It would have been greatly improved that's for sure. I might be one of the few people that actually enjoyed playing in WoD, but that doesn't mean that I think it was a great expansion. Personal favorite is wrath tbh.
@@theashenverdict1629 I enjoyed it too, but I also am into Orc lore, and play mostly Orc characters. So seeing Draenor before it was destroyed and seeing the Orcish clans as they used to be was awesome.
@@hirumaredx and instead they gave us skirmishes? It's like promising a homeless man a great place to stay, when there weather is too rough to survive, but instead build a real estate agency so he can dream about how a good place to live in looks like.
I guess if we had just one more raid with perhaps 2-3 bosses it would be more OK but from the announcement I wanted grommash as a boss but not final maybe in the previous raid of hellfire where we brace for the legion expansion or if they were commenting it in different way yh maybe then grommash last boss
It was unironicly my favourite launch because of the insane levels of hype, high quality content and questing... The raids on mythic were amazing too! Then the selfiepatch with twitter came out and I went into the 5 stages of grief. It was really a solid foundation for a really good expansion that could have explored more things about the Ogre's, Draenei and the Orc clans and just completely lacked a proper expansion patch cycle. It's like Shadowlands would end on patch 9.1.
@Keith it's still not worse than bfa. All the systems in WoD COULD have worked. Azerite/corruption was NEVER going to work, nor were islands and piss easy war fronts
@@ZiqpY if they would have just plopped a new zone new raid and dungeon right in the middle of that drought it would have been remembered more fondly ...even if it wasnt main story focused since archimond was dead already
@@xadamx94 bfa was pretty good. it's droughts that kill these games and bfa had a lot of stuff to do that was fun or interesting. we the players are going to make it work to kill the bosses regardless. but we need new stuff every 5 months to do
I was in a job interview, the guy asked me what i did in my spare time and i told him i play wow and he legit asked me if i liked the new expansion (wod) and i said yeah, i really like it! And be just stared at me for a solid 30sec before we kept going, i didnt get the job
probably i will do the same of the of the interviewer, just stare at you with a deep disappointment and then just remove you of the selection process. ( sorry not sorry )
Why would you want to work for a clown anyways? WoD wasn't bad just short. Most bashing on it never played it. WoW community bunch of fakers and hacks.
I remember on my walk home from school stopping by the food court in the mall by my house to get a slice of pizza and talk with my brother about all the cool stuff WoD was gonna bring... 3 days in I quit wow for nearly 2 years.
@@TheEiric Highmail was increadibly good too, i mean the content we got was great. The problem with WoD was there was too little content, not that the content itself sucked.
@@DustGamezX yh I think the same. I wanted shattrath to be a raid in a patch with farahlon, tanaan being endgane zone at 6.0 and maybe all the grommash stuff happening in the zone at the bottom left where probably legion appears and the capture him after he is almost dead and then turning some efforts of the iron horde of fighting back into dust and then having hellfire citadel. You know grommash and then hellfire as the last raid and some redesigned things in draenor and the use maybe of some very small islands where fhere are portal etc. To conclude the content was great it was just little
Agreed. Garrison's were a flop, but everything outside of the garrison's were incredible. The story,, the zones, the dungeons, the raids. Heck, even Ashran was fun to do and made getting full PvP gear easy. The BIGGEST problem with WoD, was the drought. There wasn't enough content, too much was cut.
Definitely! WoD started out amazing! One of the best leveling experience ever had and it was new too. Garrisons we’re fun but I guess they couldn’t find any content that will actually work. Now, they’ll throw anything at us without even listening.
Like WoD took place in an alternate universe, we currently exist in a universe where greed and ineptitude made WoD the worst expansion of all time. Blizzard has gotten progressively worse and worse and expansions have not improved much since. We got the bad ending.
I think WoD was the CRUSH that happend when Blizzard development ideas met a budget set by Activison and they had to cut insane.. and maybe devs working on other games too... and Legion is only as good as it is because lots of devs saw it as their goodbye present and I guess worked lots of overtime..
I read this as I heard them saying that Grommash was gonna be the last boss. That’s exactly what I thought was gonna happen in WoD too, but now I see why it could be that Legion was made. You might be right about Legion!
You also have to think about how Blizzard spends their time making content. Since expansions come out every 2 years or so, some of that time has to go into the next expansion, they are not fully dedicating each of those full 2 years to a single expansion and its content. If Blizz did it any other way, WoD would have probably been a lot better than it turned out to be.
Can we please for the love of god stop with the "it's all Activisions fault" stuff. The companies merged in 2008. WoD came out in 2014. WOTLK, Cata and MoP all released after the merger.
You know, I never really thought about the fact that we fought on a moving train in that dungeon... but there were no train tracks anywhere in the zone. Huh. xD
@@M18_CRYMORE That's really common in game design, actually. Whenever you have the chance to make the environment move instead of the player, take it. Makes physics engines less buggy.
The problem which each expansion is that as soon as its nearly finished they already start work on the next expansion rather then finishing everything that's promised. They are too focused on pushing out expansions rather then giving a complete immersive world.
who was that chode that decided that again. pretty sure they decided to do it on their own rather than a decision by activision. activision needs to fucking get a grip on blizz studios lmao. we've seen magic activision can shit out with sheer monetary investment (trust me bobby is a literal god in his work). it's time to tap into that for overwatch, wow, etc. straight get another studio involved. maybe even slap down a few studios in canada again for the cheap production and high levels of good emplyees. so instead of waiting 5 fucking years for overwatch 2 we wait 2. instead of waiting 7 month for a wow patch we get one every 3. etc.
Nah the problem is new expansions just ditch everything from the previous expansion to give us some new broken system that people will hate until it's fixed in patch X.3.5. It's got to the point they are adding individual (crap) systems every patch now let alone per expansion! If they took every complete system they've ever created and updated them for the new expansion the game might feel good again. They'd still need to kill the real money Token to stop the PTW boost meta though which lets be honest is what's keeping WoW afloat ATM. Time for WoW to die at this point though. No king rules forever.
They pump expansions out because that's the games lifeline. Every expansion release sees millions of players return after they'd quit, not only buying box price but also sub. Even Shadowlands was the most sold PC game ever for a small amount of time.
There was one more feature that was talked about in an interview that was cut. It was planned for you to be able to queue for a dungeon/raid on a character, then go log on to your alt and do your business there and when the instance was ready, you'd hit join from your alt and it would automatically relog you to the character that originally queued up and load the instance. Very handy feature that was scrapped. Also they promised us we would be able to switch main bag and then claimed it wasn't possible with how the inventory infrastructure works in the engine. Then in Legion they added extra space to that bag if you set up a 2-step verification.
The extra slot in the bag is exactly what I expect modern Blizz to "come up" with. They heard the devs having great quality of life ideas and imediatelly think how to turn that into profit ... Forgetting they need to provide the quality first before they can expect the players to pay them for the game.
@@Wroxal I hope it stays free, I am ok with only 2 steps verification, but experience has taught me that most companies start like this and then they add this and that. Then not long after, they start charging money for the simplest service ... while their business guys only changes slot size number from 16 to 20 for example or later in the game the percentage of some odds. Soon the game becomes a gambling corner, not a place for fun. As long as you pay only for decorations or to be able to play the game (like a monthly fee or a single payment), that is ok, but as soon as you start paying for quality of life in game or to get a better item, that game has become a casino and most normal players will start leaving it while only fanatics and addicts will remain playing it. That's why in some games the community is very welcoming to critique, but very offensive in others.
the first idea is actually cool but to be honest with you, if blizzard told me "it's not very practical in technical terms" I would believe them on this xD
I mean thats basically the story of Blizzard. It was one of the most respected companies that seemingly was not able to make a bad game, until they suddenly stopped? I mean wtf
@@xZyrux Absolutely agree with you. I feel like it just did not have enough content, and alot of garrison ideas were thrown out. I feel like they needed to be designed better in a way where we weren't isolated all the time. Trade chat should have been removed, and there should definitely been a hard cap on some things. Like farming herbs in garrison without ever leaving your garrison. Or making gold from the missions. I knew people that spent the entire expansion in their garrisons lol. Like maybe a 1 week reset on your herbs before you were able to farm them again from your garrison. Something from preventing you from doin nothing but garrison facebook farming. And not such a huge gold incentive from the missions either. Legion had it right with class order halls though. That was so much better than garrisons. Basically us warriors in our warrior hall, and all you other players can go away until we decide to raid or pvp lol.
