We did that flight to Saba from St Maarten 15 years ago. The first attempt had to be cancelled due to strong cross winds. At that time the pilots were allowed to do only one landing attempt. So, back to St Maarten, after 2h a second attempt which succeeded. Amazing short runway.
Me imagino que la primera vez debe ser muy estresante.. Igual los pilotos que llegan a la pista mas corta del mundo deben tener gran experiencia anterior y varias miles de horas de vuelo 👏👏👏👏👏
@@106199615072003 The stall warning sounds if the aircraft is about to stall, so the pilots don't let the aircraft drop out of the sky - they can do something about it if they need to. In this case, they were landing,so didn't need to do anything. The fact that the warning sounded was an indication that they were flying at close to minimum airspeed, which is exactly what they need to do for a short-field landing - so they don't risk running off the end of the runway. It shows they knew their airspeed, and had it under control right down to touch-down; good piloting. If the conditions are less than perfect (cross-winds or gusts for example) they wouldn't want to fly that close to the limit, they would have a little higher airspeed for a safety margin: that's probably why you never heard it (those near ideal flying conditions probably don't occur there very often). I hope that answers your questions :)
@@106199615072003 Ha ha :) Just remember - all pilots know what they are doing (more than most in the back), and do not want to die. They wouldn't do it if they thought there was any (significant) risk; thats what training teaches - being prepared to go around if it gets unstable, divert elsewhere if its not looking like it will be better next time..
I just discovered Saba Island on google Earth and wow what a beautiful place, love to visit one day. Those pilots have one of the best jobs in the world.
Awesome video! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
years ago a group of buddies and i visited Saba on a scuba trip. we constantly tell stories of this landing. I should mention that unlike the video here, we flew over on a totally old, rickety plane. the cockpit was separated from the cabin by a shower curtain. the plane came to a full stop SUPER close to the cliff drop off at the end of the runway.
The planes are usually twin otters which are good for landing on short runways. The twin otters land on Saba using only half the runway there. Also, the pilots take care not to permit too much luggage. If you are on St. Maarten and want to take the 15 minute fun plane hop to Saba to enjoy the unforgettable beauty up on the mountain there and the friendly people (and tasty food!) (I hear the diving is amazing but have not yet tried it myself) but have a lot of luggage you can stay overnight on St. Maarten, enjoy the sandy beach there, and then take a ferry boat to Saba from there. The hike up to the top of Saba is not difficult at all, and toward the top is an enchanting rainforest that is the experience of a lifetime.
Look at the anemometer during the approach, it is only 2-3 knots from stall speed with flaps fully extended. It is the only way to land considering the short length of the runway.
Is the propeller in the upper right above the pilots head all it takes to move this aircraft? Why isnt the one on the left moving? Should the plane not tilt to the left with only the right propeller working?
Fantastic perspective! May I feature this landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you :)
that’s true, only information. In general, you don’t need ATC. The purpose of ATC is flow, information and separation. When there is no ATC, Just tell the other traffic where you are and general rules applies. When there is a lot of traffic, or larger A/C. ATC enhances safety and flow. When pilots and controllers work together, it goes smooth!
@General Melchett .....Thankyou Sir.... I always wondered that ! Beautiful little island Saba ! The Dutch did miracles building the road and Runway there ! Thx
Full fine ..meaning the blade angle of the propellers have move from increased blade angle to decrease ..this config increase the thrust and is ideal during take off and ascending
I assume the noise on touchdown is the stall horn? Is the stall necessary because the runway is so short? I assume the pilots would not stall when landing on a longer runway?
The stall horn begins to sound several knots before the stall occurs. This is actually a good thing to hear when touching down because it means that you've used almost all available lift to keep the aircraft above the runway. Many people describe the best landing as one where the plane stalls the moment the wheels touch the runway.
True, it means you have the lowest possible airspeed. However, on a twin engine airplane the VMCA is really important. On the 330, on some take-offs the rotation speed is almost equal to VMCG/A. On of the pilots told me on the twin otter they fly VMCA on this approach. So, that’s something to consider.
are those fans to keep the pilots cool or do they serve some other purpose ? either way,it could lead to a dangerous mishap like getting the hands injured why didn't they have a wire mesh cover ?
