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I use those cooler master 170c and 171c CPU coolers all the time and they work excellent on non over clocked Intel CPU's. I think you guys got a defective unit.
Thanks for the video man. I’ll show some love to that link. Was totally hoping for the omen review but still I’ll take these all day. Kinda wanna see my dumb pc get roasted or maybe congratulated
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@@auntiepha8343 I do wounder how the cpu temps would be if you only flipped the front fans. Seems to me the rear and front fan is fighting for air, where is the air getting in?
they did show the robots like you watch some lame channel think there right , this machine is amazing its $700 canadian plays all new games maxed all his complaints were bs for loser builders not for real world like wire placement or heatsink yet runs bettre most systems he built lol
One take-away is that Cyberpower has taken previous criticism to heart and had taken steps to improve. Hopefully, they'll react to this review in the same manner they have reacted to past ones.
@@mrwannabe00 I ended up buying one expecting to replace the cooler but I didn't have to, temp rarely went above 80 and it had liquid cooling ( which wasn't advertised and wasn't in any of the photos I've seen) so I think they did address the problem. That's admirable.
Is there even one good system integrater out there (that's not a boutique)? How can you build and sell PC's all day and not eventually get it right? Every one I see on these secret shopper videos f***'s it up.
I thought it was brilliant. Daisy chaining six 54-ish watt Molex connectors together _obviously_ delivers a superior 324 watt experience. That's just good math right there.
@@GotrekGurninsson This is the clock-clicking lawyer, and what I have for you today is a prebuilt tower from cyberpower. Now the first thing I notice is the tolerances on the device seem to be quite sloppy.. _wiggles CPU cooler_ .. a lot of play in the mechanism on the core.
The big issue here is Cyberpower has horrible customer service. Dell might be terrible but if you have an issue they'll fix it. Cyberpower you will be lucky if you get someone on the phone.
It must be standard practice in their PC assembly, because my CyberPower pre-built ($1950 Gamer Supreme) also has the famed Molex Centipede hiding in the same spot.
This series is amazing. I know the upfront cost is a lot for you guys but i hope you can continue. They are both educational and highly entertaining. As the "computer guy" in my circle, I'm getting more people coming to me wanting to start PC gaming or upgrade, and these videos are helping me to learn more about the prebuilt market where my knowledge is admittedly seriously lacking. Considering this is the only reliable avenue i can recommend my friends to take, knowing more about these builders is a huge boon for me being able to give them useful info. Thank you, GN. Your commitment to quality has consistently made you my favorite tech channel across the entire platform for many years now!
That's awesome that you're in that role! Glad to help. We're trying to find good ones for the same reason -- most the people who work here also end up being the "IT person" for friends and family, so knowing what pre-built has the best chance is important.
@@GamersNexus Are you targeting the "midrange" price point specifically hoping for some gold where the majority of the market can probably afford to purchase, or do you intend to also get some higher end prebuilts in the series as well? Obviously if you pay enough you can get something amazing from any one of the boutique builders, but I'm curious if there's anybody (cough dellalienware cough) whose making PCs that suck this bad which cost over say $2000-3000. Because if there's someone doing that, that's honestly far worse IMO. Dell did make a blower style 2080ti after all (timmy joe reviewed it, it was a fucking disasterpiece).
I bought my first desktop computer about 8 years ago from Cyberpower's Z77 configurator and looking back now the quality was surprisingly pretty good, disregarding some slightly sloppy cable management, although the fact that I highly customized the build may have helped. I'm still using it to this day with some upgrades and love it as much as when I first got it to the point that I'm trying to come up with reasons to still use it after I finish my new build.
Hey GamerNexus, what is your opinion on the trend on Side intakes vs front intakes? Have you guys done a video comparing a bunch of different types of cases with side intakes and front intakes? I'm running some CFD simulations for my next video, but I wanna know if you have any empirical results.
yo cs ghost animation nice to see you in here! i don’t think they have analyzed that topic but considering the trend of side intakes (my pc o11 dynamic has them) i think it would be a really interesting and important video to make. didn’t know you were interested in hardware and btw i love your stuff!
I did see that LTT did a video at some point where they left 3 pcs running for three years to see the amount of dust that would settle. You can try watching that and it might help
"Part selection isn't hard to fix.. if they decide they want to build something that doesn't suck." I swear, some of the most fantastic burns just slip out of our dear Tech Jesus' mouth with little to no effort.
I find it hilarious that you had to include Dell G5 benchmarks both with and without bloatware, it made such a huge difference! love seeing you rant about stuff steve, this is what i subscribe for
I think what's more disturbing is that there's a bigger difference in some benchmarks still between the dell even without the bloatware, like debloatwareifying it only took it from 40% to 60% of it's true potential, and the Cyberpower is up at 85-90% of it's potential, where it could hit 100% with just a second stick of ram and an actual cooler (Because any cooler that doesn't keep a CPUcool is just a really big heat spreader).
Good teardown. I bought a Cyberpower PC a year ago and honestly the build is immaculate. I have built my own PCs for the last 15 years but with the GPU supply issue I could not build a new system for anywhere near what Cyberpower was advertising. I bought a rather high end machine and I'm very happy with it. Performance is top notch and under regular market circumstances, same parts had I built it myself I would have saved $300. Maybe I lucked out but Cyberpower shipped a solid system to me.
“After seeing that i need some... some alcohol, so we’re going to pour some out...” My mind: For the homies because this thermal solution is so terrible 13:00
I initially wanted to build a PC from scratch, but then decided to go with a prebuilt due to the ridiculous GPU situation we're in. I got one off Cyberpower and I've just been checking through to compile a list of common issues with their prebuilts. While I'm definitely willing to learn how to fix up parts and get things up and running, I know for sure most people are just here to grab a pc and go.
Hey GN, your video was extremely helpful. I just picked up one of these Cyberpowerpc's from a dude on Offerup for $600 open box never used with the Asus Prime B550-Plus/Ryzen 5600G/Radeon RX6600. Before turning it on for the first time, I removed the stock heatsink/fan it was exactly like you said, couldn't believe my eyes. I picked up a Cooler Master Hyper 212 ($50), 2x16 Thermaltake ToughRam ($240) and an GameMax 800w PSU ($50) that I recently bought for an old Dell that this PC this is replacing I think I'll be pretty happy with this thing for under a grand. Appreciate your help, salute!!
If u want to see the true nature of pre built scams going on , just google prebuilt PC and see for yourself! As I've been saying since the pandemic started " Why let a good pandemic get in the way of profit ?"
I saw a dell optiplex being marketed at budget gamers, only problem was it was gen 3 i5, no GPU. I swear they are making about $200-$250 off of the system they were selling, only reason it wasn't more was because of the monitor included in the system.
@@ntb3884 this wasnt sold by dell. It was an old Optiplex that they got for like $50 out of a school or office, cleaned it up and bundled it with some shitty mouse and keyboard and a no name Chinese monitort for $400
"Better than Dell" is a phrase that will one day unite humanity. Literally applies to everyone in every circumstance, and is so obvious that everyone can see it, even Dell.
