Somogear NGAL Initial Testing

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  • Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
  • After not seeing the information I was after regarding the Somogear NGAL, I decided to test it out for myself.
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    • The Somogear NGAL Push...
    0:00 Intro and overview
    4:55 Rail fitment issue
    6:50 Co-allignment testing
    9:00 Zero retention testing
    14:12 NV Testing
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  • @4MRRanch
    @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +51

    If you found this video helpful, please consider subscribing. UA-cam does not support this content, so if you want to support more content like this, please check out the channel links or patreon in the video description.
    Update review:
    ua-cam.com/video/cvcJdGnpn9s/v-deo.html

  • @Spessforce
    @Spessforce 6 місяців тому +110

    This is the best somogear ngal review to date. It’s a shame about some of the rail clamp tolerances, but people have been finding clever ways to make it secure.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +46

      I did hear from Somogear due to this video and they are actively working on a fix for the mount.

    • @seanwarnercpa8357
      @seanwarnercpa8357 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch I just got a new rail clamp from somogear. night and day difference. It's rock solid now.

  • @MH_6160
    @MH_6160 6 місяців тому +19

    Solid review… sub'd
    have been using one of these for about two months now…For reference I am using it on a 10.5" running 62 grain…. I have about 350 rounds since I installed and I am not babying it.
    One of the solutions I found, I milled down the set screw (it sticks out from the NGAL body and will interfere with some light mount situations)… then put a delrin spacer between the clamp and the set screw. It clamps it perfect.. Zero movement of the unit.
    Two additonal mods I did, I did was replaced the battery retaining cap retention "strap" with one from a real NGAL and it doesn't flop around now. (yes the real diffusers work as well)
    Second was the O ring in the battery cap… also put some weapon grease on the threads, much smoother operation of the battery cap.
    I am still holding zero just fine… I re verify it frequently.
    This weekend I had a malfunction and mortared my AR 3 times very hard on the pavement… still was holding zero.
    YMMV….

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +4

      I appreciate you sharing your data point for the good of the group. Glad you’ve had a similar positive experience. So far, so good for me and I will post an update video at some point to share the good, the bad, and possibly the ugly. I’m thinking I may throw in a o-ring to the battery cap for good measure, but wanted to collect in altered results for the initial testing.

  • @TonyBologna240
    @TonyBologna240 6 місяців тому +20

    For the battery lanyard, those get dry and break off of our real peqs/ngals. What we usually do is take a piece of 550 gut and tie it back down in the same grooves. Works well and if you lose that cap, the whole unit is useless

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +4

      Thanks for the tip. I’ll probably rig up something along those lines!

  • @jayboiproductions8933
    @jayboiproductions8933 6 місяців тому +13

    Glad you did this. Now i do t have to spend so much for one and can purchase multiple for different setups. Thanks man.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      That’s the spirit!

  • @RaffyJoaquin
    @RaffyJoaquin 6 місяців тому +40

    There aren't a lot of reviews on the somogear ngal. I appreciate you putting out the content. From the few video reviews that are out there it seems this cheap little China knock off actually works. I'm very interested. Lets face it if you're planning nods and aren't a professional war fighter the cost of an actual unit is hard to justify. You're not kicking down doors. You're going to need ir illumination in the event you're donning nods in a self defense scenario. I think this is pretty practical.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +10

      I think worse case this is a damn good illuminator in a small form factor. If the laser holds zero, that’s just icing on the cake.

    • @RaffyJoaquin
      @RaffyJoaquin 6 місяців тому +1

      @@4MRRanch yup you hit that nail on the head. Perfectly stated sir.

    • @kuzadupa185
      @kuzadupa185 6 місяців тому +1

      Why should an iR illuminator justify a $2k-$4k price tag....
      Wven using this on a traditional rifle should be fine

    • @RaffyJoaquin
      @RaffyJoaquin 6 місяців тому

      @@kuzadupa185 yes exactly. Thank you. I understand “get what you pay for,” but $2-$4 grand is just ridiculous. For aluminum and wiring and laser lenses you shouldn’t have to break the bank.

  • @R-Y-N
    @R-Y-N 6 місяців тому +6

    Quality Content. Thank you for having in depth with NVG

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching

  • @gunsncars1157
    @gunsncars1157 6 місяців тому +2

    Thanks man, we do appreciate your work making sure it’s viable

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I appreciate that! Happy to help.

  • @TaylorS89
    @TaylorS89 6 місяців тому +2

    You’re doing gods work. I’ve almost brought this bad boi so many times. Great overview.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Happy to take the risk for the team. So far so good, more updates to follow.