@@ZiqpY I thought about it yesterday. After the things with lawsuit and such to my mind it could be a good idea to release warlords of draenor reforged as it was supposed to be as you have almost 50% of the design available and then add the cut content and have time to work on the real expansion after shadowlands (which TBH I enjoy very much and I don't know why people are that negative) and make a comeback by apologizing making gifts and release content after a lot of consideration that would make lots of ppl to return
It's a real shame what happened to this xpac. In spite of the hate it gets, what was there was dope. Had most of this not been cut, it may have been considered one of the best xpacs made.
WoD seemed like it had more potential than many, many other expansions. The ideas and the direction they had were good, but due to a whole being tier being cut and an annoying burnout farmville style upkeep, it seemed so wasted..
For me, things like pruning would have soured the experience even with all of the admittedly good ideas that were never realized. Most of the specs I tried also felt worse than they did in the previous example... even specs that didn't change a lot like Shadow Priests. I would have preferred if instead they focused on horizontal progression at that point (even if the amount of keybindings needed to be cleaned up a bit)... imagine something like Gladiator Stance Warrior being its own thing with its own talent tree; that would give it the ability to be a bit more unique and more abilities altered, essentially allowing for sub specs in the game (let alone being far easier to balance with it being uncoupled from Prot). Apply this kind of idea to every spec, and there would be far more customization than ever... it could also largely replace class reworks, meaning a playstyle isn't lost, only new things added to choose from.
WoD could have been so amazing. I remember the huge amount of excitement I had for this expansion, I’d stepped away from the game at the end of Wrath but the hype for this expansion had me thinking of coming back. I think WoD was ultimately the point where I realized my WoW days were at an end, and I wouldn’t be coming back anymore. I loved the creativity the devs had in mind for the expansion, really sad that they just didn’t have the time to make it work.
I just don't understand why they didn't include netherstorm or what was netherstorm in the future because that was half the thing, you wanted to see draenor as it was before it was destroyed and turned into outlands
@@RunehearthCL idk everyone I talked too told me it was low budget and they let some of devs go so yeah it was probably selling good but what I’ve been told they had budget cuts before release so idk could just be they didn’t have time to make everything
The games make a lot of money but most of that money goes to shareholders or straight into Mr Kotick's swollen wallet; it doesn't go back into making games
@Naveen KV they definitely make a lot of money that's true, but they don't spend it back on the game, in fact the more they make the more they cut from the game, that's why their team is now smaller than ever and they take so long to release a patch. it's obvious they could spend a lot more because they would make it all back but they just don't, it doesn't make sense to me neither.
Can you please do more of these? I never knew Blizzard blatantly promised features that they never introduced. I already hate Shadowlands and solely play Classic TBC. Thanks for the excellent content.
@@hirumaredx Classic has mountains on the cutting room floor. Much of it forgotten about to this day. So many secretly places on the Classic game that never got their chance to shine, in some places entire zones like Azshara.
one of the big ones that they even mocked players about was the Dance Studio, which was supposed to be a LAUNCH feature of Wrath of the Lich King and included in almost every bit of promotion leading up to the expansion's release, before simply vanishing.
I honestly feel like shadowlands was ok. It just lacked content. But there was no promised content really that was lacked. Shadowlands definitely needed more content though in my op. Shadowlands also had alot of really bad design decisions. Forcing everyone to move one zone to the next in a linear fashion. I mean, you had to practically have loremaster in order to do maldraxus from bastion. Then you needed maldraxxus loremaster in order to go to ardenweald. And so on. Man you needed all that to unlock dungeons and raids to. They never seemed to listen to any of the criticism this expansion either. Making all the covenants a 1 time choice was another thing, and making it so you couldn't swap them, was also bad. Like it just had so many bad decisions going on down the line. But the content it had was good. I had fun anyway. The frustrating thing, is, even now, it is still the same way. You still cannot quest freely. I always find it important to be objective. I guess I was one of those folks who did not straight up hate on shadowlands. I found things that were cool. And just did that stuff. I had a softspot for the maw. It is the most unique zone in the whole game. I felt all the zones were cool, ardenweald will always be my favorite though. Another bad decision here, but they took away everyone's mounts in the maw. I think if everyone had a mount down there, it would have been received better. I am also one of those folks who doesn't mind not being able to fly either. But it made no sense not to be able to us a regular 100 percent speed mount down there. What were they thinking. I liked this expansion for what it was though. Maldraxxus was like a huge throwback to wrath. With all this undead activity going on. Shadowlands had a boatload of untapped potential in my op. Sad to see where it actually went down though. Also I am sure there are facts that I missed to. As I am a casual 5 man and casual pvp/quester kind of a guy. But it could have been alot better.
The way they over-pruned classes to try do to all the office politics after MoP would have always made that difficult. MoP was peak class design for a lot of players and WoD felt very stripped down to actually play the game for many specs. Despite that, I'd be curious if there was a pie chart for "WoD Development Time" how much of it was eaten up by everything Garrison/Shipyard related and if that time was just redirected into content if we'd have gotten a much better expansion.
@@andrewshandle MoP was really run to play a main character but a nightmare to run alts and learn a million skills they had with their rotations. The ability bloat was real and I think WoD did a decent job of cutting down on the sheer number of skills, the core gameplay being entirely in the classes though with big damage was still there, Legion neutered that hard into borrowed power which has made classes feel weak without gear/power since. They did break quite a few things though, like making monks significantly more static and boring.
@@cattysplat Got to say, that if you interviewed 100 players and asked "what expansion had better class design, MoP or WoD?" I think a good 85% would say "MoP". There was definitely some bloat, but WoD pruned way too much and other than a few individual specs, most specs played much worse in WoD than they did in MoP. For many players MoP is the peak of class design. The issue with Alts was just overall design of the game with everything being so Rep based, but that's a design decision that they could have easily rectified if they wanted too.
@@cattysplat I think shadowlands, while it failed for a variety of reasons, this was another reason it didn't do well in my op. Like with all the bias of pandas, and pandaria not really being well received because of that one thing lol, I think the theme of shadowlands was a turn away for alot of folks. I thought it was cool. But it lacked content to for shadowlands, although no content was lacked that was originally promised. But they also made a plethora of bad design decisions to. Like forcing everyone to pick one covenant, and not having a way to choose a different one even if you wanted to. Or forcing everyone to quest and get lore master in order to quest or even be able to get into each zone for leveling and raiding. Like good lord it was insane. There were others to in terms of design decisions that were bad I am sure though. WIth pandaria, everyone hated it in the beginning because of pandas. That was really the main criticism of pandaria lol. I dunno what it is about the wow community. But sometimes, things get hated for the dumbest reasons possible. I try to be objective with everything. There were things about shadowlands that I liked. Shadowlands had some dope gear though. Just sayin. The gear looked cool.
The Garrisons being spread out across the continent would make a lot of sense from a technical standpoint as well. I lost count the number of times there were connection issues and I wasn't able to leave my garrison without getting disconnected.
Or if players could put their garrison any place and other same faction players could stop and spend gold that the garrison owner would get. Also have a mechanic where you could open your garrison to PvP if you wanted that
I'll never forget the hype I felt on the announcement of WoD. I started playing in Cata, got into raiding in MoP, and it felt like I was finally gonna get to experience the classic wow feeling everyone loved. Easily the most a game has ever let me down.
They should just create and release all the cut things from the game that they said would be in the game in general. Starting from Classic and up - I believe everyone would love to go to the Dragon Isles and Netherstorm in WoD.
Given everything we've learned about Blizzard this past week, I have to wonder how much of this content we could have gotten if a.) The company wasn't focused 100% only on numbers and profit, and b.) Employees making the product felt safe, secure and valued
Class Accessories hurt me, it's something we absolutely could use in the game today. Give us something nice to strive for without worrying about power, just looking cool.
I agree. especially like transmoggable quivvers. Like add every quiver model in the game, so that i can transmog the quivers all across the game to my back if i want to. The nerubian reinforced quiver always looked amazing to me. Also, transmoggable arrows, so you could get that iceblade arrow effect to it. Iceblade arrowheads in wrath gave your arrows a frosty glow and did some frost damage.
Compare that to how crazy positive Ben Brode was revealing Hearthstone expansions. Just look at the Knights of the Frozen Throne trailer, he oozes enthusiasm for his work.
