I have a medium sized garden, not very manicured, and every year I find dozens of seedlings of trees (most of which I have to remove else I would be living in a forest by now). Birds and other wildlife disperse the seeds and new plants grow wherever the conditions are right. Unless people collect trees on an industrial scale (or destroy the environment), there’s no danger of running out of bonsai material. Nature replenishes itself. Been doing so for billions of years.
This is absolutely not true. If the density of saplings per square meter is high, the forest grows poorly and at that point it is Mother Nature herself who fielded a selection that necessarily will cause some plants to die to leave the right number. In this way we are helping mother nature in her eternal optimization work.
I agree with Marc, this is simply NOT true. Planting a tree to replace one would be a good idea for something like deforestation where hundreds and thousands of trees are removed but to think that 1 tree will impact the earth is arrogant. Nature DOES replenish itself by dropping seeds and then this thing called rain happens to germinate the seed. Why am I explaining this? Did you not take science in school or are you the sensitive type that believes everything CNN tells you about science? 🤷🏿♂️🤦♂️
Legit go tell this to the big mining companies or residential developers or think about the fact that every city or suburb was previously a forest of some sort, those levels of deforestation are well Beyond removing 1 little tree, why is it that one little person can’t remove a tree without someone sooking about it but big companies can get away with literally altering the landscape..
im collecting yamadori at night in the forrest. I hope nobody evers finds me doing that or else they think I dig a grave or something haha. Your video is great inspiration thank you
i wish all yamadoris are that easy to dig out! just collected one yesterday and it literally took me 3 hours just digging and inspecting the root system. the things this hobby makes us do🤦♂️
Nothing at all (beside watering and fertilizing). With cutting the candles the tree is weakened, so I leave it freely to grow to gain as much power as possible.
Hy, i'm trying to figure out how to collect some pinus sylvestris which grow in a gravel pit. So everywere everyone says or writes that when collecting pines one have to dig out most of the roots or the tree wont survive. Does that only aply to pinus sylvestris?
Pinus sylvestris is one of the most difficult species to collect. Especially if it grows in a gravel. I always try to dig out at least some part of intact root system and I try to keep it intact - with all gravel and original dirt. If the root ball falls apart, then the surviving rate decreses significally. And after care is also very important...
Hi! I just collected a mugo pine and was wondering how long you wait before fertilizing. Would the wait depend on if you are using organic or chemical fertilizing. Thanks, your channel is the best, I will recommend to my bonsai club!
Yes, it depend on fertilizer - if you are using an organic one, then you can fertilize right away, if chemical, then you should wait a few weeks. Thanks for watching!
How do you prevent a tree from dying after it’s collected it’s seems when I do it, it dies. Could it be because it was dug up without enough roots or something similar to that
Super video. Jaz iz narave izkopavam izključno listavce za bonsaje, saj tam kjer živim, iglavcev ni prav veliko na izbiro, z izjemo smrek in rdečih borov, ki pa rastejo v gozdovih in ne dosegajo omembe vrednih karakteristik. Vseeno sem gojil prepričanje, da se iglavce, posebno bore in smreke, presaja oz. izkopava iz narave bolj pozno, tam nekje aprila, ko se brsti že napnejo, više v gorah celo maja ... Ali gre v tem primeru za izjemo ali pravilo ali pa so črni bori "nagnjeni" k bolj zgodnjemu izkopavanju/presajanju?
Good to know. I just collected some privets from the wild and wondered what to do since their roots were just drastically pruned and introduced to a new well draining soil
You said about the first one you can't collect it, i was wondering why not? How should i know if i'm distroying a tree if i take it out - and it would be better just to leave it there
When it is obvious, that you can't collect enough of root system, than is better to leave the tree in nature: when it grows in to a rock, or when the roots are really long ...
The video was uploaded in February, but when did you dig it out exactly? Im just asking cause I'm form the neighbouring country, so our climate is kinda same, and for me seems February is a bit too early?! Or is it ok, when the big frosts are gone? Hvala!