Just a quick comment for anyone that wants to know. I bought this machine and kept getting stupid hot. So I installed a cooler master aio cooler in the top and ditched the cheap one they had already installed. I reversed the fan flow on the side to bring fresh air into the case and ditched the magnetic “dust screens” thanks to a video on Jays two Cents. Temps were better but I use a thermal camera and noticed very little change I got really brave the other day and took the front panel off and dropped temp under load by 8 C. With the front on temps were between 70-75 c on the gpu and 35-40 c on cpu after the modification of my rig it now sits at a comfortable 60-70 C and cpu is now between 29 C and 40 C. So for now the glass is out dust cover out and I stuck the smaller dust cover on the front panel until I get new fans or a whole new case. I hope this helps anyone else with their Pc adventures. Stay frosty friends.
I second that. I‘ll put it on my prebuilt from msi as soon as it arrives. I get it tax deducted from my employer, so it is 30 per cent cheaper, reducing the impact of the huge margin msi takes for its prebuilts. But I already assume some things will suck even after I configured it new. But 2 TB SSD, 2 TB HDD, RTX 3080, 32 GB RAM is very expensive at the moment, so I‘ll suck up the insane RGB-solution and the fact I‘ll get the garbage 11900k instead of the 10900k from the equivalent system of last year, where they shipped it with the 2080 that is unusable for actual raytracing in modern titles.
Let's face it, they didn't need to do that test. You could see plainly from the layer of uncompressed paste left on the CPU that there was no actual mounting pressure to speak of.
total noob that bought a cyberpowerpc (3070, 10700F) and it took me months to realize that it was in fact, HEAVILY overheating. Throttling a solid 1GHz off of peak performance. Watched this video yesterday and immediately went to Microcenter to buy a new cooler. Threw a Noctua in there last night and the temps dropped significantly and the peak performance jumped from 3.7GHz to 4.8GHz. Thanks for this video!!!
So, the takeaway is this-swap the CPU cooler, maybe with a water cooler and rotate the front fans so that they blow out instead of in. The rest of the computer is pretty good and does everything you could _want_ with a pre-built gaming PC. Which means it's better than 90% of the "gaming PCs" out there.
Cyberpower did a real nice job assembling my siblings PC 10'ish years ago, even had a box with all the spare components from the parts they selected. A few years later, when mine arrived, at least two internal parts were not plugged in, including the power going to the motherboard, and the building crew seemed to have shorted me all my spare components >_>. To their credit, they upgraded me to a better PSU when their stock came up short to make the Christmas delivery deadline, and that PSU is the only original part in this PC outside beside the case itself. That was still better service than the company that diagnosed the PC (dead motherboard apparently) years later, and decided to ignore me when I told them not to touch the Raid because I could fix it just by plugging the two drives back into the raid control card. Somehow, they replaced my legitimate copy of Windows on the boot drive with a pirated copy loaded with no less than 6 viruses (thank you, MBAM for fixing that.) , despite the legitimate CD key being stuck right onto the side panel! They also decided I would never want to change my HDD/SSDs out and used some kind of glue that had to be carefully chiseled off the cables.
I bought a cyberpower PC with a 3060 ti and an i7-11700f. Came with a b550 board and 16 gigs of 3000 mhz ram (2 sticks). I had to turn 2 fans from exhaust to intake, and swap the cooler, but it works pretty damn well. Not too disappointed with my purchase.
I bought a Cyberpower back in 2015, it worked out of the box. I didn't expect a lot out of it, since I had a limited budget, and learned a lot through upgrading it. Now all that's left of it is the HDD that I'm using only for non program storage, such as word files and PDFs, but it definitely served as a starting point. One thing they've always done right is using standard parts, though clearly they've had some lapses in assembly attention to detail over the years.
I am still using the PC I got from them 6 years ago for 900$ to stream Tarkov. Did have to change ram and add SSD but other then that everything else is stock.
I got a $700 rig from them back in 2018 and it served me pretty well with only a small radeon driver issue out of box. It's mostly upgraded parts now but it was a good starting point.
@@truereaper4572 a drive issue has nothing to do with CyberPower, that is a issue with Radeon. When a computer is built the drivers that were created at that point in time are installed. They cant update every computer they built each time a update is rolled out.
@@solofourohsixgaming No the problem was they were installed wrong initially and couldn't update properly, so I had to do a complete driver wipe and clean install. Wasn't hard to do though.
I've always known that attention to detail is put into these videos. But holly hell, the moment I realized that the blue vertical bars in the graphs are timed to the duration of the slide, my mind was blown. Keep it up!
What I'd really like to see is an interview with whoever made the decisions about including what components and how they get attached. I build my own boxes but I understand there are sometimes esoteric quirks of how people decide what to buy that make them pay for the most short-cuttiest box they can find.
I bought a custom built Cyberpower pc delivered in January and at this point I am happy with it. I knew I _could_ build my own, but it's been a couple years and I didn't want to fight scalpers every week, so I just went with this. I spent hours researching all the components and used GN guides to pick out the Phanteks P400A and half decent AIO so my stock temps are pretty good. However, the customer experience was *awful*. The stock RGB was wired weirdly (I basically redid the cable management myself after that) and they forgot the Wifi/Bluetooth card - I'm hoping that script they run now would have caught that. It took hours on hold multiple times to get it because it took a week to ship the M.2 card and they forgot the stupid antennas for it! They eventually sent the worlds cheapest antennas a week later, but by then I had gotten fed up and bought decent ones for $10 on amazon. I hate Cyperpower as a company because everything took 5x as long as it should have, from ordering, to shipping, to customer support, but I do love the computer I have now.
My first gaming PC I bought as a kid with all my savings about 15 years ago was from Cyberpower. I selected the option they had for "extra fans" because I figured I'd want the maximum amount. They put them in the box and didn't install them in the case...
I'm honestly not surprised, I recently built my own computer a few days ago with all selected parts and no assembly from a company but even doing it all myself something was still not as advertised and it was the case fans ironically, it showed front intake fans which were absolutely there but it also has venting at the top which showed fans but *apparently* despite being in the picture and not stating otherwise those fans are optional and needed to be bought and installed myself...not a huge deal just kind of misleading if you ask me but at least I didn't order some expecting them to be installed for me that would have been worse imo.
Have watched a few of your reviews and enjoy the honesty, clarity and humor. If a movie is made about the comedic talents of John Belushi, you deserve the part. To laugh out loud at a review of a prebuilt is testament to your ability to make one laugh. Looking forward to more reviews as I am in the market for one...leaning toward Build Redux around $2K. Will you be doing slightly higher cost units...hope so.
Almost 4 years ago I bought a Cyberpower PC on sale. It was a pretty good deal for the system but it needed a lot of work. I upgraded the majority of the parts in the computer. I replaced the CPU cooler with a 240MM AIO from NZXT, upgraded the case fans to Be-quiet silent wings, replaced the PSU with a 750W platinum EVGA unit, upgraded the boot drive to a 500GB 960 Pro, replaced the founders edition 1070 with an aftermarket 1080, and had the 7700K delidded by Silicon lottery so that it could run at reasonable temperatures with a mild overclock. That was a very fun project but the PC should not require that much work to be good.
That case looks like a fishtank. Also what's with these SI's using CPU coolers that are objectively _worse_ than the intel stock cooler? How on earth do you even _find_ a CPU cooler worse than the intel stock cooler?
I'm looking forward to the iBuypower video. The first PC I ever owned was from iBuypower. The case sucked and had bad airflow, the ram was from some random no-name company, and the PSU looked like a knock-off of a knock-off, but at the end of the day I had a blast on my GTX 970.