I wonder if they will ever revisit some of these in the future - like if there is a "stop Yrel" expansion, do we travel to Draenor once again? maybe enter Shattrath? visit Faralhon? visit the Ogre continent to recruit Ogres into the Horde?
I am highly doubtful current blizzard has the capacity, drive, skill, or means to make anything even close to this again. Even with all the cut content the classes played so extremely well during this time. You can see their lack of skill by how terrible class design is now.
@@bikespj22 It's really weird for me to hear all those kind words about classes in WoD. After MoP almost every spec was pruned as fuck. Warriors (except gladiator) and warlocks were in their worst state in terms of their capability (both arms and fury were 3 buttons specs). Legion cut even more, however artifacts was fun for a while.
@@TheLesoro well today classes alone are like 70% and the other 30% comes from whatever is the flavor of the expension. (Legion Weapons etc.), that sucks
@@animalm4st3r It was like this in Legion, but currently in SL Covenant give only one class ability and some not crucial passives (conduits). It's not that much imo, 90% of class is baseline.
I would argue it was worse for casual players. The raids were the good parts of WoD, everything that would have made the game awesome for casual players got cut. There was nothing to do but grinding Apexis Crystals...
Such an amazing compilation of what it could have been with all proven details. Amazing work, amazing video. Thanks a lot for making this! I love WoD unlike most, still, if these were there, the game would be cumulatively a lot more better, that's for sure. I sincerely hope this will inspire the future WoW Devs into not making the same mistakes and never waste another potential like this.
@@mbazoka Well, there wasn't a pandemic and a double law suit going on during WoD and Shadowlands still has the possibility of a 9.3, yet WoD didn't. Also I must remind you, that move brought us Legion. So, imagine what may come after at 10.0 even if 9.3 does not somehow happen either ;)
@@Aernath I honestly feel like, now that the dust has settled, i do feel like dragonflight looks fairly interesting so far. It definitely seems like it could be among the best, but we will see.
Why do I remember vividly that on my first kill of Kargath he ran away like in the beta? I don't recall doing any beta testing for WoD. The week after when he was there on the floor instead of just his Bladefist I was only like "hmm, that's weird"
@@longlivemonzy2861 Nope he's right, I can bouch for him. Kargath did indeed ran away from that fight after you beat him when the raid opened up. It was QUICKLY patched, but that thing was a change on the Live Servers, it did hit Live, then it was VERY QUICKLY changed.
Does anyone know why exactly this all got scrapped? this is an epic amount of content that I am SO sad we never got to see in its entirety. It really seems like the developers on that panel had a vision of what they wanted WoD to be, and what we got is like 10% of that. And that 10% was fractured and broken in its own right lol
Now that we've learned what we have about Blizzard this past week, we have two likely reasons. Firstly, the company doesn't just care more about numbers than quality, they ONLY care about numbers and would sell us a computer virus if it turned a profit. Secondly, the employees have been treated horribly, between constant threat of sexual assault, retaliation for those who try to prevent such assault, and constantly being told they could be fired for not meeting arbitrarily high metrics. There's probably more specific context around WoD as well, but now that we know how Blizzard works internally it's hard to imagine this didn't play some role
my will to play wow was cut since WoD... then classic arrived and i got it back... but then min-max shenaningans, carry, boosting, etc. happened... also still waiting for Thrown weapons history :V
So sad really. I remember WoD was the last xpac I played with my cousin. We had so much fun. Used to rush home from work just to login with him. And we used to chat on whatsapp all day on what we were going to do today. I loved every minute of it. Spending time with my cousin like that was so heartwarming. He quite at the last months of the expansion and NEVER subbed to wow again. WoD was so bittersweet for me. It's really really sad. I tried talking to him to resub but he said no way. (He had a point) now we aren't so close to each other as we used to be in WoD days. :(
Early on, I think when WoD was first announced, I remember reading the pet menagerie was gonna allow you to breed battle pets, and this is how we'd get epic quality pets. Never saw it mentioned again after that.
It could have been the best expansion ever. Have you seen previews for dragonflight? I am honestly hoping for a home run this time around. Comes out soon.
Even with all that cut content WoD still became the MOST popular expansion for a time. Sure, it was just because it was the fastest place to level an alt during SL prepatch, but it was by far the most popular!
It was before it released. The queue times were astronomically high. I remember going to work and coming home and still being in queue. But that all faded within the 1st week when everyone realized how much was cut
@@andreiflorin1603 Population went from 6 to 10 million on WoD release. In 2 months it was 5 million and Blizz stopped releasing player figures forever. The hype was real and the fall when reality hit was huge.
@@cattysplat Man, have you read his comment? "Even with all the cut content" "Wod still became the most popular" this implies post-launch WoD, which was a failure.
if they ever release wod classic, i hope it comes with all the cut content added into it, fully fletched out, it will be the best expansion to go down in history
Part of me hopes that's the case too. But I got a feeling that they might rerun the same expansions just without adding anything new or restored. Cataclysm might follow suit and MoP after it. It's just a hope maybe we might see something good from a WoD Classic.
I do too, this video is an exception though. I wanted something that would be easy to link to people if I ever wanted to talk about WoD in future videos
@@hirumaredx you know, this man be the fan I. Me or not but I haven’t really been dissatisfied by any video you’ve made so far. Either I find it humorous or insightful. Plus, they give me something to listen to in the background while I’m at work. :).
To be honest, with all the cut content in past warcraft expansions and a good chunk being area's we've yet to visit. I can easily see them just grabbing a bunch of these and making an expansion based on it. The Ogre isle being an easy new race location for ogres and the underground caves of northrend being another.
I actually really enjoyed the gameplay of WoD, and prefer it more than what we have now. The problem is.. there was just like 4 weeks worth of content for the entire expansion. They could have made my boy so great.
The isle South of Nagrand was not removed: that's Highmaul, it was just moved to the West. That helps explain why Highmaul in live is a massive isle fully modeled but only 30% of it is used. The other continent mentioned was supposed to be the land of the ogres and Highmaul would act a step before we reached there. In a panel was mentioned that this new continent would have its own different fauna and flora (I well remember this because sounded a bit random to mention) that was lost due to being destroyed in the main universe whe Draenor became Outland. As said in the video, when Gorgrond was being developed it was just a desert with railtracks all around. Why I mention this? Because there was no trace of botani or genesaur there until late in development. My speculation is that botani and genesaur were supposed to be in this new continent (remember they mentioned "flora") and since it was cut they moved them to Gorgrond, that's why is inconsistent that there's no trace of them in Outland but would make sense in the initial approach.
Hellfire Citadel was planned to be the last raid of the expansion from the start with Grommash as the final boss, but the zone was never meant to have all the fel taint. They released a blog post saying "having another orc raid so close to SoO and Blackrock Foundry would be too similar" so they added Gul'dan into the mix to corrupt everything.
@@amadeusagripino6862 If only they had their hands on the keyboard instead of a co-worker's boobs. Maybe we would've had a fully fleshed-out WoD that created a smooth segue into Legion. After that, we could've had a coherent faction war expansion leading into an epic Black Empire expansion.
Whenever i think of blizzard cutting content...WoD immediately comes to mind. I recall being very upset seeing just how utterly gutted WoD felt. It simply was no where even close to being ready. It was clear they shifted allot of the resources away from wow to other projects. After watching the video, i cant help but believe that...blizzard just absolutely lied about wod from the start.
You know those pictures people take where they arrange all the fur they’ve brushed off their pet into a smaller pet. That’s how i feel about the massive amount of cut content in WOD. There’s nearly enough of it to make its own functional expac.
I think you left out the Blackrock Harbor daily quest zone that was meant to be introduced alongside the Shipyard update. You even still do one of the daily quests that would have been there, but only once during an introduction quest to the Shipyard.
@@Abyssalterror14 δλδ τους γαμησανε Ε ρε φίλε και ακόμα όπως το παρουσίασαν ήταν πολύ ωραίο τα raids τα dungeons το garrison απλά άμα ήταν και η shattrath raid με 2-3 bosses θα ήταν ακόμα καλύτερα. Και το hellfire σαν τελευταίο raid ούτως ή άλλως
I appreciate this being shared! It confirms a lot of misty suspicion... and brings some sadness. What could have been had corporate not decided to trash the development process. I suppose some investors needed more in their quarterly dividend right then... and that tradition of lower development standards continued. I'm glad I picked Lord of the Rings Online for my gaming time instead.
