~~~READ THIS BEFORE COMMENTING~~~ 1. BOUNDARIES REGARDING COURTNEY There has to be an establishment of firm boundaries going forward. Which means I will no longer respond to or acknowledge anything said by Courtney after this video's publication. Courtney has violated me in a terrible way, and decided to poison the well before I could talk about it on my own terms. And she continues to behave in a predatory and creepy manner toward me that makes me deeply uncomfortable. I want nothing more from Courtney than for her to stay the hell away from me, and that means I will not be answering anyone trying to play middle-man to her garbage. 2. CONDUCT AND QUESTIONS Please keep comments relevant to the topics discussed. Engaging in whataboutisms or waxing poetic about your history with my content is disrespectful.
1-Boundaries are good. I wanted to recommend some stuff or pick your brain about some shows, but you made it clear you aren't up for that. Boundaries are good. 2-The Worf ending was flawless. Honor to you and your house.
as a former fan of yours I may not agree with what you're saying, but you've always been well-put together. you put so much effort and research when making points, something i've admired for years. you helped me develop a critical eye, and i will always be greatful for that.
I think we need to bring back just being a hater. People cant just say they don't like a UA-camr because they personally subjectively dislike them anymore. Now people just do mental gymnastics to try and accuse people of sexually grooming children when they really just don't like someone for personal reasons.
No words will do justice to the fact that you didn't deserve a moment of the shit you put through. Either as a child or an adult. Even hearing everything laid out, I am still fucking livid at everyone responsible for this, one of which I sincerely considered a friend. But I have never been more grateful to have found you in spite of it. I love you so much, Lily. And I will happily commit twelve years and many more cherishing you like you've always deserved. You will forever be my Sunshine
the "I hate Jerry Peet" part of the video legit made me cry. this is a feeling i know too damn well and symathize deeply with you, Lily. I never belived fourtney's accusations, but I might be engaging in "model victim" fallacy here, so correct me if I do, but I couldn't help but notice how when people who publicly talk about their sexual abuse NEVER go into specific gross details, or at least are very vague about them, judging by myself and all the other peole I heard speak up, including you. I myself abstain from that because it is very triggering for me and I am scared of triggering others. but the way courtney goes on a tangent about your, erhm, bodily fluids in one of the screenshots, is SO CREEPY. it does look way more like hornyposting than sharing a traumatic experience. and the fact that she does that on her blog that supposedly endorsed victims of CSA looks outright sadistic. sending biggest support to you and always will.
I've seen people on twitter saying about this video "look, she's so creepy she drew her sister as that one character from incest game, that means she's weird about her sister in that way!" just proves that people who have parasocial hatred for someone just won't listen to any arguments, they will find any shit to justify harassment no matter how dumb it is
Lord if people actually took time to watch Lily's video on TCOA&LL they would realize that Lily said her sister acts like Ashley and has an abusive, manipulative, and incestuous nature like her, so she made the comparison. Istg I know nothing about this drama yet but I can already see the bandwagoning. Let people joke about their trauma if they want to even.
Its wild they're calling you a groomer over this, when minors go into adult spaces and cry about it all the time, I'm in a few nsfw spaces on twitter (as an adult) and minors come into those spaces and cry about it all the damn time, its not unusual and us adults are so sick of it. Also I love how KP and Brittany keep calling you a groomer in their video despite you both being consenting adults when you two started into the relationship, they're grasping at straws. Not to mention them blatantly ignoring the fact that you were a young person still in your abusive environment not able to access help, of course you're going to lash out and have attachment problems when you're actively in an unhealthy environment. I saw Courtneys allegations when they first came out and I felt bad for her but after later looking more into it I realised how much she posted about it and its fucking insane how obsessed she is with you, I have a lot of friends who've been through abuse like that and many friends who have been so traumatised and they don't like to talk about it at all, they will only mention the smallest detail if its relevant and they absolutely need to, talking about trauma isn't something fun and no one talks about it so spitefully like Courtney does. I haven't really been through trauma like that myself but I have dealt with awful parents and being the black sheep in an environment I was supposed to be safe in and its not something that I like to talk about either, its not fun to remember all the bullying and emotional abuse I've been through so its wild to me how she seems to just talk about it like its nothing. It just does not seem like something a victim would do, it really seems like the mindset of an abuser that is not able to let go. It just really does not seem like the thought process of someone whos actively been through whats shes claiming, media literacy of people in this day and age is really bad, people are not looking into shit as much as they should and taking things at face value far too much. It really reminds me of the tiktoker Inquisitor Ghost, who had false grooming allegations made about him and faked screenshots made, despite so much evidence that he would never allow for that sort of thing to happen and would never do that and he ended up self-unaliving because of the threats, doxxing and harassment that was sent his way. Grooming and S/A allegations are so serious and can really fuck up peoples lives and people do not take that seriously enough. I've never been the biggest fan of your content as its personally not my thing but my twin sister loves your content and will talk to me about it all the time and so I've never held a bad opinion of you that I didn't talk through with her first and get her opinion on as someone who actively consumes your content and interacts with your community, you're a human being and people really need to see that a lot of what you do is to keep yourself and your community safe. Your decision to cut off KP as soon as she said she was uncomfortable around you was so reasonable and the way you curate your space and how you don't put up with bullshit and cut it off at the root is indicative of someone whos gone through a lot and just wants to have a place where you can talk about your opinions and likes without stress. You don't owe them anything and you are entitled to react how you want as a survivour and an adult woman, those who have issues with that honestly need to grow up and learn that your trauma and your way of doing whats best for you, your loved ones and community is not their business.
Exactly!! It's obvious KP made up her mind already at that point and admitted she was talking to conspirators against Lily beforehand Lily obviously saw what was happening and that she was being backed into a corner, so why tf would she feel comfortable continuing the convo at that point?? Profusely apologize for being accused and harassed to make KP feel "less uncomfortable" or something?? Continue defending herself to someone who was recording her and talking to people harassing her?
People on the internet don't interact with each other as if they are talking with real people. If you take a step back and look at all this drama it becomes clear that the people talking about you are far more obsessed with making themselves feel justified and angry than any actual cause. Every drama comment about you is a nonsensical mix of complaints about fanfiction and tv shows mixed with the most horrific accusations imaginable, all phrased as if they support each other. It's this terrible mound of festering internet rage which is nearly impossible to parse. Nobody bothers to even cite anything.
I think this whole situation is the inevitable result of publically growing up on an internet as toxic as this. I have friends who have gone through similar things as you, and I can't imagine how hard it must be to go through that and then have your entire history laid out on the internet for everyone to look at and misinterpret.
And then every time someone disagrees with another one of your internet or political takes, they throw that on the pile of stuff to hate you about. This internet we have built for ourselves feels totally inhuman.
I knew the government hated natives, but good god it’s even worse than I thought. A couple months ago I was taking to an older half black, half native woman (I believe she was Cherokee but don’t quite remember). She was telling me about how when she moved to my state to reconnect with her mothers family she fought with the state BMV for over a year to receive an ID because they didn’t want her to be a registered voter.
God damn some people are weird. Like the way people reacted to your dungeon meshi video is like absurd. Like it looked like you personally break into their home and killed their fucking dog. While in reality you had like idk pretty mild take on dungeon meshi. And i say it at someone who likes studio trigger works.
Even her re-review of Steven Universe, it’s like people are angry that she didn’t have a come to Jesus moment saying Steven Universe is the greatest show ever.
You know, when I first became a fan of this channel I pretty quickly found out there was a cult-like following of haters and was so confused. I found the unapologetic aggression with which you talked about the things you disliked or stood against to be refreshing and cathartic *but* knew that would definitely draw some ire and yet the main things I found people griping about were unrelated and seemed like an almost cartoonish degree of insane. I couldn't be bothered to dedicate hours of research to find the truth but cursory searching only turned up spiteful individuals bent on framing a villain this traumatized trans woman who dared have a different opinion. I basically dropped any interest in what those folks had to say when the first few big things people were pointing me towards were baseless slander and I'm glad to see further investigation would have been a waste of my time.
Just wanted to share my experience on this - I live in Oklahoma as an unenrolled Native American. I'm kinda lightskinned and I have a relatively European face, but my eyes, nose, hair on every part of me and skin undertones are very native. I look like a 50/50 of a white person and a Native person lol. It really sucks, not being able to prove to the government that my family is Native. In the 19th century when our ancestors were meant to sign the scrolls, they didn't. They were afraid (I don't blame them at all) and moved up to Canada, where my Grandma is from. My grandparents tried for many years, but they kept telling us they needed that one thing. So even though we have all this information on our heritage, we can't be recognized. I feel your frustration deep in my soul
I was assaulted (and as I found out recently, I was assaulted repeatedly for two weeks straight instead of treated in a way that made me uncomfortable and then assaulted once), and a year later, my assailant started telling people that I had raped a mutual of ours that I had previously dated because both of us regretting getting together gave him the ammo he needed to discredit my story. I completely feel for you. It's sick that your sister has done that shit to you, and its sick that her projection is swaying people to her side. Im so, so sorry you're going through this, and if there's any way I can help the situation as one of your viewers, I'd like to.
Yeah. My partner and I have both been through similar shit and it's sickening. Accusing people of horrific shit because it's convenient is disgusting, and no one deserves it, not us or her.
“I don’t like interacting with teenagers because... there’s no nice way to say this, they’re dumb as fuck” this made me burst out laughing. My teenage years were one long cringefest and I get a headache whenever I think back on them. Anyway as someone who’s also been stalked both irl and online, I hate all this dumb fucking bullshit you’ve had to go through, and I’m sorry, since you deserve an apology from at least someone.
Lily, you've been one of my favorite analysis channels for years, and the fact that you still have to deal with this extreme level of parasocial hatred is absolutely insane to me. It's disgusting to think that people do this type of psychological warfare to have their own entertainment in their lives. To have people accuse you of life ruining crimes with no proof for sick entertainment is so gross. I know I'm repeating the point, but it's so fucking insane. I know this won't mean much, but I and many of your fans are here for you, you. Not the "drama" as those deplorable people call it, but for you and Mikaila. Thank you so much and please, for your own sake, keep taking care of yourself.
Okay, Sketchy not wanting to talk about Lily behind her back... Gold star. Sketchy, if you're reading this, your a real one. Lily is so lucky to have a friend like you in this modern age.
Im glad you mentioned KP’s attitude during her callout video cause that’s what made me very suspicious about her vid in the first place. I checked it out because I was unaware of the events between you two that proceeded it, so I trusted her. The way she giggled and acted petty was odd because that’s not how she acts when genuinely calling someone out. Her video about Michael Boggs was completely serious with just the occasional insult towards him. There was no pettiness or real jokes cracked. And going back even further when she and Antony C. debunked those slave labor and copyright accusations. That’s when I knew something was suspicious and then it was just confirmed when all the “evidence” was brought up. It was just all gossipy bullshit. I’m sorry about all the shit you went through. As an SA survivor myself, hearing about what your sister did made my stomach turn. I wish nothing but the best for you and Mikaila.
