3:10 There was an interview with Jet Li where he praised Jackie because he was one of the more practiced martial artists in film, and that filming this sequence could have been much harder. The chemistry between them made it so they didn't have to do a lot of takes!
yup took 4 takes on average. Jackie Chan also said the same thing, that it's exceptionally rare for him to match someone who was able to do fights in so few takes.
@@jkingsley3656 Jackie says that but he had a dedicated team of stuntmen he worked with on every film, and they were so practiced they had their own "fight language" in grunts and yelps to help keep time and let Jackie know where the next piece was coming from. They could practice fights for a day and seamlessly do them at varied speeds the next day for multiple takes.
to this day i'm still astounded by the fact that Jackie and Jet had to do this at half speed because all the camera saw was blurred motion when they went full out.
Not the first time Jet Li was told to slow it down. Not so sure about Jackie though. I remember when he did New Police Story he fought one of the "kids" (I can't remember the name). He was using mainly kicks and Jackie told him that he was to slow with his kicks.
Another part of the deflection to the outside is that a major foundation for the martials arts taught at the Beijing School of Opera is Wing Chun, which emphasizes control of the midline (shortest distance between two combatants).
i think i was too young to appreciate this movie when i was 18 when this came out, ever since i had seen tony jaa in action i was like "pffftt look at these guys using wires laaame" now im like, oh this is pretty damn amazing actually.
1. About the blocking, I think it was by the technique used since Kung-Fu has been made, I mean that how it was used. Unlike today it's different. Less less less style. It's about just fighting not the martial-arts. Practicality also. But this kind of film make us see the beauty of Martial arts culture. That is why they are called martial art heroes. 2. Yes, who is that young actor? I saw him to in a superhero movie, Hero Academy!? As I watch I cannot but feel so much envy. I wanna cry in the cinema. Imagine you are with the two biggest ICONS of martial arts, film industry and them working together for the first time. Like what they say "Never before maybe never again". The last time they worked together also with Donnie Yen was in Building of a Republic, I haven't seen it though but it was criticized for some historical inaccuracy or revisionism. 3. It's writer, whom we should be thankful for making this film possible. From a bedtime story he made up for his kid before bedtime Wu Kong became alive here. He immeJetli he he thought of Jet Li as Wu Kong and the Monk and who asked to play as DM and of course choreography by Yuen-Woo Ping. Woo Ping was surprised with the script cuz it already has a right scene or mentioned of techniques to be used then he had the idea of putting Jet's inconceivable power and Jackie's comic character. In a behind the scene of director or produce said hey were just too fast and asked to slowdown. And the two were making jokes. And the behind to scene they were really to fast and that's their normal speed. In Kiss of the Dragon (interview If I remember correctly) I read that they move (as martial artists) 6-7X faster than normal a person. I, we surely are wishing to see them again at new a film together. In the nearest future. I really that kid. I am a huge fan of Jet Li and there he was with 2 Diamond.
4:25 he also starred in Sky High (the 2005 movie about the superhero high school) as well as a few other movies and shows en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Angarano
I always move myself to the outside too. Can use the positioning to shield yourself from a next attack. But this is tv kung fu. So maybe it just looks cooler
That's my thought process as well. I mean sometimes I'll go inside if they get used to me going outside all the time or if I mess up and misread the punch. But it just feels so risky to me
They both do a lot of wire work in this fight. You can tell by how softly they can land after being flipped or hit. When Jet Li gets thrown up onto that pedestal & Jackie jumps up after him & then they both fall & land, light as a feather... , wires !! You can't fight gravity !
Damn you always have so much energy! I love it Also they prob deflect inside because it allows for prolonged oucnh exchanges. Even in Chinese martial arts there is a tendency to stay on the outside
This was an awesome look back at good ol Jackie and Jet in a movie I nearly forgot. 👍👍👍👍 Any chance you could do a video on a classic favorite of mine called Mantis Fist vs Tiger Claws of Shaolin. The whole movie has great fight scenes. Anywho.. No spoilers here if you haven't ever seen it.
3:42 Maybe it's some kind of showing strength "I don't have to use the most effective way, I will still beat you". Or maybe soneone said 'Outside looks better on camera. Do it' :)
no expert but that question near 3:45. from what ive learnt it's pretty important to "stay" or take control of the center line. more stable/power/control of the fight etc (also that helps when you are in a position where there's things in the way/you cant back off to the side/back). Well another reason i can think of is camera angles. it's good choreography if both fighters stay centered in the same shot exchanging blows but that's just conjecture on my end.
Yeah it looks great on camera and does let the scene flow on nicely. Sometimes I'll deflect and go inside but it's much less often and also sometimes if I just plain make a mistake and misread the lunch it will happen sometimes too
Red/brown, in normal belts, is 3rd, I passed first 2, red/brown is beat yourself. I can't, All day water on wrist and knees, I'm a tired motherf. Then fight myself. I started thinking, Brains also, No one can win, allow to lose( Major secret, but try, very hard you'll fight back.). Black belt. Yes I jumped 2 belts. red/black. To me I thought, more red. That's where I'm at now, 5 years.The test, can't pass. Oh no one knows what style. Kung Fu. Hardest. Remember tip, 5000 pupils tried. nope. Took me 5 months, take your time, last puzzle is worst. Impossible, please don't say ( go with the flow, waves crash on you, maybe being sucked undertow, lungs burning for air or you.)
Their forms were amazing. Especially when they went into the less known mantis and tiger styles. Jet Li's pose of the mantis was just like the warning they give (danger) before striking, and Jackie's tiger was so smooth like second nature.
Never heard tiger or mantis called "less known" before. 90% its one of those forms anytime the animal styles are used in a movie, its one of those two.