  • @volcomintality8638
    @volcomintality8638 6 місяців тому +3

    Way more in-depth of a video than i have ever seen. Have toed with the idea of getting one, and could recommend this video to those who are actually considering one. Thank you

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the kind words. Feel free to share, that supports my channel!

  • @NightVisionHunting
    @NightVisionHunting 6 місяців тому +2

    Awesome review! Will definitely be looking forward to the next review!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      I will probably do a 500, and 1,000 round update.

  • @kellyryansmith7879
    @kellyryansmith7879 6 місяців тому +9

    this was hands down one of the best reviews I seen on this product.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, more detailed follow up videos to come.

  • @_ezra6217
    @_ezra6217 6 місяців тому +2

    Really great video man. Very professional and great information! Keep up the good work!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Glad you liked it! More content to come soon!

  • @Aspirate69
    @Aspirate69 6 місяців тому +7

    Great video, thanks for the feedback. I hope more and more of these NGAL reviews get released so we can hear both the good and bad.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      I’m glad you liked it, thanks for watching.

  • @campbellian73
    @campbellian73 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for the time and effort!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Happy to do it!

  • @burnette214
    @burnette214 6 місяців тому +10

    I've had mine and got around 1100-1500 rounds on it so far and it's holding zero still. I had an introduction to NVG rifle class a couple weekends ago and it held zero all through the class. I'm sure it's only a matter of time bfore it may shit the bed but so far so good.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      Thanks for sharing your experience. It sounds hopeful

    • @cooperallgood4227
      @cooperallgood4227 Місяць тому

      Is it still holding up?

    • @burnette214
      @burnette214 Місяць тому

      @@cooperallgood4227 so far it is. I actually went out and shot this past weekend to see if it was still zeroed and it is still going strong.

  • @Wlvrtnjm
    @Wlvrtnjm 6 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for taking one for the team.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Happy to do it from time to time lol

  • @Range23
    @Range23 5 місяців тому

    Great video mate. I’m just getting into NV and this video was really useful and well put together. You got a new sub 👍🏻

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  5 місяців тому +1

      I appreciate the support! I have many more like this in the works

  • @LoganCoutts
    @LoganCoutts 6 місяців тому +1

    Great work on this. Very thorough

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Much appreciated! More like this to come.

  • @TankUSA
    @TankUSA 6 місяців тому +4

    Gear for the average Joe. I like it! Subscribed.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Exactly! Thanks for the sub, more like this come.

  • @mathewthatcher6274
    @mathewthatcher6274 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you sir. I just put myself on the wait list

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Hope yours proves to serve you well

  • @mr523592891
    @mr523592891 6 місяців тому +2

    I brought tons of GBRS risers, unity risers+controllers and surefire lights from taobao. Things selling on taobao are cheaper, won’t need to worry about the copy rights so they can be exactly same like the original, and they are all worked as they should be. Paying $200+ just for a light,even an aluminum CNC rail are insane! I have 3 peq 15 made by fma, together cost me less than $900, they worked on my different rifles from 9mm to 308. Still working properly and holding zero. Thanks for the review, I’ll definitely try the new product. Cheers!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I have considered a knock off gbrs riser to mess around with. It is tempting, but shipping times are long and I am impatient lol

  • @jlindo1332
    @jlindo1332 6 місяців тому +1

    Thank you so much for this

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Happy to do it

  • @tylerkeene7401
    @tylerkeene7401 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video. Thank you sir

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I appreciate you taking the time to watch.

  • @strykeback1
    @strykeback1 6 місяців тому +2

    Great review as someone that has not dabbled into nods but is more interested in the laser light capability for night applications im very tempted. Subscribed

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the sub. More content like this to come.

  • @wombraider7803
    @wombraider7803 6 місяців тому +9

    Getting mine in tomorrow, excited to see how good it is for it's price. Another alternative that I have been seeing is the invisiblesight NGAL, their IS-EG NGAL is priced at $480 right now and guarantees zero up to 5.56, but there is a 3 month pre order.

    • @MH_6160
      @MH_6160 6 місяців тому

      I saw that…looks solid.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +3

      It only guarantees a coalignement of 4 MOA though. It’s probably conservative, but a decent option in the same price range.

    • @wombraider7803
      @wombraider7803 6 місяців тому +1

      @@4MRRanch I also saw some vids of it under NV and the IR Illuminator looks cheap, in the flooding it has lines of brighter light kinda like old incandescent flashlights, but the illuminator gets way tighter than the somogear NGAL

    • @davidsobrito1398
      @davidsobrito1398 6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah it’s not a 3 month preorder either. Guys are waiting close to a year on Reddit.