It was collected in February. Although small, Slovenia has at least three climate zones. The pine was collected in a mild Mediterranean environment and then protected from frost until spring. After care is very important. And the tree is doing just fine! If you don't have a place for protect freshly collected trees then wait untill big frosts are gone.
Yes. The tree is protected from wind and direct Sun for three or four weeks, carefuly watered and I take care that it is no moving around, so that the new roots can grow.
What time of year do you recommend collecting pine and spruce yamadori. I hear different things, some say early spring, some say mid/late summer after the annual growth is done. What works best in your oppinion?
I collect spruces in late autumn, before first snow (end of October, beginning of November) For pines I recommend late spring, after the shoots are starting to elongate. (early April) this are my experiences in our climate ...
Thanks! Well, this is very sensitive subject ... It seems that everybody is ok with styling and watching great bonsai at exhibitions, but many are disturbed by watching how the tree is actually collecting. Majority of great bonsai is yamadori, so were taken from the nature... Probably I'll stick with styling and wiring videos 😊
It depends on species. If you are talking about sub-tropical or Mediterranean species (Olea, Juniperus phoenicea ...) then you are right. Overwintering can be quite a challenge. But there are also species that are winter-hardy (Carpinus orientalis, Pinus nigra ...) and tolerate frost. And with some experience there is no problem with them.
Awesome video mate! Mich respect that you have left the black pine. How long would it approximately take after collecting the wild tree before you put in in a bonsai pot? I have just collected my first Scotts Pine yamadori 😊
@@Torabonsaischool thanks for taking the time respond. Im sorry, but I mean how long should the tree stay in a training pot before you can do root cuttings and repot it into a smaller bonsai pot?
@@KrizzaOne I usually start working on trees two growing seasons after collecting, with conifers I would wait even longer. Repoting in to bonsai pot is the last thing, after the first styling is already done.
@@Torabonsaischool thanks! I guess I have to be patient for another twoo years then 😅 when do u reckon the pine can we wired and pruned for the first time after collecting? Have a great Sunday!
@@Torabonsaischool I’m still new to the bonsai world, what is the benefit of potting in pure pumice after collection? Can’t wait to see how this turns out 😁🤙🏾
Pumice is, by my opinion, the best substrate one can find: its pH neutral, it is frost-resistant ... perfect. For bonsai in development I also use mix of akadama and kiryu.
@@Torabonsaischool If I may ask - what size of pumice do you recommend? 3-6mm or 6-14mm? I guess that smaller from 3mm is just to small for good drainage. And in case of yamadori pine like that when do you remove what is left from the original soil? After one year, two maybe? Great video(s) btw, keep up the good work :)
I use size 3-6 mm, sieved of course. 6-14 is too big, maybe is usable Just for the first layer in very big pots. The original soil is removed step by step - with every repoting some is removed. So, first part Will be removed when this tree will be repoted - let say in four years time.
My forbidden fruit ... is good to see that you identify which one is collectable. let's plant our native trees and preserve microecosystems, let's create bonsai from a nursery.
As I wrote before: It is interesting how everybody is ok with styling and watching great bonsai at exhibitions, praising great masters with beautiful trees, but many are disturbed by watching how the tree is actually collecting. Majority trees at Trophy, Crespi cup etc. are yamadori, taken from nature. Reality is, that trees from nursery can not be compared with yamadori trees, one can never (or after decades of work) achieve the same results. It really depends where do you live, what your environment is. Where do you collect the trees. (In our country the trees are taken over the land. 58% of all land is covered with forest - compering to 1930's when 38 % of land was covered with trees.) And bonsaist are nature fans - we do not want to harm the nature. But as I also wrote before - I'll stick with styling and wiring videos, and there will be no probems 😊
@@Torabonsaischool Please don't limit yourself too much just with "aftercare". Details in collecting yamadori are also very important and more you know fewer are the options that you kill the tree. I would be very happy to se more videos about collecting and I am sure that I am not the only one.
