Alright here's the requested RTX 4090 laptop GPU vs RTX 4080 desktop GPU comparison! ua-cam.com/video/z2531DDo55w/v-deo.html To everyone asking for all sorts of different random laptop vs desktop GPU comparisons - I can't do them all as dedicated videos, but there will be one big video comparing almost all RTX 30/40 laptop and desktop GPUs in some months time, just takes a LONG time to collect all the data (25 games, multiple resolutions, more than 30 GPUs)
I only mean to compare Laptop 4090 with Desktop 4080, because theyre the exact same chip. But i guess for taht could also just look at the power graph of the 4080 desktop lol
To all the people who want the laptop 4090 to be compared with the desktop 4080, i totally agree with you based on information's sake. But those saying that this video comparision is not fair are absolutely wrong as this is what nvidia themselves did to confuse those unaware buyers. If this is what they wanna do, then this shall be what they get.
It's not exactly to confuse the customers, yes it looks that way. You will still get the advatages of a 40 series card in a mobile variant like DLSS 3, except the reason they have degraded the performance is for thermal reasons, laptop's thermals haven't really kept up with the amount of power the newer NVIDIA cards is asking nowadays (a 4090 asks for 450 watts, no way in hell you're going to fit that monstrosity in a 16 inch or even 18 inch laptops). Laptop designers need to design a new thermal solution to make it possible, or NVIDIA needs to design their cards to be more energy efficient without degrading performance.
Exactly, that would be a more logical and interesting comparison. We already knew the naming is irrelevant and I don't need to watch the video to know that the desktop obliterates the laptop 4080. What would actually be interesting is comparing the most powerful laptop to its nearest desktop equivalent based on the specs (not the naming)
true, RTX 4080 Mobile is using AD104 that is also used by RTX4070TI and RTX4070 desktop variant. RTX 4090 mobile is using AD103 that is used in RTX4080 desktop variant.
Dude modern day laptops are nuts... Of course the desktop is (almost) always going to come out on top, but you're looking at a totally acceptable competitor at 1/8th the size factor (including monitors, keyboards, etc for the desktop.) and half the wattage. Desktops are always going to be the "way to go" in terms of raw power (and usually price), but damn have these laptops come far.
Yeah I don't think direct comparisons are that useful coz laptops and desktops are basically two separate markets. High end Desktops are for people that want the absolute best possible set-up, upgradeability, and space is not an concern. Gaming laptops are for people that travel or have multiple places they stay in, but don't want the hassle of moving a desktop everywhere.. they'll sacrifice some performance and upgradeability for convenience.
@@gman7497 Bingo. If you have a big screen TV or gaming monitor to game on... well... what is the point of a laptop. The 40" to 75" monitor isn't portable, so you might as well put a PC under it. Likewise, if you want a portable device, why lug a big gaming laptop around when a tablet, Surface, or light laptop is fine. It takes an odd use case where you have multiple big monitors/workstations to plug something into and yet need to bring a device between them. Business travel for someone needed a powerful PC is more common, but that kind of graphics is typically overkill.
And then when you're at home you can hook it to an external monitor and plugged that monitor directly into an EGP u enclosure with minimal performance hit using your laptops CPU Indecently have a docking station with full powered desktop card when you're at home... By I used QHD monitor and like new do 4080GPU spend 7052 a $100 on the EGPU and I don't know maybe a 150 on a power supply... Now you're literally within 5% of the desktop card and then can unplug and be at 25% of the performance while on the go...
@@BW022 your point completely misses gaming laptop target market. I'll be always pro desktop just because, as some mentioned, you always can get the best power at the best price compared to laptops. However, I'm right now in a point of my life where I move every month between two houses and I won't probably live in the same city for more than two years or so, also my next job will ask me a lot of travelling probably. Therefore, I want a powerful gaming pc, but I can't get a desktop that could last me 6-7 years like the one I had until now if I need to move and travel so much. In the future if I settle down somewhere? okay, I'll make the best desktop I've ever had, but right now a good laptop that's powerful enough to be able to play everything at max at least at 1080p for the next 4 years or so will do fine. So I think this is the market of gaming laptops and you ware missing all the big picture
@@McBreak332 Sorry, I'm honestly not understanding you. * You move between two houses. That's rare, but ok. Do you have a big TV/monitor at each house? Do you own two houses? Seems like an extra PC would be cheap in comparison. If you don't own them, how do you travel between them? You can put a PC in a car, even pay extra for a smaller PC. If you fly... PC is cheap vs. plane tickets. Travel I can understand, but moving between to fixed places doesn't seem to make sense. Even at work, I don't play that game -- I keep a PC at both places rather than carry a laptop around. * Desktop not lasting. And how does a gaming laptop solve that? They will be obsolete long before a desktop, less upgradable, far more expensive to replace, and far more likely to break (drop, screen, keyboard, battery, etc.)
The desktop version is basically as big as the laptop itself. I'm not surprised by the difference in performance, or rather I am but in favor of the laptop version being so tiny yet so performing with reasonable temperatures
well. The cooler size has benefits of lower temperature and hence lower noise. So for desktop I actually prefer largher cooler for desktop use in exchange for lower noise, which is very important for the actual expericence, especially with a good pair of speakers.
@@tomtang8708 A desktop pc is better for many reasons and I personally prefer it. I'm currently using a laptop because of my job and I have to move often otherwise a desktop would just be better. Quiter, cooler, more performant for the price, if you want to upgrade something you just have to buy the single piece, and last but not least, you can build it however you want and specifically to your needs
Laptop version would perform much better if NVIDIA wasn't so cunning and had put the same die and vram as the desktop version. If they did, the only difference between laptop and desktop would've been in TGP.
Totally agree.. Also please compare these two: "X13 Flow with XG Mobile 3080" vs "4080 Laptop" aka Mobile ...many of us are considering cheap-ish 3080 while in stock (or used)
And because the laptop 4090 is the true successor to the laptop 3080. NIVIDA moved the naming scheme over one notch in the laptops to get people to pay more for less. That's why you can get a 4090 in a laptop this generation but you could only get up to a 3080 before.
It comes with a screen and keyboard, though. And is portable. I'm very torn. My laptop is all but useless after 5 years of ahrd work, and I want to get into sim racing. A gaming laptop makes sense...but desktops appear to be the pick for racing. At the 4070 level, laptops appear cheaper, but then, they are not equal in performance sadly. The higher you go, desktop prices might make more sense for their actual performance?
