To the future people watching this video. The white mage portion of this video is now outdated. The blood lily potency got increased, so lilies are now dps neutral. You're encouraged to use lilies for mobility and healing
Thought it might help newbies but you can also use spare lilies during down time as that's technically a dps gain. Can't remember if that was mentioned in the vid
The only bad experience i've had with ff14 so far was a gunbreaker who pulled pretty much every mob in the first half of the dungeon, superbolide, and then rage quit when i couldn't 0-100% twice within 4 seconds (and therefor he died). I wont lie, it gave me a bad taste in my mouth every time i see a gunbreaker tank now. Luckily, 99% of players are not at all like that and are significantly nicer.
3:28 Just a tip. You can press an oGCD as soon as you start casting and it will queue to go out on the target you used it *as soon as the cast ends*. No need to wait for the cast to end to press the ogcd and quickly switch targets. You can quickly ogcd the tank and then go back to spamming the damaging button on the boss and trust that as soon as the cast ends you'll ogcd the tank and immediately start casting damages on the boss again :)
Same, My first healer was SCH (love it) which I got to 90 at the end of Stormblood so I flipped a coin on my next healer (WHM or AST) for Shadowbringers story as I want to level Sage when I get to Endwalker story. Don't like leaving all the Juicy story XP on the table by pushing through with a Max out Job. AST has been AMAZING, love the heals and buffs I can give out, which are very mp efficient, Just hit 62 LOVE using my trap card with Earthy Star.
Same here. Outside of WHM as WHM was the first job I started with, AST clicked with me rather quickly and it became may main healer job due to the amount of tools the job has so it never gets boring, and I also enjoy the theme to it so that help. SCH, on the other had took me a very long time to understand the kit and how to make use of all of the abilities. SGE took a bit of time too, but my time learning SCH made learning SGE much easier. At this point, I simply play all of them as I enjoy the different playstyles of each of the healers. AST would be my favorite out of all of them though, followed closely by SCH and SGE.
Interesting. Astro was the first healer I came across. I did the first job mission and was so confused that I immediately decided to leave the whole job alone until I had done a simpler healer first. Then went back to level 1 (from an 87 dragoon halfway through Shadowbringer) and leveled white mage to finish the story. Never have made my way back to Astro...
I can see AST as being an ideal healer for you when you've played something similar in another game. If you play something that did a lot of other combos (like Demon spec warlock in WoW, or something like that) then AST feels like the same playstyle.
As a career scholar, I do notice that some people don't mention the Oh Crap potential of Emergency Tactics for Burst healing. Using Lustrate/Indom (1 or all) right before ETac into Adlo/Succor allows you to heal huge amounts of HP rather quickly, and I usually follow up with a regular Adlo/Succor to top off HP and put barriers back up. and ETac is also a rather short cooldown too, only 15 seconds, so you can use it fairly often if needed, and it doesn't provide any additional resource cost besides an extra click/button.
For me sch has too many buttons for niche things I do still love it, and after the factory reset resetting my HUD hotbars I actually have it and Astro quite organized now.
As a newbie healer (literally picked the game when Free trial became available) I'm a very, very nervous Scholar. Especially during wall to wall pulls. Though for the most part (Barely level 52, not started Heavensward) I just settle for the Sacred Soil whenever it's off Cooldown while using rest of my kit as needed... Probably not the best Healer out there but then again the class was with me since the start
Scholar starts put easy, gets a little rough in the area you’re in, and then gets easy again. Hang in there! Eventually you’ll get the cool abilities like Excog, deployment tactics, and recitation. Then at 80 when you get Seraph, it’s smooth sailing until 90. Also, when Soil is down, use Fey Illumination for another mitigation tool. You can throw whispering dawn on top of it to take advantage of the extra healing
You want nerves, try wall to wall in tam tara, only hard cast heals and only tank has aoe which they don't use during pull. Then get called bad healer when wipe and you dont know if they sent a report.
Honestly, I always felt that Scholar was pretty great in dungeons until the end of ARR and then kind of sucked until Shadowbringers where their toolkit expanded greatly. Now, maybe it's all the time I've spent playing Scholar but I find Sage easier to play even when I get synced down in content simply because they can shield on the move and I don't scream when people don't stand in my sacred soil because their ability just snapshots onto the party when its cast.
@@tomcoleman8702 I won't reach that level for now. Free trial Sprout as I stated in my opening post. I'm stopping at tactics and I still need to work on my spatial awareness. I have serious problems keeping up with the tank as they run and let's be honest my best quick option isn't exactly that powerful.
@@harryn7518 Thanks but again. Free trial. Capped at 60 where my best spells will be GCDs considering I only get like one OGCD while both tactics play with my shields (again those are only on my GCDs)
I recommend AST because your sense of personal progression is more obvious. It's easier to tell the differences among a new AST, good AST and an expert AST. You know when you've gotten better at the class when start weaving cards in between GCDs, healing and resolving mechanics.
I agree dude, when I was new I would just pull any cards. Now I always grab the sun, the moon, and crescent moon every single time, so I can get all 3 buffs.
I'll say this, with how unpredictable players can be in roulette runs, I love whm. The number of ways you can absolutely save someone that is not paying attention (we've all done it), or just oblivious to what about to happen is outstanding. It's not as suited as ast for raiding but I also don't feel like it's a handicap either
When you were talking about SCH I'm surprised you never brought up Excog. It's my go-to ability for light party dungeons and has saved my tank's ass so many times lol
Definitely amazing ability! In EW, I’ve been leaning more towards a super fat Adlo, but nothing beats the effective ease of use Excog is! Also, how can ya not love using that beautiful scholarly animation of Excogitation and Protraction!
It’s nice when it crits but I like Taurochole better for the mitigation. And Benediction always beats out everything else when special mentions are made because what’s better than simply giving someone a reset button?
For the longest time my main healer job was White Mage. I loved the way I was able to heal so much in so short a time and even mitigate some damage and I felt like my MP never ran out. This was even better when spamming Holy during mob pulls. A real green DPS. Endwalker changed that unfortunately. Now my main healer is Sage. While harder to play I love the fact that I can heal by doing damage and to have so many barrier spells. My only gripe is that... MP can run out quite fast despite the abilities that restore some amount.
@@lartisteautravail All the healers seem to actually suffer from MP management now and that makes the balancing between healing and DPS quite hard. Yes, even Scholar even though that class uses a Fairy. Now I haven't played any of the healer jobs except Sage since Endwalker launched, but I do intend to. All of them stand at lvl 80 now. I did, however, tryout WHM and Sage on training dummies and it made me realize that I couldn't use WHM the usual way anymore. Namely it felt like I should actually save MP for healing rather than doing damage. So I dropped WHM because I believe I couldn't balance between damage and healing with WHM anymore. Make no mistake, though. The Holy spell is still one of the best spells in dungeon runs at least. Sage seems to, however, somewhat fix that problem for me. That's why I changed. It is still possible that my main healer job will change over time again, perhaps even back to WHM, but at least for now it's Sage. Also, if it wasn't obvious already, my main class is NOT a healer so I'm no expert.
Sch is honestly pretty good with MP management. Between Lucid dreaming, Aetherflow, and Fairy abilities, I find it easy to keep mana pretty high in casual content (unless I have to spam raise aha)
I have played AST, WHM, and SCH.. Your analysis of the jobs are spot on. A barrier healer and a spot healer combined are a really good duo. I started out as a WHM because that was what I played in FFXI and it was familiar. I tried SCH and I just couldn't get into it. Then came AST and it was a game changer for me. I love AST. Yes, it is a lot of clicking and management, but when you have ADD as an adult, it just works for me.
Didn't know AST was 'hard'. Just picked it up, had a blast and main it for my healer class. I am more confident with it than using WHM. Definitely will try out SCH next.
I don't view AST as hard, just a crappier WHM. :D Really, I miss the sects and that is what I enjoyed of the class. They're gone, I now don't care about the AST because the SCH is better on utility.
@@lolleonlolable Dunno, AST is just basically a hand rotation for me at this point. But, I think you get very little for the carpal tunnel you will face by playing the job, lol. This is why I don't like Gunbreaker either... It's too much work for a very slight gain. In the AST's case presently it's a lot of work for no actual gain. Most of it's buffs have been thrown to other jobs which have longer duration effects or do exactly the same thing with no need to deal with cards. It's healing output is lower that's why I view it as inferior to the WHM.
Something else for WHM: it leans into the GCD healer as it has 3 powerful buff spells. Presence of Mind speeds up your casting and is great to use after using a heal or lily to catch up on damage. Normally, WHM can struggle with MP when not using their lilies and sometimes things go south in which you don’t have any lilies or AoE healing. Thin Air works great as a way to pump out a Cure 3 or Médica 2 free of charge or getting in a Raise for free. Otherwise, use it a Glare to keep it from overcapping. The last ability, Plenary Indulgence is another great buff to your AoE healing. This causes your AoE heals to heal an additional amount. It can be used in various ways: for your AoE lily, when you use Thin Air for a Cure 3, or casting Médica 2 after a large damage. While they get a bad rap currently, WHM’s powerful healing potential can singlehandedly deal with mechanics that can sometimes take 2 healers (well, until you get to 90 and AST gains Macrocosmos). It was also one of the first healers to solo heal EW trials and can handle party-wide heal check doom mechanics on it’s own (such as TG Cid) and also the only healer that DRKs love to be with. That isn’t saying it doesn’t have its fair share of design issues, but it’s still and amazing and powerful job. (Coming from an omnihealer that prefers to SCH.)