@@Torabonsaischool yes please more like this, opinions make people feel better about themselves. You're a professional, keep doing what you know is best !
@@jakemaddox76 yes, of course, fertilizing is important when tree is growing in the pot. In nature tha falling leaves/needles and passing-by animals do the job ...
Thanks! I come into bonsai gradually, first I saw the Karate Kid and then year after year I spent more time with bonsai untill it became my way of life ... And I don't have a favorite artist, I just follow my path.
@@mattredford6642 Thanks! But I don't want to steal my dear friend Tomaz his well-deserved thunder! He is one of my favourite artist and best friend! 🙏👌👍
Beautiful scenery and a great tree.
Thanks!
Recommendation: when you collect one, plant a new one for future collect seasons. Nature is not unlimited.
Agree!
I have a medium sized garden, not very manicured, and every year I find dozens of seedlings of trees (most of which I have to remove else I would be living in a forest by now). Birds and other wildlife disperse the seeds and new plants grow wherever the conditions are right.
Unless people collect trees on an industrial scale (or destroy the environment), there’s no danger of running out of bonsai material. Nature replenishes itself. Been doing so for billions of years.
This is absolutely not true. If the density of saplings per square meter is high, the forest grows poorly and at that point it is Mother Nature herself who fielded a selection that necessarily will cause some plants to die to leave the right number. In this way we are helping mother nature in her eternal optimization work.
I agree with Marc, this is simply NOT true. Planting a tree to replace one would be a good idea for something like deforestation where hundreds and thousands of trees are removed but to think that 1 tree will impact the earth is arrogant.
Nature DOES replenish itself by dropping seeds and then this thing called rain happens to germinate the seed. Why am I explaining this? Did you not take science in school or are you the sensitive type that believes everything CNN tells you about science? 🤷🏿♂️🤦♂️
Legit go tell this to the big mining companies or residential developers or think about the fact that every city or suburb was previously a forest of some sort, those levels of deforestation are well Beyond removing 1 little tree, why is it that one little person can’t remove a tree without someone sooking about it but big companies can get away with literally altering the landscape..
Wooaaah... I wish i had place to go like that... I'll all the bonsai materials...
im collecting yamadori at night in the forrest. I hope nobody evers finds me doing that or else they think I dig a grave or something haha. Your video is great inspiration thank you
:-) :-)
it's wise decition to collect just the tree that we can take care of...
great respact 🙏
Thanks!
Beautiful Nature
i wish all yamadoris are that easy to dig out! just collected one yesterday and it literally took me 3 hours just digging and inspecting the root system. the things this hobby makes us do🤦♂️
What incredible specimens you have to collect. Why was that black pine uncollectable and what part of the world are these trees in? Thanks.
It was uncollectable because of rooting system - roots were too long, spreading far away from the tree over the rocks. I am from Slovenia.
That was easy to dig out, it's just the 12 mile walk to find it hahahahaha
Something like that, yes! 😊
Question: During the rest period, do you still cut the candles back or do you do nothing at all?
Nothing at all (beside watering and fertilizing). With cutting the candles the tree is weakened, so I leave it freely to grow to gain as much power as possible.
Waoow waoww kerenn 👍👍
I have a question, when you're potting a yamadori do you wash away all the native soil or leave some intact?
Depends on species. With pines I try to leave intact as much soil as possible.
Hy, i'm trying to figure out how to collect some pinus sylvestris which grow in a gravel pit. So everywere everyone says or writes that when collecting pines one have to dig out most of the roots or the tree wont survive. Does that only aply to pinus sylvestris?
Pinus sylvestris is one of the most difficult species to collect. Especially if it grows in a gravel. I always try to dig out at least some part of intact root system and I try to keep it intact - with all gravel and original dirt. If the root ball falls apart, then the surviving rate decreses significally. And after care is also very important...
