Layering Vocals - You're Doing It WRONG!

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  • Layering vocals is tricky business - here's how to do it right!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 143

  • @treyxaviermusic
    @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +24

    How do YOU layer your vocal tracks?

    • @RokDAWG1
      @RokDAWG1 11 місяців тому +3

      The correct answer is always, “DO AS MANY AS IT TAKES! GET IT RIGHT!”

    • @bohemianhh
      @bohemianhh 11 місяців тому

      On a scale of 1-10?
      Muffaletta.
      Nah, mine's more like a plain ham and cheese, but after watching this, I think I can incorporate some vocal lettuce, some vocal tomato.. maybe some vocal mustard, might even double the vocal meat with some power-metal vocal prosciutto. I refuse to do vocal mayo, though. Too poppy.

    • @Mrvegas6666
      @Mrvegas6666 11 місяців тому

      You displayed my process completely when I record my three vocalists in my project.

    • @Hetriani
      @Hetriani 11 місяців тому +4

      Who cares how I USED to do them?...I'm doing it like THIS from now on! Lol🤘🤘

    • @totalitartombola7415
      @totalitartombola7415 11 місяців тому

      With the stoner band just a dub, with the metalband, sometimes all-in Blind Guardian. Personal record: 28 of me me ME

  • @TheSmeltork
    @TheSmeltork 11 місяців тому +16

    Lmao. That mic costs as more than my entire studio setup.

  • @bohemianhh
    @bohemianhh 11 місяців тому +42

    What a lot of people don't get is that this has been done almost as long as non-destructive multitracking has existed (at least since the early 70s). It's not a 'fad' or a 'modern' thing. I remember one of Freddie Mercury's studio engineers talking about how amazing Freddie was at perfectly multi-tracking vocals.

    • @royjohnson3361
      @royjohnson3361 10 місяців тому +2

      Manual doubletracking was invented by Les Paul (I think, citation needed) and was in use in the 1950s. The Beach Boys and the Beatles did it a lot with vocals. Artificial Double Tracking (ADT) was invented specially for the Beatles during the spring of 1966 by Ken Townsend.
      What I don't get is why don't DAWs have some form of built-in ADT?

    • @bohemianhh
      @bohemianhh 10 місяців тому +1

      @@royjohnson3361 Thanks, Roy. Great info!

  • @eduardomelo6046
    @eduardomelo6046 11 місяців тому +57

    i dont get how Trey doesnt have millions of subscribers at this point. keep bringing up this top tier content, man

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +14

      someday. the cool ones are here now, everyone else will be late to the party

    • @grs177
      @grs177 11 місяців тому

      But my mom says I’m cool!

  • @intriguedviewer501
    @intriguedviewer501 11 місяців тому +24

    Production, subject matter, personality... Trey is running a clinic on how to make a great UA-cam video with this one.

  • @niteshades_promise
    @niteshades_promise 3 дні тому +1

    great use of the wilhelm scream😂 i love that scream. never gets old.🍻

  • @DJKuroh
    @DJKuroh 11 місяців тому +11

    The only thing I hated about my band. It was impossible to get our singers to do overdubs or any kind of layering. Leads, harmony (not even 3 part), done.
    And we were a Dream POP band. Vocals really matter in pop and should be the star.
    You can lead a horse to water and all that lol

    • @ratatatuff
      @ratatatuff 11 місяців тому

      But aren't the vocals in dreampop pretty much in the background and supposed to be just a layer of sound?

    • @DJKuroh
      @DJKuroh 11 місяців тому

      @@ratatatuff I'll say indie (dance) pop with a dash of dream pop. Chvrches meets Beach House.

    • @LintBisquick
      @LintBisquick 11 місяців тому +1

      How does that work? Those layers should be stacked!

    • @DJKuroh
      @DJKuroh 11 місяців тому +1

      @LintBisquick it works like "damn i can never listen to these songs again because we brought our A-Game, but the vocals sound a little phoned."
      They sang everything like we did it live. That worked great for road testing songs, but the studio was the time to go wild, and they had zero desire to. It's very frustrating.
      Who I work with now is the total opposite. He'll give me like 14 vocal tracks lol

  • @joshuagodinez5867
    @joshuagodinez5867 11 місяців тому +5

    Live layering - get the bassist, keyboardist, rhythm guitarist, and if he can handle it, the drummer all singing during the chorus.