@@tzadiko it's the propeller pitch, it's used to change the pictch of the blade at cruising speed (at higher speed it's more efficient to have a higher pitch blade, it also reduces rpms, but at lower speed you need go lower it as much as possibile because otherwise you have no power).
as if landing there was not tricky enough, they did so with the sun in their eyes. Imagine yourself on the highway, behind the wheel of your car, at the end of the afternoon, when the sun is slowly setting on the horizon. For me, it´s already challenging just to drive. Now, imagine the same light conditions, behind the wheel of a giant flying machine of several tons, side winds maybe, with the responsibility of the lives of dozen of passengers at stake, a super short runway, with the sea awaiting you in case you miss, falling off a cliff, with the world watching you. I guess that´s why I am not a pilot I guess. I don´t think I have what it would take. I don´t think I would even want to be on the flight, let alone be the pilot.
Just close than dangerous runway !...an accident waiting to happen. I can not imagine an engine flame out during take off, full of passengers, fuel and luggage. Shezzuskrist !!!
Two things number one never understood why they built the plane with throttles above the head of the pilot , secondly you dam sure wont land long on that runway .
Am interesting plane design with the prop in the cockpit.
imagine accidentally getting your hand caught in that
Engine 1 2 and 4 is ok, engine 3 is dead
@@dingle849 yeah that'd be fucked up
@@dingle849 Haha I can just see that happening: "OK, flaps to *BZRZRTTTTTTT* OWWWWW dammit!" 🤣
For better stol capability
Extremely professional landing on a very special airport
We did that flight to Saba from St Maarten 15 years ago. The first attempt had to be cancelled due to strong cross winds. At that time the pilots were allowed to do only one landing attempt. So, back to St Maarten, after 2h a second attempt which succeeded. Amazing short runway.
Me imagino que la primera vez debe ser muy estresante..
Igual los pilotos que llegan a la pista mas corta del mundo deben tener gran experiencia anterior y varias miles de horas de vuelo
👏👏👏👏👏
i just love how you touchdown and you're already taxiing lol.
Lmao same
Facts: The twin otter is a fast walker but when it lands it is a slow walker.
I have parked my Honda Accord with more effort than these incredibly chill pilots! Damn!!!
hahaha, do you have a video of that?
Pretty cool! The first airliner I used to fly was the AVRO-Jet with a great short field LDG/TO performance, but THIS one is amazing! 😳👍
Stunning ! Please do more , I just can not get enough of this. ! I love to Fly , I love to Skydive ! 🤗😍♥️
Thanks, me to :P
Lovely conditions, brilliant aircraft, nice flying; good little stall warn at 2:44-2:46 - spot on!
Yeah, thanks for confirming. I was almost sure but now I am completely.
Stall warn for what? Late landing?? I used to fly Winair all the time but I never once heard it
@@106199615072003 The stall warning sounds if the aircraft is about to stall, so the pilots don't let the aircraft drop out of the sky - they can do something about it if they need to. In this case, they were landing,so didn't need to do anything. The fact that the warning sounded was an indication that they were flying at close to minimum airspeed, which is exactly what they need to do for a short-field landing - so they don't risk running off the end of the runway. It shows they knew their airspeed, and had it under control right down to touch-down; good piloting. If the conditions are less than perfect (cross-winds or gusts for example) they wouldn't want to fly that close to the limit, they would have a little higher airspeed for a safety margin: that's probably why you never heard it (those near ideal flying conditions probably don't occur there very often). I hope that answers your questions :)
@@andyowens5494 Thank you 🙏🏽 But yeah, landing on Saba had me always praying 🤣 Taking off too
@@106199615072003 Ha ha :) Just remember - all pilots know what they are doing (more than most in the back), and do not want to die. They wouldn't do it if they thought there was any (significant) risk; thats what training teaches - being prepared to go around if it gets unstable, divert elsewhere if its not looking like it will be better next time..
Those Pilots made it look like just another ordinary landing and the approach view of the island is lovely, being to Saba two times, beautiful island.
I flew 2 Twin Otter flights
in the Seychelles SEZ - PRI - SEZ......only 15 minutes each way but I loved every second of it!!!
Amazing performance of the airplane STOL. Almost in Stall touch down. Congratulation Excelent extreme landing
Wow, that's great short field performance. Impressive to see it from the cockpit!
I just discovered Saba Island on google Earth and wow what a beautiful place, love to visit one day. Those pilots have one of the best jobs in the world.
I have been on this plane so many times. wow so nostalgic, amazing memories, best 2 years of life spent on Saba Island.
Really love the airport! Wish I could get the Tiwn Otter in MFS2020 and land here!
I landed a Savage Cub at Saba in FS2020 and used a lot less runway than necessary. More of a mouse than a man I guess.
