We Did It Again (Hard 4x4 Self Recovery)// EP.76
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- We did it again, we got stuck pretty badly with our Land Rover Defender, this time on top of a remote mountain in Argentina. (Tromen Volcano).
If you remember the time we sank our Land Rover Defender, you might remember how tough it was. In that case we got help from locals to rescue our car. In this case we are alone to find a way to get our bluelandy unstuck from snow and mud.
We knew it was going to take a lot of effort and team work to get out of this one. What we didn't know it would end up being the most difficult self recovery to this date.
Seat down and chill while we sweat our asses off. Everything got recorded, and it is as raw as it gets.
Enjoy the Ride!
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We, Kai & Irati from Germany and Spain, are currently on a full-time Overland journey. We quit our jobs, our apartment and left Germany mid of March 2022. We traveled all the way from Germany to South Africa, and had amazing experiences for one and half years. Follow us in season 3 where we will be exploring South America
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• Land Rover Defender 11...
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GMB "Esel" roof rack
GMB long range fuel tank
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For all of you, that wrote us, we need to add a winch, this video is for you. 🙈
So langsam wäre ne Winde doch gut 😉 und Sperren … , aber kauft euch keine Billigwinde , das rächt sich .
There is no tree... Or any other kind of hard point... Not sure if a winch is really that useful. I had a similar situation in Iceland. Ever since then I bring something to lift the car.
You answered the issue yourselves. Impressed by your road building skills and problem solving.
@@our_roadtrip das ist kein Problem
@@our_roadtrip There is a winch anchor. 🍻
The first thing to do when you get stuck - “have lunch”. Then you can approach the challenge with a calm mindset. 😊
Absolutely true! No way one can dig for hours and make such a path without fueling the body! 🥦🍝🍖
Plus your truck will be a bit lighter. 😁
@@markrainford1219 yes and you will be heavier, will be able to push that track
Exactly and carry
With you the correct equipment specially if you are driving on snow snow tires or tires chains ⛓️ can help a lot and real maxtrax those metallic ones are very slippery not good no bueno compadres
Very very impressive, guys.
Once more you worked as a team, didn't get too frustrated, worked hard and steady, and were persistent.
So glad that you were well prepared to stick it out up in the mountains for as long as it took and that you had fuel, food, water, and clothing to handle the conditions.
Bravo guys!
Quite an emotional moment when Bluelandy finally made it's way to solid ground. 😊👏
Thank you! That's why is always important when going anywhere to have food and water. Then you know you can take whatever it comes your way. I think the only way to be effective is to stay calm and take an step at a time. For me (Irati) was not that natural before but with time and these kind of experiences one normalizes it and only focuses on the logical steps forward. Thank you for watching and commenting 🤗🤗
@@Thebluelandy Thanks Irati for the great videos and excellent editing you do!
@@badfinger61 😎🤟
I experianced that gravity is my friend. I mostly always got free by pulling downhill. Uphill takes so much more effort, working against gravity. Good luck! Thank you for your content. All the best👍
Yeah, many times is the best direction. In this case we wanted to avoid all the work of making the platform. But well ,that made us work double as we tried without success to go forward. Next time our wheels spin this way we will not doubt it twice!
Great incredibly stressful video! I went and kissed my winch immediately after watching this.
Aha !! I'm about to do the same ..
I bet the winch appreciated that. Maybe sometimes it feels lonely 🥺😂
Hahahaah
Good effort, good to learn such recovery techniques before fitting a winch. I second the advice of lockers. Great teamwork
Thank you so much for watching and commenting. If you can afford it and can have the extra weight absolutely go for it. 🤟🤟
Guauuuuuuuu, cuanta adrenalina....!!!! Felicitaciones por este video, lleno de ansiedad y angustia que nos mantuvo todo el tiempo tensos para ver como al final, pudieron superar las dificultades..... Felicitaciones....!!! Y a seguir viviendo aventuras....!!! Saludos desde Buenos Aires....!!!!
Fue una aventura que tuvo de todo! Mi intención fue capturar los momentos de la manera más real posible, dejando la camera grabando mientras nosotros tomábamos las decisiones en función de lo que ocurría. Gracias al trabajo en equipo, fue posible salir de la situación y disfrutar de las vistas y de la cerveza bien merecida!
@@Thebluelandy Gracias por tu comentario y buenos viajes para ustedes...!!!
What a great team work. Congratulations and thank You for your videos
It was a great team work yeap. That's to it we made it out.😬 Thank you for following along 🙂
Thanks for sharing. What a jamb to get into . Good you got out.A well deserved beer 😅
Yeap, that was not what we were looking for at that mountain 😂 we slid all the way down to the only snow channel in that hill . 🙈
I just finished watching the rest of the recovery in your video - the 3 of you did a tremendous job as a T E.A.M. (Together Everybody Achieves More) - well done! Regards, Joseph (Cape Town, South Africa).
Team work always for the win!! Thank you for your comment 🤗
Awesome episode Irati. If it wasn't for you, the boys won't tell us a thing. 😂 Great recovery, learned a lot from your episode. Wishing you all an awesome journey forward. ❤
Haha so true 😅🙈 happy that I did, so we have now forever to watch 😎 Happy to share, we also watchef videos of these kind of situations before and it helps getting a feeling for it.
