Model painting: 20 minutes vs 20 hours
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- How long should you paint a mini for? An hour or two? How about 10... 20?! Maybe even longer. Let me show you how to plan out your time for big mini painting projects, so you can finally call your big showpiece minis "DONE!"
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"What's wrong with you? Well, lot's of things actually,"
If I had a nickel for every time I've been a part of this conversation I could buy a Dark Angels upgrade sprew. That's not much money but a crazy number of times.
Guy thanks for making this and showing that it’s alright to paint on “done” models already. Need to go over my older models and touch them up with highlights
Yeah I had never really thought about it this way before. But now I think about it, it was so obvious because really any part of the model is "done" when it dries
I've started doing this a lot. Now I paint a lot of my models to get them what I consider 80% done, so I can get a good looking army on the table (I HATE playing with grey unpainted minis), and then slowly go back over my army a squad at time and finish them up. Add edge highlights and some shading and more details.
Be careful you can lose some some stuff doing it.
If you say Pale Sand three times in a mirror, you can summon a Canadian.
please stop doing that im trying to get some painting done
@@DanaHowl palesandpalesandpalesand!
The weird thing is it's only usually Dana Howl that appears, sometimes it's just some random, confused Canadian.
@@kkap995 I've been summoned
'Pale sands I loved beside the Shalimar-ah...' (
DAMMIT looks like I'm gonna have to change what I thought was my original Ork colour scheme >_<
OR maybe I'll just steal it like a propa' Death Skullz Ork would do....
I thought you'd been summoned here because he said pale sands so many times.
@@pappajudas9267 You're not wrong
"Deffskulls iz alwayz lootin', so wot if some o da ladz az sneaky armor and sum av' lucky, we'ze still Deffskulls."
Personally my Zapped Ead'z (Deffskulls "Succesor Klan") Orks are a mix of purples, blues, creams and blacks and a desaturated green skin.
They're run from the shadows by a warp lightning powered Gretchin named Ziggurat Skrawl who controls all the Big Bosses from the shadows.
Embrace the colour chaos and the fun is glorious.
My partner belted out a "PALE SAND!?!" in your honor when she heard Guy mention it xD
The queen of pale sand!
"he's not well painted" bro most of us are in our 40s and 50s we can barely see your model from across the table, if it was green base coated with dry brushed silver on the metal we'd say it looks great
Silver drybrushed on green?
*Im Blind*
This is caulk on some drywall....
Glasses, magnifiers, zoom all exist.
@@tando6266 I zoom in irl by moving closer
Everything I look at is "farther than it may appear"
When people say it's foggy outside I laugh
Crazy to think people have been into this hobby for decades, barely getting into it with some friends and we're not even 20
An artist never really finishes his work, he merely abandons it.
-Paul Valery
Well then I’ve finished 0ver a thousand art peace’s
@@nykrev or abandoned?
@@flipvdfluitketel867 yeah they were abandoned
@@nykrev I guess that makes you an artist
@@flipvdfluitketel867 thanks I appreciate it I’m an artist mom-
Amazing paintjob!
Personally I think edge-highlighting always makes things look super cartoony though, which is something that doesn't appeal. But that's just a matter of stylistic preferences. The execution is absolutely stellar!
Personally I hate the aggressive edge-highlighting. Agreed, it makes it cartoony and far less mean looking
Honestly, I spend nearly as long on characters as I do on normal troops. Maybe a half hour longer total due to the extra detail, but I normally throw my characters into a batch while batch painting and treat them like everything else.
I do the reverse
I've noticed Guy writes with a cursive print mixture, using a continual line to write print letters. I dont know why I found this the most interesting part of the video...
I tended to do that when I had a hundred forms per night to fill out all in pen at one job I worked
A lot of us adapted to do that. Taught cursive for 10+ years only to find out the average person can't read it anyway. So we adapt. Good Catch! You've got a sharp eye.
I do it too!
We don't generally get taught formal letterforms in the UK; maybe people who go to posh private schools might but normal people in normal schools just adapt to whatever kind of writing suits them... so long as people can read it.
That's exactly how I write haha, print letters but just connected
was I alone in expecting the appearance of DH at every mention of the colour 'pale sand' lol
Is Guy out of Pale Sand clips again? I'll have to send him a new shipment
Same
@@DanaHowl Make them progressively sillier!
"There's no hard and fast rule on how long you should spend painting a particular mini"
10 seconds! take it or leave it
dip that mini in a bottle of paint and voila, done
Then it’s not tournament legal
@@commanderstorm8874 Dip it in 3 pots of paint!
Guy is so focused on painting that Dana Howl couldn't even mention pale sand today.
This is giving me inspiration for my recent Octarius acquisition, thank you!
