The reason retro games don't hold your attention anymore
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Are retro games less engaging than they used to be? Or are we failing to create an environment in which they can shine?
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The original video title may have overreached by including the experience of playing a game as part of the broader topic of Game Preservation. It wasn't our intent to insult emulator developers or enthusiasts; emulators are the future of retro gaming and those folks are doing great and necessary work. We just thought it was interesting that we experience a fundamentally different vibe when there's hundreds of games at our fingertips and wanted to start a conversation about ways we could potentially minimize that difference, and sometimes it's hard to compress a complex thought into a marketable video title. We messed it up this time.
We're sorry if we upset anyone. That's really not what we're going for. This is a puppet show, not a vehicle for stirring up controversy for views, and we want everyone to have a good time. Hopefully the new title better represents what we were trying to say.
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Well, that sucks. The "stop having different opinions" brigade strikes and you fold like a house of cards.
A pity. You had some good points about how laymen engage with emulators that are diluted now.
The games aren't different because of how you load them. They're different because you're thirty years older and not staying up late in the basement of your childhood home stuffed with pizza and high on Mountain Dew. They're different because you now view them in the context of their time, and see the seams of a game limited by old technology instead of the wonders of a game pushing the limits of new technology. They're different because you can instantly get a walk-through from your couch, instead of going to Egghead or EB Games or Gamestop or even Walden Books.
The games haven't changed. You have.
This is true of so many things. How often do you hear older folks reminisce about the "good old days" completely unaware that today is the "good old days" that a child right now will reminisce about in their future.
This is very much a personal problem, particularly with impulse control.
All I needed to get sucked right back into Ocarina for hours just a few months ago despite having a bunch of games I could load up in Dolphin was a GameCube controller and the itch to play it - specifically the version I played as a kid on the OoT/MQ bonus disc. And I've had just as engrossing and enjoyable an experience at 29 playing it in 4K with the same controller as I had at 9 playing it on a tube TV over composite cables. It put me right back there, and the only difference was having the ability to have a video playing in the background on the same device that I was free to alt-tab to and pause or change with the bluetooth keyboard in my lap if I wanted.
I'd say that not only was the game and my experience with it preserved pretty well, but it was enhanced with the quality of life improvements of modern technology, between a clearer image and having that game accessible directly from my computer where I do everything else, while sitting comfortably in front of a vastly better TV than I had back when I used my actual GameCube. So the emulator did its job flawlessly.
The "problema" can be solved, put ALL The ROMs on an external hard drive, and transfer tô The PC only The selected ROMs
I don't know how you guys only have 2k subs. This is quality content. I hope you guys make more.
you just need to keep all of your ROMs individually on separate flash drives
I knew I should have hoarded those 8 megabyte flash drives in 2002 when I had the chance!
Thats what I was thinking! How is it the emulators fault if he could just go out of his way to make it more tedious himself?
I actually have the opposite problem. I get games and never play them because I just keep replaying the ones I already played. I haven't played well over half of my Steam collection. I just keep playing LEGO City Undercover. All those Mega Pegasus games in the classics collection go unplayed. Ducktales Remastered still looks sadly at its zero time gameplay. Aperture Desk Job? I did you dirty, you sit there installed but never got to spread your wings. Meanwhile LEGO City Undercover is fat and happy with its 100% achievement status and 800 hours of play time.
it seems like you just really like lego city undercover. coould try speedrunning it or creating some dumb challenge.
btw aperture desk job is like an hour long, you should just open it and play it until you get bored. you most probably will just finish it
I think that's partially still the problem of it all being digital. See when you buy a digital game, it can sit inside your stream library and it doesnt really seem like youre missing anything because there's nothing tangible there. If its sitting on a shelf you might see it and be like "oh yeah that game, maybe I want to play that instead of LEGO City today"
I guess the best way to do that would be to put shortcuts to the steam games you want to play THE MOST in a folder, and go to that folder to play games, instead of the steam library that will put lego city on the top because its what you just played.
I mean... Aperture desk job is only like 20 mins start to finish. Just get it out of the way sometime and clear it off...
@@Yipper64 Nope. I have physical copies and still have the same problem: Which game will I play today or right now?
@@sdcazares1980 Ok so that's when you leave the one you want to play in the console, so there's no resistance. Then when you finish playing that game, you pick the next one.
