it’s amazing to me how drastically different a shoe can feel between two people. I usually agree with your takes, but this is one of the most fun and bouncy shoes I’ve worn in a long time.
Lesson for the day: shoes are way too personal to get caught up in shoe hype. To me the Boston 12 is the least comfortable thing I've ever put on my foot, and it just feels like a dead stiff brick. The endospeed 3 just feels like pure mush to me
I agree fully. At slow paces this shoe is hard work. It absorbs energy and doesn't give it back. My heart rate is noticable higher at these paces than the prime x strung OG
My first impressions……comfortable, smooth roll-through, but not as exciting as all the reviews I watched stated. However, I completed a half marathon over the weekend and for me it was just a steady run and they didn’t cause any issues. I think they feel slightly better and faster paces.
Iv got to be honest, I bought this shoe based on other shoe reviewers and even as a fan didn't review yours.. you are spot on on this shoe. Its crap. Its a soft pile of muscle aching mess and if your reading this just by the Adidas SL2 instead!
Bro, I bought these too. I own the Skyward and love them like you do. The Neo Vista do nothing for me. They feel like the Nimbus with a stability plate in it. I don’t get excited to run in them at all. Going to return them this week. Off topic: What’s a good tempo/race day shoe to pair with the Skyward if I’m just going for a 2 pair rotation? Cielo X1?
Nimbus with a plate... harsh but accurate 😂 also for a race shoe my current top pick for what you're looking for is the endorphin pro 4. It's a little more streamlined than the cielo x1 and skyward X but still has that fun bounce. Really versatile and should be durable for training based on my experience with the pro 3. Cielo x1 is also a good pick if you just want something similar to the Skyward X
The contrarian shoe reviewer. Aren't shoe reviewers supposed to let the bias go at least by the first mile of the run? You seem to have your mind made up by step one on how this will come out and how it will feel: "This shoe is getting under my skin". Love your channel, but man the bias is thick. We all drink the cool aid, We drink it every day on social media. many of us are drinking it exactly now.
I'm going to pass 50 miles today on the Neo Vista and it has been working for me. I get the softness and roll at slower speeds and the bounce at quicker paces. I don't love the upper but, after a couple of runs, I figured out how to make it work for me. I'm sure you're not doing anything wrong; it just may not be a good fit for your running style. I've heard reviews on the Skyward X that suggest you need to put some force down in order to experience the qualities that you rave about. It's fine. You're a bigger, faster, heel striker, while I am a 135 lb., midfoot striker with a 10-11 minute easy pace. It makes sense that we might not have the same shoes work well for us. I've hesitated to try a real carbon plated racer (even on clearance) because I wonder if I could activate the plate and foam well. What's great about the running community is that a sub-3 marathoner like you and a 2+ hour Half Marathoner like me can still cheer each other on for whatever our goals are.
Yeah I'm thinking this is a case where it's really a forefoot striker shoe only ☹️ hopefully us heel clunkers will get some love in the v2. But 100% agreed on cheering each other on 💪🏽
@@supwell I’m a midfoot striker and I love mine more each run! The real bounce comes when you remove the care instructions 🤣 love your videos, keep it up! 👍🏼
I really enjoy my neo vista. It fits perfectly and doesn’t feel long. The feel of it while running is fantastic in slow/moderate paces, even feels really stable around corners. Surprised to hear that it’s moving on you. The only thing I can say is it does get pretty hot on the foot after a few miles for sure.
I am going to reiterate what a few others have said here that its amazing how different two people can experience a shoe. My guess is that our mechanics are different and that youre a stronger runner. For me a relative newbie in running and not as strong the rocker really helps keeping my feet turning over when I am beat up from a long run the day before. I find the midsole compresses in a beautiful mush, rocks you forward and decompresses in one smooth motion. Its weirdly pretty stable for me and I have mild stability needs, and the upper just hugs my foot without any issues. I found wet grip is at only above average. Laces suck and im considering changing them.
Great analysis and insight - and glad it is working for you. I've also heard it takes some time to break in so I'm hoping I can get a different experience out of the next few runs. Also "Beautiful Mush" is a great band name 😂
I have about 50 miles in this shoe, super fun and bouncy, feels light on foot. Favorite shoe for me since the SuperBlast though they’re very different. I use it for long runs ~7:45-8:00 pace 15-20 mile runs Edit: I am pretty much a pure midfoot striker, rarely land forefoot unless racing mile-5k, rarely land heel unless I’m trying to slow down on a steep downhill
2 things: 1- the only paces I don’t like this shoe at is recovery paces. Mad max shoes are either recovery shoes or actual super trainers. This is an actual super trainer for me. I get the same economy numbers at higher speeds as my super shoes (using heart rate). I could use this for long run with MP or even 5k workouts where I want to save the legs versus a minimal shoe (cornering sucks though ). 2- how to eat the best breakfast tacos while in Austin. 1. Get in your car 2. Drive to San Antonio 3. Eat tacos . 4. Get back in your car 5. Drive back to Austin ((the taco wars are real ) And 3 - my first impression drops tomorrow - hilarious how polar opposite our tastes are. We come together for the Novablast 4 and skyward x tho
Hahaha oh man is there a San Antonio vs Austin rivalry I'm just learning about?? And yeah I'm super surprised at the pace thing ... it leaves me wondering what the purpose of the flash 2 is since it seems that there's so much overlap. And mizuno doesn't really have any other "exciting" shoes in their lineup - and then they have these two taller stack plated trainers that essentially do the same thing 🤔
@@supwell I’ll bring you some tacos at the next running event . I think I’m going to go since it’s relatively down the street. Not sure on the mizuno front but I’m a fan. 😂 i see a skyward battle on the horizon
Meu amigo, os seus vídeos são muito bons mas tenho que ficar super atento para acompanhar a velocidade do seu inglês. Obrigado pelas ótimas opiniões e informações!
