Sardonicast 45: Joker, The King of Comedy
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Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro (The Lighthouse Screening)
6:39 - Gemini Man
9:56 - Gemini Man (Spoilers)
25:22 - Joker (Spoilers)
41:53 - The King of Comedy (Spoilers)
1:06:35 - Q&A - Розваги
"Gemini Man: keep in mind I also like Venom, but I like this movie more."
--Ralph Sepe
Actual quote on the bluray cover.
mabusestestament oh dear
Is this a premonition? Gemini Man hasn’t been released on Blu Ray yet but I’m sure the quote will be there.
oh lord... that's not saying much
You gotta love how that takes a lot of Ralph's credibilty as a film critic.
pro tip: you can watch movies at flixzone. I've been using it for watching loads of movies during the lockdown.
Something a lot of people don’t realize when they first watch King of Comedy is the ambiguity even stretches to whether or not his mom is even alive. You hear her voice, but in his stand up, he says his mom is dead. So is she actually dead, and he’s just imagining her, or is she alive, and he’s pretending she’s dead for his comedy? I don’t know which is creepier, and that’s why I fucking love this movie. 10/10
J.D. Laney whaaaat. I noticed we never saw the mom, and I interpreted Scorsese did that intentionally because it showed how narcissistic Rupkin was given that we see this film from his point of view.
Edit: But it is an interesting thing you pointed out. Will keep in mind on a second watch.
I always just took it as it was a joke but yeah, I suppose we never actually do see his mom... I now have a sadder perspective on the film lol.
Didn't think of that
Many scenes, his character was dreaming of himself being the "King" especially the ending 1) No one gets only 2yrs in jail for kidnapping. 2) Its 1982 - no internet, iphones, cable tv. Most only had 7 channels, so people would forget who he was after a month. 3) Even the cops said they would arrest whoever wrote his horrible jokes. 4)Just like many sitting in jail right now, he's a King in his own mind. Movie proves guys with huge egos are more dangerous than guys with low self esteem.
The King of Comedy is vastly superior to Joker. It isn't close in the slightest. Joker is pretty much garbage.
Ralph gave both Joker and Gemini Man the same score... We really do live in a society!
They're completely different movies.
Jack The Ripper Ralph is a marvel fanboy
DayTripper I’ve definitely been noticing that ever since the Endgame podcast where he was super defensive of the criticism
@@jw1714 Any valid point Adam made against the plot he'd just say "eh it's just dumb fun, but it's a 9/10 hell yeah great movie amazing, there's no other way they could have handled this movie because I'm not creative enough to imagine something else lol"
it's something called opinions. you might not have heard it before
•Adam Gives Gemini Man a 2/10•
Will Smith:
It’s rewind Time
TIME FOR THE REMIX
Male Tears beautiful
Ahh that's not hot
I hate to be that guy but in joker the murders aren’t what prompted the riots it’s Thomas Wayne’s reaction and dehumanisation of the lower class, he literally gets on the tv and calls the lower class a bunch of clowns (which I do agree is a bit too on the nose).
I mean the movie follows jokers pov so it makes sense that Thomas Wayne was more of an asshole imo lol
Its actually funny they as a whole didn't catch this
Thomas Wayne is speaking facts 💯
Exactly. I find it hillarious that they pine over the flashback scenes of Arthur and Sophie not being neccesary because they got it the first time while not catching most everything else in the movie. It makes me glad that repeat viewing exists, Joker definitely improves once you see it a second time
"On the nose" ...because clowns have red noses.
We all know Tommy Wiseau is the best joker. Who is this Phoenix guy am I right
I know that Joker video he was in was obviously a joke, but I actually want to see what a Joker movie would be like if Wiseau directed and starred in it.
'I'm the Joker baby' guy is clearly the best Joker.
@@HiddenGhul Tha Jokah Baby
Joker baby is better
I'm personally a fan of Heath Ledger
No Cool Cat conversation?
Worst gay podcast ever
Jamie Sansom I found a indirect Cool Cat reference.
@@murciadoxial8056 Daddy Derrick is releasing a box set
Ralph- *"I like Venom because it's dumb fun, I dislike Aquaman because it's dumb fun, I like Gemini Man because it's dumb fun, I hate Ant Man and the Wasp because it's dumb fun"*
-themoviemaker.