WoD was the last time i had fun in WoW actually. even tho much was cutted. It had the potential to be the best xpac but Blizz scrapped it as usual. Damn trial of the gladiator would be so awesome in retail.. but anyway im done with the game.
Agreed, I absolutely loved WoD, but it was the last time I truly enjoyed playing WoW. Classes actually felt unique and different, and the story and gameplay elements we did get were amazing.
@@SharpTony yeah and i was huge in PvP and PvE. Had tons of fun in Ashran. Now its an BG which is laggy as hell even with lesser people and is degraded to a zergfest.
@@Alex-dc2bp she killed herself few days ago, and not in 2015, you know? And why should we care? A LOT of humans kill themselves, but if it's a woman, then it's important?
@@SMILE53335 Last time I checked, people cared about anyone that killed themselvest, when they find out about it. I for certain would be sad if I heard someone killed themselves over sexual abuse, regardless of their gender. It's called empathy.
You hear the condescending system designers rhetoric.. "We don't want you to swap it once a day" ... they throttle the fun you can have in the game in order to milk as much playtime as possible.. thats so disguisting.
Or they just dont want to make all decisions meaningless by just making it so you change out your options for whatever is best at that exact moment, thus basically just making it an extra step for whatever content you're doing.
There was probably a power struggle and very troubled development during WoD Ion came in straight after and probably immediately started working on Legion
@DrWienerful Legion had great story and clever use of class hall backgrounds and artefact weapon history in old world azeroth lore. The new systems of world quests, AP and random legendries were excitingly new and gave people something to grind, compared to WoD where there was only endless work orders. Ofcourse we all burned out and found it insanely anti-alt, but the financial success of Legion was inevitably going to result in copycat sequels in BfA and SL.
WoD was like working a day at Blizzards. You start off sober and with a great idea and by the time you finish your drunken cubical crawl you realize you forgot most of the features and the expansion came out a month ago
Whenever I level new characters I get excited at the thought of returning to the WoD expansion. Spending so much time in my garrison initially gives me real nostalgia akin to Vanilla, plus the systems and Followers, Treasures, dailies, etc we’re actually so good. The content drought certainly is a thing but fuck if I don’t have mostly good memories of WoD
If this content was in the game wod would be the best expansion ever
It would have been greatly improved that's for sure. I might be one of the few people that actually enjoyed playing in WoD, but that doesn't mean that I think it was a great expansion. Personal favorite is wrath tbh.
I was most surprised by the trial of the gladiator thing, seems to fix all the issues with arenas
@@theashenverdict1629 I enjoyed it too, but I also am into Orc lore, and play mostly Orc characters. So seeing Draenor before it was destroyed and seeing the Orcish clans as they used to be was awesome.
@@hirumaredx and instead they gave us skirmishes? It's like promising a homeless man a great place to stay, when there weather is too rough to survive, but instead build a real estate agency so he can dream about how a good place to live in looks like.
I guess if we had just one more raid with perhaps 2-3 bosses it would be more OK but from the announcement I wanted grommash as a boss but not final maybe in the previous raid of hellfire where we brace for the legion expansion or if they were commenting it in different way yh maybe then grommash last boss
This is literally what we mean when we say, "Underpromise and overdeliver if you want to come out on top." When you do the opposite, you get WoD.
Makes me feel sad after watching this entire video just from the thought of how good WoD actually could have been
It was unironicly my favourite launch because of the insane levels of hype, high quality content and questing... The raids on mythic were amazing too! Then the selfiepatch with twitter came out and I went into the 5 stages of grief. It was really a solid foundation for a really good expansion that could have explored more things about the Ogre's, Draenei and the Orc clans and just completely lacked a proper expansion patch cycle. It's like Shadowlands would end on patch 9.1.
@Keith it's still not worse than bfa. All the systems in WoD COULD have worked. Azerite/corruption was NEVER going to work, nor were islands and piss easy war fronts
@@ZiqpY if they would have just plopped a new zone new raid and dungeon right in the middle of that drought it would have been remembered more fondly ...even if it wasnt main story focused since archimond was dead already
@@xadamx94 meh i don't understand all that hate on BFA it was fun expansion
@@xadamx94 bfa was pretty good. it's droughts that kill these games and bfa had a lot of stuff to do that was fun or interesting. we the players are going to make it work to kill the bosses regardless. but we need new stuff every 5 months to do
I was in a job interview, the guy asked me what i did in my spare time and i told him i play wow and he legit asked me if i liked the new expansion (wod) and i said yeah, i really like it! And be just stared at me for a solid 30sec before we kept going, i didnt get the job
probably i will do the same of the of the interviewer, just stare at you with a deep disappointment and then just remove you of the selection process. ( sorry not sorry )
The expansion was like a month old at the time but if i were in his shoes now id do the same, hah!
Why would you want to work for a clown anyways? WoD wasn't bad just short. Most bashing on it never played it. WoW community bunch of fakers and hacks.
This is like Gozer asking Ray if he’s a god all over again.
Fair
WoD was supposed to be the greatest expansion... it's so sad to see what actually happened
I remember on my walk home from school stopping by the food court in the mall by my house to get a slice of pizza and talk with my brother about all the cool stuff WoD was gonna bring... 3 days in I quit wow for nearly 2 years.
To be fair, to of its raids are viewed as some of the best raids in the game (foundry and citadel)
@@TheEiric Highmail was increadibly good too, i mean the content we got was great. The problem with WoD was there was too little content, not that the content itself sucked.
I think this is slightly revisionist, most people in the community were extremely skeptical of the time travel premise right from the get go.
@@DustGamezX yh I think the same. I wanted shattrath to be a raid in a patch with farahlon, tanaan being endgane zone at 6.0 and maybe all the grommash stuff happening in the zone at the bottom left where probably legion appears and the capture him after he is almost dead and then turning some efforts of the iron horde of fighting back into dust and then having hellfire citadel. You know grommash and then hellfire as the last raid and some redesigned things in draenor and the use maybe of some very small islands where fhere are portal etc. To conclude the content was great it was just little
could have been the best expansion of all time, like legit i’ve thought that for years
Agreed. Garrison's were a flop, but everything outside of the garrison's were incredible. The story,, the zones, the dungeons, the raids. Heck, even Ashran was fun to do and made getting full PvP gear easy. The BIGGEST problem with WoD, was the drought. There wasn't enough content, too much was cut.
Yup despite all the cuts, WoD wasn’t bad as people say.
Definitely! WoD started out amazing! One of the best leveling experience ever had and it was new too. Garrisons we’re fun but I guess they couldn’t find any content that will actually work. Now, they’ll throw anything at us without even listening.
Like WoD took place in an alternate universe, we currently exist in a universe where greed and ineptitude made WoD the worst expansion of all time. Blizzard has gotten progressively worse and worse and expansions have not improved much since. We got the bad ending.
I thought the best expansion was released in 2004
I think WoD was the CRUSH that happend when Blizzard development ideas met a budget set by Activison and they had to cut insane.. and maybe devs working on other games too... and Legion is only as good as it is because lots of devs saw it as their goodbye present and I guess worked lots of overtime..
darn the explanation for the legion part is just sad :(
I read this as I heard them saying that Grommash was gonna be the last boss. That’s exactly what I thought was gonna happen in WoD too, but now I see why it could be that Legion was made. You might be right about Legion!
You also have to think about how Blizzard spends their time making content. Since expansions come out every 2 years or so, some of that time has to go into the next expansion, they are not fully dedicating each of those full 2 years to a single expansion and its content. If Blizz did it any other way, WoD would have probably been a lot better than it turned out to be.
Can we please for the love of god stop with the "it's all Activisions fault" stuff. The companies merged in 2008. WoD came out in 2014. WOTLK, Cata and MoP all released after the merger.
I too like to speculate baselessly
You know, I never really thought about the fact that we fought on a moving train in that dungeon... but there were no train tracks anywhere in the zone. Huh. xD
Fun fact: technically the train isn't moving, instead the terrain is moving to give the illusion that the train is traveling at high speed.
@@M18_CRYMORE well that's even more unrealistic :P
There are train tracks in gorgrond, up near brf. But yes, none elsewhere in the zone
@@Draedaja Frame of reference
@@M18_CRYMORE That's really common in game design, actually. Whenever you have the chance to make the environment move instead of the player, take it. Makes physics engines less buggy.
The problem which each expansion is that as soon as its nearly finished they already start work on the next expansion rather then finishing everything that's promised. They are too focused on pushing out expansions rather then giving a complete immersive world.
