I went to Charge the car and this happened 😳
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Hi All, here’s my week with Public charging hopefully home charger sorted soon!
It costs around £180 a week at the moment, plus Cake 🍰 Coffee etc!
What's your opinion on reverse charging back to the grid?
Richard
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You can get stress for free, why the hell would anyone want to buy it🙃
I would rather just not have a car and use Ubers than go through this.
I can assure you, you never fed back to the grid.
When you stopped the car your range was based on your short journey which must have been gentle. Then when you started it up again, it's recalculated the range based on the average for the car. There would be a difference.
That's why it's good to reset all the trips frequently.
There are algorithms in the cars computer that know who's driving between you and your Mrs. Things like rate of change of pedal travel, whether one brakes early or late so adapts the regeneration accordingly.
Great channel mate. Love the content. I'm 10 years EV, 6 hybrid Golf GTes, 3 in Audi Etron and now in a Volvo XC40 twin. I reckon my Volvo could have you 😉, certainly on 0 to 60, not on top end 😂😂.
I'm the same, stopping at Lidl/Morrisons or Maccies is no good for the waistline.
I am on. a diet now! 🤣
Yeah, the smart metering system is already setup for grid-stabilisation schemes. So bidirectional power is genuinely a thing.
I don't like it, but it actually makes sense...
Word of advice to any business owners struggling to get customers. Install a electric charger and you will have many regular customers spending hours in your business
I'd be a bit cheesed off if Octopus started siphoning my diesel, I have to say! 😂
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We worry about the weight of the cars but what about the drivers after all the tea and cakes during those long refuelling stops?
I like how the type of cake is as important as where to charge 😆
Charger and Cake! 🍰
Got back problems too when walking about trade shows, Doc says I’m carrying too much weight due cakes…..
Yes please do, so all the people with common sense can have a belly laugh 😉
All that time to wait for charging, type of cake a d beverage are highly important decisions 🤣
No it can't take your charge 😂The Taycan hasn't got Vehicle to Grid
HYDROGEN is happing in Europe and Switzerland in transport industry
Ships and planes
Kawasaki and JCB have HYDROGEN engines
There is a previous video I done Hydrogen - I feel lots of different options to come through.
Sunday I "WOKE" up, there's your problem right there!
You've got to be Rocket Scientist to own an EV!
Really surprised pod point are being that difficult. Get on their case, they need to sort it. Off peak home charging changes everything. I have an ioniq 5 in the depths of winter I get 240miles..in summer I get 300....its never let me down once in almost 2yrs of ownership. Absolutely love it. We have solar panels too... So weekends it charges for free during the day. Awesome stuff. Teslas are even easier to live with as they have a solid infrastructure that's cheaper to charge from... Don't give up on it mate👍
I have the Charger now and on to Pod Point! I got 100 miles last night on 2.8kw charger too 🙌
If EV drivers are eating and drinking at public chargers, just imagine what it will be like when its a family filling their faces, this could turn out to be a major health issue, not to mention the cost of 5 drinks and food.
Hi Richard. Your car should have come with a granny charger. A cable that allows you to plug in using a 3-pin plug. It’ll only charge at 3kw, but it’s something you can use while you’re sleeping.
A commercial charger shouldn’t take charge from your battery. It’s more likely to be your air con, battery preconditioning, etc. Do you precondition before plugging in to a DC charger?
Getting one tomorrow Bruce, will then get some cake delivered at home 🏠 🤣
As I understand it, now a lot of cars are no longer supplied with a granny charger. The government don't like them as they are not Smart. And it saves the car companies some £ . Got to think of the profit margin.
@@Challengetheroad Home chargers are about 85% efficient. Get ready to lose a steady 15%...