Would love to see an extension of this where you take a model that "failed " and make it work without stripping
Taking a failed project and turning it into a winq
I'm going to go against the grain and say, on the whole, I prefer the before armour and the after head. I just don't like hyper edge highlighting, preferring a more realistic finish
When he said the model isn't very good...made me say "wow! Mine suck then" cuz he looked great. 😂
to me, the newer armour looks cartoonic, but thats not necessarily a bad thing, and it might be his style
title say 20 hr, and the video is only 20 mn, i feel robed :D
thanks for the video guy.
Possible Hot Take: With the exception of missing a few highlights I like your original top skull better. IMHO it makes sense because it's sitting atop the exhaust system for the power armour so it wouldn't be far off for it to be very grungy and dirty. Just my personal opinion but if you're happy with the end result that's all that matters.
Seen at 20:44
I agree. There are some details that came out great with the repaint, but the new purple armor looks a bit...cartoony?
EDIT: Obviously, Guy's opinion on his own model is what matters most. I couldn't paint anything half as good as the (basic) first model in 20 weeks, let alone 20 minutes or 20 hours
@@srk4044 yeah. I really like the new version but it looks like its from a comic book.
The painting styles popular in the Warhammer community are generally more about what 'looks cool' than what is realistic, so the more you do it the more you end up with something that looks like concept art of a comic book or a cartoon character or a CGI render, etc. Edge highlighting has been around as long as I can remember (since at least the 90s) and that's not how light works in real life, but you try telling that to the biggest company and fan base in the industry/hobby! You have to find a style that you like, and not assume that how everybody else seems to do it must be correct or that you have to fit in with them. (It helps that I paint historicals rather than sci fi and fantasy)
I'm with you. There are a lot of areas that are hugely improved , especially the face and metals, but i much preferred the old skull and the overall feel of the purple armour too
When Guy makes an Orktober video but not a Sept'ember video: *sad Tau noises *
Here to leave my comment before I've even gotten through the ads! Praise the algorithm
Aye a nice video for Sunday
He said pale sand so many times and Dana howl didn’t appear.on my seat for every time he said it
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The yellows on the final product make me feel warmth in my cold dead heart.
Great job mate!
Hi Guy hope all is well with you and your new family. Just wanted to ask if, after Orktober of course, you have any plans to paint Elucia and her Starstriders from Kill Team Rogue Trader and the models from Cursed City? 🙏
I don't even play anymore (3 kids, ft job and a wife) but I still really want to paint my army.
I'm thinking I'll force my wife to learn killteam.
Well this was absolutely amazing. Love the tips and tricks you always incorporate in your tutorials and the way you show that anyone can paint to whatever standard they want. Really inspires me and I can't wait for the next orky video
Tbh if someone'd call my mini's 'toys' I'd have to have a little chat with that person. XD Honestly, since I don't play anything and just paint for my personal enjoyment I see them more like little statues and works of art..... some don't look that good but... every mini is a part of the learning curve imho.
Yes, Yes, It’s Time
WAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHH
You've painted ghaz the exact way I painted mine last year, so cool 😂 you've done an amazing job. What a way to kick off orktober!
Did you also not paint his bionic bonce metal? Pretty big part of his background lore considering it was the patch-job on his brain injury that allowed him to have visions of Mork and Gork.
This is very engaging and watchable, which isn't easy to achieve with a painting "step by step" sort of video (granted it's much more than that). Well done, great video!
The king of speed painting spends 20+ hours on a model? Up is down, light is dark, and I am here for it.
I feel like Guy uses "Pale Sand" as much as Sorastro uses "deck tan". LoL Great video, Guy! Keep up the good work.
I love the new finish!! It feels like something out of a comic book almost, with the brighter edge highlights. Awesome job as ever :D
FYI Cote d’arms used to make the paint for GW so you’ll probably find that magic metal is actually tin bitz
He is aware, he actually mentioned the fact in the first video he used them in
Also, Cote d'Arms themselves didn't make the paints - they bought them from a chemical works called HMG, who used to (and I believe still) produce paint for the British Armed Forces
Good timing
I’m painting my first miniature today and it’s an ork
How's it going? Have you done it yet? :)
Spent about six hours on it today and it’s looking great
All I have left is the base eyes and highlights for tomorrow
@@lonelygoat2716 ayy good stuff man welcome to the hobby
squid pink rosa pulpo you sweet sweet thing
Agreed. Movies have producers so there is somebody to take it away from the director at the right point.
That's amazing. Its interesting to watch you work for an extended period of time on one model. You have this wonderful sketchy style, I'd be curious to see you attempt a comic book painting style at some point. You're videos are always an inspiration and they do a fantastic job of making this hobby seem so approachable.