    • @alanerpington5698
      @alanerpington5698 11 місяців тому +6

      Or as we used to call it, backing vocals.

  • @TeaspoonUlysses
    @TeaspoonUlysses 11 місяців тому +4

    I'm in the middle of recording a track and now I need to add more...thanks for the tips, guys.

  • @ForsellOfficial
    @ForsellOfficial 10 місяців тому +2

    I'm getting a lot of early Shinedown from the way it sounded with the additional vocals! Sounds great man!

  • @DrDannyMannGuitar
    @DrDannyMannGuitar 11 місяців тому +1

    Happy to see that this pretty much mirrors the approach that my bands and I take! Thanks Trey and Alex

  • @roommother3398
    @roommother3398 11 місяців тому +1

    Great content! Nice to see Alex make an appearance you two really work well together. Layer up GongGang!

  • @Thepaulislame
    @Thepaulislame 11 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the tips Trey and bandmate fella!

  • @ShatterScript
    @ShatterScript 11 місяців тому +1

    Something I was wondering about for my own tracks, full of info, thanks for this guys!

  • @aprilkurtz1589
    @aprilkurtz1589 11 місяців тому

    thanks for this, trey. it was cool seeing how you layer harmonies, we did ours almost the same way, from the lead to the harmonies. We double tracked the lead vocal, but not the harmonies. never thought to add a lead vocal an octave down. very helpful tip! great video, trey!

  • @upStomp
    @upStomp 11 місяців тому +4

    This reminds me of Jane's Addiction's "Ritual" album. Where Perry's voice was double tracked to increase the chances that one of the takes would be in tune at any given time. Because his lines were so inconsistent, it created a very distinctive effect and became part of the album's charm.

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +1

      Definitely created a signature sound for him, Ozzy too

  • @Hetriani
    @Hetriani 11 місяців тому +6

    This was such an informative and helpful video! Actually watching the process while explaining why, and how made it click for me and I'm sure it will for many others! What a killer tune too! In Virtue!🤘🤘

  • @LewisGale
    @LewisGale 11 місяців тому +1

    Cool vid, would've been nice to hear each layer isolated too especially the harmonies, but learned a lot that I'll be using going forward. Nice one

  • @GuitarTabsDaily
    @GuitarTabsDaily 11 місяців тому

    Great video dude! It’s all about the layers 😤🙌💪😊

  • @jos25582
    @jos25582 7 місяців тому

    I like how you show an example in real time. Sick song btw!

  • @johnkelley7676
    @johnkelley7676 24 дні тому

    I support your cause. I love this channel and I will be subscribing. Excellent work boys.

  • @haniespanieldollis
    @haniespanieldollis 11 місяців тому +1

    3:37 I love the harmonies during the bridge

  • @ChadBillAnderson
    @ChadBillAnderson 11 місяців тому +1

    Gonna send this video to all of my client bands from now on before they track

  • @nedim_guitar
    @nedim_guitar 10 місяців тому

    This was really cool!

  • @ShawnSharkey4
    @ShawnSharkey4 10 місяців тому

    So much fucking talent, and I watch the contest videos on my way home from work. Keep it up, cheers!!

  • @FREISTUDIOS
    @FREISTUDIOS 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video and song Trey, thank you!

  • @A.Moortal
    @A.Moortal 11 місяців тому +3

    I’m honestly impressed by how good the single track sounded. But yes great production tips!

  • @dadbodmetalgod
    @dadbodmetalgod 11 місяців тому +1

    So good to see you and Alex still making music! While I love the new direction of the channel, I do occasionally miss tag-team of old. Rock on, Dudes 🤘

  • @CreativeMindsAudio
    @CreativeMindsAudio 11 місяців тому +1

    nice! been a while since i've seen alex on a channel plus a while since seeing the garage studio here. Great tutorial! literally just talking to someone about how to multi track guitars.