  • @mchef117
    @mchef117 6 місяців тому +5

    Great content subscribed. Own a somogear peq for over 2 years now and just got the ngal. Have treated me great. Do experience the recoil cut out on my ak but on 556 or 9mm ive had no issues (not on my scar that thing eats everything i put on it)

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      I will not personally be running this on anything more than 9mm or 5.56, mainly cause ammo costs for the larger calibers takes away the joy of night time plinking. Maybe I’ll try it on my AR 10 just to build some more confidence..
      thanks for the sub

    • @christophallen8859
      @christophallen8859 6 місяців тому +1

      @@4MRRanch I would definitely like to see the results of putting it on an AR-10. I appreciate the video putting with your honest opinion.

    • @mchef117
      @mchef117 6 місяців тому

      @@yodax5613 absolutely imo

  • @Malonlabe0311
    @Malonlabe0311 6 місяців тому +1

    Nice work, thanks man

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Much appreciated, thanks for watching

  • @stephens2663
    @stephens2663 3 місяці тому

    Great video. Thanks for the info.

  • @baubowers2529
    @baubowers2529 6 місяців тому +1

    Great review boss

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching, much appreciated. More like this to come.

  • @Dliverance
    @Dliverance 6 місяців тому +4

    Mine has the rail fitment issues as well. I just cut a strip of electrical tape and put it over the lug on the laser to eliminate the forward to aft play.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      Fortunately I did not have this issue on the rigs I plan to run this unit on, but it is an unfortunate issue and will be luck of the draw for most. In hindsight, I Should have taken measurements so people can predetermine which rail systems will work for them.

  • @BurnerTactical
    @BurnerTactical 5 місяців тому

    Excellent Review!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching. The update review is now available as well.

  • @TexanApollyon
    @TexanApollyon 6 місяців тому

    Looks awesome

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      So far, it is!

  • @PETRAS_
    @PETRAS_ 6 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for the video man. I suppose it is the latest version they announced. I find this unit better than the Peq15, in terms of materials but the illuminator seems not as tight and still has the QC as the clamp, the potential soldering failures and or laser mis allignments.
    I would wait for the new vcsel holosun they are going to announce in shot show later this january. If not and depending on the price I´d try to get this somo.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +3

      This unit was ordered on 12/26/23 received 1/2/24.
      I hope holosun pulls it off, but for a fair price!

  • @EricQNava
    @EricQNava 6 місяців тому

    Awesome rifle bro, beauty!!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      I appreciate that!

  • @HDBujutsu1775
    @HDBujutsu1775 6 місяців тому +1

    Good video, thanks

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching!

    • @HDBujutsu1775
      @HDBujutsu1775 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch this was on a “potted” NGAL?

  • @umbertomclovin
    @umbertomclovin 6 місяців тому

    thanks for he detailed info! curiosity finally got to me, so I bought one the other day. i own a bunch units - steiner, holosun, and b.e myers. hopfully the somogear doesn't outperform all them. lol

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      The illuminator is pretty awesome, I just wish it focused a bit more. For this reason my A2 will probably stay on my primary build and the solo will go on my night time plinker

  • @M4HRed
    @M4HRed 6 місяців тому

    Great video

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I’m glad you liked it, thanks for taking the time to watch.

  • @boejiden1942
    @boejiden1942 6 місяців тому

    Subbed. Looks like a decent little unit

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Much appreciated, and yes so far so good. Future updates to come.

  • @wyldechild7122
    @wyldechild7122 6 місяців тому

    Nice video man

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Much appreciated, thanks for watching.

  • @asbestocide
    @asbestocide 6 місяців тому +1

    I also have the rail fitment issue on my BCM m-lok rail. The thumbscrew has plenty more to go before bottoming out. It seems the clamp is hitting the square part of the mounting lug (after the threads) before it can fully grasp the rail. When you show the clamp at 5:05, you can see the 2 scuff marks where it's digging in. I considered taking a dremel to the clamp to make a relief cut but for now I threw some 3M VHB tape on the clamp to give it an extra "buffer" while I test it out.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I may play around with it to see if there’s a workaround, but I think your approach may work. I wanted to show the unit as is for the initial video, and will post a follow up video at some point in the near future where I may have made some modifications.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Adding an extra washer seemed to solve mine.

  • @vancelandry9369
    @vancelandry9369 5 місяців тому

    Thanks for doing this man. I have the atpial somogear, and hate how bulky that thing is. Glad I never bought a real one. Was hoping they’d come out with a civi ngal, but this looks like it’ll work for me.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  5 місяців тому +1

      Another update coming later this week but it’s still holding up thus far

    • @lorteti
      @lorteti 5 місяців тому

      ​@@4MRRanch It will be nice to see a follow up.

