Well after seeing Horus walking, it felt really bad. Emperor loved and trusted him most, he had it all, humanity almost achieved peace but all lost. I will shed tears when I will see Sanguinius for sure
Without chaos peace would have only come to humanity through its death. Between necrons and tyranids humanity is fucked without divine intervention and even then it's looking bad.
@@synysterwolf1289 Agree to disagree. Baal was almost fucked by a single fleet and it would have if not for the intervention of the Ultramarines and a small daemonic incursion on one of the moons.
I agree with the notion of some of the Primarchs where always destined to fall. The interesting thing about Angron (I forget where I read it) orginally he was an extremely powerful empath or was destined to be (his special ability if you will) but the Butcher's nails distroyed that and in turn he lost his Primarch "Aura" that left many Astartes in awe of their physical presence.
Didn’t his legion have the most amount of marines who didn’t turn traitor because he didn’t have his aura i may be talking out of my ass but i think that’s correct
@@ncis501 true although it most likely he wouldn't have turned traitor himself without the nails and in so could have helped prevent some of his brothers from doing so with his ability intact especially konrad I think
The legions, unlike the thunder warriors, were meant to be self-disposing. Big E kept in a few oddballs to stir the pot for when he was done with them.
@@ncis501 Word Bearers all but one Word Bearer betrayed the Emperor, only reason Lorgar purged a piece of his legion was because he didn't like them they were completely loyal to Lorgar except for a Dreadnought who fought during the Unification Wars who later meets with Roboute Guilliman after he returned
@@jerelly9469 As a loyal follower of Commander Farsight? It saddens me seeing such utter waste, but let the Gue'la kill each other as they always wish to. We have other concerns.
@@Ciffer-1998Knights are the size of buildings while Titans are the size of skyscrapers… A single Knight can most likely win a battle, A single Titan means the enemy is utterly f***ked unless they can bombard the hell out of it
bro you are in for a TREAT. the Horus Heresy has some fantastic novels, and not just featuring the Luna Wolves. Know No Fear is one of my favorites, detailing the Betrayal at Calth
There are a lot of good books in the Horus Heresy series, but there's more than its fair share of mediocre slogs too. I've read every single one of the primary series as well as some of the Primarch novels. The highs are glorious and great, but there was a lot of times I was just screaming for them to just get on with it. Being 40+ books in, you're going to get tired about hearing about Istvaan.
@@Chromevod It's understandable though - what happened at Istvaan was an incredibly monumental event/catastrophe for all of the legions & by extension humanity.
Perturabo was tricked by Horus into turning traitor, after Perturabo purged his planet for rebelling against the imperium. Also, all the crap war assignments that iron warrior were given were given to them by Horus to break the legion and it's primarchs spirit making it easier to turn them.
I don't think this is true. I feel like Perturabo had all the roots in him to betray sooner or later anyways. He always felt underestimated by his brothers even though considering himself much more intelligent than all of them. The lack of recognition from his brothers and father is what turned him traitor mostly. And speaking of breaking the Iron Warriors' and Perturabo's spirit, this is kinda false, as this is one of the few legions that had never truly been broken and didn't really change even after turning heretic. Perturabo may have been the smartest of all the Primarchs, he understood what Horus was trying to do and only followed him because he agreed to betray, while despising Horus and his schemes. The only Primarch that was tricked by Horus was Russ, which led the to the betrayal of Magnus and his Thousand Sons.
@@Casimir2811 Horus Slowly broke both the iron warriors and Perturabo's spirit leading up to the start of the Horus Heresy, by giving them crap war assignments as well as the worst siege battles. The Horus Heresy: Primarchs book about Perturabo goes over a lot what happened to push Perturabo into betraying the emperor. The Iron warriors weren't always the doom and gloom legion they became at the start of the Heresy. Yes Both the legion and Primarch were methodical and unfeeling, but that's because of the way his mind worked. !Spoiler alert! For Perturabo: The Hammer of Olympia: Primarchs: The Horus Heresy After Perturabo finished purging his home planet of Olympia, he doubted the emperor would forgive him for purging the planet and Horus played on the doubt to convince Perturabo to join him in turning traitor. If Perturabo believed that was a chance that the emperor would have forgiven him for purging his home planet he would of remained loyal to the emperor and turned on Horus. While Perturabo had his doubts about the emperor, he was over all still loyal to him up to that point. Yes, while he and his legion were looked down upon and their strength was underestimated a few of his brothers saw what Perturabo was truly capable of.
Perturabo got the shit jobs long before Horus conspiried against the Emperor and another part as to why he got so pissed is because Big E gave the mission to build the imperial palace to Dorn and not Perturabo
One phrase from the Empower could have maybe made a dent in Horus' logic. "Knowing about Chaos gives it power over you. I was trying to rid the universe of chaos by wiping out all memory of it."
Chaos doesn't gain power from worship rather than it feeds off sentient life's raw emotions and feelings. It will always be there and find a way through. That's why the emperor was trying to get the webway to keep humanity away from chaos.
@@GypsyDaenger It does gain power though. It survives from emotion and feelings. But that isn't enough to allow it into the material universe. For that, it needs worship (and/or psykers). The chaos gods are false, not real. But believing in them in the real world makes them real.
@@JagonathNo, they're very real with or without belief. The Emperor's plan had a lot of holes, for example while it weakened Chaos, it also came with a huge cost to the Psykers in Humanity, and in 40k there's a simple fact that humans are gradually evolving into a psychic race, which means that the Emperor's plans were bound to hit every roadblock possible, or be doomed to fail at some point regardless of what he tried. This is also without mentioning that warp entities (I mean stuff like Enslavers as well as daemons) do not require Psykers to make bargains with them, they just need to find a particularly strong Psyker with a weaker mind.
Trust me, my favorite legions are the blood angels and Luna wolves. I share your pain in regards to the Luna wolves, and as a nod went about creating a home brew chapter of Luna wolf gene-stock called the Dire Wolves. Highly improbable, still in the works, but nonetheless, I share your pain.
@@ooverlord indeed so, as well as some of the firstborn chapters before Primaris. To clarify my Dire Wolves are firstborn astartes instead of Primaris, though when they’re introduced, I haven’t fully settled on how Primaris Dire Wolves would be handled. For my Dire wolves due to some stories involved Endryd Haar and a few other black shield rogues during the heresy, my Dire Wolves are simply a hunter cadre of many others tasked with hunting down black shield, rogue elements. They essentially defected purging the ones still loyal to Horus and had to sit out the heresy due to thinking it better to not provoke a beast already on the war path. That’s sorta the long of short. Me utilizing something that’s possibly but highly unlikely and of course putting it in a hypothetical. Afterall if night lords, iron warriors, and emperor’s children gene-seed could be used and possibly other traitors stock, why not Horus as well? Due to my ignorance of already existing possibly Horus gene-based first born chapters in the canon, at least for me, the Dire Wolves are my answer even if entirely hypothetical.
You skipped over the whole Thuder Warrior thing, which isn't really that important on the Galactic scale but is important to show the deceiving nature of the Emperor
True. But I'm also not entirely sure about how much of that is known by the Primarchs and Astartes in the Crusade era (there may be gaps in my HH lore, however).