Blocking on the inside allows for bigger motions and lets the performers continue to face each other without awkward turns or breaking off. While there are legit reasons to block that way (for example, there are a ton of nerves on the inside of the arm) it's mostly about more exciting fight choreography.
Yeah, irl, its very much a risk/reward thing. Blocking and moving inside opens your opponent up to so many more striking points. But it also exposes you to their other arm and legs.
2 reasons for the blocking outward: 1) it is easier to film, and does not block the vision of what is going on, for the viewer. 2) a lot of chinese martial arts, emphasize the center line theory, in which you try to block outwards, then step in so you can close off the secondary punch, by making it's path towards your center line longer, than your offhand's path to intercept or counter the attack. they also like cutting the power of strikes, by meeting them before they had full acceleration or extention, so they can lessen the power of the impact down significantly.
Yes!!!!! The animal style kung fu shown here is awesome: Jet Li’s mantis and Jackie Chan using tiger and crane. This entire film is great and as always, no one does Drunken Fist like Jackie Chan.
@@camiloiribarren1450 he's the most famous one. Usually in the movies Hung Gar practitioners of the Lau and Chiu families did it. Knowing how to move is one thing, even how to use some of the practical strikes etc. But he literally seems to live the moment when doing his performances and that's apparently the key to it.
It works so well because you not only have 2 amazing Martial Artists, but 2 masters of on screen Martial Arts. What I mean by that is that they both know exactly what it takes to make these fights work from a vision point. So awesome to see, and also surprising that this movie was the first time they had ever worked together.
Impressive given that Jackie is 9/10 years older than Jet...In the Tea house fight the directors commentary pointed out that some cynics think Jackies getting too old to do what he does...should take another look at his fluidity of motion and power. He stated that the Chinese have a name for "explosive power" and that Jackie has it.
To this day, I still get chills when I watch this fight scene/movie and think about the type of mastery these two bring to this film. I grew up watching Jet and Jackie way before they became popular in the west and was equally surprised that this was their firt time together in a movie. Even the styles theys use is almost like am homage or a greatest hits of all their stuff combined into one 👍
I remember hearing about this film on the radio in 2006 when I was stationed in Hawaii. Come 2008 when it came out the theater was PACKED and everyone in there lost their minds at this scene.
If you like, take a look at the ending fight when the protagonist gets back. You realize he wasn't being trained to win a fight he was ludicrously outmatched in. He was being trained to win the fight he was in at the film's beginning.
Former wushu practitioner here. We used to block almost exclusively on the inside because blocking is considered the beginning of counter attack. An inside block if executed correctly can deal A LOT of disrupt to the attacker's arm. Plus, it's easier to go for a hip throw from the inside.
This is still the best part of the movie to watch in my opinion. I love watching Southern Kung fu and Northern Kung fu square off. And the 2 animal styles are exactly what you expect from them. Even when they used snake vs eagle.
I’m still impressed by your reactions! If you get a chance, you should check out the scene Taking Home the Bacon from the movie Warrior. As to the reason why wushu fighters deflect outwards is because it is a form of soft technique that requires the least amount of effort and uses the opponent’s momentum to shift the opponent into a position that would be more advantageous for the defender to switch from defensive to offensive styles and also throws the opponent off balance
It's funny because all of the drunken fist styles in videogames are basically based on Jackie Chan's interpretation of the style. So every character end up fighting just like Jackie.
On deflection.. it's for the counter, creating shorter movements, making more moves in split seconds. Controlling the inside will make you more dominant against the opponent.
It really depends. A lot of tiger techniques are straight forward, but also go to the opponents sides just as one example and you then want to hit the flanks as hard as possible while preventing the opponent of turning towards you. Sure you can work on the inside, but then you usually would want to go all in and either allways control the opponents arms through bridges, or get in really close. Well.. and an open front is sometimes easyer to hit than a flank blocked by an arm. I'd say working inside has a higher risk, but can reap higher rewards while working outside is usually safer. We learn and do both, because plans usually don't work in messy fights 😂
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I think the reason for deflection to the inside is to overextend the opponent’s momentum and throw them off balance. For example, if I throw a right cross and you deflect it hard to the inside, then my options for a counterattack are greatly shortened since my arm is being pushed further than intended.
Yes, this is correct. In many Chinese martial arts like Wu Shu you absolutely want to stay inside, and centered yourself.. And deflecting punches like this reflect that as well. They even have things like inside kicks, and stuff like that.. They split human body to outside and inside sections as well. You are absolutely correct with this.
As others mentioned, the 'inside' block opens way to opponent's throat and allows a very, very quick kill. But you shouldn't kill in modern tournaments. For a non-lethal response blocking to the outside is more useful, as you can deliver non-lethal punches while the opponent has a harder time to respond.
Hello there. Nice video, well done. I am a martial artist myself for 24 years now, Kung-Fu is in my core, duo not first art. And let me tell you- The presentation is amazing, but like in most Kung-Fu scenes, they are breaking human physics. WE CAN'T FLY! About the deflection, this is a common philosophy in Kung-Fu, from the inside out, it allows me a bigger range of motion so I can follow. And I am joining your channel, I love your reactions, and I can donate from my knowledge if you like. In Kung-Fu I practice: Dragon style, Southern style and Hong-Gar.
There are 2 reasons to deflect punches that way. The first reason is because when you deflect that way it's faster then deflecting the other way, now the reason this is, is because you can keep your hands tucked into the inside while deflecting, the other way seems faster but it isn't when you have to keep deflecting multiple punches in a row. The second reason is for visual effect. When you deflect the other way it's not as visually appealing and you'll see this theme over and over again in movies they do moves that are much BIGGER just to make them more visually appealing as compared to doing a movie that's realistically tiny but more more effective.