Hey Jarrod, - thanks for all the reviews. Most helpful. I just picked up a new Legion 7 Gen 8 with the 4080/13900HX, 32GB DDR5-5600 etc, and can validate that the 1% lows are just awful on this machine. The occasional stutters are absolutely crazy-making, especially since the average is so good. I can't figure out exactly what's going on. I. even under-volted the CPU to ensure no thermal throttling, so it's not that. Compared to my 13700K+4090+DDR4 desktop it's a much inferior experience just because of those 1% lows. Do we have any idea what's going on here?
Great comparison. I think including the avg energy cost comparison would show that the laptop really is a eco friendly solution in the long term. That desktop build is going to draw around 700w at best, whereas the laptop is around 330w max.
I think the more relevant comparison is the laptop RTX 4090 which is basically the desktop RTX 4080. I'd like to see what a top-TDP system like the MSI Titan can do, and then a more thin and light mainstream offering like the Razer Blade or Zephyrus M16 can do so we have some ranges to explore.
It would be interesting to see comparison between 4080 desktop and 4090 laptop as they have very similar chip. Also NEO seems to be quite poorly cooled by air as most other 4090 and 4080 laptops don't hit temp limit on GPU, though they are much louder
I think these videos that call out the lameness of the same product name across laptop and desktop are important. I’d like to see same chip comparisons. So a laptop 4090 and desktop 4080 for example.
to me personally nvidia is just borderline scamming people by naming their mobile gpus like their desktop gpus. theyre factually not the same products. bring back the "rtx 4080m" or at least max q naming scheme or people will trust you less year by year. if the laptop 4090 ist weaker than a desktop 4070 something is REALLY wrong.
Hey Jarrod, any update on when your deals website will cover other regions? I don't know what's going on with the market but it seems like whenever a tech UA-camr shows awesome Newegg/Bestbuy laptop deals for like 2,5k$ they are like 4,5k€ in Europe...I thought the whole world is getting hit hard by inflation but I guess Europe is even worse off...or something weird is going on with dealer pricing over here. Kinda ridiculous, anyway would love to see your website cover more areas soon TM.
I still think it's easier to upgrade a laptop because it's easier to sell as long as you take care of it as compared to upgrading parts per piece off of a desktop. But hey everyone has their own preferences .
I fully agree with you. I keep hearing about how PC is upgradeable, but it's not been my experience. CPU on my desktop died 2 months ago - it was Core i5 6600k. But I can't install a new CPU on that motherboard, so I have to replace it as well. Turns out it's hard to find a mini ITX motherboard that fits in my case with Noctua NH-D15, so I might have to get a new CPU cooler too. I'd be happy to swap GTX 1070 for a newer GPU on the occasion, but find me one that provides at least +50% FPS while still being 2 slots and not taking more power, because so far I was running 450 W SFX power supply perfectly fine. Looks like I need a new case and a new power supply then. I guess I could keep my DDR4 RAM, but perhaps if I'm already replacing the entire PC then I should go DDR5? So the only component of my PC that can be re-used in a new PC is the NVME SSD drive.
The difference in power usage means ill be sticking to laptops, i’ll just make sure i watch your video reviews before i buy another, although i really don’t need one right now, so it’ll be a while. Maybe when the 50XX GPU’s are out or my current one breaks.
Hey Jarrod, how good are those TRACER VII EDGE I17E LC 17 laptops from cyberpowerPC? They seem to be cheaper with the new 4080m, 4090m gpus and they are also water cooled. I couldn't find any review of them.
Was looking for videos about RTX 4080 Laptop, clicked on this one and saw you wearing the t-shirt of my favourite band. Instant like! Also, thanks for the great video :)
I know it's too much work, but I'll just throw it out there -- at least highlighting and pointing out the median when you do the multi-game fps comparison at different resolutions might be more valuable than focusing solely on the average. The reason is that there are a few outliers that are affecting the average noticeably enough that the average is not necessarily as representative of the difference as the median would. Anyway, this is a dumb comment, but i've been thinking this each time I watch one of your videos (which I love, BTW; i watch them all), so i figured I would mention it at least one time.....Have a great weekend man.
Suddenly I miss the days when NVIDIA used MaxQ to designate the laptop version of the cards. At least it was clear to average customers that the desktop and laptop graphics cards were two distinct lines of products.
Great comparison video. Thanks a lot. I am missing a benchmark where you undervolt the desktop gpu till it’s nearly drawing as much power than the mobile does. Would be great to see how they performe with similar power usage.
Hey jarrod.on what settings do you test battery life?do you turn on battery saver?because my legion 5 with 6600h and rtx3060 without battery saver lasts for about 4:30 but with battery saver lasts for 6 to 7 hour and still wont reach the 8 hour in your test.battery is 80whr.I appreciate it if you answer😊😊 Great videos by the way❤❤❤
@@TabalugaDragon yes, they used a 1 tier down GPU chip for each segment for laptops. On top of that each chip is "nerfed". Why not used a nerfed Ad102 for 4090 laptop / nerfed ad103 for 4080 laptop etc... At least it's the same GPU chip as its desktop counterpart.
About what I expected. Given the 4090 mobile is around 10 to 15% faster than the 4080 mobile, while the 4090 desktop is around 30% faster than a 4080 desktop, it makes sense that the gap between a 4080 mobile versus desktop is narrower than the gap between a 4090 mobile versus desktop. It would be interesting to make a comparison between the 4090 mobile and the 4080 desktop or the 4070ti.
You can see the comparison of these cards at notebookcheck (UA-cam removes the full link), in general 4080 laptop is faster in some games, slower in others. Same for benchmarks
I got the Asus Strix G18 4080 about 3 weeks ago for $2499 ($2749 after taxes 😡) and it's a beast. Cyberpunk 2077 1080p and 1440p Ultra RT just kills it with no stutters and it barely gets warm. Thermal Grizzly liquid metal on the cpu and gpu makes a world of difference. I haven't run any benchmarks on this one myself since there are a ton of those videos, but worth a look.
