them up for some reason. Something funky with the carbs. They have a hugely oversized carb for a 59 cc from what I gather.
@@joleylight300 Stroke does not increase torque, cubic inch does. Increasing bore has the same effect as increasing stroke.
Carb size has nothing to do with rich or lean. You could take a carb of a 30cc saw and put it on this saw and it would run fine, just down on power. You could take a carb off of a 90cc and put on this saw and it would run fine, maybe pic up power. I have a 64cc saw with a carb from a 90cc saw on it. Carbs work off of the venturi effect. The more air the engine draws in the more fuel it pulls also.
@Tractor Tech oh! After turning my brain on for a second the carb thing makes total sense.
But how does stroke length change performance on a two stroke vs a four stroke?
Theoretically a saw with the same cc could run a longer stroke right?
I just like learning. Thanks for the knowledge!
@@TractorTech there’s a reply below this reply lol.
You bought another safety chain!
Oops 🤦♂️
Another of this is tecqunique better approach is to just drop the saws straight through for a better even engine and blade load vs doing the frantic wiggle technique
When my Timberwolf 590 broke in I was pleasantly surprised. But... I'm not a fan of the clutch oiler. The chain gets too hot after a few heavy cuts.
Have you tried adjusting the bar oil screw?
@@countryfriedent
I thought I understood that there is no bar oil screw adjustment on the Timberwolf. Oil only flows when the clutch is engaged and turning the bar.
If there is an oil adjustment, someone please tell me where it is?
@@richardroda4882 just bought one and there is indeed an oiler adjustment screw in bottom slot. It has a symbol molded into the plastic.
590 all the way ---> Best overall for the cash and performance
I tend to think so too. Thanks for watching
Try full throttle 2seconds before you start into the log then don't let off full throttle until cut is done
thx will do.
That's not a safety chain on that Husky. Well it is but it isn't the type with the raised portion on the link right next to the rakers 🤷♂️ Looks like you did a pretty good job filing it though
I've been considering an Echo saw, use Dolmar and Stihl currently.
Echo rules
When you said it was a surprising result, I thought you were going to say the Husqvarna won. Of course the ECHO is going to win! No surprise there! 😆
Exactly! I was surprised how close it was. Take care!
Please tighten the chain on your echo. Evertime I loose one it's because it is loose. You should be just fine doing. But.... better safe than sorry.
The Husky does not sound good at Max RPM, needs to be fine tuned
Hardly no difference between the two know. Both good saws and almost the same just different manufacturers.
I was surprised how close it was, really. I thought the Echo would have smoked the Husky, but it was really close
That bar is plenty long to cut straight down through that log, would give better and more realistic times than running the saw around the log..
The chain on the echo is oregon. It's stamped on the side links.
I could see that, but wasnt sure if it was the exact model of chain. Oregon has numerous types of chains listed on their site.
The Echo was definitely the winner.
agree
Factory sharpened chains are done terribly.
I learned that they don’t do a good job sharpening them and that when you put a new chain on, always sharpen it yourself. I think they do it on purpose for some kind of liability, just a guess
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To do the comparison correctly you should use two new chains, exact same brand and type of chains, one on each saw. Hand sharpening a chain completely ruins the comparison, there is no way to know if you sharpened it correctly. You would also need to use the same gas, and even then it depends on how you cut, how hard you push and if you keep the motor at its peak horsepower. I have a Husky and its been fairly reliable but its gotten a little difficult to start after 20 years. The Echo doesn't seem to be running right in this video.
yeah, I don't really care about being super-precise with it. I knew the echo should have been ahead of the husky. This is the real world, and this shows in the real world there's not as much difference between the two saws as some might expect.
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Only good thing that husky motor is good for is a scooter
590 avg. Is actually 10.75 because of tree being smaller and the last two cuts shown were even with husky's last two on new chain. Cant combine all four cuts on 590 and get a accurate avg. like that.
STIHL!!!
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Ahhh hahhh fks
ECHO for gold
You seem like a nice guy, however ever you seem to have little knowledge of saw chain, as none of those are professional chains. Also you are bogging the saws by means of the bumper spikes, that's not what they are for. also, the 455 clearly is in need of some carb tuning. over all, I think this video is a total fail.
thx for the feedback. pro chains or not, each saw got the same chain for the test so its a pretty fair real-world comparison.
"Bumper Spikes"..........?!
I hope nobody's trying to learn anything from this video...
Make a better video and let us know how it goes. Thanks for watching!