Great vid. I think these EVs are frought with problems - some will go away in the next few years but I honestly wouldn't own one for the very reasons you've covered. These chargers 'taking' charge back really doesn't sit right with me. Imagine a petrol station doing the same :D
Taycan does not support V2X. Also, these chargers are not bidirectional. So no, charger did not take your miles. What probably happened is that you arrived with 'Range mode' and then, when you powered on the car, it automatically started in Normal mode. Or you left something running in the car (A/C or something) and car was just using energy to do it.
Good luck trying to sell it, I would try raffling it off, don’t even think of going back to Porsche to they will not want it 😂😂😂
Holy Fk - 80 KW is like 350 amps, Thats so dangerous
If you have to go into London
If you want to drive your told to
Have a net ,zero car.
I wouldn't go to London in any ev
I would prefer to go somewhere else the underground is
Worse than driving in a ice car. I did work in London but glad I don't any more
That really is shocking (pardon the pun) that is incredible i knew you could put power from your ev car battery into your house but put it back to the grid . That may explain how most of these chargers never deliver what they say madness complete utter madness
Did you get paid for the charge that the stole off you or is that another thing in the terms and conditions in the car that everybody accepted without reading 🤷♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
If it's taking charge back, does it refund you for the electricity its pinched?
If not, isn't that theft?
Spoiler. It isn't and it can't.
I think it ran the cars internals while plugged in and reduced the range. I will go back again soon 🤣
If someone invented Electric Cars now ,with all the hassle, deprecia,cost new,danger of fire, range anxiety, limuted distance travel wise etc etc...they would be institutionalised!!!!!😂🎉
If EVs were the norm and someone proposed ICE cars now, they would be institutionalised. What? You want to *store* flammable liquid in the car, and actually want to *create* multiple explosions to make the car move? Are you mad? 😉
All the Japanese are focused on Hybrid, it's the only real solution, lithium batteries are never the answer.
Would you be impressed if it took 30 minutes to fill a diesel or petrol car? I would put money on that you would be ranting.
So this is what`s known as range anxiety. Ha Ha I dont have that problem,I have 3 petrol cars.
EV ownership is like going to the gym and spending your time in the hot tub 🤔
That’s what I do Mark 🤣
I read that it’s been written into legislation that should the electricity companies require it they can use the charge stored in your car at home when plugged in obviously. You may wish to check that with your own provider. It’s all about the greater good Richard.
Rubbish. You confuse an EV owners ability to sell back electricity at a higher price than they bought it if the grid agrees. This enables the grid to balance supply at high demand times. Totally voluntary and a great cash making scheme for EV owners to sign up to.
@@Hitstirrer No. The article was very clear. The legislation also provides for EV charging being restricted during times of peak demand.
@@ianchalklen1047 You misunderstand the concept. If you seriously think that they could steal your battery energy without your permission you are deluded. In any case we could simply unplug so it would be a pointless. What they did say is that home charge points must be 'smart' to enable voluntary 2 way energy moves. And also to control when chargers start. For instance, many EV owners have signed up for cheap overnight energy starting at midnight. If every EV point kicked in exactly at midnight it would cause a surge of demand. So the 'smart' chargers phase in those cars over a few minutes either side of midnight to manage demand. Nothing nefarious. Just a practical solution. Home chargers just have to agree to such light touch controls to protect the grid.
@@Hitstirrer I think that your faith in government and large corporations is touching. Just consider the Horizon scandal and how it was handled; it certainly wasn’t in favour of the people who suffered terribly despite the truth being known.
@@ianchalklen1047 And I think that you are now clutching at straws. Conflating sensible measures to protect the grid with criminal conspiracies is whataboutism at its finest. Please stop that disingenuous tactic.
Oh a serious note, think of me an elderly lady with lung disease & immune issues going through all of that stress trying to charge an EV!!!... maybe in an isolated place, in the dark & rain..alone! I would be scared out of my life! It takes 5 minutes to fill up my diesel Mk7 Transit in a well lit, manned petrol forecourt .. & I don't even have to think about filling up for maybe 500 or 600 miles. (however, I normally fill up as it drops under half.)