  • @Reaver_Approach
    @Reaver_Approach 6 місяців тому

    I did indeed find this useful. So I will indeed be subscribing.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Glad to hear it, thanks for the support!

    • @Reaver_Approach
      @Reaver_Approach 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch thank you for the testing!

  • @kaz7694
    @kaz7694 6 місяців тому

    this vid has sold me on this product

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      More detailed updates to come. I think it’s still preliminary, but this video was intended to show it’s worth our time to test out

  • @strat1960s
    @strat1960s 6 місяців тому

    Whew! Been checking the Somogear site a couple times a day and guess what. Three days after this video, I got my Somogear NGAK on order. As of now there were 13 in stock

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Good luck, hope yours works well for you

    • @strat1960s
      @strat1960s 6 місяців тому

      Have you done any more shooting with the NGAL? I look forward to a follow up video when the time comes.
      @@4MRRanch

  • @stihl888
    @stihl888 6 місяців тому +1

    Well done, nice review I'm yet to take mine out for zero test but QD on/off removal has proven it holds zero. I torqued mine to 20" pounds. My vertical adjustment screw doesn't have a positive detent/click to it but i don't think this will effect zero.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Keep us updated, together we will finally solve the mystery that is Somogear lasers

  • @TomColontonio
    @TomColontonio 6 місяців тому

    Amazing asmr!!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Only the best for my viewers lol

  • @theodoros1126
    @theodoros1126 6 місяців тому +1

    This unit sells for 600+ euros in Europe . For that money I bought an Inforce WML gen II with both white and IR illumination coupled with a Holosun LS117IR . Both real firearm tools plus I got some change for ammo . Holosun went for 270 euros and the Inforce for 180 euros ...Still nice video , nice effort . I use the G&P dbal A2 for airsoft training . Very nice unit for 200 euros

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      I don’t think the inforce would have anywhere near the punch at range that a laser based u it would have. I assume there’s also not a way to synchronize those two devices?

    • @theodoros1126
      @theodoros1126 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch true . Don't under estimate the Inforce . For realistic NV shooting ranges ( 90-150 yards ) it's more than enough. And there is always the Holosun LS321R Multi-laser (Red & IR) and IR Illuminator which I believe is more than capable with all the Ngal functions but is a proper milspec device

    • @blackcrosser
      @blackcrosser 4 місяці тому

      @@theodoros1126yes the holosun products are great but all their laser aiming modules are low power.. I use a somogear peq15 (latest model) on my mk18 and I absolutely smoke all the CIV “military grade” laser devices of my friends.. it holds zero on a 223/556, it’s solid and for the price tag it worths every penny.

  • @dogboy0912
    @dogboy0912 6 місяців тому +2

    There's also the Invisible Sight Ngal, for anyone curious about what else is out there.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I will be testing and comparing that one soon

  • @Signal-20
    @Signal-20 6 місяців тому

    thanks man

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching.

  • @CavBoy1
    @CavBoy1 6 місяців тому

    Just bought 2 of them and haven’t had any issues yet.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Glad to hear!

  • @lukekerr7024
    @lukekerr7024 5 місяців тому

    Awesomeeeee sauceeee

  • @mwsr2521
    @mwsr2521 6 місяців тому

    Looks servicable. Alot of this stuff is really simple technology and really should not cost as much as it does.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      That’s the frustrating part of the laser market

  • @Killertomatoe01
    @Killertomatoe01 6 місяців тому

    Did you do a review for the peq? I’m really tempted on one of these simply because I love the look the the Peq15

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      I have the peq with 1,000 rounds through it and it’s going strong, but have not collected detailed data and have not left it on the same gun, so can’t say for sure if the zero has held.

  • @dogboy0912
    @dogboy0912 6 місяців тому

    Reminded me since you brought up lasing the camera. As these products get into more people's hands, I highly highly recommend reading up and understanding hazards of lasers and laser safety. Last thing we need is people getting their vitrious humor turned into fried egg at airsoft matches or at the range because they didn't understand their device. Recommend getting some LEPs that are properly rated for the wavelengths of the devices involved.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I personally can’t imagine why somebody would ever use this for Airsoft. Way too strong to ever want to consider pointing at somebody in the name of a friendly game.