@@JCrook1028 It was my first PC and I was... 18 or 19 at the time. I chose those parts knowing they weren't the best available but they kept the cost down and the rig worked. I was pretty happy with it for years until I learned more about parts.
I ended up getting a Cyberpowerpc... Checked everything when I got it and was pretty good... it was priced nicely and I got a 3070 with a 10700k w/liquid cooler. 16gb ram (2sticks) with 850w psu. Tests well and runs at good temps. Under 1500 bucks for black Friday at the beginning of the GPU insanity. Happy so far though.
I have this system. The case is a genuine Lian Li but custom made for Cyberpower. They call it the Lian Li PC-008 Dynamic. So the case build quality is very high for a system integrator, far better than the generic / no-name plastic-y case you often see in inexpensive prebuilds. As far as the build goes, flip the side fans to intake, replace the cooler with a $30 Vetroo V5 or equivalent and it's just fine. Needs dual channel RAM as well (add a second 8gb stick). Wish Cyberpower had shipped it with a Z-series motherboard so it could use XMP on the RAM and overclock the K-series CPU., but that would have increased cost because it'd require a beter cooler or an AIO as well. Also: the GTX1660 Super in mine was a single-fan Gigabyte ITX model, not the dual-fan MSI shown in this video.
That pc is actually almost really good. Another ram stick and a new cpu cooler and it's actually a pretty good deal. I recently bought a similar parts list for $900, only a little better in every area and my own old 1660 TI.
Why couldn't they set the fans as intake, get a better cpu cooler and a second dimm of ram? Holy shit they really don't care about their products, do they? They literally could do that for 50 dollars in total, while getting maaaaany less rma's for fried components
"How can you make the air outside want to go into the fan just because it blows into the computer? Then there's nothing there on the outside, no force!"
My PC is DIY and I loved whole process! Researching/picking the parts, building it, realizing there’s bottlenecks, buying more parts, realizing I bought the wrong size AIO so my ram doesn’t fit, using the old slower ram from the prebuilt I had making another bottleneck. So much fun!!
Every PC I've ever owned has been DIY. But since a $700 3080 is selling everywhere for $1,500+ and up to $1,900 for some models, my next PC will likely be one from a company like Origin or Ironside. Not a mass pre-build but a pre-assembled.
@@brandonjohnson4121 yeah. I broke and got 3060ti of a scalper. Next time I need to upgrade I’ll probably do the same thing. But between that and my PS5 I’ll be good for at least 5-7 years.
@@ilikefartjokes AMD, Nvidia, and Intel(who is now making Arc GPUs that will sell soon) have all said there should be a slight ease on supply by end of 2022 and should be significantly better by 2023. By your next upgrade you'll be fine. But I'm running an old 1080 and 3600x, and my wife is without a PC entirely. So I'm going to get one with a 3080 and 5800x and give her mine.
@@brandonjohnson4121 the 1080 is still pretty solid though isn’t it? I upgraded from a 1660ti which is damn good 1080p card. My cpu is i7 9700k with 16gb ram
@@ilikefartjokes It's about 50% as good as a 3080 in regular performance, has no ray tracing capabilities at all, no DLSS, less memory so is struggling to keep up with 1440p, etc. If you were only doing 1080p 60hz and didn't care about RT or DLSS, it's way more than enough in every game. If you're at 1440p 144hz and want RT and DLSS, like me, it's not even close to enough for new games. Many games struggle at 1440p 60fps with no RT abilities.
Really digging these Pre-Built PC reviews! Great for anyone newer to gaming PCs and helpful when deciding what to recommend friends/family who might not be comfortable with building their own computer.
Yeah, it's fine, but like he says, it's better to plug them into the mobo, so you can set their speed in software, and probably reduce the noise a bit more.
Out of all the major "tech" UA-camrs today, not only is this where the adults tend to linger, but Steve is an inspiration. I can tell he doesn't sell out too hard & I respect his opinions more than any other tech UA-camr. You will not find bright colors, Overly Enthusiastic monologue, or any form of fortnite jokes on this channel & I fricken love it. I'm learning more on this channel than any others. Mad respect for Steve he going places!
@@rawb22 Same performance, but with a centipede there is likely no fan speed control and it's a pain because plugging the molex connectors together can be tricky sometimes. It's not bad (since it does actually work) but it's not as functionally good as individual fan connections to motherboard.
I'm now becoming livid when I see a pre-built with one stick of RAM. Why the hell can't these companies understand that they need to have dual channel memory in a gaming PC?!
at least in cyber powers defense you can just hit customise and edit and for 40 extra bucks currently it changes to 2x8 instead of 1x8. I venture cyber power is really just maxing profits on the pre built option that you don't edit it as you can get some pretty good deals all things consdering the current market
It depends on the mobo, if the mobo is only 2 slots, a single stick is fine so you have room to upgrade, better 1x8 than 2x4 in that case. If we talk about 4 slot mobos then I agree with you.
@@MiGujack3 I'm not convinced by that argument. It's not like buying 2 x 8 GB of RAM is very expensive. Presumably most people who buy a pre-build system with 8 GB of RAM are not going to upgrade, so they are stuck with a slower system. And those people that do upgrade after a year would have been better off selecting 2 x 8 GB because of the small price difference. With two 4 GB sticks and only two memory slots, worst case scenario at some point in the future you have to buy two 8 GB sticks instead of one 8 GB stick, which is a price difference of 40 dollar. But you can sell the two 4 GB stick, or use them in a different system. Let's say that you saved 20 bucks. That's a minor saving and not worth the performance loss before you bought more RAM. Not when the system costs 1,000 dollar.
Molex centipede! That cracked me up! I remember the days of having to do that because all of my fans were molex. I thought those days were behind us. Guess not!
I would've really liked to see the thermal results with just the fans turned around. It would've been nice to know if you could have improved thermal results without actually spending extra money.
I remember visiting my younger cousin few years ago, he bought a pre built, you could probably fry eggs on the tempered glass front panel that had 3 fans behind it, that’s how hot it was. It was stuffed into that narrow desk PC space. I personally picked a cheap 30€ case of older design when I built mine, made sure the front had a good mesh on it, put it into a push pull configuration. The Benefits of building yourself, but I can’t blame him or other regular folk for not doing so, researching/troubleshooting is very time consuming and requires to build up atleast a basic component understanding. And without someone to guide them on the path it’s really hard to conceptualise where to start on your own.
from someone who doesn't have much choice outside prebuilt. thank you for these reviews and understanding why building your own pc can be better and what areas those are.
I have bought 2 cyberpower pcs before the prices of everything shot through the roof. They were actually pretty decent for the price. I will say that the thermals seem to be an afterthought on them. They are ok for standard use but much more than a couple minutes of heavy load they start to get quite unhappy. I just swapped cpu coolers and added 2 fans and they have done much better.
Great video! I actually bought this computer back on December 2020 and I was unaware of the cpu cooler (already flipped the fans). The price has been skewed from when I bought it from best buy at $779 back then....just some food for thought. Which I thought was a decent value at the time since components were hard to come by in my price range.
