@@Dan-gj1hzthose cars will never be built or sold in any great numbers. The Zora may be limited to just a handful. The people that could afford those exotics aren't in the Camaro/Mustang demographic anyway.
@@msh6865 Camaro ZL1 didn’t exactly sell real well anyway. Sub 3000 units in 2022. Little over 2000 units in 2023. C8 z06 did 6,403 units in 2023 alone. 2024 estimated to be at or above those numbers due to dealers offering them at or below MSRP. Dealers are now offering 5-10k off MSRP off the C8z.
Aside from the bozo's opinions above. A Pontiac needs to be legit, not a Chevy in drag (Like 82' and above Trans Ams for instance) I'm for it. Just don't put a Corvette engine in the thing.
@@Dorfwols Owned my '67 SS350 4 speed 4.11 posi rear 49 years! Rebuilt 1 time, went through the Muncie once and changed the single traction 3.31s for the 4.11 posi! The car is solid still, even has original ball joints! replace radiator last year, since original finally gave up the ghost! I love the new Camaros, but at 68 years old, retired, I'll never own 1! But the '67 is still the 1!
I'm pissed off because GM never allows one car to achieve greatness unless it's the Corvette. If they do bring it back, hopefully there won't be a electric version
GM always screwed the Camaro over for the Corvette they would not mass-produce any Camaro with a 427 motor they said it would take away from the Corvette so they never made a 3-2 barrel carburetor l88 for a Camaro because it would upset the Corvette they had the copo 427 Camaros but what they made like 60 of them and that was only for professional racers who were connected with GM leadership
They should bring it back after all of the super car competitors offer front engine vehicles Chevy needs a front engine sports car for those who can’t or doesn’t want mid engine
It felt very much the same here in Australia when Holden was still going and the somewhat limiting of HSV and what they could do in terms of tuning and modding, that would cause a knock on effect limiting the whole range from base to top spec. We wouldn't want a four-door sedan getting close to the corvette now, would we.
I cannot fathom how you people manage to think trump is going to do anything for V8s. Tesla is the largest EV company on the planet, they produce the world’s best selling car, they dominate the market. And you think Elon musk is jumping up and down on stage and offering people money to vote trump, because trump is gonna push back against EVs?????
@@Smasher-Devourer the ceo of the most successful EV company wouldn’t have been paying people to vote trump if trump was going to apply any amount of push back to evs
@@Akosa117 Musk has been quite vocal that he does not really agree with the push for everything to go electric. I think he might prefer it to remain a niche market which he dominates.
I tried to order the ZL1-1LE for 2 yrs… dealers couldn’t get allocations. I tried the last two years. Unfortunately I never got one.. excellent upload brother👊
I also tried the last 2 years. In 2024 a dealer swore they would get an allocation. They used it to order one for their own stock and had the nerve to call me to see if I wanted that one knowing it was nothing what I ordered.
i got 3 in over a year but my family's dealership has no performance competition for 100 miles they all sell trucks. we have a dodge dealership we bought 30 miles from the chevy dealership and a toyota lexus dealership next door to the chevy dealership. we got a special order copo ZL 1 all titanium bottom end lambo doors 770hp i really wanted to keep for myself
The Alpha platform on the Gen 6 Camaro its chassis/suspension was way ahead of its competition and previous generations. It's underpinnings when viewed from a lift are more luxury sports car/grand tourer than muscle/pony car. In 1LE trim with magnetic ride dampers that's even more amplified.
The Camaro definitely needs to come back.Excellent muscle car definitely needs to come back. Not to mention it's the best handling muscle car, and it has the best manual transmission.
Thanks a lot! 😢 Now I'm counting my pennies to get a ZL-1. 😅 I had an SS and miss it. I agree with you, now is the perfect time for GM to get back in the game of affordable performance.
I'm a mustang guy all day long but bring back camaro its an iconic car that deserves alot more love and respect than gm has shown it in the last few years I hate that mustang is the only pony car left competition is a good thing it brings the best out of all brands and it gives consumers more variety
Another Mustang guy here. I agree that there needs to be a competitor. Having competition forces innovation. The only non-Mustang I have ever really considered buying is a Trans Am, but that is because I was born in 1970. When I was young, the TA was the baddest boy on the block until those 85 fox bodies showed up. After a 1969-1970 fastback, there is not better looking car than a 70's Trans Am.
Absolutely loved my 89 5.7 IROC! Also owned 3 other third gen T/A’s There is a company (I believe in Florida) that is still creating 4th gen style F-Bodies as well as other custom offerings. So cool!
Used to have an 87 iroc... I loved that car so much but had to sell it back in 2009. I finally got myself back in a camaro this year buying a 22 LT1. Just reminded me how much I missed driving the old iroc.
I'm 58 and about a year ago i bought a 2014 SS Camero Ls3 6 speed and it's the most fun car i've ever owned. Engine isn't anywhere near stock now but even when it was with the six speed it was still a blast to drive around in. I love the way the car rides and handles. If i had any complaint it would be like many that have complained about the electric power steering providing almost no real feedback but when you get used to feeling what the car is doing in your behind instead of in your hands it's easy to push it hard without getting yourself out of shape. I can't imagine ever even thinking of selling it.
Great video, Bud! That ZL1 1LE is sexy!! You're right! Ford/ Chevy have at least 4 more years to make some v8s! I gave up on Stellantis. Apparently Stellantis knows what the American people want? Nope! Not even a frick'n clue! Unless Stellantis gives Dodge/Chrysler back to America, I'm afraid those brands are doomed.
The problem with the Camaro long predates anything with the current administration. The biggest issue is that it was a tank...not enough outward visibility. It wasn't a huge issue for me but EVERY SINGLE PERSON I talked to that considered a Camaro (but bought something else instead) said that the outward visibility was shockingly bad and immediately made them discount the car. The problem was that Al Oppenheiser kept listening to boomers, a literally dying segment, instead of courting new customers. Because apart from visibility and styling (the 19+ was an awful downgrade) the Camaro generally performed as well or better than similar trim Mustangs and Challengers. Motor Trend said repeatedly that it was difficult for them to get a Hellcat to beat a ZL1 on the drag strip, even the Redeye.