This one will, for always, remain one of your favorite stories to tell when people ask you about incidents on your travels .. .. .. .. guaranteed!! Through all the planning, digging, trying, failing and more digging you still produced a great video - taking us with you in a very entertaining way, through this whole 'stuck' experience. Well done and a great show !! Next time, just use that very expensive piece of equipment that is so nice to have [but only sometimes] .. .. .. your winch ha ha ha ha Best for now.
Oh yeah. And it's always great to have it in video, because it's easier to understand after seeing it. 😅 It was great to leave the camera running and get the action as raw as possible. Because this way also people have an idea of what happens in such situations. Iean I could have left it even more raw without cuts but it would be hours and hours...winch or not winch that's the million dollar question. 😂😂😂
🙄To winch or not to winch, that is the question. My approach has always been - if I have nothing else to do with the money a winch will cost, then I will fit one. However, it is a personal issue - different strokes for different okes. Stay safe. H@@Thebluelandy
What a adventure! Well Done all off you! 👍
What a hell of a ride, yeah! Thank you!!😎
These are true adventures 😂. I also know it very well 😊👍.
Greetings from Germany 🙋♂
TC-Rudi
We try our best to go some less traveled roads 😎
What a recovery! I just came to see the disaster. As an overlander I also had such experiences. That's why they say: "A 4x4 without Lockers is only half a 4x4". Besides Recovery boards the first thing I would upgrade are front and rear lockers. They can really safe your ass. If one side looses traction the power goes the way of least resistance. Wheels without traction are spinning and where you have traction nothing moves. Believe me, it's a great investment.
We believe they can make a huge difference, specially in case like this. We always found a way to work around it. It's always more work, but thanks to that we learnt to get out in other ways haha. But yeah in the future we might install a rear lock (Detroit lock)
Just Wow. Well done to all of you, good teamwork 👌
Thank you! It was tough, but we made it. And had a workout in the end 😅
Great fun video. Hard work but you will always think back about this situation as fun. There is always a way to anchor a winch, even burying the jack or something horizontal in a dug trench. I would have high-lifted the back right to get the tire completely off the ground and piled rocks under the tire and behind to make more even traction, out of the rut you created. Saves all that digging. Maybe also lift the front right the same process. I admire you in your travels. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for watching! We tried lifting the car with the high lift, like we have done many other times. You can see Kai doing it, but it was extremely dangerous as the high lift was sinking in the mud! No chance to do it safely for us or the Landy.
Great job guys. A winch may have helped but on reflection if it was too easy you wouldn't have the memories, experience and now the sense of achievement. A winch works well with two vehicles, unless you get lucky enough to have a point to anchor it of course. Keep up the great work and content guys.
Thank you so much! Yeap, a winch would have helped in this situation,but we found a way to get out in other way. With several cars and a winch one can start getting into way trickier paths. 😎
5:44 I see that everything was covered by snow, there was no way of tell which was the best line. A beautiful place to get stuck. All along I thought that landrovers had the option to lock the dif. Was funny how you were trying to prevent wheel spin with ropes. A front, center and rear lock is a dream feature.
Hey Nicolas, in Diet the conditions were difficult, and with a lot of slushy snow on the left I was not sure how far left I could go…
Defender come as a standard with central diff lock and reduction, which in combination with great axle movement makes them great 4x4s.
I'd love to have a diff-lock in the rear axle but it was always a bit too expensive and I didn't see enough justification for it. As soon as the rear diff needs replacement I'll put in either a Detroit locker or an air locker.
I hope you don't misunderstand this!!!
Despite the fact that you worked together brilliantly and showed a lot of patience, I cannot understand why, after almost sinking your Defender, you still haven't refitted a winch. Perhaps because I competed in off-road competitions for over 10 years, before I discovered my passion for overland travel with my 110 Defender.
I cannot understand why many overlanders do without a winch, especially as they are usually on the road alone and with heavily loaded vehicles .
But it looks like you've learned your lesson this time. Winch and plasma rope are simply a must, especially if, like you, you like to travel “off the beaten track”.
In theory, you could have “winched yourself out” with your high lift, but to do that you would have needed the additional kit - a set of chains that would have turned your high lift into a kind of cable pull.
But without a point to securely attach the high lift, you wouldn't have gotten much further, even with this kit.
An additional equipment, whether with a winch or a cable pull, that might be of use in a situation like yours, could be an „earth-anchor.
Here I recommend that you look for forestry supplies. There are variants that are heavy, but take up relatively little space. Simply described, these are 2 or 3 solid flat irons that are connected at one end and can be folded apart in a V shape.
A shackle and a winch rope or similar can also be attached to an eyelet there.
The flat irons usually have 3 holes each through which approx. 1-1.5 cm thick and 50-70 cm long „steel nails“ can be driven into the ground...
Even a simple V-shape with 6 steel rods, in fairly solid ground is sufficient for your Defender.
Another accessory for your high lift could also make sense.
Two massive hooks are attached to the high-lift, which can be hooked into the holes in the rim. This means you can lift the axle directly and not just the frame or body. so you can e.g. easily raise a wheel so far, that you can put a recovery board underneath it and get out of a hole or ditch, without much shovelling work.
Should you ever have to get yourself out of an awkward situation backwards, take a look at the recovery set from „Bog Out“, which is “wound” over a wheel, like a snow chain and then winds up on the tire, which means you can, so to speak, a la Munchausen, pull yourself out of the mud by your own braid. However, this only works, if the wheel used, is also rotating.
OK, enough “smart shit”, I hope my tips help you! keep it up!