I dismissed people accusations against you immediately the moment I saw people lumping your criticism of Steven universe alongside these accusations as if they are remotely compatible. It was very telling
That is the perfect litmus test for these so-called detractors. It reveals a lot about what is actually fueling their vendetta against Lily. Utterly unhinged behavior.
I like Steven universe, and I really liked Lily’s criticism. Recently I met someone new who also liked Steven universe. I was excited to discuss the show, including some of the valid points I’d learned THROUGH that video. Literally the FIRST sentence out of this persons mouth once Steven Universe had been brought up was “Rebecca Sugar can do no wrong” which honestly creeped me out but I ignored that red flag and mentioned the whole “forgiving space nazis and then retconning the whole story so they were never that bad anyway” was a bit of a mess and this person just stared at me darkly like they knew where I’d heard it. They didn’t rebut it or anything tho. Just cold stare and a vibe of “oh. I see. You’re one of THEM” The phrase “cult like” gets thrown around a lot these days, but I honestly felt like I was talking to a cultist lol once they picked up on the fact that I wanted to DISCUSS the show, the good and the bad, and not just mindlessly simp over it, they immediately stonewalled and that feels culty to me. As does total admiration of the leader with zero tolerance for criticism and intense punishment for naysayers. Just sayin
TLDR the Steven Universe fandom is basically a fucking cult at this point and what’s happening to Lily is just what cults do to anyone who speaks ill of the cult
Yeah, its pretty fucking insane how much hate they have against her because of the Steven Universe video. Like, holy shit, you can't just hold on to that shit yet they do.😅 We gotta laugh but its terrifying.
20:53 “rated for all audiences…… Happy Tree Friends” what? I know for a fact this wasn’t you who said that it was kid friendly and she just didn’t do her research LMAO that’s insane.
"The Internet is already a place of guilty until proven innocent, it cannot be a place of 'guilty because I want you to be'. That's just not how things work." -AugustTheDuck But thank you so much for clearing everything up. You and your wife deserve happiness, and I'm very sorry all of this happened to you.
God, the 'kids lie about their age' thing is also so stupid. I was one of those kids- I was lucky that I have a pretty supportive family. When I expressed repeated interest in stuff like Fullmetal Alchemist before I was technically old enough to engage with them, my mum sat me down and said "I'm okay for you to check out stuff like that if you promise to come to me if anything upsets you". I never once read a book that was meant for 18 year olds and then went "WAH this author upset me!". I don't get pissed at Google because you can search 'tiddies' and turn safesearch off then see tiddies! If a parent isn't willing to supervise their child and the child is willing to intentionally circumvent the safeguards that *are* there, that is no longer anyone else's fault. And it certainly isn't the freaking content creator's fault- that's what the website's safeguards are fucking THERE FOR, and they should be able to trust those.
Yeah my family did a horrible job with this for my sister from a young age so I had to step in and be that adult that supervised her remember people putting a screen infront of a child with both internet and your credit card info and with no safe search or any child safety features is asking for hell to break loose
34:02 "The willful malice with which Ethel does everything. The open dishonesty. The way she makes things up on the spot. And her refusal to give evidence for her claims. These all communicate malice of forethought, which should be her real channel name." Personally, I think her channel name should be Essence of Slander.
KP’s Video was really like “Lily’s a PDF, now here’s a tangent about her native heritage!” Am I the only one who found that super awkward? Like why are we here in a video accusing her of the worst things imaginable?
Like if you don’t enjoy seeing someone pull the V card when accused, just say that and move on. Instead this huge chunk of the video is KP bringing on some rando who claims native heritage and trying to disprove a point that really doesn’t justify the effort in the grand scheme of these accusations. It’s kind of hilarious because with that amount of effort, she’s pretty much saying “Oh, if she WAS native, it would be totally okay if she did all this stuff, but here’s why she’s not.” 😂
I don't pay any heed to any kind of video that titles itself with any kind of "Lily bad" rhetoric (I actively tell UA-cam every time I see them in my recommendeds that I'm not interested in slander vids like that), so there's a lot of this I wasn't aware of before, which is why I always watch videos where you spread everything out and address it like this. The only one I was aware of was Ethel's video, and even then, I could only get 5 minutes in before all the lack of evidence and hearsay mad me so mad that I couldn't watch it anymore. So this video, as painful as I imagine it was to make, is actually very useful for informational purposes. Going down slander rabbit holes like the ones KP and Ethel made is exhausting, especially since that's all it ever is: unreliable slander. I had to take a break and step away part way through your story about your sister. It's absolutely sick what she put you through. You've spoken about that abuse and mentioned how much pain your sister put you through here and there, but hearing the horrors in detail was very intense. There was none of that you deserved. Not a single bit of it. I understand condolences will be kept in the approval queue, as you mentioned, and I suppose that's all this is. Condolences. Again, I just prefer to watch your videos to enjoy your jokes and partake in your thought provoking analysis, so the majority of this was stuff I didn't have much of a clue about until now. It's awful how much these people continue to put you through, but I think it's wonderful how you just keep going, despite them. I wish I had something more enlightening to say, other than the fact that you didn't deserve any of this crap, and I wish there was a way to make these people stop. At the end of the day, I still love your videos, I think your amazing, and I'll always look forward to the next ones.
I first heard of Essence of Thought back when the internet was still in the Debate bro atheist phase. She came into the community at the tail end of my interest in the topic. So I didn't get a lot of time around her before she pivoted to drama stuff. But Genuinely from the bottom of my heart she's the most boring narrator I think I've ever come across. It feels like she leans heavily into the credibility that her accent alone gives her and speaks like a condescending thesaurus. Never got a good vibe from her.
About a year ago I asked you in a stream a question that was poorly worded but was like "hypothetically if someone recommended you start watching a show from season 2 because season 1 was bad would you do it?" And I was mostly meaning to ask about the idea of skipping seasons of shows, but I think it came across as fishing around on how to make a show recommendation to you because I got timed out of the stream. I understood why at the time, but I really really understand now.
So after KP made her video on you, her next video was playing a sexy Jasmine game. The same Jasmine from Aladdin who's supposed to be 15. I think that says a lot about how seriously she takes this.
KP literally responds to the comments on that video calling out the hypocrisy with “I said I ASSUMED the game dev aged Jasmine up! Why are you worrying about a fictional character when Lily has hurt REAL people?! You have such horrible priorities!” Ok yeah KP goes into the game believing Jasmine is 18, but there are absolutely no visual indication that she is an adult, she looks the fucking same! And don’t tell people to not worry about fictional minors, when you are literally dragging someone through the mud over Stockholm Real or not, it’s just a fucking fanfiction that is a drop in the bucket compared to all the other gross fanfics in AO3 and Deviantart When are people going to just leave fanfiction alone and focus more on the real life minors being preyed on online? It’s just a gross and cringy story like all the others, real or not
I saw the stream you and Mikaila did when you worked on this video. After hearing everything laid out from beginning to end, all I can say is HOLY FUCK!!! No one should ever have to go through half of what you experienced. It breaks my heart to hear how much you suffered. But, despite everything, I'm glad you're still here. Hopefully, I'm not overstepping my bounds by offering you and Mikaila a virtual hug.
Ironically just like how "people cannot imagine a world without capitalism" These people who loved G4 MLP, SU, Korra, and all those other things. Like... There's gonna be things that'll come after. Like for these people apparently there's no moving on from a 2 hour criticism video. And while they're still moaning and groaning, normal people are moving onto the newest thing(s). Example, I'm looking forward to the next season of Hazbin, Arcane, the Rick and Morty Anime. it's like "watch a new show guys."
I honestly have been changing my media digest because of these animation fandom. I genuinely feel like I’m watching too much of the same stuff and the group surrounding it is affecting the change too much. I have been finding myself watching a lot of live action shows such as The Wire, Sopranos, Mad men, better call Saul, The Crown, lessons in chemistry, and even young Sheldon because of the fact that I feel like shows aimed at more mature audiences that are live action and are critically acclaimed are not getting to the level of toxicity I have seen in most animation communities. I have never seen anyone try to dox or harass someone like Skip intro on their stance on some shit like abbot elementary. But when you slight at some problems with MLP goddamn these dogs are just gonna come at you even if you are the creator of the show.
I actually watched Essence of thought videos months ago and it always gave me a weird vibe, like, no, just because minors may lie about their age doesn't make it your problem or gives you the moral obligation to self censor, I left a comment about it and left, thinking mostly she was getting carried away, never imagined Essence was actually a drama content mill
Yup and when you do they give you shit for it or try to gaslight you into believing you weren't actually abused yes this actually happens and no it's not just family that'll do this to you ( my whole neighborhood did it to me )
Wait, KP joined in on this? Freaking KP!? After how adamant and thoroughly you defended her during when everyone was jumping down HER throat, how freaking DARE she? You have been nothing but supportive of her for YEARS. I am honestly genuinely impressed, you are a FAR better person than I if you would genuinely forgive her just if she stopped after pulling something like that on you. She's either lying or not doing her due diligence, and after you doing the same for her, any person with a modicum of decency should know better.
Ive been reconnecting with my Hispanic heritage for the past year and so i say with my full chest: F**K anyone who brings skintone or blood quantum into it! The whole reason im having to reconnect is that i was told over and over again that i was too "white looking" to be Hispanic until i started believe them; to the point that i forgot how to speak Spanish. ( I know this video is mostly not about this but this hit close to home was the only part i felt ok speaking of. Hope you're doing well. Sorry any of this happened to you.)
No, Facts. I hate how easily we get dismissed because we don't look the part. Even when we try to get back into our culture, we get bashed for doings so. Especially with the tacky shit. God, i felt that as I wear earrings thing. Trying to find a connection and it cute, so you go for it. However, we for hate for doings that. Like bro, just leave me be. I'm trying. 😅
@@herebyaccident5174 oof, I feel this. I grew up hearing this myself, even though my Abuelo was born and raised in Mexico. I've been reconnecting with my Hispanic heritage over the past few years myself.
The attacks about the steven universe video always bothered me. I've watched the whole series and really enjoyed watching it, but the points you brought up all had some validity, especially the more egregious ones. (eg; forgiving genocidal dictators) I can't imagine the anguish this video caused you while making it, and I'm sorry it had to be made at all. I wish you as much peace and safety as possible for the future.
You know, kind of wished i payed more attention to drama. I've gotten so use to "This youtuber is a pedo" I just kind of shrugged and moved on. Im only now swinging around to look at this. I use to wstch a bunch of your videos as when i was younger. Your glass of water videos. Your long essays. Your rants. I left after the whole "stockhome" story/fan art rage debacle and not really sure where that ended to be honest. Looking at this whole situation...it kind of makes your more aggressive comments in the past make more sence that my younger self never really comprehend. I hope the best for you.