My problem with the newer Camaro was headroom and visibility. I bought a Mustang GT instead. The Challenger was really good too. It was a large and comfortable car.
The modern Camaro was generally regarded as having the best chassis of the 3. 1le handling is super car like. But sitting in one was very cave like. Can’t see shit 😂
If you want a practical car, you buy an estate ( sorry... "station wagon" 😊 ) As a drivers' car the Camaro was the best bang per buck on the planet in recent history, and the visibility is a non-issue ( you have blind spot warning lights so highway is really no problem )... but it's definitely the least practical of the three main American muscle cars.
I'm 65 yrs old....owned 3 camaros and 1 trans am....Wanted to get a camaro for a fun car when I retire and now I'm out of luck...hopefully they will bring them back or its a used one for me....Great video....
I bought a new gen 6, 2017 ZL1 with the 10-speed automatic, loaded out. Enjoyed it for a year, then sold it. The car was an absolute BEAST. Great interior too!
@@barrydraper So you sold the ZL1 just to "get your money back" 🤡🤡🤡... I bet now you drive a Chevy VOLT which you also must've got with your Employee Discount too. If you're soo concerned about money then you should put it into S&P500 index.
Great video, you're absolutely correct about the 6th gen,I have the 2017 Fifty anniversary special edition SS,six speed manual,I put a Whipple and headers on it and now have more power than the LT4, fantastic car, handles like a dream, fast when you want it or completely docile when you just want to cruise,I couldn't be happier with it!!!
Let’s be honest here, no car manufacturer is going to make a car that isn’t selling. Was it a good product? No, it was a fantastic product. Memories of what happened to the 4th gen. A great product that just got too expensive for the market.
Right now we have every reason to be hopeful about the Camaro coming back. The problem with GM is their lukewarm attitude towards promotion of their affordable sports car offerings. Fourth generation F-bodies, Pontiac GTO LS1 and LS2 versions, Pontiac G8, Chevy SS among others all fantastic cars that the corporate office won’t push. I’m a lifelong GM guy but it’s heartbreaking to watch the cycle repeat itself across numerous models 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
Sadly, Holden was shut down by GM since they didn't feel like doing any RHD markets anymore. And they made and designed all of those cars. So the Commodore is no longer being worked on, so no more continuation of the the VF commodore/ Chevy SS and no more Monaro/ GTO sine the GTO was the two door variant of the four door. I feel if they where to continue with the four door performance cars they would have to bring back Holden, which is unlikely but annoying since seeing the prices a Chevy SS will sell for over in the US there is clearly demand.
@@Gengargamer2_ Hey dude, thanks for the reply, not only did Holden shut down but the Auto Industry left Australia all together because of the government regulations. So no cars are built down under anymore just a ton of aftermarket companies like Harrop ( kinda like the Australian version of Roush or Whipple) I owned a 2005 LS2 GTO midnight metallic. Awesome car till the very end when a city worker totaled it hitting me while I was stopped in traffic. I’ve got a sixth generation Camaro SS now and it’s my baby. Probably going with a vette for my next car but not sure which one 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
@Michael-pi8ps Not true at all about the Mustang always outselling the Camaro. Most recently the fifth generation Camaro outsold the Mustang largely due to the popularity of the Transformers films. Other generations have like the second and third generation were also very close in sales if not beating the Mustang in certain model years. The Mustang has a legendary following with entire family lines sharing the passion but the GM offerings are not far behind. The Camaro lost sales mainly to MOPAR because for the money Challengers/Chargers made more sense for a young family seating 5 people with a larger storage area. The demand is there for a new Camaro it just needs GM to commit to marketing it properly. Even if you’re a Mustang guy you SHOULD want the Camaro back because that makes the muscle/sports car market larger and more profitable for all of us. Bigger market means better Whipple kits, Flowmaster exhausts and more choices overall. See you at cars and coffee 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
@@JasonWagner-e5w Not at all. People are done being dictated to. There is no law banning high performance gas powered vehicles. Furthermore, no one except the diehard climate activists WANT a ICE ban. I’m in California and even here the majority of people want fun cars. Unless people lose their nerve and let what has been happening continue into the future we’ll see the products overall (not just cars) come back to the levels people want them to. Just have to wait and see 💪🏿🥷🏾🇺🇸👍🏿
The reason sales went down was the cost was so high. I had Gen 1,2 and 3 Camaro's in my teens and 20's. They're not affordable for young people anymore. I wished they would bring the Z28 back I would buy one!
My guess is if they loosen the CAFE standards, the Camaro could very well reappear..:) As that electric Dodge Charger with the digital sound and vibrating seat goes to the dustbin of ridiculous ideas!
I don’t know why GM, Ford and Dodge don’t make a very base version of the car. Say like a base stereo, base interior, no soft touch just all hard plastic but nice looking plastic. They don’t even have to have carpet in the car put that rubber mat material. But definitely include all the safety technology and that’s it sell it for $30 ,000 or around 30 something. Make it so a middle class person that works in a factory can buy it and enjoy a cool muscle car. Because at 40 grand that’s just too much for a lot of people.
Awesome vid,yes completely agree GM needs to capitalize on this opportunity. Proud 6th gen owner here,absolutely love it and if you put a 305/45/17 out back it rides like a Cadillac 😉 even in Track mode
I can only think of one movie the 6th gen is kind of featured, and that was in Free Guy with Ryan Reynolds as he drove one in the 3rd act of the movie! I'd love to see them do a 7th gen with a more powerful v8 than the 6th gen rather than bring the name back as an EV!!