It's a wonder you didn't summon Dana by mentioning pale sand that many times lol
Great job, guy.
getting away with just swinging your brush in the air like a maniac , i came here for orks :/
evah seen a porple ork ? diwint think so
I always get caught up trying to make every miniature as good as possible. This is such a good way of handling it - paint everything to a set standard and then come back to it later in the future to improve! I usually strip everything and start over, but this saves time and allows you to play with it from the get-go!
Gorky Morky poke your eyes out with a sporky
There is something just plain weird about the phrase "Dangly skulls"............... Almost as bad as "Crotch flag"
Another MWM video! Weekend made even better. Seriously, I watch your videos when I'm feeling low, and they always perk me up. They're always really wholesome, I find 🙂
God I love watching Guy paint and talk about his color theory. I know hardly anything but its so enjoyable to watch him do it so seemingly effortlessly.
It's awesome, I just wish Ghaz was *bigger*
Yo im early dawg
WAAAAAAGH! playing orks has me all fired up and I can't wait to paint my ghaz after seeing this!
I think the edge detail was a bit too bright and thick. Even in drawing/digital painting, if details are too dense it can be distracting because you're eyes aren't drawn to broader shapes.
For highlight colors, you generally want more saturation and shift the hue towards red or yellow. For the metal parts of the armor, I think it would make sense to vary the density of the edge highlights, or treat certain spots (corners etc) as though paint was scraped off. That would allow you to vary how large the patches of color are, so that it doesn't feel like the same type of detail is everywhere.
WAAAAAGH!!
GorkaMorka coming up?!?!?!
Thats a blast from my childhood!!!
I honestly thought we were going to see that model painted in both 20 min vs 20 hours, that would have been very interesting! But surely impossible on something so big!
One of my fav' things to go by when making things is "perfection is the enemy of completion".
that is one good looking ORK
Good ol' Ghazghkull Thakker, also known as the invention of the Evil Lord Varlak's Top War Boss!! WAAAAAGGHHH!!!
Guy! This episode is the reason I appreciate You and your contributions to the hobby so very much.
Like others that have outright declared what could be considered as prima facie disabilities (Jeremy #Black Magic Craft , Mitch #Terrainosaur
Some UA-camrs: I use only Citidel Paints
Other UA-camrs: I only use 3rd party paints
Guy: I use Citidel paints from the 90s and 3rd party paints
WAAAAAAAAGH APPY ORKTOBER LADZ! Love being able to watch another awesome Ork video while painting me a Deff Dread!
TIN BITZ! I completely forgot about it, and then I remembered that I love it. EDIT: Now you're talking about Snakebite Leather! So much unexpected nostalgia
Guy repeatedly said "Pale Sand", and Dana didn't magically appear??!! What is wrong with the world?! 😲😲😲😲
That's a great paint job on Margaret Thatcher; especially the rich colours on the orange panels.
The edge highlighting on the armor almost makes Ghaz look cel shaded, incredible
As a spod, I'm always slightly bothered by the twin contradictory facts of Orks being (a)fungusy, and (b)green. No chlorophyll in fungi, dammit - full-on green is one of the colours you'll never see on a mould or on a mushroom. Gahhhh! Nurse! The screens!
I'm sure a million people have already said this, but I was HOLDING MY BREATH for Dana to pop up every time you mentioned "Pale Sand".
First! Awesome work :)
You've always been a good painter, but you've upp'd your skill big time.
Personally, I prefer highlights & shading to be a tiny bit more subtle, but that's just a subjective opinion :)
Nice to see you using Coat D'Arms paints, but transferring them to dropper bottles is terrible. You lose one the most beneficial aspects of traditional paints doing that: The magical pots which keep your paint fresh FOREVER.
Any tips for making power weapons (in my case for Eldar) look more dynamic? Nothing too fancy, I'm just currently using Fenrisian Grey as a base while I work up the courage to do something more.
Waaagh, my good sir. Waaagh.
If that is the brightest silver you have, you should try scale color white alchemy SC-67. It's like painting with liquid pearl, it will blow your mind pants.
ORK BOIS!!!
Oh wait it's “Khaki?” this entire time I thought it was called “car key.”
I've heard it said both
to be honest i thought the same
I thnk that looks really good Guy, love the highlighting style on that purple armour. Well done!
I am so damn guilty of taking way too long on painting my minis. I excuse it with the fact that I only really build, paint and convert and don't actually play the game but still.
While I do enjoy taking things slowly, I also try to push myself further with each and every mini. Smoother gradients, better volumetric highlights, sharper edges etc. so I always take at least 10 hours on a model and that's just a normal Assault Intercessor.
For another example I spent about 15 hours on my Indomitus Lieutenant I painted a while ago. Problem is that they aren't really competition level or anywhere near that so it is kind of wasted time but as people say, it's not wasted time if you enjoy doing it even if my pile of shame (I started last year, like how) doesn't like it.