Exactly, and every resource that the new expansion brings is always fucked up until its fixed at the end of the expansion.
who was that chode that decided that again. pretty sure they decided to do it on their own rather than a decision by activision.
activision needs to fucking get a grip on blizz studios lmao. we've seen magic activision can shit out with sheer monetary investment (trust me bobby is a literal god in his work). it's time to tap into that for overwatch, wow, etc. straight get another studio involved. maybe even slap down a few studios in canada again for the cheap production and high levels of good emplyees.
so instead of waiting 5 fucking years for overwatch 2 we wait 2. instead of waiting 7 month for a wow patch we get one every 3. etc.
@@dollahbill510 Yep. If they started doing three-year cycles for expansions rather than two-year cycles, everything would probably end up much better.
Nah the problem is new expansions just ditch everything from the previous expansion to give us some new broken system that people will hate until it's fixed in patch X.3.5. It's got to the point they are adding individual (crap) systems every patch now let alone per expansion!
If they took every complete system they've ever created and updated them for the new expansion the game might feel good again. They'd still need to kill the real money Token to stop the PTW boost meta though which lets be honest is what's keeping WoW afloat ATM.
Time for WoW to die at this point though. No king rules forever.
They pump expansions out because that's the games lifeline. Every expansion release sees millions of players return after they'd quit, not only buying box price but also sub. Even Shadowlands was the most sold PC game ever for a small amount of time.
There was one more feature that was talked about in an interview that was cut. It was planned for you to be able to queue for a dungeon/raid on a character, then go log on to your alt and do your business there and when the instance was ready, you'd hit join from your alt and it would automatically relog you to the character that originally queued up and load the instance. Very handy feature that was scrapped.
Also they promised us we would be able to switch main bag and then claimed it wasn't possible with how the inventory infrastructure works in the engine. Then in Legion they added extra space to that bag if you set up a 2-step verification.
The extra slot in the bag is exactly what I expect modern Blizz to "come up" with.
They heard the devs having great quality of life ideas and imediatelly think how to turn that into profit ... Forgetting they need to provide the quality first before they can expect the players to pay them for the game.
@@TheUnkow But the free bag space is free? You just need 2 step verification
@@Wroxal I hope it stays free, I am ok with only 2 steps verification, but experience has taught me that most companies start like this and then they add this and that.
Then not long after, they start charging money for the simplest service ... while their business guys only changes slot size number from 16 to 20 for example or later in the game the percentage of some odds.
Soon the game becomes a gambling corner, not a place for fun.
As long as you pay only for decorations or to be able to play the game (like a monthly fee or a single payment), that is ok, but as soon as you start paying for quality of life in game or to get a better item, that game has become a casino and most normal players will start leaving it while only fanatics and addicts will remain playing it.
That's why in some games the community is very welcoming to critique, but very offensive in others.
the first idea is actually cool but to be honest with you, if blizzard told me "it's not very practical in technical terms" I would believe them on this xD
"WoD cut content video...You're shorter than I expected..."
''We have a job to do, Anakin, try not to upset him''
Am I shorter than expected?
That was a sudden cut at the end there.
I noticed that too! Hoping it was a fun little jab at cutting content short lol
Obviously. Lol, devs couldn't afford a full outro
@@laszlosandor1458 I think that's exactly what it was
no fluff!
i thought my youtube bugged out or something lmao
Imagine having a successful mmo and just decide during one expansion to just … stop making most of the Features you showed your players
I mean thats basically the story of Blizzard. It was one of the most respected companies that seemingly was not able to make a bad game, until they suddenly stopped?
I mean wtf
@@Mediados it's Activision's fault, not Blizzard.
@@Danka997 I know but since Blizzards original staff has almost vanished, its essentially the same
@@Danka997 nah blizzard is at fault too
They were too busy getting drunk and cube crawling ...
WoD had so much cut that even the intro and outro of this video were cut.
WoD had really a huge potential. Just reading the list gives me a taste of defeat.
I enjoyed almost all the content in WoD, there just wasnt enough.
Raids were among the best, leveling and questing was awesome, dungeons were nice.
@@xZyrux Absolutely agree with you. I feel like it just did not have enough content, and alot of garrison ideas were thrown out. I feel like they needed to be designed better in a way where we weren't isolated all the time. Trade chat should have been removed, and there should definitely been a hard cap on some things. Like farming herbs in garrison without ever leaving your garrison. Or making gold from the missions. I knew people that spent the entire expansion in their garrisons lol. Like maybe a 1 week reset on your herbs before you were able to farm them again from your garrison. Something from preventing you from doin nothing but garrison facebook farming. And not such a huge gold incentive from the missions either.
Legion had it right with class order halls though. That was so much better than garrisons. Basically us warriors in our warrior hall, and all you other players can go away until we decide to raid or pvp lol.
imagine a WoD Classic with all of the major cut content restored :O
yooo that would be dope
with the current dev team i'd wager that it would somehow turn out worse than the original wod
Imagine a MoP classic but it’s actually good
@@CustodialDaniel shut up
@@CustodialDaniel MoP was fine
This video should be renamed to the 90% of warlords that got scraped.
no? only 35% ?
@@TheChristianWood No, 90%
shows how undedicated they are to their players
You really weren’t kidding about no fluff.
Hiru, this is really well edited and precsice and fun to watch even if i already knew all this. We dont deserve you
I loved all the ideas of WoD and I hope that some day we can see a finnished version of it somehow.
@@ZiqpY I thought about it yesterday. After the things with lawsuit and such to my mind it could be a good idea to release warlords of draenor reforged as it was supposed to be as you have almost 50% of the design available and then add the cut content and have time to work on the real expansion after shadowlands (which TBH I enjoy very much and I don't know why people are that negative) and make a comeback by apologizing making gifts and release content after a lot of consideration that would make lots of ppl to return
that was an abrupt ending xD Greast Video! Sad to see how much got scrapped :(
The ending was cut like the content in WoD.
Blizzard is the Perfect example of :"Dont pre-buy something"
Why make quality if you dont require it ?
It's a real shame what happened to this xpac. In spite of the hate it gets, what was there was dope. Had most of this not been cut, it may have been considered one of the best xpacs made.
WoD seemed like it had more potential than many, many other expansions. The ideas and the direction they had were good, but due to a whole being tier being cut and an annoying burnout farmville style upkeep, it seemed so wasted..
@@Hasan-iq7hm i couldnt agree more. the zones and raids were really good
For me, things like pruning would have soured the experience even with all of the admittedly good ideas that were never realized. Most of the specs I tried also felt worse than they did in the previous example... even specs that didn't change a lot like Shadow Priests. I would have preferred if instead they focused on horizontal progression at that point (even if the amount of keybindings needed to be cleaned up a bit)... imagine something like Gladiator Stance Warrior being its own thing with its own talent tree; that would give it the ability to be a bit more unique and more abilities altered, essentially allowing for sub specs in the game (let alone being far easier to balance with it being uncoupled from Prot). Apply this kind of idea to every spec, and there would be far more customization than ever... it could also largely replace class reworks, meaning a playstyle isn't lost, only new things added to choose from.
It's a shame ActiBlizz just can't get their shit together when it comes to prematurely announce release dates. :|
@@Gebirges theyre just call of duty now, they have to release they expacs every 2 years for max earnings
WoD could have been so amazing. I remember the huge amount of excitement I had for this expansion, I’d stepped away from the game at the end of Wrath but the hype for this expansion had me thinking of coming back.
I think WoD was ultimately the point where I realized my WoW days were at an end, and I wouldn’t be coming back anymore. I loved the creativity the devs had in mind for the expansion, really sad that they just didn’t have the time to make it work.
Wrath classic has been pretty fun for me, but dragonflight also looks really good as well.
I just don't understand why they didn't include netherstorm or what was netherstorm in the future because that was half the thing, you wanted to see draenor as it was before it was destroyed and turned into outlands
They had a low budget so they had to scrap a ton of content from activision
@@Fornacis69 low budget? wod sold pretty well, it was just bad management by blizzard
@@RunehearthCL idk everyone I talked too told me it was low budget and they let some of devs go so yeah it was probably selling good but what I’ve been told they had budget cuts before release so idk could just be they didn’t have time to make everything
The games make a lot of money but most of that money goes to shareholders or straight into Mr Kotick's swollen wallet; it doesn't go back into making games
@Naveen KV they definitely make a lot of money that's true, but they don't spend it back on the game, in fact the more they make the more they cut from the game, that's why their team is now smaller than ever and they take so long to release a patch.
it's obvious they could spend a lot more because they would make it all back but they just don't, it doesn't make sense to me neither.