I love how they release these fucking amazing trailers, yet refuse to make actual content like this as a tv shwo or some shit, rather just using it as promo for a new edition of the game. Like fuck sake.
I think you severely underestimate how much effort and resources go into making something like this. If they sunk enough resources into a full length movie of this quality, if it doesn’t make box office or appeal to mass audience, it can easily bankrupt a company.
@@FormedBox Um no. This quality isn’t on the level of Pixar or Dreamworks. UA-camrs have made 40k animations better then this, the reason why it’s so good is the voice acting by the man playing Horus and the atmosphere.
@@toddfrombethesda6963 not current Pixar or dreamworks maybe, but this is higher quality than Spirits Within and I don’t think I have to remind anyone what happened there.
You’re also missing the part about appealing to mass audience. What do Pixar and dreamworks films have that 40k content wouldn’t? A MASSIVE following of family and children audiences who will always pay to see those movies.
@@FormedBox you would be surprised at how well marketing does for a movie. Games workshop aren’t a struggling company they are worth billions, and there are millions of loyal fans that will watch a 40k film, and it won’t cost they the ludicrous amount a Pixar film costs because they don’t need to develop there own technology to make it look good because Pixar and dreamworks and many other studios directly involved in filmmaking or in developing tech and software have made the tech capable of making animations with much more ease and time effectiveness, you don’t need supercomputers to make animation of this quality. I mean the company is worth more profitable then google and is set to be 8.6 billion dollars worth in 2023.
Connor, Nathaniel Garro and a handful of his warriors made it back to Terra as detailed in the Black Library. Galaxy in flames and Flight of the Eisenstein. I know they don’t make a Legion though.
@@YOGI-kb9tg I just finished The Buried Dagger, which is the last book before the Siege of Terra begins, and it finishes with Malcador sending the original 8 Grey Knights to Titan to begin the millennia-long process of growing the legion. I don't remember there being a thousand son among them, but there was mentioned a member in a hood who said nothing but their newly given name during their knightly oath before embarking through the rift to Titan. That could be who you're talking about. Garro and Loken refused the task to fight in the Siege of Terra, but Rubio of the Ultramarines stayed.
@@RIPFerrus i think thats correct the lore is he was a thousands son who wasnt on prospero and went to terra and found out what became of the traitors and his legion but with the thousands sons curse malcador sought a cure which they found and he became the first grand master of the grey knights.
@@YOGI-kb9tg Small correction here, Garro was a Death guard (Former Dusk Raiders) captain, not a thousand son. He escaped Istvaan to notify Terra of the betrayal that happened there.
This is a heck of a cinematic. Horus really thought he was doing the right thing. I think all the way until he died, he thought he was doing the right thing. There were Sons of Horus who remained loyal to the Emperor and took the old name, Luna Wolves. Some fan theories make the Blood Ravens of Dawn of War fame (or infamy :p ) out as descendants of that small group of black shields or other similar forces. (for those who are not 40K nerds, Black Shields were Space Marines who rebelled against their primarchs, loyal or heretic)
Just a slight correction a black shield is a marine who has for sworn loyalty to their chapter or legion in service to someone or something else. The black watch for example are all black shields
Many philosophers have observed that this is the true, tragic nature of so much that we think of as evil - no matter how terrible their actions are in the judgement of history, very few individuals willingly and consciously undertake actions that they themselves see as evil for no reason. People always think their decisions, no matter how horrifying, are justified. That they pursue some higher purpose that will ultimately vindicate their choices. Add in the fact that Horus had assumed that he could bend the Ruinous Powers to his own will, and did not see the subtle ways in which they were warping his mind and corrupting his perceptions until it was far too late, and you can see how easily he could convince himself that he was on the 'right side of history'. Plus there is the fact that the Emperor himself was no sweetheart either, creating the Primarchs and the Astartes Legions to be used as disposable tools in pursuit of his own power, and thinking nothing of inflicting solar system wide genocide in order to secure his rule. The Emperor himself would also have viewed all those actions as wholly justified in pursuit of his higher goal, that he also saw as ensuring the survival of humanity. Ironically enough, a case can be made that the real problem was that Horus and the Emperor were too much alike in disposition and worldview in that regard. Like father like genes-son, with catastrophic results on a galactic scale.
There are black shield titans, as well. Legio Tritonis (The Dark Tide) were originally part of the loyalist Legio Venetor (Iron Spiders), but declared independence while their comrades were off fighting the traitors.
Great video. I'm new to the 40k universe, but for the life of me why doesn't some studio, Amazon, Netflix, anyone make a series of this world? I know with the lore alone they'd never run out of material.
There were loyalists among the Luna Wolves, they took a temporary name of Emperor's Wolves from a company of them that served before Horus was found. After the Heresy they disappeared into the second founding being put into records under a new name as successors of a different legion. Many of the loyalists were either rebranded as being from a different legion or have had their origin redacted by the inquisition. Same for almost all loyalists who survived the Heresy, they either had their connections hidden or dispersed into other chapters in the second founding.
you are so right the first HH books where so fucking good its insane, and its also insane how many absolutely random fucking tangents this series takes. Im on book 20 and holy fuck sometimes i feel like im watching an anime there is so much random filler.
@@Instar_nine I know what it is, been well into the game and lore since 2nd edition 40k. Was just hoping that it could have also been a sneak peak at a high quality show in the works.
This was a really great summation of the heresy. It's such a massive story (spanning 60+ books) and I hadn't heard it explained so concisely. Really cool video. I had seen you on Destiny's stream and had no idea you did react vids and knew so much about 30k/40k. Do you just read the books or do you play? Also, you can 100% play as loyalist Luna Wolves in 30K/Heresy. I've seen some really cool armies done that way w/ the Justaerin, Loken and all the cool characters.
You need some lore updates on the Emperor and the scattering of the Primarchs. Start with Master of Mankind! Hate was the only thing keeping Angron alive. Horus, Lorgar, even the Khan assumed the Emperor had any choice outside of his duty to humanity.. The big E was forged for that duty, lived for that duty, died for that duty and was betrayed for doing his duty
lets just hope we get this kind of action in space marine 2 and i hope there is coop camp and expanded multy my expectations are low but gw has a lot going with these titles that are coming pray to the emperor they dont fuck it up
16:00 No, that is opening a can of worms that should not be opened. Multiverse shenanigans should used sparingly, not as a crutch for a setting. Just like Time Travel, the first rule about it is "Don't".
Well I don´t think Big E. LET Erda send the Primarchs away. At least that is not the way it came across in the books. And as far as I know, he only told one Primarch about the powers of chaos. We can speculate which one that might have been...*wink wink*
My bro, if you think and or believe that Cawl didn't make primaris Luna Wolves, well then I got a bridge I can sell ya... hahahahaha. Having said that, he probably didn't call them that, but you can totally paint some that way and be totally lore legit. I can't get over how good this clip is, from the writing to the animation to the action, it's so good and I'm so jonesing for more. This is exactly what I was hoping for when warhammer+ was announced. I'm totally gonna get into HH when it drops, more Alpha's for the win baby!