The day I bought my RT+ Challenger I test drove a Camero. I loved it. The Camero was low and had power but a Challenger is more comfortable. I felt crunched up in the Camero. Good video.
As a Gen 5 owner, the trunk's not so bad. My wife and I just took ours on vacation for just over a week, about 300 miles away, and had no problems with space. What does suck is their placement of the cup holders in the way of the shifter on the manual trans cars. They were moved a bit on the Gen 6 cars, but still in the way. A travel mug of coffee for the long drive is a good thing; but there's nowhere else to put it!
Had 3 Camaros including a new '69 that I loved. since GM has received so many complaints about the visibility they 15 years to improve it and did nothing. If they had offered a rear camera the visibility would be greatly improved.
I totally agree that Pontiac should come roaring back with the GTO! As a teen I had the T-37 with the 350ci and it was a blast to drive! As an adult I've had and SRT-8 and a highly modified R/T 5.7 which I also loved to drive. As GTO with a 500 HP NA engine would be a killer on the street.
I owned a 71 and a 75, loved my Camaros, but then i drove a vette, had a 95 c4 and have a 2010 grand sport. You can’t beat Chevy performance. My fave day driving my 75 was sitting at a light and having a 6 year old kid in the car next to me yelling at his dad, he’s driving bumblebee. It was a sad day my 75 and 95 went away, but my c6 is better than both. However my 71 was faster in a straight line than any of them.
Camaro was my favorite car since I was a kid. I owed 3 over the years. 1985 Z28 1994 V6 2001 Z28 Also had a 1999 Trans Am. Wish that would come back. Still Own a 2004 GTO. Just sold my 2012 Challenger SRT and currently daily drive a 2023 Charger Hellcat
I had a 1984 z28. it was the biggest piece of junk I have ever bought. It was at the dealership for repairs more than I had it and it was a new car. I wrote a letter to GM and they basically said go screw yourself. So I traded it and never looked back and since then I have never bought a GM product and never will.
I have a 2021. Weekend driver. Absolutely gutted they didnt do a Gen 7. Unreal that 2016 engineering drives so good. The LT1 lump is timeless, 455 hp/455 tq. Hopefully with new leadership in DC, we see GM offer the normal unassuming American like me and lot of us a simple but proper muscle car.
@@ViTrucker340 The ZL1 1LE has come standard with unique five spoke wheels since it debuted that are smaller than the normal ZL1 wheels (pictured on this car). 2ss 1LE comes with completely different 5 spoke wheels...
My dream car was a 68 RS/SS Camaro, and I almost bought an 87 IROC-Z (my Brother-in-law had a 86) but bought a 86 Mustang GT back when you were a kid LOL. In stead of getting a classic (old) car and everything that goes along with the old car like rust, breaking down, bad handling etc., I recently got a 23 M6 Challenger as it was the Last real throwback muscle car available. It really takes me back to driving a large body muscle car like some of the cars I got to drive that my parents had. 69 Tempest w/ 350 , 72 Catalina w/ 400. My Dad was not going to let me have what I really wanted for my first car, so I got to buy a 78 Sunbird 4 banger, but it was a 4 speed and fun. There was an Olds 442 1969 for the same 2k I spent on the Sunbird in the neighborhood, but he said a 16 year old had no business owning one of them. After what I put that Sunbird through, I would have to say he was right and I may not have survived 😉😉😁😁
Thanks for the video, Racerx. camaro is a beautiful car from 67 to now! I hope they will bring it back! I'm already sad with what dodge is doing, have ford's just making a v8 mustang would be sad, I personally would get a camero like the one you were driving gen 6 in standard! We need other choices!
I have a C7 Corvette now, but if they bright Pontiac back and made a Trans Am with a 500 + hp engine and a 6 spd... I would be ordering one in a heartbeat.
Just like the rest of what we see in America, I think there are things going on behind the scenes that will come out when the time is right. The next gen Camaro and the Challenger/Cuda are both being secretly developed IMO.
I bought a new 2024 2SS Camaro this spring in April when I heard they were not building any more. I absolutely love the car... a Pontiac option would be kinda cool.
Love my 3rd gen. I was definitely going to get a 6th gen SS but my Challenger fell into my lap so I took it. All 3 of the late model muscle cars were all amazing cars
Nice shirt Go Bucks! Being a Pontiac guy, GM has always had it's chosen few you can look into the history between Pontiac and GM. Chevrolet is the top brand for sports cars the Corvette being king. Anything that threatens the hierarchy is eliminated you can't have a Camaro pushing Vette numbers thus good bye Camaro. My dream was to own all the big three supercharged coupes I have a Challenger one down two to go.
The ZL1 1LE is a dominant track monster, and the last of its kind really! Love my 5th gen and the Camaro as a whole; I seriously hope we get a proper 7th gen one day!
I have owned two Camaros, a 1967 and a 1971. The 1971 was the first new car I ever owned. It featured a 350 and a 4-speed for just over $3,500 sticker price. My current Chevy is a 2017 Impala with a V-6. GM does not offer this car anymore either, as the last year it was manufactured was 2020.
Gen 5 with the LS3 does not have AFM but you need to get a manual for that. The automatics come with the weaker L99 engine, which DOES have AFM. Gen 6 the manual also does not have AFM, but it DOES use the same AFM style lifters and oil management system as the automatic cars that do have AFM, despite not having the electronics to actually engage the AFM. If it were me, and longevity or modification were the priority, I’d probably get a gen 5 manual.
Purchased my 2018 ZL1 1LE oem add on, for 60K in 2019 it had 2K miles, now 32,000K. The generation 5 Z28 was 80K new, then they dropped the price, but it was bare bones, this car was a still for the $. Keeping mine for a classic one day with my chevelle.
I have a ZL1 that has a Lingenfelter polish and port with a Magnuson upgrade. Despite 900hp, it is completely drivable and the chassis is equal to anything I’ve driven from BMW. Chevrolet criminally under marketed the last Camaro….A really great car.