  • @kennypreston3302
    @kennypreston3302 6 місяців тому

    Did u try adding a washer to the rail clamp,tk see if that helps it tighten down on that bcm rail?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I found that both a washer, as well as reeeeallly tightening the unit both seem to help

  • @lolsalot1000
    @lolsalot1000 6 місяців тому

    Did you contact somogear about the lasers not being co alligned? It does say on the website that they are supposed to be out of the box so maybe you got a dud unit. Also i was pretty suprised that there wasnt any locator/locking lugs in line with the picatinny mount. Some of those would probably tighten up the tollerances with the rail much better.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I still consider them fairly co aligned as they will only be off by about 2” at 100 yards based on the offset I recorded. I’ll have to see if this increases over time. I do wish I would have done the test prior to use to get a baseline measurement, but can’t go back and change that, I can only continue to monitor it.

  • @whitexeno
    @whitexeno 6 місяців тому +1

    @6:48 is this due to that nut bottoming out on its threads? if so, I think more washers or tape on that section of pic would fix that issue. Still an issue, but just offering a potential solution.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I think the clamping mechanism is being blocked by the NGAL body from being able to get any narrower.

  • @MrCashewkitty
    @MrCashewkitty 6 місяців тому

    If had mixed results with the Somo PEQs but they always replace them or fix them or whatever they do. The one im using now on a 13.9 has over 2000 rounds on it and the only negative has been that if either laser is in constant on, it goes off when i fire a shot. Not a big deal as i dont use the constant on feature and if im manually activing it, it stays on when firing.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Have you sent yours in to them? Or been sent a new one?

    • @MrCashewkitty
      @MrCashewkitty 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch I got in very early. The first one was not potted, my fault I think. But I paid the difference and shipping and got a potted one. The 2nd one crapped out after a few hundred rounds and they replaced it without hassle. This one has been hard with just over 2k in about 3 months. It should be noted, I never said it was on a real gun. 🤣
      Not sure if that matters to be honest. Turn around times were brutal

  • @strat1960s
    @strat1960s 6 місяців тому

    I ordered my NGAL last week (wed or thur I think) and it arrived on tue. Since we are having summer in January (peaked out at 70), I thought I would make some adjustments to the laser(s) to at least get them close to zero'd. I am going for a parallel zero so I have the visible laser just below and a tad to the left of my zero'd ATN X-Sight. Now when I turn on the IR laser, its showing up a good distance below the visible laser. Which laser do you recommend using when I zero the NGAL???

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      If they aren’t very well lined up on your unit, I’d go with the one you’ll use most.

    • @strat1960s
      @strat1960s 6 місяців тому

      Was your's pretty close to eachother (Vis and IR)???@@4MRRanch

  • @Nazrick
    @Nazrick 6 місяців тому

    I’m looking to get into night vision and lasers etc. and am curious, do you see that much laser movement 13:06 when shooting a more expensive unit? I was surprised to see it shake that much, or would that potentially be the laser pr some component of it reacting to the recoil? I thought it shakes more left and right than vertically. Could attribute to the slight drift in zero. Great vid, instant sub from me!

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      As far as I can tell the laser movement is from the recoil of the rifle itself, since it was braced on a shooting platform on the bottom of the rifle, the recoil impulse followed the path of least resistance (to the left as I am a right handed shooter). This could possible explain the potential gradual shift in zero horizontally over time, but I don't know that I have put enough rounds to assume it has shifted just yet.

    • @Nazrick
      @Nazrick 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch makes sense. Great review, appreciate the work.

  • @RunningWithSauce
    @RunningWithSauce 6 місяців тому

    much better review than my ghetto version haha. I was having recoil flicker with mine and had to do some adjusting.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      What did you adjust?

    • @RunningWithSauce
      @RunningWithSauce 6 місяців тому

      I pulled the spring a bit and cranked the ever loving hell out of it hah. once cranked down I had no more issues. @@4MRRanch

    • @Aspirate69
      @Aspirate69 6 місяців тому

      Did you try the O-ring trick?

    • @RunningWithSauce
      @RunningWithSauce 6 місяців тому +1

      Not yet but I will be. Next weekend I have a night shoot and will be running it again but this time at 700 rpm @@Aspirate69

    • @Aspirate69
      @Aspirate69 6 місяців тому

      @@RunningWithSaucecool, keep us updated!

  • @thesavage6484
    @thesavage6484 6 місяців тому

    Is yours a new update? I noticed you have a ring molded into the body for the plug retaining cord. On the website it doesn’t have one in the picture

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I honestly am not familiar with versions. I just know it was ordered 12/26/33 and received 1/2/24

    • @andrewclark84
      @andrewclark84 6 місяців тому

      Ordered 12/22/23 my unit does not have a ring on the body to retain plug lanyard. It was looped into the battery cap retainer. Red laser version.