Jk love you guys, I'm the biggest Sard 👌👌👌
😂
Antman and the Wasp was the worst Marvel movie, I hated it
@@darrellcovello7917 I personally loved it but I can see why a lot of people didn't get much out of it
@@darrellcovello7917 for me it's Captain M or Hulk
Darrell Covello there was no point to that movie being made at all
Next Friday I'm seeing The Lighthouse and Parasite back to back. Gonna be a good day
Edit: just saw parasite and holy fuck. See this movie when you can
Edit 2: If I had a steak, a nice juicy rare steak. I'd fuck it
Ashbobsjunior Jesus Christ what a day, both movies are pretty much perfect. Have fun!
I just did that over the course of two days last Sunday and Saturday. Highly recommend. Best movie weekend ever.
Ya lucky bastard! Awesome mate!
Lucky. That sounds like the most perfect double feature ever.
I wish I was you, but I've been cucked by Cineplex
Timecodes for Mobile Users:
00:00 Intro
6:39 Gemini Man
9:56 Gemini Man (Spoilers)
25:22 Joker (Spoilers)
41:53 King of Comedy (Spoilers)
1:06:35 Q&A
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Thank you Troll Face
Thanks dude
Thank
Replying to bring this comment furher up the chain.
Broke: EA Sports
Woke: Eat My Shorts
Based and Bartpilled
you just have a biased
Ralph: my mom had a theory about this mo-
Adum: im gonna shut this down
When watching the part when he goes into the fridge, my brother leaned over and jokingly asked if this was secretely the origin story for Mr. Freeze.
@@yggdrasil3 The part where he utters "huneeee" for the first time gives me chills
adum was kinda wrong about that. i swear he already meets the waynes prior to that scene?
Nick XL except he didn’t. He came off as an pretentious try hard critique and ended up being a whiny brat throwing a tantrum for the movie with little to no basis.
Danny Roqs do you joker fans ever shut up? why do you get so offended over people not liking the movie? stop acting like if you dont consider it a masterpiece your opinion isn’t valid or something
Holy shit, I was at the same Lighthouse screening; was amazed when Willem Dafoe turned up. Saw him and Robert Eggers as they walked out as well, was so close to shaking their hands. One of the best cinema experiences I've ever had.
I'm the guy who drew them as ice cream and to see my art be shown by you guys is such a cool feeling. Love you, Sardonicast!
Well done
Your art work is really sick bro keep up the good work
Congratulations
So good
Haha “cool feeling”
“There is no such thing as bad publicity it is just publicity”
So apparently old fridges couldn't be opened from the inside. Fridge designs were changed when it became a hazard for children. Maybe that's what sparked Ralph's Mom's theory on the ending?
Best part of Joker is that we got to see a superat in the background of a scene.
It might as well be. There isn't much I like about that movie.
Christian Bale Batman Vs Ben Affleck Batman
Vs Will Arnett LEGO Batman
Now that's a movie I'd pay to see
Vs Kevin Conroy hand-drawn animated Batman
Like Roger Rabbit or Space Jam.
Vs Adam West Batman. We all know who would win.
PLEASE!!!!!
@@charlescalthrop2535 vs George Clooney batman
Ralph gave the same score to Gemini Man and Joker...
Just let that sink in.
THROW HIM OFF THE PODCAST!
Yeah Joker is nowhere near as ground-breaking
My dad showering Will Smith vs evil Will Smith is clearly the better synopsis
Bruh
Hunter Fredrickson well he’s always been a marvel fanboy
It showed plenty of things happen to Joker besides getting beat up? Ralph lists a few of them, but two scenes of getting beat weren't terrible. The behavior of the kids seemed cheap, give more of a reason to hurt him, or don't have everyone else attacking him in that group. But he loses his job, and everyone starts viewing him as a threat because a 'friend" gave him the gun, then sold him out. He's constantly ignored by his therapist, loses what little treatment he had to live on, and was mocked for finally pursuing his dreams. Just while he was on stage and there was dead silence you felt bad for him. And he had two whole identity twists that he found out when he was 40 years old or something.
So to say they only physically beat him up and it was empty or cheap isn't very honest.