I own a Krypton Green Camaro and I absolutely love it standard at that. The visibility does not bother me one bit. And the trunk size is actually pretty decent it's the opening that's really small. I got rear-ended not too long ago and I have to fix some of the back in the trunk . Still makes me sad I absolutely love my Camaro. There is not another vehicle like I'm telling you. I do want to get a c8 down the road and possibly painted Krypton green. I wouldn't mind if they brought it back
First car was a Gen 2 Camaro 500 hp hot rod in 1997. Iv owned Camaros forever now Gen 3 5 and my 6. Great cars the Gen 6 blows every generation away no contest. One of the greatest handling platforms ever made specially for the money hard to believe didn’t sell more idk.
I wanted to get the 2SS 1LE but it’s 2 narrow on the inside for me. I am 6’3 and felt squeezed in it. So I ended up going with a 6 spd Scat Challenger. They most definitely need to make the trunk space bigger also.
When I had my 16 2SS, I got used to the blind spot. At the time I got it when the 17’s were out and got it 10k under sticker for 39k. I remember silverados being 17k off sticker at the time as I also considered a truck. I had to trade the car a year later when I moved to Michigan and couldn’t use it as a daily. If I try to buy a similar spec 16-18 with low miles, it would still cost what the dealer gave me for it in 2017. I will say that mine had transmission issues out the wazoo and GM was messing around with fixing it. Had it in the shop 3 times for it. I still miss it though.
I was wondering why not do some updates on the Camaro. Fix the glaring bad points, like the trunk and the back window(really love the Gen 4 set up). Then, give it a hybrid with that great turbo 4 and/or v6. Keep a v8 for those who want it As well an EV for those who want it. Would be a Stang killer again!!
And the fact that Gm moved the great Camaro engineers over to the woke EV models. Hey GM, how is that working out for ya? I am on my 5th Camaro and wished that GM would have removed their head from their ass and kept this market competitive. But nope, just like 2002 they killed it. Again.
In 1967 that first commercial you showed with the butternut yellow Camaro I always wondered why they showed the small block and not the big block 396 for that commercial you can tell it's not a big block cuz it's missing the blacked out rear panel the back rear panel that's how you tell a small block from a big one during that time the big black always has the rear panel blacked out
I think Gm doesn't want the camaro stepping on the corvette shoes. The corvette is GMs baby that can do no wrong, while the camaro gets nerfed.
@jalenhall6185 100%
After the latest C8 iteration, doesn’t matter if they strapped a rocket to a ZL1…its not touching the C8 zr1 and especially not the Zora
For the 2nd time. How embarrassing
@@Dan-gj1hzthose cars will never be built or sold in any great numbers. The Zora may be limited to just a handful. The people that could afford those exotics aren't in the Camaro/Mustang demographic anyway.
@@msh6865 Camaro ZL1 didn’t exactly sell real well anyway. Sub 3000 units in 2022. Little over 2000 units in 2023. C8 z06 did 6,403 units in 2023 alone. 2024 estimated to be at or above those numbers due to dealers offering them at or below MSRP. Dealers are now offering 5-10k off MSRP off the C8z.
bringing back pontiac would be a dream come true
you know what pontiac stands for right?!?!
We have enough boat anchors running around.
Bring back the trans am!
Aside from the bozo's opinions above. A Pontiac needs to be legit, not a Chevy in drag (Like 82' and above Trans Ams for instance) I'm for it. Just don't put a Corvette engine in the thing.
@@raeis3d it would be if gm were not to make it a SUV-only division
I had always wished Chevy would have built a 6th generation Z28 with the 427ci LS7! In my opinion, the best Chevy motor ever
As long as they reengineer the heads first, to much money for a motor that eats its own exhaust valves. Sad part is, it isn’t an if, it’s a when.
I've said this for the longest, imagine a 7 L 550+ hp track monster
@@Blu_Ice_392 It's called 'C6Z with H/C/I' and that will get you 580 Wheel Hp
@@Dorfwols Owned my '67 SS350 4 speed 4.11 posi rear 49 years! Rebuilt 1 time, went through the Muncie once and changed the single traction 3.31s for the 4.11 posi! The car is solid still, even has original ball joints! replace radiator last year, since original finally gave up the ghost! I love the new Camaros, but at 68 years old, retired, I'll never own 1! But the '67 is still the 1!
Those LS7 blew up like crazy....not a good motor
I'm pissed off because GM never allows one car to achieve greatness unless it's the Corvette. If they do bring it back, hopefully there won't be a electric version
GM always screwed the Camaro over for the Corvette they would not mass-produce any Camaro with a 427 motor they said it would take away from the Corvette so they never made a 3-2 barrel carburetor l88 for a Camaro because it would upset the Corvette they had the copo 427 Camaros but what they made like 60 of them and that was only for professional racers who were connected with GM leadership
They should bring it back after all of the super car competitors offer front engine vehicles Chevy needs a front engine sports car for those who can’t or doesn’t want mid engine
@joshuaknuckles4594 hence why I still have some hope that the front engine Vette can make a comeback
It felt very much the same here in Australia when Holden was still going and the somewhat limiting of HSV and what they could do in terms of tuning and modding, that would cause a knock on effect limiting the whole range from base to top spec. We wouldn't want a four-door sedan getting close to the corvette now, would we.
@Gengargamer2_ if holden's corvette was the Monaro, which used a corvette engine, then they wouldn't be competing with each other directly
Considering how the election went and how GM has invested a ton of money into V8's in spite of the EV mandates, you never know what GM might do.
I cannot fathom how you people manage to think trump is going to do anything for V8s. Tesla is the largest EV company on the planet, they produce the world’s best selling car, they dominate the market. And you think Elon musk is jumping up and down on stage and offering people money to vote trump, because trump is gonna push back against EVs?????