I bought from them on their online store a year and a half ago - I agree with it being a platform. I’ve since upgraded the CPU, added fans to mine with a fan hub from Phanteks (who made the case), and added a slew of SSD’s. I’m debating replacing the case because it’s the mini itx Phanteks Evolv Shift and the airflow isn’t great
The fans only had double Molex connectors on them, no 3-pin pigtail? Because you could buy fan distributors going all the way back. Not all of them were nice, like, the Akasa one tends to become a cobweb inside the PC, but better than a MOLEX centipede.
18:16 you know someone at Cyberpower saw these test on their end when this PC was being design and said "F%^& it, ship it" that is why you never ever buy prebuilt because the people making them do not really.
I've been waiting for this one, since I'm pretty sure it's the same one I have, bought it late last year, but for $850. Wanted to have a good idea of what to check, for this model :) Thanks so much Gamers Nexus! Now to watch.
Hi. I own this computer. When I saw this video, I downloaded blender benchmark and gave it a try for my CPU. The average temperature was around 60 to 70 degrees Celsius and the highest they went was 86.5 degrees Celsius compared to the recorded 98 degrees Celsius. I bought this computer in October 2022 from best buy. In conclusion, they must have seen this video and improved on the thermals of the CPU.
@@catriona_drummond Is it? How much time is spent getting the connectors off the fans so they can jam the wires in? Or do they get custom fans than have no fan connector?
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Hi Daddy Steve
I use those cooler master 170c and 171c CPU coolers all the time and they work excellent on non over clocked Intel CPU's.
I think you guys got a defective unit.
Thanks for the video man. I’ll show some love to that link. Was totally hoping for the omen review but still I’ll take these all day. Kinda wanna see my dumb pc get roasted or maybe congratulated
@@auntiepha8343 I do wounder how the cpu temps would be if you only flipped the front fans.
Seems to me the rear and front fan is fighting for air, where is the air getting in?
Friend got a good one on newegg. asus Tuf 3070 with an I7 10700F. was in a TUF case too.
“Almost doesn’t suck” sounds like a high bar to reach for most prebuilts
"Almost doesn't suck" is the GN equivalent of LPL taking more than 15 seconds and a toothpick to get into a lock.
@@aethertech so pretty good?
low bar to reach for hookers
@@aethertech ... More like 10 seconds...
He didn't order a fuckijg liquid cooler and he shits on the entire build at that point
"OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS!" love your vids.
Love seeing old memes!
I came to post this. Glad to see someone had.
I don't get it.
With prebuilts, they keep finding the thermals IN the box, where they aren't wanted.
it's crazy that "almost didnt suck" is actually somewhat of a good review
Cyberpower is like "Yeah, we did it guys!" while high fiving each other.
Ehhhhhhhhhhh...
$5 more on the BoM and this thing wouldn't suck.
I agree
17:02 Cyberpower: "We would have gotten away with it, if it weren't for that meddling Steve"
And their cat too!
@@knm080xg12r6j991jhgt CEO Snowflake: Cat? Where?
Old Man B460M pro4?! Jinkies
Damn it. I wanted to write the same thing now XD
they did show the robots like you watch some lame channel think there right , this machine is amazing its $700 canadian plays all new games maxed all his complaints were bs for loser builders not for real world like wire placement or heatsink yet runs bettre most systems he built lol
One take-away is that Cyberpower has taken previous criticism to heart and had taken steps to improve. Hopefully, they'll react to this review in the same manner they have reacted to past ones.
@@CajunReaper95 Did yours have the cooling problem?
@@jessefisher1809 mine did and returned it and got a PC from NZXT and works fine
@@mrwannabe00 I ended up buying one expecting to replace the cooler but I didn't have to, temp rarely went above 80 and it had liquid cooling ( which wasn't advertised and wasn't in any of the photos I've seen) so I think they did address the problem. That's admirable.
@@jessefisher1809 mmk, hope the PC lasts a long time
@@mrwannabe00cyberpower has gotten a lot better from what I've seen comparing this video to my current pre-built by them
Steve: This prebuilt is not complete garbage.
Cyberpower: High fives y'all!
It's like the lock picking lawyer saying it's slightly better then master lock.
Facts
Is there even one good system integrater out there (that's not a boutique)? How can you build and sell PC's all day and not eventually get it right? Every one I see on these secret shopper videos f***'s it up.
I thought it was brilliant.
Daisy chaining six 54-ish watt Molex connectors together _obviously_ delivers a superior 324 watt experience.
That's just good math right there.
@@GotrekGurninsson This is the clock-clicking lawyer, and what I have for you today is a prebuilt tower from cyberpower. Now the first thing I notice is the tolerances on the device seem to be quite sloppy.. _wiggles CPU cooler_ .. a lot of play in the mechanism on the core.
The greatest award out there: "IT'S BETTER THAN DELL!"
The big issue here is Cyberpower has horrible customer service. Dell might be terrible but if you have an issue they'll fix it. Cyberpower you will be lucky if you get someone on the phone.
It's not hard to be better then a company that invents new ways to lower the bar
The participation trophy of the PC world
I would say participation trophies are harder to get
@@jokersinurface dells customer service is terrible too. Don’t kid yourself
The Editor needs a raise for the "IT'S BETTER THAN DELL"
I actually laughed out loud
EDIT: 29:10
Same haha!
I think everything should be graded on the Dell scale (Dell being 1.0) - I'd give this at least 1.4 Dells
Where is that? Mostly just listened..
@@notthedroidsyourelookingfo4026 29:10
“Well, at least it’s not a Dell” - epitomizes just how low Dell has set the bar.
It must be standard practice in their PC assembly, because my CyberPower pre-built ($1950 Gamer Supreme) also has the famed Molex Centipede hiding in the same spot.
Next week on Pre-Built Nightmares: Gordan Ramsey is served microwaved Mosfet from a can!
*Gordon Ramsay
@@letcreate123 We know what he's talking about, no need to correct them. Jeez...
@The Omnissiah LMAO
@@ix.cryo1 *Jesus
:^)
@@smith7602
jeez
/jēz/
INFORMAL
a mild expression used to show surprise or annoyance.
This series is amazing. I know the upfront cost is a lot for you guys but i hope you can continue. They are both educational and highly entertaining. As the "computer guy" in my circle, I'm getting more people coming to me wanting to start PC gaming or upgrade, and these videos are helping me to learn more about the prebuilt market where my knowledge is admittedly seriously lacking.
Considering this is the only reliable avenue i can recommend my friends to take, knowing more about these builders is a huge boon for me being able to give them useful info. Thank you, GN. Your commitment to quality has consistently made you my favorite tech channel across the entire platform for many years now!
That's awesome that you're in that role! Glad to help. We're trying to find good ones for the same reason -- most the people who work here also end up being the "IT person" for friends and family, so knowing what pre-built has the best chance is important.
@@GamersNexus Are you targeting the "midrange" price point specifically hoping for some gold where the majority of the market can probably afford to purchase, or do you intend to also get some higher end prebuilts in the series as well? Obviously if you pay enough you can get something amazing from any one of the boutique builders, but I'm curious if there's anybody (cough dellalienware cough) whose making PCs that suck this bad which cost over say $2000-3000. Because if there's someone doing that, that's honestly far worse IMO. Dell did make a blower style 2080ti after all (timmy joe reviewed it, it was a fucking disasterpiece).