In hindsight, everyone on that stage looks anxious or outright unhappy.
I notice that. Its kinda unsettling.
Because they knew
All work and no Cosby suite time make blizz dev go crazy
That look on Chris Metzen’s face
They wanted to hurry up and get back to finding girls for the Cosby suite.
Still waiting on the new dances....
Dance studio..
Noth, where's Heigan?
@@jordanshepherd7168 I can’t wait to ask that again in two years. Noth was so mad XD.
WoW is still the only MMO without customizable emotes / dances, player housing or dyeable armor.
I felt it was unacceptable that some of the allied races had the same dances as core races.
WoD had so much potential. I remember being so hyped about going back to Draenor, seeing it in all its former glory with all the famous Orc leaders.
Dude. This expansion could have been like the best expansion ever. It was ok for what it had though.
WoD had so much potential, it would be cool if they ever get to a “classic WoD” they put in all that content that should have been there. I’d play it.
I would play it to with all the cut content.
Can you please do more of these? I never knew Blizzard blatantly promised features that they never introduced. I already hate Shadowlands and solely play Classic TBC. Thanks for the excellent content.
No other expansion really has the same level of cut content as WoD. They all have some sure, but maybe 1/4th of WoD's.
@@hirumaredx Classic has mountains on the cutting room floor. Much of it forgotten about to this day. So many secretly places on the Classic game that never got their chance to shine, in some places entire zones like Azshara.
@@cattysplat but classic was not an x pac
one of the big ones that they even mocked players about was the Dance Studio, which was supposed to be a LAUNCH feature of Wrath of the Lich King and included in almost every bit of promotion leading up to the expansion's release, before simply vanishing.
I honestly feel like shadowlands was ok. It just lacked content. But there was no promised content really that was lacked. Shadowlands definitely needed more content though in my op.
Shadowlands also had alot of really bad design decisions. Forcing everyone to move one zone to the next in a linear fashion. I mean, you had to practically have loremaster in order to do maldraxus from bastion. Then you needed maldraxxus loremaster in order to go to ardenweald. And so on.
Man you needed all that to unlock dungeons and raids to.
They never seemed to listen to any of the criticism this expansion either. Making all the covenants a 1 time choice was another thing, and making it so you couldn't swap them, was also bad.
Like it just had so many bad decisions going on down the line. But the content it had was good. I had fun anyway.
The frustrating thing, is, even now, it is still the same way. You still cannot quest freely.
I always find it important to be objective. I guess I was one of those folks who did not straight up hate on shadowlands. I found things that were cool. And just did that stuff.
I had a softspot for the maw. It is the most unique zone in the whole game. I felt all the zones were cool, ardenweald will always be my favorite though.
Another bad decision here, but they took away everyone's mounts in the maw. I think if everyone had a mount down there, it would have been received better. I am also one of those folks who doesn't mind not being able to fly either. But it made no sense not to be able to us a regular 100 percent speed mount down there. What were they thinking.
I liked this expansion for what it was though. Maldraxxus was like a huge throwback to wrath. With all this undead activity going on.
Shadowlands had a boatload of untapped potential in my op. Sad to see where it actually went down though. Also I am sure there are facts that I missed to. As I am a casual 5 man and casual pvp/quester kind of a guy. But it could have been alot better.
I had no idea WoD was sliced so deep, I played it in full, and it always felt empty and as if there was something over the horizon that was missing
It sounds like it could've been the best expansion of all time. What happened to WoD is really unfortunate.
The way they over-pruned classes to try do to all the office politics after MoP would have always made that difficult. MoP was peak class design for a lot of players and WoD felt very stripped down to actually play the game for many specs. Despite that, I'd be curious if there was a pie chart for "WoD Development Time" how much of it was eaten up by everything Garrison/Shipyard related and if that time was just redirected into content if we'd have gotten a much better expansion.
@@andrewshandle MoP was really run to play a main character but a nightmare to run alts and learn a million skills they had with their rotations. The ability bloat was real and I think WoD did a decent job of cutting down on the sheer number of skills, the core gameplay being entirely in the classes though with big damage was still there, Legion neutered that hard into borrowed power which has made classes feel weak without gear/power since. They did break quite a few things though, like making monks significantly more static and boring.
@@cattysplat Got to say, that if you interviewed 100 players and asked "what expansion had better class design, MoP or WoD?" I think a good 85% would say "MoP". There was definitely some bloat, but WoD pruned way too much and other than a few individual specs, most specs played much worse in WoD than they did in MoP. For many players MoP is the peak of class design.
The issue with Alts was just overall design of the game with everything being so Rep based, but that's a design decision that they could have easily rectified if they wanted too.
@@cattysplat I think shadowlands, while it failed for a variety of reasons, this was another reason it didn't do well in my op. Like with all the bias of pandas, and pandaria not really being well received because of that one thing lol, I think the theme of shadowlands was a turn away for alot of folks. I thought it was cool.
But it lacked content to for shadowlands, although no content was lacked that was originally promised. But they also made a plethora of bad design decisions to. Like forcing everyone to pick one covenant, and not having a way to choose a different one even if you wanted to. Or forcing everyone to quest and get lore master in order to quest or even be able to get into each zone for leveling and raiding. Like good lord it was insane. There were others to in terms of design decisions that were bad I am sure though.
WIth pandaria, everyone hated it in the beginning because of pandas. That was really the main criticism of pandaria lol. I dunno what it is about the wow community. But sometimes, things get hated for the dumbest reasons possible. I try to be objective with everything. There were things about shadowlands that I liked.
Shadowlands had some dope gear though. Just sayin. The gear looked cool.
The Garrisons being spread out across the continent would make a lot of sense from a technical standpoint as well.
I lost count the number of times there were connection issues and I wasn't able to leave my garrison without getting disconnected.
Or if players could put their garrison any place and other same faction players could stop and spend gold that the garrison owner would get. Also have a mechanic where you could open your garrison to PvP if you wanted that
Seems like everything they said was hypothetical. “Maybe” you “could” have this.
It sounded like they knew a lot of it would get scrapped.
Not really though, the whole part about Karabor and Bladespire isn't exactly something they say in a hypothetical way.
I'll never forget the hype I felt on the announcement of WoD. I started playing in Cata, got into raiding in MoP, and it felt like I was finally gonna get to experience the classic wow feeling everyone loved. Easily the most a game has ever let me down.
They should just create and release all the cut things from the game that they said would be in the game in general. Starting from Classic and up - I believe everyone would love to go to the Dragon Isles and Netherstorm in WoD.
WOOO I LOVE YOUR VIDS. I actually play your videos every night now to fall asleep to (hope that isn’t weird haha)
I use him for my anxiety so you're not alone lmao
@@ProfPuffOfficial his music in the background and his voice is just so great to listen to :)
Given everything we've learned about Blizzard this past week, I have to wonder how much of this content we could have gotten if
a.) The company wasn't focused 100% only on numbers and profit, and
b.) Employees making the product felt safe, secure and valued
So, you basically want Blizzard to become a worker co-op? Yeah, that would be cool indeed
@@MrNoobomnenie I don't care what form it takes, I just want them to genuinely care about employees and making a quality product XD
Class Accessories hurt me, it's something we absolutely could use in the game today. Give us something nice to strive for without worrying about power, just looking cool.
I agree. especially like transmoggable quivvers. Like add every quiver model in the game, so that i can transmog the quivers all across the game to my back if i want to. The nerubian reinforced quiver always looked amazing to me.
Also, transmoggable arrows, so you could get that iceblade arrow effect to it. Iceblade arrowheads in wrath gave your arrows a frosty glow and did some frost damage.
I never noticed this before, but the WoW panels always seem boring. They’re never smiling or excited. They seem like they’re bored themselves.
Compare that to how crazy positive Ben Brode was revealing Hearthstone expansions. Just look at the Knights of the Frozen Throne trailer, he oozes enthusiasm for his work.
@@Vinnini Damn I really miss Brode trying to sell me packs, the man was super good at that
@@Petixo7 if only he was that good in the game. I'm glad that he left.