Dont think the Election … had too much to do with this…
Dream on
@@Smasher-Devourer the ceo of the most successful EV company wouldn’t have been paying people to vote trump if trump was going to apply any amount of push back to evs
@@Akosa117 Musk has been quite vocal that he does not really agree with the push for everything to go electric. I think he might prefer it to remain a niche market which he dominates.
I tried to order the ZL1-1LE for 2 yrs… dealers couldn’t get allocations. I tried the last two years. Unfortunately I never got one.. excellent upload brother👊
I also tried the last 2 years. In 2024 a dealer swore they would get an allocation. They used it to order one for their own stock and had the nerve to call me to see if I wanted that one knowing it was nothing what I ordered.
@@marksix3027lol same thing happened when I tried to order a Blackwing in 2022. Idiots
i got 3 in over a year but my family's dealership has no performance competition for 100 miles they all sell trucks. we have a dodge dealership we bought 30 miles from the chevy dealership and a toyota lexus dealership next door to the chevy dealership. we got a special order copo ZL 1 all titanium bottom end lambo doors 770hp i really wanted to keep for myself
Most of what say is not true try again.
@@stevenbean9706 Which dealership are you? Can you get me a C8 ZR1 allocation?
The Alpha platform on the Gen 6 Camaro its chassis/suspension was way ahead of its competition and previous generations. It's underpinnings when viewed from a lift are more luxury sports car/grand tourer than muscle/pony car. In 1LE trim with magnetic ride dampers that's even more amplified.
Totally agree. My ZL1 handles as well or better than any BMW I’ve driven. It’s a great car that was criminally neglected by GM marketing.
The Camaro definitely needs to come back.Excellent muscle car definitely needs to come back. Not to mention it's the best handling muscle car, and it has the best manual transmission.
Thanks a lot! 😢 Now I'm counting my pennies to get a ZL-1. 😅 I had an SS and miss it. I agree with you, now is the perfect time for GM to get back in the game of affordable performance.
2024: 60th anniversary of the Mustang
2026: 60th anniversary of the Charger
2027: 60th anniversary of the Camaro
I'm a mustang guy all day long but bring back camaro its an iconic car that deserves alot more love and respect than gm has shown it in the last few years I hate that mustang is the only pony car left competition is a good thing it brings the best out of all brands and it gives consumers more variety
Another Mustang guy here. I agree that there needs to be a competitor. Having competition forces innovation. The only non-Mustang I have ever really considered buying is a Trans Am, but that is because I was born in 1970. When I was young, the TA was the baddest boy on the block until those 85 fox bodies showed up. After a 1969-1970 fastback, there is not better looking car than a 70's Trans Am.
Every muscle car will be gone very soon get them now before it’s to late, you prolly got 4 or 5 years then the mustangs and vets will be toast
Absolutely loved my 89 5.7 IROC! Also owned 3 other third gen T/A’s
There is a company (I believe in Florida) that is still creating 4th gen style F-Bodies as well as other custom offerings. So cool!
Used to have an 87 iroc... I loved that car so much but had to sell it back in 2009.
I finally got myself back in a camaro this year buying a 22 LT1. Just reminded me how much I missed driving the old iroc.
I have 3 camaros, 2022 zl1 1le track use, 87 ls nitrous car street fighting and a 78 z28 blown ls hoonigan. Love em all.
"I could go into an entire video on just the history of the Gen II." YES PLEASE! Would love that, such a gorgeous car :)
I would absolutely love for the Camaro to return. And if the rumors of a new Pontiac are somehow true, a new Firebird would be sweet.
Or they could bring back a big block Chevelle? That would be cool.
I already have a 1970 SS 454 but, I'm with you!
Fully agree 100%
Cool idea
If they had Chip Foose design in maybe.
I'm 58 and about a year ago i bought a 2014 SS Camero Ls3 6 speed and it's the most fun car i've ever owned. Engine isn't anywhere near stock now but even when it was with the six speed it was still a blast to drive around in. I love the way the car rides and handles. If i had any complaint it would be like many that have complained about the electric power steering providing almost no real feedback but when you get used to feeling what the car is doing in your behind instead of in your hands it's easy to push it hard without getting yourself out of shape. I can't imagine ever even thinking of selling it.
Great video, Bud! That ZL1 1LE is sexy!! You're right! Ford/ Chevy have at least 4 more years to make some v8s! I gave up on Stellantis. Apparently Stellantis knows what the American people want? Nope! Not even a frick'n clue! Unless Stellantis gives Dodge/Chrysler back to America, I'm afraid those brands are doomed.
The problem with the Camaro long predates anything with the current administration. The biggest issue is that it was a tank...not enough outward visibility. It wasn't a huge issue for me but EVERY SINGLE PERSON I talked to that considered a Camaro (but bought something else instead) said that the outward visibility was shockingly bad and immediately made them discount the car.
The problem was that Al Oppenheiser kept listening to boomers, a literally dying segment, instead of courting new customers.
Because apart from visibility and styling (the 19+ was an awful downgrade) the Camaro generally performed as well or better than similar trim Mustangs and Challengers. Motor Trend said repeatedly that it was difficult for them to get a Hellcat to beat a ZL1 on the drag strip, even the Redeye.
My problem with the newer Camaro was headroom and visibility. I bought a Mustang GT instead. The Challenger was really good too. It was a large and comfortable car.
The Challenger has way more room in the back seat and trunk.
The modern Camaro was generally regarded as having the best chassis of the 3. 1le handling is super car like. But sitting in one was very cave like. Can’t see shit 😂
I own one. Its easy to get used to. Its a non issue.
@@rideintothesun8106 Yes, if you're going to be hauling bread snatchers and groceries, the Challenger is the way to go.
If you want a practical car, you buy an estate ( sorry... "station wagon" 😊 ) As a drivers' car the Camaro was the best bang per buck on the planet in recent history, and the visibility is a non-issue ( you have blind spot warning lights so highway is really no problem )... but it's definitely the least practical of the three main American muscle cars.