No worries! We agree with your points! They make sense for some and it's important to consider them. For us we struggle so much with space in the Landy, that there is no way we would be able to transport an earth anchor or similar around the world. We know that with additional kits we would be out a lot faster than in this example, but Overlanding in our understanding is also working with what you have. Regarding the winch, the space would not be an issue. But as you mention without a proper anchor or similar in this case it would be useless. We might get one winch in the future, but for this trip the $$ and the extra weight for winch+bumper seemed not to be justified.
Thank you for following along and leaving some" smart shit" in the comments, we really appreciate it 🤗❤️
Next time without a winch and anchor points, try the "dead man anchor" with your extra tire, then use the hi-lift, 2 hours digging vs 1 day trying stuff.
We don't think the Highlift would be able to pull the nearly 3 tons of the Landy. Burying the tire in this terrain is really a lot of work, that's why we didn't go for it after realizing the rock didn't hold...
Winch and Detroit locker for the rear Salisbury for the win!! Money we spent. Both have been super helpful for my 110 Perentie.
Hey! How does it turn? We have heard the Detroit locker just wants to go straight! Did you experience any weirdness while driving?
@@Thebluelandy i have detroit lockers front/back on an early toyota 4runner, it's the 2-door version with the removable top... lockers are a must for serious off-roading, but on pavement yes, the rear will unlock a tire when going around corners and then sometimes bang and chirp a tire, so there can be slightly increased tire wear and noise, but all in all it's not a big deal... there are other mechanical locker options as well, sometimes people will swap axles to get better options, for instance i have seen people put toyota axles under those early land rovers... p.s. thx for posting this video, we can learn from what you all did.
WOW, crazy challenge, but you did it. Bravon gut gemacht!
Yiha! We did. It took us a while, but we did!
That was unbelievable patience and work to get out of that situation! Well done guys. I applaud you!
Thank you! One needs tons in such situation and also don't forget it a pinch of humor. 😳🙈
Acabo de descubrir vuestros canal. Me encanta!!
Me ha hecho gracia que una vasca hablando alemán tenga acento francés 😂😂 (te lo dice un alemán criado en Málaga)
Bienvenido!! Lo mas gracioso es que no es la primera vez que me lo dicen (lo del acento francés), pero Kai y Karsten no creen que tenga. 🤔
I have a winch fitted to my 300Tdi and it's great when needed, you do use it when you have one, to help others most of the time, however, it is 30Kg of your payload which could maybe be used better elsewhere if only needed twice in so many years travel. The other issue is because you have a winch fitted you may be tempted to tackle a route you would otherwise avoid & get into deeper trouble, it's a hard one but a longer rope or more straps & a Tirfor hand winch is a very versatile unit and good idea. Admire your calm approach to a crisis, not making it any worse is a great ethos.
Yes! The extra payload is something to consider as well as the $$ for the winch and a new bumper. For the moment it was not worth it. I can believe having one can mean you take more risky paths 🙈 I think we are used to having some trouble so one just follows the usual steps without getting to stressed. 😅
Süper bir kurtuluş hikayesi
Zordu ama takım çalışması her zaman kazanır 💪😎
Harter Job. Cool, wie der Fahrer trotz teilweise widersprüchlicher Kommandos so ruhig blieb.
Ich denke aber, die Sandbleche hätten immer nur auf die Beifahrerseite gehört; da lag die Last.
Letzte Chance wäre leichtern gewesen. Macht man bei aufgelaufenen Booten auch: alles raus an Gewicht…
Tückisch fand ich natürlich die Unterspülung unterm Schnee😮
Hey, glaub mir wir haben alles probiert. Das problem ist, Sanbleche bringen nur was wenn die Reifen durchdrehen. Da die Reifen links kein Last hatten und wir keine quer sperren haben drehen die Reifen links frei und rechts dreht nix.
Wir haben es am ende geschafft, das ist was zählt 😉
Possible solution: tie both the front and back wheel on the high side together, effectively blocking them from turning. Both the low side wheels in the ditch then will get all the drive via the open differentials and that gives a possibility to manhandle yourself out of the ditch. Block the free spinning wheels from turning, because they have proven themselves useless in the attempt to drive, but are taking all the power away from the load bearing wheels on the low side.
We tried to block them with the straps, you can see it in the middle of the video. But it didn't work as smoothly as we thought 😭😭😭
It's good to dig out under the vehicle before letting air out of the tires because you will have much more ground clearance to get the shovel under there. Your dedication to camera work is amazing I can't wait to watch more! I also would recommend v-bar tire chains, you can carry 2 or 4 but I always start with only chaining up whichever wheel is spinning and that is usually enough. Just make sure you have enough tire clearance if you want to use tire chains.
Hey thank you so much! Glad you enjoy the videos!
We have really heavy duty chains, but they weigh 30kg a pair and are quite bulky. Therefore we didn’t want to drive them around with us for two years. Where we only had maybe 5 days with enough snow to use chains.
@@Thebluelandy I've had big truck chains in my 4Runner for many years now, only used them a couple times, I actually don't need them for deep snow so I reserve them for recovery, but there was one time when the mountains just turned to ice while I was camping up there, I don't know if I would've made it back down safely without them. They make a good counterweight anyway since me and the dogs all ride on the driver's side. And they're lighter than a winch, especially with a winch bumper, easier to install, and probably safer to use.
Tip: reduce tire pressure before you do any offroading and get some propper tires
We reduced the tire pressure half way up the mountain. We just tried to drop it to 12 psi to get out.