@@SMILE53335 I know, it's just he really hyped up xpacs
@@Petixo7 yeah, his Un'Goro rap was great
I wonder if they will ever revisit some of these in the future - like if there is a "stop Yrel" expansion, do we travel to Draenor once again? maybe enter Shattrath? visit Faralhon? visit the Ogre continent to recruit Ogres into the Horde?
I am highly doubtful current blizzard has the capacity, drive, skill, or means to make anything even close to this again. Even with all the cut content the classes played so extremely well during this time. You can see their lack of skill by how terrible class design is now.
@@bikespj22 you have to wonder given the current situation just how many talented people left due to what was going on
@@bikespj22 It's really weird for me to hear all those kind words about classes in WoD. After MoP almost every spec was pruned as fuck. Warriors (except gladiator) and warlocks were in their worst state in terms of their capability (both arms and fury were 3 buttons specs). Legion cut even more, however artifacts was fun for a while.
@@TheLesoro well today classes alone are like 70% and the other 30% comes from whatever is the flavor of the expension. (Legion Weapons etc.), that sucks
@@animalm4st3r It was like this in Legion, but currently in SL Covenant give only one class ability and some not crucial passives (conduits). It's not that much imo, 90% of class is baseline.
I actually didnt mind WOD (im a casual player). Its a shame how it ended up, there was so much potential.
I would argue it was worse for casual players. The raids were the good parts of WoD, everything that would have made the game awesome for casual players got cut. There was nothing to do but grinding Apexis Crystals...
Such an amazing compilation of what it could have been with all proven details. Amazing work, amazing video. Thanks a lot for making this!
I love WoD unlike most, still, if these were there, the game would be cumulatively a lot more better, that's for sure.
I sincerely hope this will inspire the future WoW Devs into not making the same mistakes and never waste another potential like this.
Welp, your comment aged like milk. Shadowlands very likely isn't getting a x.3 patch, the way it's going.
@@mbazoka Well, there wasn't a pandemic and a double law suit going on during WoD and Shadowlands still has the possibility of a 9.3, yet WoD didn't. Also I must remind you, that move brought us Legion. So, imagine what may come after at 10.0 even if 9.3 does not somehow happen either ;)
@@Aernath I honestly feel like, now that the dust has settled, i do feel like dragonflight looks fairly interesting so far. It definitely seems like it could be among the best, but we will see.
I like how this video even CUT the ending xD
Why do I remember vividly that on my first kill of Kargath he ran away like in the beta? I don't recall doing any beta testing for WoD.
The week after when he was there on the floor instead of just his Bladefist I was only like "hmm, that's weird"
Probably saw an early boss raid strategy video with beta footage. At least that's what's up with me
@@longlivemonzy2861 Nope he's right, I can bouch for him.
Kargath did indeed ran away from that fight after you beat him when the raid opened up.
It was QUICKLY patched, but that thing was a change on the Live Servers, it did hit Live, then it was VERY QUICKLY changed.
@@TheMaxCloud always nice to be told that you're not going insane :)
@@hellboy19991 yeah no worries I had exactly the same argument with a guildie at that time
Facerolling Kargath Bladefist as first boss in Highmaul on LFR was perhaps peak cringe from a story prospective.
Does anyone know why exactly this all got scrapped? this is an epic amount of content that I am SO sad we never got to see in its entirety. It really seems like the developers on that panel had a vision of what they wanted WoD to be, and what we got is like 10% of that. And that 10% was fractured and broken in its own right lol
Now that we've learned what we have about Blizzard this past week, we have two likely reasons.
Firstly, the company doesn't just care more about numbers than quality, they ONLY care about numbers and would sell us a computer virus if it turned a profit.
Secondly, the employees have been treated horribly, between constant threat of sexual assault, retaliation for those who try to prevent such assault, and constantly being told they could be fired for not meeting arbitrarily high metrics.
There's probably more specific context around WoD as well, but now that we know how Blizzard works internally it's hard to imagine this didn't play some role
11:56 I think this version of Gorgrond was eventually re-used in the Mag'har Orc scenario that was added in BFA.
my will to play wow was cut since WoD... then classic arrived and i got it back... but then min-max shenaningans, carry, boosting, etc. happened...
also still waiting for Thrown weapons history :V
So sad really. I remember WoD was the last xpac I played with my cousin. We had so much fun. Used to rush home from work just to login with him. And we used to chat on whatsapp all day on what we were going to do today. I loved every minute of it. Spending time with my cousin like that was so heartwarming. He quite at the last months of the expansion and NEVER subbed to wow again. WoD was so bittersweet for me. It's really really sad. I tried talking to him to resub but he said no way. (He had a point) now we aren't so close to each other as we used to be in WoD days. :(
Early on, I think when WoD was first announced, I remember reading the pet menagerie was gonna allow you to breed battle pets, and this is how we'd get epic quality pets. Never saw it mentioned again after that.
What about Elune questline in shadowmoon valley, there is even a splashart of a crashed Moon :(
Alliance Shadowmoon was much weaker story wise compared to Horde's Frostfire Ridge. Would have hated to main Alliance during WoD.
Damn, I remember being hyped after watching this Blizzcon thinking WoD was going to be the best expansion since Wrath lol.
It could have been the best expansion ever. Have you seen previews for dragonflight? I am honestly hoping for a home run this time around. Comes out soon.
WoD had so much potential, I was so sad how much content was removed.
Even with all that cut content WoD still became the MOST popular expansion for a time.
Sure, it was just because it was the fastest place to level an alt during SL prepatch, but it was by far the most popular!
What? WoD? Most popular? You're kidding.
It was before it released. The queue times were astronomically high. I remember going to work and coming home and still being in queue. But that all faded within the 1st week when everyone realized how much was cut
@@andreiflorin1603 Population went from 6 to 10 million on WoD release. In 2 months it was 5 million and Blizz stopped releasing player figures forever. The hype was real and the fall when reality hit was huge.
@@cattysplat Man, have you read his comment? "Even with all the cut content" "Wod still became the most popular" this implies post-launch WoD, which was a failure.
if they ever release wod classic, i hope it comes with all the cut content added into it, fully fletched out, it will be the best expansion to go down in history
Part of me hopes that's the case too. But I got a feeling that they might rerun the same expansions just without adding anything new or restored. Cataclysm might follow suit and MoP after it. It's just a hope maybe we might see something good from a WoD Classic.
I like the fluff that you do.
I do too, this video is an exception though. I wanted something that would be easy to link to people if I ever wanted to talk about WoD in future videos
@@hirumaredx you know, this man be the fan I. Me or not but I haven’t really been dissatisfied by any video you’ve made so far. Either I find it humorous or insightful. Plus, they give me something to listen to in the background while I’m at work. :).
I like how the bold guy is going on and on, and Ion with Metzen look at him like "shut the fck up dude, we don't have budget for that"
I feel like Shadowlands gets the same treatment as WoD
To be honest, with all the cut content in past warcraft expansions and a good chunk being area's we've yet to visit. I can easily see them just grabbing a bunch of these and making an expansion based on it.
The Ogre isle being an easy new race location for ogres and the underground caves of northrend being another.
I think would be great
Wonder if there were any plans for a lillian voss and gunther arcanus quest
I saw another comment about him as well, did Blizz ever talk about using him in WoD or something? I can’t find anything about him online
@@TheMrbrutalbutters It's just a joke about how much Hiru likes talking about them
In summary: "Look at this cool thing you can do!"
On release: "That did not happen.."
I actually really enjoyed the gameplay of WoD, and prefer it more than what we have now. The problem is.. there was just like 4 weeks worth of content for the entire expansion.
They could have made my boy so great.
If they do a Classic WoD one day, I hope they add everything that was cut
Imagine for those people who went to that BlizzCon and listened to them, all those lies and u open wod and find out, nothing was good as they said so.
The isle South of Nagrand was not removed: that's Highmaul, it was just moved to the West. That helps explain why Highmaul in live is a massive isle fully modeled but only 30% of it is used. The other continent mentioned was supposed to be the land of the ogres and Highmaul would act a step before we reached there. In a panel was mentioned that this new continent would have its own different fauna and flora (I well remember this because sounded a bit random to mention) that was lost due to being destroyed in the main universe whe Draenor became Outland. As said in the video, when Gorgrond was being developed it was just a desert with railtracks all around. Why I mention this? Because there was no trace of botani or genesaur there until late in development. My speculation is that botani and genesaur were supposed to be in this new continent (remember they mentioned "flora") and since it was cut they moved them to Gorgrond, that's why is inconsistent that there's no trace of them in Outland but would make sense in the initial approach.