Your content was the thing that helped me realize I was being abused by my parents. It helped me realize just how common fandom spaces blame harass and vague post about anyone who calls out racism, ableism, transphobia, etc. It helped me learn how manage my emotions and stop throwing out all my impulsive thoughts at anything that just slightly pissed me off. No one trying to groom minors or abuse people would ever do something to let them be aware when abuse is happening to them, be aware that society is the problem when it comes to victims and not them for being picked on, nor would they put out advice that helps them recover from their traumas.
I’ll be the first to admit that i don’t always agree with Lily in her review videos. Frankly, I’d say there is a 50% chance I feel the exact opposite way about something as Lily. But that’s why I watch lily. She has always been very clear and logical and painstakingly goes over every detail to support her claims about a given topic. Even if I don’t agree I can understand the perspective and respect the work that it takes to communicate nuanced thought on the internet. That being said, all of those same skills are on full display here and it’s unfortunate that bad faith actors who can’t help but mald at a difference of opinion have signal boosted so much blatant slander. I appreciate this video and I’m sorry to Lily that she felt she had to clear the air here.
Same, there have been a lot of times where I didn’t agree with her opinions on things, but she backs them with evidence and her own thought process so well that I can see where she’s coming from and respect those opinions. I always come out of her videos feeling like I gained something, even if it’s just a new perspective on an aspect of an tv show.
I think something that has always drawn me back to the channel every so often is the firm, no nonsense boundary setting and the emphasis on *why it's like that*. I have a crippling fear of being negatively perceived because I know how arbitrary and unfair gossip storms are (and how destructive they can be). I made myself a persona that's as normative as possible to leave vague positive impressions in every interaction in public I engage in and that leaves me having a hard time making deeper connections. I'm also alienated from my culture / assimilated and I'd be terrified of rejection urgh. I don't want to make the comment about me but like, I also want to let you know that I've always appreciated that you're upfront, blunt and willing to apologize *rather than* needlessly apologetic. When I ask myself "why did you watch this video about horrible things that happened to a media persona you appreciate but don't know" the answer is immediately "because they've often prompted interesting reflections for me. They're thoughtful, well spoken and stay living *despite* all the shit heaped onto them". If the desire for abuse survivors is to tell others how to avoid, assist in coping, and/or helping people keep moving then you definitely help me. It's not *directly* intentional (you don't know me, personally) but it's intended to help people *like* me, and I can offer at least my personal thanks for helping me see myself in different ways. Thank you for making content about abuse that's honest, blunt, well spoken and clear. You're also an entertaining content creator! But like, the abuse advocacy *really* resonates with me. Even when it's you having to advocate for yourself, or maybe especially when you're advocating for yourself. Oftentimes that can be even harder than advocating for others
28:00 So basically every video on every p0rn site that doesn't ask your ID is grooming?💀 Like, I watched PHub for the first time when I was 12 (wanted to see what the hype was about, saw one video, wondered why they were so bad at using the washing machine (/j) and didn't really watch it again until years later) and had no difficulties accessing it at all
The dumb meme being used as “proof” that your into incest is hilarious to me, because the meme is about something that actually happens in real life. Me & my step-sister were very close in high school, we would sit/work together in the same class, we’d walk each other to our classes if possible, we’d sit together away from everyone else because we both struggle with social interaction (mines worse because I’m Autistic whereas my sister is just socially awkward) Because we do all these things people speculated that we were a couple & would ask us directly about it. Now does this mean that me & my step sister are in an incestuous relationship because a bunch of random strangers who don’t know us at all *speculate* about our relationship due to the fact that healthy affectionate relationships of any kind are not normalize in media because they’d rather consume toxic trash? No! The answer is no, because speculation & proof are not the same thing
There seems to be this notion among the intellectually dishonest that if you mention incest at all, that means you're somehow into it? It's very weird, especially given I had to spent $8,000 in therapy dealing with Courtney's abuse.
The idea that there are people in the world willing to accuse you of every sex-crime under the sun for the crime of saying something they like is bad is absolutely sickening. Are people that thin-skinned?! How do you get from "I do not like this person because she said (show I like) is bad" to "I must jump on the bandwagon accusing her of mass p*dophilia"? I genuinely cannot conceive of the mind of anyone who thinks that is a sane course of action! I can't express how much I admire you for keeping going amidst all of this, Lily. All the best to you and your wife. You deserve it.
The fact that you never discussed anything about indigenous people or your identity on your channel yet these people choose to pick that hill to die on....
I know you review comments, so this is a personal statement to you. Thank you, you sharing of your experiences has help me so much. I've learned what to avoid in relationships because of you. You have taught me, and hopefully so many others, better than even some teacher have. I understand sharing all of this must be so hard for you, but thank you for sharing it Lily. You're absolutely my favorite content creator and I'm excited to see future reviews of things you actually enjoy.
LITERALLY I AM THE SAME. SHE IS TEACHING ME SO MUCH. So much, more than the adults in my life. I am Canadian, and had an aggressive father, which meant I lived my life as a doormat, thought aggression was bad, thought that watching discussions from the outside without contributing was the sensible thing to do, etc etc and her content is LITERALLY making me a stronger person. Watching this video made me realize I could be a better friend (as instead of listening to my old friends complain about everyone, actually ask them to elaborate and bring others into the conversation.) I'm not friends with them anymore, and my new friend group showers love on each other like I've always wanted to do, but it doesn't matter, if I ever come across people like that again I'll be strong enough to stand up for what's right. Lily literally taught me it's okay to have opinions, it's okay to stand up to people and speak up as long as yours is thought out. You don't have to shrink away, because if you press them enough, one of you will find out you're wrong- if the other person is wrong, you'll feel stronger and justified, if you're wrong, you'll grow and feel more confident in the stance you have in life. I'm fucking pissed at all the people that are doing this to Lily, but I understand why they are. As an abused she made friends with the wrong people who can't fucking GROW UP. This made her defensive and rude which to more well adjusted people (which practically makes up EVERYONE) who were raised to be respectful and kind (likable traits that indicate you're a good person), Lily comes off as someone unecessarily hateful, and thus, someone to be dismissed or hated back. When all of that is a consequence of her ABUSE. But most people don't know that, because they're like me and we're young and naive and don't understand how cruel the world can be. You come to understand her more as you with her videos, but people who don't like her won't get to that point. But I get Lily will never soften her content for others (in a previous video she stated it's because she respects her audience to behave like adults- respect that is undeserved, obviously, as most people don't take it the wrong way). Honestly? That's so refreshing. What use is politeness if you're a shit underneath. Be frank and honest and people know you are exactly what they see, and GOD that's refreshing. Thank you Lily. You're genuinely so strong for all the hate and abuse you endured. I know humans are adaptable, but what you do is genuinely remarkable. You are hands down my favorite UA-camr on this platform. No video is fluff or empty analysis. Everything is pure quality, with life lessons punched within. I hope once you cut out all the awful harassers in your life, you stick close to those you love. Even if they never stop, THEY DON'T MATTER. They're complete idiots, your life is a circumstance, and you are such a good person coming out of it. I wish you the best of luck.
Up towards the section of you talking about what it was like going through Courtney's abuse made me cry. That hit so close to home in a way I never really expected. I'm so sorry you're still dealing with all this crap twelve years later while trying your best to recover. While I don't know you personally, even in my place as an outsider I still hope the best for you and your wife.
Rachel ditching you on such flimsy justification is honestly so disgusting (not the most disgusting things you talked about in the video, just a level I feel I can actually comment on after processing everything). You two had been friends for years, and even in that screenshot you showed of your discord server when Courtney returned *had Rachel in it*. The fact that she was there and seemed to recognize on some level just how shaken you were by solely being reached out to, only for Rachel to turn around and ditch you bc "No one would lie about that" (when yes they fucking do, people lie about that regularly)... I have no words for how awful and how much of a stab in the gut that must've been...
Regarding the blood quantum issue, the current BQ requirements are entirely up to each individual band to decide. The Indian Reorganization Act didn't impose any blood quantum restrictions beyond what was used to determine which people of each tribe would create their own laws. After that, a majority of tribes imposed their own BQ restrictions. So when it comes to the issue of Blood Quantum, we do it to ourselves. Also, though the Cherokee Nation doesn't have any BQ restriction, they do require that you have an ancestor documented on the Dawes Roll. Without that, a person isn't recognized by any of the three bands of Cherokee. The bands are ultimately the ones who hold sovereignty to decide who is part of their tribe. But even though Lily isn't an Indian, it's definitely great that she wants to get in touch with that part of her ancestry. The greatest fear with many of the cultural traditions and teachings of many tribes is that they'll be forgotten and fade away, so anybody willing to dive in and learn those traditions is welcome.
Lily, I'm... I'm so fucking sorry... I know I was an annoying fan at one point, and I'm sorry for that. I was listening to one of your videos, and it clicked in my head that *I* was being that kind of fan. You've actually taught me a lot just by making your videos, especially about writing. I feel like I'm a better writer than I was before I started following you. Listening to you talk about how therapy helped you led to me going "I think I need help, too." Now I'm on meds and have much better friends who love me. Y'know, you're the youtuber I've been following the longest. Thank you.
Hi lily. I dont usually interact or coment, but i have been a viewer of you from a long time. I allways love how interesting your perspective on things is and even years ago when you were more abrasive, your tone was never a problem. Even when "rude", you still allways make sense to me. Maybe that's why, after this painfull to watch video, you apollogizing to your audience... broke my heart. So, even if i'm only speaking for myself: I never felt like you were cruel to us. i have never felt like your bundries where unfair. I never fet like we needed any kind of apology. Sorry you had to live so much crap. Thanks for so many years of content.
I'm just someone who quietly enjoys your content, but I just have to say I hope you and your friends/family are safe and continue to enjoy life together. Seeing your abusive sister's account and her audience is genuinely worrying. I just hope everything goes smoother for you all from here on out.
@lily_orchard I usually don’t comment and say anything, but I do watch every video you post. I came here several years ago because you said things that needed to be said, were fearless in saying them, and did it thoughtfully and academically. I say that because I love when you finally let loose and went off queen. The feelings you were feeling and expressing and the raw emotion of it is something I completely understand and empathize. I am not any kind of POC and I’m the most vanilla of minorities being a cisgendered gay white male. But I do understand sexual and physical assault first hand. I endured narcissistic abuse and have had to deal with these in therapy and heal and recover. I am 3 years clean from drugs which I used to cope with the trauma this month. Thank you for putting the words together. You sharing your pain has helped others, because you helped me. As an addict-codependent I didn’t have the capacity to speak to my anger, and being able to hear you express anger and frustration and sadness helped me be able to model. What I am incoherently trying to give words to I think is “I liked your words, you were angry, people can still like you even if you show that you are angry when they hurt you.” I never doubted you. Your true audience who love you will always be here insofar as you keep doing what you’re passionate about. Much love to you and your family ❤
It's baffling how people can dedicate multiple hours long videos to letting you live rent free in their heads for not liking their favorite children's cartoons and not realize how pathetic it makes them look to anyone who doesn't already have a preexisting axe to grind. It would be so much easier for them to just not watch the video and move on with their lives.