Thumbnail sucks and is highly subjective. Gonna be honest, I got a pc specifically for emulation and I haven't been disappointed. I've played through a lot of games that way that I wouldn't have otherwise and for some game series', piracy+ emulation is kinda the only viable way to enjoy a lot of the good titles for a reasonable price. That combined with quality of life improvements via the romhackig scene makes emulation the definitive way to play, too. You can do couch coop over the internet with Parsec. That's kinda big.
Your title is misleading and your entire issue is a personal one, you're just wrong, they don't fail at preserving video games, your attention span fails at playing video games
I think he meant they fail at preserving the *entire experience* which... is almost kind of obvious?
Like, yeah, obviously its not going to be an identical experience.
That's a dumb argument.
@@Yipper64 It's kinda a big failing of this world right? Humans have all the resources that are available to preserve the entire physical layer of that experience, but when the development focus and more importantly "money" aren't there, preserving that WILL be a completely more expensive and draining.
Maybe it's not the emulators fault, but the fact that you've played those games countless times already. If nothing can suprise you anymore, then of course you get bored quickly.
Partially. I collect games physically partially because of this exact thing. Though mostly so I can remember what games I actually want to play.
New player to retro games personally I think absolutley not, I remember playing some new 3Ds games as well on an emulator.
It did keep my attention longer but not as long as I had with the actual console.
Its literally missing the physical experience, because when you’re on a pc your brain switches to pc games and the fact you have social media and other things.
But you’re not playing a pc game.
As someone younger and from a way poorer country, i was raised on 1000 rom packs for NES and GBA and the like. I have no idea which games I had finished as a kid, I can think of only a couple. Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Chrono Trigger. But the thing is, most of the games I played for a while and as soon as there was a single thing I didn't like, I could just switch the rom in a couple seconds. This probably informed a lot of how I play games today (looking for the most amount of varied experiences in the most amount of genres I can, evading timesinky games like most multiplayer games) but also robbed me of a looooot of games I dropped due to my rom induced adhd.
When I got some money, buying games on Steam definitely helped me trying to finish them. Since then, I've been finishing like 70 to 100 games a year (a lot of them, shorter experiences, I finish like maybe 5 of those 50 hour games a year) but now my problem is, I end up buying more than a 100 games a year so my backlog just grows and grows. And that's just the games on Steam, not including all the old shovelware games I love.
The whole "switching games up being too easy" still affects me, but arbitrary rules, like making lists, trying to get into a new genre, playing all the games from a developer, have helped me stay focused on finishing them. Also, streaming for my friends or my girlfriend really helps me make the playing of the game a more recurrent activity, which helps me not drop them if I get to a boring or annoying part.
I gave myself a rule that I can only play one game at a time. I don't start another game unless I finished the last one. It doesn't matter if it's an 8 hour game or a 100 hour game. Occasionally I'll come across a game I'm really not enjoying and I stop playing, but if that happens it means I'm done for good.
I used to have a bad problem of not finishing games by having multiple games going at once. But once I started doing this, I finish way more games.
And it wasn't because it was "too easy" to switch games like this video suggests. I was playing on physical media back then. And now I exclusively buy digital media and I finish my games more frequently. I also bought way more games back then that I just never played because whenever I got to the store I'd buy several games if I had the money for it. Now with digital games, I don't buy a game unless I'm ready to play it. Unless I see it on sale. And yeah, there are still a lot of games I bought on sale that I haven't played...
I would not say emulators "fail at game preservation" just because you don't like convenience. It just sounds like a you problem.🤷♂
What exactly do want to be preserved here? The tedium of switching out disks? Another thing is that not all emulators list out the roms you have in a convenient way. All emulators (Or at least all the ones I have used) give you the option to browse through your computer to find the rom manually. In Dolphin you literally have to go out of your way to make the list in the first place so in that instance that was 100% your fault for making the paths in the first place if you are using Dolphin.
This video is literally pointless and stupid. 🤦♂
I was expecting something stupid when I read the title but not something THIS stupid.
"I suck at choosing the game I play so much that I pick one that is so bad I can't stick to it unless severely inconvenienced", "My personal lack of self control is actually the fault of emulator developers" and "It shouldn't be easy to begin playing a game" are arguments so moronic, I couldn't have come up with them if I actively tried to think of the dumbest arguments to make.