Ronnie James Deodorant
I thought exactly that. Just surprised by their lack of attention to this movie
I disagree. He murdered the three guys on the subway before these revelations. It is also implied he enjoyed it and was sexually aroused by it, again, before all of these revelations. He felt no remorse (but I get it, they were beating him up). I feel like if he snapped and killed them after the plot points you mentioned, it would be a bit better developed. It felt really out of order to me at least.
@@mattofalltrades Keep in mind Arthur's already a man who's suffered repetitive pyshoclogical and physical abuse from his multiple past dads and even his mom, with a socially debilitating condition all his life. Combine that with his currently already sucky lot in life, being cornered with thugs beating him up after already having it done to him prior, I can absolutely imagine him snapping and firing a gun on them before reveling in the release and individual like him would get from it.
I just saw it as a major step in his fall. He's now already committed murder in his own twisted form of self defense, so later on he views it as something he can use to lash out fully and intentionally.
@@NeutralGuyDoubleZero I think you're the only person in the UA-cam comments that actually used solid reasoning and grammar to rebuttal an opposing opinion, like damn.
@@mattofalltrades I know it's fucking mind blowing these days lol
It's all fun and games til Adam gives Joker a 7/10
Edit: thanks Adam
He changed it to a 6 actually
@KcaJBrown nah but just because they're similar or inspired it doesn't retract from the movie for me
Flaccid.mp3 Like in that case, they might as well rate Reservoir Dogs the same because Quentin Tarantino basically nicks off of Stanley Kubrick’s The Killing. Same thing with True Romance which is basically his own version of Terrence Malick’s Badlands, even going as far as to copying the music from the latter.
And then we might as well add Brian de Palma in that list since Dressed to Kill was essentially Psycho in his own retelling.
Honestly, I felt the boys misinterpreted the movie a little too much and didn’t pay attention close enough.
Danny Roqs bro have you even seen the killing? They almost have no thing in common
Henrix Beatz I own The killing and Reservoir Dogs and yes they bear a lot in common.
Quentin Tarantino himself went as far as to say once “...I wanted MY own Killing”.
He can’t be anymore transparent than that.
The boys got their first legit director as a guest, holy shit. Hopefully not the last!
So glad Alex made it to The Lighthouse! I was at that screening too, one of the best movie-watching experiences of my life! And I got to ask Robert Eggers if the birds were real! (and they are!)
Please dont spoil
@@jesusangulo2119 Sorry! Didn't consider it a spoiler having seen it and thought it'd better people's experience watching it because wondering did take my mind off the film a bit. I've edited the comment to make it more vague!
how the fuck did you comment 3 days ago
God now I know there are fucking birds in the film. Great, my experience won't be the fucking same now
@@Lovicide took several reads, but I think I get it, the birds are real in the real world, they aren't CGI or puppets. The "don't spoil" comment was probably assuming that it was in the film's context, IE, are they imaginary
Q&A Timestamps:
1:06:35 - What's the hardest you've intentionally/unintentionally laughed at a movie?
1:12:10 - There's somewhat of a stigma about going to the movies alone. As people who watch movies in a professional capacity, does it still exist for you at all, or not as much?
1:14:12 - Do you believe in conspiracy theories?
1:24:38 - What are your thoughts and feelings on what Martin Scorsese said about Marvel movies?
1:35:14 - When will you guys learn how to pronounce the word 'homage'?
Thank you. Was looking for this.
0:00 intro
6:59 Gemini man
9:56 Gemini Spoilers
25:22 Joker
41:53 king of comedy
1:06:36 Q&A
Sardes: Ralph gave Joker the same rating as Gemini Man!
Ralph: Yes.
Rupert's stand-up at the end of the movie was legitimately funny in my opinion. I didn't think he was a bad comedian at all, just socially inept.
Also, y’know, psychotic🙃
Also I agree, his stuff was funny. Very late-night.
they mention Rodney Dangerfield at the beginning as one of the good comics and I'd say it's for sure on par with Rodney's material
I think Joker was immediately arrested and taken to Arkham after the shooting. The riot, the breakout, and the Waynes getting murdered was all Arthurs fantasy. That makes more sense to me than a shooting kicking off a riot, and rioters stealing an ambulance and knowing which patrol car to T-bone, the cops dying but Arthur being relatively Ok, and Arthur somehow ending up in custody anyway.