So pumped you’re testing this shoe! Haven’t watched the video because I’m saving your videos for a long intercontinental flight this weekend. To counteract some of the comments, I’m glad your videos are long 😉
I absolutely love this shoe!! Soooo comfy and bouncy, only negative for me is how warm the upper is, but get past that and the Neo Vista is a real winner 👌🏻
Hey I'm new to running, and trying to get into it as a sport. I'm not fast, and I big dude. Any advice on what shoes I should look into. And how do I run faster and longer? I think the longest I've ran was an hour and a half and I covered 5 miles. I know to some of you guys that's terrible, but I'd like some tips to improve.
Glad to have you here man! 💪🏽 and congrats on the progress you've made already. When I started running the biggest thing I did to see improvement was to run consistently every week and not worry about pace. If you can get out and run 30 minutes a few times during the week at a nice and relaxed effort and build up to doing an hour long run on the weekends, you'll see your overall running fitness and speeds naturally improve. Once you do that for a few months you can build by adding more running days or trying to run faster on a few days per week, but just building up to running 4 to 5 times a week comfortably - and having that feel good and not stressful - will help you make big breakthroughs. As for the shoes I highly recommend the Asics novablast 4. They are comfortable and supportive and great for running those relaxed miles. Here's the link to the info page on my website. www.supwell.io/shoes/asics-novablast-4 If you decide to buy, going through that helps support the channel. Let me know if you have any questions on shoes or otherwise man 🙌🏽
Been waiting for this review! And I have to say after about 100kms on mine, I'm less impressed than I was at the beginning and the vistas were giving me a bit of foot pain in the forefoot as well. On another note, I tried the SL2 and hate those shoes, they feel flat, clunky and cheap and not sure what pace I would use them at! So maybe my mechanics are different too. I'm a high cadence runner, 190 at almost all paces. Strapped some Triumph 20s back on and realized how much I still like those and prefer those as an everyday trainer, Speeds as tempo and Pro4 as race. I also tried the 1080s and felt they were pure mush. I guess I'm a Saucony fan boy....
Sorry the SL2 isn't working for you! Good to know about your cadence though - I'm at 160 to 170 at all paces and only touch 180 if I'm getting down to 5 minute miles or faster. I wonder if the soft foam just don't compress enough for your running style and you have to fight against it in both the 1080 and SL2 🤔 I also love the triumph 20 though - again it proves it's one of the most versatile shoes of all time!
I've been waiting on your take on this shoe since you're really the only reviewer I watch these days. I was going to buy them, but glad I decided not to. I bought the crocs with your link and will order Vuori, but your discount code isn't working.
Thanks for the note and sorry about the code! The link in the description will work - I checked with them and there's no code (I got mixed up). Everything has to go through that link. Also I hope you're enjoying that crocs comfort 💪🏽
According to the Doctors of Running interview with the Mizuno designers this is NOT supercritical EVA. It is some secret EVA blend, someting similar to Chemically modified EVA (CMEVA) of Hoka. Hoka finally gave up and started putting supercritical foams (Mach 6) or PEBA in performance models. I tried this shoe and it was a day after my long run so I ran recovery run like you, didn't get a lot of pop and gave it to the fact that my legs were tired. I think Mizuno should put a better foam for the next version. Without the deep midsole void and plate I would sink in and not get out. Those elements are helping. And it probably feels better at higher pace because you sink in and the foam doesn't have time to expland so it firms up to become more responsive. I would buy this shoe but not at the current price. If they are available at some point at 30-40% discount, I want a pair for casual use. I did the looks and the upper.
I love the shoes! My only issue (and not running related) is that it's not good for driving a car, especially manual transmisison (the one in my profile photo). The hollowed bottom caused the shoes to get stuck with the clutch and break pedals LOL!!
Very interesting, you're the first reviewer I've seen thats been fairly critical of this one which I'm all for if thats your initial impression; I would disagree on the intended purpose of Mizuno's shoe line up though, Rebellion Pro 2 is the race day, the Flash 2 is for the speed work but not designed for high miles and Neo Vista is for long up-tempo miles, its not a recovery or long slow distance shoe, based on Mizunos marketing information. That said, based on your initial impression, I feel inclined to wait for the SC Trainer 3, that looks like it's going to be a nice shoe with a similar use case.