@@MrSupercar55 I've somehow managed to land a Cessna 152 there... thats really the only plane that I can get to land there without crashing
Pilots were so relax but sure . .
Cool, Captain.
Awesome video! Would you be okay with me featuring this in my series Weekly Dose of Aviation? Of course you will be credited both in the video and in the description. Thanks!
Can i be in vid 😢
Lived there for a couple of years. Miss Saba tremendously.
years ago a group of buddies and i visited Saba on a scuba trip. we constantly tell stories of this landing. I should mention that unlike the video here, we flew over on a totally old, rickety plane. the cockpit was separated from the cabin by a shower curtain. the plane came to a full stop SUPER close to the cliff drop off at the end of the runway.
Leuk zeg, ik was er 4 dagen later haha
Mooi om weer eens te beleven.
Hi Sir. What button did you press to brake that fast upon landing?
Nothing like the Caribbean Islands and sea!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
Very nice. Thanks for uploading. Have you ever flown into Montserrat TRPG back when Winair operated flights into there?
You made weekly dose of aviation 😎
The planes are usually twin otters which are good for landing on short runways. The twin otters land on Saba using only half the runway there. Also, the pilots take care not to permit too much luggage. If you are on St. Maarten and want to take the 15 minute fun plane hop to Saba to enjoy the unforgettable beauty up on the mountain there and the friendly people (and tasty food!) (I hear the diving is amazing but have not yet tried it myself) but have a lot of luggage you can stay overnight on St. Maarten, enjoy the sandy beach there, and then take a ferry boat to Saba from there. The hike up to the top of Saba is not difficult at all, and toward the top is an enchanting rainforest that is the experience of a lifetime.
Look at the anemometer during the approach, it is only 2-3 knots from stall speed with flaps fully extended.
It is the only way to land considering the short length of the runway.
Just think, videos like this are equally matched in Fsim 2020 now, not like the cartoon visuals of old.
Haha true! But if your on board or even flying... you will notice the difference.
@@JorenAvi Oh for sure it's not perfect but it's so close to it now. Some of the clouds and weather effects are life like now.
ah, so these are the top players on the leaderboard
Lmfao
Tremendos Pilotos! Mis Respetos!
Is the propeller in the upper right above the pilots head all it takes to move this aircraft? Why isnt the one on the left moving? Should the plane not tilt to the left with only the right propeller working?
Fantastic perspective! May I feature this landing in one of my next episodes? Of course with a link back to your original video. All the best to you :)
First time I saw that runway I thought, you've got to be kidding. But it serves. Nice vid, thanks!
Gr8 landing
Great appr & landing at one of the great hard landings!
When they circle to land. And fly near mountain. .tHe monitor says...'EMINATE DANGER..' NO LIE. BEEN THERE...ITS KOOL..👍
Love to see that cockpit RAT 😀
niceee video man...keep them coming :D
Wilco!
is it true that there's no ATC in there ?
so, how do you even do your landing approach ?
that’s true, only information. In general, you don’t need ATC. The purpose of ATC is flow, information and separation. When there is no ATC, Just tell the other traffic where you are and general rules applies. When there is a lot of traffic, or larger A/C. ATC enhances safety and flow. When pilots and controllers work together, it goes smooth!
Just wow
Like a BOSS !!!
yes like a boss
What are those handles the pilot keeps grabbing on the ceiling ?
@General Melchett .....Thankyou Sir.... I always wondered that ! Beautiful little island Saba ! The Dutch did miracles building the road and Runway there ! Thx
What exactly is "full fine"? Sorry, I love aircraft but don't know all the terminology...tia.
Full fine ..meaning the blade angle of the propellers have move from increased blade angle to decrease ..this config increase the thrust and is ideal during take off and ascending
Twotter--best ever!
What was your airspeed just prior to touchdown?
60 knots. Check the speed gauge. From what i can see that's stall speed because when it dropped below that the stall warning sounded. That's 111 km/h.
Any faster probably would run out of runway.
This is the shortest landing i ever since!!!
1 of thr shortest runways and even use 9nly half of it. This plane is also a real good stop and go plane excellent for this kind of runways.
How many passengers remember to put their DEPENDS undergarments on before landing?
I get anxiety looking at the throttle location. It's like patting your head and rubbing your stomach. Strange setup.
Imagine you’re the pilot and you’re landing on the shortest runway in the world
Excellent!
I assume the noise on touchdown is the stall horn? Is the stall necessary because the runway is so short? I assume the pilots would not stall when landing on a longer runway?
