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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2023
- what the heck is up UA-cam, its ya boy back at it again with another video, in this one I go over one of my favorite characters in aot and how they ended up kind of a disappointment, Flock.
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• Attack on Titan S4 OST...
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this vid is pretty cool, if you're a fan of the channel you may have heard a few of these points already
spoilers, next vid is jjk - Фільми й анімація
we aren't gonna talk about how the gun worked properly after him being in the water
your mind is gonna be blown when common sense hits you like a bullet: guns can not only work when wet, but even when submurged they can still operate.
ummmmmm ak47 pistol go brr
You think firearms stop working after being in water??? Like damn those aren't blackpowder breachloaders.
@@Cipkanikolaj but they're like World War variants though
@@Cipkanikolaj the pistol he had looks like a Mauser of some sort he was also in the water for hours being literally keelhauled
Havent watched the video yet, but Floch is actually an antagonist I really like, you can understand why he's an antagonist and is quite unique. He is a survivor of Erwin's words.
Facts
He's an antagonist?
@@battlerifle8642 Did you watch the show? Yes dumbass.
@battlerifle8642 Absolutely! He's backing up Eren, and at this point, Eren is the PRIMARY antagonist
@@leimmortalraven3246 Eren is an antagonist?
First of all, it doesn't look like he was shot in the chest but rather in the shoulder. Gabi aimed for his arm because that was the arm he was using to aim at the boat. So not a fatal shot at all.
So my thinking is that Floch held onto the boat with his ODM and passed out from the loss of blood on the trip to the mainland. That's why he takes so long to get out of the water. Also the way he shoots isn't really aiming at anything in particular but more just in the general direction of the scouts. It looks more accidental that he shot the fuel tank with collateral damage then intentionally aiming for the plane. What was his goal then you might ask? The fact that he looked disorientated and half dead means he probably just wanted to use his last ounce of strength left to deal any sort of damage to the team regardless of where he was shooting. In that condition he couldn't exactly aim very well at anything.
Hange felt like because she couldn't come up with a solution outside of Eren and Zeke's plans she felt responsible for their failure to convince Eren out of the rumbling. Her sacrifice was her way of atoning for her mistakes as commander and also because Hange wanted to go out badass. (a very Hange moment) Sending the entire team would've been a risk at losing more of them. Wouldn't have been a wise move at all.
nicely explained
jenius
These felt like Isayama words. 😂
But being dragged around for 15 hours while bleeding in the water is still pretty damn unrealistic.
@@yongkhiongbay1050this kinda scene only woulda made sense if he was a titan or at least an ackerman
@@jussaflwr yeah floch is Ackerman confirmed. I mean he even survived Zeke's barrage of rocks
Flock was dragged under water for 15 hours but lived because he said “Shinzo Sussy gay O”, simple as that Erwin taught us that if you yell those words you become a badass
Eren used the paths to tell him "remember, dying is gay"
I think the argument that they should have sent mikasa or all of the alliance to fight off the titans to be pretty unfounded as the whole point of Hange going alone was to conserve resources. She explicitly states none of the shifter can do it since they would use up titan strength and let say they send in mikasa, the steam literally damages her odm gear to the point it explodes. Sure maybe she survives but if she is injured and her gear is broken they stand much lower chance of mission success. If more of the alliance was sent to help like jean or conny the exhaustion and damage to equipment would not be worth it.
Look at it like a numbers game. 1 hange needed to kill (let’s say) 20 titans to delay the rumbling. She is able to do this in (let’s say) 5 minutes. Now image 6 scouts all go in, all they have to do is kill 20 titans In less than 5 minutes, let’s say less than 3 to avoid having to sustain burns. It’s still also technically the same amount of gas and blades and no titan shifters would have to use titan powers odm gear works fine
@@collateral8920 The assumption that she needed to only delay for 5 minutes is incorrect because they make clear that they could barely weld it in 1 hour plus fueling. Let be generous and say they did it in even half the time. Now to the titans. As they are marching they are said to move faster than horses and the scout see them when they are at the mountain. I think it is very reasonable to believe that they skipped a lot of scene around because we don’t want to see hange realistically travel 10 minutes on odm gear to engage the titans and fend them off for the 20 minutes it takes to get there. She clearly isn’t fighting for just the five minutes she is on screen as the workers didn’t weld and fuel in five minutes. With all scouts travel time plus fight time, yes a significant amount of resources would be drained. 20 Colossal titans in 5 mins is also incredibly unrealistic accounting for 4 titans per minute or a titan every 20 seconds. TLDR the show probably cut out a lot of the time she spent stalling and using up her odm resources so it would not be optimal
Yes the argument can be made that she can’t survive in the titan heat for more than 5 or so minutes but unlike armins stall, she doesn’t need to constantly be fighting titans, she could take a minute away to regroup and the reason she can’t at the end is because the titans have gone too far not allowing her to regroup and again Jean mikasa and armin probably could have helped and made it more efficient but we don’t have the gas for everyone to do so. We know resources are limited because she only uses 2 thunder spears. She could have brought 20 and survived but they needed to conserve.
@@collateral8920 I think another problem is that Hange doesn't really know how long the equipment could last under the heat. It's easy to go back and retroactively calculate the numbers, but with what we knew at the time, there's no real guarantee that having multiple people on the Titans would have meant that they'd return alive.