Good nudge on the intended purpose. I've heard a few other runners say it felt better at faster paces as well - I'm going to give it a shot with some faster pace for the next run
Hi Yowana. New subscriber here. Btw, I really need you advise. Lately I've been considering to buy a new shoe. But I haven't decided should I buy a plated shoe (this neo vista is one of the option) or rebel v4. If you suggest to buy a plated shoe, which one should I consider to buy? Fyi, I'm a slow runner with pace around 9 - 11/km. My body weigh around 170 pounds with height around 5'7. For now my shoe rotation are asics novablast 4, new balance 1080 v13 and hoka bondi 8.
Definitely different strokes for different folks..it's rare for the whole package works together to make a great shoe..also when you change the pace the whole package often falls apart..what feels good at zn2 pace can turn into a brick at zn4 pace..so far I've never found the great shoe..the rocket x2 is as close as I've used, but it still could be tweaked a little..good review..
I was definitely disappointed with my 1st run, even as a midfoot to forefoot runner. It just felt like I had to work very hard in the shoe. I can only imagine as a heel striker these shoes are terrible, mushy and unresponsive. The forefoot definitely gives a firmer more responsive ride than the heel. After a few runs the EVA seems to be breaking-in a little and becoming more responsive. These shoes are also super stable for me as a mid/forefoot striker, largely due to the width, no issue with the upper, apart from running long for me.
@@supwell - I think you still might not like it being a heel striker, but worth giving it a go. I definitely have superblast vibes with this shoe, couldn’t understand what all the fuss was about and the out of the blue it just started to work for me.
@@supwell What comes to my mind when you‘re putting some shoes on your engine hood of your very lovely truck that there aren’t any rocks under the shoes 😅 And especially when you‘re putting some crazy rock collectors on it like the Neo Vista 😄😄😄 I just want to protect your nice car from rock scratchings. It would be really a bummer if this happens
You’re one of the only people to give a straight up negative review and I appreciate that. I do have a question. The durometer measures the static hardness of the foam, but when you’re running you feel the dynamic response. Is there a difference between the durometer and the feel? Have you found any examples of soft foams that stiffen at speed? I ask because I’m a big low cadence runner and I usually agree with your takes. Things that work well for me (maybe us) might not work for these 5’5” 130 lb 185 cadence runners. High cadence runners will drive the foams at a higher frequency and might have a really different experience. Might be interesting to see if your top 10 shoes have durometer readings significantly different from the shoes you don’t like.
My manager over at the local running store I work at loves it specifically for the “soft” feelings, which we’ve both found to be a highly subjective term that everyone seems to define differently. It sounds like your definition is probably more on the “springy” side. I’d say go watch Doctors of Running and their vid on this topic as it helps to really be able to define and objectify these terms in concrete terms. Great video!
The sock-like upper totally does not work for me. It's hard not to have issues with it, no matter how snug, fitting or supportive it may seem. The look is good, the ride is meh. :D Thanks for another review!
@@radoslavstoev4550I have done it many times, just be very careful where and how you run, wear clean socks, remove them immediatly after the run and clean them .. works on most shoes but its harder when there is exposed white foam under the shoe .. VIM works great to remove stains
medial is the inside or arch side, lateral is the outside of the foot. love vuori, i sleep in those pants too! GFs steal them. is your device asker C or Asker A? BTW i used to live in south park too, my first job for reebok. i am more of a traditionalist, never liked barefoot shoes and don't like big stack- my belief is you create a fulcrum and easier to twist an ankle. if you use the runners lace that top hole might be more comfortable. don't believe the hype!
Keep in mind.. these foams are not always the same.. diffrent compression levels.. im no expert but there is often a big diff between diffrent pairs of the same shoe. You might have gotten a wierd pair. I got 2 superblasts with diffrent foams lol. Same with the vaporfly. Lets not talk about hoka shoes cause their foam is all over the place.
@@danbuhuera376 is the opposite, for hard the shore A is what you gotta use, shore a is for rubbers (harder than foams), for foams C is what is correct
@@Max-jt5jz unstable in that the softness does not have a good rebound and if you are not on point your heel could buckle easily. in my opinion they need to make the foam firmer rather than mushy with little return. i think kofuzi explained it best in his review it decompresses but it doesn't shoot back up like other super trainers
@@karls8989 Cool thanks. I have pretty strong ankles so my heels don't buckle. I head someone describe the softness as close to rebel v2, which foam/s do you think they are comparable to?
Really detailed review, love the way you catch all the moment on camera. Could you do some chinese running shoes too? Like Li-ning, Xtep,... I barely see any reviews on these brand on the internet as they're only famous in their country and it's maybe difficult to buy these outside CN (if not officially distributed). Really appreciate if you do so! Have a good day!