Early in the movie were shown that there’s been a garbage strike thats why there’s garbage piles 10 feet high so there was already tension between government and the people of Gotham. The murders aren’t what kicked off the riots, it was Wayne calling the lower class of Gotham clowns because a guy with clown make up killed 3 wealthy wayne employees.
I just watched king of comedy for the first time and I was amazed
---QUESTION TIMESTAMPS---
1:06:50 - What's the hardest you've ever laughed at a movie intentionally or unintentionally?
1:13:10 - Do you still feel like going to the movies alone at all?
1:14:12 - Do you believe in conspiracy theories?
1:24:38 - What are your thought son what Martin Scorsese said about marvel films?
1:35:14 - When will you guys learn how to pronounce the word homage?
I really disagree with you on the Joker. The film's underlying societal tensions are established in the movie with "the garbage strike" which is mentioned at one point (and shown w/ all the garbage lying around the city) and the growing poverty and anger which is intensified by the killing of the 3 three wall street a-holes in the train scene. Thomas Wayne's inflammatory comments are also what help set things off. As far as your criticism ( 33:40) goes about the film not making sense with the explosion of tensions here's a real world example: the Arab spring was triggered by a man (Mohamed Bouaziz) setting himself on fire in front of a police station after being beaten up for refusing to bribe the police over a permit. Real life has at times been close to what is presented in the film. With growing wealth inequality and ecological disaster in the future aspects of the film are increasingly relevant.
Christian Tompkins that’s really not a criticism. in that case, they might as well rate Reservoir Dogs the same because Quentin Tarantino basically nicks off of Stanley Kubrick’s The Killing. Same thing with True Romance which is basically his own version of Terrence Malick’s Badlands, even going as far as to copying the music from the latter.
And then we might as well add Brian de Palma in that list since Dressed to Kill was essentially Psycho in his own retelling.
Honestly, I felt the boys misinterpreted the movie a little too much and didn’t pay attention close enough. And so did you.
Christian Tompkins that’s exactly what I’m trying to convey. There’s the little difference but in the wider view, it’s almost a strikingly similar approach of plot.
Christian Tompkins I can accept that take of criticism
Is “burning oneself in front of a police station” the sort of thing that happens thousands of times a year? Homicides in NYC were incredibly common at that time, and this just seemed to be random death, not a purposeful protest killing with a message attached.
@Christian Tompkins The rich vs the poor story didn't start in the 80's. It was already more than 100 years old by then and it was still timeless, as long as the disparity between the rich and poor is a reality it will still be mined for more stories in the future.
Somehow I missed the spoiler warning for Joker but don't feel like I was spoiled.
They mainly talked about the media fiasco, memes I guess, and the fact that a Scorcese film was more subtle...
Gazebo Luecke that’s the thing though: I feel like they had some unfair pokes of criticism for this film. They were complaining about the movie being derivative to Kings of Comedy or Taxi Driver, yet they were saying it wasn’t subtle enough. So do you want it to be original or do you want it to be a Martin Scorsese-esque movie?
I don’t think that Phillips was intentionally trying to make a Scorsese movie but merely make a few influences along with a DC villain and make his own twisted interpretation... and I felt that was pretty successful.
The combination of it being a DC movie and the media garbage has soured the whole thing kinda unfairly. Adum even asking about if people with mental illness should see it or not was pretty ridiculous.
Just like Alex, I found the meming of Joker to be annoying and confusing, so I just ignored it, but Alex just chooses to meme it himself, cause apparently that one line is super funny?
Honestly this whole conversation just kinda irritated me. I watched the movie and it was pretty good, not perfect but above average, but a lot of critics I follow almost seem against the movie itself or embarrassed to like it.
The recent JAR podcast about was kinda aweful for this reason. Alex all but refused to talk about Joker at all after five minutes as if it's another cookie-cutter super hero schlock blockbuster, when it's pretty much the exact opposite.
It's like he saw the trailer and the twitter memes and simultaneously forgot that the Jokers best scenes from the Nolan movies where the ones without Batman or any other major characters in them.
All and all, I'm not sure how well the critical reception of this movie will age even five years from now when we're back to giant blue lasers firing into space.