The comment you showed about how you behave in a way indicative of a abuse survivor, strong boundaries, casually talking about it, etc., made me have a huge epiphany. I was abused as a child, and relate so strongly to all those things listed, and i realized that so may of my friends who were also abused also have those traits. Those same friends were always the ones labeled as 'rude' or 'bitchy' or worse by our peers for the qualities i always though were just survival 101. never have I realized how deep this continuous poor treatment of abuse survivors went, and how much it is perpetuated.
KP definitely self reported, her refusing to have you there because "she'd deny all the accusations" and offered a third party, likely just there to agree with her shows it was never about having a conversation or discuss anything, it was about convincing Sketchy to go with her. It's a classic when toxic friendships end, the toxic friend wants to rally as many others to their side as possible, usually out of spite. Watching her fail to convince people to even entertain this game would be funny if she wasn't such a draining person
I’m not sure how this would come off, whether weird or just straight up stupid of me- but i’d like to apologise, i’m one of the people who blamed you for worsening Rebecca’s career and if that somehow led to me angering or harming you I apologise. And i’m sorry for everything that happened to you, you genuinely don’t deserve it, i honestly rarely see someone as enduring as you. You were incredibly patient with these horrible people and you didn’t deserve any of it, i hope you’ll become much more happier as time goes on.
Having years of abuse follow you throughout not only your developmental years, but seeping into your online life, is awful. I just discovered the videos about you today after being a fan for just a few short weeks, and when reading the really bold, accusatory titles I was really worried. This was only to actually listen to them in their entirety and leave confused with literally nothing proven. It’s sad that you have to address this and further publicize years of trauma, but I’m glad everything’s been debunked. Nobody deserves something like this. Nobody deserves what you’ve been through.
I don't think I've ever watched a single video of yours but I'm spiritually rooting for you now, because videos *about* you made by your obsessive anti-fanbase won't stop clogging my recommendeds tab. Also wow, I'm so sorry to hear that you have a sister like that and for what she did to you.
It genuinely infuriates me that there are people on this planet who would choose to berate, torture, and other utterly despicable things against a woman who has endured so much simply for money and fame or even worse because they disagreed on a video that you chose to watch and had no actual effect on your life. I simply cannot imagine being so brainumbingly sad that you would rather sit in hatred and pity instead of just enjoying whatever terrible thing you like. I pray to whatever might be listening that these freaks get over this stuff and seek the help they clearly need. Best of wishes to you and your wife.
It is so genuinely upsetting how people just keep going after you. Everything I used to enjoy seems to get either ruined, destroyed, deleted, or "canceled." All you do is make good analysis, and your videos helped me pass my film class in terms of criticism. It gets so annoying that people just keep harassing you.
Great video. I've always thought it strange how people seemed to dogpile onto you with weak info and specifically how they ALWAYS brought up your Steven Universe video. By the way, does anyone know if Lily has addressed the whole Stolkholm thing?
@@kenku6440 I haven't read Stockholm, but having heard a lot about it, I remember thinking, "Huh, that sounds a lot like something a CSA survivor would write.". Largely due to being a CSA survivor myself and writing exactly those kinds of stories as a teen/early adult. Writing is how a lot of people work through things, so I never got the assumption that someone who writes about SA must want to commit it.
@lizzy1876 yeah exactly, it's like hearing about a restaurant giving someone food poisoning like two years ago, and complaining about it like it just happened.
TW: Abuse First, I'm sorry youve been thru all this with these disgusting folks -- as a fellow abuse survivor (though in a diff, not SA direction) -- I noticed a lot of your behaviors and reactions are those of an abuse survivor?? And ppl are fuckin weird?? (Preaching to the converted) You didn't deserve that shit. Also the "Indigenous faker" thing is so funny to me (I'm Lumbee Native on my birthmoms side), cuz ppl clearly dont know how assimilation works and how uncovering and reconnecting to your own history can take time. Bunch a weirdos Second, some person on Tumblr anon sent me TWO ASKS, REALLY ANGRY about agreeing w you on a point you made on your Dungeon Meshi video and I was baffled cuz a) I've commented on a bunch of u and Mikaila's vids in the past w no reaction but from yall and b) they called u an "ableist, racist grifter" and my brain clocked out tbh -- having had issues w online WOC mutuals, it read too familiar so i stopped listening after reading it couple times. I regret deleting and blocking that msg w no screenshots, but you can take me at my word that it happened. Third, all this so say, I've found your authentic reactions and honesty in how you present your work to be very refreshing and i appreciate you've always been kind and respectful in your interactions with me. Im sorry u have to dredge this shit up just to get your point across, and I hope your giving yourself the grace needed to recover.
I'm aware you do not like talking about Stockholm, but is there a specific reason you didn't bring up that accusation in this video or was it just because you didn't want to give it a platform.
I'm a bit angry with myself for falling for essence's videos. I wasn't as aware of the manipulation tactics back then, unfortunately. Recently I had gotten really upset over how dead channels used your name and media opinions to get attention instead of focusing on the accusations. Now that I've been reminded of the evidence my memory exaggerated, I see why. There's nothing to prove this stuff. And the things I still think might be true just don't bother me. I hope you're doing okay. You've been through way too much.
I cant honestly begin to put myself in a headspace where not liking a popular cartoon of all things is justification enough to push so much baseless vitriol towards one person for so long.
OH my lord I just noticed that you included a comment that was replying to me in the kp video, the “the police hung up on me” defense. I know this isn’t relevant but I’m SO happy to have stood up for you in a way that mattered! Love you girly!!!!
Holy god their is an entire ecosystem of UA-cam channels that exist solely to make hit piece regurgitation content about you. Some channels only popular content is just them reacting over other hit pieces. It is a perpetual hate machine for views. This is the most absurd thing I've learned about in a while.
@@fletchergero896 it's bloody wild my dude. And if you ever question them or the reddit boards they treat you like Satan because they know it's all true because of the ecosystem of youtubers. Pepole should fucking study this shit in a psychology class.
I know it's just a drop in an ocean, but all i can do is wish you happiness. May the family you've made for yourself give you all the love that you deserve. And then some
I can't stress enough how much I hope you find all the peace in the world after this. No person should have to endure this amount sheer evil and then have to sit here and explain yourself. You don't deserve this treatment and I am so so sorry you've had to deal with this for so long, my god.
I read through KP's comment section and honestly... it's pretty gross. The one that stood out to me was a comment talking about the panic in your voice when she offered to call Courtney and her response was "It was Ick" and people started backing her up, saying it was because you hadn't prepared enough lies and I was just like wtf? So taking this from their perspective, anyone who sounds panicked at the idea of you contacting their alleged abuser is...ick and telling lies? If you ask me *that* right there is an ick 🤢
When you want to view someone as evil, you can twist anything they say regardless of how ridiculous it is. And frankly any grown adult who says "ick" is not to be taken seriously
It's absolutely covered in armchair psychologists hyper analyzing every statement and action as guilty, I really am curious what the "correct" and "innocent" way to respond to being falsely accused looks like to these people..like did ..did they expect Lily to happily go debatebro on her abuser?? I seriously don't think that would have appeased them AT ALL if anything they would have seen that as even more guilt in their eyes Just literally anything lili could do would be seen as a admittance of guilt to them, it's really frustrating
I cant deny that pain on this level is truly heart shattering, i had to pause the video several time just to stop crying over what i was hearing. The word we live in is so cruel for no reason and the fact that its almost encourage to some degree to be quiet and accept the abuse of those who are suppose to love you is disgusting. I went through similar issues with my family, from being the only boy in a house full of women and get the skin peeled off my face for it to being forced to sleep one there dirty laundry and yet thats still nothing compared to the absolute shit that this video talks about. I have been a follower for years and to see that you have actually found some level of peace and your will to refuse to submit is inspiring. I'm sorry that you're probably just going to receive more mental toucher from these people and more to come. The only thing I can say is KEEP MOVING FORWARD. and keep informing others on serious issues that should be addressed.
Hey! I know not many people are here to speak, but I want to say as someone who’s been quietly following your content for a while, I wish you all the time and care you need to heal. I’ve seen the thumbnails from the clout vortex but never clicked on them because it always seemed wrong- I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you that- but I do want to say that I, and many others probably, wish you well! As a kid who’s gone through stuff myself, the way you set boundaries is inspiring. Please take care
I am at a loss for words for how badly you were treated. It’s truly despicable. Im glad you have found and surrounded yourself with true love and support from your friends and wife as no person deserves what you have been through nor what you continue to go through whenever this bullshit is brought up
Wow , you suffered horribly because of your family , this video explains everything about your attitude , the more time i spend watching your videos , the more i respect you . I learned so much from you but the most valuable thing was to not let people who bother you and abuse you around but rather search other people to befriend who don't do that . As a gay man living in Africa , a place where they literally think that people like me don't even exist and as someone who was abused by his oncle , i learned so much from you about LGBT rights and what is like to be in a healthy relationship and i really thank you for that .
Lily, I've been watching your vids since I was like 14-15. (I'm nearly 23 now). And your channel was always a safe space for me and the abuse I was suffering from growing up in a cult and not being believed about my SA. I'm so happy that you've been able happiness and stability with your wife and thank you for giving me the courage to know my abuse wasn't my fault. 💙
The algorithm showed me a video of someone explaining why you're actually wrong about delicious in dungeon peppered with veiled personal attacks. This was the first time the algorithm ever sent me a video like that about you and I had always wondered "How much clout is there really to chase even going after Lilly?" Fourish month old channel. Average views per video excluding the two videos about you - 269. Average view per video including the two about you - 7673. All I could think was holy shit. Even as someone who's been here for a while that was still real eye opening.
So umm… I feel like I’ve seen a vid or two of yours (your content seems up my alley but I suffer from tiktok brain rot so idk) but I’ve just been hearing your name a lot in the commentary YT space (saw suggested videos but didn’t click any). I’ll hear you out before hearing what others say. Regardless, I hope you’re able to heal since being a name on the internet that everyone throws around is not fun.
the 'parasocial grooming' part is baffling as a csa survivor. it's like saying someone lighting a matchstick in another room is the same thing as arson-you need to have no respect for survivors or be especially dimwitted to take that seriously
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There has to be an establishment of firm boundaries going forward. Which means I will no longer respond to or acknowledge anything said by Courtney after this video's publication. Courtney has violated me in a terrible way, and decided to poison the well before I could talk about it on my own terms. And she continues to behave in a predatory and creepy manner toward me that makes me deeply uncomfortable. I want nothing more from Courtney than for her to stay the hell away from me, and that means I will not be answering anyone trying to play middle-man to her garbage.
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1-Boundaries are good. I wanted to recommend some stuff or pick your brain about some shows, but you made it clear you aren't up for that. Boundaries are good.
2-The Worf ending was flawless. Honor to you and your house.
@@TalonSilvercloud "Oh, very clever Lily. Eat any good shows lately?"
You are more stronger and beautiful then you will ever know, I wish you nothing but happiness in your future.
as a former fan of yours I may not agree with what you're saying, but you've always been well-put together. you put so much effort and research when making points, something i've admired for years. you helped me develop a critical eye, and i will always be greatful for that.