Along with Pontiac Firebird?😉
I think the Firebird would allow them even more flexibility with the platform in that it would not have to meet Camaro's audience expectations.
I'm 65 yrs old....owned 3 camaros and 1 trans am....Wanted to get a camaro for a fun car when I retire and now I'm out of luck...hopefully they will bring them back or its a used one for me....Great video....
I bought a new gen 6, 2017 ZL1 with the 10-speed automatic, loaded out. Enjoyed it for a year, then sold it. The car was an absolute BEAST. Great interior too!
If it was THAT great…why sell it?
@@Dan-gj1hz bc I purchased it on my “GM Employee Discount” and was able to sell it 1 yr later for what I paid for it. 50th anniversary edition.
@@barrydraper So you sold the ZL1 just to "get your money back" 🤡🤡🤡... I bet now you drive a Chevy VOLT which you also must've got with your Employee Discount too. If you're soo concerned about money then you should put it into S&P500 index.
I can't remember ever seeing a camaro commercial, but I have seen plenty of mustang and challenger/charger. Seems like they would advertise it more.
Exactly
Great video, you're absolutely correct about the 6th gen,I have the 2017 Fifty anniversary special edition SS,six speed manual,I put a Whipple and headers on it and now have more power than the LT4, fantastic car, handles like a dream, fast when you want it or completely docile when you just want to cruise,I couldn't be happier with it!!!
Let’s be honest here, no car manufacturer is going to make a car that isn’t selling. Was it a good product? No, it was a fantastic product.
Memories of what happened to the 4th gen. A great product that just got too expensive for the market.
Racer X friend keep up the great work !! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😃😃💪💪👍👍👍
🏆Racer X 😅 the man the myth the legend 🍀✌️
Something better is coming
pls tell
This is Dam good vid, X.
Point taken. I'm adding Camaros back to my Watch lists...+400 club, out the box/Sub 50k ?? ...nuff said.
Right now we have every reason to be hopeful about the Camaro coming back. The problem with GM is their lukewarm attitude towards promotion of their affordable sports car offerings. Fourth generation F-bodies, Pontiac GTO LS1 and LS2 versions, Pontiac G8, Chevy SS among others all fantastic cars that the corporate office won’t push. I’m a lifelong GM guy but it’s heartbreaking to watch the cycle repeat itself across numerous models 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
Sadly, Holden was shut down by GM since they didn't feel like doing any RHD markets anymore. And they made and designed all of those cars. So the Commodore is no longer being worked on, so no more continuation of the the VF commodore/ Chevy SS and no more Monaro/ GTO sine the GTO was the two door variant of the four door. I feel if they where to continue with the four door performance cars they would have to bring back Holden, which is unlikely but annoying since seeing the prices a Chevy SS will sell for over in the US there is clearly demand.
@@Gengargamer2_ Hey dude, thanks for the reply, not only did Holden shut down but the Auto Industry left Australia all together because of the government regulations. So no cars are built down under anymore just a ton of aftermarket companies like Harrop ( kinda like the Australian version of Roush or Whipple) I owned a 2005 LS2 GTO midnight metallic. Awesome car till the very end when a city worker totaled it hitting me while I was stopped in traffic. I’ve got a sixth generation Camaro SS now and it’s my baby. Probably going with a vette for my next car but not sure which one 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
@Michael-pi8ps Not true at all about the Mustang always outselling the Camaro. Most recently the fifth generation Camaro outsold the Mustang largely due to the popularity of the Transformers films. Other generations have like the second and third generation were also very close in sales if not beating the Mustang in certain model years. The Mustang has a legendary following with entire family lines sharing the passion but the GM offerings are not far behind. The Camaro lost sales mainly to MOPAR because for the money Challengers/Chargers made more sense for a young family seating 5 people with a larger storage area. The demand is there for a new Camaro it just needs GM to commit to marketing it properly. Even if you’re a Mustang guy you SHOULD want the Camaro back because that makes the muscle/sports car market larger and more profitable for all of us. Bigger market means better Whipple kits, Flowmaster exhausts and more choices overall. See you at cars and coffee 💪🏿🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸🔥🇺🇸✊🏿
Every muscle car will be gone very soon get them now before it’s to late, you prolly got 4 or 5 years then the mustangs and vets will be toast
@@JasonWagner-e5w Not at all. People are done being dictated to. There is no law banning high performance gas powered vehicles. Furthermore, no one except the diehard climate activists WANT a ICE ban. I’m in California and even here the majority of people want fun cars. Unless people lose their nerve and let what has been happening continue into the future we’ll see the products overall (not just cars) come back to the levels people want them to. Just have to wait and see 💪🏿🥷🏾🇺🇸👍🏿
Loved my zl1 , sold her in August. Buy low sell high 😊
The reason sales went down was the cost was so high. I had Gen 1,2 and 3 Camaro's in my teens and 20's. They're not affordable for young people anymore. I wished they would bring the Z28 back I would buy one!
My guess is if they loosen the CAFE standards, the Camaro could very well reappear..:) As that electric Dodge Charger with the digital sound and vibrating seat goes to the dustbin of ridiculous ideas!
I don’t know why GM, Ford and Dodge don’t make a very base version of the car. Say like a base stereo, base interior, no soft touch just all hard plastic but nice looking plastic. They don’t even have to have carpet in the car put that rubber mat material. But definitely include all the safety technology and that’s it sell it for $30 ,000 or around 30 something. Make it so a middle class person that works in a factory can buy it and enjoy a cool muscle car. Because at 40 grand that’s just too much for a lot of people.
Even if they did that people would still find a way to complain
Buy a used Stang, Camaro or Mopar. No reason it has to be new to be a fun car.
If u compare it to Chrysler and dodge. They increased the prices. Thus caused sales to go down.