Currently we have only chinese brands in Russia thanks to Putin, all big brands left us, and I can say chinese brands are bad, they only can copy some features from big companies and they still making it wrong, their geometries are wrong, foam formula are wrong, everything is not matching each. Chinese brands were trying to make good basketball shoes for decades, and they're still bad, same here with running shoes, so don't waste your money on chinese brands. Chinese shoes are BAD, chinese cars are BAD, chinese phones are BAD, chinese brands SUCKS! DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY!
Bro you can take it or leave this advice but I really advise you to make a cut down version of your videos with only the essential parts of the shoe reviews. Like a 10-15 minute version and then the extended addition. I think you will attract a wider audience this way. Bless you
When I don’t have the time to watch all I just skip forward to the post run thoughts it’s a pretty concise summary. I really appreciate the details and non shoe discussions though. So I hope that doesn’t change and follow all the other channels
I'm both disappointed and relieved. I was about to order these today. I'll save my money for something else. I like bouncy shoes. Any recommendations? All suggestions appreciated
The hoka skyward x or Mach 6 are the two I'd recommend. If you want that super high cushioned feeling with bounce, the skyward x is the one to get - especially if you're doing a lot of longer miles. If you want something fun and bouncy for everyday runs, then the Mach 6 is awesome and $40 cheaper. Both shoes have that nice rolling ride from the rocker and are a lot more versatile than the Neo vista felt for me out of the box
Another banger shoe! I think you are entering the marathon trainer shoe phase. With all the upcoming release. Can't wait for the New Balance SC trainer v3!
Put some respect on the Neo Vista name 😂. I got it recently, I have to say I think it is a joy to run in! Different footstrikes a real thing bro. Keep up the good work 💪
It's interesting really cause I'm 6'1 and 72Kgs, basically same dimensions as you. But I'm more midfoot and forefoot striker and have a totally different experience
I don't care about the weight of shoes (and I know that they are lighter in my size), but seeing that your one Skyward X shoe (332) weighs almost the same as my pair of Edge Paris (167+169), made my jaw drop! And it's totally your fault that I weighed them out of the box anyway 🤣
Superblast fanboys goin full protekk mode on their fave lol. I love the superblast aswell. I would wanna have a 50 mm wide soft variant of zoomx with a semi soft plate inside lol. 6 to 7 mm drop. Imagine the zoom x from the alphafly v1. That super squishy heel.
it’s amazing to me how drastically different a shoe can feel between two people. I usually agree with your takes, but this is one of the most fun and bouncy shoes I’ve worn in a long time.
Couldn’t agree more….i feel the same way about this shoe as you do.
What foot strike do you have?
Midfoot. The shoe feels very natural and stable with a midfoot strike.
@@andy_runs305 I’m also midfoot as well. The shoe is very soft and bouncy and fun to run in for me. And the knit upper is so well done.
100% on the upper. I was skeptical going in but am amazed at how well it fits and hugs my foot.
Lesson for the day: shoes are way too personal to get caught up in shoe hype.
To me the Boston 12 is the least comfortable thing I've ever put on my foot, and it just feels like a dead stiff brick. The endospeed 3 just feels like pure mush to me
I agree fully. At slow paces this shoe is hard work. It absorbs energy and doesn't give it back. My heart rate is noticable higher at these paces than the prime x strung OG
You need to find someone to provide you with the OG Alphafly 1. It’s absolutely insane.
My first impressions……comfortable, smooth roll-through, but not as exciting as all the reviews I watched stated.
However, I completed a half marathon over the weekend and for me it was just a steady run and they didn’t cause any issues. I think they feel slightly better and faster paces.
I know it's an older shoe, but I'd really liked your input on Nike Zoom fly 5
MAGIC SPEED 4 VS HYPERION MAX 2!!!!
Iv got to be honest, I bought this shoe based on other shoe reviewers and even as a fan didn't review yours.. you are spot on on this shoe. Its crap. Its a soft pile of muscle aching mess and if your reading this just by the Adidas SL2 instead!
Bro, I bought these too. I own the Skyward and love them like you do. The Neo Vista do nothing for me. They feel like the Nimbus with a stability plate in it. I don’t get excited to run in them at all. Going to return them this week.
Off topic: What’s a good tempo/race day shoe to pair with the Skyward if I’m just going for a 2 pair rotation? Cielo X1?
Nimbus with a plate... harsh but accurate 😂 also for a race shoe my current top pick for what you're looking for is the endorphin pro 4. It's a little more streamlined than the cielo x1 and skyward X but still has that fun bounce. Really versatile and should be durable for training based on my experience with the pro 3. Cielo x1 is also a good pick if you just want something similar to the Skyward X
The contrarian shoe reviewer. Aren't shoe reviewers supposed to let the bias go at least by the first mile of the run? You seem to have your mind made up by step one on how this will come out and how it will feel: "This shoe is getting under my skin". Love your channel, but man the bias is thick. We all drink the cool aid, We drink it every day on social media. many of us are drinking it exactly now.