I think we need to bring back just being a hater. People cant just say they don't like a UA-camr because they personally subjectively dislike them anymore. Now people just do mental gymnastics to try and accuse people of sexually grooming children when they really just don't like someone for personal reasons.
I'll admit I lied about my age on youtube as a kid to watch X-men because it was age restricted
No words will do justice to the fact that you didn't deserve a moment of the shit you put through. Either as a child or an adult. Even hearing everything laid out, I am still fucking livid at everyone responsible for this, one of which I sincerely considered a friend. But I have never been more grateful to have found you in spite of it. I love you so much, Lily. And I will happily commit twelve years and many more cherishing you like you've always deserved.
You will forever be my Sunshine
She’s very lucky to have someone like you and deserves every bit of your love ❤.
What they said⬆️
Amen Mika. Amen 😌
That is beyond beautiful to say Mikaila. Please go give that incredible wife of yours the biggest and best hug asap. She deserves it
Daww y'all are so good for eachother
the "I hate Jerry Peet" part of the video legit made me cry. this is a feeling i know too damn well and symathize deeply with you, Lily. I never belived fourtney's accusations, but I might be engaging in "model victim" fallacy here, so correct me if I do, but I couldn't help but notice how when people who publicly talk about their sexual abuse NEVER go into specific gross details, or at least are very vague about them, judging by myself and all the other peole I heard speak up, including you. I myself abstain from that because it is very triggering for me and I am scared of triggering others. but the way courtney goes on a tangent about your, erhm, bodily fluids in one of the screenshots, is SO CREEPY. it does look way more like hornyposting than sharing a traumatic experience. and the fact that she does that on her blog that supposedly endorsed victims of CSA looks outright sadistic. sending biggest support to you and always will.
@@wisdommanari6701 even without the deadname context it's heartbreaking, but the fact that it's a deadname makes this bit so so much sadder and darker
I've seen people on twitter saying about this video "look, she's so creepy she drew her sister as that one character from incest game, that means she's weird about her sister in that way!"
just proves that people who have parasocial hatred for someone just won't listen to any arguments, they will find any shit to justify harassment no matter how dumb it is
Lord if people actually took time to watch Lily's video on TCOA&LL they would realize that Lily said her sister acts like Ashley and has an abusive, manipulative, and incestuous nature like her, so she made the comparison. Istg I know nothing about this drama yet but I can already see the bandwagoning. Let people joke about their trauma if they want to even.
Its wild they're calling you a groomer over this, when minors go into adult spaces and cry about it all the time, I'm in a few nsfw spaces on twitter (as an adult) and minors come into those spaces and cry about it all the damn time, its not unusual and us adults are so sick of it.
Also I love how KP and Brittany keep calling you a groomer in their video despite you both being consenting adults when you two started into the relationship, they're grasping at straws. Not to mention them blatantly ignoring the fact that you were a young person still in your abusive environment not able to access help, of course you're going to lash out and have attachment problems when you're actively in an unhealthy environment.
I saw Courtneys allegations when they first came out and I felt bad for her but after later looking more into it I realised how much she posted about it and its fucking insane how obsessed she is with you, I have a lot of friends who've been through abuse like that and many friends who have been so traumatised and they don't like to talk about it at all, they will only mention the smallest detail if its relevant and they absolutely need to, talking about trauma isn't something fun and no one talks about it so spitefully like Courtney does.
I haven't really been through trauma like that myself but I have dealt with awful parents and being the black sheep in an environment I was supposed to be safe in and its not something that I like to talk about either, its not fun to remember all the bullying and emotional abuse I've been through so its wild to me how she seems to just talk about it like its nothing. It just does not seem like something a victim would do, it really seems like the mindset of an abuser that is not able to let go.
It just really does not seem like the thought process of someone whos actively been through whats shes claiming, media literacy of people in this day and age is really bad, people are not looking into shit as much as they should and taking things at face value far too much. It really reminds me of the tiktoker Inquisitor Ghost, who had false grooming allegations made about him and faked screenshots made, despite so much evidence that he would never allow for that sort of thing to happen and would never do that and he ended up self-unaliving because of the threats, doxxing and harassment that was sent his way. Grooming and S/A allegations are so serious and can really fuck up peoples lives and people do not take that seriously enough.
I've never been the biggest fan of your content as its personally not my thing but my twin sister loves your content and will talk to me about it all the time and so I've never held a bad opinion of you that I didn't talk through with her first and get her opinion on as someone who actively consumes your content and interacts with your community, you're a human being and people really need to see that a lot of what you do is to keep yourself and your community safe. Your decision to cut off KP as soon as she said she was uncomfortable around you was so reasonable and the way you curate your space and how you don't put up with bullshit and cut it off at the root is indicative of someone whos gone through a lot and just wants to have a place where you can talk about your opinions and likes without stress.
You don't owe them anything and you are entitled to react how you want as a survivour and an adult woman, those who have issues with that honestly need to grow up and learn that your trauma and your way of doing whats best for you, your loved ones and community is not their business.
Exactly!! It's obvious KP made up her mind already at that point and admitted she was talking to conspirators against Lily beforehand
Lily obviously saw what was happening and that she was being backed into a corner, so why tf would she feel comfortable continuing the convo at that point??
Profusely apologize for being accused and harassed to make KP feel "less uncomfortable" or something?? Continue defending herself to someone who was recording her and talking to people harassing her?
People on the internet don't interact with each other as if they are talking with real people. If you take a step back and look at all this drama it becomes clear that the people talking about you are far more obsessed with making themselves feel justified and angry than any actual cause.
Every drama comment about you is a nonsensical mix of complaints about fanfiction and tv shows mixed with the most horrific accusations imaginable, all phrased as if they support each other. It's this terrible mound of festering internet rage which is nearly impossible to parse. Nobody bothers to even cite anything.
I think this whole situation is the inevitable result of publically growing up on an internet as toxic as this. I have friends who have gone through similar things as you, and I can't imagine how hard it must be to go through that and then have your entire history laid out on the internet for everyone to look at and misinterpret.
And then every time someone disagrees with another one of your internet or political takes, they throw that on the pile of stuff to hate you about. This internet we have built for ourselves feels totally inhuman.
I knew the government hated natives, but good god it’s even worse than I thought. A couple months ago I was taking to an older half black, half native woman (I believe she was Cherokee but don’t quite remember). She was telling me about how when she moved to my state to reconnect with her mothers family she fought with the state BMV for over a year to receive an ID because they didn’t want her to be a registered voter.
God damn some people are weird. Like the way people reacted to your dungeon meshi video is like absurd. Like it looked like you personally break into their home and killed their fucking dog. While in reality you had like idk pretty mild take on dungeon meshi. And i say it at someone who likes studio trigger works.
Even her re-review of Steven Universe, it’s like people are angry that she didn’t have a come to Jesus moment saying Steven Universe is the greatest show ever.
You know, when I first became a fan of this channel I pretty quickly found out there was a cult-like following of haters and was so confused. I found the unapologetic aggression with which you talked about the things you disliked or stood against to be refreshing and cathartic *but* knew that would definitely draw some ire and yet the main things I found people griping about were unrelated and seemed like an almost cartoonish degree of insane. I couldn't be bothered to dedicate hours of research to find the truth but cursory searching only turned up spiteful individuals bent on framing a villain this traumatized trans woman who dared have a different opinion. I basically dropped any interest in what those folks had to say when the first few big things people were pointing me towards were baseless slander and I'm glad to see further investigation would have been a waste of my time.
Just wanted to share my experience on this - I live in Oklahoma as an unenrolled Native American. I'm kinda lightskinned and I have a relatively European face, but my eyes, nose, hair on every part of me and skin undertones are very native. I look like a 50/50 of a white person and a Native person lol. It really sucks, not being able to prove to the government that my family is Native. In the 19th century when our ancestors were meant to sign the scrolls, they didn't. They were afraid (I don't blame them at all) and moved up to Canada, where my Grandma is from. My grandparents tried for many years, but they kept telling us they needed that one thing. So even though we have all this information on our heritage, we can't be recognized. I feel your frustration deep in my soul
I was assaulted (and as I found out recently, I was assaulted repeatedly for two weeks straight instead of treated in a way that made me uncomfortable and then assaulted once), and a year later, my assailant started telling people that I had raped a mutual of ours that I had previously dated because both of us regretting getting together gave him the ammo he needed to discredit my story. I completely feel for you. It's sick that your sister has done that shit to you, and its sick that her projection is swaying people to her side. Im so, so sorry you're going through this, and if there's any way I can help the situation as one of your viewers, I'd like to.
Yeah. My partner and I have both been through similar shit and it's sickening. Accusing people of horrific shit because it's convenient is disgusting, and no one deserves it, not us or her.
“I don’t like interacting with teenagers because... there’s no nice way to say this, they’re dumb as fuck” this made me burst out laughing. My teenage years were one long cringefest and I get a headache whenever I think back on them. Anyway as someone who’s also been stalked both irl and online, I hate all this dumb fucking bullshit you’ve had to go through, and I’m sorry, since you deserve an apology from at least someone.
Lily, you've been one of my favorite analysis channels for years, and the fact that you still have to deal with this extreme level of parasocial hatred is absolutely insane to me. It's disgusting to think that people do this type of psychological warfare to have their own entertainment in their lives. To have people accuse you of life ruining crimes with no proof for sick entertainment is so gross. I know I'm repeating the point, but it's so fucking insane. I know this won't mean much, but I and many of your fans are here for you, you. Not the "drama" as those deplorable people call it, but for you and Mikaila. Thank you so much and please, for your own sake, keep taking care of yourself.
Okay, Sketchy not wanting to talk about Lily behind her back...
Gold star. Sketchy, if you're reading this, your a real one.
Lily is so lucky to have a friend like you in this modern age.
Im glad you mentioned KP’s attitude during her callout video cause that’s what made me very suspicious about her vid in the first place. I checked it out because I was unaware of the events between you two that proceeded it, so I trusted her. The way she giggled and acted petty was odd because that’s not how she acts when genuinely calling someone out.
Her video about Michael Boggs was completely serious with just the occasional insult towards him. There was no pettiness or real jokes cracked. And going back even further when she and Antony C. debunked those slave labor and copyright accusations.
That’s when I knew something was suspicious and then it was just confirmed when all the “evidence” was brought up. It was just all gossipy bullshit.
I’m sorry about all the shit you went through. As an SA survivor myself, hearing about what your sister did made my stomach turn. I wish nothing but the best for you and Mikaila.
I dismissed people accusations against you immediately the moment I saw people lumping your criticism of Steven universe alongside these accusations as if they are remotely compatible. It was very telling
That is the perfect litmus test for these so-called detractors. It reveals a lot about what is actually fueling their vendetta against Lily. Utterly unhinged behavior.
I like Steven universe, and I really liked Lily’s criticism.
Recently I met someone new who also liked Steven universe. I was excited to discuss the show, including some of the valid points I’d learned THROUGH that video.