Presence of Mind is no different from Lightspeed AST therefore i wouldn't say it has a 1 up then the other pure healing healer, they are even. The 2nd buff you mentioned was Thin Air, considering MP is bad with WHM rn I wouldnt call it a buff. Even with Thin Air WhM still struggling with MP even though that skill is suppose to alleviate the struggle. While AST dont have that, it's not like it's missing out considering it can handle MP just fine. I have no comment on Planetary, its decent. (Coming from a WhM main and all 4 80 healers, I havent gone back for EW)
@@SemekiIzuio If you want to compare ya, but it stands on its own just fine. Could it be better? Ya, absolutely. Is it unplayable? No not at all. And Lightspeed is not the same as Presence of Mind. Presence of Mind speeds up your casting and is meant as a DPS boost. Lightspeed frontloads your casting and is meant for mobility and opening weave windows for the extremely intense opening that AST has (you start with 2 draw charges, so you need to setup to have 2 charges ready, 1 card ready to play, so you can use Play 3 times while also pulling your Arcana to see if it’s the Lord card, then also play your Lord card, and also using Astrodyne for your spellspeed damage buff, alongside an ES manual detonation if needed. It’s extremely busy). You still have the 2.5 recast timer with Lightspeed so the WHM will be casting faster, the AST will not. Lightspeed is for mobility. PoM is for turreting. And a buff as in a buff that the job puts on itself. Not buff as in a mechanical change from a patch. Even though it’s a charge for one cast, it’s still a buff. What it lost in power in its ShB iteration, it gained in flexibility. Which, is a moot point when you’re optimizing because the only thing it’ll be used on is Glare or Dia anyway. And the only issues WHMs have with MP is when they DON’T use their lilies. This is an issue in optimization as your lilies don’t need to be used as often because of how easily the party handles mechanics and therefore offers nothing other than delaying damage for MP gain. When a WHM is actively using lilies on top of Thin Air, they’re doing fine MP wise. Case in point: my WHM co-healer never has issues with MP in EW EX trials or Pandemonium Savage. I’ve watched and it’s not an issue at all. The only people I’ve seen complaining are the ones who are trying to optimize and found that you need piety to optimize damage…which is already an unoptimal approach so they have issues with it. I’ve run WHM in EX and it handles MP perfectly fine even when the other healer is pretty much AFK dead. And if you want to play AST, play AST. But AST is fAST and not everyone likes playing it. Someone playing a healer they like and do well on will get you further in prog than a healer doing something they’re not comfortable with. AST is VERY strong. But you’re not screwed if you bring a player who knows how to WHM. Edit: irrelevant as of 6.1. WHM is frigging awesome now!
WHM as it is now is pretty good imo. The only thing I’ll change is the lower level experience which is horrible on WHM to the point where I dread Leveling Roulette. In endgame content WHM is the way to blind prog and not give a damn about mechanics
I boosted an AST as my first ever character in FF14, entirely because of this video. So logically, you're now responsible for every time my raid dies. Great video
This was really indepth thank you! I'm a WHM main I haven't really dabbled in the others so it was cool to see the good overview. I love playing WHM and love casting those big juicy heals.
For once, I can appreciate someone's take on Whitemage. So many hate on it due to "lillies are useless and a DPS loss". Yet when I was leveling through the story, you could not find me happier then the day I finally reached Heavensward and finally unlocked the use of said Lillies. Their true power comes from their equal potency to regular GCD heals at no MP cost. This was so liberating after healing through all of ARR without them. And yes, the blood lilly is purely to compensate for the need to heal at times and not meant to be used if no healing was done.
WHM has to use the lily to avoid OOMing, that's what they're for. For the price of having to actually worry about mana you have the highest single target and burst healing. I"ll take the trade, lol.
...No Sage has the highest single target DPS of all the healers and it's not even close. The lack of oGCDs means WHM DPS suffers and Thin Air got completely neuteured. Holybell and Aquaveil aren't even good in a raid setting either. They actually ban WHM on the JP servers because of how fucking bad it is in raid. Why would you EVER run WHM over AST in raid?
@@CrowYaeger With how Yoshi-p called out Japanese players for being toxic to the devs, are you really surprised they'd be so elitist as to ban a class? That doesn't change the fact that both AST and WHM toolkits lose overall DPS as soon as heavy burst healing is required. That Sage and even SCH have higher rDPS isn't surprising since their toolkits are tailored for sustain HoT (Did you not listen to the video? He breaks it down very thoroughly) Every class is able to clear all content no matter what. If you listen to what the dummy DPS andies say alone obviously WHM would be banned from all content, yet parties with WHM are still able to clear everything fine.
@@CrowYaeger The numbers don't matter that much, that's why... When I play WHM I'm barely casting any heals just popping oGCD and instants. Certainly, Thin Air is nerfed, but it was nerfed because most of the time WHM doesn't even expend mana. I think the Thin Air hurts mostly at low level before you have the no-mana healing and rely on Cure II for the heavy lifting. Once you have enough varieties of cooldown heals and lily use heals there is really no reason to use Cure. This is true as soon as the WHM reaches 60... The problem with AST is that other jobs provide the same buffs it does (even better actually). So, if you were making your ideal raid you wouldn't bring this class because its buffs are stomped on by someone with a better/longer duration buff. So then we are left with raw healing outputs and WHM is better on that. Remember Holy is a heal when there are stunnable mobs, and no other healer has it. The difference is that the WHM is not depended on cooldown heals to heal, whereas the AST is. This makes the AST more difficult to use for no reason, and you trade away the best heal in the game... Which is Holy, lol. (Damage never done does not need to be healed, lol) The reality is few of us are playing in these raid nerd scenarios and then it comes down to the enjoyment of the class. I play all the healers and I find the WHM and SCH are far more enjoyable than SGE and AST. Mind you, I am a healer main... I play all of these. It is nothing for me to just swap to whatever I want. Just to add, I really do like SGE just as not a healer... More of a healer to use when you don't need much healing and you just want to stick the damage. WHM makes acceptable damage as well, but it's just not the priority when you play WHM you're more heal bot focuses in that job, and it's fine that's what you want when you play it, lol.
@@CrowYaeger Are they really? If it's speedruns, sure. But normal pf? If people cleared with WHM on week1, there's no reason to ban them other than p3s bcoz AST macrocosmos is just broken for that fight.
looking to level a healer i picked up WHM and leveled it up in a month. had so much fun with it and then decided to go to astro, not knowing all the weaving necessary and man... what a change. astro has definitely been one of the most difficult jobs (personally) because it can feel so overwhelming and busy; especially coming from whm! enjoying it a lot but its definitely a huge learnign curve
I was going to try out AST but when the npc was like "the stars foretold you would arrive this day to begin your training" I went "oh actually I'm just passing through" because his reaction to his prophecy being wrong was so funny. I totally forgot about the job as I kept going through msq up to Stormblood lol. I'll probably go back to try it eventually, but I'm having a lot of fun with WHM and Sage.
Despite being simple and obviously somewhat obnoxious, I LOVE Holy for trash pulls. Like you said the interrupt to ground AOE is something people forget about, in addition to the stun!
I don’t know why, but I always feel like anxious or jealous or something whenever I see another White Mage It’s probably because I’m like Yoshi-P and Black Mage where he wants to be the best but instead it’s me and White Mage xD
It's important to note, sage is new which is why it's so popular. Every healer does very well and is played relatively the same amount by the community. This is healthy
I started Endwalker with Sage and played all the new content and savage fights with this job, and I absolutely love it. I mained Astrologian in all of Shadowbringers, so I basically had to re-learn the job after playing Sage for so long. One thing I wish they would change about Astrologian is turning Minor Arcana and Crown play into the same button. AST has quite a lot of buttons to press in a short amount of time to maximize damage, and it is quite different than it was before!
I LOVE SCH it's just the one I'm most comfortable with and something that I instantly clicked with , don't like WHM at all, AST too fiddly, not tried SGE as of yet I may give it a go here soon.
Been playing since 2013, started on PS3. One day in 2020 I said to myself _"I want fairies"_ and I've never been more comfortable on a job than I am with SCH. Fairies were the only reason why I decided to pick the job up.
@@arxeha I struggled with SGE as well for a bit, but after watching this video by Momo it really clicked for me. Hopefully it might help you as much as it helped me! ua-cam.com/video/UPjdwUgwncI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=FFXIVMomo
It takes a hot minute to get used to, but once it clicks it’s amazing. By the time you’re at level 90 you can go through W2W pulls and have the tank take next to no damage. It’s my go to barrier healer now
I Scholar main and I *LOVE* it. I almost can't Astrologian or White Mage cause Ive gotten so used to 1> Galvanize and 2> The Faeries. I do need to work on that - White Mages get a UNICORN MOUNT for free (via a quest) at level 30, which is amazing and Im super-envious of that :( I would love to have a mount for my Scholar thats like... a giant grimoire they surfboard around on, or something
To any seriously future people remember this, there is no pressure, you can play multiple classes, enjoy the game as you see fit, please just choose the healer that appeals to “You” and have fun, I play WHM, and I don’t regret it, I also play SGE, but more rarely as I am used to WHM, it is just a fun healer to use and can clear all the content in the game, besides if people think it is too weak we can just ask for it to get super buffed, maybe add 7 lilies and more thin air x33, can anybody else think of some fun “totally balanced” Buffs?