What a beauty.
Hi! I just collected a mugo pine and was wondering how long you wait before fertilizing. Would the wait depend on if you are using organic or chemical fertilizing. Thanks, your channel is the best, I will recommend to my bonsai club!
Yes, it depend on fertilizer - if you are using an organic one, then you can fertilize right away, if chemical, then you should wait a few weeks. Thanks for watching!
@@Torabonsaischool Thanks, I this was really useful!
How do you prevent a tree from dying after it’s collected it’s seems when I do it, it dies. Could it be because it was dug up without enough roots or something similar to that
maybe you nerd to try it in spring?
Super video. Jaz iz narave izkopavam izključno listavce za bonsaje, saj tam kjer živim, iglavcev ni prav veliko na izbiro, z izjemo smrek in rdečih borov, ki pa rastejo v gozdovih in ne dosegajo omembe vrednih karakteristik. Vseeno sem gojil prepričanje, da se iglavce, posebno bore in smreke, presaja oz. izkopava iz narave bolj pozno, tam nekje aprila, ko se brsti že napnejo, više v gorah celo maja ... Ali gre v tem primeru za izjemo ali pravilo ali pa so črni bori "nagnjeni" k bolj zgodnjemu izkopavanju/presajanju?
V tem primeru gre bolj za izjemo, da. Kljub temu pa moje izkušnje kažejo, da je črni bor najmanj občutljiv na tempiranje presajanja.
Should all collected trees have a 3 season resting period or is that specific to conifers?
At least 3 seasons. Collecting from nature is extremely stressful for trees and they need to recover before we continue to work with them.
Good to know. I just collected some privets from the wild and wondered what to do since their roots were just drastically pruned and introduced to a new well draining soil
Tidy !
Nice work, i love a good yamadori mission.
Thanks!
You said about the first one you can't collect it, i was wondering why not? How should i know if i'm distroying a tree if i take it out - and it would be better just to leave it there
When it is obvious, that you can't collect enough of root system, than is better to leave the tree in nature: when it grows in to a rock, or when the roots are really long ...
Where in Europe is that? Reason why I ask is because I find those pines beautiful and wonder if they would do well in California.
Slovenia. Yes, black pines (Pinus nigra) would do well in worm climate in California. They do just fine here in Mediterranean climate ..
The video was uploaded in February, but when did you dig it out exactly? Im just asking cause I'm form the neighbouring country, so our climate is kinda same, and for me seems February is a bit too early?! Or is it ok, when the big frosts are gone? Hvala!
It was collected in February. Although small, Slovenia has at least three climate zones. The pine was collected in a mild Mediterranean environment and then protected from frost until spring. After care is very important. And the tree is doing just fine! If you don't have a place for protect freshly collected trees then wait untill big frosts are gone.
What si the best time of the year to collect trees like this one? (Northern emisphere)
Depends on location. But in general, when the buds start to elongate.
Beautiful landscape and nice tree
There is a cpecial care after collecting?
Yes. The tree is protected from wind and direct Sun for three or four weeks, carefuly watered and I take care that it is no moving around, so that the new roots can grow.
@@Torabonsaischool thank you so much for replay ❤
I found a Yamadori paradise myself. Collected two this morning and barely had to dig
What time of year do you recommend collecting pine and spruce yamadori. I hear different things, some say early spring, some say mid/late summer after the annual growth is done. What works best in your oppinion?
I collect spruces in late autumn, before first snow (end of October, beginning of November)
For pines I recommend late spring, after the shoots are starting to elongate. (early April) this are my experiences in our climate ...
@@Torabonsaischool thank you!
Realy good question! Hi from Srbija!