@@TheOriginalFaxon i would like then to do a legion video. I feel like they are decent prebuilts for an SI, but i want hard science
@@andresacosta5318 you mean OEM, which is much more impressive since OEMs usually suck ass
You know what prebuilt nightmares is actually a great name for this series
Or 'Prebuilt Hell'
@@fishyc43sar Hells prebuilts
I bought my first desktop computer about 8 years ago from Cyberpower's Z77 configurator and looking back now the quality was surprisingly pretty good, disregarding some slightly sloppy cable management, although the fact that I highly customized the build may have helped. I'm still using it to this day with some upgrades and love it as much as when I first got it to the point that I'm trying to come up with reasons to still use it after I finish my new build.
Hey GamerNexus, what is your opinion on the trend on Side intakes vs front intakes? Have you guys done a video comparing a bunch of different types of cases with side intakes and front intakes? I'm running some CFD simulations for my next video, but I wanna know if you have any empirical results.
yo cs ghost animation nice to see you in here! i don’t think they have analyzed that topic but considering the trend of side intakes (my pc o11 dynamic has them) i think it would be a really interesting and important video to make. didn’t know you were interested in hardware and btw i love your stuff!
I did see that LTT did a video at some point where they left 3 pcs running for three years to see the amount of dust that would settle. You can try watching that and it might help
"It's better than Dell" is like saying a kick in the balls is better than crushing them in a vice.
😂
Lol, and yes, it's probably better.
I have a windows 98 Fujitsu laptop that's better than any modern dell 😆
I wish dell gaming pcs were as good as their servers...
Imded
"Part selection isn't hard to fix.. if they decide they want to build something that doesn't suck."
I swear, some of the most fantastic burns just slip out of our dear Tech Jesus' mouth with little to no effort.
I find it hilarious that you had to include Dell G5 benchmarks both with and without bloatware, it made such a huge difference! love seeing you rant about stuff steve, this is what i subscribe for
I think what's more disturbing is that there's a bigger difference in some benchmarks still between the dell even without the bloatware, like debloatwareifying it only took it from 40% to 60% of it's true potential, and the Cyberpower is up at 85-90% of it's potential, where it could hit 100% with just a second stick of ram and an actual cooler (Because any cooler that doesn't keep a CPUcool is just a really big heat spreader).
Good teardown. I bought a Cyberpower PC a year ago and honestly the build is immaculate. I have built my own PCs for the last 15 years but with the GPU supply issue I could not build a new system for anywhere near what Cyberpower was advertising. I bought a rather high end machine and I'm very happy with it. Performance is top notch and under regular market circumstances, same parts had I built it myself I would have saved $300. Maybe I lucked out but Cyberpower shipped a solid system to me.
How does it run a year later
@@letsplaymobile3599 ive had mine for 2 years bc I couldnt build one since gpus were ridiculous to find and its working perfectly fine still!
@@EMDA91 great to hear thank you
"We're trying to splice in more positive content"
Ah yes, i see.
This is why we talked about that in the news video.
@@GamersNexus honestly I love your channel because of your no bs criticisms of the industry.
@@GamersNexus Well, "almost doesn't suck" could be considered splicing in more positive content.
There was positive content, remember, "Its better than Dell"
@@GamersNexus Keep dunking as long as they need dunked on. We get it. :D
It's kind of sad that "this SI uses parts that aren't proprietary," is actually a legitimate selling point.
Most SIs use non proprietary parts, as it's in their name as simple integrators. It's mainly OEMs that do that.
@@electrified0 isn't that system integrators
“After seeing that i need some... some alcohol, so we’re going to pour some out...”
My mind: For the homies because this thermal solution is so terrible
13:00
The Cold Ones are hot now...
I initially wanted to build a PC from scratch, but then decided to go with a prebuilt due to the ridiculous GPU situation we're in. I got one off Cyberpower and I've just been checking through to compile a list of common issues with their prebuilts. While I'm definitely willing to learn how to fix up parts and get things up and running, I know for sure most people are just here to grab a pc and go.
Hey GN, your video was extremely helpful. I just picked up one of these Cyberpowerpc's from a dude on Offerup for $600 open box never used with the Asus Prime B550-Plus/Ryzen 5600G/Radeon RX6600. Before turning it on for the first time, I removed the stock heatsink/fan it was exactly like you said, couldn't believe my eyes. I picked up a Cooler Master Hyper 212 ($50), 2x16 Thermaltake ToughRam ($240) and an GameMax 800w PSU ($50) that I recently bought for an old Dell that this PC this is replacing I think I'll be pretty happy with this thing for under a grand. Appreciate your help, salute!!
"Only a waste of half your money. The best one we've seen so far"
Oof. That's pretty embarrassing..
"Molex Centipede" lmao that's so good
i did this with my kids PC as i didn’t have any other fans. :(
@@destronger5313 just buy a cheap nzxt or phanteks fan controller they awesome and do the job for controlling fans
My brain processed it as "molexentipede"
It's fire (eventually)
Cent-I-Pad
I can't imagine the amount of pre-built scams going around due to GPU and the electronic component shortage.
Yeah anyone who wants to offload their warehouse of garbage components, can.
If u want to see the true nature of pre built scams going on , just google prebuilt PC and see for yourself! As I've been saying since the pandemic started " Why let a good pandemic get in the way of profit ?"
I saw a dell optiplex being marketed at budget gamers, only problem was it was gen 3 i5, no GPU. I swear they are making about $200-$250 off of the system they were selling, only reason it wasn't more was because of the monitor included in the system.
@@Sovek86 well.... dell is a business they probably should be making like 200-250 on a product they sell lol.
@@ntb3884 this wasnt sold by dell. It was an old Optiplex that they got for like $50 out of a school or office, cleaned it up and bundled it with some shitty mouse and keyboard and a no name Chinese monitort for $400
"Better than Dell" is a phrase that will one day unite humanity. Literally applies to everyone in every circumstance, and is so obvious that everyone can see it, even Dell.
Just a quick comment for anyone that wants to know. I bought this machine and kept getting stupid hot. So I installed a cooler master aio cooler in the top and ditched the cheap one they had already installed. I reversed the fan flow on the side to bring fresh air into the case and ditched the magnetic “dust screens” thanks to a video on Jays two Cents. Temps were better but I use a thermal camera and noticed very little change I got really brave the other day and took the front panel off and dropped temp under load by 8 C. With the front on temps were between 70-75 c on the gpu and 35-40 c on cpu after the modification of my rig it now sits at a comfortable 60-70 C and cpu is now between 29 C and 40 C. So for now the glass is out dust cover out and I stuck the smaller dust cover on the front panel until I get new fans or a whole new case. I hope this helps anyone else with their Pc adventures. Stay frosty friends.
13:00 "After seeing that I need some alcohol"
Steve do we need to stage an intervention?
"He's addicted to rubbing alcohol and compressed air."
"He's too far gone!"
The first step is to admit you are addicted to over applying thermal paste.
@@GamersNexus I'll only be worried when you start snorting thermal paste
I seriously expected a bottle of whiskey and shot glass to come out after that line.
@@GamersNexus Your compressed air suppliers get you the premium, un-cut stuff sans bittering agent, don't they?
You should make some "It's better than Dell!" certification stickers and put them on the store lmfao...