The shoe didn't work for me ... it's not that deep man 😂
I'm going to pass 50 miles today on the Neo Vista and it has been working for me. I get the softness and roll at slower speeds and the bounce at quicker paces. I don't love the upper but, after a couple of runs, I figured out how to make it work for me. I'm sure you're not doing anything wrong; it just may not be a good fit for your running style. I've heard reviews on the Skyward X that suggest you need to put some force down in order to experience the qualities that you rave about.
It's fine. You're a bigger, faster, heel striker, while I am a 135 lb., midfoot striker with a 10-11 minute easy pace. It makes sense that we might not have the same shoes work well for us. I've hesitated to try a real carbon plated racer (even on clearance) because I wonder if I could activate the plate and foam well. What's great about the running community is that a sub-3 marathoner like you and a 2+ hour Half Marathoner like me can still cheer each other on for whatever our goals are.
Yeah I'm thinking this is a case where it's really a forefoot striker shoe only ☹️ hopefully us heel clunkers will get some love in the v2. But 100% agreed on cheering each other on 💪🏽
@@supwell I’m a midfoot striker and I love mine more each run! The real bounce comes when you remove the care instructions 🤣 love your videos, keep it up! 👍🏼
I really enjoy my neo vista. It fits perfectly and doesn’t feel long. The feel of it while running is fantastic in slow/moderate paces, even feels really stable around corners. Surprised to hear that it’s moving on you. The only thing I can say is it does get pretty hot on the foot after a few miles for sure.
I am going to reiterate what a few others have said here that its amazing how different two people can experience a shoe. My guess is that our mechanics are different and that youre a stronger runner. For me a relative newbie in running and not as strong the rocker really helps keeping my feet turning over when I am beat up from a long run the day before.
I find the midsole compresses in a beautiful mush, rocks you forward and decompresses in one smooth motion.
Its weirdly pretty stable for me and I have mild stability needs, and the upper just hugs my foot without any issues.
I found wet grip is at only above average. Laces suck and im considering changing them.
Great analysis and insight - and glad it is working for you. I've also heard it takes some time to break in so I'm hoping I can get a different experience out of the next few runs. Also "Beautiful Mush" is a great band name 😂
I have about 50 miles in this shoe, super fun and bouncy, feels light on foot. Favorite shoe for me since the SuperBlast though they’re very different. I use it for long runs ~7:45-8:00 pace 15-20 mile runs
Edit: I am pretty much a pure midfoot striker, rarely land forefoot unless racing mile-5k, rarely land heel unless I’m trying to slow down on a steep downhill
2 things: 1- the only paces I don’t like this shoe at is recovery paces. Mad max shoes are either recovery shoes or actual super trainers. This is an actual super trainer for me. I get the same economy numbers at higher speeds as my super shoes (using heart rate). I could use this for long run with MP or even 5k workouts where I want to save the legs versus a minimal shoe (cornering sucks though ).
2- how to eat the best breakfast tacos while in Austin. 1. Get in your car 2. Drive to San Antonio 3. Eat tacos . 4. Get back in your car 5. Drive back to Austin ((the taco wars are real )
And 3 - my first impression drops tomorrow - hilarious how polar opposite our tastes are. We come together for the Novablast 4 and skyward x tho
Hahaha oh man is there a San Antonio vs Austin rivalry I'm just learning about?? And yeah I'm super surprised at the pace thing ... it leaves me wondering what the purpose of the flash 2 is since it seems that there's so much overlap. And mizuno doesn't really have any other "exciting" shoes in their lineup - and then they have these two taller stack plated trainers that essentially do the same thing 🤔
@@supwell I’ll bring you some tacos at the next running event . I think I’m going to go since it’s relatively down the street. Not sure on the mizuno front but I’m a fan. 😂 i see a skyward battle on the horizon
I hated the Superblast.
You're in a safe place to say that here ❤️
Me too 😂
You are hilarious my friend. I appreciate your honest feedback and willingness to go against the grain.
I have the Neo Vista have yet to try them out.
Meu amigo, os seus vídeos são muito bons mas tenho que ficar super atento para acompanhar a velocidade do seu inglês. Obrigado pelas ótimas opiniões e informações!
I'm sad the SL2 revenge tour has ended :(
🤣
How much money do you budget for shoes each month? Lol, $600?
$900+
So pumped you’re testing this shoe! Haven’t watched the video because I’m saving your videos for a long intercontinental flight this weekend. To counteract some of the comments, I’m glad your videos are long 😉
Hahaha I appreciate you Ray! And stay tuned for some more testing soon 🙌🏽
Ive been absolutely slammed on my 2 favourite shoes..... The superblast and the neo vista! 🤣🤣
I absolutely love this shoe!! Soooo comfy and bouncy, only negative for me is how warm the upper is, but get past that and the Neo Vista is a real winner 👌🏻
After 12 miles, I like the NeoVista Better than the SC trainer V1 !
High praise as I know a lot of people loved that shoe! I'm excited to get some more miles in it
Hey I'm new to running, and trying to get into it as a sport. I'm not fast, and I big dude. Any advice on what shoes I should look into. And how do I run faster and longer? I think the longest I've ran was an hour and a half and I covered 5 miles. I know to some of you guys that's terrible, but I'd like some tips to improve.