We’re pretty happy with our tire choice, the BFG All Terrains suite what we do perfectly, but they got old over the last 75k km yes but that happens with all tires. They still have some life in them but for sure they do not bite like they did as if they were new.
If your going to be bogged somewhere, there is a good a place as any. you can buy or make a ground anchor similar to a boat anchor that you dig into the ground and winch with your high lift jack. you could also burry the spare wheel and place a bar or log behind the wheel and winch off that. in that case going backwards first would have saved alot of time but life is an adventure and you sucedded so well done and happy trails.
A winch would have made everything a lot smoother, no doubt. Regarding going backwards, we could do it only creating a platform, and that meant hours of work , we thought very naively we could avoid. Without platform the risk was way to big of getting stuck further down in the snow channel. And then no way to get out by ourselves 😭
Greetings from Palm Springs, CA. Safe travels! 📸 Air down the tires!
We did! Greetings from rainy Bolivia
@@Thebluelandy 😅😅😅 👋🏼☕
Moin, das war doch mal ein schönes " Frühstück Video".
Weiterhin viel Spaß.
Gruß von der Untermosel wo der Schnee wieder weg ist.
Vielen Dank! Es war ein hartes "Training", aber wir haben es dank Teamarbeit geschafft. Grüße aus dem viel zu regnerischen Bolivien 😭
@@Thebluelandy Mahlzeit, immer gerne mehr davon, da kann man doch was lernen.
Wünsche Euch eine gute Zeit, übrigens liegt das 50m Stahlseilt noch hier rum.
Awesome vide always used what's around you for recovery jack up the SUV put rocks trees and grass under the tires before attempting to move otherwise you are just making a larger hold / This video took to long we can't wait because your videos are the best 🤗🤗🤗
Yes! But we underestimated how difficult it would be. It really looked easier than it was. But I can assure you, next time like this we will know better. The funny things is you need to go through something like this to learn to do different next time. Thank you for waiting. At the moment it's not possible to put videos weekly, but we are still recording so they will come at one point in the future! 🤟
I'm with Kai. Instead of a winch I'd get some chains and new tires if yours have no tread left - maybe even MTs. Oh, and adjusting the tire pressure before it's too late also might help to prevent these kinda situations 🙃 ...if you still want to spend some coin, get diff lockers.
Yes! We have chains back in Germany! For snow it's the best for sure, but fore the trip it was way too much considering most of the time we would drive during summer months. Our tread is basically nearly 0 haha, we are pushing our BFGs to the limit as we want to finish the trip and then buy knew in Europe. We had MTs and we sold them after some months because they were TERRIBLE in snow. We had a very scary moment coming down a mountain in France and 0 grip before a corner. That was the moment we decided to sell them. For mud, they are the best. In snow sometimes higher pressure helps, depends the consistency of it. And diff locks, yeah we are considering in the future a Detroit locker. Thank you for your comment!!
Great teamwork and recovery. I can say from experience with our Defender that a winch would have helped - if you could anchor it.
A winch would have made everything easier for sure. There was a bigger rock further up, if the cable is long enough we would be able to use it. We made it in another way. Thank you for your comment !
There will not always be a big rock or tree to winch from. Think land anchor plate with pins and Tirfor winch.
In this case it was difficult to find one as well. Those help yeap, but they are bulky 🤷
At least a come-a-long is needed for a your basic kit.
You can get a portable one that sits in a carrier and plugs into the trailer hitch if you don't want to have it always installed. They are an investment, but when you are traveling in such remote areas, recovery gear can mean the difference between life and death.
Entertaining video though. Safe travels.
Hey!! Before getting some, we would get a winch first. But for the moment and this trip , this is how we travel 👍
On this overlanding, have you considered a snack block and a winch? My wife and I, enjoy your adventure and keep it up!
*snachblock
No, we haven't. It was too expensive and heavy to consider it as it might have helped only two times (this one included) in the last 10 years. Lockers for the back, that would be something to add in the future. Thank you for following along! It's a pleasure to share 😬😬😬
LOL while you are asking for a winch, ask for front and back lockers and a 50 m winch rope extension., oh and some chains :)
All those would have helped for sure! Chains we have back in Germany and are super useful for winter conditions. Lockers... For the back might be something we might get in the future. But for the moment that would be it🙌
A winch and a “deadman’s recovery kit”.
It would make the whole thing smooth yeap!
oh que queria estar ai para ajudar vocês, mas fiquei muito positivo para que tivessem paciencia, quando conseguiram sai sair dei grito de vitoria valei estou torcendo por vocês abraço 🤣😂😊
Obrigado pelo seu apoio e boas vibrações! sempre fico feliz em ler seu comentário 🤗
In addition to the winch, you would want to carry a sand anchor.
Absolutely no space for that 😂 we are already traveling like anchovies in a can 🙈
I was holding my breath
I don't blame you! Even for us was difficult to see what was going to work. 🙈
Great effort; great teamwork; great recovery. All is well and life is good!
Love your comment! LIFE IS GOOD 😊
Keine Winch. Ihr seit doch auch so raus gekommen :-) Mit einer Winch wäre es nur schneller gegangen. Schönes, ehrliches Video.