If you can park off road then filling an EV is much easier than having to make a special trip to a filling station. You just arrive home and plug in. Then next morning you have a full 'tank'. And that's the same for every day.
@@Hitstirrer not everybody has that facility. There are many other reasons why I wouldn't have an EV.
@Hitstirrer 5 minutes at a filling station & then about 700 miles before filling up again...I can spare 5 minutes😂🤣
@@teachingpupswithmetz 70% do have that ability. And everybody else will have either street charge posts or even lamp post conversions nearby. As well as thousands of Rapid charge points where they can fill whilst doing other things such as shopping or gym visits. Hardly any EV owners sit in the car whilst it charges. It's called planning. I understand that many people have decided that an EV doesn't fit their own circumstances. But quite why so many of those are so vocal about that and write angry words to people who have made a different decision beats me. They are just cars. You have decided one way. Others reached a different conclusion. There will be petrol and diesel cars around for decades anyway so there is no need to be concerned about maintaining your own preference.
@@HitstirrerI do have to laugh at the amount of times EV advocates have to use the word and talk about “planning”. It’s like you have to fill out a SOW (scope of works) document plus a method statement before you drive your car.
If EVs are the future and considered to be progress in technology, why do they require so much meticulous time and energy spent on planning? In the 25 years I’ve been driving, I’ve driven across multiple countries and never planned anything. Just head towards my destination, look for a filling station at a quarter of a tank-ish, 5 minutes to fill and back on the road again. No planning, no stress, little time wasted.
They tried to revolutionise the car with EVs but forgot about all the important things that made cars so brilliant and convenient and where the word planning didn’t come into the equation.
Richard, I think what's happened here is the car knows it's plugged in so it's optimising the battery temperature using either the heater or AC and that has consumed the miles. If you were there an hour and it was running say a 4kW battery heater then that would be about right.
Thank you, That’s what I think happened as all the fans were running. I need my home charger!
@@Challengetheroad Yes you do, but in the mean time I presume you have a three-pin plug somewhere? Honestly, some people.
@@moragkerr9577 you're assuming the 3 pin is in range if his car...
@@benjimc1 If he has the potential to install a home charger "within the range of his car" he most certainly has the ability to run an extension lead from a 3-pin plug to his car. With the caveat that the circuitry should be in good condition and the extension lead robust enough. You can buy extension leads specifically marketed for this job. I've got a 15-metre one.
@@moragkerr9577 not always the case, I don't know how big his house is etc, but you can run a line for the charger as long as you need, to an external garage for example. Doesn't necessarily mean an extension cord 15m will reach. I can't use an extension cable as I live in an apartment block and the parking is way too far away, however the landlord could (if he felt the need and the government gave some encouragement) install chargers for me to use. Everyone's circumstances are different. The main thing being though imo, why are PodPoint so slow at fixing the charger, it's a necessity that should be handled urgently
Having an EV you always need a bit of charge just case or have an ICE car as well.
You always have a grin on your face when drive a proper car. Doesn't that tell you something??
V12 today!
@@Challengetheroad Now you're talking 👌
Have an EV then make sure you buy an umbrella
Why put yourself through all that stress and such a waste of your time ‘’Mad “
Didn't think the cars are bi directional yet, always thought it's down to the charger and car having to be compatible. The ford Mach e can with a ford home charger.
I would have put the loss was down to the battery management system cooling or heating the battery would never had thought of it being down to bi directional charging, the government what's it but it should have asked for permission first.
Hi Dave, I think that’s what happened it run the car for 30 mins or so and it reduced the range.
Get rid of it
I haven’t tried all the cake 🍰 shops yet
Did they credit your bank account when they took your charge??
Good question, I do not think so as it did not go through. Apparently it’s a 4g connection issue sometimes.
sod having to eat shite food at mcdonald's to charge your car. app Vpower 2 mins sorted no need to go in the shop and faff about. You need to see me, I will sort your back out. I'm an osteopath 👍
I sell e vs I'm a psycho path
FAST CHARGERS SHORTEN BATTERY LIFE.