  • @HK-wq1ei
    @HK-wq1ei 6 місяців тому

    subbed for the asmr lol

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I’ll make sure to include more just for you on the update videos lol

  • @sladeoriginal
    @sladeoriginal 6 місяців тому

    trying to find some pattern generators, but almost everything cheap or expensive is PEQ15 so far.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Yeah the only potential aftermarket support will be for the real thing, so expect to spend just as much on L3 diffusers/pattern generators as you did on the Somogear unit itself lol

  • @not_your_business666
    @not_your_business666 6 місяців тому +3

    Watch them becoming better than the original in about 3-5 years lol

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      If the price stays reasonable, I’m here for it

  • @vancelandry9369
    @vancelandry9369 5 місяців тому

    Good sir, how does one even get a grey market ngal? I hear everyone saying you’ll have the problem of no warranty, but I don’t know how to even have that problem.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  5 місяців тому

      If you’re a serious buyer, I can put you in touch with somebody who can source them. But expect a $4-$5k price tag depending on condition and date of manufacture.

  • @tylergoldstein
    @tylergoldstein 6 місяців тому

    Is that the griffin m4sdk? How do you like it?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      It is. I’ve really enjoyed it. Pretty good efficiency for the compact size.

  • @Jayscott19_
    @Jayscott19_ 6 місяців тому

    How do I get one of these via Amazon? Or go to the website?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Right now you have to go direct to the somo website or paragon Armory site

  • @christianmactavish2723
    @christianmactavish2723 6 місяців тому +1

    Save and get this? Or get the peq 15 version?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +7

      The build quality is much better on the NGAL, I think this would last longer but will update as round count gets higher.

    • @Kaotix_music
      @Kaotix_music 6 місяців тому +1

      my PEQ15 broke after a year where it mounts up. I got the NGAL and the quality doesnt even make it feel like a Somogear. Somogear realllyyyyyy tried to perfect this product. Id get the NGAL 10/10

  • @TheWesman45
    @TheWesman45 6 місяців тому +2

    I'm glad goodish lasers like this exist for people that don"t want to spend 4-6k on a laser. However, the existance of this thing makes everyone think my actual L3 NGAL is a fake. Though having said that. There are very few diffrences I can notice between this somogear unit and my L3. The biggest being this replica looks a bit diffrent in color. Well, that and the obvious stuff like the NGAL having a red vis laser.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I think that’s why the red vis version is a popular one. For me, I don’t care so much about being clone correct, I just wanted a bright vis laser and ideally a decent IR unit.
      If anything, products like these will hopefully put pressure on the laser market to offer more for the money.
      Also, if you’d be interested in loaning out your real L3 for a comparison, let me know. Shoot me an email at 4mrranch@gmail.com. Insured shipping on my dime, and a “rental” fee for your generosity!

    • @TheWesman45
      @TheWesman45 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch I actually would be interested. I'll shoot you an email.

    • @MH_6160
      @MH_6160 6 місяців тому

      Everything you said and the set screw, that its a dead give away… but I could care less if someone sees me with a somogear.

    • @nicomuchuelas
      @nicomuchuelas 6 місяців тому +1

      someone like you needs to make a video comparing a real one at the same time as the somogear on two identical rifles. That would be awesome

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      @@nicomuchuelas if somebody would be willing to loan me one, I would absolutely put in the time and effort.

  • @mc6jumper891
    @mc6jumper891 Місяць тому

    it seems the "looseness" issue on rails you demonstrated, the ones I've seen are on a lot of BCM Keymods.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  Місяць тому

      Looks like the BCM rail spec is to blame

  • @armsupwithlawrence
    @armsupwithlawrence 6 місяців тому

    Sorry if i missed it but i guess you are using the more expensive potted Version right ?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Correct, although I don’t think you get to opt out of potting for the NGAL

    • @armsupwithlawrence
      @armsupwithlawrence 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch at least one Italian store has the potted and non potted. The non potted is like half the price

  • @strat1960s
    @strat1960s 6 місяців тому

    How'd you get one of these???? Every time I look they're sold out.

    • @chuckles6102
      @chuckles6102 6 місяців тому +1

      Just randomly check the website every few days. They were in stock a couple days ago so I ordered mine. But if you wait a couple months I’m sure the availability will become better.

    • @umbertomclovin
      @umbertomclovin 6 місяців тому +1

      just add yourself to the in-stock notification. i bought one a few days ago.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      Checking every so often. They restock every few days

    • @yesman3208
      @yesman3208 6 місяців тому

      They have plenty in stock on their site right now

    • @strat1960s
      @strat1960s 6 місяців тому

      Just check still has a wait list
      @@yesman3208

  • @user-ms3lw3gi4f
    @user-ms3lw3gi4f 6 місяців тому

    👍

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for watching.