Michael Angarano, who played the "main character" has actually had a fairly long-ish career....but this was definitely one of his high points. His other big credit was as the main character in that film Shy High where he was the son of super hero parents. Aside from that, he mostly had smaller roles, or single episode appearances on TV shows. So yeah....he kind of did get lucky and got to be in a Jackie/Jet film and disappeared. lol
I love your positive vibes along the way. You must love Kung Fu so much? And what better Kung Fu there is than the one "played" by both Kung Fu "heroes" of all times: *Jackie Chan* and *Jet Li.* Most of us probably watch these two as we grew up. Watching these two collaborate is like having Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger fight each other: you wouldn't want to see either one lose. Haha.
3 things about this movie. 1st I'm hoping for round 2 in the expendables films. 2nd I love that jet li and Jackie Chan both got or play their original roles, Jackie, as the drunken master, and Jet Li as the monkey king. 3rd, please review legend of the fists with Jet LI the scene where he defends the school by incorporating American boxing with Kung fu is such a great scene to show how modern mma came about.
One of the more amazing things, regarding story, for this fight scene is the fact that Jackie is a Mortal while Jet is the avatar of a God constructed from a single hair. Jackie's character pretends to be the God of Wine and Drink. So a mortal holding their own against the avatar of a God is pretty dope.
I'm not trained in any of this but I love how you see someone doing something you don't normally do and you aren't saying it's wrong, you just want to understand it. Love how you view these things :D
Staying on the inside and close to the opponent. It gives you more options and a larger target while keeping the opponent limited and in a disadvantage.
The beauty about scenes like these is from a movie standpoint itself. Due to the fact both Jackie Chan and Jet Li can actually fight, they can show these fight sequences in a single full body shot. Which means you see all the movements and stuff. With actors and actresses where thats not the case you have these shaky camera’s that continuesly cut to the hands or feet, then to the face. All because the actions themselves are done by stunt people. Like that a fight is much harder to follow as you basically dont know whats actually happening. But with this scene for example you see the whole fight in a clear sequence without unnecessary cuts.
So this other dude mention a scene from a show called Banshee on the atomic blonde video on the channel, honestly about to binge the series after what i saw, but theres a scene called Sheriff hood vs champ Damien Sanchez(mma dude), he had recommended you to check out, i checked it out, said holy shit i see why he said it scared the shit out of him for some odd reason, if you ever do that video, might need like a viewer discretion is advised type warning at the start lol it is like an mma fight but.....like if no ref is involved to call out things
It was a silly movie but the action sequences were fun to watch. I think the whole blocking inwards or outwards is probably more about how it looks than some martial arts principle. In my studies of Kung Fu I was told that blocking someone closed made it harder for them to hit you but also closes off your own avenues of attack because you end up only able to follow up into their side or back. A block that opens up your opponent may allow you to get a better hit in, assuming your block and hit are combined into one move or at least close together. It's not generally effective to try and combine two attacks in one move, but a block and counter attack more often are. So blocking someone from the inside as part of a block and counter combo can be good. Although, this is not like MMA or street fight type advice and it's very old advice as well so whether this is truly useful advice I can't really say.
kid goku riding shenron makes that a dragon ball shirt - not a dragon ball z shirt ... Z being the story of son goku as an adult with the original DB covering his childhood.
I haven’t watched the film to it’s fullest because I feel it wasn’t going to be good. I’m personally not in favour and tired of seeing a white kid “saviour/protagonist” in a predominantly Asian cast. He always looks way out of place. The other issue is that Jackie and Jet should’ve done a film together at least 20 years earlier while they were still in their prime. I also prefer a realistic fight without cables. A positive note: Jackie and Jet have both expressed how easy it was working together. Jackie said: “I have not worked with someone whom I’m comfortable with, in terms of movements, rhythm and natural reactions, in the last 10 years. I have done many fight scenes with others but there were usually more than 10 takes, which is a waste of time as the person may forget his moves and unnecessary injuries. When I fought with Jet, our actions were quick. We also didn’t have to do the same stunt over 20 times.”
Meeting of legends, every fan of this two great actors was waiting for that moment where they both be in same movie..... but for me i still prefer Jackie chan
Blocking outward is good for a strait counter attack to the body or throat, especially if you're against an untrained &/or slower opponent, but I was also taught stepping to the side (inward). Of course then again, It has been years that I had practiced, but use to be pretty fast and flexible, NOW I would just break a hip lol
They deflect like that because of distance of recovery. You want to force your opponent to take the longest time to perform an action while giving yourself the shortest time. You'll also notice that after they deflect outwards, their opponent's next attack coming from the other side they'll push across the centreline. When Jackie switches to tiger he demonstrates why. Because he pushes Jet Li's strike across the centreline, it opens up Jet Li's side. If Jackie was using a weapon, that would have been a killing blow. You'll also notice that it takes longer for Jet Li to recover. If they were using swords, the reasoning would make even more sense. Also take note of the positions they are in as they attack and deflect. I think it is most evident in the tiger style portion. Jet Li does the cartwheel flip to break the positioning Jackie has forced him into so he can reset and the fight can continue.
Regarding to blocking from inside and worry about other hand coming to hit you. He's got two arms, you got two arms too. One arm defends while the other attacks. Then the other defends and the other now attacks. Ying-yang, always interchanging. Switching back and forth, in motion, like the waves of the ocean, sweeping back and forth, never ceasing. This is the start of water element study. then wind...so forth
The sound effects for the tiger style that Jackie Chan's character was using still holds up very well and I get chills whenever I hear it. The baas is insane!