Genau! Mit einer wäre es leichter gegangen 🙈 aber Dank Teamarbeit haben wir geschafft. Vielen Dank für den Kommentar! 🤗🤗🤗
Das geräusch ab min.25 ist die Dieselpumpe ich glaube weil ihr so schräg wart konnte sie nicht richtig saugen oder dieselfilter wasser ablassen bzw tauschen
Ja, genau, die Dieselpumpe!! Es passierte danach noch ein paar Mal, immer in der gleichen Situation 😅
A winch and a anchor would definitely help you guys
For sure it would have made everything easier, but no space for that sand anchor anywhere. And the extra weight and $$$ for the winch...
Amazing that the little terrace held up - congratulations! I know from own experience how things can get progressively difficult but that there is a solution in the end - never give up - and you didn't! Interesting that all the "fancy" stuff didn't work, like using the high-lift as winch, or the belt over the wheels. Also, how does the diff lock work for the defender? Did I understand correctly that the wheels turned freely on one side?
Yeah, it didn't seam that difficult in the beginning,but slowly we realized it was going to require a bit more than usual from us to get out. Yeah , all those didn't work here, for other times did. Always try all your repertoire 😎 we have a central diff lock, meaning we spread 50/50 the power to the front and back. But we don't have axle lock, so if in both front and back one of the sides is spinning you don't go anywhere. 😅
@@Thebluelandy that explains it! I have a Mitsubishi myself where the diff lock seems to work crosswise , I.e. If for instance left front and right back don't have traction , I'm done for ... (but I am not totally sure of this ).
Ground anchors, ratchets and chains would be the alternative to a winch. Even with a winch you really need anchors as well.
There’s only so much you can carry, nobody overlanding is gonna carry a ground anchor.
That would be nice, but its not realistic for our type of travel. If you go specifically to the mountains in rough conditions then yeah I agree with you get prepared. 🙌
Yes! Exactly 🤗
No diff lockers ?
We have central diff lock but no axle diff lock. Traveling how we do, we rarely need that level of locking. In this case if would have helped, but not sure if would have got us out really.
If you use your LR off-road, it seems crazy not to have a good winch fitted?
For some is crazy to not have one, yeah, for us only would have helped in two occasions (this time included). 😅
@@Thebluelandy I would guess that not having a winch, could be a life or death thing, in a very remote location?
@@humourless682 we don't believe so. The last thing you want is specially to rely only on having a winch.
@@Thebluelandy Without a winch, if you are bogged in miles from civilisation, with no one around to help, what are you going to do?
Seems to me, off-roading alone, without a winch, is a bit like not having a spare wheel.
The weird noise was the fuel pump. It had been at that angle with little fuel for a while, once you got the car level it stopped as the fuel was back covering the bottom of the pump.
Yes! Exactly!! It happened a couple of more times and it was in the same scenario (low fuel level and inclination).
That was some serious recovery effort. Now all you need to add to your adventure is for that volcano to erupt!
At one point during the whole thing I thought about it... And then I was AAA naaaah what are the chances 🙈
Great job! As a TD5 owner of 20 yrs, one rule is not to run the car long periods with less the 1/4 fuel in the tank! The pump needs fuel to lubricate it , especially in rough conditions. I went through 3 pumps in a few years till I learnt this, and the last one has lasted over 10 years and still going! Try and keep your tank above 1/4 if you can.
Good luck.
Cheers Gregg.
Hey Gregg, that’s a good hint! I’ll consider it when possible! Im still on the second pump at 300k km. And the the fist one broke as I tried to connect the heater. I kept is as a spare to be disassembled
@@Thebluelandy WOW , you have done great to get that much from the pumps! Well done and safe travels!
Gregg🙂
Cool. Rundherum ist an diesem Auto irgend etwas angebaut - fehlt vorn nur eine Winde... ;-)
Vielleicht oder vielleicht sind wir im Moment gut mit der Ausrüstung, die wir haben.😉
Yes the winch takes the tension, not you😮a more relaxed recovery , but you all did verywell, from Steve near Chester England 🏴 where the Roman's once lived 😊.
It would have been way more relaxed and also less physically intensive. We had muscle ache for days. 🙈
Maybe diff lockers and two more sandboards?
For this case maybe but not for the rest 99% of the trip 🤔
But there might be an additional rear locker in the future. That is something that was in Kai's mind for a while.
Locking differentials would also help. Glad everyone is safe this time. Some places you might not want to stay around for two days while stuck.
We had or central diff locked but yeah axle lock would make everything easier 😅 we enjoyed the views when we needed a pause from picking stones 🙂
Vialidad de Argentina debería contratarlos para modificar caminos . Movieron más tierra que las máquinas que trabajan en la cordillera.
Jajajaja 😆 nos llevó horas crear esa plataforma 🙈🙈🙈 Vialidad seguramente no está de acuerdo con nuestra construcción 😶
@@Thebluelandyno hay duda que necesitan un winch, salir de esa situación les hubiera llevado solo un rato. Ahora sabemos quién maneja el dinero en la expedición. 😂
do yo have traces from Argentina????
Do you mean gpx tracks? We don't share those as we always encourage others to make their own routes, but if you are interested in an specific place we will be happy to share more details!
Nice work getting out. I see you realised like I did( learned the hard way as well ), better to work with gravity when possible, than against it . Winch helps in some situations, but with means to lift the car, shovel. and recovery boards. you can get out most things except river crossings... A locker is a very good thing to have, at least a rear one. And since you are crafty engineer, you can do the install yourself. You already have on board air. That is half of the expense already. I would consider more a locker, no extra weight or space in the car, and 2 more sand boards.