False and gay
As someone who loves playing on original hardware with a CRT: what the fuck? Emulators are literally the only reliable way of preserving gaming. In fact, they can often enhance the way we play retro games. Metal Gear Solid 4 running at a solid 60 fps is a treat.
Ice cold take - play games however you want as long as you don’t become an elitist gatekeeper.
It seems that roughly 100% of people who complain about "gatekeeping" only want to gatekeep based on their own arbitrary standards. Crap like "How dare you suggest that ease of access contributes to short attention spans!" or "all character designs must appeal to the trans gaze!"
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terrible attempt at a video essay. your entire thesis is uninformed.
I think this really is a you problem. While I get the idea that sometimes one needs to have a little more patience with a game, forcing oneself to play something that one isn't enjoying is probably not the solution to the problem, gaming is a hobby after all and that's a quick way to suck the enjoyment out of it.
Also, have you considered the fact that sometimes you can simply not like a certain game as much as you did before? Because taste can change with time, and what seemed like a masterpiece at the time can feel meh when revisiting it after a couple of decades. Your opinions are bound to change with experience, specially when said experience is likely having played hundreds of other games and having a better understanding of the larger picture.
It's kind of amazing how you're both correct and incorrect, in my case specifically. On the one hand, I ABSOLUTELY bail way too quickly on Nintendo Online Emulator Games, even when I WANT to keep going with them.
On the other hand, I still haven't beaten Tears of the Kingdom because the physical act of taking out my Animal Crossing cartridge is too much brainpower for me. Like, the teeny tiny flimsy dangerously breakable cartridge tucked under a flap in the machine is stressful for me - in a way that pulling a big ol' chunky plastic rectangle out just wouldn't be. That's an easy, quick, visceral action versus something finicky and unpleasant.
What? Are you afraid you're accidentally going to smash your Switch cart with a hammer?
Sounds like you should just start buying digital games on the Switch.
This is just a you problem
Is this an out of season April fools joke?
You forgot to start the video with a message saying “This video is sponsored by Nintendo.”
I feel like the argument about the ease of charging to another game is more of an issue with digital media than anything else.
The main thing with emulators is their advantages compared to original hardware, like better and customisable video resolution, stable fps, anti-aliasing, input mapping, mods and texture packs, which give these amazing games a new fresh coat of paint.
step 1: buy any old laptop that has a disk drive, bonus points if its a panasonic with the palmrest that flips up to reveal it cuz thats just cool as
step 2: get a spindle of disks and get to burning, if you really care about preservation, get a drive that does blurays and use bd-Rs since they dont serm to suffer from bitrot nearly as much (and like, most dvd-rs will still take 20 years to degrade like that)
step 3: get an adapter or lookalike controller to play said games with. for NES and snes, the classic controllers that use the wii nunchunk connector are great picks
and bam, you now have a system that was cheap, is portable, can be hooked up to your big screen via hdmi (and CRTs via VGA if you get a laptop that does it) and plays all your retro games via emulation while providing that physical experience
not having the experience isnt a fault of emulation, its the fault of yourself for not bothering to create it
Wrong, Clickbait, absolutely awful "Airbus Aural Callout that plays when the plane lands prompting pilots to push back the thrust levers" opinion.
With VR, you can do all that insert cartridges, put quarters into the machine stuff. You can at least come a step closer to approximating it.
I remember there was a Sega emulator where the main menu was this small room where you sift through cartridges to find a game that didn’t require VR. Maybe these guys would appreciate an emulator front end that’s just a bunch of carts and discs?
This has nothing to do with emulation, nor game preservation. I thought you were going to cite emulation inaccuracies as something that permanently alters/damages how games are perceived, which is a fairly real problem (take a shot every time someone complains about the input lag for a PS2 game and the footage is natively 1080p), but this has everything to do with the accessibility of digital media.
I’ve got a bad Steam backlog, but I’ve solved this issue with emulated games by only selecting ones I had as a kid or ones that I’m interested in. I’m also kind of stupid, and I close out of Dolphin every time I want to switch out a game, so having to reopen Dolphin and select a new game I want to play is as close as I need for the analog experience.
I know there’s a project for the Mister FPGA that allows you to load up games using NFC cards, so if NFC readers become more widespread I think that’s the solution to your problem (not as easy as digital access, and you’ve got a backup in case your physical media succumbs to bitrot/discrot).