I've actually been thinking of doing a primaris whit scars successor chapter, but in recognition of the relationship between the "Star Hunters" (White Scars) and "Luna Wolves" (Sons of Horus), I might try to incorporate the SOH "eye" symbol into my insignia.
The primarchs where, I feel, built to each fit certian roles. Dorn the builder Pertarabo the architect Guilliman the politician Horus the diplomat Magnus the astronomicon Alpharius the spy Russ the executioner Vulcan the guardian I'm unsure what the roles of the others are suited for yet, but I'm sure you guys have some ideas ;)
I saw that trailer this morning and was blown away. I haven't gone to check out the site yet, so I don't know if this is a teaser for a new Horus Heresy edition or if they're going to be making a Horus Heresy animation, or if they just decided to make a new, awesome animation.
I think it's likely the Emperor was using the Primarchs and Space Marines as he used the Thunder Warriors and after the Great Crusade was planning on having them "die off" and be replaced with is final guardians of Mankind, the Custodians. This is why the relations between the Custodians and Space Marines is the way it is, they view them as relics that should have died off, but now due to current circumstances have decided instead to keep them going for now.
I doubt it. The thunder warriors were literally created to be expendable and instable, nothing but a momentary asset. The space marines were likely created to be eternal watchmen, meant to keep vigil over the imperium. This is why the space marines are actually taught skills, and know how to create art, act as diplomats, etc. I fully believe the Chaos gods just used the thunder warriors as a thread of doubt, and was nothing more than a way to bring fear into the primarchs and a belief that they would be thrown away. Unfortunately, we will never know the true.
The Thunder Warriors had to go - I mean would you want unstable, psychotic, roided guys with nukes running around? The SM were stable so I don't see him removing them - they are an asset after all. But maybe he would have lowered the producing speed of new ones.
Tho Angron was made as an Empath. but due to the nails hammered in to his skull.. .. he turned in to hulk. he was never created as a berserker.. or did lore change ?
Nope, he was meant to be an empath and heal and counsel.... instead he was broken and could never fulfill his intended role. Wonder if Perturabo and Konrad would've fallen if Angron was around as intended and would've felt their problems and tried to help them deal with it.
horus and angron are my favorite primarchs and this vid is so cool, only thing i would have wished was to see horus fight more. but that would have just been the cherry on top
My question, is why hasn't this been made into a movie??? Or even a show series? Like this is epic! But it's just advertisement for the tabletop. Come on GW! Stop sleeping on your community and give us the goods! Make this a movie!
I dream Clonegrim is released and goes back to the Imperium and is allowed to build a new Emperor's Children chapter... their original color scheme was great.
i would argue that Horus was recruited by the Word bearers legion. Im actually listening to the heresy on audible and im relearning a few things I had forgot. I forgot that horus wasnt deluded or deceived. He saw through the deception... and embraced it anyways.
Didn’t really like Horus voice but the trailer in general made me so fucking hype for this. I’m hoping they’ll eventually bring plastic solar auxila at some point.
4:30 - There USED to be loyalist Luna Wolves, but Horus went to great lengths to eliminate ANY within his own Legion that might have shown the LEAST bit of loyalty towards the Emperor. They were the ones who were wiped out during the Istvan-4 campaign. Only a few loyalists managed to escape (like Garviel and the Half-Heard) but they constituted only a fraction of a percent of the entirety of the Sons of Horus. Between Horus' purge and the influence of the Lodges, the corruption of the Luna Wolves was almost complete.
You are wrong about the future Horus saw - he saw the consequences of his own heresy, without realising it, and blamed the emperor for it. To be fair he was given no context and ended up on a world dedicated to emperor worship - but that doesn't change the fact he was tricked. Also, the current 40k setting is the chaos victory - if they actually "won" then nothing would be left to empower them - instead they have a galaxy permanently on thr brink, permanently at total war - they couldn't ask for more...
there now reason you can't play lunar wolves as loyalists in 40k, option 1 a pre heresy lunar wolves ship got lost in the warp and has just returned to real space. option 2 via the primaris project. option 3 hiden in plain sight the minators = ironwarriors and the blood raverns = thousandsons
The thing is it seems the god emperor expected the civil war to happen to propel him to the level of a god of humanity and to bring chaos into the material so it can be destroyed. He knew Horus would die one way or another and his war would solidify the Emperor of Mankind s godly hood and the cult religion it formed.
So, I gotta ask; what is this animation actually advertising? A new edition of the Tabletop game, a video game, a new novel, a new model line? They never actually say in the ad, and I cannot find out what this is going to be.
The whole Horus Heresy is tragic and dare I say, philosophical. Horus's turn to chaos is a tragedy itself like Hamlet; and in a way he was played by the Chaos gods in showing him "the horrible future" he saw in which he needs to die to happen, to actually happen because of his wanting it to not happen. Ala, Fates/Destiny sort of thing. Also what's so appealing about 30K is that Space Marines are basically the Imperial Guard here, they are the line infantry. This is HALO on steroids instead of the monk-priest special forces type of 40K. Also there's 63+ books to read so....
Angron's situation was worse than that due to the Butcher's Nails, and if he didn't have it, there was a likelihood he would've gone renegade still. Only difference, he's only standing against how the Emperor would be doing things, but otherwise still a staunch ally of humanity
Many of the traitor Primarchs have reasons for turning traitor that we, as outside observers, can see for the tragic irony they are: -The whole vision quest Horus was sent on was a setup, especially since the potential future he was shown, where the Emperor was the god of mankind and Horus and the (future) traitor Primarchs were removed from all records, was basically the future we know as 40k. -Nigh Haunter is driven insane by his visions, because he believes that they are set in stone and can't be changed. -Mortarion was extremely distrustful of psykers and manipulated from multiple sides into siding with Horus under the pretense, that Horus would uphold the ban on psykers and the Emperor was the one making deals with daemons. -Angron was an empath, but the Butcher's Nails turned that against him in the worst way. The Emperor only saving him and leaving his warband to die definitely didn't help and is way up there as one of the biggest goofs big E did during the crusade alone. -Magnus tried to warn the Emperor but in doing so ruined his webway project. The Space Wolves were sent to retrieve him to Terra, but Horus changed the orders so Leman Russ thought he was sent to execute him. He was on the fence for most of the Heresy and only decided to side with Horus because he wanted the fragments of his soul back, the biggest of which was on Terra -At least a part of the grueling assignments given to Perturabo were given to him by Horus to increase his frustration. It's maybe worth noting that he actually really hated war, as far as I understand him. He had archives full of building plans for theaters, art galleries etc. and no indication that he'd ever get rid of his place in the imperial war machine. -Alpharius and Omegon are weird, given that it's not even clear if either of them truly turned traitor, were acting as double agents for the alien conclave (who though Horus would exterminate humanity if he won, removing the greatest source of power for Chaos) or actually for the Emperor. -Lorgar was primed to fall to Chaos by his adoptive father, and the Emperor doing another big goof when reprimanding him definitely didn't help either. Honestly, the only one I have a problem finding a really tragic angle is Fulgrim, at least with how little resistance he seemed to put up against the daemon in his sword corrupting and later temporarily possessing him. All of them went all in at some point during or after the Heresy though, so as tragic as it all is, they could have turned back at least for a while after the initial decision to turn traitor was made, even if it would have been at the cost of their lives, and probably the lives of their legions. It is worth noting that a lot of the reasons also include either very bad or a complete lack of communication from the Emperor to the respective Primarchs, starting with being honest with all of them regarding the whole Chaos thing and/or the plans he had for them after the crusade. Though some of the big goofs, like with Angron and Lorgar, go way beyond his bad communication. Him ruining his own plans at the last minute by distrusting reliable allies is a theme with him. It would be out of character for him to suddenly think his secrecy thing through at the last ditch effort that is called the great crusade.