I think the Cake 🍰 not helping me too 🤣
Absolute insanity.....you need a planner to make sure you reach your destination. Not to mention the stress of guessing if you'll make it....fun times. AND, all this for only $150K...LMAO
I'm laughing at your predicament Richard so much.
Classic content Richard! you gotta get your home charger sorted and get on a cheap tarriff overnight. i charge me Y 300 miles for less than five quid man! You gotta show the other side, i charge 90% at home and i’m having a laugh with the costs. These new fast charge networks are taking the Mick! 😂
All unregulated I heard, so they charge what they want! Not sure how people in flats etc will use EVs
Geoff - the problem with cheap night rate electric is that they ramp up the cost during the day periods. If you work form home or have people (elderly) at hope during the day then this will use considerably more than the saving that you can make from charging the car on cheap.
It works fine if you dont have people at home and use the car for the correct distance every day and change every night.
By correct daily distance what i mean is driving a distance that depleted the battery an amount that can be replaced by your charger during the low cost hours. i.e 7kWh charge rate for say 4 hours = 28kWh charge --10% charge losses = say 25kwh. if your car goes 3.5 miles per kWh = 88 miles daily. If you go further then you will be using full price electric to charge (more expensive), and if shorter distances then you wont be getting max benefit from the 4 hour cheap rate therfore electric more expensive during the day.
Iv tried every which way to make the EV cheaper to charge, i just cant. Its like £35 quid too charge up at home for about 250 miles real world compared with £25 in diesel in my old car. This is the reason that i use the EV hardly at all. Its almost cheaper to drive im my 20 year old 2.5 TD shogun.... and more fun
Something that will work for some people is using your battery to charge cheap rate - then run your home in the peak periods from your car battery
3 pin charger on its way!
Theres no way the car charge would have been dumped back into the grid. You clearly have a complete lack of understanding with regards to EV's and make yourself look foolish on here.
Hi John, the article says about this for the future, it was running the car I assume all the electrics etc for 30 mins plus.
Richard merely described what happened. That’s objectively true.
Now, HOW that happened isn’t clear. You’re attacking the interpretation. You’re not challenging the objective loss of charge.
I am going to open a cake shop that has some chargers I think I am quids in.🤩😂
I am missing an opportunity here! Run the charging on Solar power and charge .80 per KW
EV will be a Has been when the real future in transport developments
What do you think is in the future? Near and longer term?
The Taycan doesn’t have Vehicle to Grid (V2G) or Vehicle to Load (V2L), and even if it did, the chargers you used don’t support the above.
I reckon it must have made the car stay powered on maybe and used the range. Load balancing is for the future, either way I was 7 miles down 👍
Too boring just listening to you talk about yourself.
I’ve commented a few times on a similar theme.
Tesla network and charging speeds take all of the hassle you’re living away!
I use my Tesla for a london commute from
Devon and never charge less than 140kw.
I use a home charger to top up overnight.
I’d love an EV that doesn’t look like a milk float but I couldn’t put up with this BS..
Is this the feeble 79kwh or the slightly less feeble 93kwh... Who even thinks the range on the 79kwh is even close to acceptable?
93kw CT 4S 👍
Who needs this stress? I know every EV owner charges at home but if they do why are there public charging points?
I was sat next to a Tesla at McDonald’s when I came out. Range can drop fast in EVs
😀👍
Please do a collaboration with EV Carnage, the MacMaster and Geoff Buys Cars on this exact issue.
That would be crazy if we got together 🤣
@@Challengetheroad I would guarantee Geoff would suggest a 90s Euro reliable boxy estate, EV Carnage would just confirm 'Future, my arse and I would agree with both. An EV does not suit my requirements. I daily drive a 90s Euro reliable petrol car.
