Vang Comp Sleeper 870
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
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I'v purchased three old Police 870's this year. All manufactured in the 1980's when Remington still made good firearms. All have rifle sights, extended mag tubes and sling attachments. Good bluing and no rust, furniture is good with light battle scars.
Amazing, almost 40 years old and they’ve been tossed around and kept inside vehicles, and no rust.
@@travzworld When I was a patrol officer we would clean shotguns in the vehicles every Saturday morning. Who ever was on day shift got that job. Guns stayed pretty rust free but the racks we kept them in really beat up the gun.
I ran the Mossy500 or 590 before I lost them on that lake trip. That's one reason why I kept wood furniture.
Man, do I miss those but it's so deep there that I'd need to go tri-mix to have enough time on the bottom to have any chance to find them.
Alas!
I lost my Idey in a flood
Was listening to Darryl Bolke awhile back talk about the same concept of a low profile, Court friendly gun. They definitely make a lot of sense for someone who travels to restrictive states frequently or sadly lives in one.
no it doesnt, its a really stupid thing to even consider unless you plan on murdering people
I fully agree with you. I live in a fairly gun-friendly county in a restrictive state (actually, fairly close to the county that the NYSRPA v. Corlett case came from), but I don’t want to take my chances.
But why would you travel with a pew-pew to a restricted state? I think you're just asking for trouble then. I live in a restrictive state and all my toys stay in the house. I'm not going to take any chances.
@@AK-47ISTHEWAY uh wut? My guns are not toys, they’re tools to protect myself and my loved ones. Why would I go into a restricted state unarmed, when statistically many of those states are some of the most dangerous parts of the country.
@@TheGodfather-sp9xk Uh ok. Just don't get caught because they will most likely throw the book at you especially if you are from out of state and you travel to someplace like New Jersey or New York City. You are going to spend the few decades in prison. I know for a fact that those two states do not honor concealed carry permit holders from out of state.
As a lifelong Virginia resident I can assure you it didn't go "blue" over night. Metro areas go left, rural areas vote for the right, and then a few of us are pro freedom and doomed by either side lol
First firearm I ever bought, an 870 turkey camo 24”. Chopped the barrel to 18” and installed a s big dot bead. It’s got a 18” vent rib barrel. Super sleeper.
I really like the corn cob fore end on the older "crowd pleasers"".
I scored a wood furniture 1300 defender a few years back & i'm glad i held out for a wood one.
Not everything has to be plastic & anodized
About five years ago I picked up a pair of 870P Magnums from the PA State Police for cheap. No barrels, a little banged up, and very dirty. I figured I'd mess with them later. Recently we (my 18 y/o) treated one to gently used wood furniture took off the Surefire light that it came with and went over it all. Other than a +2, it looks new. My boy (and I) are really proud of it. The boy has a hard-on for original, while I love the totally tacti-cool look. Cody at VC has it in his shop now getting the machine/smithing work done. Can't wait to get it back. Cody is a cool guy!
This is the first I've heard about a Vang Comp barrel optimized for Federal FliteControl - "..they have one better for FliteControl..." (around 3:36). I'm only familiar with the back boring and porting Vang Comp has been doing for decades. I'll ask Hans or Cody as I'm certain I'll run into both of them in the next few weeks. I would call Hans right now if I wasn't certain I'll see him in person in the next few weeks.
I have an LE trade-in Wingmaster with the full Vang Comp treatment - back bore, ports, sighting system, Cerakote. My experience with a Vang Comp barrel and Federal FliteControl, both 8 (LE13300) and 9 (LE13200) pellet loads, is that the FliteControl pattern is larger beyond 10 yards versus the pattern of FliteControl alone in a regular cylinder choke barrel. The FliteControl wad is slightly negatively impacted by the opened and longer forcing cone. The FliteControl wad seems to pattern better with fixed cylinder choked barrels than it does with fixed improved choked barrels. Chokes tighter than cylinder seem to deform the wad cup and FliteControl's technology to get a tight pattern is the wad cup. I have 4 870's to use for side-by-side comparison.