I will 100% put one on the front of my PC! :D
I second that ^
Im doing consulting work for Dell Technologies at the moment. I want this sticker :)
Just take that frame with the confetti and make it a sticker and I'd buy it to put on my computer😂
I second that. I‘ll put it on my prebuilt from msi as soon as it arrives. I get it tax deducted from my employer, so it is 30 per cent cheaper, reducing the impact of the huge margin msi takes for its prebuilts. But I already assume some things will suck even after I configured it new. But 2 TB SSD, 2 TB HDD, RTX 3080, 32 GB RAM is very expensive at the moment, so I‘ll suck up the insane RGB-solution and the fact I‘ll get the garbage 11900k instead of the 10900k from the equivalent system of last year, where they shipped it with the 2080 that is unusable for actual raytracing in modern titles.
That could land them into very hot waters as Dell is an actual copyrighted brand.
The depth you guys go into while doing these reviews is admirable. Loved the CPU pressure mount testing with the special tests you guys ran.
Let's face it, they didn't need to do that test. You could see plainly from the layer of uncompressed paste left on the CPU that there was no actual mounting pressure to speak of.
total noob that bought a cyberpowerpc (3070, 10700F) and it took me months to realize that it was in fact, HEAVILY overheating. Throttling a solid 1GHz off of peak performance. Watched this video yesterday and immediately went to Microcenter to buy a new cooler. Threw a Noctua in there last night and the temps dropped significantly and the peak performance jumped from 3.7GHz to 4.8GHz. Thanks for this video!!!
So, the takeaway is this-swap the CPU cooler, maybe with a water cooler and rotate the front fans so that they blow out instead of in. The rest of the computer is pretty good and does everything you could _want_ with a pre-built gaming PC.
Which means it's better than 90% of the "gaming PCs" out there.
does water cooler suck? it'll boil when its too hot and takes a while to cool down. air cooler is better because it cools down right away.
@@madisongeronimo6859 that’s not how it works
@@bee-yq3wb ok well idk. my brother shared that as his opinion on water coolers
@@madisongeronimo6859Your brother is a goober
Steve should bring in his home Bulldozer build as the thermal baseline for comparison.
I love the whole "we placed the front fans the wrong way because it looks better" design to case airflow.
“Is this like the Molex centipede?” 😂
I laughed so hard my wife wondered wtf I was watching.
I laughed out loud no lie
3 wire fans into molex plugs instead of the supplied onboard fan ports!
A cyber centipede.
@@chodicuss1889canceled Doom boss
I am really loving these pre-built reviews, they are really informative. Please keep them going!
Cyberpower did a real nice job assembling my siblings PC 10'ish years ago, even had a box with all the spare components from the parts they selected. A few years later, when mine arrived, at least two internal parts were not plugged in, including the power going to the motherboard, and the building crew seemed to have shorted me all my spare components >_>. To their credit, they upgraded me to a better PSU when their stock came up short to make the Christmas delivery deadline, and that PSU is the only original part in this PC outside beside the case itself.
That was still better service than the company that diagnosed the PC (dead motherboard apparently) years later, and decided to ignore me when I told them not to touch the Raid because I could fix it just by plugging the two drives back into the raid control card. Somehow, they replaced my legitimate copy of Windows on the boot drive with a pirated copy loaded with no less than 6 viruses (thank you, MBAM for fixing that.) , despite the legitimate CD key being stuck right onto the side panel! They also decided I would never want to change my HDD/SSDs out and used some kind of glue that had to be carefully chiseled off the cables.
17:45 Eye of Sauron by Cooler Master™
Prebuilt Nightmares is actually a good name for his prebuild PCs reviews.
I bought a cyberpower PC with a 3060 ti and an i7-11700f. Came with a b550 board and 16 gigs of 3000 mhz ram (2 sticks). I had to turn 2 fans from exhaust to intake, and swap the cooler, but it works pretty damn well. Not too disappointed with my purchase.
Amazon just shipped my 3060 build by them, upgrading from a 1660ti I’m very excited. Ordered a cooler master hyper 212 to swap the cooler out with.
Why did you swap the exhaust fan into intake ??
@@OGkush69x all the fans came as exhausts, I had to swap 2 out of the 3 fans to intake fans
@@riteshpoddar4189 oh i see now. My cyber pc has them in the front set up as intakes.
I bought a Cyberpower back in 2015, it worked out of the box. I didn't expect a lot out of it, since I had a limited budget, and learned a lot through upgrading it. Now all that's left of it is the HDD that I'm using only for non program storage, such as word files and PDFs, but it definitely served as a starting point. One thing they've always done right is using standard parts, though clearly they've had some lapses in assembly attention to detail over the years.
I am still using the PC I got from them 6 years ago for 900$ to stream Tarkov. Did have to change ram and add SSD but other then that everything else is stock.
I got a $700 rig from them back in 2018 and it served me pretty well with only a small radeon driver issue out of box. It's mostly upgraded parts now but it was a good starting point.
@@truereaper4572 a drive issue has nothing to do with CyberPower, that is a issue with Radeon. When a computer is built the drivers that were created at that point in time are installed. They cant update every computer they built each time a update is rolled out.
@@solofourohsixgaming No the problem was they were installed wrong initially and couldn't update properly, so I had to do a complete driver wipe and clean install. Wasn't hard to do though.
@@truereaper4572 my apologies. I should have asked before making assumptions.
"Not great, not terrible."
- Dyatlov seal of approval
Yes comrade
3.6 Steves
I love the "It's better than a Dell" award graphic lmfao
Timestamp please?
@@RPGX400 29:10
Steve is keeping it real. Thanks for all that you do Steve and crew.
I've always known that attention to detail is put into these videos. But holly hell, the moment I realized that the blue vertical bars in the graphs are timed to the duration of the slide, my mind was blown. Keep it up!
"Dude! You got a DELL!"
"My condolences."
I'm so jealous of this man's ability to keep me interested the whole video while giving me spec's is literally amazing.
Keep up the good work.
What I'd really like to see is an interview with whoever made the decisions about including what components and how they get attached. I build my own boxes but I understand there are sometimes esoteric quirks of how people decide what to buy that make them pay for the most short-cuttiest box they can find.
I bought a custom built Cyberpower pc delivered in January and at this point I am happy with it. I knew I _could_ build my own, but it's been a couple years and I didn't want to fight scalpers every week, so I just went with this. I spent hours researching all the components and used GN guides to pick out the Phanteks P400A and half decent AIO so my stock temps are pretty good. However, the customer experience was *awful*. The stock RGB was wired weirdly (I basically redid the cable management myself after that) and they forgot the Wifi/Bluetooth card - I'm hoping that script they run now would have caught that. It took hours on hold multiple times to get it because it took a week to ship the M.2 card and they forgot the stupid antennas for it! They eventually sent the worlds cheapest antennas a week later, but by then I had gotten fed up and bought decent ones for $10 on amazon. I hate Cyperpower as a company because everything took 5x as long as it should have, from ordering, to shipping, to customer support, but I do love the computer I have now.
My first gaming PC I bought as a kid with all my savings about 15 years ago was from Cyberpower. I selected the option they had for "extra fans" because I figured I'd want the maximum amount. They put them in the box and didn't install them in the case...