Hey counter points fun fact the shadow wolves chapter are descendent from the loyal luna wolves tho the sad part is that they all died fight the nids ):
I love the Thousand Sons legion. I like to think that Magnus was a kind of bridge between humanity and warp's beings. Maybe mankind should have to learn to master the psychic powers to evolve and be less terrified about the warp dimension. Thousand Sons lore is tragic ❤
All the powers and abilities the Emperor had at his disposal, yet not one was the foresight of how screwed up Horus was becoming.... Can't wait to see more of this, and hopefully some 30K merch along the way
You *can* play a Loyalist Luna Wolves breakaway chapter. Why would you not? I've actually conceptualized a breakaway Traitor Blood Angels chapter, just for narrative purposes when I play my Loyalist friends. Many Legions have their black sheep. You do you!
I want someone to make a channel that takes a philosophical examination of current events. Some what of a debate and try's to put a historical perspective on modern society and the direction we may be heading.
You could always make a primaris marine chapter of the Luna wolves, after all Cawl has said that he's managed to purge the flaw in all of the gene seeds and is actively trying to convince guillaman to let him use traitor gene seeds to make some primaris, who's to say that sneaky bastard hasn't already?
I think Cawl made all the legions, the traitors are just in stasis. Just gene flaws weren't the main problem. E.g. Blood Angels have tonnes of gene flaws but are loyal. World Eaters have no gene flaws to speak of (they have the nails but that isn't genetic) but are traitor.
@@Jagonath oh you know it, if Cawl can do it. He has done it, if G man gave him the go ahead he'd have a legion of loyal world eaters ready in a month lol
@@mikewillis9537 I would personally like to see it. Loyal traitor chapters (even if G man only did it on a trial basis) would be awesome. Plus, G man's idea was dumb. The traitors didn't turn traitor because of geneseed flaws, they did it because the Primarchs ordered them to.
I am aware of how the Thunder Warriors were treated upon their usefulness expiring, but were the Primarchs aware? I am aware of the fact the Primarchs knew of the ruinous powers, but did they know the full extent? An finally Horus was aware that he was in a vision, a vision " granted" to him after he was struck by a cursed blade, an then " healed" inside a chaos temple. That all being said, was then the vision true? After all, it was Ereberus egging him on.
Well after seeing Horus walking, it felt really bad. Emperor loved and trusted him most, he had it all, humanity almost achieved peace but all lost. I will shed tears when I will see Sanguinius for sure
Without chaos peace would have only come to humanity through its death. Between necrons and tyranids humanity is fucked without divine intervention and even then it's looking bad.
@@shadowstep1375 nah old imperium was op as hell. If the heresy didn't happen they could beat back the nids and necron
@@synysterwolf1289 Agree to disagree. Baal was almost fucked by a single fleet and it would have if not for the intervention of the Ultramarines and a small daemonic incursion on one of the moons.
Without Chaos the Imperium has no space marines.
Or, arguably, faster than light travel
I agree with the notion of some of the Primarchs where always destined to fall. The interesting thing about Angron (I forget where I read it) orginally he was an extremely powerful empath or was destined to be (his special ability if you will) but the Butcher's nails distroyed that and in turn he lost his Primarch "Aura" that left many Astartes in awe of their physical presence.
Didn’t his legion have the most amount of marines who didn’t turn traitor because he didn’t have his aura i may be talking out of my ass but i think that’s correct
@@ncis501 pretty sure it is correct
@@ncis501 true although it most likely he wouldn't have turned traitor himself without the nails and in so could have helped prevent some of his brothers from doing so with his ability intact especially konrad I think
The legions, unlike the thunder warriors, were meant to be self-disposing. Big E kept in a few oddballs to stir the pot for when he was done with them.
@@ncis501 Word Bearers all but one Word Bearer betrayed the Emperor, only reason Lorgar purged a piece of his legion was because he didn't like them they were completely loyal to Lorgar except for a Dreadnought who fought during the Unification Wars who later meets with Roboute Guilliman after he returned
As a proud son of Rogal Dorn, I love this trailer, but at the same time, to see so many Imperial Fists die hurts me every time I watch it.
As an iron Warriors fan I felt nothing but joy to see the imperial fists suffer
@@jerelly9469 As a loyal follower of Commander Farsight? It saddens me seeing such utter waste, but let the Gue'la kill each other as they always wish to.
We have other concerns.
It was weird seeing valrak laugh while imperial fist die
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Glad it wasn't just me who thought that.
They consider it an honor to give their lives.
Those titans roaming the battlefield at dusk is such a terrifying sight
on me
is there difference btw Titans and Knights beside the obvious size, when i watched that trailer i thought thats just another knight
@@Ciffer-1998Knights are the size of buildings while Titans are the size of skyscrapers…
A single Knight can most likely win a battle, A single Titan means the enemy is utterly f***ked unless they can bombard the hell out of it
@@Ciffer-1998knights can be 20 meters tall but those are warlords which can be upwards to 40 to 50 meters
@@mitchelarchbold9219 but both warlords and knights are different from titans right?
This trailer couldn't have dropped at better time for me. I just finished False Gods yesterday and I'm about to get Galaxy in Flames SO FUCKING GOOD.
bro you are in for a TREAT. the Horus Heresy has some fantastic novels, and not just featuring the Luna Wolves. Know No Fear is one of my favorites, detailing the Betrayal at Calth
@@PopeMetallicus I can't wait.
Emperor protects
Yeah dude... you are in for an amazingly well written story.
There are a lot of good books in the Horus Heresy series, but there's more than its fair share of mediocre slogs too.
I've read every single one of the primary series as well as some of the Primarch novels. The highs are glorious and great, but there was a lot of times I was just screaming for them to just get on with it. Being 40+ books in, you're going to get tired about hearing about Istvaan.
@@Chromevod It's understandable though - what happened at Istvaan was an incredibly monumental event/catastrophe for all of the legions & by extension humanity.
Perturabo was tricked by Horus into turning traitor, after Perturabo purged his planet for rebelling against the imperium. Also, all the crap war assignments that iron warrior were given were given to them by Horus to break the legion and it's primarchs spirit making it easier to turn them.
Fuck the Imperium
Party was expecting to be punished by the emperor. Horus told him he understood why he did it. That’s why he loyalty to Horus.