The stall horn begins to sound several knots before the stall occurs. This is actually a good thing to hear when touching down because it means that you've used almost all available lift to keep the aircraft above the runway. Many people describe the best landing as one where the plane stalls the moment the wheels touch the runway.
True, it means you have the lowest possible airspeed. However, on a twin engine airplane the VMCA is really important. On the 330, on some take-offs the rotation speed is almost equal to VMCG/A. On of the pilots told me on the twin otter they fly VMCA on this approach. So, that’s something to consider.
@@JorenAvi Oh good to know!
are those fans to keep the pilots cool or do they serve some other purpose ?
either way,it could lead to a dangerous mishap like getting the hands injured
why didn't they have a wire mesh cover ?
it has rubber blades
@@duckwalkerindian4689 yeah right....and i guess the plane has rubber propellers too......
would you care to clarify pilot joren?
Don't worry, there are 2 safety officers in the jump seats in high vis watching everything with a clipboard.
@@verifiedtoxicangel2411 They do indeed have rubber blades just like the ones in soviet aircraft
Skill! Holy Crap.
Yeah!
"Balls of STEEL...."....
Brilliant !!
Saba Island, Caribbean Netherlands
What is there to do on the island? Why fly there?
nice landing boss
nice Landing boss
Took me several tries on MS Flt Simulator to land there.
Epic view.
Skill level = Off the charts.
Aircraft type please ? Thanks !!!!!
DHC6 Twin Otter
@@CaptainFoxtrotBR Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!
Spectacular!
What is that handle he's holding on the ceiling?
Thats the throttle
@@MrZhypo awesome. How is the throttle used for landing?
@@MrZhypo and what's the handle to its right that the copilot pulled?
@@tzadiko to the right is the Prop-Pitch im pretty sure he used the throttle to Prop-Reverse to slow him down more
@@tzadiko it's the propeller pitch, it's used to change the pictch of the blade at cruising speed (at higher speed it's more efficient to have a higher pitch blade, it also reduces rpms, but at lower speed you need go lower it as much as possibile because otherwise you have no power).
Tncs?
nice landing
Impressive! It is probably easier to land on a aircraft carrier...
A moving ship?
That takes tons of skill, I wonder if they had accidents trying to land or deaths in the past.
Usually propellers are on the outside.
I was checking the comments for a message like yours. I was wondering if anyone else was thinking like me. ✌️🙂
Holy Moly 😮
Awesome!
I think I'll take the ferry.
Fear and loathing on shortfinal of Saba))
My cousin is flying that plane!
beautiful landing.
as if landing there was not tricky enough, they did so with the sun in their eyes. Imagine yourself on the highway, behind the wheel of your car, at the end of the afternoon, when the sun is slowly setting on the horizon. For me, it´s already challenging just to drive. Now, imagine the same light conditions, behind the wheel of a giant flying machine of several tons, side winds maybe, with the responsibility of the lives of dozen of passengers at stake, a super short runway, with the sea awaiting you in case you miss, falling off a cliff, with the world watching you. I guess that´s why I am not a pilot I guess. I don´t think I have what it would take. I don´t think I would even want to be on the flight, let alone be the pilot.
Es como aterrizar en un portaaviones, pero sin cable que te frene.
All I'm gonna say is you'd need damn good reverse thrusters for that shit.
im also pilot, this is not bad.
Nice
Just close than dangerous runway !...an accident waiting to happen. I can not imagine an engine flame out during take off, full of passengers, fuel and luggage. Shezzuskrist !!!
Thankfully you have no say over anything in life other than whether or not to brush your teeth . . .
very beeitifl hellluuu
Is this the one from Microsoft Flight simulator 2020?
It's actually the one from the real world
You realize MS simulator is just a 1:1 scale of Earth? It’s all real places, planes and weather.
yeah its one of the most detailed airports in the sim
👌👌
Two things number one never understood why they built the plane with throttles above the head of the pilot , secondly you dam sure wont land long on that runway .
😅Watching a yt video and my stomach curl itself
He needs only 200m 😵😅
It stalled just for a few
tu eres loco ramon........
This is dangerous at nights
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This strip has only 400m...the pilots used only 200m....Lol😂
It's not the shortest, there's many shorter ones in PNG, such as Fane which is just over 300 metres.
That’s short ;)
Hi
Hairraising.......
Touchxiing
Where’s the airport?
Where’s the airport?
Ah, there it is……
STOL ;D
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