LOL
I'm honestly not surprised, I recently built my own computer a few days ago with all selected parts and no assembly from a company but even doing it all myself something was still not as advertised and it was the case fans ironically, it showed front intake fans which were absolutely there but it also has venting at the top which showed fans but *apparently* despite being in the picture and not stating otherwise those fans are optional and needed to be bought and installed myself...not a huge deal just kind of misleading if you ask me but at least I didn't order some expecting them to be installed for me that would have been worse imo.
Dell must have watched that episode of The Simpsons with the load-bearing posters on the walls holding up the house. Lol🤣
This Thermal paste is Raw!!
Guess I didn't scroll down far enough to see someone else already posted that... dang it
I like how he shows how much time we have left to look at the graph. Quality of life things that makes this channel great
Have watched a few of your reviews and enjoy the honesty, clarity and humor. If a movie is made about the comedic talents of John Belushi, you deserve the part. To laugh out loud at a review of a prebuilt is testament to your ability to make one laugh. Looking forward to more reviews as I am in the market for one...leaning toward Build Redux around $2K. Will you be doing slightly higher cost units...hope so.
Almost 4 years ago I bought a Cyberpower PC on sale. It was a pretty good deal for the system but it needed a lot of work. I upgraded the majority of the parts in the computer. I replaced the CPU cooler with a 240MM AIO from NZXT, upgraded the case fans to Be-quiet silent wings, replaced the PSU with a 750W platinum EVGA unit, upgraded the boot drive to a 500GB 960 Pro, replaced the founders edition 1070 with an aftermarket 1080, and had the 7700K delidded by Silicon lottery so that it could run at reasonable temperatures with a mild overclock. That was a very fun project but the PC should not require that much work to be good.
The thermal paste, IT'S RAW 😂
IT'S RAW, Melissa! It's fowking rawwwww!
That case looks like a fishtank. Also what's with these SI's using CPU coolers that are objectively _worse_ than the intel stock cooler? How on earth do you even _find_ a CPU cooler worse than the intel stock cooler?
the reason it's not stock is that its a K sku..no cooler included. Then they go and buy the cheapest out there!
@@OnzaRob Exactly. But given that it's a non-overclockable motherboard it shouldn't be a K. It should be like a 10400f or something.
@@drackar which is exactly the processor I used in a H470 build for my wife.
@@OnzaRob Yeah, that's how I went after I abandoned ryzen as a glitch crash experiment after a year of fucking with RMAs.
@Hannah Müller Nah. There are cheaper coolers that work better than this hunk-o-trash.
I'm looking forward to the iBuypower video. The first PC I ever owned was from iBuypower. The case sucked and had bad airflow, the ram was from some random no-name company, and the PSU looked like a knock-off of a knock-off, but at the end of the day I had a blast on my GTX 970.
Did you get your money from the class action lawsuit for the 970?
You do know all those things are changeable right? On the site. Just don't buy the offered setup - modify it.
@@JCrook1028 It was my first PC and I was... 18 or 19 at the time. I chose those parts knowing they weren't the best available but they kept the cost down and the rig worked. I was pretty happy with it for years until I learned more about parts.
I ended up getting a Cyberpowerpc... Checked everything when I got it and was pretty good... it was priced nicely and I got a 3070 with a 10700k w/liquid cooler. 16gb ram (2sticks) with 850w psu. Tests well and runs at good temps. Under 1500 bucks for black Friday at the beginning of the GPU insanity. Happy so far though.
What kind of case is yours? I bought the cyberpower pc GMA66000WST
@@wizmikey_30 The P418X Mid-Tower Gaming Case
I have this system. The case is a genuine Lian Li but custom made for Cyberpower. They call it the Lian Li PC-008 Dynamic. So the case build quality is very high for a system integrator, far better than the generic / no-name plastic-y case you often see in inexpensive prebuilds. As far as the build goes, flip the side fans to intake, replace the cooler with a $30 Vetroo V5 or equivalent and it's just fine. Needs dual channel RAM as well (add a second 8gb stick). Wish Cyberpower had shipped it with a Z-series motherboard so it could use XMP on the RAM and overclock the K-series CPU., but that would have increased cost because it'd require a beter cooler or an AIO as well. Also: the GTX1660 Super in mine was a single-fan Gigabyte ITX model, not the dual-fan MSI shown in this video.
If I were Cyberpower I would put "better than Dell" - Gamers Nexus on the product page...
That pc is actually almost really good. Another ram stick and a new cpu cooler and it's actually a pretty good deal.
I recently bought a similar parts list for $900, only a little better in every area and my own old 1660 TI.
"Hey, let's make all the fans exhaust."
"Then where does air come in?"
"I dunno..."
Why couldn't they set the fans as intake, get a better cpu cooler and a second dimm of ram? Holy shit they really don't care about their products, do they? They literally could do that for 50 dollars in total, while getting maaaaany less rma's for fried components
The air disappeared when the fire nation attacked. Duh.
It's open on top.
So, it pulls air from there, and whoosh straight out the back and front?
I guess the GPU just holds its breath.
"How can you make the air outside want to go into the fan just because it blows into the computer? Then there's nothing there on the outside, no force!"
Did he ever mention the fact that all the fans are set to exhaust? It likely has something to do with the thermal issues on the CPU
My PC is DIY and I loved whole process! Researching/picking the parts, building it, realizing there’s bottlenecks, buying more parts, realizing I bought the wrong size AIO so my ram doesn’t fit, using the old slower ram from the prebuilt I had making another bottleneck. So much fun!!
Every PC I've ever owned has been DIY. But since a $700 3080 is selling everywhere for $1,500+ and up to $1,900 for some models, my next PC will likely be one from a company like Origin or Ironside. Not a mass pre-build but a pre-assembled.
@@brandonjohnson4121 yeah. I broke and got 3060ti of a scalper. Next time I need to upgrade I’ll probably do the same thing. But between that and my PS5 I’ll be good for at least 5-7 years.
@@ilikefartjokes AMD, Nvidia, and Intel(who is now making Arc GPUs that will sell soon) have all said there should be a slight ease on supply by end of 2022 and should be significantly better by 2023. By your next upgrade you'll be fine. But I'm running an old 1080 and 3600x, and my wife is without a PC entirely. So I'm going to get one with a 3080 and 5800x and give her mine.
@@brandonjohnson4121 the 1080 is still pretty solid though isn’t it? I upgraded from a 1660ti which is damn good 1080p card. My cpu is i7 9700k with 16gb ram
@@ilikefartjokes It's about 50% as good as a 3080 in regular performance, has no ray tracing capabilities at all, no DLSS, less memory so is struggling to keep up with 1440p, etc. If you were only doing 1080p 60hz and didn't care about RT or DLSS, it's way more than enough in every game. If you're at 1440p 144hz and want RT and DLSS, like me, it's not even close to enough for new games. Many games struggle at 1440p 60fps with no RT abilities.
Really digging these Pre-Built PC reviews! Great for anyone newer to gaming PCs and helpful when deciding what to recommend friends/family who might not be comfortable with building their own computer.
Almost all of my self-builds have molex centipedes in them. I just tuck that in the back.... ;p
Yeah, it's fine, but like he says, it's better to plug them into the mobo, so you can set their speed in software, and probably reduce the noise a bit more.
"THIS THERMAL PASTE IS FUCKING RAW!" ~Steve from GN 2021
I'm surprised it doesn't get cooked or toasted.
Does this come with an emergency hammer to break the glass when thermals get too high?