@@hardboilednut8215If my memory of the manga serves me right, what really happened is that Hange only managed to kill 1 colossal titan and they really were approaching the hangar, meaning the anime's weird logistics in that instance were merely for flare.
Hangs died because she caught on fire from the proximity to so many wall titans. She was plenty skilled for the job, and mikasa probably would’ve suffered the same fate. Furthermore, the wall titans are still titans, even if all they had done is walk, they would still be able to act in some way to fight other titans, hence why it would’ve ended badly for the others trying to fight thousands of colossal titans, because the other issue is that mindless pure titans have no end to their stamina. They can fight forever
Yeah but there was like 4 titan shifters on the team like why’d they choose the one person that wasn’t one 😭
@@emberlynnauguste832 This was explained in the show. Armin and Reiner both offered to be the ones to do it, but Hange accurately pointed out that they needed to conserve their strength for the fight with Eren. Reiner has even said that he can transform about two times before losing energy to do a third, and he ended up needing both transformations in the final battle. Armin can only do so once, so they definitely needed to conserve that for the final battle. Pieck could've helped out, but Armin and Hange (or even us) didn't know of her jaw titan's infinite transformations at that point so they didn't think of that. And ewven if they did, what's Pieck's jaw titan going to do against an army of colossals? There was no guarantee she'd end up surviving the encounter, and they definitely needed her in the final battle as well.
@@anthonythomas what about Annie
@@emberlynnauguste832 She had already said that she wasn't going to fight anymore, so Armin and Hange obviously respected that wish. Even if she hadn't, her strength was also needed in the battle against Eren, so it's definitely a good time they didn't have her even risk the fight with the colossals.
@@anthonythomas okay
Hange was killed purely to make Armin new Scouts Commander.
Eren the Destroyer.
Mikasa the Royalty.
Armin the Commander.
Just a way for all 3 to have equal ish positions when they later talked in Paths.
exactly!
@@collateral8920my guy flock got shoot in the shoulder , im not justifying it but its something you just missed and i think the flock swam yeah that right and i know it impossible but its the only way then he was so tired that he could eren shot them so he missed and shoot the plane
Didn't want hange seeing all the past titans anyway ;(((
Hange died because she got a huge girl boner for this many this big titans all at once
@@rokmutul8445There's no way in hell you could keep up with a ship in water, let alone when you're literally injured
Floch knowing where the tank fuel is could be explained by him seeing the engineers at work. Again it’s just the him being soaked thing that kinda contradicts this narrative.
i would think that two but the ship was wrapped and rigged with explosives, the engineers also had to take a ton of time building the plain so i don't think Flock had time to see them fuel the plain, Maybe un-fuel it though.... good catch
Floch was aiming for everyone infront of him he just happened to hit the fuel tank
@@collateral8920My theory is that Floch has almost certainly seen a car or train or some other vehicle that uses fuel. Even if he didn’t know where to fire to hit the fuel tank, he could have just decided to shoot at the plane and hoped he’d get lucky.
@@KILLERMANGO-mi1cxyeah I feel like narratively it was just lucky shot, like how Flock is lucky to survive against the beast titan at the first place
Do you think Hange was double pissed in heaven when she saw that the plane wasn't even necessary because they got a bird that was both faster than the plane, and capable of carrying everyone in the very next episode?
omg, was it the very next ep?
@@JeffreySchwinghammer knowing her she prob wanted to ride it more than being pissed she died for them to do nothign with the plan but get they ass wooped
Floch has kind of been lucky since his first near death experience in shinganshina. Also, he was shot in the arm. And to be fair, this is the same world where Armin survived falling 60 to 50 meters burnt to a crisp
Even worse, they didn't just set sail for Marley but for Odiha to get ahead of the rumbling. Based on the map they showed, it would be like where Somalia/Socotra is in real life, so that 300 mile journey would've actually been like 1700 miles if my Google-fu is accurate.
Damn really! That makes it absolutely ridiculous!
To be fair though, there has been recent story of people sneaking onto the outsides of a cargo ship on the west coast of Africa and ending up in Brazil which is a similar distance to this journey. The news story I seen there were a few sitting on some sort of ledge just above the waterline near the rudder. So it is somewhat plausible at the very least, granted they didn't have gunshot wounds though but some people seem to just be blessed with plot armour.
The AOT Geography is ridiculous lol
Flock's bleeding under water for several hours: "I'm gonna die..."
Eren: "remember, *dying is gay"*
3:13 The bullet was in his shoulder, not chest.
5:51 He did hit someone; that engineer guy seen at 5:40 was hit in his shoulder. Floch was just firing randomly, and the fact that 3 entire shots hit the fuel tank was just luck.
6:27 ?? Why? Putting everyone's life at risk would be completely unnecessary when just one person was enough to delay the wall titans until takeoff. They needed as much strength as possible on the plane to take on Eren, so any of their Titan powers would be foolish to risk losing.
And Mikasa's Ackerman OPness is just as valuable. Your word "probably" is doing a lot of work at 6:40. She would have to do all that, *and* make it onto the plane while it is taking flight. It's not a risk worth taking.
I agree with the main point, Floch staying in the water overnight doesn't make much sense... but there are problems with the rest of what you said in this vid.
*Edit:* I have realised that Floch being covered in water makes complete sense.
He didn't stay in the water, but clung to the side of the boat where noone would notice him. He stayed there overnight to minimize the time on land, where he might run into someone.