Glad to have you here man! 💪🏽 and congrats on the progress you've made already. When I started running the biggest thing I did to see improvement was to run consistently every week and not worry about pace. If you can get out and run 30 minutes a few times during the week at a nice and relaxed effort and build up to doing an hour long run on the weekends, you'll see your overall running fitness and speeds naturally improve. Once you do that for a few months you can build by adding more running days or trying to run faster on a few days per week, but just building up to running 4 to 5 times a week comfortably - and having that feel good and not stressful - will help you make big breakthroughs. As for the shoes I highly recommend the Asics novablast 4. They are comfortable and supportive and great for running those relaxed miles. Here's the link to the info page on my website. www.supwell.io/shoes/asics-novablast-4 If you decide to buy, going through that helps support the channel. Let me know if you have any questions on shoes or otherwise man 🙌🏽
@@supwellthanks champ, I'll try doing what you suggested, and check out your website. Thanks for the feedback and help
Been waiting for this review! And I have to say after about 100kms on mine, I'm less impressed than I was at the beginning and the vistas were giving me a bit of foot pain in the forefoot as well. On another note, I tried the SL2 and hate those shoes, they feel flat, clunky and cheap and not sure what pace I would use them at! So maybe my mechanics are different too. I'm a high cadence runner, 190 at almost all paces. Strapped some Triumph 20s back on and realized how much I still like those and prefer those as an everyday trainer, Speeds as tempo and Pro4 as race. I also tried the 1080s and felt they were pure mush. I guess I'm a Saucony fan boy....
Sorry the SL2 isn't working for you! Good to know about your cadence though - I'm at 160 to 170 at all paces and only touch 180 if I'm getting down to 5 minute miles or faster. I wonder if the soft foam just don't compress enough for your running style and you have to fight against it in both the 1080 and SL2 🤔 I also love the triumph 20 though - again it proves it's one of the most versatile shoes of all time!
Considering these as a replacement for my nimbus 25’s, they’re on their last legs
I've been waiting on your take on this shoe since you're really the only reviewer I watch these days. I was going to buy them, but glad I decided not to. I bought the crocs with your link and will order Vuori, but your discount code isn't working.
Thanks for the note and sorry about the code! The link in the description will work - I checked with them and there's no code (I got mixed up). Everything has to go through that link. Also I hope you're enjoying that crocs comfort 💪🏽
According to the Doctors of Running interview with the Mizuno designers this is NOT supercritical EVA. It is some secret EVA blend, someting similar to Chemically modified EVA (CMEVA) of Hoka. Hoka finally gave up and started putting supercritical foams (Mach 6) or PEBA in performance models. I tried this shoe and it was a day after my long run so I ran recovery run like you, didn't get a lot of pop and gave it to the fact that my legs were tired. I think Mizuno should put a better foam for the next version. Without the deep midsole void and plate I would sink in and not get out. Those elements are helping. And it probably feels better at higher pace because you sink in and the foam doesn't have time to expland so it firms up to become more responsive.
I would buy this shoe but not at the current price. If they are available at some point at 30-40% discount, I want a pair for casual use. I did the looks and the upper.
"pull upnwith the tobias funke" lmao
You gotta try the brooks Hyperion max 2 next
Yessir planning to test that one as soon as I can get it!
I love the shoes! My only issue (and not running related) is that it's not good for driving a car, especially manual transmisison (the one in my profile photo). The hollowed bottom caused the shoes to get stuck with the clutch and break pedals LOL!!
Very interesting, you're the first reviewer I've seen thats been fairly critical of this one which I'm all for if thats your initial impression; I would disagree on the intended purpose of Mizuno's shoe line up though, Rebellion Pro 2 is the race day, the Flash 2 is for the speed work but not designed for high miles and Neo Vista is for long up-tempo miles, its not a recovery or long slow distance shoe, based on Mizunos marketing information. That said, based on your initial impression, I feel inclined to wait for the SC Trainer 3, that looks like it's going to be a nice shoe with a similar use case.
Good nudge on the intended purpose. I've heard a few other runners say it felt better at faster paces as well - I'm going to give it a shot with some faster pace for the next run
Superb unbiased review. So go get new balance supercomp trainer v2 that is on sale for long runs/recovery runs.
Hi Yowana. New subscriber here.
Btw, I really need you advise.
Lately I've been considering to buy a new shoe. But I haven't decided should I buy a plated shoe (this neo vista is one of the option) or rebel v4.
If you suggest to buy a plated shoe, which one should I consider to buy?
Fyi, I'm a slow runner with pace around 9 - 11/km. My body weigh around 170 pounds with height around 5'7.
For now my shoe rotation are asics novablast 4, new balance 1080 v13 and hoka bondi 8.
For me, Neo Vista’s rock catcher makes it feel unstable.
Waiting for the Hoka Skyflow.
Definitely different strokes for different folks..it's rare for the whole package works together to make a great shoe..also when you change the pace the whole package often falls apart..what feels good at zn2 pace can turn into a brick at zn4 pace..so far I've never found the great shoe..the rocket x2 is as close as I've used, but it still could be tweaked a little..good review..