Man this movie don't get enough credit....I was astounded that they leaned so heavily into Journey to the West (that was as much of a draw as Chan & Li being in a movie together; I own the book series & had been reading them well before I was introduced to OG Dragonball....which also had me giddy when I saw Son Goku, Nimbus, the staff, & characters like Oolong for the first time) SN: I could be wrong, but I'm thinking they parried & stayed in each other's centerline moreso for cinematic effect; as the practical move would def be to get on the outside but would lead into a whole different sequence of fight choreography that might be more practical but not quite as appealing to the eye as the way they were trading blows throughout...
these are stunt doubles they’re getting old to do too many complicated stuff, movie sucks its modern karate kid but worse, only reason to watch is this maybe, heck even dragons forever jackie used a stunt double during a slowmo scene which is stupid you can tell its not him
So I'm a black belt and a huge Jackie Chan fan, and I love your reactions of his fights. As a fan, I of course have some favorite fights. So may I suggest: The ladder fight from Jackie Chan's First Strike Singing in the Rain fight from Shanghai Knights Amsterdam fight from Who Am I Love your videos!
finally!! a movie with good sound effects, not like some of the old movies, sounds like grandma killing a rat with a stick every time they trow a punch, this is one of the movies i was about to tell you to react, hero of course with jet li and donnie yen some matches from ip man, but you have to check Iron Monkey, and try to find the US version, the old one comes with the horrible sound effects the us version sounds like this one, every hit has some weight and the right time, in the old movies they talk out of sync lolll
it's so weird how these two legends of hong kong and mainland chinese martial arts films never did an action scene together except in this american film
Good film and good fight, but we saw greater films and greater fights than this. Collaboration between them in an American film it's also a bit disappointing. If they were in a Chinese film I bet the fight and the story would be really interesting.
It’s probably already been said (in reference to the deflecting from inside to out); but yeah, it’s pretty simple and basic. You want to stay on the inside/centre line, as well as knowing that parrying is just moving the attack slightly off target. So the “ideal safe ground” is within those two conceptual approaches.
I loved this movie. Here is a couple of movies you should try. Volcano High (Korean film) The Man from Hong Kong They Call Me Bruce ( with Johnny Yune) Comedy American Ninja Blood sport with Bolo Yung and Van Damme
By deflecting the punches to the outside helps open up your opponent’s center line. This helps create opportunities where you can hit vital points and helps reduce the distance needed to strike back.
Deflecting angles are for the purpose of the camera angle to capture best scenes in order for the audience to view and enjoy. That's entertainment! Not forgetting, it's a movie! Shouldn't be compared to a real fight situation. Learn to be humble. Practice makes perfect! Not "think-talk-self praise!" The less this is done, the less "confusion in knowledge" within the Martial Arts community. 🙏
3:10 There was an interview with Jet Li where he praised Jackie because he was one of the more practiced martial artists in film, and that filming this sequence could have been much harder. The chemistry between them made it so they didn't have to do a lot of takes!
even in slo-mo i could not copy his iconic 1 leg drunken stance
yup took 4 takes on average. Jackie Chan also said the same thing, that it's exceptionally rare for him to match someone who was able to do fights in so few takes.
@@jkingsley3656 Jackie says that but he had a dedicated team of stuntmen he worked with on every film, and they were so practiced they had their own "fight language" in grunts and yelps to help keep time and let Jackie know where the next piece was coming from. They could practice fights for a day and seamlessly do them at varied speeds the next day for multiple takes.
to this day i'm still astounded by the fact that Jackie and Jet had to do this at half speed because all the camera saw was blurred motion when they went full out.
Not the first time Jet Li was told to slow it down. Not so sure about Jackie though.
I remember when he did New Police Story he fought one of the "kids" (I can't remember the name). He was using mainly kicks and Jackie told him that he was to slow with his kicks.
And to think Bruce Lee was quicker than Jackie Chan 😂 insane
I keep hoping they release a behind-the-scenes/raw footage of when they were going all out.
I feel like seeing Jackie Chan and Jet Li go at it at full speed would be like watching something out of Dragonball Z
I would prefer seeing full speed as a blur to having them slow down.
Another part of the deflection to the outside is that a major foundation for the martials arts taught at the Beijing School of Opera is Wing Chun, which emphasizes control of the midline (shortest distance between two combatants).
That white kid also ended up in the very dark comedy the Brass Teapot. That shit's something else. He was also Will Stronghold in Sky High
You did it!!! Omg I love this fight… so many styles on display
That dragon ball shirt goes dummy too
i think i was too young to appreciate this movie when i was 18 when this came out, ever since i had seen tony jaa in action i was like "pffftt look at these guys using wires laaame" now im like, oh this is pretty damn amazing actually.
It's always nice to see fighters use their elbows.
1. About the blocking, I think it was by the technique used since Kung-Fu has been made, I mean that how it was used. Unlike today it's different. Less less less style. It's about just fighting not the martial-arts. Practicality also. But this kind of film make us see the beauty of Martial arts culture. That is why they are called martial art heroes.
2. Yes, who is that young actor? I saw him to in a superhero movie, Hero Academy!? As I watch I cannot but feel so much envy. I wanna cry in the cinema. Imagine you are with the two biggest ICONS of martial arts, film industry and them working together for the first time. Like what they say "Never before maybe never again". The last time they worked together also with Donnie Yen was in Building of a Republic, I haven't seen it though but it was criticized for some historical inaccuracy or revisionism.
3. It's writer, whom we should be thankful for making this film possible. From a bedtime story he made up for his kid before bedtime Wu Kong became alive here. He immeJetli he he thought of Jet Li as Wu Kong and the Monk and who asked to play as DM and of course choreography by Yuen-Woo Ping. Woo Ping was surprised with the script cuz it already has a right scene or mentioned of techniques to be used then he had the idea of putting Jet's inconceivable power and Jackie's comic character.