In the morning we see water drops on the floor, so he had recently come ashore.
The alliance are putting on ODM gear on the dock next to the boat, so he had to let go of the boat and swim further away before getting back on land.
He didn't want to take action until the rumbling was almost there (otherwise they would have plenty of time to repair the plane). I take back my previous point about him firing randomly, I think he was aiming for the plane but was so fatigued that the recoil made his shots wild.
it doesn't really matter where he was shot, he was still bleeding out and fatigue for 15 hours AT LEAST the show implies even longer
I caught that he hit someone right before I uploaded and thought "screw it no one will notice" so thanks for that lol
1 guaranteed death versus one potential death, hange chose guaranteed death because she valued her life under those around her, but i argue that there chances of nobody dying was actually pretty high, hange didn't think so and she came up with plan that would work. all of this should have never happed though because flock shouldn't have been able to slow them down
i was using mikasa as an example to highlight why i thought all of them should go, if mikasa could do that imagine connie, Jean, armin, reiner all on odm gear helping her thats why i think there chances were pretty high that they could all survive. these are the same people dodging zeke's barrages later in the episode
problems answer?
@@collateral8920 Answer to your first one: Floch is just built different
@@collateral8920all of them have 2 thunder spear only, Reiner doesn't even have that
Assuming they all go to help taking down 8 more colossals. Then what? Use their cutting knife to slice down the rest of them?
Hange literally burnt to death by the heat of the colossals. It would be stupid for the rest of the team--especially the 2 titan shifters, 1 of which is a walking nuke--to help killing the colossals.
All they need is to buy enough time to fix the plane. It doesn't require risking all of their lives to slow the colossals down. Even if the colossals won't burn people to death, the team lack the tools for long-distance communicate. Have they all go slowing down the rumbling, no one could be on the plane as they would never know it's fixed.
Flock though. Yeah he has the plot armor I guess.
@@collateral8920 as far as i remember hange died from the heat of the colossal titans and i dont think the others were like superhuman or had more endurance than hange so they would get burnt at the bare minimum. They also didn't have the equipment to spare on some wall titans as they were about to go and fight eren which would definitely require the already limited resources they had on them. The heat from the wall titans would also likely damage their odm gear and getting injured before the main battle isn't a good idea. So all of them going to fight the wall titans wouldn't be a good idea. It's also pretty risky for everyone to go and fight the wall titans regardless of how many people there are
@@collateral8920 i like to believe that hange was trying to save gas for the odm gear so everyone can fight eren instead of some random wall titans
Most interesting thing I learned here is that Paradis is Madagascar 😂
I love that Floch goes from “oh look at the little piss baby” to literally Hitler
Literally me.
AOT fandom logic: protecting your country from invasion makes you Hitler.
Floch is the uncertified goat of doing what he set out to do no matter what, even if he gets stream sniped by gabby along the way.
You really think Faze_Gabs was watching flochs stream?
absolutely, her movement exactly cut him off. Every single kill she's gotten has to be either walls or stream sniping.@@doodmcswood507
floch survived the same way Levi survived that point blank Titan killer magnitude explosion to the face. Plot armor.
Actually, Levi’s survival was pretty typical for the Ackermans. Not even that noteworthy of a feat at that point of the story, really.
Like how Mikasa was chopping wood and doing sit-ups not long after her ribs were fractured, and how Kenny was alive after being slashed through the abdomen, scalded in a fiery cave-in, and left bleeding out for hours.
So basically, what I’m trying to say is, *_FLOCH IS SECRETLY AN ACKERMA-_*
The fact this show refused to kill Gabi by the end is the biggest insult.
No, Gabi’s arc is better if she lives to learn from her mistakes.
If Floch is anything he’s SMART and CRAFTY. I could that if he’s shot in a part of the shoulder (it looks like he what shot in the shoulder or upper arm) that didn’t puncture any artery, he could have used some of his ODM gear wire to tourniquet his arm to stop or slow the flow of blood, while still hanging onto the ship. (Maybe the anchor, hanging onto the chain?)
I could believe the ODM gear is water proof because the scouting legion has previously had to engage in Titan battles in rainy conditions. Refer to Levi’s no regrets OVA.
Levi completely ripped apart like a dozen titans in heavy rainy conditions. This means that the old model of the ODM gear is fully water proof.
The newer model could probably easily tolerate sea water, at least for as long as Floch needed it to for him to pull this stunt.
Rainwater is very different from sea water though. Sea water will turn any delicate mechanism into junk
I can understand your perspective on Floch, but I don't think there was any problem with Hange's death.
tbf it was fleshed in the anime. She took down like 10 titans and we clearly saw it prevent the others from reaching the plane. In the manga she took down two, it didnt stop the other titans and there was no indication that her actions changed anything. hence she killed herself for no reason.