Yes! Sometimes is better to retrieve 🙌 the winch is necessary in very specific occasions and it's always better to master other ways of recovery to don't over depend on it. We consider a locker in the back but a Detroit locker. Regarding the air lockers, even though we have air on board, we have learnt it is very difficult sometimes to build enough high pressure when we are in high altitude (4000m over sea level) and then it's not that reliable anymore. But yeah, most probably something we might consider before getting a winch.
there would have been lots more swearing involved had I been helping you get unstuck
Hahaha 🤣
This was painful to watch. I've been in similar situations before. I'm glad the 3 of you were there to help each other and get out of there.
Well done team! You do an incredible job capturing overlanding adversities in its purest form 🙌🏾
Thank you! We try to show it as raw as possible. 🤟
Buddy in the grey hat has a bad attitude, he’s not nice to the girl. He needs to break down and buy a winch. I don’t know anyone that goes off roading without a winch.
Hi, I really enjoy the channel and great idea in building yourselves a path out. A lot of people say winch and lockers, and those do help tremendously so im not knocking them, but in the meantime until those become a reality you have what you have. Something you could have done since the rocks were sliding is dig a hole and bury your spare tire so that you have something to anchor to. I have done this many times and the jack will fail before the tire drags. Just be sure to also dig a channel for your tow rope/cable so the force is being pulled into the dirt instead of up out of the hole.
Yeah, I think both winch or lockers would have made everything smoother. 100%. But, like you say, we gotta work with what we've got. 😜 It think burying the tire would have been a lot of work and we still were not sure if the high lift would hold the Landy, so that's why we decided for the road builder approach 😆
Has we English do .Stop and have a cup of tea. Things will be a lot clearer after.
Full belly, full soul, do work wonders 😎
If your not getting stuck once’s in awhile your not truly exploring the true out back of the country’s you are over landing in . Great team work you all . Love that you truly exsplore the wonderful countryside’s of the places you travel to . Don’t fill bad I have done the same thing only I broke my rig also . Just part of the fun of over landing 🤣. ( But only when you look back on it ) Another great video again thanks for sharing your wonderful journey with us all your over landing friends . Cheers from Steve Stott in Sutherlin Oregon :) :) :) 🍻👍🏼😁🌎…P.S. GREAT RECOVERY YOU ALL WELL DONE .
Haha so true! At least for us.🙈 When you start getting remote and the paths are not usually driven, then the adventure starts 😅 glad we didn't brake anything major in our case. It was thanks to the great team work that we were out 🙌🙌 thank you Steve for sharing your experience! Greetings from Bolivia!
@@Thebluelandy 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼😁😁😁🍻🍻🍻
geile sperre vorn lol
What I was surprised about was HOW LONG it took to realise that the Rear Diff was BLOCKED by a large rock .
And then you kept trying to go FORWARDS , digging the Car ever Deeper . Rule number ONE in a Bogged situation ?
TRY TO REVERSE OUT of it , back to where you actually HAD some traction . Once out , reassess your Line/Route .
I mean , seriously the Car was Pointing Uphill . Backwards was smarter just ANYWAY . And YES , carry and Use chains .
Having a Front Winch may well have Damaged the Car rather badly .
All that said , WELL DONE .
Hey John, you are Right. The problem with going backwards was that without building a huge platform that would hold the hole weight of the car there was no where we could have went. That’s why we tried it forwards knowing that it would be difficult going uphill.
I the end we had to build the platform anyway, to get out. I always try first measures that are less invasive. But sometimes it’s the only way.
Thanks for watching,
Well done !
I think your sand boards are too slippery. Lighter plastic boards with more grip could have been more efficient.
But anyway, you did well !
Somebody wrote the same about our Sandboards. We don't have the feeling they are more slippery than others. We never liked the plastic ones and ours allows us to build bridges in case of need. The problem in this case is that we were super tilted and the left side had no load. The springs were completely extended! So even with more grip that was not the way to go. That's why we tried locking them with straps. Which also didn't work as intended 😭
One good and tiring experience but you need the winch back on blue Landy
Absolutely exhausting!! We had muscle ache for a while 🙈 no budget for a winch(+bumper) at the moment.😅
I have watched this through a few times. Been in the O' STUCK a few times also. (me Td5 90 farm and hill work in Scotland....very similar scenery....and problems....).....may i suggest a few things
cross slopes are a complete pain....best to get out and walk the route for thirty minutes than spend three hours digging yourself out.
to carry.....two high lift jacks, some 5 tonne slings, shackles, two 5 tonne hand comealongs (tirfors), a spade for digging and a ground anchor.....with these you could have pulled your back end back up....ooh err misses!...(British joke!)...and likely got out backing up the hill......winch....not needed too heavy mostly never used.....these will still be cheaper than a winch!....i am not a fan of winches.
difflocks are a great help (i don't have them fitted but seen them in action....V handy!)
tyre choice.....i use Michelin 7.50 x 16 XZL on my Td5 90....used for farm work in sunny Scotland.....where it rains occasionally...usually about 340 days out of 365.......i swear by these XZL tyres.....not great on wet roads....but a farm defender is meant for towing and X country work........heathery hill , mud, snow and wet grass.....XZLs they are standard fit for Brit army landrovers.....says it all really....
keep posting the vids....really enjoy them.....:)
Thanks for the great trips, and I believe this gear is great in a Farm truck of for a weekend off-roading.
I would probably need to unload my brother and half of our livelihood to fit it all in the car 😂. I don’t need to tell you how small a Defender is on the inside 😂.