Hey I'm also planning to buy the ASUS ROG STRIX G18 RTX 4080 Varient But I have seen that alot of people having the issue of Screen backlight bleed And coil wine So Can you tell me that is there Type of Problem with yours Like screenbleed or coil wine
@@PUBG830 I don't have coil whine with mine I don't think, I have tinnitus so I may just not be hearing it, but my fans so far hardly ever come on past the slowest speeds (except in Stranded Deep for some reason). As far as the backlight bleed, I haven't noticed it, however the backlight is super bright. If your browsing a page that has allot of white on it, it's way too bright. Sorry can't help much, I'm old, blind, and hard of hearing lol.
My question is: Can a 4080 liquid cooled laptop provide a better visual experience on a 4k LG C1 OLED TV than a Xbox Series X when running upcoming games such as Starfield, Diablo IV, GTA VI, etc ? I mean, is it worth ditching XSX for a laptop or just stick with it for gaming a get 'random' heavily discounted laptop for portability and AutoCAD/Solidworks workloads ?
No doubt a laptop with 4080 offers a better visual experience using the same screen when compared to a Series X, the XSX is comparable to a laptop with a RTX 4060 at best.
Would love to see what kind of laptop you'd have to get to meet and exceed the legendary 1080TI desktop card. I realize that may be an unreasonable test, just a wild wonder of mine
Jarrod we already know the naming is irrelevant and I don't need to watch the video to know that the desktop obliterates the laptop 4080. What would be far more interesting is comparing the most powerful laptop to its nearest desktop equivalent based on their specs (not the branding). The Laptop 4090 and desktop 4080 have the same core count and silicon. It would be more interesting to see how much the laptop 4090 is limited by its lower power draw and any cutbacks to the chip design such as fewer RT cores and how much is the discrepancy with ray tracing enabled vs pure rasterisation performance.
Hello Jarrod! What about a video of 4070 vs 4080 laptops, but just with the dlss3 and/or FG also enabled. So we can see if the difference after those options are still pretty big, or if those options reduce the gap between both. Thanks as always!!
@@DeepInsideZettaiRyouikiif your buying/building a pc with that much value, your going to be in a financial situation where you aren’t too worried about power bills. Lol.
Hi Jarrod i have a question for u. I have msi raider ge78hx 4080 i9 13950hx. While playing on external 4k monitor on max settings my gpu temp il like 84-87° C with max fan speed (80ish on 2k laptop monitor) which i guess is in line with your video. Why i keep seeing online laptop reviews with 75ish degrees then?
Hey Jarrod, I really enjoy your content! So, I have a question: Are you planning to do a comparison of the 4090 vs. 4080 vs. 4070 vs. 4060 on the XMG NEO 16 platform ? Also, will there be a bigger NEO 16 Review coming any time soon ? Thanks (:
Please compare same laptop with internal Rtx 4080 and when it's connected to external desktop rtx 4080 via USB-c. I'm curious if it's worth getting any laptop that can better utilize the external rtx 4080 graphics than internal one and get that one for gaming and 3d modeling at home.
like an external gpu enclosure? if so I wouldn't recommend it. the gpu will have worse performance due to bandwidth constraints and the enclusure can be expensive
Hi do u have a vid about switching adpater or gpu, cos may laptop has intel and nvdia, my valorant is lagging done all basic ts, but i think its not the ts, something is not working with my graphics? Is there a way to fix this?
3 months later in my country, there is MSI with their 1970 USD converted, 12900HX RTX4080 selling here. It's probably a bit weaker than the model you shown here but the price difference is massive. I'm definitely getting that laptop since it's so much cheaper now
Hey, I wanted to ask you that you should make a video on laptops we can buy right now And if it's okay to buy laptop with RTX 30 series or we should wait for RTX 40 series laptops
Hey Jarrod.. I'm not really all into tech, so I don't know the difference between cpus but I got the legion 5 rtx 3060, ryzen 5 6600H, but you reviewed the ryzen 7, do you think it's all that difference in gaming???
Not a big difference - Ryzen 5 6600H should be awesome for gaming! I have 1 year older model Legion 5 Pro with RTX 3060 and Ryzen 5 5600H at home and it's great for gaming.
rtx 4090 laptop vs the rtx 4080 desktop would be much more interesting as they're both ad103. I think in that comparison the laptop would look much more impressive.
Could you include the external GPU to comparison too? I mean having ultra portable laptop + eGPU how will it perform comparing to desktop and gaming laptop. Also in terms of price
No external Gpus work as well as having it internally connected via a pcie. USB4 just can't keep up, the most you can use is a 3060ti, above that and you'll be paying for no extra performance.
It would be more interesting comparing 2 GPUs with the same DIE: 4090 Mobile with 4080 Desktop and undervolt the Desktop GPU to be close or match the 4090 Mobile in powerdraw.
I am very impressed woth how close Laptops are actually getting to desktop performance, i remember just 10 years ago, a gaming laptop was not even close to a realistic option but now im considering a gaming laptop for when traveling with work
For a laptop with a 4080 GPU, it's more powerful than the desktop options you suggested for artificial intelligence tasks. However, considering the energy consumption, let's calculate the electricity cost difference over 3 years. Assuming 250 watts for 8 hours of operation daily equals 2 kilowatt-hours, which costs about $0.6. Multiplying this by 300 days a year and 3 years gives $540. Considering the likely higher energy consumption difference, a laptop's total cost over 3 years becomes comparable to that of a desktop
Does being in a Air Conditioned Room with 18-20° temperature help in cooling the components for air cooling ? As Fan could literally suck Cold air than just normal room temperature
It does, i notice different cpu and gpu temp difference just by played cities skylines when playing at day and at night on room without air conditioning just regular fan
My hot take: Nvidia should've named their 4090 laptop GPU as 4080 instead since the performance difference isn't far off with the 4080 desktop. It will save them from the "not really a 40*0" cycle.
Why do people care about laptop / desktop comparisons?!?! If you want a laptop, you are gonna get a laptop regardless If you want to play all the latest games at the highest settings, you are gonna get a desktop. It's a pointless comparison. Comparing a 150W GPU with a 300W GPU is laughable.
It's kind of a 'for science' comparison (that he has done for a couple gens now). The scope of the video wasn't to prove what gaming laptop enthusiasts already know or to rant about the naming, it was just to show people the actual performance between the two closely named products so that you can help yourself and help others that might not understand the difference. Agreed that 'what desktop model does this M model compare to' vids would be interesting, and plenty are also asking (nicely) for that, so maybe team JT will do those.