In a behind the scene of director or produce said hey were just too fast and asked to slowdown. And the two were making jokes. And the behind to scene they were really to fast and that's their normal speed. In Kiss of the Dragon (interview If I remember correctly) I read that they move (as martial artists) 6-7X faster than normal a person.
I, we surely are wishing to see them again at new a film together. In the nearest future. I really that kid. I am a huge fan of Jet Li and there he was with 2 Diamond.
Jackie Chan vs. Jet Li? Hell yes!
The deflections steer them to a mark for the explosive punch to be filmed
It's to leave the center open to strike your opponent because these styles it's mostly inside.
what he was drinking was just wine, he didn't get the elixir of immortality until near the end of the movie
4:25 he also starred in Sky High (the 2005 movie about the superhero high school) as well as a few other movies and shows en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Angarano
People say KungFu doesn't work in a real fight, but when these guys go to town ............. SILENCE. (This is my favorite part 6:31)
Well, Chan had more experience in drunken boxing on screen. But have you seen Jet Lee in "Last Hero in China"?
I've never watched it but that was so fun!
I always move myself to the outside too. Can use the positioning to shield yourself from a next attack.
But this is tv kung fu. So maybe it just looks cooler
That's my thought process as well. I mean sometimes I'll go inside if they get used to me going outside all the time or if I mess up and misread the punch. But it just feels so risky to me
They both do a lot of wire work in this fight. You can tell by how softly they can land after being flipped or hit. When Jet Li gets thrown up onto that pedestal & Jackie jumps up after him & then they both fall & land, light as a feather... , wires !! You can't fight gravity !
Damn you always have so much energy! I love it
Also they prob deflect inside because it allows for prolonged oucnh exchanges. Even in Chinese martial arts there is a tendency to stay on the outside
Your opponent loses strength whenever your on the inside
This was an awesome look back at good ol Jackie and Jet in a movie I nearly forgot. 👍👍👍👍
Any chance you could do a video on a classic favorite of mine called Mantis Fist vs Tiger Claws of Shaolin. The whole movie has great fight scenes.
Anywho.. No spoilers here if you haven't ever seen it.
Please react to Jet Li's Born to Defence. Thank you. 😊
jet li is a god when it comes to drunken sword, or at least he was when he was young
Gotta watch Redbelt the last scene at the tournament
The only reason this movie happened was so they could fight. And I'm not mad about it
Like a newer version of Warriors of Virtue. Both awesome, can't tell you better.
Spl3 paradox fight scene reaction.
Should be next week!!!
@@BurridgeMartialArts604 thanks.
3:42 Maybe it's some kind of showing strength "I don't have to use the most effective way, I will still beat you". Or maybe soneone said 'Outside looks better on camera. Do it' :)
Jet li has hyperthyroidism that’s why we don’t see him in movies as much
no expert but that question near 3:45. from what ive learnt it's pretty important to "stay" or take control of the center line. more stable/power/control of the fight etc (also that helps when you are in a position where there's things in the way/you cant back off to the side/back).
Well another reason i can think of is camera angles. it's good choreography if both fighters stay centered in the same shot exchanging blows but that's just conjecture on my end.
Yeah it looks great on camera and does let the scene flow on nicely. Sometimes I'll deflect and go inside but it's much less often and also sometimes if I just plain make a mistake and misread the lunch it will happen sometimes too
@@BurridgeMartialArts604 Yuen woo-ping choreographed the fights in this movie so he has a fairly decent idea about what looks cinematic... 😉
Red/brown, in normal belts, is 3rd, I passed first 2, red/brown is beat yourself. I can't, All day water on wrist and knees, I'm a tired motherf. Then fight myself. I started thinking, Brains also, No one can win, allow to lose( Major secret, but try, very hard you'll fight back.). Black belt. Yes I jumped 2 belts. red/black. To me I thought, more red. That's where I'm at now, 5 years.The test, can't pass. Oh no one knows what style. Kung Fu. Hardest. Remember tip, 5000 pupils tried. nope. Took me 5 months, take your time, last puzzle is worst. Impossible, please don't say ( go with the flow, waves crash on you, maybe being sucked undertow, lungs burning for air or you.)
6:50 NO FOOL!
Their forms were amazing. Especially when they went into the less known mantis and tiger styles. Jet Li's pose of the mantis was just like the warning they give (danger) before striking, and Jackie's tiger was so smooth like second nature.
Never heard tiger or mantis called "less known" before. 90% its one of those forms anytime the animal styles are used in a movie, its one of those two.
Blocking on the inside allows for bigger motions and lets the performers continue to face each other without awkward turns or breaking off. While there are legit reasons to block that way (for example, there are a ton of nerves on the inside of the arm) it's mostly about more exciting fight choreography.
It is because outward motion is easier and faster.
Yeah, irl, its very much a risk/reward thing. Blocking and moving inside opens your opponent up to so many more striking points. But it also exposes you to their other arm and legs.
2 reasons for the blocking outward:
1) it is easier to film, and does not block the vision of what is going on, for the viewer.
2) a lot of chinese martial arts, emphasize the center line theory, in which you try to block outwards, then step in so you can close off the secondary punch, by making it's path towards your center line longer, than your offhand's path to intercept or counter the attack. they also like cutting the power of strikes, by meeting them before they had full acceleration or extention, so they can lessen the power of the impact down significantly.
This, and also if blocking inward you can not make use of the Kinetic energy of the enemys blow you "blocked". Because, it is more like a "Parry".