  • @haniespanieldollis
    @haniespanieldollis 11 місяців тому +5

    8:32 but then how do the live performances go when there are so many less layers? A difficulty many bands have I'm sure

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +7

      Well, it's a pretty limited choice - you can either have good backup vocalists, or have backing tracks to fill them in, or go without them entirely. I don't think people should make their decisions in the studio based on what it'll sound like live though, you should just make the best recording you can

    • @Skeleton_Dork
      @Skeleton_Dork 11 місяців тому +3

      @@treyxaviermusic Every metal boomer would like to know your location

  • @TROY-ue4vx
    @TROY-ue4vx 5 місяців тому

    i like the song and i'm not normally into this genre, great voice!

  • @wheelman717
    @wheelman717 4 місяці тому

    What a strong voice. Awesome

  • @mrobsolete530x4
    @mrobsolete530x4 11 місяців тому

    The vocal layering that the singer for The Contortionist does is so crazy and perfect while also being subtle.

    • @josephharvey1762
      @josephharvey1762 11 місяців тому

      How would you describe it? I love, love, love The Contortionist (esp. Clairvoyant)

  • @urvasbethud8849
    @urvasbethud8849 11 місяців тому

    Extremely tight singing! I am impressed.

  • @yungvirticus
    @yungvirticus 11 місяців тому +2

    Happy to see the influx of content, sir!

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +2

      my content is always in flux. no wait

  • @maximethetiot2703
    @maximethetiot2703 21 день тому

    Hi 👋🏻
    I’m actually working on a cover with a friend, soon, I will record her voice, and I never done it before. This video is very instructive !!! Thx you so much guys !!! 😂👏🏻🔥

  • @juniorclaudio7012
    @juniorclaudio7012 11 місяців тому +1

    Yeah man!!!! For more content like this! ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @musicmaestrodj
    @musicmaestrodj 6 місяців тому

    Awesome video! One thing that would have been nice to include was how you panned the layers as its an important part of the process. You've got a new subscriber now. 😎

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  6 місяців тому +1

      Welcome! All the pairs are panned hard R/L, only the double/octave of the lead is in the center

  • @Dylan99781
    @Dylan99781 11 місяців тому

    As a supplement to this video, I really recommend watching Hardcore Music Studio's video titled "Pro Vocal Layering Secrets". It focuses more on where to apply layers in the arrangement, like what was alluded to at the end here, with famous pop songs as examples

  • @sVieira151
    @sVieira151 11 місяців тому +2

    I personally think the ideal number of vocal layers are found on modern Devin Townsend choruses.
    I mean if you were to expand all of the vocal submix layers into individual recorded tracks. 😂

  • @JayslowEntertainment
    @JayslowEntertainment 10 днів тому

    I have that same mic, and I've struggled over and over trying to get the right sound from it.

  • @BryanMorrison675
    @BryanMorrison675 11 місяців тому +1

    This is useful. Thanks!

  • @who_is_dis
    @who_is_dis 4 місяці тому

    Bro - you're genuinely a great vocalist

  • @akmetalhead95
    @akmetalhead95 11 місяців тому

    Awesome video! It would be cool to see how many vocal layers are on each part of the song. Since the chorus is the "biggest" part of course, you'd have the most layers there, but how many layers work best in the verses, bridge, etc? That's one thing I'm trying to figure out as I learn how to write songs in my DAW and record my voice.

    • @myronmosley2167
      @myronmosley2167 11 місяців тому

      Use your ears. There’s no magic number for anything in recording, mixing and mastering. If it sounds good, it’s enough. If it doesn’t sound good do more or do something else. Don’t get hung up on how many layers of vocals you need or how many db’s to boost or cut. If it sounds good it doesn’t matter how many or how much you did or didn’t do something.

  • @jeremythornton433
    @jeremythornton433 9 місяців тому

    Great video! I do have to wonder though, how many tracks of vocals would there be in an average Queen song? Not a Bohemian Rhapsody thing but a regular song. Or a Van Halen song.

  • @sridharraju7588
    @sridharraju7588 11 місяців тому +1

    This is the video I needed.