My friend who has played this game a TON loves Scholar. I'll be starting soon and cannot wait to start playing a White Mage. I always get anxious playing healers and tanks so very rarely play them, but am looking forward to getting started! Sorry meant to say Glaremage.
easy guide : white to chill (HoTs and instant heals) scholar to stress (shields are ok not great and heals are bad) Astro none of the above and cards became boring long ago (remake in 2024 for a reason) Sage does what white mage does in a slightly less good way but also does what scholar does in a much better way
I am a healer and tank main myself. Pretty much exclusivly play them. I think the good thing about healers in this game is that they are all good and genuinely great options for you to play. Honestly, there is no true "best healer". With that being said my personal favorite is Sage because it just feels so good to play. It is rewarding, it is a new and funky playstyle compared to the others, it has a cool theme and just feels like a really great and awesome breath of fresh air to the game, and role of healer.
Well Numbers say that AST is the "best" healer currently. But then again.. a well played WHM will always beat a mediocre played AST so.. it doesnt matter wich healer you play as long as you play it well :D Sage is fun, WHM is fun, AST is fun and Scholar is fun. And all are viable
I would like to add that the slow stabilizing regen heals are on all 4 healers. Shieldhealer vs Pure Healer is more a matter of healing recieved damage vs mitigating damage in the first place. Also both Sage aswell as Scholar should not be underestimated in terms of raw healing potential. While Whitemage and Astro have more that doesnt mean u should just shield and mitigate as a Shieldhealer. Ur contribution to raw healing is equally important. For example if a Tank recieves 80k damage after a Tankbuster a raw healer can heal 60k while the shield healer heals 20k. A lot less but still important. In the end both variants are HEALERS. Recit+Excog from Scholar or Zoe+Pneuma from Sage are incredible at burst healing shit tons of HP.
One thing I really want to see changed (more accurately, fixed) for SCH is the pet jank. If you're in a kiting situation, most of your faerie abilities will miss if executed because they can't keep up with sprinting players. None of the other healers have this problem. If the pet is set to Heel, they need to stay completely glued to their owner, including when they're under sprint or other mobility buffs. I also think they should maneuver faster when the Place command is used on them.
I'm playing healer in almost every game where this is possible and I started with FF14 playing as White Mage and it's till today my favourite job of all and my go to healer. It's toolkit might look simple but it's a lot of fun to play with and actually a lot of stuff to optimize due to the overworked and added OGCDs with endwalker. It's almost not possible to run out of MP when utilizing the new Thin Air well. You can keep up the tank in Dungeons with only your OGCDs and spam the saved lilys while having donwtime, so you got 4 Blood Lilys for every single Wall to Wall Pull after the first boss for a HUGE damage burst in combination with Assize and no damage loss whatsoever. And your big nuke heals makes it even possible and pretty comfortable to solo heal some savage content as an extra challenge, so you can have also have an extra DPS in the group :D White Mage is simply love
Returned to ffxiv after years. While excited to grind through the newer expansions, I was always a healer. I hope I find Sage fun. As of right now, it looks like Scholars second fiddle. Astro has so many unique mechanics it seems fine to have a second fiddle to wm with a huge sifference in play style and fashion.
Never been a good healer in any game I've played but everyone says healing is very different in this game so been leveling WHM since everyone says it's the most straight forward healer there is
@@dragonhearthx8369 I wasn't good at WHM tbh. The only healer that clicked with me was AST despite ppl saying AST is probably the hardest it was the easiest for me
@@Voltage256 yeah that's the nature of these jobs. Most say that it is difficult but there are a select few that just instantly pick up on it. And the reverse is also true. Dragoon and samurai are supposed to be easy jobs but I have difficulty with them.
@@dragonhearthx8369 I struggle with Dragoon to but tbh I don't do well with Melee classes in general in any game. My main DPS go to is SMN and Machinist.
absolutly loving the SGE after maining the AST for a while , and suprisingly we (my savage roster) found that SGE and SCH work amazingly well together even in savage , the amount of mitigation you have is great , you have almost no need to worry about your tanks even considering the massive dots they get in this savage tier thank to the Kardia and the fairy , and the damage consistancy of this two job makes it very great when it comes to the team s rdps. if you never tried this comp please do , that s lot of fun ^^
I switched from DRG to AST main, zero regrets. I've gotten so much more confidence in game from it, I learned to not blame myself for being one working part of a cohesive whole, while also getting the accomplishment of being a vital part of fixing or helping things go smoothly. Plus cards, tons of panic buttons and big slow heals and party buffs
One note about the rdps difference in sage vs sch... You wont see that difference in 99% of groups you play in. Sch's raid buff, chain stratagem, puts it ahead in rdps assuming that your group is able capitalize on it properly. It's also assuming that your raw damage is at maximum by using the majority of sch's aether stacks on energy drain instead of heals. Sage will out preform sch's rdps in almost every group outside of highly optimized parse runs. Both Sages healing and damage is free compared to sch.
Could you possibly expand on what you mean by "I've seen a lot of WHM players become lazy with how they play"? I enjoy WHM and I'm only at level 70 and I feel like I'm probably going to become lazy if I haven't already.
I think he’s pointing out the Glare Mage side there, where WHM forget they have to actually heal and not just spam Holy and Glare in dungeons. The other healers don’t have access to a reliable aoe stun spell to use as strong damage mitigation and so are needing to use their healing abilities more. It’s a minority of players for sure, as long as one remembers that keeping the party alive > one more Holy cast, it’s all good.
I am a sage main and I went all the way I could doing white mage to unlock sage. I loved playing white mage but was disappointed in the damage abilities which was the appeal of sage healing while dpsing on top of heals. This not only made dungeons and raids more fun but also soloing as I could heal myself just by attacking
SCH are by far the worst healers in the game I met. And reason is not because the job is bad (job is great), but because most of SCH players only leveled SMN and they swap to SCH just for shorter queues... and they think and hope that fairy will do all the healing. Whenever I am tanking any dungeon and got SCH as healer, I am always nervous and slow with the pull until I can see that he can actually heal.
was looking for a endwalker healer breakdown like this, thanks. I still dunno if i like whm or sch better. probably go with sch. being able to move while spamming art of war feels good. it is sad that they took away dots and cleric stance and stuff, but i do like the simplicity.
Astro is my healer of choice purely cause I wanted to make my healer look like a con artist and the cards enhanced that. But after learning the class I have a ton of fun playing it.
As a player that’s leveled up and plays every healer class If anything, I’d say that Sage is more of a challenging healer job than anything else since out of all of them it has the weakest of healing potential it’s a class that you have to be very active with in order to stay on top of damage mitigation and healing. It’s not for lazy healers because if you are then you’re gonna wipe a lot more often than with astrologian or with any of the other two healing classes.
Aetherflow points do eventually expire but its longer than a minute; I usually hit Aetherflow during the first combat of a dungeon, and in lower-levle instances often go the entire instance without needing to use it, and they'll still be there at the end; only disappearing once I leave the instance. Faerie Gauge points may expire more quickly, I hadnt really noticed
The problem is not that the points expire but that the ability you use to generate them in on a 1 minute cooldown, so any stacks not used by then are overwritten
I would like to know how you manage to have the enemy's cast bar in the middle of the screen *while not targeting the enemy,* like at 3:33. I know how to disconnect the target's cast bar from the hp bar and all that, but I can't make it so that I can target something else and still have their cast bar display. That seems like a good thing to be able to do as a healer.
Currently I'm just about to get into ishgard, and I've mostly played as white mage. I'm thinking of changing to scholar though, partially because I dont wanna be a dps for duty wait times, and I don't do well as a tank. This video reminded me that scholar also helps get a dps, so I think I'm gonna do that.
My healer journey started after I already had a max level tank and ranged dps, it was just wanting to fill the role slots if it was ever needed. That said, I tried WHM and never made it past level 32. Didn't hate it, but just felt bland (Given, like all other jobs, it only gets better the higher level). I haven't tried SCH out yet, and I've maybe healed one or two dungeons as SGE to try it out... But why would I do that when the best healing job is AST? Nothing feels better than weaving a layer of timed aoe heals while keeping up damage and tossing cards around your team, at least from a healer standpoint. Earthly Star is beautiful, we grant a party damage buff - not counting cards, have a few minor shields and *layers* of regen spells to bandaid other's oopsies. The job is too damn fun and looks even better.
lovely video, very informative. ive maxed all the healers and my personal ranking for each would go sge > sch > whm > ast. before id put ast above whm but personally i didnt vibe with the changes they made to the cards. also i feel its worth mentioning whm can feel a bit sad to play until 60 when you get lily heals/assize, as before then the best "healing" you can do is spamming holy and hope the stuns last long enough for things to die in wall pulls
Started with a white mage and I love it, you can heal a lot in group and you can do a lot of damage y solo activities. Just started with Heavensward and with the new spells I think Il keep going with white mage
Most guides describe whm as the easy healer but i gotts be honest its the healer job i sweat with the most in 90 content. AST feels like easy mode amd SCH is fine unless an emergency happens that i fail to contain and then panic mode sets in lol. Last night i accidentally ate my fairy when i instesd was wanting to use Fey Blessing. I was so confused as to why i couldnt use any fairy abilities lol
I'd like to have high level healer class but I am straight ass cheeks when it comes to remembering rotations and panic. Used a level up book instead :/
What each Healer says about you: White Mage: basic and uncomplicated. Scholar: nerd. Astrologian: you either play too much Yu-Gi-Oh or you actually buy into it when hippie chicks say Mercury is in Gatorade or whatever. Sage: you identify as an X-Wing starfighter.