Yes!!!!! The animal style kung fu shown here is awesome: Jet Li’s mantis and Jackie Chan using tiger and crane. This entire film is great and as always, no one does Drunken Fist like Jackie Chan.
Has anyone else ever done it though? I think Donnie Yen could be as good.
@@Wolverine1987 are you asking historically or in movies/media?
@@camiloiribarren1450 movies/media
@@Wolverine1987 I think Jackie Chain’s the most famous one
@@camiloiribarren1450 he's the most famous one. Usually in the movies Hung Gar practitioners of the Lau and Chiu families did it. Knowing how to move is one thing, even how to use some of the practical strikes etc. But he literally seems to live the moment when doing his performances and that's apparently the key to it.
It works so well because you not only have 2 amazing Martial Artists, but 2 masters of on screen Martial Arts. What I mean by that is that they both know exactly what it takes to make these fights work from a vision point. So awesome to see, and also surprising that this movie was the first time they had ever worked together.
Impressive given that Jackie is 9/10 years older than Jet...In the Tea house fight the directors commentary pointed out that some cynics think Jackies getting too old to do what he does...should take another look at his fluidity of motion and power. He stated that the Chinese have a name for "explosive power" and that Jackie has it.
To this day, I still get chills when I watch this fight scene/movie and think about the type of mastery these two bring to this film. I grew up watching Jet and Jackie way before they became popular in the west and was equally surprised that this was their firt time together in a movie. Even the styles theys use is almost like am homage or a greatest hits of all their stuff combined into one 👍
I remember being excited to see these 2 guys on screen together even at age 30 in ‘08. Was not disappointed!
@FIGHFANNERD 9 Yup 🙂
I remember hearing about this film on the radio in 2006 when I was stationed in Hawaii. Come 2008 when it came out the theater was PACKED and everyone in there lost their minds at this scene.
If you like, take a look at the ending fight when the protagonist gets back. You realize he wasn't being trained to win a fight he was ludicrously outmatched in. He was being trained to win the fight he was in at the film's beginning.
Former wushu practitioner here. We used to block almost exclusively on the inside because blocking is considered the beginning of counter attack. An inside block if executed correctly can deal A LOT of disrupt to the attacker's arm. Plus, it's easier to go for a hip throw from the inside.
This is still the best part of the movie to watch in my opinion. I love watching Southern Kung fu and Northern Kung fu square off. And the 2 animal styles are exactly what you expect from them. Even when they used snake vs eagle.
Generally Chinese martial arts like to stay on the inside to do combat. They're very good at that range.
I’m still impressed by your reactions! If you get a chance, you should check out the scene Taking Home the Bacon from the movie Warrior. As to the reason why wushu fighters deflect outwards is because it is a form of soft technique that requires the least amount of effort and uses the opponent’s momentum to shift the opponent into a position that would be more advantageous for the defender to switch from defensive to offensive styles and also throws the opponent off balance
The drunk master fights style, i agree with you Jackie chan do it better than any one else
How do you feel about true legend.
@@feirabbitt no doubt that both are legends, but as i said before Jackie still my favorite
It's funny because all of the drunken fist styles in videogames are basically based on Jackie Chan's interpretation of the style. So every character end up fighting just like Jackie.
@@ibrohiem that’s why he is the best
On deflection.. it's for the counter, creating shorter movements, making more moves in split seconds. Controlling the inside will make you more dominant against the opponent.
It really depends. A lot of tiger techniques are straight forward, but also go to the opponents sides just as one example and you then want to hit the flanks as hard as possible while preventing the opponent of turning towards you.
Sure you can work on the inside, but then you usually would want to go all in and either allways control the opponents arms through bridges, or get in really close. Well.. and an open front is sometimes easyer to hit than a flank blocked by an arm.
I'd say working inside has a higher risk, but can reap higher rewards while working outside is usually safer. We learn and do both, because plans usually don't work in messy fights 😂
What I loved most about this movie was the Jade Warlord was played by Collin Chou. Collin Chou is one BAD MAN.
I agree. That guy is seriously under-rated.Him and Donni Yen
The Matrix:
1. Neo Vs. Morpheus
2. Morpheus Vs. Agent Smith
3. Neo Vs. Agent Smith
The Animatrix:
1. Virtual Swordfight
The Matrix Reloaded:
1. Neo Vs. Agents
2. Neo Vs Seraph
3. Neo Vs. Smiths: With Healthbars
4. Cheatu Fight
5. Morpheus Vs. Agent
The Matrix Revolutions:
1. Neo Vs. Agent Smith
Definitely should watch the foreigner fight scenes
Should do the French vs Sue fight from Debt Collector 2. Great fight with Scott Adkins 🙂
Don't know if you watch Scott's UA-cam channel but to listen to the two of them break that scene down was awesome and a great listen
I’m just glad they revisited their most famous roles: the drunken master and the shaolin monk.
I think the reason for deflection to the inside is to overextend the opponent’s momentum and throw them off balance. For example, if I throw a right cross and you deflect it hard to the inside, then my options for a counterattack are greatly shortened since my arm is being pushed further than intended.
Yes, this is correct. In many Chinese martial arts like Wu Shu you absolutely want to stay inside, and centered yourself.. And deflecting punches like this reflect that as well. They even have things like inside kicks, and stuff like that.. They split human body to outside and inside sections as well. You are absolutely correct with this.
As others mentioned, the 'inside' block opens way to opponent's throat and allows a very, very quick kill. But you shouldn't kill in modern tournaments. For a non-lethal response blocking to the outside is more useful, as you can deliver non-lethal punches while the opponent has a harder time to respond.