I was definitely disappointed with my 1st run, even as a midfoot to forefoot runner. It just felt like I had to work very hard in the shoe. I can only imagine as a heel striker these shoes are terrible, mushy and unresponsive. The forefoot definitely gives a firmer more responsive ride than the heel. After a few runs the EVA seems to be breaking-in a little and becoming more responsive. These shoes are also super stable for me as a mid/forefoot striker, largely due to the width, no issue with the upper, apart from running long for me.
Good to know it got better for you. I'm planning to do some faster miles in it later this week so hopefully I get a little different experience
Matt from Dr's of running also said it got better for him around 35 miles or so
@@supwell - I think you still might not like it being a heel striker, but worth giving it a go. I definitely have superblast vibes with this shoe, couldn’t understand what all the fuss was about and the out of the blue it just started to work for me.
Mizuno Neo Vista is the craziest stone collector I‘ve seen ever 😂😂😂😂😂 It‘s unreal man
Hahaha that's a certified Rock Catcher 5000 for sure captain 🫡
@@supwell What comes to my mind when you‘re putting some shoes on your engine hood of your very lovely truck that there aren’t any rocks under the shoes 😅
And especially when you‘re putting some crazy rock collectors on it like the Neo Vista 😄😄😄 I just want to protect your nice car from rock scratchings. It would be really a bummer if this happens
Just crossed 100 miles on my Neo Vistas and love them. Replaced the SC Trainer v2 and the Superblast in my shoe rotation.
Those white shoes get dirty so fast and I never seem to be able to get them shiny again.
You’re one of the only people to give a straight up negative review and I appreciate that. I do have a question. The durometer measures the static hardness of the foam, but when you’re running you feel the dynamic response. Is there a difference between the durometer and the feel? Have you found any examples of soft foams that stiffen at speed? I ask because I’m a big low cadence runner and I usually agree with your takes. Things that work well for me (maybe us) might not work for these 5’5” 130 lb 185 cadence runners. High cadence runners will drive the foams at a higher frequency and might have a really different experience. Might be interesting to see if your top 10 shoes have durometer readings significantly different from the shoes you don’t like.
I am beginning to think you are the contrarian reviewer - in a positive way!!
Boldy James baby 🔥🔥 refreshing to see a critical review of this show that has been getting a lot of love from others
My manager over at the local running store I work at loves it specifically for the “soft” feelings, which we’ve both found to be a highly subjective term that everyone seems to define differently. It sounds like your definition is probably more on the “springy” side. I’d say go watch Doctors of Running and their vid on this topic as it helps to really be able to define and objectify these terms in concrete terms. Great video!
Hyperion Max 2 vs Neo Vista vs ES4
Let the Plastic Plate Wars commence!
love the vids, keep it coming!
The sock-like upper totally does not work for me. It's hard not to have issues with it, no matter how snug, fitting or supportive it may seem. The look is good, the ride is meh. :D Thanks for another review!
Can you recommend any models that are very cushioning, bouncy and comfortable, with enough response to get to a 5min/km pace or lower?
My top pick is hoka Mach 6! Bouncy, comfortable and great for faster running
Sounds like this shoe might just be much better for midfoot strikers
Yes please, can you make it 100 miles for the flash 2?
Every time I see these I want to know when people started running in basketball shoes. Great content as always!
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I read it's designed for marathon pace
I have both colorways, absolutely love them. Hope you enjoy them😊
You blue me with this one- Tobias
Did you ever run in the PrimeX strung (1)?
No I haven't run in either of the prime x shoes yet!
The yappy dog loves the Neo Vista AND the Superblast
Hated mine. Returned them after around 25 miles on them
Why?
Assume the rocker was too much and Achilles got destroyed
In which country you can return after running 25 miles in them?
@@radoslavstoev4550 i guess if you run 25 miles in 2 days and send them back clean, could kinda work if it doesent have a used look
@@radoslavstoev4550I have done it many times, just be very careful where and how you run, wear clean socks, remove them immediatly after the run and clean them .. works on most shoes but its harder when there is exposed white foam under the shoe .. VIM works great to remove stains
medial is the inside or arch side, lateral is the outside of the foot. love vuori, i sleep in those pants too! GFs steal them. is your device asker C or Asker A? BTW i used to live in south park too, my first job for reebok. i am more of a traditionalist, never liked barefoot shoes and don't like big stack- my belief is you create a fulcrum and easier to twist an ankle. if you use the runners lace that top hole might be more comfortable. don't believe the hype!
Keep in mind.. these foams are not always the same.. diffrent compression levels.. im no expert but there is often a big diff between diffrent pairs of the same shoe. You might have gotten a wierd pair.
I got 2 superblasts with diffrent foams lol.
Same with the vaporfly.
Lets not talk about hoka shoes cause their foam is all over the place.
durometer for foams is asker C not Asker A and is not used like that, that shoe cant have a 45HA, its much lower.