Overall this is a very small and personal gripe, I get that you have to make the big bucks but it shouldn’t come at the cost of your integrity. Saying emulators fail at preservation is a loaded and entirely misleading claim, and emulator developers definitely don’t deserve any more shit flung their way after the disaster that was the Yuzu/Citra situation.
TLDR; Use NFC cards if you don’t like digital media, this has nothing to do with emulation or game preservation.
Skill issue
A lot of the comments here are being really overly chide or spiteful but I'm gonna be honest this kinda stinks on ice.
The video opens by directly patronizing the viewer about presumed attention spans, only to make a really weak point about how "I feel like I swap games in emulators too much, so they're bad at preservation."
Yet like after making that point suddenly it's made out like calling that a personal problem is somehow an insult?
Idk, it just doesn't seem all that important to me. I have a solid amount of Famicom games on original hardware and I game swap sometimes playing those just fine. There's times I spend an entire day playing just one game on an emulator. I don't get why there needed to be this clickbaited video trying to make some grand statement about something you can very easily fix by just changing your own playing habits.
I recommend storing all the games on blank discs, so you would have to change discs to play other games
I do this and confirm it helps with involvement. I have a MiSTer with every console and every game conceivable hooked up to a consumer CRT TV, but 90% of the time choose to grab the CD storage bag, flick through the CDs (which are organized alphabetically) and choose a game, press the large button to open my real Playstation 1, insert the CD, press the large power button and anxiously await the boot screen and subsequent successful read of the old scratched CD. Save to real memory cards, swap them out if full (no 'savestate' so much more careful in playing), and really enjoy the "please insert disc 2" haha! I tend to stick to a game longer this way because I can't just pull up the roms list and boot a different game. In the end I get more reward and feeling of achievement for sticking with a game and pushing through the hard parts.
Woof using projection as a reason to bash emulation. I'm not clicking off this video because my attention span is too short. I'm doing it because of your bad faith argument based on projection of personal problems.
There is something to be said for that true original experience. There's a reason I have an original Pentium 1 PC with a Voodoo 3d accelerator and a CRT monitor hooked up in my man cave. Plus a 300#, 39" CRT Sony Triniton television dominating a corner of my livingroom with everything from the NES to the original Xbox hooked up to it. It's just a different experience compared to running an emulator.
However they aren't making those tube screens anymore, and there aren't many around who can repair them. My consoles will eventually stop working and crumble to dust as the relentless flow of time beats it down like a rock ground to sand by the waves of the beach. Some of my original PS2, Gamecube and Xbox discs have already succumbed to disc rot.
Even after the last 90s era console dies forever, emulation will live on. I won't be quite the same experience, but my grandchildren and great grandchildren will be able to play the games grandpappy enjoyed when he was a tyke in the 80s and 90s, sucking down Ecto Coolers and playing Battle Toads.
There are countless ways to make the switching of digital games feel the way you want it to, it just depends on how much effort you're willing to put in to get it, emulators are not at fault for being the easy quick access to video games that they're meant to be.
There's always things like LaunchBox, Retroarch, Steam with Non-Steam games, EmuVR, simply limiting your game library to games you yourself own or even desktop icons, besides emulators nowadays like Duckstation and nightly PCSX2 include ways to add proper artwork to your list of games.
But if you want even more faithful ways, there's always things like Retrode's that let you insert cartridges to the computer, modern emulators also support PS1/Saturn/CD discs being slotted in from your PC.
If your digital library of roms is just files upon files that's not at fault of Emulators, it's an issue you yourself can fix.
Stupid take
Someone's assuming a LOT in the title here.
This is actually a pretty interesting point! Ive made the switch to fulltime emulation a couple years ago, and its never been easier to switch to another game. One thing thats helped me keep on playing a single emulated game is actually aiming for achievements via RetroAchievements and honestly its been a blast! Instead of providing friction, I suppose you could also provide incentive as well haha. Still, food for thought!
No?
This smacks of the same energy as folks that claim "something" is lost if music is enjoyed in any format other than vinyl records.
If you enjoy the ritual of physical media, that's great! Totally valid.
But don't pretend that's not a matter of personal taste.
This is a personal problem, yes.