Literally the FIRST sentence out of this persons mouth once Steven Universe had been brought up was “Rebecca Sugar can do no wrong” which honestly creeped me out but I ignored that red flag and mentioned the whole “forgiving space nazis and then retconning the whole story so they were never that bad anyway” was a bit of a mess and this person just stared at me darkly like they knew where I’d heard it.
They didn’t rebut it or anything tho. Just cold stare and a vibe of “oh. I see. You’re one of THEM”
The phrase “cult like” gets thrown around a lot these days, but I honestly felt like I was talking to a cultist lol once they picked up on the fact that I wanted to DISCUSS the show, the good and the bad, and not just mindlessly simp over it, they immediately stonewalled and that feels culty to me. As does total admiration of the leader with zero tolerance for criticism and intense punishment for naysayers.
Just sayin
TLDR the Steven Universe fandom is basically a fucking cult at this point and what’s happening to Lily is just what cults do to anyone who speaks ill of the cult
Yeah, its pretty fucking insane how much hate they have against her because of the Steven Universe video. Like, holy shit, you can't just hold on to that shit yet they do.😅
We gotta laugh but its terrifying.
20:53 “rated for all audiences…… Happy Tree Friends” what? I know for a fact this wasn’t you who said that it was kid friendly and she just didn’t do her research LMAO that’s insane.
No I listed those examples off myself. Happy Tree Friends' addition was a joke
"The Internet is already a place of guilty until proven innocent, it cannot be a place of 'guilty because I want you to be'. That's just not how things work."
-AugustTheDuck
But thank you so much for clearing everything up. You and your wife deserve happiness, and I'm very sorry all of this happened to you.
God, the 'kids lie about their age' thing is also so stupid. I was one of those kids- I was lucky that I have a pretty supportive family. When I expressed repeated interest in stuff like Fullmetal Alchemist before I was technically old enough to engage with them, my mum sat me down and said "I'm okay for you to check out stuff like that if you promise to come to me if anything upsets you". I never once read a book that was meant for 18 year olds and then went "WAH this author upset me!".
I don't get pissed at Google because you can search 'tiddies' and turn safesearch off then see tiddies! If a parent isn't willing to supervise their child and the child is willing to intentionally circumvent the safeguards that *are* there, that is no longer anyone else's fault. And it certainly isn't the freaking content creator's fault- that's what the website's safeguards are fucking THERE FOR, and they should be able to trust those.
the amount of times i intruded into adults spaces as a kid is my fault and mine alone
Yeah my family did a horrible job with this for my sister from a young age so I had to step in and be that adult that supervised her remember people putting a screen infront of a child with both internet and your credit card info and with no safe search or any child safety features is asking for hell to break loose
34:02 "The willful malice with which Ethel does everything. The open dishonesty. The way she makes things up on the spot. And her refusal to give evidence for her claims. These all communicate malice of forethought, which should be her real channel name."
Personally, I think her channel name should be Essence of Slander.
KP’s Video was really like “Lily’s a PDF, now here’s a tangent about her native heritage!” Am I the only one who found that super awkward? Like why are we here in a video accusing her of the worst things imaginable?
Like if you don’t enjoy seeing someone pull the V card when accused, just say that and move on. Instead this huge chunk of the video is KP bringing on some rando who claims native heritage and trying to disprove a point that really doesn’t justify the effort in the grand scheme of these accusations. It’s kind of hilarious because with that amount of effort, she’s pretty much saying “Oh, if she WAS native, it would be totally okay if she did all this stuff, but here’s why she’s not.” 😂
I don't pay any heed to any kind of video that titles itself with any kind of "Lily bad" rhetoric (I actively tell UA-cam every time I see them in my recommendeds that I'm not interested in slander vids like that), so there's a lot of this I wasn't aware of before, which is why I always watch videos where you spread everything out and address it like this. The only one I was aware of was Ethel's video, and even then, I could only get 5 minutes in before all the lack of evidence and hearsay mad me so mad that I couldn't watch it anymore. So this video, as painful as I imagine it was to make, is actually very useful for informational purposes. Going down slander rabbit holes like the ones KP and Ethel made is exhausting, especially since that's all it ever is: unreliable slander.
I had to take a break and step away part way through your story about your sister. It's absolutely sick what she put you through. You've spoken about that abuse and mentioned how much pain your sister put you through here and there, but hearing the horrors in detail was very intense. There was none of that you deserved. Not a single bit of it.
I understand condolences will be kept in the approval queue, as you mentioned, and I suppose that's all this is. Condolences. Again, I just prefer to watch your videos to enjoy your jokes and partake in your thought provoking analysis, so the majority of this was stuff I didn't have much of a clue about until now. It's awful how much these people continue to put you through, but I think it's wonderful how you just keep going, despite them. I wish I had something more enlightening to say, other than the fact that you didn't deserve any of this crap, and I wish there was a way to make these people stop.
At the end of the day, I still love your videos, I think your amazing, and I'll always look forward to the next ones.
firefox has an addon that lets you block yt channels^^
I first heard of Essence of Thought back when the internet was still in the Debate bro atheist phase. She came into the community at the tail end of my interest in the topic. So I didn't get a lot of time around her before she pivoted to drama stuff. But Genuinely from the bottom of my heart she's the most boring narrator I think I've ever come across. It feels like she leans heavily into the credibility that her accent alone gives her and speaks like a condescending thesaurus. Never got a good vibe from her.
About a year ago I asked you in a stream a question that was poorly worded but was like "hypothetically if someone recommended you start watching a show from season 2 because season 1 was bad would you do it?" And I was mostly meaning to ask about the idea of skipping seasons of shows, but I think it came across as fishing around on how to make a show recommendation to you because I got timed out of the stream. I understood why at the time, but I really really understand now.
So after KP made her video on you, her next video was playing a sexy Jasmine game. The same Jasmine from Aladdin who's supposed to be 15. I think that says a lot about how seriously she takes this.
Oh it gets worse. The game she is playing is a literal grooming simulator
KP literally responds to the comments on that video calling out the hypocrisy with “I said I ASSUMED the game dev aged Jasmine up! Why are you worrying about a fictional character when Lily has hurt REAL people?! You have such horrible priorities!”
Ok yeah KP goes into the game believing Jasmine is 18, but there are absolutely no visual indication that she is an adult, she looks the fucking same!
And don’t tell people to not worry about fictional minors, when you are literally dragging someone through the mud over Stockholm
Real or not, it’s just a fucking fanfiction that is a drop in the bucket compared to all the other gross fanfics in AO3 and Deviantart
When are people going to just leave fanfiction alone and focus more on the real life minors being preyed on online? It’s just a gross and cringy story like all the others, real or not
I saw the stream you and Mikaila did when you worked on this video. After hearing everything laid out from beginning to end, all I can say is HOLY FUCK!!! No one should ever have to go through half of what you experienced.
It breaks my heart to hear how much you suffered. But, despite everything, I'm glad you're still here. Hopefully, I'm not overstepping my bounds by offering you and Mikaila a virtual hug.
Ironically just like how "people cannot imagine a world without capitalism"
These people who loved G4 MLP, SU, Korra, and all those other things.
Like... There's gonna be things that'll come after. Like for these people apparently there's no moving on from a 2 hour criticism video.
And while they're still moaning and groaning, normal people are moving onto the newest thing(s).
Example, I'm looking forward to the next season of Hazbin, Arcane, the Rick and Morty Anime.
it's like "watch a new show guys."
I honestly have been changing my media digest because of these animation fandom. I genuinely feel like I’m watching too much of the same stuff and the group surrounding it is affecting the change too much. I have been finding myself watching a lot of live action shows such as The Wire, Sopranos, Mad men, better call Saul, The Crown, lessons in chemistry, and even young Sheldon because of the fact that I feel like shows aimed at more mature audiences that are live action and are critically acclaimed are not getting to the level of toxicity I have seen in most animation communities. I have never seen anyone try to dox or harass someone like Skip intro on their stance on some shit like abbot elementary. But when you slight at some problems with MLP goddamn these dogs are just gonna come at you even if you are the creator of the show.
I actually watched Essence of thought videos months ago and it always gave me a weird vibe, like, no, just because minors may lie about their age doesn't make it your problem or gives you the moral obligation to self censor, I left a comment about it and left, thinking mostly she was getting carried away, never imagined Essence was actually a drama content mill
The fun thing about being an abuse survivor is people just expect you not to act like an abuse survivor... Its seriously ridiculous
Yup and when you do they give you shit for it or try to gaslight you into believing you weren't actually abused yes this actually happens and no it's not just family that'll do this to you ( my whole neighborhood did it to me )
Wait, KP joined in on this? Freaking KP!? After how adamant and thoroughly you defended her during when everyone was jumping down HER throat, how freaking DARE she? You have been nothing but supportive of her for YEARS. I am honestly genuinely impressed, you are a FAR better person than I if you would genuinely forgive her just if she stopped after pulling something like that on you. She's either lying or not doing her due diligence, and after you doing the same for her, any person with a modicum of decency should know better.
Ive been reconnecting with my Hispanic heritage for the past year and so i say with my full chest: F**K anyone who brings skintone or blood quantum into it!
The whole reason im having to reconnect is that i was told over and over again that i was too "white looking" to be Hispanic until i started believe them; to the point that i forgot how to speak Spanish.
( I know this video is mostly not about this but this hit close to home was the only part i felt ok speaking of. Hope you're doing well. Sorry any of this happened to you.)
No, Facts. I hate how easily we get dismissed because we don't look the part. Even when we try to get back into our culture, we get bashed for doings so.
Especially with the tacky shit. God, i felt that as I wear earrings thing. Trying to find a connection and it cute, so you go for it. However, we for hate for doings that.
Like bro, just leave me be. I'm trying. 😅
@@herebyaccident5174 oof, I feel this. I grew up hearing this myself, even though my Abuelo was born and raised in Mexico. I've been reconnecting with my Hispanic heritage over the past few years myself.
The attacks about the steven universe video always bothered me. I've watched the whole series and really enjoyed watching it, but the points you brought up all had some validity, especially the more egregious ones. (eg; forgiving genocidal dictators)
I can't imagine the anguish this video caused you while making it, and I'm sorry it had to be made at all. I wish you as much peace and safety as possible for the future.
You know, kind of wished i payed more attention to drama. I've gotten so use to "This youtuber is a pedo" I just kind of shrugged and moved on. Im only now swinging around to look at this.
I use to wstch a bunch of your videos as when i was younger. Your glass of water videos. Your long essays. Your rants. I left after the whole "stockhome" story/fan art rage debacle and not really sure where that ended to be honest. Looking at this whole situation...it kind of makes your more aggressive comments in the past make more sence that my younger self never really comprehend.
I hope the best for you.
A lot of "UA-camr is a pedo" scandals are actually fake or severely misinterpreted.