Astro's wide regen kit with a dash of barriers is a lot more useful and if used right can put out insane regen healing with a coat of barrier that can allow an astro player to take time to focus on DPS and setting up the next round of heals, you also forgot to mention the lady and lord of crowns cards which can contribute to either dps or healing Lord of crowns does damage to all enemies while lady of crowns is a party wide heal
Hey, I just discovered your channel and since I started playing a month ago, it's really helpful you have no idea ! I leveled up (between others) white mage but man is it boring... I know level 50 is far from being the final gameplay, but still. I'm really intriguied by astrologian and your video further convinced me, thanks ! I was wondering, are you considering doing a video with this format on DPS ? Even if I have a vague idea of each job I really would like to hear your thoughts on them, since I can't settle on yet
I just want to say for anyone else watching this because you're looking to pick up a new healer, be patient with yourself!! Even if you've played another healer before, not all of your knowledge will carry over 1:1. I'm a former WHM main trying to learn AST and there's a pretty big difference in complexity as well as learning the new healing cadences. You'll get there! Practice your rotations, watch POV videos of other healers around your level or better, and don't be afraid to watch more videos like these to see what makes the most sense for you. I might have to try out SCH! :)
WHM and AST are very similar at a basic level: Benefic I/II = Cure I/II Helios/Aspected Helios = Medica I/II Essential Dignity = Tetragammatron (but ED is way better) Aspected Benefic = Regen Celestial Intersection = Divine Benison You can put all these abilities on the same keybinds for both healers and you won't have to learn anything new. The following are kinda sorta similar but different. Earthly Star = Assize Celestial Opposition = Asylum Collective Unconscious = Temperance Of course, the card system is unique to AST, but you only interact with it every 30 seconds or so. Once you figure out the corresponding abilities between jobs, map your keybinds accordingly and you'll have a much easier time learning :)
Assuming you have good gear, you probably don't need to worry about your piety stat. At least in most cases from my understanding. I think typically crit is priority followed by either direct hit or determination. Best in slot will change this slightly, though. So keep in mind that this is only a general rule. And spell speed is mostly a comfort stat than anything else
The usual progression of focus is as follow : Det + Piety at start. Then convert Piety to crit has you get more confident in your MP management. Det is a good base stat it help having a flat regular gain in performances where crit is more random... if you luckout at the bad time you struggle to heal someone. Spell speed in third to help with regen ticks but not much... most of heals cast are 1.5s for 2.5GCD... While levveling up Gear sets have balanced stats that do the work so don't go to hard on yourself ^^
New player. I liked trying out scholar for the first time to be able to do the healing for once, but the best part was how quick queue times are where I can get queued in less than a half a minute. Any tips for being able to switch from targeting a boss to targeting a party member for healing? I've just been tabbing to the boss and then clicking the party members name on the party list.
You can use the F1-F4 keys to target party members, although personally I just made a separate HUD layout for healers that moves the party list closer to the center of the screen so it's faster to click on the names. You can you also set the boss as a special target (Shift+F? Maybe? It'll be in the keybind options) so you can keep track of its HP and cast bar.
I really love AST and want to get better at it (I'm working on the gumball/HW relic for it), but I've been having issues with getting card muscle memory. I keep getting them mixed up, despite having it written down in front of me, lol. I'm at 83. Adding a second charge to draw for EW has confused me even more. I'm sure I'll get it eventually, but it's a very busy class with an overwhelming amount of things to learn. I hope I'm up to the challenge. Outside of that, I have WHM to 90 ( I love it), SGE to 82 (super fun), and SCH at 90 (because of SMN). I think all the healers are pretty fun, but I'd definitely recommend WHM to beginners. WHM can be a little rough sub 50 though. On the plus side, you can unlock a unicorn mount at CNJ lvl 30. I also think WHM and SGE are really fun in PVP, though I'm far from mastering either. Thanks for this video, it's given me a lot to think about in regards to what healer I'll main.
187 comments, almost dont wanna ruin it but I have to say this is the best info ive gotten in the least amount of time and also contained exactly whast i wanted to know and nothiong more. Im goin scholar then sage. Lucky me since im allready 30 arcanist :P
I Hadn't played Sage for a while. Today I decided to try Aurum Vale. Big mistake, esp when you have a sprout tank who wants to pull everything and expect to be healed through it. The lack of burst heals on Sage was a huge issue, resulting in two wipes. Of course as a level 90 Sage I was told by the sprout tank that I didn't know how to heal. Aurum Vale is esp hard because of all the debuffs that need to be cleansed (if players don't pick up the fruit) and then trying to keep everyone healed. Entiely my own fault for taking a Sage in there.
Its no surprise SGE is at the top, SGE does alot of dps as a healer and also mitigates quite well. WHM on second is good but i’d argue AST could be right there. It all depends on team synergy since AST can buff certain members’ dmg and the entire group at times.
Sage starts at 70, you have to play as a magical ranged DPS before you can pick up scholar, and (as you showed) white mage does the least DPS of the healers. I definitely think they all have benefits and drawbacks. I feel more like a healer when playing white mage than sage, but I think Scholar and Astrologian provide the best heals/party buffs of the options available. Is that DPS chart you showed including DPS provided to the party by the buffs provided? If not I think the gap is much larger - Ast and Scholar are probably the best in my opinion simply because of the additional utilities they provide. But as you said, all options are viable. Also scholar levels up arcanist too so you get 2 jobs for 1 if you're still leveling your jobs, so there's that too if you're still picking what to play as a new player. This would be my recommended class out of the 4 if you absolutely want to be a healer. Sage has been directly compared to scholar too (probably because of the shields) so if you wanted to change at 70 then you could.
I don’t understand how using Afflatus Misery is a dps loss outside presence of mind. Three GCD Glare III casts is 910 potency. Afflatus Misery is 1240 potency on a single target for the same three GCDs. Was Jolsn incorrect or am I overlooking something?
I've played FFXIV for 400 hours, with white mage as only battle job currently at level 75, and I have no idea how I'm supposed to "weave". I mean, I'm always casting, and doing a decent job of DPS-ing imo. I find it hard to believe anyone would notice if I shaved a few seconds off a boss fight due to "perfect weaving". But obviously I'm missing something since it's a thing.
the barrier provided by sage is not a dps loss coz when the barrier gets destroyed u get a stack of Toxikon (i think it's called that) to use as aoe dps
At that point you still cast a heal for 2.5 seconds. You do get a stack of Toxicon, which deals the same amount of damage as your basic Dosis, but that doesn't mean that for casting the spell you didn't lose 2.5 seconds during which you could have cast a damaging spell. The only benefit of Toxicon is that it's an instant cast, so the next time you have to move, you can cast that instead of Dosis. The only healer that can do that DPS neutral is White Mage, due to the Lillies.
Idk I am a scholar/warrior main and I personally don't really like playing whm or sge especially sge everytime I play that job something feels wrong to me, might go and try out ast tho since I haven't leveled that job so far
To the future people watching this video. The white mage portion of this video is now outdated. The blood lily potency got increased, so lilies are now dps neutral. You're encouraged to use lilies for mobility and healing
Future person here 👍
Thank you, I was worried about that.
It can actually be a slight dps gain if you time the heals outside of the raid buff window and use misery with the buff window
Thank you for the update.
Thought it might help newbies but you can also use spare lilies during down time as that's technically a dps gain. Can't remember if that was mentioned in the vid
With WHM you forgot to mention that the best time to use benediction is right before the gunbreaker hits Superbolide.
also right before living dead is proc'd, as well as on yourself when you're at 50%.
I think you mean that the best time to use Superbolide is right after the WHM hits Benediction.
The only bad experience i've had with ff14 so far was a gunbreaker who pulled pretty much every mob in the first half of the dungeon, superbolide, and then rage quit when i couldn't 0-100% twice within 4 seconds (and therefor he died). I wont lie, it gave me a bad taste in my mouth every time i see a gunbreaker tank now. Luckily, 99% of players are not at all like that and are significantly nicer.
The greatest jump in my Astro skill was buying a mouse with twelve buttons
I use it too
Just 4 hot bars is all I needed😊
@@elgatochurro i use ESDF for move, so i have more buttons xdd
@@jzrhoom ... Thats just as many buttons as WASD
3:28 Just a tip. You can press an oGCD as soon as you start casting and it will queue to go out on the target you used it *as soon as the cast ends*. No need to wait for the cast to end to press the ogcd and quickly switch targets.
You can quickly ogcd the tank and then go back to spamming the damaging button on the boss and trust that as soon as the cast ends you'll ogcd the tank and immediately start casting damages on the boss again :)
weirdly enough AST was the only healer i instantly clicked with as a beginner
I think it’s quite intuitive as someone who has played ever healer at Max level it’s Astro > sage > sch >/= whm for me
Same, My first healer was SCH (love it) which I got to 90 at the end of Stormblood so I flipped a coin on my next healer (WHM or AST) for Shadowbringers story as I want to level Sage when I get to Endwalker story. Don't like leaving all the Juicy story XP on the table by pushing through with a Max out Job.
AST has been AMAZING, love the heals and buffs I can give out, which are very mp efficient, Just hit 62 LOVE using my trap card with Earthy Star.
Same here. Outside of WHM as WHM was the first job I started with, AST clicked with me rather quickly and it became may main healer job due to the amount of tools the job has so it never gets boring, and I also enjoy the theme to it so that help.
SCH, on the other had took me a very long time to understand the kit and how to make use of all of the abilities. SGE took a bit of time too, but my time learning SCH made learning SGE much easier.
At this point, I simply play all of them as I enjoy the different playstyles of each of the healers. AST would be my favorite out of all of them though, followed closely by SCH and SGE.