It's been my experience that a Vang Comp barrel with regular Remington Managed Recoil 00 buck (RL12BK00) performs pretty close to a cylinder barrel using FliteControl.
As always, every shotgun is different and you should pattern your guns with your chosen ammo and I've done that extensively so this is my experience and my experience alone.
John, I had the same result with my “non-optimized” VCS 870. With FFC 8 or 9 pellet OO, it patterned just as tightly as Royal Rio, Remington, S&B or any other run of the mill OO buck. I patterned at 5-10-15-20-25 and patterns did not exceed a 12” spread even at 25. Good to know I won’t need a FFC optimized bbl, as I know FFC doesn’t always pattern as tightly in a standard VCS bbl as one would like.
Yeah the Vang Barrel basically makes cheap buckshot into FC. :)
my 870 Express, Walmart Special $175 can shoot as accurate as my Beretta’s. Rock Solid reliable with 5k+ round through it. Love it
@@poolee77 thanks bud! I’m also going to get another 870. Probably a 3.5”
Picked up a 870 Wingmaster from the Ohio National Guard for $250 and have been contemplating between leaving it stock or sending it to Vang. On one hand I have a genuine surplus "weapon of war" that is in its purest form. On the other I got a great deal and could optimize it with a Vang treatment.
I love me some VangComp...
I would have them work over a second barrel for use and keep the first barrel for authenticity. best of both worlds.
@@elund408 I hadn't thought of that, thanks! Glad I posted in the comments.
@@elund408 exactly what I would do, buy a 2nd barrel to get worked on and keep the stock barrel.
John, I’m sure you must know this, that you could make a plug to limit that gun to three shots if you really did want to hunt with it. But in case you never had a hunting shotgun, all semi and pump hunting shotguns have wooded dowel or plastic plugs to limit from 5 to 3 shells.
I love this shotgun. Beautiful, gentile and yet viciously effective. A light on the barrel and your good to defend the homestead.
I have the 870 hardwood. It’s got the tube extension but I really like the sights on yours!!
Hans Vang is a very nice man who stands by his work. I knew him in Isla Vista, CA.
Love the old school looking shotguns. I just built a 590 in a similar configuration and it is smooth as butter. 8+1 capacity in a nice and small package
“Column of nasty”
Sounds like a nickname taken from inside your gun safe!
Haha!
Vang Comp shotguns are simply the best. Their components are more well thought out and function better than any others!
“Every shotgun is a snowflake.”
So, if I refer to my 870 as she, it will tell me to watch my pronouns? Thats not good.
😆
Looks good and a good 870 can run hard and fast.
I would like to find some kind of sling for my Tac-14 so that it could just be dropped when transitioning to a handgun.
I really want a Remington 870 Police Magnum!!
If this panic ever subsides, watch gunbroker for police trade ins. I got mine for $230 in 2017. It's a Washington state patrol gun, made in 88.
Those cat ears crack me up every time.😂
Excellent video. We need more thought on the "sleeper" or "low profile" home defense/personal defense mindset. We know during this hyper-political time we are in, too do as much forethought as possible.
I think it's worth thinking about, depending on where you are. Arizona? Not much of a problem. Portland, OR? Biiiiiiig problem.
Personal opinion is it's ridiculous this is even a topic of conversation. If deadly force is permitted why does it matter what gun is used, with that being said I understand how far off we have come from the constitution and its meaning.
@@John5.56 its just a stupid thing people say, like racking a shotgun scaring the bad guy away. gets repeated so much people stop thinking about it being really dumb
that sling looks to be handy
Does the porting really help? I have never shot a ported 12ga. It would be nice to keep the power and reduce the recoil.
Yes it really helps.