Also me watching UA-cam videos on the side all the time doesn't help since like that time just starts flying.
Call me weird, but I actually like the 20min animal skull job better. The 20hr version just seem too neat. Having said that, a lot of the other parts seem too neat as well, but my puny brain accepted them for the awesome paint job... But not the skull. Overall, great job.
The music at about 15 mins in reminded me of a game I used to play on the Commodore Amiga. I racked my brains and then it came to me... Walker by Physignosis. Awesome game. Thanks for that bit of nostalgia Guy 👍😀
That came out so interesting. Looks like Dana Howl illustrated a comic book or something. Lots of pale sand, which is apt. This has made me need to order more paints too. Black metal in particular. Maybe i'll burn a church.......
I never cease to be amazed at how incredibly ugly Coat D'Arms' workmark is...
I can only paint well enough to look pretty good on tabletop so my line is easy to pick, main colors picked out and highlighted sparingly.
Details picked out and commonly washed. Usually be it a character or a sqaud, spread over days ill usually spend 30 minutes to an hour per session. Typically finishing a character in overall 5 or 6 total hours.
And sqauds taking longer if they have lots of details to pick out due mainly to the amount of bits that need a spot of paint on them.
So doing my current space wolves project, blackmane took about 6 hours in total. The first sqaud of grey hunters is taking longer as the models have more bits to.pick out.
Came to watch a painting video only to here Guy TALKING about painting but no model to be seen anywhere in the video. Dislike.
great video as usual, would love to see a more comprihensive video on some of the techniques used here, edge highlighting, probably not enough to make a video on but i would love to see a midwinter tutorial dedicated to it
For 60x the time, its only maybe 2x as cool.
Striking the balance, an hour or so of brushing time on a mini will get you 95% of that extreme long hour count result. I mean, look at how you had to cheat the thumbie for the video; what's that, half the resolution on the 20 minute half compared to the other half of the pic? Dishonest as fuuk, dude.
Idk if there's something wrong with the video but I can't see ghazghkulls armor???
Not sure if something is wrong with the video, but i just keep seeing the base. :P
For real, good job. though 20 hours for you would probably still be at least 50 for me to reach the same standard and awesomeness.
I don't understand what is happening. I was marveling at the paint job throughout the video, but then when the before- and after comparison starts at 20:33, my brain tells me the before version looks better, more realistic, compared to the "exaggerated cartoony" version that it has become.
I'm thinking that maybe a mini that was built to "pop" with edge-highlighting and all sorts of depth enhancements looks better when seen slightly from a distance, and as a whole. But when you zoom in to certain parts, it looks cartoonish and unrealistic compared to a more mundane paint job without the enhancements?
Seeing Ghaz in anything but a black color scheme, seems... Sacrilegious. But I still love it.
Am I a weirdo for thinking it looked better before? The purple is impressive but edge highlights look so unnatural to me, nothing really looks like that. I don’t know, I like subtle more grungy highlights.
I play Ork, I'm in Essex.
Sounds like we need to find out who has the best WAAAAGH.
Most people order a gallon of ranch with their pizza. Guy comes home with a gallon of Pale Sand...
What is a good base coat before putting those purples on? Specifically into metal armour and vehicles/killa kans?
Couldn't come at a better time. Painting Da Boss right now and I'm all over the place. Thank you
I would dirty the model up a bit more, the highlights are a bit to bright for me and lack a rolloff to the darker bits. But damn!!! Crazy difference!
Never heard using pale sand that much, without summoning Dana Howl...
What type of color blindness do you have? I'm curious to know if you can't see red very well, does that translate to seeing purple differently?
What's interesting there is the process of speed painting / tabletop painting the army first so you can play with it. Then, "complete" the paint job on the main pieces when you have free time, just to relax and enjoy it. Very sound process.
I don't paint minis at all, just sort of like crafts and art and stumbled in to midwinter minis.
But I love the channel and watch every episode! super cozy cheers
I realize this seems like insanity to include in the commit section but major named characters to include in an army is a rare thing for me, I generally make generic so I can theme a better narrative and make things more custom than rely on major known, however with my new Ork army I my self plan to paint this character for about a month solid, 4 hours a day for 30 days will provide 120 hours worth of work on the model to attempt to get the best looking biggest and meanest Ork of them all.
6:38 you say you added more squid pink to the previous highlight mix but that looks like pure squid pink, which one is it?
11.52 black metal reference on your tee's! Are you into black metal??
Always love to see some Orks! (I totally agree on Xereus and Royal Purple being the best two purples - love to use both of them myself too!). Awesome video!
An amazing paint job, BUT... I cry every time someone paints Ork eyes and doesn't make them red
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