Interesting. Astro was the first healer I came across. I did the first job mission and was so confused that I immediately decided to leave the whole job alone until I had done a simpler healer first. Then went back to level 1 (from an 87 dragoon halfway through Shadowbringer) and leveled white mage to finish the story. Never have made my way back to Astro...
I can see AST as being an ideal healer for you when you've played something similar in another game. If you play something that did a lot of other combos (like Demon spec warlock in WoW, or something like that) then AST feels like the same playstyle.
As a career scholar, I do notice that some people don't mention the Oh Crap potential of Emergency Tactics for Burst healing. Using Lustrate/Indom (1 or all) right before ETac into Adlo/Succor allows you to heal huge amounts of HP rather quickly, and I usually follow up with a regular Adlo/Succor to top off HP and put barriers back up. and ETac is also a rather short cooldown too, only 15 seconds, so you can use it fairly often if needed, and it doesn't provide any additional resource cost besides an extra click/button.
For me sch has too many buttons for niche things
I do still love it, and after the factory reset resetting my HUD hotbars I actually have it and Astro quite organized now.
As a newbie healer (literally picked the game when Free trial became available) I'm a very, very nervous Scholar. Especially during wall to wall pulls. Though for the most part (Barely level 52, not started Heavensward) I just settle for the Sacred Soil whenever it's off Cooldown while using rest of my kit as needed... Probably not the best Healer out there but then again the class was with me since the start
Scholar starts put easy, gets a little rough in the area you’re in, and then gets easy again. Hang in there! Eventually you’ll get the cool abilities like Excog, deployment tactics, and recitation. Then at 80 when you get Seraph, it’s smooth sailing until 90.
Also, when Soil is down, use Fey Illumination for another mitigation tool. You can throw whispering dawn on top of it to take advantage of the extra healing
You want nerves, try wall to wall in tam tara, only hard cast heals and only tank has aoe which they don't use during pull. Then get called bad healer when wipe and you dont know if they sent a report.
Honestly, I always felt that Scholar was pretty great in dungeons until the end of ARR and then kind of sucked until Shadowbringers where their toolkit expanded greatly. Now, maybe it's all the time I've spent playing Scholar but I find Sage easier to play even when I get synced down in content simply because they can shield on the move and I don't scream when people don't stand in my sacred soil because their ability just snapshots onto the party when its cast.
@@tomcoleman8702 I won't reach that level for now. Free trial Sprout as I stated in my opening post. I'm stopping at tactics and I still need to work on my spatial awareness. I have serious problems keeping up with the tank as they run and let's be honest my best quick option isn't exactly that powerful.
@@harryn7518 Thanks but again. Free trial. Capped at 60 where my best spells will be GCDs considering I only get like one OGCD while both tactics play with my shields (again those are only on my GCDs)
I recommend AST because your sense of personal progression is more obvious. It's easier to tell the differences among a new AST, good AST and an expert AST. You know when you've gotten better at the class when start weaving cards in between GCDs, healing and resolving mechanics.
I agree dude, when I was new I would just pull any cards. Now I always grab the sun, the moon, and crescent moon every single time, so I can get all 3 buffs.
@@kingrushy4533 that is actually very inefficient and a DPS loss. It's better to just aim for at least two seals. A third one is just a bonus.
@@belphegor_dev really? I never knew that, thanks for the tip
As someone who played bard ive found ast to actually feel kinda similar
I'll say this, with how unpredictable players can be in roulette runs, I love whm. The number of ways you can absolutely save someone that is not paying attention (we've all done it), or just oblivious to what about to happen is outstanding. It's not as suited as ast for raiding but I also don't feel like it's a handicap either
When you were talking about SCH I'm surprised you never brought up Excog. It's my go-to ability for light party dungeons and has saved my tank's ass so many times lol
Definitely amazing ability!
In EW, I’ve been leaning more towards a super fat Adlo, but nothing beats the effective ease of use Excog is!
Also, how can ya not love using that beautiful scholarly animation of Excogitation and Protraction!
Honestly, it's even better if the excog crits but honestly the only place where an excig won't save a tank is Doma Castle
It’s nice when it crits but I like Taurochole better for the mitigation.
And Benediction always beats out everything else when special mentions are made because what’s better than simply giving someone a reset button?
For the longest time my main healer job was White Mage. I loved the way I was able to heal so much in so short a time and even mitigate some damage and I felt like my MP never ran out. This was even better when spamming Holy during mob pulls. A real green DPS. Endwalker changed that unfortunately. Now my main healer is Sage. While harder to play I love the fact that I can heal by doing damage and to have so many barrier spells. My only gripe is that... MP can run out quite fast despite the abilities that restore some amount.
@@lartisteautravail All the healers seem to actually suffer from MP management now and that makes the balancing between healing and DPS quite hard. Yes, even Scholar even though that class uses a Fairy. Now I haven't played any of the healer jobs except Sage since Endwalker launched, but I do intend to. All of them stand at lvl 80 now. I did, however, tryout WHM and Sage on training dummies and it made me realize that I couldn't use WHM the usual way anymore. Namely it felt like I should actually save MP for healing rather than doing damage. So I dropped WHM because I believe I couldn't balance between damage and healing with WHM anymore. Make no mistake, though. The Holy spell is still one of the best spells in dungeon runs at least.
Sage seems to, however, somewhat fix that problem for me. That's why I changed. It is still possible that my main healer job will change over time again, perhaps even back to WHM, but at least for now it's Sage.
Also, if it wasn't obvious already, my main class is NOT a healer so I'm no expert.
lol i started as sage healer now im whm main
Sch is honestly pretty good with MP management. Between Lucid dreaming, Aetherflow, and Fairy abilities, I find it easy to keep mana pretty high in casual content (unless I have to spam raise aha)
I have played AST, WHM, and SCH.. Your analysis of the jobs are spot on. A barrier healer and a spot healer combined are a really good duo. I started out as a WHM because that was what I played in FFXI and it was familiar. I tried SCH and I just couldn't get into it. Then came AST and it was a game changer for me. I love AST. Yes, it is a lot of clicking and management, but when you have ADD as an adult, it just works for me.
Didn't know AST was 'hard'. Just picked it up, had a blast and main it for my healer class. I am more confident with it than using WHM. Definitely will try out SCH next.
AST isn't hard but AST mains like to feel special for playing the healer that presses the most buttons.
@@toychristopher its for sure harder to play optimal as a ast than other healers, if u dont think so ur tripping
I don't view AST as hard, just a crappier WHM. :D Really, I miss the sects and that is what I enjoyed of the class. They're gone, I now don't care about the AST because the SCH is better on utility.
@@mindmaster064 you might not considering it as "hard" but its still "harder" than other healers to optimize for damage/heal/buffs. thats just a fact.
@@lolleonlolable Dunno, AST is just basically a hand rotation for me at this point. But, I think you get very little for the carpal tunnel you will face by playing the job, lol. This is why I don't like Gunbreaker either... It's too much work for a very slight gain. In the AST's case presently it's a lot of work for no actual gain. Most of it's buffs have been thrown to other jobs which have longer duration effects or do exactly the same thing with no need to deal with cards. It's healing output is lower that's why I view it as inferior to the WHM.
I love scholar. Always did. The duality with summoner was even a reason to lvl my first alt in HW on my friends server.
Something else for WHM: it leans into the GCD healer as it has 3 powerful buff spells. Presence of Mind speeds up your casting and is great to use after using a heal or lily to catch up on damage. Normally, WHM can struggle with MP when not using their lilies and sometimes things go south in which you don’t have any lilies or AoE healing. Thin Air works great as a way to pump out a Cure 3 or Médica 2 free of charge or getting in a Raise for free. Otherwise, use it a Glare to keep it from overcapping.
The last ability, Plenary Indulgence is another great buff to your AoE healing. This causes your AoE heals to heal an additional amount. It can be used in various ways: for your AoE lily, when you use Thin Air for a Cure 3, or casting Médica 2 after a large damage.
While they get a bad rap currently, WHM’s powerful healing potential can singlehandedly deal with mechanics that can sometimes take 2 healers (well, until you get to 90 and AST gains Macrocosmos).
It was also one of the first healers to solo heal EW trials and can handle party-wide heal check doom mechanics on it’s own (such as TG Cid) and also the only healer that DRKs love to be with.
That isn’t saying it doesn’t have its fair share of design issues, but it’s still and amazing and powerful job.
(Coming from an omnihealer that prefers to SCH.)
Presence of Mind is no different from Lightspeed AST therefore i wouldn't say it has a 1 up then the other pure healing healer, they are even. The 2nd buff you mentioned was Thin Air, considering MP is bad with WHM rn I wouldnt call it a buff. Even with Thin Air WhM still struggling with MP even though that skill is suppose to alleviate the struggle. While AST dont have that, it's not like it's missing out considering it can handle MP just fine.
I have no comment on Planetary, its decent.
(Coming from a WhM main and all 4 80 healers, I havent gone back for EW)
@@SemekiIzuio If you want to compare ya, but it stands on its own just fine.
Could it be better? Ya, absolutely. Is it unplayable? No not at all.
And Lightspeed is not the same as Presence of Mind. Presence of Mind speeds up your casting and is meant as a DPS boost.
Lightspeed frontloads your casting and is meant for mobility and opening weave windows for the extremely intense opening that AST has (you start with 2 draw charges, so you need to setup to have 2 charges ready, 1 card ready to play, so you can use Play 3 times while also pulling your Arcana to see if it’s the Lord card, then also play your Lord card, and also using Astrodyne for your spellspeed damage buff, alongside an ES manual detonation if needed. It’s extremely busy).