So the problem is in the absolutely stupid naming and pricing. If there is no any productivity matching why do they call laptop 4080 as 4080? why not 4060 if it performs as 4060? - Just for to lie and steal customers money, that is why.
Honestly, should compare laptop 4090 with the desktop 4080, judging based on everything, iam guessing diff may be around 20-25%? As if they couldnt put the chipset according to name for laptops as well.. so stupid and sneaky by Nvidia
Well all the tests that I've seen, that compare the laptop 4080 to a desktop 4070 seem to show near identical performance. What I can't seem to verify is the GDDR type. Because the desktop 4070 and 4070Ti both use GDDR6X but I've seen varying answers, does the Laptop 4080 (aka desktop 4070) also use GDDR6X?
Hi guys, any suggestions for a great all rounder laptop that has decent battery life (6hr ish browsing chrome and ms word/excel) and decent gaming performance (medium-high setting at 1080p 70ish FPS) thank you a lot
Lenovo Legion 5. The Legion 5 pro is in case you're looking for something more (the one i own, ez 100-120fps at 2k) Most MSI or ASUS will do just as fine, I just personally love the overall build quality of the Lenovos
You’d need to tell budget. In my country last gen gpu options are: 1. HP Omen 16 - i7 13700h, 3060 6GB - 144hz 2. HP Omen 16 - Ryzen 7 5800H, RX 6600m 8GB - 144hz 3. Lenovo Legion 5 - i7 13700h - 3060 6GB - 165hz Legion and Omen are absolutely best performers in thermals, mux switch, display colors…. Although you can also go for ASUS ROG, Zephyrus. I’d suggest to get at least 8GB VRAM tho as it will be better in long run. For battery, It’s hard to have 6hr battery life in any gaming laptop.
Alright here's the requested RTX 4090 laptop GPU vs RTX 4080 desktop GPU comparison! ua-cam.com/video/z2531DDo55w/v-deo.html
To everyone asking for all sorts of different random laptop vs desktop GPU comparisons - I can't do them all as dedicated videos, but there will be one big video comparing almost all RTX 30/40 laptop and desktop GPUs in some months time, just takes a LONG time to collect all the data (25 games, multiple resolutions, more than 30 GPUs)
@@TabalugaDragon Maybe, I just have my doubts as to how well the video would actually do. Do that many people actually care about that?
What exactly is 1% low?
I only mean to compare Laptop 4090 with Desktop 4080, because theyre the exact same chip. But i guess for taht could also just look at the power graph of the 4080 desktop lol
@@vishalsg the lowest fps rate that happens at the lowest 1% occurence. Pretty much the lowest fps rate throughout usage
Just 4090 laptop vs 4080 desktop please 🙏🏻
To all the people who want the laptop 4090 to be compared with the desktop 4080, i totally agree with you based on information's sake. But those saying that this video comparision is not fair are absolutely wrong as this is what nvidia themselves did to confuse those unaware buyers. If this is what they wanna do, then this shall be what they get.
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It will never be same as the watts are difference so it's should not be having the same name
Idk why everyone is saying this is inaccurate because it's literally what's advertised.
Still, that comparison 4900m vs 4800 desktop would be interesting to see ...
It's not exactly to confuse the customers, yes it looks that way. You will still get the advatages of a 40 series card in a mobile variant like DLSS 3, except the reason they have degraded the performance is for thermal reasons, laptop's thermals haven't really kept up with the amount of power the newer NVIDIA cards is asking nowadays (a 4090 asks for 450 watts, no way in hell you're going to fit that monstrosity in a 16 inch or even 18 inch laptops).
Laptop designers need to design a new thermal solution to make it possible, or NVIDIA needs to design their cards to be more energy efficient without degrading performance.
The cost for desktop should also include similar display, speaker, and keyboard vs laptop
Yeah that would be helpful
Well, even it included. Although it may cost same. I believe desktop is way better overall. Better display, better speaker, everything else
100% agree
I've had the same screens/mouse/keyboards across my last 3 desktops. So no, don't include them.
Those are user variant, raw performance is only what's compared here
you should compare desktop 4080 to laptop 4090, then it's pretty much identical specs except the energy use
U can underolt the pc gpu with no performance impact
There's like maybe a 10-15% uplift between the laptop 4080 and 4090 at best
Exactly, that would be a more logical and interesting comparison. We already knew the naming is irrelevant and I don't need to watch the video to know that the desktop obliterates the laptop 4080. What would actually be interesting is comparing the most powerful laptop to its nearest desktop equivalent based on the specs (not the naming)
true, RTX 4080 Mobile is using AD104 that is also used by RTX4070TI and RTX4070 desktop variant. RTX 4090 mobile is using AD103 that is used in RTX4080 desktop variant.
It's pretty clear Nvidia just bumped the names of their laptop chips up one tier.
Dude modern day laptops are nuts... Of course the desktop is (almost) always going to come out on top, but you're looking at a totally acceptable competitor at 1/8th the size factor (including monitors, keyboards, etc for the desktop.) and half the wattage. Desktops are always going to be the "way to go" in terms of raw power (and usually price), but damn have these laptops come far.
Yeah I don't think direct comparisons are that useful coz laptops and desktops are basically two separate markets. High end Desktops are for people that want the absolute best possible set-up, upgradeability, and space is not an concern. Gaming laptops are for people that travel or have multiple places they stay in, but don't want the hassle of moving a desktop everywhere.. they'll sacrifice some performance and upgradeability for convenience.
@@gman7497 Bingo. If you have a big screen TV or gaming monitor to game on... well... what is the point of a laptop. The 40" to 75" monitor isn't portable, so you might as well put a PC under it. Likewise, if you want a portable device, why lug a big gaming laptop around when a tablet, Surface, or light laptop is fine. It takes an odd use case where you have multiple big monitors/workstations to plug something into and yet need to bring a device between them. Business travel for someone needed a powerful PC is more common, but that kind of graphics is typically overkill.
And then when you're at home you can hook it to an external monitor and plugged that monitor directly into an EGP u enclosure with minimal performance hit using your laptops CPU Indecently have a docking station with full powered desktop card when you're at home... By I used QHD monitor and like new do 4080GPU spend 7052 a $100 on the EGPU and I don't know maybe a 150 on a power supply... Now you're literally within 5% of the desktop card and then can unplug and be at 25% of the performance while on the go...