The Vang Comp porting made a gigantic difference in recoil on my 870. The barrel work also make the action really smooth. I only wish I had stayed with a front bead and passed on the ghost ring sights.
Love that Vang Comp stuff!!!
It seems like the vang comp barrels that are optimized for non-flight control ammo seem to underperform when using flight control ammo.
Not underperform. Perform well, just not completely optimized.
Nice to see the capabilities of a Vang Comp modified rifle.
*shotgun
@ASPextra I was to lazy to spell it all out while working.
what do you think of mercury recoil reducer installed in the stock?
Our's did. Even though my wife & I knew his Familia for yrs, he still outlined how he'd want, or not want, his range ceiling, to not look like. I like being respectful of another person's shooting range. 2nd home I suppose. I like that
Great recoil control
Thanks John
Are they back in stock on parts?
I messaged Cody the other day and he said they should have parts next week.
I just picket up some wood furniture on flebay, was wondering if that wood furniture will go onto my marine magnum no problem? I have the shorter bolt and washer plate
Hmmm it should but I can’t say definitively.
John, that thing is so sweet.
It really is.
That would hurt.
So you are left handed 100%, pistols and rifle.
Happy to see that a regular rifle can suit a left handed.
My issue: left handed and shoot left hand for rifle and right hand for pistols.
I ´m looking for any advice on that configuration. New to the "game", thanks to everybody
Not really a challenge honestly. Just shoot! :)
Active Self Protection Extra Thanks a lot for your reply, let's go !
That shotgun threaded for chokes would be perfect for me. I currently run a shockwave with a brace and choke.
SVTBansheeman the whole idea of the VangComp system is you don’t need chokes
@@claytonwoolfe I looked up what it is after reading your response. I would have to talk to them and discuss. I very seldom shoot buckshot. This isn't for home defense.
It’s not a matter of what anybody thinks you want it’s a matter of putting a choke on a VangComp barrel would literally net you nothing the barrel itself is fixed choke. arguably the shot deformation going thru the choke would make your gun group poorer than just the barrel. But you do you my man
Roger. Yeah this concept is more or less to improve the cylinder bore pattern on defensive shotguns
@@claytonwoolfe I messaged vang comp to see what they say. I'm concerned with the pattern of multiple types of shells. That's it. Yes, I will do me. Good suggestion👍
The cat ears return!
lol
hi can you please give me the specs on the wilderness. tactical sling. I wish to get the same setup for my 870 Remington shotgun. also the attachment (metal) that goes on the Magazine extension tube. thank you very much
I don't know any indoor ranges that let you fire shotguns.
How many shotguns come with a mechanical rear sight?
I haven't patterned my clay gun. Why?
1. Most will, but not birdshot.
2. Very few. This is a defensive gun not a bird gun.
3. Because birdshot patterns highly differently than buckshot.
@@ASPextra Maybe in Az? Not were I live.
If the gun is a tool, then, mine is multi-purpose. Clays, birds, pest control..
A typical 870 or 1100, maybe dual beads, muzzle and center. My 1100 and 870 always a home defense gun, well before the tactic-cool culture.
Shotguns, home defense, point and shoot. Simplicity no aiming.
Even birds, clays, deer, pest never aiming like a rifle. Most people likely don't know, there's no rear site on a shotgun. Your eye is the rear site, why the mount is important?
How does buckshot pattern different, if you don't overrun the choke.
Physics and hydraulics?
Vang Comp!!!!!! YES!!!!!
My bother-in-law passed away and he left me his Wingmaster 870 shotgun. I think it's a 12 gauge, but I'm am not familiar with shotguns. I'm taking it to my gun shop near my house.
While you were taking 5 days to get your aim at 15 yds., you were lit up by an intruder's 8 rounds of 9 mm ammo.
5 days?
Great video. What does Vang Comp call that particular sight combo, with the hi-vis front and the quick acquisition rear?
I think they call it a high vis pistol sight combo.
@@ASPextra Thank you!
