Just found your channel and been watching your videos all day. I cannot express how much a appreciate the editing quality, timestamps and pacing. There are soooooo many tutorials on mixing that just get lost in endless talk. Straight and to the point, with awesome visuals. Can't ask for more!
i massively appreciate the clean editing, clear visuals and labelled chapter timestamps, as well as the helpful info you can put in short videos! perfect format, thank you jst team
A trick I use often for layers that follow the lead vocal is to use a side chain gate on the BGV buss keyed by the main vox with fast attack and release.
Amazing stuff again. I really like having some "dry" work that helps elevate the end product. Cleaning up the alignment doesn't take a ton of creativity, but makes every following step thát much more efficient and pleasurable
Pro tip: write in each vocal harmony on an instrument track using a basic piano sound and have the vocalist sing to that. Not only will they be more in tune by having a pitch reference, but they’ll also be more in time so you won’t have to edit the timing as much, or if you have a particularly good vocalist, at all.
I prefer to use a synth because it works more similarly to a human voice. Piano is more like percussion and doesn’t sustain right or change notes in the middle of a note like a voice does.
I watched a video a while back where this guy did like 30 backing vocal tracks to get that thick Def Leppard effect… i just did 18 takes with Howard Benson Vocals 😆
I just wanted to say how awesome you guys are.. im almost watching your videos for 1,5 hour now and they are so good and there is so much useful and informative. I like this video especially because i was stuck trying to mix my background vocals and i couldnt get it right. Now i know, thanks to you, how to approach them. Thanks for all of these information you share with us! Keep up the good work, god bless you guys!
I do everything you recommend here EXCEPT widening...I like to only widen the guitars in my mixes. Also, I like to put the ambience plugin before the compressor on the actual BGV aux, rather than on a separate aux send, and set it kinda bright and modulating. Think FabFilter Pro-R with the brightness knob turned up a tad and the "character" knob turned up all the way. Makes the bgv's sound like they were performed all together in a space, and the modulation sounds really natural but controlled. Also helps to make the predelay pretty slow, like around 50-90ms, so you retain some closeness and articulation in the diction. You just have to be much more careful with the dry/wet ratio on the reverb plugin since you're compressing after it. It's definitely a specific sound that won't always work, but it's epic when it does. Sounds very Def Leppard.
Joey I LOVE these! The best visuals of a DAW also (how do you do that?) and finally, is there a tutorial videos of the conquer divide recording shown in the video. Would love to see that.
Literally the problem I'm having right now so I will be giving these techniques a go. Are you putting all the reverbs on sends or directly on the tracks?
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 personally I’d throw trackspacer on the rhythms so the synths poke out a bit if they’re doing lead oriented stuff. Especially if the rhythm is repetitive and providing more of a wall than upfront part.
Would these still be a good starting place when attempting some of the layering styles that, say, Travis Ryan from cattle decapitation does in the stuff Dave Otero has been mixing? I have a song with a similar feel, and i feel like i hit a wall with trying to get everything to gel. doesnt sound BAD but it could be better. I may start from scratch on that mix, since its been a while, and reference this when i get to the layers again
Anyone doing swarm of angry hardcore dudes shouting at the same time certain words? I'm trying to "put them together in a room" yet making sure main vocal is stays clear.
Just found your channel and been watching your videos all day. I cannot express how much a appreciate the editing quality, timestamps and pacing. There are soooooo many tutorials on mixing that just get lost in endless talk. Straight and to the point, with awesome visuals. Can't ask for more!
I set a faster attack when compressing my background vocals than on the lead vocal. Really helps to keep the background vocals in the background.
Good tip
love this!
Good one-- I'm trying it! Thanks
I used to mix a church band every Sunday with 6-8 singers at any given time and I would do the same thing. Works like a charm
Thanks Joey
Btw reaper has its own Vocalign script that is for free
Tell me more 😏
There are alot of tutorials as well
You have my attention...
I didn't know that!
oooooooo i was unaware
Damn that back vocal arrangement is amazing
🥰
i massively appreciate the clean editing, clear visuals and labelled chapter timestamps, as well as the helpful info you can put in short videos! perfect format, thank you jst team
A trick I use often for layers that follow the lead vocal is to use a side chain gate on the BGV buss keyed by the main vox with fast attack and release.
Attack Attack sounds huge in the mix!
Thank you!