@@pyrite2060 more reason to why AoT anime is goated
I have no problems with the anime, beyond the cgi but they couldnt do anything about that anyway. I absolutely despise the manga ending though. Utterly dogshit. the alliance is full of shit as well.@@NTonyKaskan
Idk I have no problem with this alliance lol, I can fully understand it. I have not actually read the manga ending. Im an anime only but ill check it out only after the anime ends. Also have you heard the recent news?@@pyrite2060
@@pyrite2060 I understand alliance an no there not shit
The argument of sending the whole squad after the wall titans is straight up goofy, hange literally caught on fire by being near the wall titans for too long
They rack up enough casualties and near death experiences when around normal titans, they have no reason to assume anyone will survive attacking the wall titans, sending everyone would be a profoundly stupid move that would at best buy them a few minutes and leave everyone exhausted, covered in burns and short on gas and at worst would end with the entire squad dead
And floch probably just clung to the ship with his odm gear like we’ve seen people do on the walls the entire series
And when they arrived he probably just disengaged it and fell into the water cause he was exhausted
bros was so dedicated you gotta respect it
I like to think that floch really cared for them and shot with 50 percent accuracy not just for being shot
But to move his comrades out of the way to shoot the fuel tank
Maybe he does care for them and didn't want to hurt them
Thats just my take
Then they would have died to the rumbling ☠️
@@howtoforidiots408
True, Floch just didn't have 100% accuracy, sad but true
@@howtoforidiots408Once again it’s utilitarianism the sacrifice the characters gotta make
In the manga its much more clear that he aimed exclusively at the plane with hopes of hitting the fuel tank, not trying to kill anyone
You do realise he smiled at the fact that he turned alot of his other comrades into titans?
You have to take into consideration that the trip was even longer because Odaha is further south than Mozambique channel in real life. Also, they had the boat for over a year and likely new where the fuel tank is. Besides that, I agree with the video and even if the O.D.M. gear is waterproof, his gun could not be in the water for that long of a time and still work..
Armin was a better pick over Erwin for the colossal titan. Erwin's sole purpose of fighting was to prove that there are people living beyond the walls. After proving that, he would have little motivation to continue fighting. Erwin very clearly wouldn't be a Yaegerist considering he has very little national pride and wouldn't want to kill the thing he was chasing his whole life.
Ultimately Erwin would be a less effective version of Armin when fighting Eren as he wouldn't be able to emotionally connect with the shifters in the paths and would be a weaker fighter against Eren's colossal form.
I kind of thought he latched onto the boat, reeled in and hung there.
I just like the visual of him getting dragged behind like a rag doll. also i didnt point it out in the video but from the looks of the boat, there isn't much to grab onto unless he would board the ship, in witch case i think he should have be caught getting on
ngl, floch is super enjoyable to me partly because his sub voice actor is giorno giovanna. there’s something beautiful in giorno of all people losing his collective shit about traitors
Holy shit I didnt realize these were the same dude. Makes more sense now. I thought him and Yelena came out of left field.
Lol 😂
He was right.
Eren doomed his island and the world all for his friends. Maybe mikasa’s blood line lived for 500 years at most. It was still wiped out. Because the outside world eventually came back and gained its vengeance.
If eren wiped out EVERYONE outside the walls then the cycle of vengeance that has fuelled both marley and paradis would have finally been to an end. No more titans. No one to take vengeance on. Just a fresh start to make it all right.
Eren was retconned for the sake of a mcu style ending and to make mikasa and eren shippers happy.
Eren cleary wanted to do the full rumbling.
Isayama pussied out 😂
Firstly flock hit one of the engineers in the shoulder and thats pretty much it.
Secondly I think the hesitation and stumbling out into the open is he is very fatigured with vision until he focused his eyes. Strangly 3/6 of the shots hit the fuel tank which is defintly strange with the pullback of the gun. But he could of being trying to hit the engineer diving right of flock as HE DID KNOW that they need the flying boat requiring the engineers.
Conculsions: Its a mix but prob to kill of hange sadly.
BTW attacking the wall titans would have been a suicide mission and they surprisngly agreed that only one person is needed to buy time. They could only watch.
Flock was trying to shoot everyone but accidentally hit the tank. One of the bullet hit the floor too, was he aiming for the floor?
He was shot on the shoulder, not on the chest.
It was not confirmed how far is Paradis island to the other side. You cant just assume that the distance is exactly the same as our world.
The dumbest thing in this show is how gabi can fire a rifle accurately
Really now!? that dumbest thing for you???
Why? She was a child soldier basically. And absolutely insane too
AOT logic:
Child Soldiers are better than adult veterans
🤡
Do disagree with your point a little bit Floch actually hit one of the engineers in the should (the one who says that they can weld the fuel tank is covering his bloody shoulder) so I do think that Floch got lucky shooting the boat. However I do agree that the execution of the scene coulda been better and that if Hange needed to die it shoulda been during the Battle of Heaven and Earth because I find it hard to believe that no one on the Alliance wouldn’t died in that fight.
I guess the death counts on AoT wasn't enough for you
@@lesterantenor1026 ah yes... petra, the main protagonist since season 1 that survived 4 seasons. or how to forget... eh... chaz. the guy that was on season 1 that connie killed
C'mon, be real, dude. Out of the season 1 main character heroes, 4 became villains (2 got killed. the rest redeemed), only Sasha died. and it was the beginning of the season outside all the climax and tension. the other 6 lived happily ever after (bird eren)
Something I find kinda stupid is how Floch was apparently apart of the same cadet corp as the main cast, yet the first time we see him is in S3.