@@ASPextra Also, for home defense I think you want the speed for your sights. Can't believe some folks are putting "windage and elevation" sights on an 18.5" shotgun.
@@Ghosted760 You can still hunt deer with it using slugs. My uncle has an 870 Police Magnum with a 18-inch barrel that has adjustable rifle sights on it. He uses it for hunting.
I’m disappointed that Remington discontinued the all black version of this.
What do you mean the all black. As in furniture?
Nelson R Yes
@@MyBlackandRedCZ I don't think so. I saw them in stock everywhere just before Covid and the riots
Nelson R I have no doubt they were around before all of this happened but now they’re all bought out. I can’t find them anywhere and on Remington’s website it wasn’t listed.
@@MyBlackandRedCZ You need to look at Remington Defense website
Did he mention they change the spring and follower when you send it to vangcomp 🤔
No I forgot to mention that.
Pull rack. Pull rack. Come on man! ;)
These are the things you get when your dad is a gun guy. I mean my dad has guns and likes them but he’s not a “gun guy”.😂
What sling is that? Pd used to have something like it cant remember what brand tho
www.thewilderness.com/doublepoint-sling/doublepoint-sling/ choose the controlled stretch model.
How much recoil reduction do you get with the barrel porting?
Some reduction in muzzle rise.
why is it desirable to have no spread at 10 yards with a home defense shotgun?
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at 15 yards aim for the chin,
I love the shotgun
What sights are on there?
They're Rob Haught pistol sights.
Isn't it sad that people have to be concerned about the appearance of the firearm they choose for home defense?
Grandpa's old Garand will put fist-sized holes through people, but somehow it's not as scary as the souped-up .22 with the plastic furniture.
Optics matters in the world in which we live, unfortunately.
where did they get that furniture on that?
It was on the gun already. Police trade in.
@@ASPextra that is really nice
I would have had them cut a [-slot in the buttpad (where it fits against the wood) for your sling strap. Then again, I don't like strap-on slings for tactical use.
No white light?
Again, this is a LOW PRO shotgun. Very low key.
The dome splitter
Aim high one shot one kill unless you're concerned with what the prosecutor has to say about it
Virginia's good and red now
You sure about that?
@@ASPextra I thought the election went red sears won she is 2a all the way several good reds as far as 2a have been elected the last week for virginia specifically
I love the content, but why does he have cat ears on again?
They’re fun. Full stop.
Dig the "bat hat"
Ports? Not my cup of tea. Still pretty cool.
How do you know that 870 doesn’t identify as a Mossberg 500? Always remember to ask and check your privilege. LOL
#4 bro ....number four
Nope. Never.
I like your cat ears
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What sling?
I use Wilderness Tactical Limited Stretch 2 point slings.
Doesn't a new 870 cost 300 dollars?????
Not a 870 Police. The Express guns that they sell today are junk unfortunately.
daddy loves a shotgun!
This is not just any 870..it's a sleeper.
Me: Does it shoot 12g? Okay, so it s a normal shotgun
Well, yes and no.
@@ASPextra How so John?
I explained how in the video.
Sleeper gun.. pfffff
It nice shot gun. 350$ went to 800$. I am guessing
People who are all about immediate compliance are part of the problem, sir
Shit
I thought this was Vickers
Nice gay cat boy ears pastor
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My last knife cost me $360 bucks, lol.
I don't buy guns less than $1200.
I'm about to build a Gucci Sig Sauer P226. :-)
Hey, if you have the scratch, there's nothing wrong with enjoying the finer things in life. :)
@@ASPextra Thanks for understanding, friend. :-)
Ugg.
When you pattern a shotgun..
It's ONE rd for each NEW piece of paper.
Smh.
Yeah you know handguns.
Not so much when it comes to shotguns.
It's almost like you are trying to cover up the results.
Sorry for the harshness.
I have learned SO much from your channel.