Amazing stuff again. I really like having some "dry" work that helps elevate the end product. Cleaning up the alignment doesn't take a ton of creativity, but makes every following step thát much more efficient and pleasurable
Excellent information! Thank you
You’re welcome! Thanks for watching.
Joeys mixes are so clean. Damn.
I wish JST would explain the balancing video more tho or at least the limiter part.
Brilliant Video, solved a year long issue in my mixing
Pro tip: write in each vocal harmony on an instrument track using a basic piano sound and have the vocalist sing to that. Not only will they be more in tune by having a pitch reference, but they’ll also be more in time so you won’t have to edit the timing as much, or if you have a particularly good vocalist, at all.
I prefer to use a synth because it works more similarly to a human voice. Piano is more like percussion and doesn’t sustain right or change notes in the middle of a note like a voice does.
@@joeymusic ahhh, that makes sense, to be fair I do put a limiter on that piano track to squash the dynamics and give it more sustain.
I watched a video a while back where this guy did like 30 backing vocal tracks to get that thick Def Leppard effect… i just did 18 takes with Howard Benson Vocals 😆
what a legend this is so much good knowledge
I just wanted to say how awesome you guys are.. im almost watching your videos for 1,5 hour now and they are so good and there is so much useful and informative. I like this video especially because i was stuck trying to mix my background vocals and i couldnt get it right. Now i know, thanks to you, how to approach them. Thanks for all of these information you share with us!
Keep up the good work, god bless you guys!
I do everything you recommend here EXCEPT widening...I like to only widen the guitars in my mixes. Also, I like to put the ambience plugin before the compressor on the actual BGV aux, rather than on a separate aux send, and set it kinda bright and modulating. Think FabFilter Pro-R with the brightness knob turned up a tad and the "character" knob turned up all the way. Makes the bgv's sound like they were performed all together in a space, and the modulation sounds really natural but controlled. Also helps to make the predelay pretty slow, like around 50-90ms, so you retain some closeness and articulation in the diction. You just have to be much more careful with the dry/wet ratio on the reverb plugin since you're compressing after it. It's definitely a specific sound that won't always work, but it's epic when it does. Sounds very Def Leppard.
elegant walkthru..thankks
I always like to use a different compressor and eq compared to the lead vox to give it a bit more separation.
I needed this
Happy to be there for ya
Amazing tutorials 🔥
Joey I LOVE these! The best visuals of a DAW also (how do you do that?) and finally, is there a tutorial videos of the conquer divide recording shown in the video. Would love to see that.
oh i thought i was just bad with timing with vocals,didn;t know bands have this problem
Has the tune already been released? Thank you for your content
Pretty sure it's All My Life by Attack Attack
@@Eivesohn thank you. I've just listened to the song. It's just amazing!!!! Wow.
Thank you sir :)
Literally the problem I'm having right now so I will be giving these techniques a go. Are you putting all the reverbs on sends or directly on the tracks?
Sends or aux or bus
what`s your approach on panning synths in metal mix (mono and stereo)?
I would also like to know more about this!
@@worksofein6449 yes, everyone thumb up to me, so we`ll be replied lol
I try to go pretty wide so they are out of the center
@@joeymusic but then they would compete with guitars, no?
@@insertanynameyouwant5311 personally I’d throw trackspacer on the rhythms so the synths poke out a bit if they’re doing lead oriented stuff. Especially if the rhythm is repetitive and providing more of a wall than upfront part.
Hey! Was the incredibly amazing sounding Attack Attack EP recorded and produced in Reaper? Thanks!
Nah we used cubase
Do you throw your reverb right on the track instead of using a bus??
What is the song on the closing?
Would these still be a good starting place when attempting some of the layering styles that, say, Travis Ryan from cattle decapitation does in the stuff Dave Otero has been mixing? I have a song with a similar feel, and i feel like i hit a wall with trying to get everything to gel. doesnt sound BAD but it could be better.
I may start from scratch on that mix, since its been a while, and reference this when i get to the layers again
Curious If all these tips can be used on layered screams.
Oh yes! I do the same thing but with screams and growls. Makes them sound huge!
Absolutely.
Where can i find the song???
All my life - Attack Attack
What REAPER skin is being used here?
Smooth 6 v2
I need to know the name of the song he is mixing.
All my life - Attack Attack
Anyone doing swarm of angry hardcore dudes shouting at the same time certain words? I'm trying to "put them together in a room" yet making sure main vocal is stays clear.
Those vocals sound like mud.