I don't think this is true.
I feel like Perturabo had all the roots in him to betray sooner or later anyways. He always felt underestimated by his brothers even though considering himself much more intelligent than all of them. The lack of recognition from his brothers and father is what turned him traitor mostly.
And speaking of breaking the Iron Warriors' and Perturabo's spirit, this is kinda false, as this is one of the few legions that had never truly been broken and didn't really change even after turning heretic. Perturabo may have been the smartest of all the Primarchs, he understood what Horus was trying to do and only followed him because he agreed to betray, while despising Horus and his schemes.
The only Primarch that was tricked by Horus was Russ, which led the to the betrayal of Magnus and his Thousand Sons.
@@Casimir2811 Horus Slowly broke both the iron warriors and Perturabo's spirit leading up to the start of the Horus Heresy, by giving them crap war assignments as well as the worst siege battles. The Horus Heresy: Primarchs book about Perturabo goes over a lot what happened to push Perturabo into betraying the emperor. The Iron warriors weren't always the doom and gloom legion they became at the start of the Heresy. Yes Both the legion and Primarch were methodical and unfeeling, but that's because of the way his mind worked.
!Spoiler alert! For Perturabo: The Hammer of Olympia: Primarchs: The Horus Heresy
After Perturabo finished purging his home planet of Olympia, he doubted the emperor would forgive him for purging the planet and Horus played on the doubt to convince Perturabo to join him in turning traitor. If Perturabo believed that was a chance that the emperor would have forgiven him for purging his home planet he would of remained loyal to the emperor and turned on Horus. While Perturabo had his doubts about the emperor, he was over all still loyal to him up to that point. Yes, while he and his legion were looked down upon and their strength was underestimated a few of his brothers saw what Perturabo was truly capable of.
Perturabo got the shit jobs long before Horus conspiried against the Emperor and another part as to why he got so pissed is because Big E gave the mission to build the imperial palace to Dorn and not Perturabo
One phrase from the Empower could have maybe made a dent in Horus' logic. "Knowing about Chaos gives it power over you. I was trying to rid the universe of chaos by wiping out all memory of it."
Chaos doesn't gain power from worship rather than it feeds off sentient life's raw emotions and feelings. It will always be there and find a way through. That's why the emperor was trying to get the webway to keep humanity away from chaos.
@@GypsyDaenger It does gain power though. It survives from emotion and feelings. But that isn't enough to allow it into the material universe. For that, it needs worship (and/or psykers). The chaos gods are false, not real. But believing in them in the real world makes them real.
@@JagonathNo, they're very real with or without belief. The Emperor's plan had a lot of holes, for example while it weakened Chaos, it also came with a huge cost to the Psykers in Humanity, and in 40k there's a simple fact that humans are gradually evolving into a psychic race, which means that the Emperor's plans were bound to hit every roadblock possible, or be doomed to fail at some point regardless of what he tried. This is also without mentioning that warp entities (I mean stuff like Enslavers as well as daemons) do not require Psykers to make bargains with them, they just need to find a particularly strong Psyker with a weaker mind.
Trust me, my favorite legions are the blood angels and Luna wolves. I share your pain in regards to the Luna wolves, and as a nod went about creating a home brew chapter of Luna wolf gene-stock called the Dire Wolves. Highly improbable, still in the works, but nonetheless, I share your pain.
What a based chapter name! Stealing!
@@Counterpoints Many thanks, and you are free to yoink the name
Totally possible to have Luna Wolf genestock if they are Primaris. It's implied Cawl used geneseed from a number of traitor legions.
@@ooverlord indeed so, as well as some of the firstborn chapters before Primaris.
To clarify my Dire Wolves are firstborn astartes instead of Primaris, though when they’re introduced, I haven’t fully settled on how Primaris Dire Wolves would be handled.
For my Dire wolves due to some stories involved Endryd Haar and a few other black shield rogues during the heresy, my Dire Wolves are simply a hunter cadre of many others tasked with hunting down black shield, rogue elements. They essentially defected purging the ones still loyal to Horus and had to sit out the heresy due to thinking it better to not provoke a beast already on the war path. That’s sorta the long of short. Me utilizing something that’s possibly but highly unlikely and of course putting it in a hypothetical.
Afterall if night lords, iron warriors, and emperor’s children gene-seed could be used and possibly other traitors stock, why not Horus as well? Due to my ignorance of already existing possibly Horus gene-based first born chapters in the canon, at least for me, the Dire Wolves are my answer even if entirely hypothetical.
You skipped over the whole Thuder Warrior thing, which isn't really that important on the Galactic scale but is important to show the deceiving nature of the Emperor
True. But I'm also not entirely sure about how much of that is known by the Primarchs and Astartes in the Crusade era (there may be gaps in my HH lore, however).
@@dekai7992 Primarchs might not know. But the astartes were the ones that exterminated the thunder warriors, though a few still live.
Not to mention the primarchs aren't even sure about the total event of the Crusades and question gaps in their memory
Wouldn't call it deceiving to be fair. I mean would you want roided psychotic people with nukes running around?
The Thunder Warriors had become a liability...
This is why GW bought the Astarties fan made movie and hired the guy that made it...
I love how they release these fucking amazing trailers, yet refuse to make actual content like this as a tv shwo or some shit, rather just using it as promo for a new edition of the game. Like fuck sake.
I think you severely underestimate how much effort and resources go into making something like this.
If they sunk enough resources into a full length movie of this quality, if it doesn’t make box office or appeal to mass audience, it can easily bankrupt a company.
@@FormedBox Um no. This quality isn’t on the level of Pixar or Dreamworks. UA-camrs have made 40k animations better then this, the reason why it’s so good is the voice acting by the man playing Horus and the atmosphere.
@@toddfrombethesda6963 not current Pixar or dreamworks maybe, but this is higher quality than Spirits Within and I don’t think I have to remind anyone what happened there.
You’re also missing the part about appealing to mass audience. What do Pixar and dreamworks films have that 40k content wouldn’t? A MASSIVE following of family and children audiences who will always pay to see those movies.
@@FormedBox you would be surprised at how well marketing does for a movie. Games workshop aren’t a struggling company they are worth billions, and there are millions of loyal fans that will watch a 40k film, and it won’t cost they the ludicrous amount a Pixar film costs because they don’t need to develop there own technology to make it look good because Pixar and dreamworks and many other studios directly involved in filmmaking or in developing tech and software have made the tech capable of making animations with much more ease and time effectiveness, you don’t need supercomputers to make animation of this quality. I mean the company is worth more profitable then google and is set to be 8.6 billion dollars worth in 2023.
Connor, Nathaniel Garro and a handful of his warriors made it back to Terra as detailed in the Black Library. Galaxy in flames and Flight of the Eisenstein.
I know they don’t make a Legion though.
i remember the thousands suns guy becomes the leader of the greyknights
@@YOGI-kb9tg I just finished The Buried Dagger, which is the last book before the Siege of Terra begins, and it finishes with Malcador sending the original 8 Grey Knights to Titan to begin the millennia-long process of growing the legion. I don't remember there being a thousand son among them, but there was mentioned a member in a hood who said nothing but their newly given name during their knightly oath before embarking through the rift to Titan. That could be who you're talking about. Garro and Loken refused the task to fight in the Siege of Terra, but Rubio of the Ultramarines stayed.