Wow what a beautiful area. I'd be very interested in seeing more videos about collecting yamadori :)
Thanks! Well, this is very sensitive subject ... It seems that everybody is ok with styling and watching great bonsai at exhibitions, but many are disturbed by watching how the tree is actually collecting. Majority of great bonsai is yamadori, so were taken from the nature...
Probably I'll stick with styling and wiring videos 😊
@@Torabonsaischool it's too bad that people feel that way. It was a very beautiful video and a very beautiful tree. I enjoyed watching it 😊
@@Torabonsaischool yeah, probably the ones that dont want to eat animals but love meat.
Nicely said. Hypocrites must be ignored.
Nice pine!
Thanks 👍
Keren bos Joss sukses 🌟🌟
Thank You 🙏✌️
Nice video. A word or two more about how to find the appropriate material would be nice! :)
I guess finding a tree in Istria or Kvarner and bring it to Ljubljana is not going to work because of the different climate?
It depends on species. If you are talking about sub-tropical or Mediterranean species (Olea, Juniperus phoenicea ...) then you are right. Overwintering can be quite a challenge. But there are also species that are winter-hardy (Carpinus orientalis, Pinus nigra ...) and tolerate frost. And with some experience there is no problem with them.
How do you determine what’s a collectible tree?
Depending on the growing site: if the tree is growing in to the rock, or if it is spreading roots far out in the sand etc. then it is not collectible.
@@Torabonsaischool
Thank you
Super.👍👍👍
Thanks!
Which is the percentage of succes? Thx
It depends on species. With pines around 60 %, I am talking for old specimen and if you know what are you doing. With young trees 100%
Would you say it's a good time to collect trees in Europe? Which country do you live?
During dormancy period is always a good time. I live in Slovenija
@@Torabonsaischool Thanks for the reply, Greetings from The Netherlands
Are you using drone to shoot video
yes.
I like 👍
Awesome video mate! Mich respect that you have left the black pine. How long would it approximately take after collecting the wild tree before you put in in a bonsai pot? I have just collected my first Scotts Pine yamadori 😊
Thanx for watching! It usually takes 3-5 yrs from collecting to 'finished' bonsai.
@@Torabonsaischool thanks for taking the time respond. Im sorry, but I mean how long should the tree stay in a training pot before you can do root cuttings and repot it into a smaller bonsai pot?
@@KrizzaOne I usually start working on trees two growing seasons after collecting, with conifers I would wait even longer. Repoting in to bonsai pot is the last thing, after the first styling is already done.
@@Torabonsaischool thanks! I guess I have to be patient for another twoo years then 😅 when do u reckon the pine can we wired and pruned for the first time after collecting? Have a great Sunday!
@@KrizzaOne it depends on condition of the tree. But two growing seasons is minimum.
Why it can't survive as a Bonsai and it's not collectable ?
Roots are to far away from the trunk.
which season collect yamadori?
For pines (Nigra and Sylvestris) in our climate definitely late spring, for mountain pines (Mugo) I prefer autumn.
Great video as always, any information on where can I purchase a backpack like yours? Seems perfect for the job.
Thanks :)
You can find it in army shops, outdoor shops, this particular one came from camping specialist ...
Merci magnifique ! ;)
His neighbors must think he’s insane with that backpack...
Здорово!
what country is it?
Slovenija
what kind of substrate did you use?
Pure pumice.
@@Torabonsaischool I’m still new to the bonsai world, what is the benefit of potting in pure pumice after collection? Can’t wait to see how this turns out 😁🤙🏾
Pumice is, by my opinion, the best substrate one can find: its pH neutral, it is frost-resistant ... perfect. For bonsai in development I also use mix of akadama and kiryu.
@@Torabonsaischool If I may ask - what size of pumice do you recommend? 3-6mm or 6-14mm? I guess that smaller from 3mm is just to small for good drainage. And in case of yamadori pine like that when do you remove what is left from the original soil? After one year, two maybe? Great video(s) btw, keep up the good work :)
I use size 3-6 mm, sieved of course. 6-14 is too big, maybe is usable Just for the first layer in very big pots.