Floch was in the Garrison, and the entire point of his character at first is that he was a voice for the background characters. I may be wrong, but the first time we hear his name is after he brought Erwin to the group, and argued for his survival.
indomitable human spirit
I think it is implicit that AOT's world is our world upside down AND a tinier version too, but still we're taking about ~6h under the water. It's incredible what the lucky titan is capable of
Nope, our world but much, much bigger. The size of the outer wall alone, not including the districts is about 3 times as large as Madagascar
Thing to point out is that the trip probably took a lot more then 15 hours since they didnt swim straight to the opposite shore but down the coninent
a series where people can bite their hands and transform into flesh mechas with superpowers making them like a god: no way this dude survived floating in water for that long
This is actually quite interesting, I hadn't even thought of that. I just love the thought of Floch scraping his head against the water for 15 hours, slowly bleeding out at the same time, after which he still had the strength to walk from the dock to the hangar (come on, you can't tell me that after 15 hours he still had the strength to use ODM gear), after which he hit the tank of the flying ship perfectly. It is truly a shame that Hange died. They have become my favorite character after Season 4 aired. My consolation is that, in a way, Hange got their happy ending after death.
I guess that both the Yeagerists and the Alliance each had their own "plot armor" moments - although I personally don't like to use that word. Perhaps Isayama was in a bit of a hurry to finish the series, and didn't think carefully about what he was writing, or simply didn't notice that some moments made little sense. At least the moral of the story is clear, to most people at least.
In any case, nice vid. Keep it up :)
Are we really using logic to describe a cartoon show? Or how unrealistic ODM gear is? Or how when Levi sliced up the beast Titan in season 3, zekes whole body flew out due to swords?
Or Floch somehow surviving after the walls came tumbling down when the rumbling started?
Or how Levi killed 30 or so abnormal titans in such a short amount of time in the forest? List goes on. Just enjoy the show
@bobd2078 I mean- we can actually argue how "Realistic" it is using the own show rules
I mean
It’s VERY fitting for Floch to be the last one standing and still have some kick in him
It’s what started him after all
Great video. I think Hange’s death makes sense. But there could have been a better and more plausible reason for the engineers to be delayed that had nothing to do with Floch. That is what makes me so angry about Hange’s death: that Floch caused it even though he had no right to be there.
I would agree with the statement "they only sent one person to save supplies" but the only problem is, when in the entirety of season 4 did anyone complain about being low on supplies? even when their fighting the rumbling and are clearly using up alot of gas, not once did they mention their supplies being low. so I don't really think that argument can be used here.
Floch's just built different, obviously
Facts 🙌
"its our world upside down so obviously the two have to be the same scale" insane logical jump to make
Great video! Can't wait for the next one!
Lowkey I wish Floch made it to the final fight. Like I know he would be practically useless o just feel like the fan base would have loved that. Plus those sentinel things are so soulless to us having never seeing or caring about them
The only thing I would truly change about the scene with Floch shooting the plane is the angle at which he is positioned. Instead of having him at the back of the hanger and shooting towards the entrance, meaning he's shooting the plane side-on, I'd have had him walk down the left-hand wall of the hanger before they notice him.
This way, when he fires wildly it makes a lot more sense for some of his shots to actually hit the plane since it would have been the largest target in front of him; any bullets that didn't a person or the ground would have 100% hit the plane, which could have been just a single bullet to the fuel tank to have the same effect.
By "dumbest thing" I usually mean some kind of idea/solution or action. and this looks like some kind of plothole, of which there are already enough. For me personally, the dumbest thing is the battle for shiganshina. a real feast of madness, especially Erwin's charge
Oh do I have a video for you….
I’m pretty sure Floch did actually hit someone, I vaguely remember a shot of one of the engineers having a wound in his shoulder for a brief moment
As I watched it today, yes that did happen, the engineer was holding his shoulder while grabbing his tools
floch's bullets are magnetic of course, used his bullets to keep attached to the boat and the bullets were attracted to the plane
I like how he's a Jean parrallel and a constant reminder and temptation to seek the life within the first wall
RIP to flock man he was a real one
They might not have planes in the island, but they have trains and boats, proably he understood the plane had some kind of fuel deposit like those, or like the gas in the ODM gear, or he shot at the plane as it was the biggest target. What´s harder to buy is him grabbing to the boat for that long, maybe he grappled to the plane they were carring an hid there.
IMO floch hung onto the anchor or one of the other creaveses on the outside of the ship he had to get wet to swim around the dock so he wasnt seen immediately
this is me looking way too deep into it but the fact that water proof odm gear is mentioned makes me think, in season four with all its improvements it’s probably like a phone, water proof to an extent like from rain, but can’t be absolutely tossed into a pond or ocean and expect to be okay
now we have to wait for the last episode to get a third one lel
It doesn't make sense to send out more people to attack hundreds of wall titans and potentially lose more people especially when there's only like 8 of them left so Hange's sacrifice does make sense. also I wouldn't say that she was a bad commander she definitely faced the most adversity and death but she played the cards she was dealt with as well as she could plus she had some big shoes to fill coming after Erwin
I think she did the best she could too, but they literally had the chance to bring back Erwin, and then we would have Erwin to fill Erwin's shoes. also my point with hangie's sacrifice not making a ton of since is because if they all attacked the wall titans at once it would have slowed them down enough for all of them to swing back and get on the plain before takeoff. again they wouldn't even have to do that if Flock didn't impossibly survive and then land a killer grouping in the one spot of the plan that could reasonably slow them down
@collateral8920 I think that the main reason the cast doesn't help Hange kill the Collosul titans is because they would be significantly lower on compressed air for the final battle. In this sense them watching Hange while being fully geared up is them accepting Hange's sacrifice as a valuable sacrifice for the benefit of their resources.
yes I think you are right, but they never brought up the fact that they were low on resources, in fact they were probably high on resources since they just came from the dock that had a ton of people with odm gear. also would you rather have an additional comrade or a little bit more gas. It was Hange's call and she thought her life was less valuable that the resources so maybe she was right, but they didn't explain it that way. again, this all would not have happed if it wasn't for flock being able to slow them down.