Seems like a good movie fell into our laps and we're brushing it off like a spider.
Gazebo Luecke how truthful. Chillingly sad too.
I usually agree with Ralph and Adum individually and even when I don't I can at least find common ground somewhere, but this just feels more reactionary to the media coverage than I would have found tasteful, unfortunately.
Gemini Man is the closest will get to a Metal Gear Solid movie
No, Captain America: The Winter Soldier was, is, and always be the closest we'll get to a true Metal Gear Solid movie
I'm so glad i wasnt the only one thinking cap america 2 and gemini man looked like metal gear
*B R O T H E R*
"Will" get?
why hasn’t anyone called Mary Elizabeth Winstead mewtwo
I think The King of Comedy is one of a kind. Probably my favorite Scorsese film.
Me too! Though After Hours is nipping at its heels. I haven't finished it yet.
I think your discussion about how important it is on your own to make things happen for yourself was so vital, especially in anything related to entertainment. I’m an actor, do voiceover and am also thinking up ideas on how to start a UA-cam channel of my own and this was kind of the discussion I needed to hear haha. Love this podcast and I’m a huge fan of all three of you. Great moves, proud of you.
32:15 Why do you think he was imagining "the murder of Bruce Wayne's parents". Given what he experiences in the film he clearly is more connected to Thomas Wayne and grows to hate him. So he's more likely imagining Thomas Wayne and his wife dieing and maybe he doesn't want to kill a kid so he doesn't imagine that
This is a stand alone movie and not accurate to the comics at all so it's entirely possible
If that's imaginary in his mind he's imagining Thomas Wayne getting fucked up. Not the origin of his arch nemesis
Did anybody notice, in Gemini Man, the continuity error with the blinds in the scene where the woman is fighting a random man in the office shack she works at.
I'm so hyped for the next episode, thirst is one of my favourite movies, I feel like its kinda underrated.
Congrats for 2M subs, Alex!!! You deserve 'em!
Damn I could have already listened to this over the weekend...
Sardonicast - We are having another guest!
Me - oh cool another UA-camr I like those
Sardonicast - David F Sandberg
Me - AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Wha- seriously!?!?
Holy crap I haven't been more excited since they got The Stucc or the best teeth in the game on
Classy as always, Adum
Funny how you discussed Scorsese’s dislike of Marvel; Francis Ford Coppola & Ken Loach just expresses their dislike of them recently.
I don’t like them either, to me personally, they just feel soulless and shitted out by a corrupted company
Comment section
50% talk about joker
49% talk about Ralph’s poor taste
1% talking about how a MOVIE DIRECTOR is their next guest. 🤨
Don't you dare compare Gemini Man to Face/Off! Face/Off is a fucking masterpiece!
I didnt see the geminai man thing coming
The REAL clown movie discourse should be the fact that Adum gave Joke a 7/10 while Alex gave It Chapter Two a 7/10.
CONCHITA how? IT 2 is terrible and bland
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE lmao he thought it was funny and that the characters are what made it interesting
CONCHITA that’s the problem, it’s supposed to be a scary movie but it’s not.
@@SAMSARALIVEEEEEE It doesn't take itself seriously and overrall became a mess, also very basic structure (First act, second act, third act) and repetitive
@@balabanasireti I actually agree. Guilty pleasures should be rated fairly, no matter how much they enjoyed them themselves. Film reviews exist to display your opinion of the quality and purpose of the movie and tell others what they should look for or if it is worth it. Rating Aquaman 5 out of 5 stars does not help.
If you guys didn’t understand why the murders caused the uprising you need to watch the film again
If you think the murders caused the uprising at all you need to watch it again. They were largely irrelevant.
thelocust619 it was more like the media and politics that ran behind that incident that fueled it into an uprising.
Remember, Joker said “... do I look like the kind of guy who could lead a revolution?”
He only utilized self defense and it became more than that...
@@thelocust619 that's my point that it wasn't because of the murder it was how the murder was covered and talked about and how tomas wayne was talking about the lower class calling them clowns that made them use clowns as a symbol of their uprising
@@tytsty5716 That and the garbage strike showed that the unrest had already escalated to the point that citizens were already taking action. If anything, Arthur's greatest contribution was getting chased by the detectives. When you get cops bullying pissed off, protesting citizens living in filth with no income while getting belittled by the people claiming to help them...you get a riot. The Joker is just bumbling through this mess like some kinda evil nega-Forest Gump, just sorta showing up to get his picture taken in the background of a larger event.