Yeah, J H, Garro and about 70 other loyalist Death Gaurd of his battle company are present on Terra when the siege begins.
@@RIPFerrus i think thats correct the lore is he was a thousands son who wasnt on prospero and went to terra and found out what became of the traitors and his legion but with the thousands sons curse malcador sought a cure which they found and he became the first grand master of the grey knights.
@@YOGI-kb9tg Small correction here, Garro was a Death guard (Former Dusk Raiders) captain, not a thousand son. He escaped Istvaan to notify Terra of the betrayal that happened there.
This is a heck of a cinematic. Horus really thought he was doing the right thing. I think all the way until he died, he thought he was doing the right thing.
There were Sons of Horus who remained loyal to the Emperor and took the old name, Luna Wolves. Some fan theories make the Blood Ravens of Dawn of War fame (or infamy :p ) out as descendants of that small group of black shields or other similar forces. (for those who are not 40K nerds, Black Shields were Space Marines who rebelled against their primarchs, loyal or heretic)
Just a slight correction a black shield is a marine who has for sworn loyalty to their chapter or legion in service to someone or something else. The black watch for example are all black shields
@@Prophetofthe8thLegion I was not aware of that. Thank you.
@@dwrdwlsn5 no problem
Many philosophers have observed that this is the true, tragic nature of so much that we think of as evil - no matter how terrible their actions are in the judgement of history, very few individuals willingly and consciously undertake actions that they themselves see as evil for no reason. People always think their decisions, no matter how horrifying, are justified. That they pursue some higher purpose that will ultimately vindicate their choices. Add in the fact that Horus had assumed that he could bend the Ruinous Powers to his own will, and did not see the subtle ways in which they were warping his mind and corrupting his perceptions until it was far too late, and you can see how easily he could convince himself that he was on the 'right side of history'.
Plus there is the fact that the Emperor himself was no sweetheart either, creating the Primarchs and the Astartes Legions to be used as disposable tools in pursuit of his own power, and thinking nothing of inflicting solar system wide genocide in order to secure his rule. The Emperor himself would also have viewed all those actions as wholly justified in pursuit of his higher goal, that he also saw as ensuring the survival of humanity. Ironically enough, a case can be made that the real problem was that Horus and the Emperor were too much alike in disposition and worldview in that regard. Like father like genes-son, with catastrophic results on a galactic scale.
There are black shield titans, as well. Legio Tritonis (The Dark Tide) were originally part of the loyalist Legio Venetor (Iron Spiders), but declared independence while their comrades were off fighting the traitors.
Love your breakfown vids! Thank you for explaining the background and the lore!
Great video. I'm new to the 40k universe, but for the life of me why doesn't some studio, Amazon, Netflix, anyone make a series of this world? I know with the lore alone they'd never run out of material.
Because they can't make woke stories in 40k so they aren't interested
@@kingfisher1638 lol, let's hope its not that
I would love to see the Horus Heresy as a series. The Horus Heresy has way more room for "artistic mistakes" then the later 40k period
Please no Netflix or Amazon... They would mess it up.
@@HansFlamme as if Warhammer+ isn't any better
There were loyalists among the Luna Wolves, they took a temporary name of Emperor's Wolves from a company of them that served before Horus was found. After the Heresy they disappeared into the second founding being put into records under a new name as successors of a different legion. Many of the loyalists were either rebranded as being from a different legion or have had their origin redacted by the inquisition. Same for almost all loyalists who survived the Heresy, they either had their connections hidden or dispersed into other chapters in the second founding.
Just found your channel, good stuff. You know your stuff. Here's hoping onwards and upwards for you man.
you are so right the first HH books where so fucking good its insane, and its also insane how many absolutely random fucking tangents this series takes. Im on book 20 and holy fuck sometimes i feel like im watching an anime there is so much random filler.
Sad because I want a full trilogy
Based on all the books related to the Horus heresy, you would need an entire cinematic timeline, not just a trilogy 😂
This animation hopefully is part of a project to bring a new series to the Warhammer + line up ;)
mehh, screw warhammer+
It's a trailer for the new edition of the Horus Heresy version of the table top game
This is for the new edition table top game
If you don't know what it is
Where have you been last 12 years
@@Instar_nine I know what it is, been well into the game and lore since 2nd edition 40k. Was just hoping that it could have also been a sneak peak at a high quality show in the works.
yeah but imagine the cost of this quality
This was a really great summation of the heresy. It's such a massive story (spanning 60+ books) and I hadn't heard it explained so concisely. Really cool video. I had seen you on Destiny's stream and had no idea you did react vids and knew so much about 30k/40k. Do you just read the books or do you play? Also, you can 100% play as loyalist Luna Wolves in 30K/Heresy. I've seen some really cool armies done that way w/ the Justaerin, Loken and all the cool characters.
Yeah I play. I have like 3500 in Deathwatch.
You need some lore updates on the Emperor and the scattering of the Primarchs. Start with Master of Mankind! Hate was the only thing keeping Angron alive. Horus, Lorgar, even the Khan assumed the Emperor had any choice outside of his duty to humanity.. The big E was forged for that duty, lived for that duty, died for that duty and was betrayed for doing his duty
Who forged him?
lets just hope we get this kind of action in space marine 2 and i hope there is coop camp and expanded multy my expectations are low but gw has a lot going with these titles that are coming pray to the emperor they dont fuck it up
16:00 No, that is opening a can of worms that should not be opened. Multiverse shenanigans should used sparingly, not as a crutch for a setting. Just like Time Travel, the first rule about it is "Don't".
Well I don´t think Big E. LET Erda send the Primarchs away. At least that is not the way it came across in the books. And as far as I know, he only told one Primarch about the powers of chaos. We can speculate which one that might have been...*wink wink*
i really hope one day gameworkshop put emperor of mankind one day
My bro, if you think and or believe that Cawl didn't make primaris Luna Wolves, well then I got a bridge I can sell ya... hahahahaha. Having said that, he probably didn't call them that, but you can totally paint some that way and be totally lore legit.
I can't get over how good this clip is, from the writing to the animation to the action, it's so good and I'm so jonesing for more. This is exactly what I was hoping for when warhammer+ was announced. I'm totally gonna get into HH when it drops, more Alpha's for the win baby!
I've actually been thinking of doing a primaris whit scars successor chapter, but in recognition of the relationship between the "Star Hunters" (White Scars) and "Luna Wolves" (Sons of Horus), I might try to incorporate the SOH "eye" symbol into my insignia.
I hope by the time they release this WarhammerTV will be available in Philippines.
What is your favorite factions in total war and Warhammer 40k?
The primarchs where, I feel, built to each fit certian roles.
Dorn the builder
Pertarabo the architect
Guilliman the politician
Horus the diplomat
Magnus the astronomicon
Alpharius the spy
Russ the executioner
Vulcan the guardian
I'm unsure what the roles of the others are suited for yet, but I'm sure you guys have some ideas ;)
Three more:
Fulgrim the artist.