I wouldn't imagine that a ship that the scouts were about to blow up would have any gas in it. And since there was a huge fight right before it's safe to assume that the cast wanted to save as much air as possible. Although I very much agree with all of your points about Flock's survival being completely unrealstic (who wouldn't) but if we disregard Flock's survival I believe that Hange's death is completely valid even if there could have been a different choice made. Like you said it was clearly a very rushed way to kill off Hange and I understand the type of anger such an oversight can make. For me though I can easily disregard a lot of the dumb decisions made near the end of aot because of how good a majority of the show is. Regardless is it a really dumb oversight. Literally any other reason for Hange's death would have been better
@@collateral8920 but Hange had nothing to do with the decision to bring back Armin so i dont know where you're going with that.. that was Levi and Erens decision mostly Levi if im not mistaken and Flock got shot in the shoulder, not a fatal shot yh it can be argued it was a stretch he didnt bleed out but it deffo weren't impossible
did the show ever say that floch was actually aiming for the fuselage or did he wildly shoot six times and hit the big ass plane three times because there is a big diffrence and even then i dont think luck could to far off explain that, not to say he should have survived the boat ride but its also worth pointing out that the seaon four scout armor is pretty visualy thick
I can imagine a situation where they are short on resources needed to power/maintain the ODM gears, so it made sense to only use 1 set of it instead of expanding multiple set of the ODM gears
I think bro is just built different, he’s just too cool
i'll always hate him, hange died because of him cuz he damaged that fuel tank (and i know that hange was tired mentally and her sacrificing herself was like a suicide but still)
but still, i can admit, he stands on business
he probably wanted only the main characters in the final fight so hange stays behind.
it is the very end of the show so dont think its that bad. flock needing to die there was unnecesary indeed; all they had to do was to make the scene more dramatic by any other means like simply the titans being faster than they expected because they are no longer as atrophied due to being in the wall for hundreds of years.
considering the jaeger squad still rules paradis, flock remaining alive would be akward though; he would be very vengeful about it. maybe he wanted to have flock die on screen so his character doesnt just get dropped off the story and so he isnt there ruling by the end.
I assumed this with AoT
Every other soldier is like peak human
Mfs like Levi Squad, Jean, Connie, Floch and etc are in the superhuman category due to their unreal endurance, Level of force with their blades and reaction speeds
Then there is the Super super humans in the Ackerman’s who are straight up as strong as titans in a regular himan body
So my idea is that Floch just had superhuman endurance considering the fact that he avoids Mikasa and Hanje, then avoids Pieck grabbing him, seemingly breaks his left arm with a close-range thunderspear and stuck onto the ship for 15 hours straight because he’s by definition. B u i l t d i f f e r e n t
The accuracy argument is kinda weak, all the engineers are crowded around the plane while they are fueling it. So when he starts shooting at the engineers he is likely to hit the plane on each of his misses or close to it. So in total he hit 1 Engineer in the shoulder, the plane 3 times and 2 total misses. As for the stowaway thing, it is plausible since there are not that many people on the boat, all of them think Floch is dead, but more likely, he could have hid under the tarp and on the flying ship but had to slip out when the hit port (hence why he is wet now). I doubt they would have heard him since they are on a huge coal ship in the middle of the sea (loud). The bleeding out claim is fine but I can imagine a well trained soldier being able to patch a wound to their shoulder. And yes, Floch did know who he was shooting at, he did shoot an Engineer, the one who says “don’t loose hope” is bleeding in the next shot. Also let’s be honest about Hanges death, the idea that “a good commander would have sent the whole squad in” (they need to go fast and could not have killed all of them) is ridiculous since we know they can’t wait because the plane barely reaches Eren. She knows that at face value she is the weakest one to bring along to fight Eren. They titans need to stay alive, Mikasa and Levi are master fighters, and she is just a well trained soldier. Jean and Connie are debatable but they wouldent do much more than Hange would have done reasonably.
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@@collateral8920 you got a counter?
My video is. you just said you think im wrong, I think your wrong it’s as simple as that
Why wouldn’t Floch have done what he did while the boat was still being dragged? Hell in the middle of the night if he had the strength to sneak onto the ship he should have had the strength to sneak onto the plane being dragged behind the ship… in the water… where he was supposedly. He could have easily done enough damage then.
It’s obviously just bad writing at the end… same thing with the rumbling showing up at that exact moment
@@Fabian-bo8tw I’m not sure if you understand how writing works but name 1 piece of media where threats don’t just show up, they don’t exists, it’s how writing works. And if we want to use this videos logic then how tf would he have know what to do? He probably was not on the boat so if he was under the tarp on the ride over he would have needed to become and engineer and figured out where the fuel tank was and shot it. He got lucky when he shot at the Engineers because the Engineers were standing directly on the fuel cell because of course bullets would hit the fuel cell if you fire wildly at people standing on and next to it.
I thought he was shot in the arm, which is why one of his arms is hanging limp when he starts shooting and that the arm he was using to shoot the thunder spear went back when you hear the thunder shot.