You still have the 2.5 recast timer with Lightspeed so the WHM will be casting faster, the AST will not. Lightspeed is for mobility. PoM is for turreting.
And a buff as in a buff that the job puts on itself. Not buff as in a mechanical change from a patch. Even though it’s a charge for one cast, it’s still a buff. What it lost in power in its ShB iteration, it gained in flexibility. Which, is a moot point when you’re optimizing because the only thing it’ll be used on is Glare or Dia anyway.
And the only issues WHMs have with MP is when they DON’T use their lilies. This is an issue in optimization as your lilies don’t need to be used as often because of how easily the party handles mechanics and therefore offers nothing other than delaying damage for MP gain. When a WHM is actively using lilies on top of Thin Air, they’re doing fine MP wise.
Case in point: my WHM co-healer never has issues with MP in EW EX trials or Pandemonium Savage. I’ve watched and it’s not an issue at all. The only people I’ve seen complaining are the ones who are trying to optimize and found that you need piety to optimize damage…which is already an unoptimal approach so they have issues with it. I’ve run WHM in EX and it handles MP perfectly fine even when the other healer is pretty much AFK dead.
And if you want to play AST, play AST. But AST is fAST and not everyone likes playing it. Someone playing a healer they like and do well on will get you further in prog than a healer doing something they’re not comfortable with. AST is VERY strong. But you’re not screwed if you bring a player who knows how to WHM.
Edit: irrelevant as of 6.1. WHM is frigging awesome now!
WHM as it is now is pretty good imo.
The only thing I’ll change is the lower level experience which is horrible on WHM to the point where I dread Leveling Roulette.
In endgame content WHM is the way to blind prog and not give a damn about mechanics
I boosted an AST as my first ever character in FF14, entirely because of this video. So logically, you're now responsible for every time my raid dies.
Great video
Thank you for making a video not explicitly a tier list! This is exactly what I'm looking for to make my decision.
This was really indepth thank you! I'm a WHM main I haven't really dabbled in the others so it was cool to see the good overview. I love playing WHM and love casting those big juicy heals.
For once, I can appreciate someone's take on Whitemage. So many hate on it due to "lillies are useless and a DPS loss". Yet when I was leveling through the story, you could not find me happier then the day I finally reached Heavensward and finally unlocked the use of said Lillies. Their true power comes from their equal potency to regular GCD heals at no MP cost. This was so liberating after healing through all of ARR without them. And yes, the blood lilly is purely to compensate for the need to heal at times and not meant to be used if no healing was done.
WHM has to use the lily to avoid OOMing, that's what they're for. For the price of having to actually worry about mana you have the highest single target and burst healing. I"ll take the trade, lol.
...No
Sage has the highest single target DPS of all the healers and it's not even close. The lack of oGCDs means WHM DPS suffers and Thin Air got completely neuteured. Holybell and Aquaveil aren't even good in a raid setting either.
They actually ban WHM on the JP servers because of how fucking bad it is in raid. Why would you EVER run WHM over AST in raid?
@@CrowYaeger With how Yoshi-p called out Japanese players for being toxic to the devs, are you really surprised they'd be so elitist as to ban a class? That doesn't change the fact that both AST and WHM toolkits lose overall DPS as soon as heavy burst healing is required. That Sage and even SCH have higher rDPS isn't surprising since their toolkits are tailored for sustain HoT (Did you not listen to the video? He breaks it down very thoroughly)
Every class is able to clear all content no matter what. If you listen to what the dummy DPS andies say alone obviously WHM would be banned from all content, yet parties with WHM are still able to clear everything fine.
@@CrowYaeger The numbers don't matter that much, that's why... When I play WHM I'm barely casting any heals just popping oGCD and instants. Certainly, Thin Air is nerfed, but it was nerfed because most of the time WHM doesn't even expend mana. I think the Thin Air hurts mostly at low level before you have the no-mana healing and rely on Cure II for the heavy lifting. Once you have enough varieties of cooldown heals and lily use heals there is really no reason to use Cure. This is true as soon as the WHM reaches 60...
The problem with AST is that other jobs provide the same buffs it does (even better actually). So, if you were making your ideal raid you wouldn't bring this class because its buffs are stomped on by someone with a better/longer duration buff. So then we are left with raw healing outputs and WHM is better on that. Remember Holy is a heal when there are stunnable mobs, and no other healer has it. The difference is that the WHM is not depended on cooldown heals to heal, whereas the AST is. This makes the AST more difficult to use for no reason, and you trade away the best heal in the game... Which is Holy, lol. (Damage never done does not need to be healed, lol)
The reality is few of us are playing in these raid nerd scenarios and then it comes down to the enjoyment of the class. I play all the healers and I find the WHM and SCH are far more enjoyable than SGE and AST. Mind you, I am a healer main... I play all of these. It is nothing for me to just swap to whatever I want.
Just to add, I really do like SGE just as not a healer... More of a healer to use when you don't need much healing and you just want to stick the damage. WHM makes acceptable damage as well, but it's just not the priority when you play WHM you're more heal bot focuses in that job, and it's fine that's what you want when you play it, lol.
@@CrowYaeger Are they really? If it's speedruns, sure. But normal pf? If people cleared with WHM on week1, there's no reason to ban them other than p3s bcoz AST macrocosmos is just broken for that fight.
looking to level a healer i picked up WHM and leveled it up in a month. had so much fun with it and then decided to go to astro, not knowing all the weaving necessary and man... what a change. astro has definitely been one of the most difficult jobs (personally) because it can feel so overwhelming and busy; especially coming from whm! enjoying it a lot but its definitely a huge learnign curve
great video as always! keeping it informative and funny :) loved the meme on scholar hahah caught me off guard since i wasn't looking
Subscribed, your videos are peaceful to listen to
I was going to try out AST but when the npc was like "the stars foretold you would arrive this day to begin your training" I went "oh actually I'm just passing through" because his reaction to his prophecy being wrong was so funny. I totally forgot about the job as I kept going through msq up to Stormblood lol.
I'll probably go back to try it eventually, but I'm having a lot of fun with WHM and Sage.
Despite being simple and obviously somewhat obnoxious, I LOVE Holy for trash pulls. Like you said the interrupt to ground AOE is something people forget about, in addition to the stun!
I don’t know why, but I always feel like anxious or jealous or something whenever I see another White Mage
It’s probably because I’m like Yoshi-P and Black Mage where he wants to be the best but instead it’s me and White Mage xD
It's important to note, sage is new which is why it's so popular.
Every healer does very well and is played relatively the same amount by the community. This is healthy
I started Endwalker with Sage and played all the new content and savage fights with this job, and I absolutely love it. I mained Astrologian in all of Shadowbringers, so I basically had to re-learn the job after playing Sage for so long. One thing I wish they would change about Astrologian is turning Minor Arcana and Crown play into the same button. AST has quite a lot of buttons to press in a short amount of time to maximize damage, and it is quite different than it was before!
How do you feel about the changes now
I LOVE SCH it's just the one I'm most comfortable with and something that I instantly clicked with , don't like WHM at all, AST too fiddly, not tried SGE as of yet I may give it a go here soon.
Been playing since 2013, started on PS3. One day in 2020 I said to myself _"I want fairies"_ and I've never been more comfortable on a job than I am with SCH.
Fairies were the only reason why I decided to pick the job up.
@firstbass789 Oh I just thought they were cute.
And then I learned the class xD
Being all healer main, i somehow struggle to play as Sage eventhough I am really good with the other 3 jobs
That's what I mention in the video too, I actually think Sage is easier to learn if you've never played any healers for some reason
@@Jolsn yeah, I am definitely seeing Sage as a green DPS now😂
@@arxeha I struggled with SGE as well for a bit, but after watching this video by Momo it really clicked for me. Hopefully it might help you as much as it helped me! ua-cam.com/video/UPjdwUgwncI/v-deo.html&ab_channel=FFXIVMomo
It takes a hot minute to get used to, but once it clicks it’s amazing. By the time you’re at level 90 you can go through W2W pulls and have the tank take next to no damage. It’s my go to barrier healer now
I Scholar main and I *LOVE* it. I almost can't Astrologian or White Mage cause Ive gotten so used to 1> Galvanize and 2> The Faeries. I do need to work on that - White Mages get a UNICORN MOUNT for free (via a quest) at level 30, which is amazing and Im super-envious of that :( I would love to have a mount for my Scholar thats like... a giant grimoire they surfboard around on, or something
Or mount on Eos Selene xD
Hell Fey would be cool too like the pod to just grab you by the wrist and fly you around
To any seriously future people remember this, there is no pressure, you can play multiple classes, enjoy the game as you see fit, please just choose the healer that appeals to “You” and have fun, I play WHM, and I don’t regret it, I also play SGE, but more rarely as I am used to WHM, it is just a fun healer to use and can clear all the content in the game, besides if people think it is too weak we can just ask for it to get super buffed, maybe add 7 lilies and more thin air x33, can anybody else think of some fun “totally balanced” Buffs?
My 1st healer was a conjurer I got it to 30, never used it again. Then I picked up astr and nearly beat the entire game with it. I absolutely love it.
My friend who has played this game a TON loves Scholar. I'll be starting soon and cannot wait to start playing a White Mage. I always get anxious playing healers and tanks so very rarely play them, but am looking forward to getting started!