Ralph: there’s nothing that terrible about it, it’s mostly just mediocre and bland. 3/5
Sounds like the Nostalgia Critic's review of The Wall
I was not expecting that guest haha, nice!
I wasn’t a big Shazam fan but David’s youtube channel is top quality 👌👌
I wonder if a day will ever come where the boys get comfortable enough around each other to be like “yo that was stupid” when someone says something unfunny instead of forcing laughter out
Examples?
Tostitos199 Ralph laughs at everything
*"Joker, The King of Comedy"* unfortunate title lmao
Ralph is back!
On my birthday thank you!!!!
The Highlight of my week listening to the boys
gemini man's script was made in 97' the year that face off was released lmao
EA Sports. It's in the game.
Well. WAS in the game. Now it's in the legacy superstar gold edition.
"How do three killings inspire the city to tear itself apart"
-Garbage strike
-Negligence of government
-Thomas Wayne's elitist comments on television
-The fact it's fucking Gotham, canonically and in the movie the city is a cross between Detroit and Venezuela
Timecodes:
00:00 - Intro (The Lighthouse Screening)
6:39 - Gemini Man
9:56 - Gemini Man (Spoilers)
25:22 - Joker (Spoilers)
41:53 - The King of Comedy (Spoilers)
1:06:35 - Q&A
for Iphone users
33:32 This comment didn't aged well.
I don't care what anyone says, it's pronounced just as it's spelled "Ho-Mage" like a magical lady of the night.
About the Joker and you guys talking about the murders and the protests: I mean,,, Chile went crazy over 30 pesos and now they’re in complete havoc. There was a lot more to that story, class tension already had existed for 30 years. Personally I do think that three murders in a subway could start a class war, and I wish the movie would show a little more of the inequality in Gotham to then totally justify the protests and make me feel empathy through justice instead of pity through Joker. Wish you guys took an approach more similar to this than just basically “seems like an overreaction” or whatever you said.
There is a shooting rampage nearly every month so the Joker will do no different.
a shooting in the USA, so unexpected !!!
@@NanashiSaru there wasn't one, but there was a stabbing at "Frozen II"
he does tell second will Smith that he's allergic to bees in that scene, Adam.
wow i thought y'all stopped doing poscast, whether my google podcast is high or you guys don't upload it there anymore, i'm glad i knew y'all still doing it
Please talk about El Camino, if you haven’t already. Love hearing you guys talk.
I trust my sexy Italian stallion Ralph when it comes to pizza
Uhh guys. Requiem for a Dream came out way after King of Comedy unless you’re referring to the book
No they're referring to the movie, Jared Leto is clearly older than Robert De Niro
2 mill subs? OMEDETOU👏👏👏
Of course they mentioned the bee venom thing when Big Willie Style was trying to convince Little Willie Style. As soon as he shoots him, lil will gives him the epipen and says "I had to be sure." How did all 3 of them miss that?
31:46 - I thought his hiding in the fridge was a dream. Like trying to hide from the world one last time.
Playing the two main characters yourself feels like an Adam Sandler level ego trip
You're finally talking about movie I've seen. Now I have my own opinion to compare yours to instead of brandishing your thoughts as my own.
1:19:18 well Canada just banned automatic guns, so...
Which is a good thing
The way you described the character’s motives in King of comedy sounds very much like the fundamental attribution error theory, obviously humans are more complex than a basic theory but the self-fulfilling prophecy aspect seems especially pertinent in this case...
Explaining content through film and animation would be neat... would UA-cam let you show examples of straight clips from movies or would you have to edit them? How does copyright law work outside of the US? That went on a tangent...
To be 100%honest...I find "de-aging" effect distracting in every single film. I'm always like "nope. That's just an old actor with some shit in his face to create a PS3 effect".
Joker is really good great performances all around and interesting story bits nice visuals
9/10
Great intro! My take was always "it's in the bin".
Also we don't know if batman exists during the time of his interview in the final scene.