Your content was the thing that helped me realize I was being abused by my parents. It helped me realize just how common fandom spaces blame harass and vague post about anyone who calls out racism, ableism, transphobia, etc. It helped me learn how manage my emotions and stop throwing out all my impulsive thoughts at anything that just slightly pissed me off. No one trying to groom minors or abuse people would ever do something to let them be aware when abuse is happening to them, be aware that society is the problem when it comes to victims and not them for being picked on, nor would they put out advice that helps them recover from their traumas.
I’ll be the first to admit that i don’t always agree with Lily in her review videos. Frankly, I’d say there is a 50% chance I feel the exact opposite way about something as Lily. But that’s why I watch lily. She has always been very clear and logical and painstakingly goes over every detail to support her claims about a given topic. Even if I don’t agree I can understand the perspective and respect the work that it takes to communicate nuanced thought on the internet.
That being said, all of those same skills are on full display here and it’s unfortunate that bad faith actors who can’t help but mald at a difference of opinion have signal boosted so much blatant slander. I appreciate this video and I’m sorry to Lily that she felt she had to clear the air here.
Same, there have been a lot of times where I didn’t agree with her opinions on things, but she backs them with evidence and her own thought process so well that I can see where she’s coming from and respect those opinions. I always come out of her videos feeling like I gained something, even if it’s just a new perspective on an aspect of an tv show.
I think something that has always drawn me back to the channel every so often is the firm, no nonsense boundary setting and the emphasis on *why it's like that*. I have a crippling fear of being negatively perceived because I know how arbitrary and unfair gossip storms are (and how destructive they can be). I made myself a persona that's as normative as possible to leave vague positive impressions in every interaction in public I engage in and that leaves me having a hard time making deeper connections.
I'm also alienated from my culture / assimilated and I'd be terrified of rejection urgh.
I don't want to make the comment about me but like, I also want to let you know that I've always appreciated that you're upfront, blunt and willing to apologize *rather than* needlessly apologetic. When I ask myself "why did you watch this video about horrible things that happened to a media persona you appreciate but don't know" the answer is immediately "because they've often prompted interesting reflections for me. They're thoughtful, well spoken and stay living *despite* all the shit heaped onto them".
If the desire for abuse survivors is to tell others how to avoid, assist in coping, and/or helping people keep moving then you definitely help me. It's not *directly* intentional (you don't know me, personally) but it's intended to help people *like* me, and I can offer at least my personal thanks for helping me see myself in different ways. Thank you for making content about abuse that's honest, blunt, well spoken and clear.
You're also an entertaining content creator! But like, the abuse advocacy *really* resonates with me. Even when it's you having to advocate for yourself, or maybe especially when you're advocating for yourself. Oftentimes that can be even harder than advocating for others
28:00 So basically every video on every p0rn site that doesn't ask your ID is grooming?💀
Like, I watched PHub for the first time when I was 12 (wanted to see what the hype was about, saw one video, wondered why they were so bad at using the washing machine (/j) and didn't really watch it again until years later) and had no difficulties accessing it at all
The dumb meme being used as “proof” that your into incest is hilarious to me, because the meme is about something that actually happens in real life. Me & my step-sister were very close in high school, we would sit/work together in the same class, we’d walk each other to our classes if possible, we’d sit together away from everyone else because we both struggle with social interaction (mines worse because I’m Autistic whereas my sister is just socially awkward) Because we do all these things people speculated that we were a couple & would ask us directly about it.
Now does this mean that me & my step sister are in an incestuous relationship because a bunch of random strangers who don’t know us at all *speculate* about our relationship due to the fact that healthy affectionate relationships of any kind are not normalize in media because they’d rather consume toxic trash? No! The answer is no, because speculation & proof are not the same thing
There seems to be this notion among the intellectually dishonest that if you mention incest at all, that means you're somehow into it? It's very weird, especially given I had to spent $8,000 in therapy dealing with Courtney's abuse.
The idea that there are people in the world willing to accuse you of every sex-crime under the sun for the crime of saying something they like is bad is absolutely sickening. Are people that thin-skinned?! How do you get from "I do not like this person because she said (show I like) is bad" to "I must jump on the bandwagon accusing her of mass p*dophilia"? I genuinely cannot conceive of the mind of anyone who thinks that is a sane course of action!
I can't express how much I admire you for keeping going amidst all of this, Lily. All the best to you and your wife. You deserve it.
The fact that you never discussed anything about indigenous people or your identity on your channel yet these people choose to pick that hill to die on....
I know my place as a displaced, unenrolled person. Madd does not.
@@LilianOrchard INDIGENOUS PRIDE BABY LETS GOOO
I know you review comments, so this is a personal statement to you.
Thank you, you sharing of your experiences has help me so much. I've learned what to avoid in relationships because of you. You have taught me, and hopefully so many others, better than even some teacher have. I understand sharing all of this must be so hard for you, but thank you for sharing it Lily. You're absolutely my favorite content creator and I'm excited to see future reviews of things you actually enjoy.
LITERALLY I AM THE SAME. SHE IS TEACHING ME SO MUCH. So much, more than the adults in my life. I am Canadian, and had an aggressive father, which meant I lived my life as a doormat, thought aggression was bad, thought that watching discussions from the outside without contributing was the sensible thing to do, etc etc and her content is LITERALLY making me a stronger person. Watching this video made me realize I could be a better friend (as instead of listening to my old friends complain about everyone, actually ask them to elaborate and bring others into the conversation.) I'm not friends with them anymore, and my new friend group showers love on each other like I've always wanted to do, but it doesn't matter, if I ever come across people like that again I'll be strong enough to stand up for what's right.
Lily literally taught me it's okay to have opinions, it's okay to stand up to people and speak up as long as yours is thought out. You don't have to shrink away, because if you press them enough, one of you will find out you're wrong- if the other person is wrong, you'll feel stronger and justified, if you're wrong, you'll grow and feel more confident in the stance you have in life.
I'm fucking pissed at all the people that are doing this to Lily, but I understand why they are. As an abused she made friends with the wrong people who can't fucking GROW UP. This made her defensive and rude which to more well adjusted people (which practically makes up EVERYONE) who were raised to be respectful and kind (likable traits that indicate you're a good person), Lily comes off as someone unecessarily hateful, and thus, someone to be dismissed or hated back. When all of that is a consequence of her ABUSE. But most people don't know that, because they're like me and we're young and naive and don't understand how cruel the world can be. You come to understand her more as you with her videos, but people who don't like her won't get to that point.
But I get Lily will never soften her content for others (in a previous video she stated it's because she respects her audience to behave like adults- respect that is undeserved, obviously, as most people don't take it the wrong way). Honestly? That's so refreshing. What use is politeness if you're a shit underneath. Be frank and honest and people know you are exactly what they see, and GOD that's refreshing.
Thank you Lily. You're genuinely so strong for all the hate and abuse you endured. I know humans are adaptable, but what you do is genuinely remarkable. You are hands down my favorite UA-camr on this platform. No video is fluff or empty analysis. Everything is pure quality, with life lessons punched within. I hope once you cut out all the awful harassers in your life, you stick close to those you love. Even if they never stop, THEY DON'T MATTER. They're complete idiots, your life is a circumstance, and you are such a good person coming out of it.
I wish you the best of luck.
Up towards the section of you talking about what it was like going through Courtney's abuse made me cry. That hit so close to home in a way I never really expected.
I'm so sorry you're still dealing with all this crap twelve years later while trying your best to recover. While I don't know you personally, even in my place as an outsider I still hope the best for you and your wife.
Rachel ditching you on such flimsy justification is honestly so disgusting (not the most disgusting things you talked about in the video, just a level I feel I can actually comment on after processing everything). You two had been friends for years, and even in that screenshot you showed of your discord server when Courtney returned *had Rachel in it*. The fact that she was there and seemed to recognize on some level just how shaken you were by solely being reached out to, only for Rachel to turn around and ditch you bc "No one would lie about that" (when yes they fucking do, people lie about that regularly)... I have no words for how awful and how much of a stab in the gut that must've been...
Regarding the blood quantum issue, the current BQ requirements are entirely up to each individual band to decide. The Indian Reorganization Act didn't impose any blood quantum restrictions beyond what was used to determine which people of each tribe would create their own laws. After that, a majority of tribes imposed their own BQ restrictions. So when it comes to the issue of Blood Quantum, we do it to ourselves.
Also, though the Cherokee Nation doesn't have any BQ restriction, they do require that you have an ancestor documented on the Dawes Roll. Without that, a person isn't recognized by any of the three bands of Cherokee. The bands are ultimately the ones who hold sovereignty to decide who is part of their tribe.
But even though Lily isn't an Indian, it's definitely great that she wants to get in touch with that part of her ancestry. The greatest fear with many of the cultural traditions and teachings of many tribes is that they'll be forgotten and fade away, so anybody willing to dive in and learn those traditions is welcome.
Lily, I'm... I'm so fucking sorry...
I know I was an annoying fan at one point, and I'm sorry for that. I was listening to one of your videos, and it clicked in my head that *I* was being that kind of fan. You've actually taught me a lot just by making your videos, especially about writing. I feel like I'm a better writer than I was before I started following you. Listening to you talk about how therapy helped you led to me going "I think I need help, too." Now I'm on meds and have much better friends who love me. Y'know, you're the youtuber I've been following the longest.
Thank you.
Hi lily. I dont usually interact or coment, but i have been a viewer of you from a long time. I allways love how interesting your perspective on things is and even years ago when you were more abrasive, your tone was never a problem. Even when "rude", you still allways make sense to me. Maybe that's why, after this painfull to watch video, you apollogizing to your audience... broke my heart. So, even if i'm only speaking for myself:
I never felt like you were cruel to us. i have never felt like your bundries where unfair. I never fet like we needed any kind of apology.
Sorry you had to live so much crap. Thanks for so many years of content.
I'm just someone who quietly enjoys your content, but I just have to say I hope you and your friends/family are safe and continue to enjoy life together. Seeing your abusive sister's account and her audience is genuinely worrying. I just hope everything goes smoother for you all from here on out.
@lily_orchard
I usually don’t comment and say anything, but I do watch every video you post. I came here several years ago because you said things that needed to be said, were fearless in saying them, and did it thoughtfully and academically.
I say that because I love when you finally let loose and went off queen. The feelings you were feeling and expressing and the raw emotion of it is something I completely understand and empathize.
I am not any kind of POC and I’m the most vanilla of minorities being a cisgendered gay white male. But I do understand sexual and physical assault first hand. I endured narcissistic abuse and have had to deal with these in therapy and heal and recover. I am 3 years clean from drugs which I used to cope with the trauma this month.
Thank you for putting the words together. You sharing your pain has helped others, because you helped me. As an addict-codependent I didn’t have the capacity to speak to my anger, and being able to hear you express anger and frustration and sadness helped me be able to model. What I am incoherently trying to give words to I think is “I liked your words, you were angry, people can still like you even if you show that you are angry when they hurt you.”
I never doubted you. Your true audience who love you will always be here insofar as you keep doing what you’re passionate about.