  • @haniespanieldollis
    @haniespanieldollis 11 місяців тому +1

    Yes, tis a great song!!

  • @Ryan_Messenger
    @Ryan_Messenger 11 місяців тому

    cool stuff 👍

  • @tjlovelady
    @tjlovelady 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the tutorial but the song is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @tophertaylor68
    @tophertaylor68 11 місяців тому +1

    More studio stuff with Brother Alex 👍

  • @micahperrego3334
    @micahperrego3334 11 місяців тому

    Perfect

  • @agirlsname7159
    @agirlsname7159 11 місяців тому

    I like imagining the gong master reacting to this song in a Treyception. Would he have any advice or just say "It's perfect...you win."

  • @connerstines1578
    @connerstines1578 11 місяців тому +1

    Double track vocals have been extremely common since the 60s.

  • @thebadbandito
    @thebadbandito 11 місяців тому

    Great video

  • @itsonlyrocknroll12
    @itsonlyrocknroll12 Місяць тому

    Umm, how we’re the tracks panned? Did I miss it? Like hardpanned left and right?

  • @RokDAWG1
    @RokDAWG1 11 місяців тому

    My last ep, my producer made me do like a billion takes. I’m glad my voice was strong or I would have lost it.

  • @haniespanieldollis
    @haniespanieldollis 11 місяців тому +1

    When is the next single?!?

  • @maknoxx
    @maknoxx 4 місяці тому

    did you replace the double with the octave down ?

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  4 місяці тому +1

      In this I did, you can have both if you like

  • @MatthewSwasta
    @MatthewSwasta 11 місяців тому

    Letterman visited Billie Eilish..something like 86 takes spliced together on, whatever tune that was. That blew his mind.

  • @saberreiter8569
    @saberreiter8569 11 місяців тому

    stacks stacks stakcs stacks (of layers)

  • @budgetgitarr5351
    @budgetgitarr5351 11 місяців тому

    7:50 I guess the song is called Cream now

  • @IndyRockStar
    @IndyRockStar 11 місяців тому +1

    Scream! Featuring Trey's Bare Feet.

  • @miscalt
    @miscalt 3 місяці тому

    I just really need a video that doesnt rely on thousands of dollars in studio equipment for the result - the search continues

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  3 місяці тому

      You can do all of these things with whatever equipment you have, none of these techniques are dependent on your gear

  • @candidcat4948
    @candidcat4948 2 місяці тому

    sibilance ✨ ✨ 😂😂

  • @Dimitar_Tsanev
    @Dimitar_Tsanev 10 місяців тому

    The parts with the most layers and harmonies on them sound a lot like what Jonathan Davis has been doing on the last 4 Korn records...

  • @adownbeatexegete1549
    @adownbeatexegete1549 10 місяців тому

    We're doing EVERYTHING fucking wrong!

  • @Kcutthth
    @Kcutthth 11 місяців тому

    I’m working on a track and the chorus sounded…flat. Hard to describe. Going to do try this now

  • @TheWelhaven
    @TheWelhaven 9 місяців тому

    It’s easy to go overboard with layers and harmonies. It’s like eating a cake, you don’t want it all the time. Listening to an Alice in Chains album makes my ears tired.

  • @idani881
    @idani881 11 місяців тому

    Damn tenors
    Cool video guys!!

    • @alexnasla
      @alexnasla 11 місяців тому

      Trey is definitely not a tenor lol. Baritone for sure.

  • @Rafaelinux
    @Rafaelinux 11 місяців тому

    Scraym!

  • @ChernobylAudio666
    @ChernobylAudio666 11 місяців тому

    ALEX!!!!!!!!!! Also hi Trey

  • @Drewtootrue
    @Drewtootrue 4 місяці тому

    🤣🔥

  • @nickwilson6888
    @nickwilson6888 11 місяців тому +1

    Fancy microphone!? Just change the speakers in your cabinet!!

  • @saltyapostle44
    @saltyapostle44 11 місяців тому

    Realize when he was singing it was already heavily compressed. There was no real difference between the quiet parts and the loud parts.