I hope you had a small refund on your card?
@Challengetheroad You do have. A very good take on presenting relaxing too listen, its a bit like watching Paul Whitehouse & Bob mortimer on the fishing program. Just subscribed 😂
Have I got this right you have paid to charge your car and the company can take it back how do they refund you or do they give you credit for what they take ???
He misunderstands the system. What happens is that an EV owner can fill the battery overnight at around 7.5p per kWh and enter into an agreement where the power company can buy some back if the supply is under pressure. And that is at a higher price than was paid. The car owner agrees to sell some back but to always leave a certain % in the car. It's a great cash earner if the car owner agrees and the company offers that service. Purely voluntary.
Yet more reasons why I will stay with ICE!
Don’t have a sauna but I do have water pouring into my landing. 😭
No way!
Great content as always also how do you feel about the new home are you going to have a special garage again ?
I hope so Tony - it’s still full of boxes 📦 at the moment. My sim got damaged on the move and want to do more content on that too!
Just get your home charger fixed ASAP !
Real talk relying on public charging as your main source of charging is the wrong way to go and you won’t be benefiting from the convenience and cheaper running costs. I too love the ev content because it’s education for those who aren’t aware how it all works.
Nobody has a petrol pump at home and doesn't have a problem
@@colingaskell9571 ev’s don’t work for everyone but some of those people you mention may actually benefit more from owning a ev because it can work for them and is a lot more convenient. All this comes from being made aware through videos like these ones.
@@colingaskell9571 - using an EV is a different approach. You charge it whilst it’s stopped and not being used, when you are doing other things. This means you’re never waiting for it to charge, or having to take time to drive somewhere special to fill it up.
Charge at home -> takes ~5 seconds to plug-in, wake up with full range (320 miles for me), for a cost of less than 2p a mile.
Not ever one has a spare car when the EV charging
So you thought it was a great idea to block that Rapid charge point while you went off for tea and cake. Would you have done that at a petrol point? Plug a nozzle in and walk away leaving the car parked there at the pump? What made you do such an antisocial thing and then tell the world how selfish you have been. In any case, you are totally wrong about the charge point 'taking charge' from you. It didn't. It can't. It's impossible. What happened is that the car saw it was plugged in and started to use a bit of its own battery energy to warm it up so that it could take a charge faster. The 7 miles you lost was BECAUSE you left it plugged in but not charging. And that 7 miles was not stolen from you by the charge company. Your own selfishness by hogging a valuable charge point lost that small charge from your own battery. These charge bays are not parking spaces for the entitled. It's called preconditioning and uses energy to do that. Your own lack of understanding and antisocial hogging is to blame.
Church Confession tomorrow 👍
Why not charge from a domestic 3 pin outlet for now?
Going to get one tomorrow 👍
@@Challengetheroad Porsche don't supply one with the car?
Secondhand car so not provided
@@Challengetheroad ah fair enough 🙂
@@Challengetheroad For goodness sake, a luxury car and you don't have a basic bit of kit that comes free with everything else. I've been using mine for a year, just getting round to getting a home charger now. First time I needed a DC charger this year was like today.
😂😂🤣 ohh Richard you are so funny! You will have to make the doors of your new house wider or you won't get through them if you keep that EV 😳🙈
Trousers are feeling a bit tight already 🤣 I will keep using the sauna!
My Porsche Cayenne ehybrid came with a 7kw home charger in the boot from Porsche.
I bought secondhand so no 3 pin with the car 👍
@@Challengetheroad When I sold my Cayenne the professional car buyer who collected it for Porsche Chester insisted he got it along with the car so I had to screw it from the wall.
So here was my day. I had to get to Aberdeen which is about 140 miles, which is the edge of my winter range (standard range car, didn't shell out for the long range battery). Car was serviced the previous day, and came back with a factory reset. Oh frabjous day, 199 miles of range!