I recommend you react to Jet li vs general fujita fist of legend final fight, amazing jet film
Michael Angarano as of late has been on TV, his last film was in 2018 called In A Relationship. His most recent work was his appearance on This is Us.
Hello there. Nice video, well done. I am a martial artist myself for 24 years now, Kung-Fu is in my core, duo not first art. And let me tell you- The presentation is amazing, but like in most Kung-Fu scenes, they are breaking human physics. WE CAN'T FLY! About the deflection, this is a common philosophy in Kung-Fu, from the inside out, it allows me a bigger range of motion so I can follow. And I am joining your channel, I love your reactions, and I can donate from my knowledge if you like. In Kung-Fu I practice: Dragon style, Southern style and Hong-Gar.
There are 2 reasons to deflect punches that way. The first reason is because when you deflect that way it's faster then deflecting the other way, now the reason this is, is because you can keep your hands tucked into the inside while deflecting, the other way seems faster but it isn't when you have to keep deflecting multiple punches in a row.
The second reason is for visual effect. When you deflect the other way it's not as visually appealing and you'll see this theme over and over again in movies they do moves that are much BIGGER just to make them more visually appealing as compared to doing a movie that's realistically tiny but more more effective.
This was like the “expendables” of martial arts back then: J VS J
I didn’t blink during this fight scene
Michael Angarano, who played the "main character" has actually had a fairly long-ish career....but this was definitely one of his high points. His other big credit was as the main character in that film Shy High where he was the son of super hero parents. Aside from that, he mostly had smaller roles, or single episode appearances on TV shows.
So yeah....he kind of did get lucky and got to be in a Jackie/Jet film and disappeared. lol
Also The reason he was picked for this movie. What is because he is a black belt in karate and was trained by Chuck Norris.
@@Kilopapa-116 Oh?
I love your positive vibes along the way. You must love Kung Fu so much? And what better Kung Fu there is than the one "played" by both Kung Fu "heroes" of all times: *Jackie Chan* and *Jet Li.* Most of us probably watch these two as we grew up. Watching these two collaborate is like having Sylvester Stallone and Arnold Schwarzenegger fight each other: you wouldn't want to see either one lose. Haha.
I think the deflections to the inside is to open up the midsection for you to do damage. Might be more of an attack first mindset.
Try check Donie Yen playing as Wong Kei Ying (Wong Fei hung' father) in the movie Iron Monkey (1993).
We deserve a better Jet Li Jackie Chan collaboration. I love this movie but it's so campy and not always in a good way
You should check out the bar fight in the pilot of AMC's Gangs of London or the axe fight in ep. 104.
No unfortunately that kid from this movie was in Dragonball Evolution.
3 things about this movie. 1st I'm hoping for round 2 in the expendables films.
2nd I love that jet li and Jackie Chan both got or play their original roles, Jackie, as the drunken master, and Jet Li as the monkey king.
3rd, please review legend of the fists with Jet LI the scene where he defends the school by incorporating American boxing with Kung fu is such a great scene to show how modern mma came about.
One of the more amazing things, regarding story, for this fight scene is the fact that Jackie is a Mortal while Jet is the avatar of a God constructed from a single hair. Jackie's character pretends to be the God of Wine and Drink. So a mortal holding their own against the avatar of a God is pretty dope.
I'm not trained in any of this but I love how you see someone doing something you don't normally do and you aren't saying it's wrong, you just want to understand it. Love how you view these things :D
Always be learning c:
Joe taslim vs Andrew Koji very good fight from Warrior 😁
Staying on the inside and close to the opponent. It gives you more options and a larger target while keeping the opponent limited and in a disadvantage.
The beauty about scenes like these is from a movie standpoint itself. Due to the fact both Jackie Chan and Jet Li can actually fight, they can show these fight sequences in a single full body shot. Which means you see all the movements and stuff. With actors and actresses where thats not the case you have these shaky camera’s that continuesly cut to the hands or feet, then to the face. All because the actions themselves are done by stunt people. Like that a fight is much harder to follow as you basically dont know whats actually happening. But with this scene for example you see the whole fight in a clear sequence without unnecessary cuts.
So this other dude mention a scene from a show called Banshee on the atomic blonde video on the channel, honestly about to binge the series after what i saw, but theres a scene called Sheriff hood vs champ Damien Sanchez(mma dude), he had recommended you to check out, i checked it out, said holy shit i see why he said it scared the shit out of him for some odd reason, if you ever do that video, might need like a viewer discretion is advised type warning at the start lol it is like an mma fight but.....like if no ref is involved to call out things
I thought this movie was really awful. But this fight is amazing.
It was a silly movie but the action sequences were fun to watch.
I think the whole blocking inwards or outwards is probably more about how it looks than some martial arts principle.
In my studies of Kung Fu I was told that blocking someone closed made it harder for them to hit you but also closes off your own avenues of attack because you end up only able to follow up into their side or back.
A block that opens up your opponent may allow you to get a better hit in, assuming your block and hit are combined into one move or at least close together. It's not generally effective to try and combine two attacks in one move, but a block and counter attack more often are.
So blocking someone from the inside as part of a block and counter combo can be good. Although, this is not like MMA or street fight type advice and it's very old advice as well so whether this is truly useful advice I can't really say.
kid goku riding shenron makes that a dragon ball shirt - not a dragon ball z shirt ... Z being the story of son goku as an adult with the original DB covering his childhood.
Yes my bad! I misspoke in the video and meant dragon ball
I haven’t watched the film to it’s fullest because I feel it wasn’t going to be good. I’m personally not in favour and tired of seeing a white kid “saviour/protagonist” in a predominantly Asian cast. He always looks way out of place. The other issue is that Jackie and Jet should’ve done a film together at least 20 years earlier while they were still in their prime. I also prefer a realistic fight without cables.