@@BW022 your point completely misses gaming laptop target market. I'll be always pro desktop just because, as some mentioned, you always can get the best power at the best price compared to laptops. However, I'm right now in a point of my life where I move every month between two houses and I won't probably live in the same city for more than two years or so, also my next job will ask me a lot of travelling probably. Therefore, I want a powerful gaming pc, but I can't get a desktop that could last me 6-7 years like the one I had until now if I need to move and travel so much. In the future if I settle down somewhere? okay, I'll make the best desktop I've ever had, but right now a good laptop that's powerful enough to be able to play everything at max at least at 1080p for the next 4 years or so will do fine. So I think this is the market of gaming laptops and you ware missing all the big picture
@@McBreak332 Sorry, I'm honestly not understanding you.
* You move between two houses. That's rare, but ok. Do you have a big TV/monitor at each house? Do you own two houses? Seems like an extra PC would be cheap in comparison. If you don't own them, how do you travel between them? You can put a PC in a car, even pay extra for a smaller PC. If you fly... PC is cheap vs. plane tickets. Travel I can understand, but moving between to fixed places doesn't seem to make sense. Even at work, I don't play that game -- I keep a PC at both places rather than carry a laptop around.
* Desktop not lasting. And how does a gaming laptop solve that? They will be obsolete long before a desktop, less upgradable, far more expensive to replace, and far more likely to break (drop, screen, keyboard, battery, etc.)
The desktop version is basically as big as the laptop itself. I'm not surprised by the difference in performance, or rather I am but in favor of the laptop version being so tiny yet so performing with reasonable temperatures
Exactly, when Jays two Cents showed the size comparison over the years I was blown away at the 4090s size.
I mean like, yes, but 5 years ago we had Rog G703s with gtx1080s actually OUTMATCHING the desktop gtx1080
well. The cooler size has benefits of lower temperature and hence lower noise. So for desktop I actually prefer largher cooler for desktop use in exchange for lower noise, which is very important for the actual expericence, especially with a good pair of speakers.
@@tomtang8708 A desktop pc is better for many reasons and I personally prefer it. I'm currently using a laptop because of my job and I have to move often otherwise a desktop would just be better. Quiter, cooler, more performant for the price, if you want to upgrade something you just have to buy the single piece, and last but not least, you can build it however you want and specifically to your needs
Laptop version would perform much better if NVIDIA wasn't so cunning and had put the same die and vram as the desktop version. If they did, the only difference between laptop and desktop would've been in TGP.
Whould be very interesting to compare Laptop 4080 VS Desktop 4070/4070ti since they share the same GPU die.
Mobile 4080 performs very close to a dekstop 4070
The level of quality and professionalism of Jarrod’s videos is unparalleled 👌
It would be nice to see a comparison between the RTX 4090 Laptop vs the RTX 4080 Desktop since they use similar chips. Great video by the way!
Same here 😊
4080M vs 4080..
Only Big thing we easily to see here, that they had not same Die note GPU..
- AD104 vs Newer AD103 (?) Seriously ?
Totally agree..
Also please compare these two:
"X13 Flow with XG Mobile 3080"
vs "4080 Laptop" aka Mobile
...many of us are considering cheap-ish 3080 while in stock (or used)
And because the laptop 4090 is the true successor to the laptop 3080. NIVIDA moved the naming scheme over one notch in the laptops to get people to pay more for less. That's why you can get a 4090 in a laptop this generation but you could only get up to a 3080 before.
A few people have asked for it, so it'll be coming up this week.
Thank you for making all of these comparison videos so informative!
Glad you like them!
They should bring back the "M" suffix on nvidia mobile GPU
RTX 4080 laptop should be %34 cheaper than desktop
It comes with a screen and keyboard, though. And is portable.
I'm very torn. My laptop is all but useless after 5 years of ahrd work, and I want to get into sim racing. A gaming laptop makes sense...but desktops appear to be the pick for racing.
At the 4070 level, laptops appear cheaper, but then, they are not equal in performance sadly. The higher you go, desktop prices might make more sense for their actual performance?
I have a 4080 laptop I bought for 2k and it's amazing.@@Cloxxki
Hey Jarrod, - thanks for all the reviews. Most helpful. I just picked up a new Legion 7 Gen 8 with the 4080/13900HX, 32GB DDR5-5600 etc, and can validate that the 1% lows are just awful on this machine. The occasional stutters are absolutely crazy-making, especially since the average is so good. I can't figure out exactly what's going on. I. even under-volted the CPU to ensure no thermal throttling, so it's not that. Compared to my 13700K+4090+DDR4 desktop it's a much inferior experience just because of those 1% lows. Do we have any idea what's going on here?
I have the same problem on my 4090 laptop
Great comparison. I think including the avg energy cost comparison would show that the laptop really is a eco friendly solution in the long term. That desktop build is going to draw around 700w at best, whereas the laptop is around 330w max.
EXACTLY what i was saying about operational costs. 180% more power for 33% of frame boost (looking from laptop GPU side) ...GLHF
I think the more relevant comparison is the laptop RTX 4090 which is basically the desktop RTX 4080. I'd like to see what a top-TDP system like the MSI Titan can do, and then a more thin and light mainstream offering like the Razer Blade or Zephyrus M16 can do so we have some ranges to explore.
It would be interesting to see comparison between 4080 desktop and 4090 laptop as they have very similar chip. Also NEO seems to be quite poorly cooled by air as most other 4090 and 4080 laptops don't hit temp limit on GPU, though they are much louder
Agreed
I think these videos that call out the lameness of the same product name across laptop and desktop are important.
I’d like to see same chip comparisons. So a laptop 4090 and desktop 4080 for example.
to me personally nvidia is just borderline scamming people by naming their mobile gpus like their desktop gpus. theyre factually not the same products. bring back the "rtx 4080m" or at least max q naming scheme or people will trust you less year by year. if the laptop 4090 ist weaker than a desktop 4070 something is REALLY wrong.
It's more a price level thing than performance level, is that it?
Great video but next time I would like to see some actual gameplay with the fps counter and thermals on the side.