In your dreams, but I could have pretended to believe it. So I turn the heating on as I get in the car as it's bloody cold, and suddenly it's only 189 miles of range. How terrible, range is just vanishing! No, it's the way the car works, turn on the heater and it subtracts a nominal 5% from the displayed range. (Which was already hopelessly optimistic but what the hell.)
So off I set, and if there is one thing I will not compromise on it is comfort, so that heater stayed on. Another thing I am most reluctant to compromise on is utilising the speed of my rocket sled, so there's that, too. I watch the miles on the GOM reducing, and the miles to destination on Android Auto ditto, and to the surprise of absolutely nobody who isn't playacting for UA-cam likes, the former reduces a lot faster than the latter. I choose the more economical route through Glenrothes, even though it's SIX MINUTES slower! How terrible. (Later I ignored another more economical route that was 28 minutes slower, because I'm not a complete idiot.)
About half way there things have settled down, and I seem to have 14 miles in hand. I start to believe the GOM. But the road gets a bit hilly and the margin degrades a bit more until it's only five miles (it appeared to be 60 miles at the start). Shame I don't have a UA-cam channel because I could milk this no end. Except I'm not far from Aberdeen by this time, and the last part is downhill so why would I worry? Car gets to 12 miles of range and asks if I want it to go into energy saving mode. I say yes but buggered if I know what difference that made, the performance didn't change and I never saw a turtle.
I had thought about going for a destination charger near the church where the memorial service I was going to was to be held, but come on. Two cheap and two absolutely free plugs, in the city at lunch-time on Saturday, what were the chances? Correct, zero. I didn't go there, but if I had done that I could have thrown a fearsome strop, seven miles left and all the chargers are occupied!! But hey, I was over an hour early, how did that happen? Not sure, but I was. So I just went to the MFG chargers as I was passing.
Oh noes, it will take an hour and 20 minutes to finish charging! I'll be late! No of course I won't because I can unplug when I like and only a raving idiot (or someone faced with a slap-up three-course dinner) charges to 100% on a DC charger. It was lunch-time so I went to the loo and bought a snack, and by the time I'd eaten that the car was at 83%. Perfect.
OK, so lacking the destination charger - local authorities really REALLY need to put more of these in - I wasn't going to get all the way home from 80%. But I just popped in to the Tesla superchargers at Dundee on my way home. I'd been driving for well over an hour by then, stretching my legs and visiting the loo again was enough to get the charge up so I could get home with no issues.
I could have made a video about that journey that would make it seem as if only a raving idiot would want to run an EV. But it would have been pure theatre and playacting. I knew the GOM was lying to me, but I also knew that I could make it to Aberdeen just fine. I knew the destination chargers would be taken, so I didn't waste time going there (I did check the app, and yes they were taken) to have a drama about it. I did spend some time charging, but the first time was lunch, and the second time was only a quick stop. I was expecting both stops, wasn't in a tearing hurry, and was completely relaxed about it.
Bear in mind that this is the first day I've had to use a DC charger this year. I've used nothing but a 3-pin plug (and one go at a destination charger) since New Year, and I've done a fair old mileage. It's taken me seconds to plug the car in and unplug it, I haven't had to go near a petrol station, or even think about when I might need to do that. That's worth taking a wee bit longer on a long trip (that and how fresh and non-tired EV driving leaves you).
Oh yes, I admit the MFG charger wasn't cheap. (The Tesla one was better.) But frankly who cares, when my at-home charging is pocket change?
They have had 200 years to sort EV's out and they are still trouble. You keeping one is the classic making your own life worse by making bad decisions
They are a meme. And C02 is the gas of life, literally the more C02 the better.
No sympathy. You brought all this on yourself. All the other non shill You Tubers say don't do it and what do you do ? !# You ignore them for I don't know what reason.. I am glad you enjoy your EV vids. Just seeing one is why I don't subscribe. Rant over.
No worries Rob