I’m not sure I’m making sense, but the point is I just thought his arm what was shot
He was you can see the bullet wound in his arm at 3:27
Flock the GOD the BADASS the BEST at water skiing in the whole AOT!
There’s no way this guy watched the episode twice
Assuming that for plot reasons, both Floch and Hange were destined to die, how would you have handled it?
Lmfao this video was fantastic
Honestly I think assuming the distance is the same just because of a shortcut taken in Map design isn't the best research. It makes for a funny concept that Floch just hung on for 15 hours with no desire or need to breath but realistically, it probably just illustrates that the base assumption is false. He probably hit the fuel tank because he was aiming at the Engineers who were standing next to it, which would make for a 0% accuracy (which i regularly achieve in COD without clinging to a ship in open sea for hours). Finally, I think the characterisation of Hange as stupid just makes me feel like you're not watching the show, as they are portrayed throughout as one of AoT's most intelligent characters. It's far more logical to surmise that Hange sacrificed themselves because despite being a good leader, and Floch being categorically and objectively wrong about Hange, they are not willing to sacrifice the lives of their soldiers for a suicide mission. Hange knew from the get-go that they were on a one-way trip, and the idea worked, without the need to sacrifice the entire regiment.
This ignores that floch spent a few days alone with the engineers and couldve learned something a out the boat
The fact that he survived that fall, water wouldn't save you from a certain height.
i didn’t even read it as “he targeted the fuel tank” i just figured that a plane made to fly long distances between continents it probably had a big ass fuel tank and he got lucky trying to take out a few of the anti-yaegerists
It's a great idea to send five tired soldiers, and one wounded soldier, to get even more tired by fighting hundreds of extremely tall monsters that can cook you alive just through proximity, and often bombard everything nearby with debris of stuff they knock over like that bell tower. And yeah let's put these exhausted soldiers to work afterwards by sending them to fight Eren and all that was on and below him. Don't forget to give the engineers no help in pushing out the airship to further slow down the embarking process.
It's an absolutely genius plan, one that Erwin would've for sure done it knowing that he didn't even try to minimize casualties during Zeke's bombardment by spreading out the horse charge more than just the packed corridor he sent out.
It's funny how you say that Flock's actions led directly to Hange's death (as Flock expected after Erwin wasn't saved), and then blame Hange's death on Isayama's writing, instead of on her own leadership (which you already blamed before), and wasn't even the issue! You're all over the place man.
Quick thing, Good video, but I'm pretty sure the characters said then needed to go to Earth Dijbouti, as opposed to just main land africa. meaning Flock was keelhauled for 2k+ Miles opposed to 300 miles...
If Floch was hanging on the boat the whole time, why didn’t he just damage the hull from there? I get that he was passed out, but for such a long time there should definitely have been times when he was awake during the journey.
Floch's reasoning for saving Erwin wasnt all because he had a moment of realization. He wants Erwin to continue to suffer for making his comrades die.
Also, no. Floch very much knew the importance of the Azumabito engineers. That's why he ordered The Yeagerists to kill them when they were trying to reach the ship. Floch's aim was to mainly kill the engineers, but would settle for anyone if it means delaying or even stopping their plans. He got lucky hitting the fuel tank.
I still like flock, at least as an idea. The idea that someone can be pushed to an extremist ideal by an extreme situation is very intriguing and makes sense.
Protecting your country from invasion is not a extremist idea at all.
@@lain5858 you have a point actually 🤣
It could be that Flock used his odm to get ride on the plane. And he then swam away from it when they reached destination
Honestly, Mikasa would have also died if she fought off the colossals like Hange did. No amount of skill can stop the the fact that those titans are hot enough to set fire to surrounding vegetation just in their proximity. If you look closer, what actually kills Hange is her ODM gear exploding, likely due to the heat.
Also fun fact: The Iceburst Stone used to power ODM gear is based off methane clathrate, which is obtainable on Earth, and also flammable.
I always thought it was Shadis that shot Flock and I felt Flock was trying to aim at the wing of flying boat but miss instead hit the tank
Flock did manage to hit someone. We see that one of the engineers has a shoulder wound, meaning he was shot there. I also think Flock's wound was in his shoulder, not the heart... You're absolutely right about anything else though 🤣🤣
Even still, I liked the scene.
I could see floch hanging onto the anchor at the back
he probably got on the boat and jumped into the water to get off without anyone noticing
Connie would have soloed the colossal titans 😎 sending hange alone was dumb but heyho I’m just glad floch got to have a semi impactful moment in the specials. His arc was good
no way, that one lucky character has so much luck! So unrealistic. big naked giants, i love them because they are so not unrealistic and naked
Flock survive the 15 hours under the boat being drag while bleeding out simply because he is voiced by Giorno and it is casual for a jojo character to do such feat
floch was shot in the shoulder and when you get shot and if you are in water,you dont die that quickly. In water,bleeding just works differently...
I agree with the first video. Reiner's brains in his balls... Ridiculous. Don't agree with this one tho. They were towing the aircraft behind the ship, covered in a tarp. All he had to do was get to that, make a slit to get inside and he's got a dry free ride while applying pressure to his wound. I also agree with the other comment down there saying his shots were lucky and he was just trying to kill the scout and engineers.