I think the ending is supposed to be commenting on how some of the craziest people end up on top
Well no one else is uploading anything good. Guess im watching the king of comedy. Lets see how good it is.
For King of Comedy, I took Rupert’s stand-up routine in the end to be mostly made up because in it he makes a joke about his mom being dead but he talks to his mom in his apartment multiple times throughout the movie.
Also, I don’t think that the secretary actually listened to his tape because of how vague her points were for him. Plus what we heard of the recording he made, he sounds like a creepy stalker
Melancholic Spook Oh man that’s spooky~
You want to hear a joke?
Three men talking about how three murders could cause the societal break down of a city irl when one murder this year has caused the societal break down of Hong Kong.
That didn't cause honkong protest at all.
@@Ravi-xf8dw And the murders didn't cause the Gotham protest, what's your point?
Rodney King in LA, Mark Duggan in London....It's very strange to hear multiple critics saying the same thing about how the protests and riots seemed very sudden and unrealistic to them when in reality we have seen the same thing happen over and over in the real world, and Joker makes it very clear with its world-building (the garbage strike, the jaded social workers) that this Gotham was just waiting for something to light its fuse.
Even then you could argue one murder kicked off world war 1
👽 inevitable vegan future 👽
Rodney King getting beaten nor Mark Duggan getting killed weren’t the reasons that the riots happened. It was the jury’s verdict that found the police not guilty that set people off.
1:16
"Ok, so we got a degenerate on the podcast"
Oh boy, if you knew...
Nice to hear you guys caught the nuanced political and social critiques in the Scorsese movie.
next week the lighthouse and parasite wont come to my theatre :(
P3RRI same
They mentioned bee venom in the scene in the cave by the way.
This podcast says a lot about our SOCIETY
How the hell did you actually get David F Sandberg to appear on the show?
Best intro yet hahahahah
I really just want they to acknowledge one simple detail. If the name of the Wayne family was something like "Harrison" or something like that the scene would work just as much. And the answer would be, yes. Just because WE know who the Wayne family outside the movie doesn't mean the scene was ruined that's just bs reasoning. And that pretentious instance of saying the movie is just "okay" gets me everytime and makes my blood boil, because in every level the move is at least above average. And for that reason alone it stands out more than "okay". And some aspects of the movie like the superb acting of Joaquin and the cinematography make the movie stand out as at least pretty good.
The movie didn't even need to be in the DC universe, we already saw the wayne's die like 3 years ago in BVS
@@SuperGamerxl I still really liked it. The script needed to be worked on better.
Tbh I think I would have enjoyed if there wasn't a meeting with Bruce Wayne or if it showed his parents being shot from the view of their shadows without showing anyone go into the alley after them. At the same time they didn't even realize the guy with Bruce was Alfred, which I'd say was subtle, but then whined not knowing if it was him or not then dismissed it.
But Sardonicast are the same people to complain about solo Marvel / DC-related stuff not being linked to a bigger universe.
Tbh I don't really understand the point of "if you removed all the stuff to do with batman, this wouldn't be a batman movie" type criticism. Wayne is clearly seen as someone Joker can envy and focus his (in his mind) justified sense of rage upon. The Waynes are in that way integral to the plot. You could make it someone else and it would have less atachment to Batman, but by the same token you could make Batman a vigilante in Nolans trilogy and drop the costume and it wouldn't be a Batman movie.
I mean, surely we want our comic book movies to function as independent stories, rather than solely relying on the established characters to draw us in.
That's the thing. They are criticizing something that isn't even brought up that much in the movie. It's not like the wayne family is just a throw away line to connect the universe, Thomas is a major piece of the plot and they just dismiss it like Todd just put the wayne family to make people who like batman watch the movie. Everything in the movie works even if you don't know who the wayne family is.
Man, Ralph likes Venom more than these two guys as compare to Adam & Alex likes Aquaman more than Ralph.
So, there you go. Never talk about mass shooters in the news
In the Loop and TToI are amazing
I remember it being "EA games, challenge in everything"
You should get Eric Striffer from Pretty Much It on here as a guest.
Time stamp guy we need you!
Looking forward to what you guys think about Thirst. Chan Wook Park the director said that he deems that movie to be the best movie he made so far