I've discussed why I don't show gameplay here: jarrods.tech/why-i-dont-show-game-play-for-benchmarks/
@Jarrod'sTech that's some great reasoning for why you don't, but I generally like to see the info happening in front of me, but yeah, you do you!
Hey Jarrod, any update on when your deals website will cover other regions? I don't know what's going on with the market but it seems like whenever a tech UA-camr shows awesome Newegg/Bestbuy laptop deals for like 2,5k$ they are like 4,5k€ in Europe...I thought the whole world is getting hit hard by inflation but I guess Europe is even worse off...or something weird is going on with dealer pricing over here. Kinda ridiculous, anyway would love to see your website cover more areas soon TM.
I still think it's easier to upgrade a laptop because it's easier to sell as long as you take care of it as compared to upgrading parts per piece off of a desktop. But hey everyone has their own preferences .
I fully agree with you. I keep hearing about how PC is upgradeable, but it's not been my experience. CPU on my desktop died 2 months ago - it was Core i5 6600k. But I can't install a new CPU on that motherboard, so I have to replace it as well. Turns out it's hard to find a mini ITX motherboard that fits in my case with Noctua NH-D15, so I might have to get a new CPU cooler too. I'd be happy to swap GTX 1070 for a newer GPU on the occasion, but find me one that provides at least +50% FPS while still being 2 slots and not taking more power, because so far I was running 450 W SFX power supply perfectly fine. Looks like I need a new case and a new power supply then. I guess I could keep my DDR4 RAM, but perhaps if I'm already replacing the entire PC then I should go DDR5? So the only component of my PC that can be re-used in a new PC is the NVME SSD drive.
The difference in power usage means ill be sticking to laptops, i’ll just make sure i watch your video reviews before i buy another, although i really don’t need one right now, so it’ll be a while. Maybe when the 50XX GPU’s are out or my current one breaks.
very useful comparison n presentation! thanks for ur hardwork!
Good job man!
Should compare 4080 of with 4090 laptop as they’re are the same chip. Good video though
That video should be coming up this week!
Hey Jarrod, how good are those TRACER VII EDGE I17E LC 17 laptops from cyberpowerPC? They seem to be cheaper with the new 4080m, 4090m gpus and they are also water cooled. I couldn't find any review of them.
It should perform similar to the machine in this video.
They are likely resold Clevo/Tongfang laptops, just like the XMG Neo in the video. I think they should be fine.
Please compare rtx 4080 laptop with 4070 desktop and rtx 4090 laptop with 4070ti desktop, will be very same I think
Pls compare laptop 4090 as well to desktop 4080 and 4090 too..thanks
Can you compare cards with the same dye like desktop 4080 with laptop 4090
That should be coming up this week.
I plan on releasing that this week.
@@JarrodsTech thanks❤️
Was looking for videos about RTX 4080 Laptop, clicked on this one and saw you wearing the t-shirt of my favourite band. Instant like! Also, thanks for the great video :)
I hope in next videos you might consider comparing more logical, rather "nvidian" style . 4090 laptop vs 4080 desktop, 4080 laptop vs 4070ti desktop
I know it's too much work, but I'll just throw it out there -- at least highlighting and pointing out the median when you do the multi-game fps comparison at different resolutions might be more valuable than focusing solely on the average. The reason is that there are a few outliers that are affecting the average noticeably enough that the average is not necessarily as representative of the difference as the median would. Anyway, this is a dumb comment, but i've been thinking this each time I watch one of your videos (which I love, BTW; i watch them all), so i figured I would mention it at least one time.....Have a great weekend man.
This wasn't a dumb comment at all, I agree with this take heavily.
Suddenly I miss the days when NVIDIA used MaxQ to designate the laptop version of the cards. At least it was clear to average customers that the desktop and laptop graphics cards were two distinct lines of products.
Bro now all laptops gpus are maxq. The Titan of today, the MSI GT77 HX, is sooo much lighter and smaller than the gt75
pls compare desktop 4070ti and laptop 4080 since there is only 3% or so difference in cuda cores.
@JarrodsTech I read somewhere that the 1% low issue with Forza Horizon 5 is because of G-Sync. Playing the game at fixed refresh rate fixes the issue.
I have the RTX 4080 in my laptop and no matter the differences it really really does move. I'm extremely happy with it
Great comparison video. Thanks a lot. I am missing a benchmark where you undervolt the desktop gpu till it’s nearly drawing as much power than the mobile does. Would be great to see how they performe with similar power usage.
Hey jarrod.on what settings do you test battery life?do you turn on battery saver?because my legion 5 with 6600h and rtx3060 without battery saver lasts for about 4:30 but with battery saver lasts for 6 to 7 hour and still wont reach the 8 hour in your test.battery is 80whr.I appreciate it if you answer😊😊
Great videos by the way❤❤❤
You can find how i run battery tests here: jarrods.tech/list-of-laptop-battery-life/
I wonder why Nvidia didn't used a trimmed down version of AD102 for RTX 4090 laptop GPU and cutdown AD103 for 4080 laptop GPU (and so on) instead... 🤔
The reason starts with an m and ends with a y
@@TabalugaDragon yes, they used a 1 tier down GPU chip for each segment for laptops. On top of that each chip is "nerfed". Why not used a nerfed Ad102 for 4090 laptop / nerfed ad103 for 4080 laptop etc... At least it's the same GPU chip as its desktop counterpart.
that water cooling for the laptop, whats the name?
About what I expected. Given the 4090 mobile is around 10 to 15% faster than the 4080 mobile, while the 4090 desktop is around 30% faster than a 4080 desktop, it makes sense that the gap between a 4080 mobile versus desktop is narrower than the gap between a 4090 mobile versus desktop. It would be interesting to make a comparison between the 4090 mobile and the 4080 desktop or the 4070ti.
4090 mobile is a 4070ti basically
@@Joaaaaaaaaaaa RAW performance wise , a 4070ti desktop can match 4090 laptop.
I was hoping for a rtx 4080 laptop vs 3080 desktop 😢
You can see the comparison of these cards at notebookcheck (UA-cam removes the full link), in general 4080 laptop is faster in some games, slower in others. Same for benchmarks
For a fairer comparison,put that desktop and monitor inside a bag and lug it around all day and see if there's a difference...
Very helpful video!