Diff looks and a new set of tires are tempting. And as soon as I break a diff I’ll get a locker
Winde und Erdanker hätte geholfen ! Dann reicht auch die Seillänge und der Zugpunkt ist dort wo man ihn braucht ,statt parallel zum Graben .
Ich wüsste nicht wo ich einen erdanker unterbringen sollte. Wenn man 2 Jahre unterwegs ist in einem so kleinen Auto ist jeder Platz wertvoll. Und dann brauch man ihn auf der ganzen Reise nur einmal. Da hätte ich auch Schneeketten mitnehmen müssen. Aber ohne Platz muss man halt Kompromisse machen und es ich denke nach 85k km auf vier Kontinenten, können wir sagen es geht auch ohne.
@@Thebluelandy
Ist nur ein Tip ,was ihr damit macht ist eure Entscheidung ,aber die Winde hängt vorne außen ,die dürfte kaum stören .Früher hatten die Landrover Winden ab Werk eingebaut ,direkt vom Verbrennungsmotor angetrieben ,das war solide Ausrüstung .So einen Erdanker kann man auch improvisieren ,mit einem massiven Erdnagel oder Arbeitsintensiv mit dem Reserverad .Auf jeden Fall viel Glück auf eure weiteren Reise und gutes gelingen !✌👍
Danke!
Ja ich hab so ein bisschen das Problem das ich es vor mir selbst kaum rechtfertigen kann noch große Modifikationen zu machen nach dem wir so eine Tour gemacht haben und es eigentlich gut funktioniert hat 😅.
Klar Winde sieht gut aus und kann nützlich sein und hat will haben Faktor. Aber so wirklich brauchen weiß ich nicht 😂
@@Thebluelandy
Wie gesagt ,deine Entscheidung wie du dich ausrüstest ! Meine Philosophie ist lieber Winde dran und nicht brauchen ,als dringend brauchen und nicht haben .Es hat sich schon mancher am Strand fest gefahren und dann kam die Flut .Totalverlust verdirbt die Stimmung .Wenn ihr zu zweit seid reicht auch ein Ratschenseilzug und ein langes Seil .Einer im Auto ,der andere bedient den Seilzug !? Aber wie gesagt ,deine Entscheidung ,man kann auch Problemsituationen durch gute Planung vermeiden !👍
Great teamwork, kudos to all.
Doing some solo offroading myself, I admire your stamina.
Regarding a winch: I have none because I feel it could sometimes be enticing to take some unnecessary risks which I probably wouldn't take if I knew that I have no winch ;)
Am I making sense to you? If not, I'll rephrase in German.
Thank you! Team work for the win 💪 yes, with the winch you might get into tricky situations more often 😅 no idea what we would get us into if we had one 😳
Also your recovery boards seem to be too slippery
We are not sure other type would be better in this situation. The main problem was that we had no load on the left side , the springs were completely expanded, so not sure if any other material would have helped. We like these boards and have helped many times in the trip. The only downside is after using them one needs to straighten them again 🙈
i reckon the beer tasted really good after that effort
Absolutely delicious 😋
Numties
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First of all, congratulations on the effort and the channel!! I know it's easier said than done, but wouldn't it have been easier to reverse first? Then with the car perpendicular to the track, move forward?
It was really dangerous to go backwards without crating a platform! We could end up easily in the channel and then no way we would de able to get out by ourselves. Because we knew this we tried first to go forward, thinking it would be easier. Haha it wasn't. We have learnt that when we have that level of inclination,making one side completely free without load, there is no way we can create grip to get out.
Becareful with the caribiner you used for the hi-lift hack (13:45), those carebiners are made for climbing, not for recovering a heavy Land Rover, you should be using a D-Shackle. Great video over all.
Yeah...we know that the carabiner doesn't hold the whole weight of our Landy, as long as the carabiner functions ok, it can be used. With the high lift and the rope you don't apply enough force to be able to break it anyway. The safest thing is to use soft shackles, but we only have two 🤷 thank for watching and commenting!
As much I love you guys I hate to criticize you but you guys didn’t need winches etc . I watched you stuck in water and I thought you learned a lesson but no. What you guys need a proper overland lessons . How to use a 4x4 car. I’m saying this because I own one and if you don’t know how to use it or if you are inexperienced when it comes to overlanding then you will forever be stuck like that. Spending all your precious time digging yourselves out and wasting your holiday. Invest in learning how to use your car and how to recover yourself please . Let me call my 9 year old son to watch this
Hey Kenny, we spend more than two years Overlanding, drove close to 90k km on four continents I think we can say we know quite a bit about Overlanding.
And yes we were stuck in many places, and we learned things in every situation. The water recovery had not much in common with this one. Sinking the car could have been avoided by walking the river first. This hill side event could have only be avoided by taking another path…. Or running chains (which stayed in Germany). Off-roading looks always easier on video than it is in real life. It’s the same here, the path was steep, tilted, and with the mix of snow and Mud extremely slippery.
We’re moving a 3-ton car without axle lockers, on all-terrain tires in remote & tricky terrain. We get stuck, and free the car ourselves to continue the journey with the tools we carry… without any damage or injuries, what comes closer to Overlanding than this?
Maybe it was not the most efficient process, we’re not in a race, we’re not on holiday, and its not wasted time if you learn something.