Sorry meant to say Glaremage.
easy guide :
white to chill (HoTs and instant heals)
scholar to stress (shields are ok not great and heals are bad)
Astro none of the above and cards became boring long ago (remake in 2024 for a reason)
Sage does what white mage does in a slightly less good way but also does what scholar does in a much better way
My first time playing healer was when I picked up Sage, it was a very big learn and curve
I am a healer and tank main myself. Pretty much exclusivly play them. I think the good thing about healers in this game is that they are all good and genuinely great options for you to play. Honestly, there is no true "best healer".
With that being said my personal favorite is Sage because it just feels so good to play. It is rewarding, it is a new and funky playstyle compared to the others, it has a cool theme and just feels like a really great and awesome breath of fresh air to the game, and role of healer.
Well Numbers say that AST is the "best" healer currently. But then again.. a well played WHM will always beat a mediocre played AST so.. it doesnt matter wich healer you play as long as you play it well :D Sage is fun, WHM is fun, AST is fun and Scholar is fun. And all are viable
I would like to add that the slow stabilizing regen heals are on all 4 healers. Shieldhealer vs Pure Healer is more a matter of healing recieved damage vs mitigating damage in the first place. Also both Sage aswell as Scholar should not be underestimated in terms of raw healing potential. While Whitemage and Astro have more that doesnt mean u should just shield and mitigate as a Shieldhealer. Ur contribution to raw healing is equally important. For example if a Tank recieves 80k damage after a Tankbuster a raw healer can heal 60k while the shield healer heals 20k. A lot less but still important. In the end both variants are HEALERS. Recit+Excog from Scholar or Zoe+Pneuma from Sage are incredible at burst healing shit tons of HP.
One thing I really want to see changed (more accurately, fixed) for SCH is the pet jank. If you're in a kiting situation, most of your faerie abilities will miss if executed because they can't keep up with sprinting players. None of the other healers have this problem.
If the pet is set to Heel, they need to stay completely glued to their owner, including when they're under sprint or other mobility buffs. I also think they should maneuver faster when the Place command is used on them.
Love your videos, thanks for the info!
I'm playing healer in almost every game where this is possible and I started with FF14 playing as White Mage and it's till today my favourite job of all and my go to healer.
It's toolkit might look simple but it's a lot of fun to play with and actually a lot of stuff to optimize due to the overworked and added OGCDs with endwalker.
It's almost not possible to run out of MP when utilizing the new Thin Air well. You can keep up the tank in Dungeons with only your OGCDs and spam the saved lilys while having donwtime, so you got 4 Blood Lilys for every single Wall to Wall Pull after the first boss for a HUGE damage burst in combination with Assize and no damage loss whatsoever.
And your big nuke heals makes it even possible and pretty comfortable to solo heal some savage content as an extra challenge, so you can have also have an extra DPS in the group :D
White Mage is simply love
SCH's speed boost isn't just speed. It's also a 10% dmg reduction on use.
Love this type of videos!! Keep it up
Returned to ffxiv after years. While excited to grind through the newer expansions, I was always a healer. I hope I find Sage fun. As of right now, it looks like Scholars second fiddle. Astro has so many unique mechanics it seems fine to have a second fiddle to wm with a huge sifference in play style and fashion.
Astrologian was my first healer job after starting as a Bard. I guess I like the fast-paced and busy jobs.
Never been a good healer in any game I've played but everyone says healing is very different in this game so been leveling WHM since everyone says it's the most straight forward healer there is
Technically yes it is. Keep regen on the tank, areo on mobs. And throw rocks constantly.
@@dragonhearthx8369 I wasn't good at WHM tbh. The only healer that clicked with me was AST despite ppl saying AST is probably the hardest it was the easiest for me
@@Voltage256 yeah that's the nature of these jobs. Most say that it is difficult but there are a select few that just instantly pick up on it. And the reverse is also true. Dragoon and samurai are supposed to be easy jobs but I have difficulty with them.
@@dragonhearthx8369 I struggle with Dragoon to but tbh I don't do well with Melee classes in general in any game. My main DPS go to is SMN and Machinist.
Why isn't WAR included in the thumbnail?
hahaha
absolutly loving the SGE after maining the AST for a while , and suprisingly we (my savage roster) found that SGE and SCH work amazingly well together even in savage , the amount of mitigation you have is great , you have almost no need to worry about your tanks even considering the massive dots they get in this savage tier thank to the Kardia and the fairy , and the damage consistancy of this two job makes it very great when it comes to the team s rdps.
if you never tried this comp please do , that s lot of fun ^^
I switched from DRG to AST main, zero regrets. I've gotten so much more confidence in game from it, I learned to not blame myself for being one working part of a cohesive whole, while also getting the accomplishment of being a vital part of fixing or helping things go smoothly. Plus cards, tons of panic buttons and big slow heals and party buffs
It's just a very fun class, I never get bored healing bc even the same content with the same people is different every pull and it's. so pretty. omg.
One note about the rdps difference in sage vs sch... You wont see that difference in 99% of groups you play in.
Sch's raid buff, chain stratagem, puts it ahead in rdps assuming that your group is able capitalize on it properly. It's also assuming that your raw damage is at maximum by using the majority of sch's aether stacks on energy drain instead of heals.
Sage will out preform sch's rdps in almost every group outside of highly optimized parse runs. Both Sages healing and damage is free compared to sch.
Could you possibly expand on what you mean by "I've seen a lot of WHM players become lazy with how they play"? I enjoy WHM and I'm only at level 70 and I feel like I'm probably going to become lazy if I haven't already.
I think he’s pointing out the Glare Mage side there, where WHM forget they have to actually heal and not just spam Holy and Glare in dungeons. The other healers don’t have access to a reliable aoe stun spell to use as strong damage mitigation and so are needing to use their healing abilities more. It’s a minority of players for sure, as long as one remembers that keeping the party alive > one more Holy cast, it’s all good.
@@jimi_jams that sounds like WHM AST that depend on SCH SGE to do all the work lol
I am a sage main and I went all the way I could doing white mage to unlock sage. I loved playing white mage but was disappointed in the damage abilities which was the appeal of sage healing while dpsing on top of heals. This not only made dungeons and raids more fun but also soloing as I could heal myself just by attacking
SCH are by far the worst healers in the game I met. And reason is not because the job is bad (job is great), but because most of SCH players only leveled SMN and they swap to SCH just for shorter queues... and they think and hope that fairy will do all the healing. Whenever I am tanking any dungeon and got SCH as healer, I am always nervous and slow with the pull until I can see that he can actually heal.
I don't care what anyone says, blood lily IS the goal. I love it when I have to heal people with lilies.
I don't care about dps, I care about BIG NUMBER
Nightmare with a controller, anyways, whats the closest class to a resto druid in wow, or sage in swtor?, thinking about Hots here.....
Probably Sage, it has a lot of party-wide hots
Sage has great mobility. I like AST because of the buffs they can give to party members and you cannot run out of mama with it.
As someone who loves healers, this was a great breakdown and I agree with the suggestions at the end :)
was looking for a endwalker healer breakdown like this, thanks. I still dunno if i like whm or sch better. probably go with sch. being able to move while spamming art of war feels good. it is sad that they took away dots and cleric stance and stuff, but i do like the simplicity.
SCH hands down you'll never change my mind
Astro is my healer of choice purely cause I wanted to make my healer look like a con artist and the cards enhanced that. But after learning the class I have a ton of fun playing it.
As someone who just started a month ago.....I really like the scholar
As a player that’s leveled up and plays every healer class If anything, I’d say that Sage is more of a challenging healer job than anything else since out of all of them it has the weakest of healing potential it’s a class that you have to be very active with in order to stay on top of damage mitigation and healing. It’s not for lazy healers because if you are then you’re gonna wipe a lot more often than with astrologian or with any of the other two healing classes.
Aetherflow points do eventually expire but its longer than a minute; I usually hit Aetherflow during the first combat of a dungeon, and in lower-levle instances often go the entire instance without needing to use it, and they'll still be there at the end; only disappearing once I leave the instance. Faerie Gauge points may expire more quickly, I hadnt really noticed
The problem is not that the points expire but that the ability you use to generate them in on a 1 minute cooldown, so any stacks not used by then are overwritten
@@Jolsn Well yes, there is that
White Mage is the best (and cutest) healer.
Me as a Scholar :
"Remember.
Remember us.
Remember that we once lived."
I would like to know how you manage to have the enemy's cast bar in the middle of the screen *while not targeting the enemy,* like at 3:33. I know how to disconnect the target's cast bar from the hp bar and all that, but I can't make it so that I can target something else and still have their cast bar display. That seems like a good thing to be able to do as a healer.
That's not the enemy cast, that's the Paladin I'm targeting casting Clemency!
But you could also use Focustarget
Currently I'm just about to get into ishgard, and I've mostly played as white mage. I'm thinking of changing to scholar though, partially because I dont wanna be a dps for duty wait times, and I don't do well as a tank. This video reminded me that scholar also helps get a dps, so I think I'm gonna do that.
"Small barrier to target" a 1000 potency shield if used back to back is bigger than any single shield the shieldhealers can apply (without a crit ofc)
My healer journey started after I already had a max level tank and ranged dps, it was just wanting to fill the role slots if it was ever needed.
That said, I tried WHM and never made it past level 32. Didn't hate it, but just felt bland (Given, like all other jobs, it only gets better the higher level).
I haven't tried SCH out yet, and I've maybe healed one or two dungeons as SGE to try it out...