Everyone gets firsts.. before anyone gets 2nds.
Counter ambush.
Never draw on a gun.
Mental preparedness.
Etc...
Great channel.
Why a sling in a home defence shotgun???
Because you might want/need to take both hands off it to do stuff.
@@ASPextra ok i'm at a loss. Someone has just awakened me breaking into my house. I grab my 870 and go to investigate. The last thing i am going to do is take my hands off my weapon. I'm curious. In a defensive situation' what would cause to take your hands off your weapon???
To render aid to a family member or other innocent party? To be able to put both hands up and show responding LE that you are not a threat? Any number of reasons. Use your imagination. Real defensive encounters don't always stick to the script we have in our heads.
Discussed it a bit here: ua-cam.com/video/H4mxKDsNzpU/v-deo.html
@@ASPextra i would never tell someone how to handle their business. You need to do you. And i hope you never have to defend your home and family. Havr
The ears scream "sexually confused". SMH
Your comment screams “I’m not comfortable in my own skin”
Nice shotgun. Would be a lot cooler if it was a Mossberg 😂
Or an Ithaca Model 37
First comment! Free swag?!?
I can’t take gun advice from a guy with ears on his ear pros.
Ask your doctor if lightening up is for you.
Simple, leave Virginia. Problem solved.
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15 yards REALLY,,, that's 45 feet, you will be going to jail if you shoot somebody at 15 yd ,why you even teaching that , there is no pattern at the "legal 27 ft." For gunning somebody. Just sayin
Not true at all. Go watch the main channel awhile.
Across my living room and kitchen is 17.5 yards. So your saying I can't shoot someone in my living room from my bedroom door? Kelso, you're a sorely misinformed and need to re-educate yourself before making absurd comments like this.
It doesn’t look anything like a duck gun
It’s been tricked out, which can be a liability.
No, you're off on both counts.
@@ASPextra
Actually no. I might suggest you read Mr. Ayoob suggestions on not tricking guns out for self defense as it pertains to court room appearance. Second, go look at waterfowl guns from the last 40 years. Other than guys shooting snow geese, they have limited magazine. This gun does not look “identical to grandpa’s duck gun”. It’s a great shotgun, but it has been souped up and it doesn’t look like a duck gun. No offense, just difference in opinion. And, my plain Jane 870 patterns the same as yours with that ammo. By the way, enjoy your channel and thanks for doing it. I think you are giving too much credit to the wood stock. :)
LOL I am a MAG Deadly Force Instructor, MAG40 graduate, and have asked Mas about this ON CAMERA. You're wrong. To the average non-shooter, this looks EXACTLY like Grandpa's duck gun. To an actual hunter, who knows and understands firearms, it looks ever so slightly different. Who will be on the jury, exactly? What are the chances that the DA is a firearms enthusiast, exactly?
@@ASPextra
Look, I appreciate all your class room achievements. But, you aren’t the only one who has taken classes. I appreciate the “academic” aspect of this conversation. But my opinion, is that it’s a nice shotgun. It’s also on the line as far as firearm that has been enhanced. Yes, good questions. And, if you are ever in an actual shooting you don’t want to give the DA or jurors any “ammo” against you. Just my opinion...and remember the old saying about opinions...your own included. 😂
More importantly, I do hope that your son is well and finally has that shotgun in HIS possession, so that he can protect himself if he ever has to. I believe you said Virginia. Lots of bad DAs there and rough areas too. Did some time in the Army there...some bad places indeed. Anyway, Christ’s blessings to you and yours.
If you ever need more “education” hit me up personally. Take care.
@@lancevaughn5337 It literally looks just like my grandfather's deer hunting shotgun. The only thing I would do to it to make it a sleeper shotgun is take off the extended magazine tube.
Self defenders need to stop worrying about how their weapon or choice in ammunition will effect how they might be percieved if they have to defend themselves in court. Worry more about your knowledge of laws in your area and get professional self defense training.