This is a huge streach, but he could have used his odm gear after falling into the water whilst the fight was going on, and sat on the rudder or something. It'd explain how he's wet but I can't explain away the gunshot.
After Eren Transforms into the Founding everything up till the end is explained away with headcannon and bullshit. :(
MY THEORY WOULD BE THAT EREN HELPED FLOCK
I think this video is demonstrating an incorrect perspective claiming there's "contextual evidence" about the situation. But in reality: I think too many assumptions are being made that are not taking into account a lot of other important factors (for example: Gabi's shot on Floch). I swear if I hear about how it's "poor writing" again, I'm gonna scream BECAUSE....it has been stated and shown in the story that Gabi is oh idk....THE BEST WARRIOR CANDIDATE WITH THE HIGHEST MARKS. Does anyone not realize that this most likely means (like it's a brain dead assumption because it could very well be the case) that YOU MUST BE THE BEST SHOT IN THE COUNTRY to have THE HIGHEST MARKS FOR A WARRIOR CANDIDATE. I could honestly go on with explaining and exploring how the same assumptions made regarding: Floch hung onto the boat, floch somehow knew where the fuel tank was, Floch was there to make Hange's death happen, ALL OF THIS AND MORE are assumptions that could easily be flipped with assumptions from THE OPPOSITE SIDE, meaning this: Floch zipped into the boat at night when everyone else was fucking asleep because what "watch" and "heavy guarding" is really going on here? Or perhaps: Floch knew where to fire because OH IDK...He was told by Eren?! He learned by talking with the Azumabitos he held hostage, or maybe even, he knew about what a flying boat was for way longer because it was shared with paradise by the Marleyans. My point: IF YOU MAKE ASSUMPTIONS AND CLAIM THAT EQUALS BAD WRITING, THEN DO THE SAME FUCKING THING FOR WHAT COULD ACTUALLY BE POSSIBLE BUT JUST NOT EXPLAINED THAT DO CONTRIBUTE TO THE STORY. ASSUMPTIONS ARE ASSUMPTIONS....just because it isn't explained, doesn't mean it's bad writing. Furthermore there are clues fucking everywhere which CAN support the claim that assumptions must be made about how things have happened to contribute to the story THAT HAVE NOT BEEN EXPLAINED, because they WERE ALREADY HINTED AT OR DISCUSSED IN SOME MEASURE. Hange couldnt fucking win regardless, so saying they "gave up on life" is a damn travesty of an assumption to make because as we know, that situation was unwinnable....that's the point, not to survive, but to provide time for the others. SOMEONE HAS TO DO IT. Sure if Floch wasn't there, THAT PROBLEM wouldn't exist...but HE COULD VERY WELL BE THERE. finally I'll leave this: you made an assumption about him getting shot in the "chest", hilarious because it looks like the damn shoulder/upper chest ON THE RIGHT SIDE. YOU CAN SURVIVE THIS. See what I mean about assumptions LITERALLY RUINING THINGS?!?
Why in the actual f did eren leave floch and the other Yeagerists in charge? That aside I think Floch played a huge role and is probably the most overhated characters who, like everyone else, did what he thought he had to in order to save the island
Yeah I also feel like Floch shouldn’t have survived the travel there. Like he’s mostly added there just to add some action in that scene. If he wasn’t there then it would’ve just been a scene of them doing maintenance for the plane then flying to Eren
Floch is Eren's underappreciated friend.
i thought it was because hange didn't want to live in a world without titans
I completely agree that flocks death/conclusion isn’t thought out or satisfying, and like you say is forced. And while I don’t think Angie’s death was handled well in the anime as it comes off as a little cheesy and her going to Heaven is retarded, but I do think that the reason why she dies makes sense. In the world does make a sock survive slowing down the colossal‘s, you can’t get close enough to more than three without catching a blaze, no matter how good you are at ODM gear. So obviously sending multiple scouts would be a waste, you only need one to buy enough time, and while she could’ve sent Jean or Connie, I think she realized that she isn’t Erwin, that not only does she not have the capability to be a monster, but also that her life is not as valuable to the scouts as theirs. Unlike Erwin the scouts will be much better off with Armin leading them
Flock is best bro waifu. Eren knew he had to either kill all of humanity for he’s friends to have a chance and he was right.
Hange sacrificing herself makes more sense than risking squad members who are needed to defeat eren as well as they would’ve needed to conserve resources and she needed to fight to her death to give them all the time they needed and colossal Titans emit a ton of heat anyone else would’ve died the same way hange did
"Just an excuse to kill off Hange" is kind of a weird argument ngl.
You could frame anything like this if you wanted, everything is essentially "just an excuse for something to happen", that just causs and effect, of course things need an excuse, that doesnt make it bad.
The right question would be "does it work well in the story?" Or "does it contribute to the overall enjoyability of the show?".
Something that made me REALLY mad was the fact that Floch didn't want Erwin to live because he was a great commander
He wanted him to suffer because of the deaths of the Survey Corp
well i mean thats.. fair. i'm pretty sure even erwin would consider what he did heinous
@@xaevius5319 I get that, but my point is
Floch didn't want him to live because of his abilities
Floch wanted him to suffer
@@Max-ix9lk i don't think he did, it was a mix of both. if anything i think that reason is more 60 40 that direction
@@xaevius5319 I think the subtitles I had were way off then lmao, they only emphasize that he wanted Erwin to suffer
thanks for pointing that out, now I have more reason to hate floch