  • @yesman3208
    @yesman3208 6 місяців тому

    I’ve had a good amount of paint immediately peel off the front of mine from simply swiveling the diffuser cap on and off. Not sure if anyone else had the same experience. I also removed that battery cap retainer by mistake and can’t get the fucking thing back on. Likewise had that little tether attached to the plug and like an idiot I cut it off. Not realizing it was there to hold the cap in place when removed.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      I’ll tolerate the finishes if the performance keeps functioning well

    • @yesman3208
      @yesman3208 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch agreed honestly
      Just wondering if it’s an outlier due to QC issues.

  • @MedicalTape_xX
    @MedicalTape_xX 6 місяців тому +2

    Are you willing to test rain/water resitence? Even just leaving it out in the rain?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +5

      Maybe.. gotta get my moneys worth out of it first. UA-cam doesn’t pay gun channels like it used to, so this was very much on my own dime !

    • @MedicalTape_xX
      @MedicalTape_xX 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch makes sense lol

  • @allensparks6512
    @allensparks6512 6 місяців тому

    What upper are you running?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      It’s a build. Aero upper, Roscoe bloodline barrel, geissle handguard.

    • @allensparks6512
      @allensparks6512 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanchNice. I get gassed to hell with my mk18 and my griffin gatelok can. Seems like yours wasn't to bad

  • @chubpone
    @chubpone Місяць тому

    wheres the link for the item

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  Місяць тому

      Cause of UA-cam rules I can’t always link things. Search Somogear NGAL on Google, sorry for the extra step..

  • @andrewbrown151
    @andrewbrown151 6 місяців тому +1

    Wouldn't you add another washer?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      The clamp is oversized for some select rails, ideally it needed to go narrower. Somogear has been in touch since posting this and is actively working on a fix.

    • @andrewbrown151
      @andrewbrown151 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch duck tape... It's for ducks but whatever..🤣

  • @yeredfarias7662
    @yeredfarias7662 6 місяців тому +1

    Review a smslaser xk68

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +2

      I actually reached out to see if they would send one for a similar video. I wanted to do a comparison of a handful of budget lasers

  • @XeohHD
    @XeohHD 6 місяців тому

    og kmr, anything og is going be prone to cc issues, its probably the rail cut itself

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      This is the aluminum/magnesium alloy KMR that was originally released but discontinued. Stupid lightweight, weight wise it literally feels like it’s make of cardboard, but I think it wasn’t super durable and was then discontinued. Could be out of spec, but I doubt it.

  • @sladeoriginal
    @sladeoriginal 6 місяців тому +2

    I think you need to ADD a washer

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      I’ll try it and will report back.

    • @MH_6160
      @MH_6160 6 місяців тому

      See my initial post.@@4MRRanch

    • @j.w.4549
      @j.w.4549 6 місяців тому

      Anything that adds equal pressure on the upper and lower part of this clamping piece (the thingy that is pushed down by the nut) will not work!
      What should work is if you add something to make it cant slightly, basically make the lower part extend further and touch the rail. Like fix something to the lower half of it between the mount and the nut/washer or use a file and remove material on the upper part that interfaces with the unit itself/put sth inbetween there. you could even glue a thin piece of metal to the lower clamping surface. Try a folded piece of a beer can first and then glue it onto the clamp or just hold it there while tightening in order to not alter the mount permanently.

  • @BG-bb2mb
    @BG-bb2mb 6 місяців тому

    This or steiner dbal a3?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Well that’s tough. Output wise this will blow the civ A3 out of the water, but the A3 is actually a reliable and proven system. I’ll be running more extensive tests on this, and more reliability data will be available from other users too. This option may be viable, but for now it’s highly unproven.

  • @mcguzman5398
    @mcguzman5398 6 місяців тому

    Does this one come in black

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Only color options at the moment appear to be red or green laser. Housings are all fde

    • @mcguzman5398
      @mcguzman5398 6 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch cool, hopefully by the time they come out with a black one there will be lots of reviews and people still love this thing.

  • @robertdole5391
    @robertdole5391 6 місяців тому

    SOMONE IN MEXICO NEEDS TO MAKE A “LASER POINTER” THAT CONVENIENTLY CAN REPLACE THE LASER GUTS ON THIS.

    • @MH_6160
      @MH_6160 6 місяців тому

      Just get on the wait list for the invisible sight…

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Would be nice.