Then use discs with PCSX2 and DuckStation. same effect, with the emulator upgrades to benefit you and accomplish the old effect of swapping :)
i skirt around this issue by keeping each and every game that i shamelessly pirated off the internet on a seperarate USB drive and leave them all in a room with an abnormaly-aggressive Labrador, making me second-guess swapping games and wondering if trying to play Gubble for the PS1 is really worth getting mauled by a dog that might possibly have rabies but we never really checked and it's not like it's frothing at the mouth or refusing to drink water or anything it's just an asshole.
also my content-watching habits exclusively consist of podcasts and 4+ hour video essays, so my attention span isn't dust on the wind like yours. skill issue.
Seems very much like a subjective YOU issue and less of a "Emulators fail at game preservation" issue
The problem with emulator is: The amulator Enhance The experiente of gaming and if you haver no discipline you dont play game, only swap The ROMs
@@RyuzakiPragmatico_What?_
@RyuzakiPragmatico if that's the case then that's a u problem for anyone who doesn't have discipline
This video comes off as speaking for everyone lol.
I was getting bored of gaming until I moved to PC. Everyone is different.
I think it’s having piles of games to pick from. As a kid a new game was huge. You only got them once in a while. (Christmas/b’day) or you had to rent or trade/ borrow with friends.
So each game was more special.
When thrifting, I would get a pile of new game carts and not spend much time with any of them.
I think this is entirely subjective tbh. I still get those same nostalgic vibes playing games from my childhood on an emulator. Maybe it has to do with the fact I tend to play emulator games on a small phone screen with an xbox controller paired to it but idk. I find playing the game itself to be the memorable part rather than any of the process to get there. Using an xbox controller also feels memorable since it contains all the same buttons I'm used to from old game consoles in roughly the same places. For me, its a lot of GBA games and of course an xbox controller has a dpad and an a and b button and of course l and r, start and select.
This past weekend i just played thru metroid zero mission again which was one of my absolute favs from my childhood. I remember it taking my 7 year old self DAYS to actually beat it but with my adult levels of problem solving and strategy I beat it in 2 hours lol. Basically speedrunning at this point.
You can keep quitting and switching out physical games too. It's not a digital problem.
Mig Switch technically need to taken off the console tô Switch ROMs
they might not hold YOUR attention, but that's a very presumptuous title and i'm not really here for it.
You could make an emulator frontend that, whenever you want to switch games, it first forces you to play through one level of Bubsy 3D.
This is like saying "School/Education System failed us"
Oh God I'm glad to see someone get called out on their nostalgic BS for once.
Bad video
Yeah no, nice wrong opinion you’ve got there.
You know what's ACTUALLY isn't fun?
Overpriced games and game consoles.
Couldn’t agree more.
@@VideoFeverShow Then appreciate emulation, will you?
The things you talk about have nothing to do with preservation, moreso with the experience and engagement, its definitely true though, when a game only feels like a rom file instead of a big chunk of physical material that you were finally able to buy and enjoy, it's easier to dismiss the older games as "lesser"
There’s something about this take that is so gross to me. Like, gamers always say that gameplay is the most important thing, not the graphics or anything superficial like that. But no, no the gameplay isn’t important, what’s important is collecting the pieces of plastic and silicon that the games were on. Consumerism has rotted out people’s minds.
@@thetechn1que518 That's... Not quite right, steam games are digital only and yet they feel real.
I meant old games like NES and SNES games, things add up, the outdated graphics, the fact that you're booting up an emulator, and the fact that ROMs for those consoles are incredibly tiny in size. They unfortunately tend to feel "lesser" to me, but I doubt they did for those who got to play them on a cartridge, for those who actually treated them as a complete experience (getting the game, reading the manual, touching the cartridge, powering on the original console, etc) instead of treating them like just another ROM file.
Retro games aren’t fun now???
you dont like videogames, you like pressing buttons on things
Why does this channel only have 2k subscribers? I just stumbled on this video and it's made like a channel with way more. You guys have a style that actually works too. Most people with lower sub counts think they are funny and fail on every level. This video was factually accurate, interesting, wasn't dumbed down for people, and ... well damn. Please stick around.
Thank you! That means so much to us!
Probably because they suck
There are certain truths to what is being said here but it is delivered in a way that doesn’t quite find the focus of the issue which can be summed up as the conflict between convenience and motivation.
Strong convenience alongside a weak motivation is what will cause our attention to divide and switch.
Inconvenience makes it more difficult to find the motivation to start but at the same time that means the time spent playing will be from a strong motivation to play.
It’s a balancing act. Convenience is a good thing but the motivation needs to be there otherwise the user is at risk of becoming disinterested.