But why would I do that when the best healing job is AST? Nothing feels better than weaving a layer of timed aoe heals while keeping up damage and tossing cards around your team, at least from a healer standpoint. Earthly Star is beautiful, we grant a party damage buff - not counting cards, have a few minor shields and *layers* of regen spells to bandaid other's oopsies. The job is too damn fun and looks even better.
lovely video, very informative. ive maxed all the healers and my personal ranking for each would go sge > sch > whm > ast. before id put ast above whm but personally i didnt vibe with the changes they made to the cards. also i feel its worth mentioning whm can feel a bit sad to play until 60 when you get lily heals/assize, as before then the best "healing" you can do is spamming holy and hope the stuns last long enough for things to die in wall pulls
Started with a white mage and I love it, you can heal a lot in group and you can do a lot of damage y solo activities. Just started with Heavensward and with the new spells I think Il keep going with white mage
I am playing trial and got WHM as my first healer..
Can't wait to try Scholar and get a free dps in the pack
Most guides describe whm as the easy healer but i gotts be honest its the healer job i sweat with the most in 90 content. AST feels like easy mode amd SCH is fine unless an emergency happens that i fail to contain and then panic mode sets in lol. Last night i accidentally ate my fairy when i instesd was wanting to use Fey Blessing. I was so confused as to why i couldnt use any fairy abilities lol
I'd like to have high level healer class but I am straight ass cheeks when it comes to remembering rotations and panic. Used a level up book instead :/
I started as a scholar so I will always have scholar in a special place in my heart🥰
Started the game as WHM and the second I got to Heavensward went to AST and never went back. It instantly felt like home.
What each Healer says about you:
White Mage: basic and uncomplicated.
Scholar: nerd.
Astrologian: you either play too much Yu-Gi-Oh or you actually buy into it when hippie chicks say Mercury is in Gatorade or whatever.
Sage: you identify as an X-Wing starfighter.
Astro's wide regen kit with a dash of barriers is a lot more useful and if used right can put out insane regen healing with a coat of barrier that can allow an astro player to take time to focus on DPS and setting up the next round of heals, you also forgot to mention the lady and lord of crowns cards which can contribute to either dps or healing
Lord of crowns does damage to all enemies while lady of crowns is a party wide heal
Hey, I just discovered your channel and since I started playing a month ago, it's really helpful you have no idea ! I leveled up (between others) white mage but man is it boring... I know level 50 is far from being the final gameplay, but still. I'm really intriguied by astrologian and your video further convinced me, thanks !
I was wondering, are you considering doing a video with this format on DPS ? Even if I have a vague idea of each job I really would like to hear your thoughts on them, since I can't settle on yet
desperius does
I just want to say for anyone else watching this because you're looking to pick up a new healer, be patient with yourself!! Even if you've played another healer before, not all of your knowledge will carry over 1:1.
I'm a former WHM main trying to learn AST and there's a pretty big difference in complexity as well as learning the new healing cadences.
You'll get there! Practice your rotations, watch POV videos of other healers around your level or better, and don't be afraid to watch more videos like these to see what makes the most sense for you.
I might have to try out SCH! :)
WHM and AST are very similar at a basic level:
Benefic I/II = Cure I/II
Helios/Aspected Helios = Medica I/II
Essential Dignity = Tetragammatron (but ED is way better)
Aspected Benefic = Regen
Celestial Intersection = Divine Benison
You can put all these abilities on the same keybinds for both healers and you won't have to learn anything new.
The following are kinda sorta similar but different.
Earthly Star = Assize
Celestial Opposition = Asylum
Collective Unconscious = Temperance
Of course, the card system is unique to AST, but you only interact with it every 30 seconds or so. Once you figure out the corresponding abilities between jobs, map your keybinds accordingly and you'll have a much easier time learning :)
I'm pretty new to healing in ff14. What stats are most important? Piety of course but should I be stacking another? Crit, spell speed?
Assuming you have good gear, you probably don't need to worry about your piety stat. At least in most cases from my understanding. I think typically crit is priority followed by either direct hit or determination. Best in slot will change this slightly, though. So keep in mind that this is only a general rule. And spell speed is mostly a comfort stat than anything else
The usual progression of focus is as follow : Det + Piety at start. Then convert Piety to crit has you get more confident in your MP management. Det is a good base stat it help having a flat regular gain in performances where crit is more random... if you luckout at the bad time you struggle to heal someone.
Spell speed in third to help with regen ticks but not much... most of heals cast are 1.5s for 2.5GCD...
While levveling up Gear sets have balanced stats that do the work so don't go to hard on yourself ^^
Piety? Um I rather use Spell speed or direct hit/crit
Does race matters? I mean.. I wanna play as healer for sure but I can't understand if all of those race combos matter!
They don't, play anything you like!
what is the background music?
What's the easiest Healer for controller. I've been wanting to use a healer class but scared I might screw up big time in a dungeon.
Would love to see videos about meele + ranged + caster dps! :O
New player. I liked trying out scholar for the first time to be able to do the healing for once, but the best part was how quick queue times are where I can get queued in less than a half a minute. Any tips for being able to switch from targeting a boss to targeting a party member for healing? I've just been tabbing to the boss and then clicking the party members name on the party list.
You can use the F1-F4 keys to target party members, although personally I just made a separate HUD layout for healers that moves the party list closer to the center of the screen so it's faster to click on the names. You can you also set the boss as a special target (Shift+F? Maybe? It'll be in the keybind options) so you can keep track of its HP and cast bar.
I really love AST and want to get better at it (I'm working on the gumball/HW relic for it), but I've been having issues with getting card muscle memory. I keep getting them mixed up, despite having it written down in front of me, lol. I'm at 83. Adding a second charge to draw for EW has confused me even more. I'm sure I'll get it eventually, but it's a very busy class with an overwhelming amount of things to learn. I hope I'm up to the challenge.
Outside of that, I have WHM to 90 ( I love it), SGE to 82 (super fun), and SCH at 90 (because of SMN). I think all the healers are pretty fun, but I'd definitely recommend WHM to beginners. WHM can be a little rough sub 50 though. On the plus side, you can unlock a unicorn mount at CNJ lvl 30. I also think WHM and SGE are really fun in PVP, though I'm far from mastering either.
Thanks for this video, it's given me a lot to think about in regards to what healer I'll main.
187 comments, almost dont wanna ruin it but I have to say this is the best info ive gotten in the least amount of time and also contained exactly whast i wanted to know and nothiong more. Im goin scholar then sage. Lucky me since im allready 30 arcanist :P
what is the music in the background? i love it.
also love the video too
hey did you find the music or nah lol
In Blood Whetting we Trust 😎
I really wanna try sage but am weirdly terrified of playing healer for the first time.
I Hadn't played Sage for a while. Today I decided to try Aurum Vale. Big mistake, esp when you have a sprout tank who wants to pull everything and expect to be healed through it. The lack of burst heals on Sage was a huge issue, resulting in two wipes. Of course as a level 90 Sage I was told by the sprout tank that I didn't know how to heal.
Aurum Vale is esp hard because of all the debuffs that need to be cleansed (if players don't pick up the fruit) and then trying to keep everyone healed. Entiely my own fault for taking a Sage in there.
I’m new to the game but everything I’ve read online says the content is designed for wall to wall pulls.
Sage tends to be the hardest healer to play if your tank is bad/new to tanking.
Its no surprise SGE is at the top, SGE does alot of dps as a healer and also mitigates quite well. WHM on second is good but i’d argue AST could be right there. It all depends on team synergy since AST can buff certain members’ dmg and the entire group at times.
So you have to deal damage as Healer in FF14? What if watching the HP Bars is already more then enough work for you?
Sage starts at 70, you have to play as a magical ranged DPS before you can pick up scholar, and (as you showed) white mage does the least DPS of the healers. I definitely think they all have benefits and drawbacks. I feel more like a healer when playing white mage than sage, but I think Scholar and Astrologian provide the best heals/party buffs of the options available. Is that DPS chart you showed including DPS provided to the party by the buffs provided? If not I think the gap is much larger - Ast and Scholar are probably the best in my opinion simply because of the additional utilities they provide. But as you said, all options are viable.
Also scholar levels up arcanist too so you get 2 jobs for 1 if you're still leveling your jobs, so there's that too if you're still picking what to play as a new player. This would be my recommended class out of the 4 if you absolutely want to be a healer. Sage has been directly compared to scholar too (probably because of the shields) so if you wanted to change at 70 then you could.
I don’t understand how using Afflatus Misery is a dps loss outside presence of mind. Three GCD Glare III casts is 910 potency. Afflatus Misery is 1240 potency on a single target for the same three GCDs. Was Jolsn incorrect or am I overlooking something?
The potencies got changed after this video was released, making the ability DPS neutral now
I've played FFXIV for 400 hours, with white mage as only battle job currently at level 75, and I have no idea how I'm supposed to "weave". I mean, I'm always casting, and doing a decent job of DPS-ing imo. I find it hard to believe anyone would notice if I shaved a few seconds off a boss fight due to "perfect weaving". But obviously I'm missing something since it's a thing.
Sage is good and I like this healer, but sadly I don't have Endwalker
the barrier provided by sage is not a dps loss coz when the barrier gets destroyed u get a stack of Toxikon (i think it's called that) to use as aoe dps
At that point you still cast a heal for 2.5 seconds. You do get a stack of Toxicon, which deals the same amount of damage as your basic Dosis, but that doesn't mean that for casting the spell you didn't lose 2.5 seconds during which you could have cast a damaging spell. The only benefit of Toxicon is that it's an instant cast, so the next time you have to move, you can cast that instead of Dosis. The only healer that can do that DPS neutral is White Mage, due to the Lillies.
Idk I am a scholar/warrior main and I personally don't really like playing whm or sge especially sge everytime I play that job something feels wrong to me, might go and try out ast tho since I haven't leveled that job so far