Much love to you and your family ❤
It's baffling how people can dedicate multiple hours long videos to letting you live rent free in their heads for not liking their favorite children's cartoons and not realize how pathetic it makes them look to anyone who doesn't already have a preexisting axe to grind. It would be so much easier for them to just not watch the video and move on with their lives.
The comment you showed about how you behave in a way indicative of a abuse survivor, strong boundaries, casually talking about it, etc., made me have a huge epiphany. I was abused as a child, and relate so strongly to all those things listed, and i realized that so may of my friends who were also abused also have those traits. Those same friends were always the ones labeled as 'rude' or 'bitchy' or worse by our peers for the qualities i always though were just survival 101. never have I realized how deep this continuous poor treatment of abuse survivors went, and how much it is perpetuated.
KP definitely self reported, her refusing to have you there because "she'd deny all the accusations" and offered a third party, likely just there to agree with her shows it was never about having a conversation or discuss anything, it was about convincing Sketchy to go with her.
It's a classic when toxic friendships end, the toxic friend wants to rally as many others to their side as possible, usually out of spite.
Watching her fail to convince people to even entertain this game would be funny if she wasn't such a draining person
I’m not sure how this would come off, whether weird or just straight up stupid of me- but i’d like to apologise, i’m one of the people who blamed you for worsening Rebecca’s career and if that somehow led to me angering or harming you I apologise. And i’m sorry for everything that happened to you, you genuinely don’t deserve it, i honestly rarely see someone as enduring as you. You were incredibly patient with these horrible people and you didn’t deserve any of it, i hope you’ll become much more happier as time goes on.
Thank you. Truly.
Having years of abuse follow you throughout not only your developmental years, but seeping into your online life, is awful.
I just discovered the videos about you today after being a fan for just a few short weeks, and when reading the really bold, accusatory titles I was really worried. This was only to actually listen to them in their entirety and leave confused with literally nothing proven.
It’s sad that you have to address this and further publicize years of trauma, but I’m glad everything’s been debunked. Nobody deserves something like this. Nobody deserves what you’ve been through.
I don't think I've ever watched a single video of yours but I'm spiritually rooting for you now, because videos *about* you made by your obsessive anti-fanbase won't stop clogging my recommendeds tab.
Also wow, I'm so sorry to hear that you have a sister like that and for what she did to you.
It genuinely infuriates me that there are people on this planet who would choose to berate, torture, and other utterly despicable things against a woman who has endured so much simply for money and fame or even worse because they disagreed on a video that you chose to watch and had no actual effect on your life. I simply cannot imagine being so brainumbingly sad that you would rather sit in hatred and pity instead of just enjoying whatever terrible thing you like. I pray to whatever might be listening that these freaks get over this stuff and seek the help they clearly need. Best of wishes to you and your wife.
It is so genuinely upsetting how people just keep going after you. Everything I used to enjoy seems to get either ruined, destroyed, deleted, or "canceled."
All you do is make good analysis, and your videos helped me pass my film class in terms of criticism.
It gets so annoying that people just keep harassing you.
Great video. I've always thought it strange how people seemed to dogpile onto you with weak info and specifically how they ALWAYS brought up your Steven Universe video. By the way, does anyone know if Lily has addressed the whole Stolkholm thing?
I did on stream the other day, but not officially.
@@LilianOrchard Thank you for responding! I'm looking forward to whatever you put out next :)
@@kenku6440 I haven't read Stockholm, but having heard a lot about it, I remember thinking, "Huh, that sounds a lot like something a CSA survivor would write.". Largely due to being a CSA survivor myself and writing exactly those kinds of stories as a teen/early adult. Writing is how a lot of people work through things, so I never got the assumption that someone who writes about SA must want to commit it.
@lizzy1876 yeah exactly, it's like hearing about a restaurant giving someone food poisoning like two years ago, and complaining about it like it just happened.
TW: Abuse
First, I'm sorry youve been thru all this with these disgusting folks -- as a fellow abuse survivor (though in a diff, not SA direction) -- I noticed a lot of your behaviors and reactions are those of an abuse survivor?? And ppl are fuckin weird?? (Preaching to the converted) You didn't deserve that shit. Also the "Indigenous faker" thing is so funny to me (I'm Lumbee Native on my birthmoms side), cuz ppl clearly dont know how assimilation works and how uncovering and reconnecting to your own history can take time. Bunch a weirdos
Second, some person on Tumblr anon sent me TWO ASKS, REALLY ANGRY about agreeing w you on a point you made on your Dungeon Meshi video and I was baffled cuz a) I've commented on a bunch of u and Mikaila's vids in the past w no reaction but from yall and b) they called u an "ableist, racist grifter" and my brain clocked out tbh -- having had issues w online WOC mutuals, it read too familiar so i stopped listening after reading it couple times. I regret deleting and blocking that msg w no screenshots, but you can take me at my word that it happened.
Third, all this so say, I've found your authentic reactions and honesty in how you present your work to be very refreshing and i appreciate you've always been kind and respectful in your interactions with me. Im sorry u have to dredge this shit up just to get your point across, and I hope your giving yourself the grace needed to recover.
I'm aware you do not like talking about Stockholm, but is there a specific reason you didn't bring up that accusation in this video or was it just because you didn't want to give it a platform.
Putting fanfiction shit next to grooming and abuse accusations is just inappropriate
I'm a bit angry with myself for falling for essence's videos. I wasn't as aware of the manipulation tactics back then, unfortunately.
Recently I had gotten really upset over how dead channels used your name and media opinions to get attention instead of focusing on the accusations. Now that I've been reminded of the evidence my memory exaggerated, I see why. There's nothing to prove this stuff. And the things I still think might be true just don't bother me.
I hope you're doing okay. You've been through way too much.
I cant honestly begin to put myself in a headspace where not liking a popular cartoon of all things is justification enough to push so much baseless vitriol towards one person for so long.
OH my lord I just noticed that you included a comment that was replying to me in the kp video, the “the police hung up on me” defense. I know this isn’t relevant but I’m SO happy to have stood up for you in a way that mattered! Love you girly!!!!
not me thinking that they were talking about an actual sock puppet the entire time 😭
Never thought that something on internet can really upset me. This shit is brutal...
Holy god their is an entire ecosystem of UA-cam channels that exist solely to make hit piece regurgitation content about you. Some channels only popular content is just them reacting over other hit pieces. It is a perpetual hate machine for views. This is the most absurd thing I've learned about in a while.
@@fletchergero896 it's bloody wild my dude. And if you ever question them or the reddit boards they treat you like Satan because they know it's all true because of the ecosystem of youtubers. Pepole should fucking study this shit in a psychology class.
I know it's just a drop in an ocean, but all i can do is wish you happiness. May the family you've made for yourself give you all the love that you deserve. And then some
I can't stress enough how much I hope you find all the peace in the world after this. No person should have to endure this amount sheer evil and then have to sit here and explain yourself. You don't deserve this treatment and I am so so sorry you've had to deal with this for so long, my god.
Thanks Aster, I appreciate that.
I read through KP's comment section and honestly... it's pretty gross. The one that stood out to me was a comment talking about the panic in your voice when she offered to call Courtney and her response was "It was Ick" and people started backing her up, saying it was because you hadn't prepared enough lies and I was just like wtf?
So taking this from their perspective, anyone who sounds panicked at the idea of you contacting their alleged abuser is...ick and telling lies? If you ask me *that* right there is an ick 🤢
When you want to view someone as evil, you can twist anything they say regardless of how ridiculous it is. And frankly any grown adult who says "ick" is not to be taken seriously
It's absolutely covered in armchair psychologists hyper analyzing every statement and action as guilty, I really am curious what the "correct" and "innocent" way to respond to being falsely accused looks like to these people..like did ..did they expect Lily to happily go debatebro on her abuser??
I seriously don't think that would have appeased them AT ALL if anything they would have seen that as even more guilt in their eyes
Just literally anything lili could do would be seen as a admittance of guilt to them, it's really frustrating
I cant deny that pain on this level is truly heart shattering, i had to pause the video several time just to stop crying over what i was hearing.
The word we live in is so cruel for no reason and the fact that its almost encourage to some degree to be quiet and accept the abuse of those who are suppose to love you is disgusting. I went through similar issues with my family, from being the only boy in a house full of women and get the skin peeled off my face for it to being forced to sleep one there dirty laundry and yet thats still nothing compared to the absolute shit that this video talks about.
I have been a follower for years and to see that you have actually found some level of peace and your will to refuse to submit is inspiring. I'm sorry that you're probably just going to receive more mental toucher from these people and more to come.
The only thing I can say is KEEP MOVING FORWARD. and keep informing others on serious issues that should be addressed.
Hey! I know not many people are here to speak, but I want to say as someone who’s been quietly following your content for a while, I wish you all the time and care you need to heal. I’ve seen the thumbnails from the clout vortex but never clicked on them because it always seemed wrong- I’m sure you don’t need me to tell you that- but I do want to say that I, and many others probably, wish you well! As a kid who’s gone through stuff myself, the way you set boundaries is inspiring. Please take care
I am at a loss for words for how badly you were treated. It’s truly despicable. Im glad you have found and surrounded yourself with true love and support from your friends and wife as no person deserves what you have been through nor what you continue to go through whenever this bullshit is brought up
I'll say this as someone whose only about 11 minutes into this video...Sketchy sounds like a good person.
he is always was on the ight side back in the brony days and still is now.
Wow , you suffered horribly because of your family , this video explains everything about your attitude , the more time i spend watching your videos , the more i respect you .
I learned so much from you but the most valuable thing was to not let people who bother you and abuse you around but rather search other people to befriend who don't do that .
As a gay man living in Africa , a place where they literally think that people like me don't even exist and as someone who was abused by his oncle , i learned so much from you about LGBT rights and what is like to be in a healthy relationship and i really thank you for that .
Lily, I've been watching your vids since I was like 14-15. (I'm nearly 23 now). And your channel was always a safe space for me and the abuse I was suffering from growing up in a cult and not being believed about my SA. I'm so happy that you've been able happiness and stability with your wife and thank you for giving me the courage to know my abuse wasn't my fault. 💙
The algorithm showed me a video of someone explaining why you're actually wrong about delicious in dungeon peppered with veiled personal attacks. This was the first time the algorithm ever sent me a video like that about you and I had always wondered "How much clout is there really to chase even going after Lilly?" Fourish month old channel. Average views per video excluding the two videos about you - 269. Average view per video including the two about you - 7673. All I could think was holy shit. Even as someone who's been here for a while that was still real eye opening.
So umm… I feel like I’ve seen a vid or two of yours (your content seems up my alley but I suffer from tiktok brain rot so idk) but I’ve just been hearing your name a lot in the commentary YT space (saw suggested videos but didn’t click any). I’ll hear you out before hearing what others say. Regardless, I hope you’re able to heal since being a name on the internet that everyone throws around is not fun.
the 'parasocial grooming' part is baffling as a csa survivor. it's like saying someone lighting a matchstick in another room is the same thing as arson-you need to have no respect for survivors or be especially dimwitted to take that seriously