Ferrus Manus the engineer/technologist
Corvus Corax the assassin
I've had an interest in this particular part of the WH40K saga for awhile, and you gave a very clear overview of it. Nice job!
Is it a movie or a game , I want to watch full .
I don't know why but love the sight of hundreds of Drop Pods entering the atmosphere.
You know why. 💪
I saw that trailer this morning and was blown away. I haven't gone to check out the site yet, so I don't know if this is a teaser for a new Horus Heresy edition or if they're going to be making a Horus Heresy animation, or if they just decided to make a new, awesome animation.
ITS for the new books and the table top game!! WISH IT WAS A MOVIE OR A VIDEO GAME!!! But I guess I have a reason to buy new minis
I think it's likely the Emperor was using the Primarchs and Space Marines as he used the Thunder Warriors and after the Great Crusade was planning on having them "die off" and be replaced with is final guardians of Mankind, the Custodians. This is why the relations between the Custodians and Space Marines is the way it is, they view them as relics that should have died off, but now due to current circumstances have decided instead to keep them going for now.
I doubt it. The thunder warriors were literally created to be expendable and instable, nothing but a momentary asset. The space marines were likely created to be eternal watchmen, meant to keep vigil over the imperium. This is why the space marines are actually taught skills, and know how to create art, act as diplomats, etc. I fully believe the Chaos gods just used the thunder warriors as a thread of doubt, and was nothing more than a way to bring fear into the primarchs and a belief that they would be thrown away. Unfortunately, we will never know the true.
The Thunder Warriors had to go - I mean would you want unstable, psychotic, roided guys with nukes running around? The SM were stable so I don't see him removing them - they are an asset after all. But maybe he would have lowered the producing speed of new ones.
If I turn my brain off when listening to these warhammer lore videos it really does sound like Alex Jones is talking
Poor Horus. He rebel after seeing a vision of the future where his rebellion succeed to prevent it… This is Tseentch doing… No question asked.
Tho Angron was made as an Empath. but due to the nails hammered in to his skull.. .. he turned in to hulk. he was never created as a berserker.. or did lore change ?
Nope, he was meant to be an empath and heal and counsel.... instead he was broken and could never fulfill his intended role. Wonder if Perturabo and Konrad would've fallen if Angron was around as intended and would've felt their problems and tried to help them deal with it.
horus and angron are my favorite primarchs and this vid is so cool, only thing i would have wished was to see horus fight more. but that would have just been the cherry on top
My question, is why hasn't this been made into a movie??? Or even a show series? Like this is epic! But it's just advertisement for the tabletop. Come on GW! Stop sleeping on your community and give us the goods! Make this a movie!
There might be Loyalist Luna Wolves now because Cawl used Geneseed from all of the 20 Chapters all 20 of them including traitor and the lost ones
I dream Clonegrim is released and goes back to the Imperium and is allowed to build a new Emperor's Children chapter... their original color scheme was great.
@@Fordo007 yes, yeeeessss
Luna wolves in 40k exists in the codex black legion. They are renegades black legionnaires.
i would argue that Horus was recruited by the Word bearers legion. Im actually listening to the heresy on audible and im relearning a few things I had forgot. I forgot that horus wasnt deluded or deceived. He saw through the deception... and embraced it anyways.
Based. I just read the Infinite and the Divine and it was flipping great
Didn’t really like Horus voice but the trailer in general made me so fucking hype for this. I’m hoping they’ll eventually bring plastic solar auxila at some point.
dont forget horuses voice changed the further along he got, he started out with a regal voice the more corrupt he got the more growly his voice became
I think this is made with the help of creator of astartes
i really want gw too put emperor of mankind
To see the size difference of a space marine and a primarch is mind boggling!!!
4:30 - There USED to be loyalist Luna Wolves, but Horus went to great lengths to eliminate ANY within his own Legion that might have shown the LEAST bit of loyalty towards the Emperor. They were the ones who were wiped out during the Istvan-4 campaign. Only a few loyalists managed to escape (like Garviel and the Half-Heard) but they constituted only a fraction of a percent of the entirety of the Sons of Horus.
Between Horus' purge and the influence of the Lodges, the corruption of the Luna Wolves was almost complete.
Quick correction, the purging was on Isstavan lll, with the Dropsite Massacre on Isstvan V
You are wrong about the future Horus saw - he saw the consequences of his own heresy, without realising it, and blamed the emperor for it.
To be fair he was given no context and ended up on a world dedicated to emperor worship - but that doesn't change the fact he was tricked.
Also, the current 40k setting is the chaos victory - if they actually "won" then nothing would be left to empower them - instead they have a galaxy permanently on thr brink, permanently at total war - they couldn't ask for more...
Thanks for the comments, I agree with the hype 100%, if they release the Iron Hands in plastic I'm going all in on HH.
It's wonder how youtube has been spared from inquisition and exterminatus for so long
he misses out the part where dark future was there when the big e was a scientist working on gene seed, as chaos woke up
There are a few loyal Luna Wolves. They, and other loyalist from the traitors, became the Gray Knights.
Finally! A warhammer video that doesn't show Ultramarines!
"Well what happens is this gentleman...Horus Lupercal..."
Uhh...
there now reason you can't play lunar wolves as loyalists in 40k, option 1 a pre heresy lunar wolves ship got lost in the warp and has just returned to real space. option 2 via the primaris project. option 3 hiden in plain sight the minators = ironwarriors and the blood raverns = thousandsons
the Beakys Era
I always like to remember Horus as tripping balls with wolves in the Warp.
Your feelings about the Luna Wolves is probably the feeling a lot of the Imperium had at the time. It's rather appropriate.
The thing is it seems the god emperor expected the civil war to happen to propel him to the level of a god of humanity and to bring chaos into the material so it can be destroyed. He knew Horus would die one way or another and his war would solidify the Emperor of Mankind s godly hood and the cult religion it formed.
Luna Wolf blackshields is always an option
new fan, awesome stuff
So, I gotta ask; what is this animation actually advertising? A new edition of the Tabletop game, a video game, a new novel, a new model line? They never actually say in the ad, and I cannot find out what this is going to be.
Plastic release of Horus Heresy models in a new scale.
In terms of things going up in levels, from Marines to Titans etc, there’s always a bigger fish…
The whole Horus Heresy is tragic and dare I say, philosophical. Horus's turn to chaos is a tragedy itself like Hamlet; and in a way he was played by the Chaos gods in showing him "the horrible future" he saw in which he needs to die to happen, to actually happen because of his wanting it to not happen. Ala, Fates/Destiny sort of thing. Also what's so appealing about 30K is that Space Marines are basically the Imperial Guard here, they are the line infantry. This is HALO on steroids instead of the monk-priest special forces type of 40K. Also there's 63+ books to read so....