It could be possible to get like bit different version to lineup if would put laptop 4080 to desktop with decent cooling?
Damn we didn't know you're are fan of ENSIFERUM. That's really cool dude!!!
I got the Asus Strix G18 4080 about 3 weeks ago for $2499 ($2749 after taxes 😡) and it's a beast. Cyberpunk 2077 1080p and 1440p Ultra RT just kills it with no stutters and it barely gets warm. Thermal Grizzly liquid metal on the cpu and gpu makes a world of difference.
I haven't run any benchmarks on this one myself since there are a ton of those videos, but worth a look.
Hey I'm also planning to buy the ASUS ROG STRIX G18
RTX 4080 Varient
But I have seen that alot of people having the issue of Screen backlight bleed
And coil wine
So Can you tell me that is there
Type of Problem with yours
Like screenbleed or coil wine
@@PUBG830 I don't have coil whine with mine I don't think, I have tinnitus so I may just not be hearing it, but my fans so far hardly ever come on past the slowest speeds (except in Stranded Deep for some reason).
As far as the backlight bleed, I haven't noticed it, however the backlight is super bright. If your browsing a page that has allot of white on it, it's way too bright.
Sorry can't help much, I'm old, blind, and hard of hearing lol.
@@davidulmer9774 thanks❤️
1% lows are so much worse on laptop. There is a high variance from avg fps and that will feel so bad.
Ihv noticed too.
My question is: Can a 4080 liquid cooled laptop provide a better visual experience on a 4k LG C1 OLED TV than a Xbox Series X when running upcoming games such as Starfield, Diablo IV, GTA VI, etc ?
I mean, is it worth ditching XSX for a laptop or just stick with it for gaming a get 'random' heavily discounted laptop for portability and AutoCAD/Solidworks workloads ?
No doubt a laptop with 4080 offers a better visual experience using the same screen when compared to a Series X, the XSX is comparable to a laptop with a RTX 4060 at best.
Thank you. I feel that the industry should change names based on wattage. It will make purchasing decisions much easier.
yo videos are great the problem is you never put any productivity test
Good video. Can you review the framework laptop and show us its performance.
Planning on it if I can get one.
@@JarrodsTech thanks
Really Good video!
Thanks!
Would love to see what kind of laptop you'd have to get to meet and exceed the legendary 1080TI desktop card. I realize that may be an unreasonable test, just a wild wonder of mine
How is the xmg neo notebook compared to regular lenovo legion? i mean built quality and temperatures?
Jarrod we already know the naming is irrelevant and I don't need to watch the video to know that the desktop obliterates the laptop 4080. What would be far more interesting is comparing the most powerful laptop to its nearest desktop equivalent based on their specs (not the branding). The Laptop 4090 and desktop 4080 have the same core count and silicon. It would be more interesting to see how much the laptop 4090 is limited by its lower power draw and any cutbacks to the chip design such as fewer RT cores and how much is the discrepancy with ray tracing enabled vs pure rasterisation performance.
Have driver updates stabilized the framerates on the laptop 4080 since this vid came out as far as the 1% lows go?
yeah... seems about right. 4070 die power limited and called a 4080. typical nvidia
Hello Jarrod! What about a video of 4070 vs 4080 laptops, but just with the dlss3 and/or FG also enabled. So we can see if the difference after those options are still pretty big, or if those options reduce the gap between both. Thanks as always!!
Very similar to 3070ti laptop and desktop comparison Jarrod did a while ago. This mid area of gpu’s are where desktop and laptop are more equal.
As expected, 4080 desktop has 30% more CUDA cores than 4080 mobile and it also clocks 15-20% higher. Translate to 35 to 45% more performance.
Yea... and eats 180% of power. Add this into calculation, 5 years of power bills. GL HF
@@DeepInsideZettaiRyouikiif your buying/building a pc with that much value, your going to be in a financial situation where you aren’t too worried about power bills. Lol.
8:08 why does power affect 1% lows?
Hi Jarrod i have a question for u. I have msi raider ge78hx 4080 i9 13950hx. While playing on external 4k monitor on max settings my gpu temp il like 84-87° C with max fan speed (80ish on 2k laptop monitor) which i guess is in line with your video. Why i keep seeing online laptop reviews with 75ish degrees then?
Hey Jarrod, I really enjoy your content! So, I have a question: Are you planning to do a comparison of the 4090 vs. 4080 vs. 4070 vs. 4060 on the XMG NEO 16 platform ? Also, will there be a bigger NEO 16 Review coming any time soon ? Thanks (:
Yes to both!
thanks a lot!!
I got a deal on an Aorus 17H with 4080 for only $1990 USD. Amazing price-to-performance
Please compare same laptop with internal Rtx 4080 and when it's connected to external desktop rtx 4080 via USB-c.
I'm curious if it's worth getting any laptop that can better utilize the external rtx 4080 graphics than internal one and get that one for gaming and 3d modeling at home.
like an external gpu enclosure? if so I wouldn't recommend it. the gpu will have worse performance due to bandwidth constraints and the enclusure can be expensive
Thank you again.
The only golden gaming laptop years were around 2018-2021 when the only difference between laptop and desktop CPU was the clocks and power consumption
I'd like to see a 4070ti desktop vs 4080 laptop...that feels to be a good comparison
4070ti desktop is better than 4080 laptop.
Hi do u have a vid about switching adpater or gpu, cos may laptop has intel and nvdia, my valorant is lagging done all basic ts, but i think its not the ts, something is not working with my graphics? Is there a way to fix this?
Hey Jarrod. I know the video content is different but I have a question. Will there be just Legion 5 2023 version or do I have to buy Legion 5 Pro?
5 pro will be the only version, as far as they’ve announced yet, when they announced pcs in january they only announced 7/i pro and 5/i pro
will you be getting the g16 in anytime soon?
3 months later in my country, there is MSI with their 1970 USD converted, 12900HX RTX4080 selling here. It's probably a bit weaker than the model you shown here but the price difference is massive. I'm definitely getting that laptop since it's so much cheaper now
Hey, I wanted to ask you that you should make a video on laptops we can buy right now
And if it's okay to buy laptop with RTX 30 series or we should wait for RTX 40 series laptops
Hey Jarrod.. I'm not really all into tech, so I don't know the difference between cpus but I got the legion 5 rtx 3060, ryzen 5 6600H, but you reviewed the ryzen 7, do you think it's all that difference in gaming???