Like to see the Camaro content! Ready for that LT1 build you've mentioned. 😁
Awesome vid,yes completely agree GM needs to capitalize on this opportunity. Proud 6th gen owner here,absolutely love it and if you put a 305/45/17 out back it rides like a Cadillac 😉 even in Track mode
I can only think of one movie the 6th gen is kind of featured, and that was in Free Guy with Ryan Reynolds as he drove one in the 3rd act of the movie! I'd love to see them do a 7th gen with a more powerful v8 than the 6th gen rather than bring the name back as an EV!!
The day I bought my RT+ Challenger I test drove a Camero. I loved it. The Camero was low and had power but a Challenger is more comfortable. I felt crunched up in the Camero. Good video.
Was the price a big reason??.
I would consider buying a new Camaro SS right away!
Fantastic video! Love the history of cars. Would like to see you do a similar video with the Dodge Charger models over the years.
As a Gen 5 owner, the trunk's not so bad. My wife and I just took ours on vacation for just over a week, about 300 miles away, and had no problems with space. What does suck is their placement of the cup holders in the way of the shifter on the manual trans cars. They were moved a bit on the Gen 6 cars, but still in the way. A travel mug of coffee for the long drive is a good thing; but there's nowhere else to put it!
Had 3 Camaros including a new '69 that I loved. since GM has received so many complaints about the visibility they 15 years to improve it and did nothing. If they had offered a rear camera the visibility would be greatly improved.
They stopped selling these cars because they took a big dip in sales.
Crazy
I'm in the minority when I saw the Camaros draw back was its interior space and horrible visibility.
It is simply the nature of the beast. Unless we use see-through panels for that area
Luv this appreciation post RacerX for the Camaro. They are my favorite
I totally agree that Pontiac should come roaring back with the GTO! As a teen I had the T-37 with the 350ci and it was a blast to drive! As an adult I've had and SRT-8 and a highly modified R/T 5.7 which I also loved to drive. As GTO with a 500 HP NA engine would be a killer on the street.
Well said. 💯. Perfect time to reintroduce the Camaro/ trans am impala ss.
I think Trans am or Camaro should come back
Thanks for another great video - I like this format, focusing on one car with a bit of a back story 👍
I owned a 71 and a 75, loved my Camaros, but then i drove a vette, had a 95 c4 and have a 2010 grand sport. You can’t beat Chevy performance. My fave day driving my 75 was sitting at a light and having a 6 year old kid in the car next to me yelling at his dad, he’s driving bumblebee. It was a sad day my 75 and 95 went away, but my c6 is better than both. However my 71 was faster in a straight line than any of them.
Camaro was my favorite car since I was a kid. I owed 3 over the years.
1985 Z28
1994 V6
2001 Z28
Also had a 1999 Trans Am. Wish that would come back.
Still Own a 2004 GTO.
Just sold my 2012 Challenger SRT and currently daily drive a 2023 Charger Hellcat
I had a 1984 z28. it was the biggest piece of junk I have ever bought. It was at the dealership for repairs more than I had it and it was a new car. I wrote a letter to GM and they basically said go screw yourself. So I traded it and never looked back and since then I have never bought a GM product and never will.
If they come back I may trade in my 22 SS 1LE if I like what they do.
Bought an LT1 in 22 love it best bang for the buck with lots of power
I have a 2021. Weekend driver. Absolutely gutted they didnt do a Gen 7. Unreal that 2016 engineering drives so good. The LT1 lump is timeless, 455 hp/455 tq. Hopefully with new leadership in DC, we see GM offer the normal unassuming American like me and lot of us a simple but proper muscle car.
Just curious why that 1LE doesnt have 1LE wheels?
Reason being this is the ZL1 1 LE., not 2SS 1LE that has those wheels you’re expecting to see.
@@ViTrucker340 The ZL1 1LE has come standard with unique five spoke wheels since it debuted that are smaller than the normal ZL1 wheels (pictured on this car). 2ss 1LE comes with completely different 5 spoke wheels...
My dream car was a 68 RS/SS Camaro, and I almost bought an 87 IROC-Z (my Brother-in-law had a 86) but bought a 86 Mustang GT back when you were a kid LOL. In stead of getting a classic (old) car and everything that goes along with the old car like rust, breaking down, bad handling etc., I recently got a 23 M6 Challenger as it was the Last real throwback muscle car available. It really takes me back to driving a large body muscle car like some of the cars I got to drive that my parents had. 69 Tempest w/ 350 , 72 Catalina w/ 400. My Dad was not going to let me have what I really wanted for my first car, so I got to buy a 78 Sunbird 4 banger, but it was a 4 speed and fun. There was an Olds 442 1969 for the same 2k I spent on the Sunbird in the neighborhood, but he said a 16 year old had no business owning one of them. After what I put that Sunbird through, I would have to say he was right and I may not have survived 😉😉😁😁
Thanks for the video, Racerx. camaro is a beautiful car from 67 to now! I hope they will bring it back! I'm already sad with what dodge is doing, have ford's just making a v8 mustang would be sad, I personally would get a camero like the one you were driving gen 6 in standard! We need other choices!
That orange Camaro you are standing in front of, is what I just bought!
I have a C7 Corvette now, but if they bright Pontiac back and made a Trans Am with a 500 + hp engine and a 6 spd... I would be ordering one in a heartbeat.
That's why I had to order one of these in 2022 before they stopped making them. An vivid orange 2SS, with just about everything OTD for $52+change.
Just like the rest of what we see in America, I think there are things going on behind the scenes that will come out when the time is right. The next gen Camaro and the Challenger/Cuda are both being secretly developed IMO.
They need to make a new one that looks just like the original except with a modern interior
I bought a new 2024 2SS Camaro this spring in April when I heard they were not building any more. I absolutely love the car... a Pontiac option would be kinda cool.