The original soil is removed step by step - with every repoting some is removed. So, first part Will be removed when this tree will be repoted - let say in four years time.
For every tree I collect from a forest, I'd plant 3 back
what are the laws in your contry for collecting yamadori? if someone sees you do they go like: "you can't do that!" ...
Very nice video as usual. Do you collect for clients?
Thanks! I collect just for myself ... But you never know 😉
Why wasn’t that first one collectible..?
Because it is growing in the sand and its roots are spreading far away from the trunk.
what's tree name?
European black pine, Pinus nigra
@@Torabonsaischool tks u
где растут такие красивые деревья?))
Drevesa rastejo v gozdu 😊
👍
My forbidden fruit ... is good to see that you identify which one is collectable. let's plant our native trees and preserve microecosystems, let's create bonsai from a nursery.
As I wrote before: It is interesting how everybody is ok with styling and watching great bonsai at exhibitions, praising great masters with beautiful trees, but many are disturbed by watching how the tree is actually collecting. Majority trees at Trophy, Crespi cup etc. are yamadori, taken from nature. Reality is, that trees from nursery can not be compared with yamadori trees, one can never (or after decades of work) achieve the same results.
It really depends where do you live, what your environment is. Where do you collect the trees. (In our country the trees are taken over the land. 58% of all land is covered with forest - compering to 1930's when 38 % of land was covered with trees.) And bonsaist are nature fans - we do not want to harm the nature. But as I also wrote before - I'll stick with styling and wiring videos, and there will be no probems 😊
@@Torabonsaischool Please don't limit yourself too much just with "aftercare". Details in collecting yamadori are also very important and more you know fewer are the options that you kill the tree. I would be very happy to se more videos about collecting and I am sure that I am not the only one.
@@Torabonsaischool yes please more like this, opinions make people feel better about themselves. You're a professional, keep doing what you know is best !
I always wondered how bonsai can grow in just gravel.
There is always more than enough nutrients in the soil; also the pumice is an anorganic soil, but perfect for cultivation in the pot.
@@Torabonsaischool Thanks! So the nutrients don’t get used up over time? Do you eventually have to supplement with fertilizer?
@@jakemaddox76 yes, of course, fertilizing is important when tree is growing in the pot. In nature tha falling leaves/needles and passing-by animals do the job ...
Great video question if I may how did you come into bonsai ? And who is your favourite European bonsai artist ? Regards Matt 👍🏻
Thanks! I come into bonsai gradually, first I saw the Karate Kid and then year after year I spent more time with bonsai untill it became my way of life ... And I don't have a favorite artist, I just follow my path.
Your favourite?! Be honest Tomaz... it's me! 🤣🤣😜😜
Cheers and stay safe,
Hans van Meer.
@@HansKaramottoBonsai true! 😊
@@HansKaramottoBonsai your definitely one of my favourites Hans love your big larch and your tanuki 👍🏻
@@mattredford6642 Thanks! But I don't want to steal my dear friend Tomaz his well-deserved thunder! He is one of my favourite artist and best friend! 🙏👌👍
Please update the status of the tree after 1 year. I will surely subscribe your channel
I'll do that. Thanks!
Show belo yamadore
Que dó da árvore, destruindo uma árvore centenária.
Do you need permission to collect those trees?
Yes.
@@Torabonsaischool how do you get permission?
Top movies
Thanks!
very nice but too long-winded for my taste
Thanks for your opinion!
So basically just dig it out . This video has no explanation of any kind
Indeed ...
dont touch the trees of the mountain
OK, but you still haven't told us HOW to collect Yamadori. If everything that's needed is to hammer it out with a pick then there's nothing to it.
Well, the main thing IS hammer it out with a pick, the rest is experience and after care ...
Hudo!! Ta del me je vedno zanimal
Hvala!
You just cant take trees from nature, you belong in prison