  • @z3ntropy
    @z3ntropy 6 місяців тому

    you love hearing yourself say "full disclosure"

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      You caught me

  • @TexasThunderChife
    @TexasThunderChife 5 місяців тому

    You need to add a washer for two

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  5 місяців тому

      I address this in the update video that’s dropping in a day or two

    • @TexasThunderChife
      @TexasThunderChife 5 місяців тому

      @@4MRRanch in your opinion is it a good substitute. From the video it looks like it is but what is your opinion

  • @eugenechurch6135
    @eugenechurch6135 6 місяців тому

    Comment! Fuess the ngal is the best bet out there huh?

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Only time will tell. This a very surface level test, and was only intended to indicate it might actually be worth our time to play with. I’ll report back in another 500 and 1,000 rounds.

  • @Jessersadler
    @Jessersadler 6 місяців тому

    seems like that handguard is a bit out of spec. I mean keymod was a decade ago

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      I don’t think rail dimensions have changed though

    • @Jessersadler
      @Jessersadler 6 місяців тому

      @4MRRanch I wasn't eluding to specs changing. . . more of a QC issue. Like with any manufacturing, the longer something is made, the better the process is. 10 years in manufacturing is a crazy long time for processes to be refined.
      I actually just Junked an upper that's been sitting, finally got to building it, and the retention roll pin for the forward assist was crazy off where it should have been. And the company is out of business now.

  • @lord-REDACTED-
    @lord-REDACTED- 6 місяців тому

    Could use 550 cord guts ad a lanyard for battery cap.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      For me, I don’t think the lanyard will be necessary, but this is a good idea.

    • @MH_6160
      @MH_6160 6 місяців тому

      Or just buy a real battery retention strap from a NGAL it is a direct fit… as are the diffusers 🙂

  • @3dsyndicate65
    @3dsyndicate65 6 місяців тому +1

    First

  • @V1kingBro
    @V1kingBro 6 місяців тому

    I paused the video after I heard $4000.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      The real L3 NGAL is $4k, this is $400- $450 depending on laser color.

  • @Random_Quads
    @Random_Quads 6 місяців тому

    I've heard they are not durable in the long run.

    • @MH_6160
      @MH_6160 6 місяців тому +1

      define long run.. the new revision has been out for less than Maybe 3 months.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      Only time will tell as this is a new unit. The plastic versions have a higher failure rate long term due to housing damage/cracking

    • @Random_Quads
      @Random_Quads 6 місяців тому

      @@MH_6160 either brass facts or hop did a review after 6 months. Maybe it was an older version?

  • @temper44
    @temper44 4 місяці тому

    It looks like the Chinese are good at building things, but they just don't have the experience in shooting and testing to refine their gear that well. Or even iterate on their own designs. You guys at 4MR should take out a second mortgage, take a trip over there and set up a small workshop and see what kind of products you could make if you use the existing supplier network there, but tune the products using your shooting and end customer expertise. You could probably take a product off the shelf there, tune it, package it with proper manuals for the US market, brand it with your 4MR name and make some money. You could probably even make L3 blush for charging with they do.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  4 місяці тому

      There is a TON of U.S. regulations for producing and selling these kind of devices. Not a headache I’d currently want to deal with. This is a why I believe Somogear markets as Airsoft toys even though they seem to be viable devices.

    • @temper44
      @temper44 4 місяці тому

      @@4MRRanch That makes sense. It would be funny if you went over there and took over the market with your expertise though.

  • @ch0r1z0grand3
    @ch0r1z0grand3 4 місяці тому

    M4sdk doesn’t get enough credit compared to other cans

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  4 місяці тому +1

      I absolutely love it

  • @jasonbailey9302
    @jasonbailey9302 5 місяців тому

    $4k NGALs need rezero, of course the China-NGAL will.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  5 місяців тому

      Correct, but I wanted to see if it just walked all over the place or not.

    • @lorteti
      @lorteti 5 місяців тому +1

      Nope, the Chinese IS ngal doesn't loose zero, even after several drops on concrete.

  • @kwhitney6238
    @kwhitney6238 16 днів тому

    Never put rubber on your unit

  • @BloodEagleTactical
    @BloodEagleTactical 6 місяців тому

    For that price and it being a real piece of crap is a disaster. Cant be leave that. Oh never mind I found out the issue with it! Its made for airsoft only! It says so on their homepage that it will not fit properly or work properly because of that.

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому +1

      There is a good chance they claim Airsoft only due to restrictions on laser strength.

  • @dirtycommtroop
    @dirtycommtroop 6 місяців тому

    It looks used

    • @4MRRanch
      @4MRRanch  6 місяців тому

      This is typical for the NGAL finish. It has a worn look to it. My close up shots I recorded were after use though.