Instead of a heavy winch fixed to the front consider buying a strong hand winch with steel rope such as a Tirfor for occasional recoveries. It can pull from any direction and does not rely on failing batteries. It can be stowed anywhere. A simple ground anchor (plough, stake, screw or buried spare wheel) would help. Those straps would have been more use laced through the wheels as grips for the tyres.
In that case we would have no idea where to store it really. We are really at the max of our Landy in terms of what we can carry. At least in the case of the winch, this is out of the way( even though is heavy). 🤷
Another great episode, I didn’t want it to end. Great problem solving skills, teamwork and calmness under pressure. As much as the scenery is beautiful and will provide you with great memories, it’s moments like these that you’ll never forget. Great stuff.
We will never forget for sure! Haha specially when you go through all the emotions and finally you make it work. 🤟🤟🤟🤟
Great job learning on your feet. Digging always helps. But there is need to agree on a few safety rules that you must follow regardless of the length of the recovery and the desperation that comes with it. Like being under the car when the car is in gear, the driver attempting to drive while you were approaching the car on very slippery ground. Just rules to help you not turn an "exciting" recovery into a tragedy. Also, the topic on the winch could have waited 😃. No need kicking anyone when they are down.
Thank you! I understand your concern. We tried fixing the car to have a safer environment and it was not possible as all rocks were way too far or not stable. So we had to work with the car in the situation it was. Regarding the sliding while driving, it was my fault that I tried to get close to the Landy. Learnt that very moment, better wait for car to stop or take a walkie talkie. Thank you for your comment!
Sorry if I'm missing the obvious here, I fwd through most of the video. But why not reverse back and down from where you came? Instead of working against gravity??
Hey! It look seasier than it was, so I understand the question 😉 in order to go backwards safely we needed to create a platform. We knew how much work that would be so we tried everything else before haha. Why we say we had to do a platform? Without one we had the high risk of sliding more into the snow channel, and then forget about getting out by yourself. So that's why 😁
haha these timelapses and their soundtrack were so awesome! If you do not have a winch, you need road builders ;))
Thank you!! There is always a way to get to Rome! 😎
Guys you had to go backwards in first place. I hope you learned something new from this expperiance 👍
Yeah! We did many times backwards in other situations,but here in order to do it we knew we had to build some platform (without one, there was the risk of getting stuck in the channel). And we thought it was not that difficult to go forward... But we learnt, that the moment we have that level of inclination, our tires will spin and should focus on another strategy 😅
it's not necessary to keep the right lane all the time, you can drive it on the middle/center of the road when there is no other cars. These remote places are no car at all. Off course if you have a winch will cut down lots of time for the recovery the car. It's important you have the winch. Drive safe and good luck, Bro....
Hey!! We were driving on the right because it allowed us to have half the car out of the snow. It was at this part where there was no grass anymore. But we thought sticking to the right was better to avoid getting tilted too much...
Watched the whole video, Good job getting it out, I'm an experienced off roader and my advice to you is never go out without a winch and snow chains, They're life savers and worth investing in. You can get a tow hitch winch that you can use as needed. Nice video
We do have snow chains in Germany but they are too bulky to transport them around the world. In this case they would have helped tons!
I was just about to say if it wouldn't have been easier to roll the car downhill, but right then I saw you figured that out ..😅
Yeah, we thought about it in the beginning but it was more work, at least that's what we thought at first. We believed we could get traction and go forward...
Well done again the Blue Landy team, Another fantastic video, 👍 Why is Kai reluctant to have a winch ? Is it because of the extra weight ?
Thank you!! Is about the weight and the extra $$ only for a couple of times use (at least in the nearly 10 years). So it's kind of not worth it. 😅
You are Overland men, you need a winch pulling machine if necessary
Many Overlander have a winch! We don't and have driven already more than 70.000km 😜
I have those same tires. BFG K02’s. I love them. They’re great tires for most terrain, but sadly they’re terrible in mud.
They are great for most of the terrains, but mud is the cryptonite! Ours are getting close to 100.000 km 😱
you'd be better putting the sand boards under either the front or rear axle if you haven't got lockers on the axles. at the moment, you're giving traction to a wheel on each axle but the other wheels are spinning, and its taking the path of least resistance at each axle. At least if its all at the front or back you're centre dfflock is effective.
Yeah! We also tried that but it didn't work neither. We had too much spinning due to being so inclined. With a rear locker things would have been different.
There's no proper expedition without a proper getting stuck 🙂
Most probably! 😅
Hola bienvenidos Argentina, saludos desde la provincia de Entre Rios.
Gracias!!! 🙌🙌🙌
Lesson learned, I would say. When you buy a Landy you don't buy the experience...
Haha true, happy this is not our first rodeo. 😉
Hm. It took a day and a night to realize that it's easier to go downhill when you stuck uphill
To go backwards we had to create the platform, because without one you can easily end up down in the channel and then for sure you cannot get alone from there. But we thought that we might make it forward and didn't want to put the work of moving rocks for hours 🙈
Well done! Respekt! Hebekissen und 2 weitere Bleche hätten Euch sicherlich geholfen und natürlich , wie schon gesagt - Ketten. Ihr hätte mit dem roten Seil auch über den Vorderreifen rauswinchen können... Aber von der Couch aus ist man immer schlauer ;)
Hey danke für die tips, das mit dem Seil und dem Vorderrad hatte ich Amateurhaft versucht. Klar viel hilft viel, nicht nur beim Bier auch beim Berge Zeug. Aber leider muss man immer Abwegen was man alles mitnimmt. Und Platz ist halt auch iwo Komfort 😅