My favorite part is the model is "Gamer Xtreme" Im guessing they are talking about the temps!
I lost it at 21:19 when I saw the last benchmark system as the "Dell G5 5000 Bloatware" 😂 what a legendary PoS
Out of all the major "tech" UA-camrs today, not only is this where the adults tend to linger, but Steve is an inspiration. I can tell he doesn't sell out too hard & I respect his opinions more than any other tech UA-camr. You will not find bright colors, Overly Enthusiastic monologue, or any form of fortnite jokes on this channel & I fricken love it. I'm learning more on this channel than any others. Mad respect for Steve he going places!
I have a confession to make: I have made a molex centipede before.
ive made plenty, it was perfectly acceptable before motherboard had enough fan headers and fan controllers didnt exist. you know, 20+ years ago
Haven't we all...Haven't we all
Me too :D Did it out of necessity since cables were to short many years ago.
I mean to thier credit not plugging the fan headers in makes for a cleaner look, do you get less fan performance with a centipede?
@@rawb22 Same performance, but with a centipede there is likely no fan speed control and it's a pain because plugging the molex connectors together can be tricky sometimes. It's not bad (since it does actually work) but it's not as functionally good as individual fan connections to motherboard.
I'm now becoming livid when I see a pre-built with one stick of RAM. Why the hell can't these companies understand that they need to have dual channel memory in a gaming PC?!
Dawid, is that you? 😂
I get so vexed with 1 stick of ram to
at least in cyber powers defense you can just hit customise and edit and for 40 extra bucks currently it changes to 2x8 instead of 1x8. I venture cyber power is really just maxing profits on the pre built option that you don't edit it as you can get some pretty good deals all things consdering the current market
It depends on the mobo, if the mobo is only 2 slots, a single stick is fine so you have room to upgrade, better 1x8 than 2x4 in that case.
If we talk about 4 slot mobos then I agree with you.
@@MiGujack3 I'm not convinced by that argument. It's not like buying 2 x 8 GB of RAM is very expensive.
Presumably most people who buy a pre-build system with 8 GB of RAM are not going to upgrade, so they are stuck with a slower system. And those people that do upgrade after a year would have been better off selecting 2 x 8 GB because of the small price difference.
With two 4 GB sticks and only two memory slots, worst case scenario at some point in the future you have to buy two 8 GB sticks instead of one 8 GB stick, which is a price difference of 40 dollar. But you can sell the two 4 GB stick, or use them in a different system.
Let's say that you saved 20 bucks. That's a minor saving and not worth the performance loss before you bought more RAM. Not when the system costs 1,000 dollar.
Molex centipede! That cracked me up! I remember the days of having to do that because all of my fans were molex. I thought those days were behind us. Guess not!
I literally just ordered this and NOW I get this on my recommended. It’s my first every PC and I wanted something simple to play with soon.
I would've really liked to see the thermal results with just the fans turned around. It would've been nice to know if you could have improved thermal results without actually spending extra money.
when the flas in those prebuids are so severe, that you dont really get down to complaining about the single channel ram configuration.
I'm totally making a centipede on my next build.
10:50 Prebuilt Nightmares
The thermal paste is RAW!!
I remember visiting my younger cousin few years ago, he bought a pre built, you could probably fry eggs on the tempered glass front panel that had 3 fans behind it, that’s how hot it was. It was stuffed into that narrow desk PC space. I personally picked a cheap 30€ case of older design when I built mine, made sure the front had a good mesh on it, put it into a push pull configuration. The Benefits of building yourself, but I can’t blame him or other regular folk for not doing so, researching/troubleshooting is very time consuming and requires to build up atleast a basic component understanding. And without someone to guide them on the path it’s really hard to conceptualise where to start on your own.
from someone who doesn't have much choice outside prebuilt. thank you for these reviews and understanding why building your own pc can be better and what areas those are.
"This is phenomenally bad. I need some alcohol, let's pour some out" for our homies at cyberpower that are no longer with us.
"After seeing that, I need some alcohol"
You and me both
I have bought 2 cyberpower pcs before the prices of everything shot through the roof. They were actually pretty decent for the price. I will say that the thermals seem to be an afterthought on them. They are ok for standard use but much more than a couple minutes of heavy load they start to get quite unhappy. I just swapped cpu coolers and added 2 fans and they have done much better.
I’m looking to do this is as well how much were the changes in total?
@@iambape1207 At the time it was about $150 each probably a bit more now. It really depends on what cooler and fans you want to go with.
Great video! I actually bought this computer back on December 2020 and I was unaware of the cpu cooler (already flipped the fans). The price has been skewed from when I bought it from best buy at $779 back then....just some food for thought. Which I thought was a decent value at the time since components were hard to come by in my price range.
Which fans did you flip around? Have the exact same prebuilt
@@arriazola97 The front ones on the side. The rear one by the CPU cooler is the exhaust, and you can add some more exhaust fans on the top too.
Really enjoy these pre-builds analysis videos...keep em coming
I bought from them on their online store a year and a half ago - I agree with it being a platform. I’ve since upgraded the CPU, added fans to mine with a fan hub from Phanteks (who made the case), and added a slew of SSD’s. I’m debating replacing the case because it’s the mini itx Phanteks Evolv Shift and the airflow isn’t great
My 12 year old antec case has one of those "molex centipedes" that was the only way to hook them up.
The fans only had double Molex connectors on them, no 3-pin pigtail? Because you could buy fan distributors going all the way back. Not all of them were nice, like, the Akasa one tends to become a cobweb inside the PC, but better than a MOLEX centipede.
18:16 you know someone at Cyberpower saw these test on their end when this PC was being design and said "F%^& it, ship it"
that is why you never ever buy prebuilt because the people making them do not really.
Please do more of these pre-built reviews! I could watch these all day lol.
Loool that preview of the stacked molex plugs really cracked me up! 😂
DAMN! 98C on the CPU. That chip is more hot than a mixtape.
laptops dont even get that hot new
Did u guys watch the video? The cooler isn't making contact
@@thealien_ali3382 because the cooler sucks
Even the plant is shaking with anger.
LOL
Good prebuilts exist...
We've just never seen one
Main gear is good
Waiting for the iBuyPower review. They're super reputable on the build quality..
Yes they exist. They are just way overpriced.
I've been waiting for this one, since I'm pretty sure it's the same one I have, bought it late last year, but for $850. Wanted to have a good idea of what to check, for this model :) Thanks so much Gamers Nexus! Now to watch.
Hi. I own this computer. When I saw this video, I downloaded blender benchmark and gave it a try for my CPU. The average temperature was around 60 to 70 degrees Celsius and the highest they went was 86.5 degrees Celsius compared to the recorded 98 degrees Celsius. I bought this computer in October 2022 from best buy. In conclusion, they must have seen this video and improved on the thermals of the CPU.
Bruhhhh those Molex cables... That's a horror show...
It's not terrible in practice though, since it carries very little power. Only looks funny.
@@gunnar6674 “How make cable management cheap and look clean”. That’s how. :)
Yup, time is money, this is so much faster than putting the cables into the MB and then manage them. Saving 5-10 minutes per build is a lot.
@@catriona_drummond Is it? How much time is spent getting the connectors off the fans so they can jam the wires in?
Or do they get custom fans than have no fan connector?
It just works. Wait...