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому

      Yeah that's why Alex was there, he applied all the processing so it would sound closer to a finished product

    • @saltyapostle44
      @saltyapostle44 11 місяців тому

      @@treyxaviermusic 👍👍

  • @christyd_
    @christyd_ 7 місяців тому

    What does _left_ or _right_ means when recording doubles?

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  7 місяців тому +1

      That refers to the panning in the stereo field

  • @LintBisquick
    @LintBisquick 11 місяців тому

    Sounds great, but live you better have some players that can bring some BGV's otherwise you may have to resort to tracks.

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah but I also don't think that should ever stop you from making the best possible recording. You can cross that bridge when you get to it, if your song blows up you can worry about it then.

    • @LintBisquick
      @LintBisquick 11 місяців тому +1

      @@treyxaviermusic True. Lately I have been struggling with overproduction vs more stripped down stuff. Solid point though and that Chorus has wormed its way into my brain.

  • @memesouls8653
    @memesouls8653 5 місяців тому

    Laughs in Breaking Benjamin…

  • @Dingbotz
    @Dingbotz 11 місяців тому

    Each to their own but for someone so musically-educated, it's quite disappointing to see it going to waste on such monotone, melody-deficient type of metal.

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +1

      I’ll encourage you to check out the rest of my discography, this one I was going for a simple sing-along chorus

  • @roberttalbott4268
    @roberttalbott4268 11 місяців тому +1

    First comment first like 😂😎

  • @mhoff7722
    @mhoff7722 11 місяців тому +1

    That mic costs more than my amp rig lol.

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +1

      It's spendy, but it's also basically several mics in one. Lewitt also makes a bunch of other awesome mics that are much more affordable

    • @mhoff7722
      @mhoff7722 11 місяців тому +1

      @@treyxaviermusic I do like the Lewitt dual capsule for guitar. Haven't tried a vocal mic yet though.

  • @Lord_Swoledemort
    @Lord_Swoledemort 11 місяців тому +1

    You could title this video better. It’s such a quality video but the title is poor.

  • @jme214
    @jme214 11 місяців тому

    What has Yrey become? Yrey is no longer grounded. Yes his mixes sound nice. But who hurt him?

  • @dzikoo
    @dzikoo 11 місяців тому

    I prefer one layer to be honest. It sounds more “organic”. Allows you to appreciate more Treys voice.

  • @JDY517
    @JDY517 11 місяців тому

    Sooooo we just need a $3500 mic 🤨

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +1

      You can do the same basic idea with whatever mic you've got

    • @JDY517
      @JDY517 11 місяців тому

      @@treyxaviermusic I know brother… just being an ass 🤷🏻‍♂️ and a little jealous of that mic

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +1

      it's a damn fine mic

    • @thejeffrandallproject6470
      @thejeffrandallproject6470 11 місяців тому

      @@treyxaviermusic so which brand/model mic did you use in your own studio recording vocals for “Scream”?

  • @takeshikovacs935
    @takeshikovacs935 11 місяців тому

    Good production tips but…. seems more like an ad for a microphone. Thumbs down on that one.

  • @ShadeHope1969
    @ShadeHope1969 11 місяців тому

    First off, My favorite singers are all DEAD, Second,If you cant play your material live without Tracks go lay down somewhere,in my book, YOUR DONE.

    • @troysmithfr
      @troysmithfr 11 місяців тому

      Lmao

    • @treyxaviermusic
      @treyxaviermusic  11 місяців тому +11

      sounds like your favorite singers won't be able to play their material live either, but they've already taken your advice and gone to lay down somewhere

    • @bohemianhh
      @bohemianhh 11 місяців тому

      @@treyxaviermusic TEH BROOTALZ!

    • @MickH60
      @MickH60 11 місяців тому +2

      I'm a boomer and that's the most boomerish thing I've ever read......!!!

    • @user-yk4gd1fl4z
      @user-yk4gd1fl4z 11 місяців тому +1

      Wut?

  • @chrismusix5669
    @chrismusix5669 10 місяців тому

    Maybe that is exactly why it is called a 'chorus'? ≽ܫ≼

  • @michaelistoma8356
    @michaelistoma8356 7 місяців тому

    good song though