A positive note: Jackie and Jet have both expressed how easy it was working together. Jackie said: “I have not worked with someone whom I’m comfortable with, in terms of movements, rhythm and natural reactions, in the last 10 years. I have done many fight scenes with others but there were usually more than 10 takes, which is a waste of time as the person may forget his moves and unnecessary injuries. When I fought with Jet, our actions were quick. We also didn’t have to do the same stunt over 20 times.”
Meeting of legends, every fan of this two great actors was waiting for that moment where they both be in same movie..... but for me i still prefer Jackie chan
I am such a Jackie nerd that I watched maaaaaany episodes of the Jackie Chan Adventures.
Blocking outward is good for a strait counter attack to the body or throat, especially if you're against an untrained &/or slower opponent, but I was also taught stepping to the side (inward). Of course then again, It has been years that I had practiced, but use to be pretty fast and flexible, NOW I would just break a hip lol
Would love to see you react someday to the final fight scene of No Retreat No Surrender, such a great classic film.
Who'd know how incredible the fight would be if it was still during the 80's or 90's movie
They deflect like that because of distance of recovery. You want to force your opponent to take the longest time to perform an action while giving yourself the shortest time. You'll also notice that after they deflect outwards, their opponent's next attack coming from the other side they'll push across the centreline. When Jackie switches to tiger he demonstrates why. Because he pushes Jet Li's strike across the centreline, it opens up Jet Li's side. If Jackie was using a weapon, that would have been a killing blow. You'll also notice that it takes longer for Jet Li to recover. If they were using swords, the reasoning would make even more sense.
Also take note of the positions they are in as they attack and deflect. I think it is most evident in the tiger style portion. Jet Li does the cartwheel flip to break the positioning Jackie has forced him into so he can reset and the fight can continue.
Regarding to blocking from inside and worry about other hand coming to hit you. He's got two arms, you got two arms too. One arm defends while the other attacks. Then the other defends and the other now attacks. Ying-yang, always interchanging. Switching back and forth, in motion, like the waves of the ocean, sweeping back and forth, never ceasing. This is the start of water element study. then wind...so forth
I'd like to suggest the fights from the Korean movie 'Revenger'. Brutal and well filmed. Reminded me of 'The Night comes for Us'.
The sound effects for the tiger style that Jackie Chan's character was using still holds up very well and I get chills whenever I hear it.
The baas is insane!
Man this movie don't get enough credit....I was astounded that they leaned so heavily into Journey to the West (that was as much of a draw as Chan & Li being in a movie together; I own the book series & had been reading them well before I was introduced to OG Dragonball....which also had me giddy when I saw Son Goku, Nimbus, the staff, & characters like Oolong for the first time)
SN: I could be wrong, but I'm thinking they parried & stayed in each other's centerline moreso for cinematic effect; as the practical move would def be to get on the outside but would lead into a whole different sequence of fight choreography that might be more practical but not quite as appealing to the eye as the way they were trading blows throughout...
these are stunt doubles they’re getting old to do too many complicated stuff, movie sucks its modern karate kid but worse, only reason to watch is this maybe, heck even dragons forever jackie used a stunt double during a slowmo scene which is stupid you can tell its not him
So I'm a black belt and a huge Jackie Chan fan, and I love your reactions of his fights. As a fan, I of course have some favorite fights. So may I suggest:
The ladder fight from Jackie Chan's First Strike
Singing in the Rain fight from Shanghai Knights
Amsterdam fight from Who Am I
Love your videos!
I'm pretty sure it was Yuen Woo-ping that for the fights
You are correct.
This fight will never cease to catch my attention 🥲🥲🥲
Jet li. Was in the expendables movies
finally!! a movie with good sound effects, not like some of the old movies, sounds like grandma killing a rat with a stick every time they trow a punch, this is one of the movies i was about to tell you to react, hero of course with jet li and donnie yen some matches from ip man, but you have to check Iron Monkey, and try to find the US version, the old one comes with the horrible sound effects the us version sounds like this one, every hit has some weight and the right time, in the old movies they talk out of sync lolll
it's so weird how these two legends of hong kong and mainland chinese martial arts films never did an action scene together except in this american film
on the blocking thing. i was always taught you block to the outside because it leaves your opponent more open to a counter strike
this was my request heck ya
i wish that they had more fight scenes
Me too man me too
Good film and good fight, but we saw greater films and greater fights than this. Collaboration between them in an American film it's also a bit disappointing. If they were in a Chinese film I bet the fight and the story would be really interesting.
It’s probably already been said (in reference to the deflecting from inside to out); but yeah, it’s pretty simple and basic. You want to stay on the inside/centre line, as well as knowing that parrying is just moving the attack slightly off target. So the “ideal safe ground” is within those two conceptual approaches.
The teahouse fight from Forbidden Kingdom.. if you get a chance watch it with the director commentary...priceless
I loved this movie.
Here is a couple of movies you should try.
Volcano High (Korean film)
The Man from Hong Kong
They Call Me Bruce ( with Johnny Yune) Comedy
American Ninja
Blood sport with Bolo Yung and Van Damme
By deflecting the punches to the outside helps open up your opponent’s center line. This helps create opportunities where you can hit vital points and helps reduce the distance needed to strike back.
Deflecting angles are for the purpose of the camera angle to capture best scenes in order for the audience to view and enjoy. That's entertainment! Not forgetting, it's a movie! Shouldn't be compared to a real fight situation.
Learn to be humble. Practice makes perfect! Not "think-talk-self praise!"
The less this is done, the less "confusion in knowledge" within the Martial Arts community. 🙏