I think he's using Shore A, not Asker.
@@fergusdenoon1255 same thing, same scale. Foams should be measured in C scale
@@MartaRios-s3f not sure they're the same thing when a shore A score of 45 is an Asker C score of 70.
Shore A is fine. Shore C would measure harder materials. These running shoe foams are not hard or that firm.
@@danbuhuera376 is the opposite, for hard the shore A is what you gotta use, shore a is for rubbers (harder than foams), for foams C is what is correct
for me its too soft and unstable.
How unstable? I love unstable fun shoes but I keep seeing mixed comments about this
@@Max-jt5jz unstable in that the softness does not have a good rebound and if you are not on point your heel could buckle easily. in my opinion they need to make the foam firmer rather than mushy with little return. i think kofuzi explained it best in his review it decompresses but it doesn't shoot back up like other super trainers
@@Max-jt5jz to pick up the pace you have to WORK. its like running in mud
@@karls8989 Cool thanks. I have pretty strong ankles so my heels don't buckle. I head someone describe the softness as close to rebel v2, which foam/s do you think they are comparable to?
Medial inside lateral outside i love the fact the mosquito attack was in the video makes it very real
“I’m afraid I just blue myself”
- Tobias Fünke
This is a bummer Mizuno only releases neon navy blue colorway.
It’s like the car analogies! Kinda of an idea to have in next videos and supwell!
Really detailed review, love the way you catch all the moment on camera. Could you do some chinese running shoes too? Like Li-ning, Xtep,... I barely see any reviews on these brand on the internet as they're only famous in their country and it's maybe difficult to buy these outside CN (if not officially distributed). Really appreciate if you do so!
Have a good day!
Currently we have only chinese brands in Russia thanks to Putin, all big brands left us, and I can say chinese brands are bad, they only can copy some features from big companies and they still making it wrong, their geometries are wrong, foam formula are wrong, everything is not matching each. Chinese brands were trying to make good basketball shoes for decades, and they're still bad, same here with running shoes, so don't waste your money on chinese brands. Chinese shoes are BAD, chinese cars are BAD, chinese phones are BAD, chinese brands SUCKS! DONT WASTE YOUR MONEY!
Uploading AFTER my long run again smh 😂
Man, at 47:52 you sound like one of my chickens! Bah-kah!!! I think that shoe made you a little crazy.
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I aint touching this shoe.
The 3 people lol.
This shoe is 🔥
Bro you can take it or leave this advice but I really advise you to make a cut down version of your videos with only the essential parts of the shoe reviews. Like a 10-15 minute version and then the extended addition. I think you will attract a wider audience this way. Bless you
When I don’t have the time to watch all I just skip forward to the post run thoughts it’s a pretty concise summary.
I really appreciate the details and non shoe discussions though. So I hope that doesn’t change and follow all the other channels
You just lost any credibility. Vista is fire. No one agrees with you
I do.
I'm both disappointed and relieved.
I was about to order these today.
I'll save my money for something else.
I like bouncy shoes. Any recommendations? All suggestions appreciated
The hoka skyward x or Mach 6 are the two I'd recommend. If you want that super high cushioned feeling with bounce, the skyward x is the one to get - especially if you're doing a lot of longer miles. If you want something fun and bouncy for everyday runs, then the Mach 6 is awesome and $40 cheaper. Both shoes have that nice rolling ride from the rocker and are a lot more versatile than the Neo vista felt for me out of the box
Thank you
Tobias Fünke 😆
I almost pulled the trigger on this shoe. Glad I waited. Bought a pair of Rebel V4’s instead 😊
Good call - I'm hoping the sc trainer v3 has more of that relaxed cruiser feel I was hoping for from this. Also balos could be a good one too 🤞🏽
Another banger shoe! I think you are entering the marathon trainer shoe phase. With all the upcoming release. Can't wait for the New Balance SC trainer v3!
Put some respect on the Neo Vista name 😂. I got it recently, I have to say I think it is a joy to run in! Different footstrikes a real thing bro. Keep up the good work 💪
It's interesting really cause I'm 6'1 and 72Kgs, basically same dimensions as you. But I'm more midfoot and forefoot striker and have a totally different experience
@@robbarnett524 - You have nailed it mate, try heel striking in it for fun, it's horrible, Midfoot and forefoot it feels a lot more responsive.
Hahaha I'm gonna give it another chance on a faster run and see how it does
I don't care about the weight of shoes (and I know that they are lighter in my size), but seeing that your one Skyward X shoe (332) weighs almost the same as my pair of Edge Paris (167+169), made my jaw drop! And it's totally your fault that I weighed them out of the box anyway 🤣
Hahaha weighing shoes is the new wave 🌊
Superblast fanboys goin full protekk mode on their fave lol.
I love the superblast aswell.
I would wanna have a 50 mm wide soft variant of zoomx with a semi soft plate inside lol. 6 to 7 mm drop. Imagine the zoom x from the alphafly v1. That super squishy heel.
I agree man I need Nike to come with some heat in this segment 🔥