Lifelong dodge guy, just bought a Chevy Colorado if they make the Camaro again I will buy it and I have a scat pack the 70 and a 71 Cuda
Love my 3rd gen. I was definitely going to get a 6th gen SS but my Challenger fell into my lap so I took it. All 3 of the late model muscle cars were all amazing cars
Nice shirt Go Bucks! Being a Pontiac guy, GM has always had it's chosen few you can look into the history between Pontiac and GM. Chevrolet is the top brand for sports cars the Corvette being king. Anything that threatens the hierarchy is eliminated you can't have a Camaro pushing Vette numbers thus good bye Camaro. My dream was to own all the big three supercharged coupes I have a Challenger one down two to go.
Last Gen LT 1 Camaro was one incredible ride. All the trim levels were excellent performers.
The ZL1 1LE is a dominant track monster, and the last of its kind really! Love my 5th gen and the Camaro as a whole; I seriously hope we get a proper 7th gen one day!
The Gordon prank with the salesmen was awesome!
Ford gonna keep increasing prices till competition arrives.
I have owned two Camaros, a 1967 and a 1971. The 1971 was the first new car I ever owned. It featured a 350 and a 4-speed for just over $3,500 sticker price. My current Chevy is a 2017 Impala with a V-6. GM does not offer this car anymore either, as the last year it was manufactured was 2020.
LOVE American Muscle, Cheers!!! Bring back the Challanger and Camaro!!!
Looking for a gen 5 or 6. Ss. What year does not have afm???? Active fuel management
Gen 5 with the LS3 does not have AFM but you need to get a manual for that. The automatics come with the weaker L99 engine, which DOES have AFM. Gen 6 the manual also does not have AFM, but it DOES use the same AFM style lifters and oil management system as the automatic cars that do have AFM, despite not having the electronics to actually engage the AFM. If it were me, and longevity or modification were the priority, I’d probably get a gen 5 manual.
The Copo 572,632. I've heard are super sweet!I had a 80 berlina with a modded 350,91 iroc.z . N a 98 conv.camaro.Gonna miss the camaro.
Purchased my 2018 ZL1 1LE oem add on, for 60K in 2019 it had 2K miles, now 32,000K.
The generation 5 Z28 was 80K new, then they dropped the price, but it was bare bones, this car was a still for the $. Keeping mine for a classic one day with my chevelle.
I have a ZL1 that has a Lingenfelter polish and port with a Magnuson upgrade. Despite 900hp, it is completely drivable and the chassis is equal to anything I’ve driven from BMW.
Chevrolet criminally under marketed the last Camaro….A really great car.
Pontiac and Firebird is coming back!❤❤❤❤❤❤
Agreed. I saw the ad in my Car and Driver magazine several months ago. It should be available soon.
@ also TK garage said a GM muscle car coming back from the ashes (Phoenix/Firebird =Pontiac). Some thought magazine was a hoax lol
@@mgxmaddguiness7066 it is real.
I own a Krypton Green Camaro and I absolutely love it standard at that. The visibility does not bother me one bit. And the trunk size is actually pretty decent it's the opening that's really small. I got rear-ended not too long ago and I have to fix some of the back in the trunk . Still makes me sad I absolutely love my Camaro. There is not another vehicle like I'm telling you. I do want to get a c8 down the road and possibly painted Krypton green. I wouldn't mind if they brought it back
Love that color ..
First car was a Gen 2 Camaro 500 hp hot rod in 1997. Iv owned Camaros forever now Gen 3 5 and my 6. Great cars the Gen 6 blows every generation away no contest.
One of the greatest handling platforms ever made specially for the money hard to believe didn’t sell more idk.
As someone whose owned multiple mustangs and Camaro’s it is very lame that we got a 7th mustang and no 7th gen Camaro
I have my 2018 Camaro ZL1 and I’m keeping it.Sad that they stopped making them it’s a bad decision.
Pontiac Trans Am would be a great returning classic
The Camaro is practically an American institution! Would be awesome to bring it back. Meanwhile I’ll enjoy my ‘14 Z/28 👊🏻
I wanted to get the 2SS 1LE but it’s 2 narrow on the inside for me. I am 6’3 and felt squeezed in it. So I ended up going with a 6 spd Scat Challenger. They most definitely need to make the trunk space bigger also.
When I had my 16 2SS, I got used to the blind spot. At the time I got it when the 17’s were out and got it 10k under sticker for 39k. I remember silverados being 17k off sticker at the time as I also considered a truck. I had to trade the car a year later when I moved to Michigan and couldn’t use it as a daily. If I try to buy a similar spec 16-18 with low miles, it would still cost what the dealer gave me for it in 2017. I will say that mine had transmission issues out the wazoo and GM was messing around with fixing it. Had it in the shop 3 times for it. I still miss it though.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
So many experts out there.
I was wondering why not do some updates on the Camaro. Fix the glaring bad points, like the trunk and the back window(really love the Gen 4 set up). Then, give it a hybrid with that great turbo 4 and/or v6. Keep a v8 for those who want it As well an EV for those who want it. Would be a Stang killer again!!
So Pontiac is coming back but they just canceled the Camaro. That’s so GM. I can’t wait for my new Trans Am Performance Sedan! 🎉
Love my Camaro , So does my Mustang friend , He's always asking me to trade for the weekend ,
Lmao your friend is a nerd.
Love the OSU shirt.
I had a ZL1 and loved it, I’ll buy a TranSam if they bring it back ❤
And the fact that Gm moved the great Camaro engineers over to the woke EV models. Hey GM, how is that working out for ya? I am on my 5th Camaro and wished that GM would have removed their head from their ass and kept this market competitive. But nope, just like 2002 they killed it. Again.
In 1967 that first commercial you showed with the butternut yellow Camaro I always wondered why they showed the small block and not the big block 396 for that commercial you can tell it's not a big block cuz it's missing the blacked out rear panel the back rear panel that's how you tell a small block from a big one during that time the big black always has the rear panel blacked out
If GM doesn't do a lot to promote the Camaro the sales are going to decline
you are way out of touch.
The ZL1 and 2SS are nice 🙌😇
2SS 🤩