This is amazing. The G-Track has this funktion. There is a Line In klinke 6 cm. What mic could I use there for the direct input of the guitar? I have that idea to use and XLR to klinke adapter. Will that work?
Colin Deibert Great idea 💡Only thing that bothers me a bit in mid - side recording is that one side became little bit louder than other after flipping the phase ... looking forward to hear and see your new stuff ❤️
Looks like a nice way to get a wider sound. I don't have a figure 8 pattern mic, but may try this just using my cardioid pattern mic. The figure 8 pattern will pick up some signal from both sides, but since it is mono the resulting signal seems like it would be something like an average of the left/right sides. My thought is using a regular cardioid mic to get more of a overall room sound then doing the inversion could give a similar result. Does that make sense?
It does, however, once you duplicate the mono fig 8 track and flip the phase, it in reality does become a true stereo track with different information on both sides (with the caveat that it cancels itself out when summed to mono). If you try the same thing with a mono cardioid it would be a faux stereo effect, it might work but not necessarily in the same way!
Wow, this is great. Thanks for putting this together. I didn’t realize it but I think I was already kind of doing this with a large cardiod Audio-technical AT2020 (except it wasn’t turned to the side) in conjunction with a stereo pair of sE7s. If you’re recording your mid with a stereo pair, should it be recorded into a mono track since your doubling your side track?
Pretty much all should be mono! However, without a fig 8 mic that set up sounds closer to a main mic(s)/room mic set up. How do you have them arranged?
@@colindeibertmusic Well now that I've watched your tutorial, I realize the AT2020 isn't a figure 8 it's unidirectional so it probably won't work. But basically I have the stereo pair mids aimed at the 12th fret / bridge, and the AT2020 was in the middle and elevated on a boom.
@@JoshGUITARofolo Oh okay! While not mid-side I've done that before as well just to get experiment with different sounds. Something you could also try is keeping your stereo mics where they are and moving the 2020 to the body of the guitar (below the bridge for warmth) and then pan it center and fade in the volume ever so slightly for more low end.
Sadly not really! Theoretically you set them up similarly and even flip the phase on one of the side mics, but it still wouldn’t be a true figure-8 set up because they aren’t using the same diaphragm and are cardioid. So basically it would still sound different than a true fig 8 and if you summed it to mono it wouldn’t cancel out the sides and possibly introduce phase problems as well. I hope that helps!
If you look at the meters the mid signal is louder, the sides might seem louder since they’re doubled and I made them fairly prominent in the mix. Also sometimes levels are slightly different when I screen record tutorials to avoid clipping between the programs 😅
Great playing and explaining. You have a new sub! ps: Very nice technique but I think it would work better for live performances rather than recordings, because you can add various different effects to create this sound with a single mic anyway.
This is amazing. The G-Track has this funktion. There is a Line In klinke 6 cm. What mic could I use there for the direct input of the guitar? I have that idea to use and XLR to klinke adapter. Will that work?
going to try this , a little extra time on mic placement may have been good ie are they pointed at fret 12
I use this quite a lot. I love mid/side
Nice playing. I used Ms on an album, it was great but looking to try AB next
Enjoying vids… can’t decide on mics narrowing down to paired KM 184 or NT55?? 🤔
You did it!!!!! Thank you!!!
You’re welcome!! 😁
Great. That was really fascinating.
Amazing technique Yes I may want to add a different microphone Currently using SE 8 condenser pair. Great sharing Thank you
These mics for live is it recommended?
2:09 I hadn’t thought of that 🤔 great video! I’m still thinking how would you do panning with a midside techniqe
Great video Colin !!! Love to record in mid-side !!!❤
Thank you! I think I might be using the technique a little more from now on :)
Colin Deibert Great idea 💡Only thing that bothers me a bit in mid - side recording is that one side became little bit louder than other after flipping the phase ... looking forward to hear and see your new stuff ❤️
Looks like a nice way to get a wider sound. I don't have a figure 8 pattern mic, but may try this just using my cardioid pattern mic. The figure 8 pattern will pick up some signal from both sides, but since it is mono the resulting signal seems like it would be something like an average of the left/right sides. My thought is using a regular cardioid mic to get more of a overall room sound then doing the inversion could give a similar result. Does that make sense?
It does, however, once you duplicate the mono fig 8 track and flip the phase, it in reality does become a true stereo track with different information on both sides (with the caveat that it cancels itself out when summed to mono). If you try the same thing with a mono cardioid it would be a faux stereo effect, it might work but not necessarily in the same way!
@@colindeibertmusic Is the mid mic pointing directly at the soundhole?
Wow, this is great. Thanks for putting this together. I didn’t realize it but I think I was already kind of doing this with a large cardiod Audio-technical AT2020 (except it wasn’t turned to the side) in conjunction with a stereo pair of sE7s.
If you’re recording your mid with a stereo pair, should it be recorded into a mono track since your doubling your side track?
Pretty much all should be mono! However, without a fig 8 mic that set up sounds closer to a main mic(s)/room mic set up. How do you have them arranged?
@@colindeibertmusic Well now that I've watched your tutorial, I realize the AT2020 isn't a figure 8 it's unidirectional so it probably won't work. But basically I have the stereo pair mids aimed at the 12th fret / bridge, and the AT2020 was in the middle and elevated on a boom.
@@JoshGUITARofolo Oh okay! While not mid-side I've done that before as well just to get experiment with different sounds. Something you could also try is keeping your stereo mics where they are and moving the 2020 to the body of the guitar (below the bridge for warmth) and then pan it center and fade in the volume ever so slightly for more low end.
@@colindeibertmusic Oooh, that sounds interesting. I will give that a try the next time I lay something down. Thanks, man!
@@JoshGUITARofolo No problem!!
Do you think it can be done with two cardiod mics instead of one figure-8?
Sadly not really! Theoretically you set them up similarly and even flip the phase on one of the side mics, but it still wouldn’t be a true figure-8 set up because they aren’t using the same diaphragm and are cardioid. So basically it would still sound different than a true fig 8 and if you summed it to mono it wouldn’t cancel out the sides and possibly introduce phase problems as well. I hope that helps!
@@colindeibertmusic i get it. Thanks!
Strange thing is that Your side mic seems to have stronger signal than a mid mic. I usualy get louder signal from a mid mic.
If you look at the meters the mid signal is louder, the sides might seem louder since they’re doubled and I made them fairly prominent in the mix. Also sometimes levels are slightly different when I screen record tutorials to avoid clipping between the programs 😅
Great playing and explaining. You have a new sub!
ps: Very nice technique but I think it would work better for live performances rather than recordings, because you can add various different effects to create this sound with a single mic anyway.