Not a big difference - Ryzen 5 6600H should be awesome for gaming! I have 1 year older model Legion 5 Pro with RTX 3060 and Ryzen 5 5600H at home and it's great for gaming.
@@urulooke thanks!
rtx 4090 laptop vs the rtx 4080 desktop would be much more interesting as they're both ad103.
I think in that comparison the laptop would look much more impressive.
Yeah and desktop 4070 Ti vs laptop 4080 makes way more sense given the latter is a lower voltage 4070 Ti with 256 shaders missing.
@@killerra Ya be much more interesting seeing the apples to apples comparisons. Rather then comparing to different gpus.
it'll be coming up this week!
What does the 4080 laptop gpu performs closest to in terms of your tests when compared to a desktop gpu?
Could you include the external GPU to comparison too? I mean having ultra portable laptop + eGPU how will it perform comparing to desktop and gaming laptop.
Also in terms of price
No external Gpus work as well as having it internally connected via a pcie. USB4 just can't keep up, the most you can use is a 3060ti, above that and you'll be paying for no extra performance.
There's no point of high end GPU for me. Most I'll be able to afford is a 3050 or 4050 laptop. So Jarrod, when can we expect a video on that??
I barely find rtx 4050 laptop axepecially on budget gaming laptop like asus tuf, acer nitro, hp victus, etc on my country
It would be more interesting comparing 2 GPUs with the same DIE: 4090 Mobile with 4080 Desktop and undervolt the Desktop GPU to be close or match the 4090 Mobile in powerdraw.
Agree, especially with undertcolting!
As much as i love this video, It's the 4090 laptop that should be compared to the 4080 Desktop.
Yeah but this is just nvidia's own bs naming scheme, hence thats how it's gonna be.
Blame nvidea looool😂
@@sbilalx Yesh, it's marketing so the can charge more.... 🤕
I should have a 4090 laptop vs 4080 desktop video up this week.
I am very impressed woth how close Laptops are actually getting to desktop performance, i remember just 10 years ago, a gaming laptop was not even close to a realistic option but now im considering a gaming laptop for when traveling with work
Another great comparison, well done
Please compare 4080 laptop vs 3080ti desktop
0:00 my favourite graphics card is NVIDIA AR T ARX 4080, what about you guys?
what i have in common for both desktop and laptop is that i do not have money to buy both system
Can you do a comparison between Intel i9 13980hx vs amd r9 7945hx laptop cpu please
waiting for that.
Is that the same laptop as eluktronics mech 16 gp?
For a laptop with a 4080 GPU, it's more powerful than the desktop options you suggested for artificial intelligence tasks. However, considering the energy consumption, let's calculate the electricity cost difference over 3 years. Assuming 250 watts for 8 hours of operation daily equals 2 kilowatt-hours, which costs about $0.6. Multiplying this by 300 days a year and 3 years gives $540. Considering the likely higher energy consumption difference, a laptop's total cost over 3 years becomes comparable to that of a desktop
Excellent vid
Does being in a Air Conditioned Room with 18-20° temperature help in cooling the components for air cooling ? As Fan could literally suck Cold air than just normal room temperature
Believe it or not and i know its pretty hard to believe but ambient temp does in fact affect component cooling.
It does, i notice different cpu and gpu temp difference just by played cities skylines when playing at day and at night on room without air conditioning just regular fan
Yes. the temp of the room you're in will effect the results, which is why I do my temp testing in a temperature controlled room.
jarrod u doing legion 2023 vs 2022 this year?
My hot take:
Nvidia should've named their 4090 laptop GPU as 4080 instead since the performance difference isn't far off with the 4080 desktop.
It will save them from the "not really a 40*0" cycle.
They're technically the same die.
Why do people care about laptop / desktop comparisons?!?!
If you want a laptop, you are gonna get a laptop regardless
If you want to play all the latest games at the highest settings, you are gonna get a desktop.
It's a pointless comparison.
Comparing a 150W GPU with a 300W GPU is laughable.
It's kind of a 'for science' comparison (that he has done for a couple gens now).
The scope of the video wasn't to prove what gaming laptop enthusiasts already know or to rant about the naming, it was just to show people the actual performance between the two closely named products so that you can help yourself and help others that might not understand the difference.
Agreed that 'what desktop model does this M model compare to' vids would be interesting, and plenty are also asking (nicely) for that, so maybe team JT will do those.
So the problem is in the absolutely stupid naming and pricing. If there is no any productivity matching why do they call laptop 4080 as 4080? why not 4060 if it performs as 4060? - Just for to lie and steal customers money, that is why.
Honestly, should compare laptop 4090 with the desktop 4080, judging based on everything, iam guessing diff may be around 20-25%? As if they couldnt put the chipset according to name for laptops as well.. so stupid and sneaky by Nvidia
I should have that comparison up this week.
Jarrod is the best in this business.
Well all the tests that I've seen, that compare the laptop 4080 to a desktop 4070 seem to show near identical performance. What I can't seem to verify is the GDDR type. Because the desktop 4070 and 4070Ti both use GDDR6X but I've seen varying answers, does the Laptop 4080 (aka desktop 4070) also use GDDR6X?
Hi guys, any suggestions for a great all rounder laptop that has decent battery life (6hr ish browsing chrome and ms word/excel) and decent gaming performance (medium-high setting at 1080p 70ish FPS) thank you a lot
Lenovo Legion 5.
The Legion 5 pro is in case you're looking for something more (the one i own, ez 100-120fps at 2k) Most MSI or ASUS will do just as fine, I just personally love the overall build quality of the Lenovos
You’d need to tell budget. In my country last gen gpu options are:
1. HP Omen 16 - i7 13700h, 3060 6GB - 144hz
2. HP Omen 16 - Ryzen 7 5800H, RX 6600m 8GB - 144hz
3. Lenovo Legion 5 - i7 13700h - 3060 6GB - 165hz
Legion and Omen are absolutely best performers in thermals, mux switch, display colors…. Although you can also go for ASUS ROG, Zephyrus.
I’d suggest to get at least 8GB VRAM tho as it will be better in long run.
For battery, It’s hard to have 6hr battery life in any gaming laptop.
Amd 6800h / amd 7735 can give u 7 hours youtube