Remember when Hiru said WoD could have been the best expac?
I guess he decided to prove it with physical and visual evidence...again lol
Hellfire Citadel was planned to be the last raid of the expansion from the start with Grommash as the final boss, but the zone was never meant to have all the fel taint. They released a blog post saying "having another orc raid so close to SoO and Blackrock Foundry would be too similar" so they added Gul'dan into the mix to corrupt everything.
But Gul'dan is literally an orc too...
Starting to think Warlords sucked cause devs were Cube Crawling playing CoD and getting shitfaced
And groping female co-workers
@@amadeusagripino6862 If only they had their hands on the keyboard instead of a co-worker's boobs.
Maybe we would've had a fully fleshed-out WoD that created a smooth segue into Legion. After that, we could've had a coherent faction war expansion leading into an epic Black Empire expansion.
@@karisumataichou yeah, if only their female workers were also working...
@@SMILE53335 hard to be productive when your being abused.
@@fistofram5526 you disgust me
It is clear that's a lot of work and effort to spend
Thanks, man for providing us with this!
Could've been such a good expansion. What a shame.
The title should actually be how WOD was just cut from the game lmao. Great video and keep up the high quality content :)
I'm still waiting for the dance studio that they promised back in Wrath
WOD was such an underwhelming expansion, and seeing this makes it clear why. so much cut content that would have made the expansion amazing.
WoD was a Shakespearean tragedy.
I'm fine with scrapping the worgen curse quest and purple dessert.
Suggestion: categorize these stuff
---Geography---
Alliance City: (0:02)
Horde City: (0:27)
Ogre Continent: (0:58)
Farahlon: (1:17)
Zangarmarsh Zone: (10:38)
Removed Islands : (13:01)
Early Gorgrond Trains : (11:56)
Broken Horn Village : (9:42)
Frostfire Purple Desert: (2:14)
Shattrath Raid: (2:42)
---Character Story---
The Chronal Spire : (8:14)
Kargath Survives : (10:07)
Gromash Hellscream Final Boss : (7:55)
Gorehowl legendary : (8:50)
Medivh Cameo : (13:16)
Maraad & Yrel relationship : (12:44)
Feral Worgen storyline : (12:20)
---Garrison---
Garrison in any zone: (3:20)
Trophies: (4:04)
Renaming your Followers: (4:20)
Tier 3 customization: (4:49)
Specific Follower Missions: (5:45)
Garrison buildings wherever you want: (6:34)
---PVP PVE Stuff---
Class Accessories : (10:25)
Cleave Tertiary Stat : (7:07)
Ages of War Await : (11:37)
The 4 Scrapped Battlegrounds : (11:03)
Trial of the Gladiator : (13:34)
i start to feel like Hiru have some personal feelings for WoD
Whenever i think of blizzard cutting content...WoD immediately comes to mind. I recall being very upset seeing just how utterly gutted WoD felt. It simply was no where even close to being ready. It was clear they shifted allot of the resources away from wow to other projects. After watching the video, i cant help but believe that...blizzard just absolutely lied about wod from the start.
Conflicted about the no intro. It’s like a meal without an appetizer xD. Intros can be like 15-20 seconds, which is nothing at all
No fluff!
Should have had an outro though, got whiplash when the video ended out of nowhere
@@hirumaredx ohh, I get it now! I had my eyes closed when the video ended and had to rewatch the last minute to make sure I hadn't fallen asleep.
You know those pictures people take where they arrange all the fur they’ve brushed off their pet into a smaller pet. That’s how i feel about the massive amount of cut content in WOD. There’s nearly enough of it to make its own functional expac.
WoD had so much potential, but alas… nice raids tho
I think you left out the Blackrock Harbor daily quest zone that was meant to be introduced alongside the Shipyard update. You even still do one of the daily quests that would have been there, but only once during an introduction quest to the Shipyard.
After these years do we have an explanation of what happened and so much content was scraped?
Λεφτά. Αυτό ήταν το πρόβλημα δεν τους έδωσε δυνατό μπατζετ η activision.
@@Abyssalterror14 δλδ τους γαμησανε Ε ρε φίλε και ακόμα όπως το παρουσίασαν ήταν πολύ ωραίο τα raids τα dungeons το garrison απλά άμα ήταν και η shattrath raid με 2-3 bosses θα ήταν ακόμα καλύτερα. Και το hellfire σαν τελευταίο raid ούτως ή άλλως
I appreciate this being shared! It confirms a lot of misty suspicion... and brings some sadness. What could have been had corporate not decided to trash the development process. I suppose some investors needed more in their quarterly dividend right then... and that tradition of lower development standards continued. I'm glad I picked Lord of the Rings Online for my gaming time instead.
WoD was the last time i had fun in WoW actually. even tho much was cutted. It had the potential to be the best xpac but Blizz scrapped it as usual. Damn trial of the gladiator would be so awesome in retail.. but anyway im done with the game.
Agreed, I absolutely loved WoD, but it was the last time I truly enjoyed playing WoW. Classes actually felt unique and different, and the story and gameplay elements we did get were amazing.
@@SharpTony yeah and i was huge in PvP and PvE. Had tons of fun in Ashran. Now its an BG which is laggy as hell even with lesser people and is degraded to a zergfest.
I feel like I've watched this video 5 times by now, but hirumaredx videos are like dessert. Always room for another.
Remember they upped the charge for this expansion.
I feel like a simp giving blizzard a dime after this travesty of an expansion.
EU got cucked by greedy Acti-Blizz and their excuses.
Kinda like the expansions this video just ups and ends. I really liked it!
There might have been more content in WOD If the team wasn’t too busy sexually harassing and bullying women to the point of suicide 🤔
Are you some brainwashed by Twitter kid or what?
@@Alex-dc2bp she killed herself few days ago, and not in 2015, you know?
And why should we care? A LOT of humans kill themselves, but if it's a woman, then it's important?
@@SMILE53335 Alex Afrasiabi is that you?
@@MrMrTravman wtf
@@SMILE53335 Last time I checked, people cared about anyone that killed themselvest, when they find out about it. I for certain would be sad if I heard someone killed themselves over sexual abuse, regardless of their gender. It's called empathy.
I love the way you do videos.
"No fluff"
Indeed
I subbed today and spent more time managing addons than gameplay, i refunded after...
The look on Metzens face when they went through the features should have alerted us all.
You hear the condescending system designers rhetoric.. "We don't want you to swap it once a day" ... they throttle the fun you can have in the game in order to milk as much playtime as possible.. thats so disguisting.
Or they just dont want to make all decisions meaningless by just making it so you change out your options for whatever is best at that exact moment, thus basically just making it an extra step for whatever content you're doing.
@@lenkagamine4145 Thats what a blind man tells himself to justify this BS
@@ViewTube_Emperor_of_Mankind What a conceited view. If you just use that view for everything you could justify literally any position.
This expansion had so much potential.
11:56 they added that back in BFA for mag’har scenario that’s all we can say about that
There was probably a power struggle and very troubled development during WoD
Ion came in straight after and probably immediately started working on Legion
@DrWienerful Legion had great story and clever use of class hall backgrounds and artefact weapon history in old world azeroth lore. The new systems of world quests, AP and random legendries were excitingly new and gave people something to grind, compared to WoD where there was only endless work orders. Ofcourse we all burned out and found it insanely anti-alt, but the financial success of Legion was inevitably going to result in copycat sequels in BfA and SL.
The Golden Boy, Asmon. I know you'll be watching
WoD was like working a day at Blizzards.
You start off sober and with a great idea and by the time you finish your drunken cubical crawl you realize you forgot most of the features and the expansion came out a month ago
With Chris metzen no longer with blizzard
My childhood is really dead
the Team of Warcraft has basically been entirely exchanged. No wonder it dowsnt feel like Azeroth anymore.
Whenever I level new characters I get excited at the thought of returning to the WoD expansion. Spending so much time in my garrison initially gives me real nostalgia akin to Vanilla, plus the systems and Followers, Treasures, dailies, etc we’re actually so good. The content drought certainly is a thing but fuck if I don’t have mostly good memories of WoD
WoD makes me really feel like a Horde member. Delving into Orcish culture was awesome.
It’s 2 in the morning
Go to bed
Blizzard is like a boxer who just landed the winning blow, did a victory lap around the ring, then threw air punches and knocked himself out cold.