Angron's situation was worse than that due to the Butcher's Nails, and if he didn't have it, there was a likelihood he would've gone renegade still. Only difference, he's only standing against how the Emperor would be doing things, but otherwise still a staunch ally of humanity
Greetings, brother Connor. Upon review of this video, the Inquisition would like to have a word with you.
really want legit Luna Wolves stories from the Great Crusade, I actually have some custom Justaerin Termies on hand
Mad max world? Creates super humans? Thunder warriors?
Kick-Butt power armor and a machine gun sign me up! lol
Angron was supposed to be a empath and the butcher nails took that away from him, truly Angron is one of the most tragic Primarchs
Many of the traitor Primarchs have reasons for turning traitor that we, as outside observers, can see for the tragic irony they are:
-The whole vision quest Horus was sent on was a setup, especially since the potential future he was shown, where the Emperor was the god of mankind and Horus and the (future) traitor Primarchs were removed from all records, was basically the future we know as 40k.
-Nigh Haunter is driven insane by his visions, because he believes that they are set in stone and can't be changed.
-Mortarion was extremely distrustful of psykers and manipulated from multiple sides into siding with Horus under the pretense, that Horus would uphold the ban on psykers and the Emperor was the one making deals with daemons.
-Angron was an empath, but the Butcher's Nails turned that against him in the worst way. The Emperor only saving him and leaving his warband to die definitely didn't help and is way up there as one of the biggest goofs big E did during the crusade alone.
-Magnus tried to warn the Emperor but in doing so ruined his webway project. The Space Wolves were sent to retrieve him to Terra, but Horus changed the orders so Leman Russ thought he was sent to execute him. He was on the fence for most of the Heresy and only decided to side with Horus because he wanted the fragments of his soul back, the biggest of which was on Terra
-At least a part of the grueling assignments given to Perturabo were given to him by Horus to increase his frustration. It's maybe worth noting that he actually really hated war, as far as I understand him. He had archives full of building plans for theaters, art galleries etc. and no indication that he'd ever get rid of his place in the imperial war machine.
-Alpharius and Omegon are weird, given that it's not even clear if either of them truly turned traitor, were acting as double agents for the alien conclave (who though Horus would exterminate humanity if he won, removing the greatest source of power for Chaos) or actually for the Emperor.
-Lorgar was primed to fall to Chaos by his adoptive father, and the Emperor doing another big goof when reprimanding him definitely didn't help either.
Honestly, the only one I have a problem finding a really tragic angle is Fulgrim, at least with how little resistance he seemed to put up against the daemon in his sword corrupting and later temporarily possessing him.
All of them went all in at some point during or after the Heresy though, so as tragic as it all is, they could have turned back at least for a while after the initial decision to turn traitor was made, even if it would have been at the cost of their lives, and probably the lives of their legions.
It is worth noting that a lot of the reasons also include either very bad or a complete lack of communication from the Emperor to the respective Primarchs, starting with being honest with all of them regarding the whole Chaos thing and/or the plans he had for them after the crusade. Though some of the big goofs, like with Angron and Lorgar, go way beyond his bad communication.
Him ruining his own plans at the last minute by distrusting reliable allies is a theme with him. It would be out of character for him to suddenly think his secrecy thing through at the last ditch effort that is called the great crusade.
Hey counter points fun fact the shadow wolves chapter are descendent from the loyal luna wolves tho the sad part is that they all died fight the nids ):
I always wondered what those tubes connected to his head/face do… other than him looking badass.
I love the Thousand Sons legion. I like to think that Magnus was a kind of bridge between humanity and warp's beings. Maybe mankind should have to learn to master the psychic powers to evolve and be less terrified about the warp dimension. Thousand Sons lore is tragic ❤
That’s Henry cavil voicing Horus
But can we get a dawn of war Horus heresy??
YEEES Luna Wolves are my fav too and Loken is my fav character in all warhammer hh/40k
Garviel Loken joins the knights errant (grey knights)
Those titan cockpit looks why more Roomier then in the models.
Ultramarines would have turned the Siege of Terra into a Skirmish they had so many troops.
Sadly the toilet seat legion wasn't there, they were busy protecting their own little empire...
Total war style RTS would be pretty sick or maybe even CK3 style.
Trailer was awesome. A lot of hot titan action.
"Stole power from the gods"🙄 he used the warp and the gods consider themselves "the Warp" they are just entities born in it.
im not super sure on the lore, but i think the new-ish thing is emps made a deal with the chaos gods and then reneged.
A loyalist Luna Wolves chapter would be freaking awesome
And would exist under constant observation of the Ordo Hereticus,if they would ever do something questionable,it would be their death sentence...
All the powers and abilities the Emperor had at his disposal, yet not one was the foresight of how screwed up Horus was becoming.... Can't wait to see more of this, and hopefully some 30K merch along the way
Well he was busy at this time with the Webway project, which was incredibly important as it would circumvent using the Warp.
Just to have Magnus destroy it sometime later
LET THE GALAXY BURNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
very insightful as per usual
Love this trailer, watched it a bunch
hopefully we can get all the forgeworld books for horus heresy.
The Emperor is not happy.
Did you edit the name of this video?
Really great video
Wish we would of got to see my boy Kharn ripping through a bunch of boot licking loyalist. "I am the 8 fold path..."
and then The Templar Wreck his ass, PURGE THE UNCLEAN.
Liked and subbed. Keep it up!
It's not actually confirmed if he mass suicide led to the birth of the emperor, i believe its only a theory
4:30 And Torgaddon T_T
You *can* play a Loyalist Luna Wolves breakaway chapter. Why would you not? I've actually conceptualized a breakaway Traitor Blood Angels chapter, just for narrative purposes when I play my Loyalist friends. Many Legions have their black sheep. You do you!
love your content
I want someone to make a channel that takes a philosophical examination of current events. Some what of a debate and try's to put a historical perspective on modern society and the direction we may be heading.
You could always make a primaris marine chapter of the Luna wolves, after all Cawl has said that he's managed to purge the flaw in all of the gene seeds and is actively trying to convince guillaman to let him use traitor gene seeds to make some primaris, who's to say that sneaky bastard hasn't already?
I think Cawl made all the legions, the traitors are just in stasis. Just gene flaws weren't the main problem. E.g. Blood Angels have tonnes of gene flaws but are loyal. World Eaters have no gene flaws to speak of (they have the nails but that isn't genetic) but are traitor.
@@Jagonath oh you know it, if Cawl can do it. He has done it, if G man gave him the go ahead he'd have a legion of loyal world eaters ready in a month lol
@@mikewillis9537 I would personally like to see it. Loyal traitor chapters (even if G man only did it on a trial basis) would be awesome.
Plus, G man's idea was dumb. The traitors didn't turn traitor because of geneseed flaws, they did it because the Primarchs ordered them to.
I am aware of how the Thunder Warriors were treated upon their usefulness expiring, but were the Primarchs aware? I am aware of the fact the Primarchs knew of the ruinous powers, but did they know the full extent? An finally Horus was aware that he was in a vision, a vision " granted" to him after he was struck by a cursed blade, an then " healed" inside a chaos temple. That all being said, was then the vision true? After all, it was Ereberus egging him on.
Worse he created his vision. A worshiped Emperor, dead legions a stagnant humanity.