Each person needs a system that is ideal for them: for me I always buy my games so I will have the motivation to not make the purchase a waste of money, I also like to rotate my physical game library and that is easier to do if I am finishing them. I’ve also gotten into the habit of recording sessions so I stay on task for an hour at a time.
That’s the system that works for me personally. I do think there is merit to the idea that having a barrier can be the difference maker for some people but as is clear from the comments section each persons experience differs and there is no solution to fit all.
This video existing does vindicate the feelings I had which eventually lead to me finding my system for getting the most out of my games. There’s a seed of a good idea in here for sure.
I like the way you explain your thoughts!
The title doesn't really make sense but I actually totally feel the idea that switching games can be so easy that I don't stick to one thing. Although that's definitely not the emulators problem.
A bit of a shift on the main topic and title would so fix this video
Holy shit, it's Jack Black.
My Internet connection isn't fast enough for me to have 2 TB of ROMs, so I still have to play with only a few games at a time and wait a long time before a new game is downloaded.
Dolphin can recreate a GameCube-like or Wii-like experience with its BIOS and its disc change function. Same with melonDS and the DS/DSi.
I have an 32gb SD card on My DSi, Full of ROMs, but when i want to game i discipline myself to play The selected game from Begin to end
Framer8!? Wtf 😮 i didn't know you were still making videos. Yo! I loved you essay on Luigi Mansion back in the day and it's been too long since Brawl in Morton Hall
señor ocho
Whaaaat? Hello! Great to hear from you! You're very close. It's McFly, not Framerate. Though Framerate does often appear in our videos. Morton Hall was a magical time. Thanks for watching!
@@VideoFeverShow ...Like I said it's been too long 😅. Keep up the good work!
I blame beer.
hmm
It's not too late to delete this video
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On the contrary. For 2D games, I could never get into them on console, even back in SNES era. But I was always a Game Boy gamer at heart. Easily clocking 10,000 hours in Pokémon Red and Silver, and 100%ing SML2 6 Golden Coins and Donkey Kong Land.
In college, I played through NES and SNES games on my PSP, and recently I've been exploring a ton of classics on the Miyoo Mini and RG35XXH.
Playing on a handheld in bed or at lunch at work hits completely different to booting up a game on console and being locked to the TV. It feels like a time filler or time SAVER, rather than a waste of time.
Rather that feel like I'm wasting time out of my day sitting down playing videogames, it now feels like I'm rescuing time that would have been outerwise wasted scrolling UA-cam or Reddit.
So for me, emulation has SAVED retro gaming.
I disagree with both of you. The game is being preserved because long after you and I are dust in the ground, the future generations can still play *INSERT ANY GAME HERE*. If you are convinced that the game was putting the cartridge in, or dumping a quarter in a machine then I can't help you. For me, and I'd bet many people, it's being able to play games that I cannot buy ever again due to legal nonsense with licenses or the studio going under. But I'll tell you what. Want to experience your childhood again? I'll make a rom of space invaders for you, where every time you die my venmo QR code shows up and you can give me a quarter, how's that sound?
And here I am considering abandoning modern games to play retro games in emulators (up to the PS3 / Xbox 360) for the next few years. Between fan hacks, new translations, and the games I hadn't played before, I think there's a lot to get into.
Having said that, I'm thinking about approaching this with Batocera on a dedicated machine, and I really do wish before launching the game I could choose to view a scan of the game's manual, or even magazine scans for the game or TV ads.
When I was a kid, I would get bored of SMB3 and swap it for something like Zelda or RC Pro Am, this is not a new thing, and it did not take as much time as you are pretending it did. The issue is you haven't lowered the pool of games you have and judging by the video you have horrible time management skills. I managed to play through 150 games last year. This is genuinely a you problem.
3:21 Bold for someone who assumed I'd click away after watching less than a minute of a UA-cam video.
Genuinely seek help if you cannot restrain yourself from swapping games this badly, especially when it came to the "keyboard" thing.
I'm a bit biased as I did not have a small collection of games in the slightest as a kid but I feel like acting like this is an issue of emulation is pathetic.
This issue is definitely a personal issue. More likely consider it a personal preference. I've been using emulators since 1998 and while yes, it's easy to just...switch the games before finishing them, that goes for everything, not just an emulator thing. There's a reason 100 disc CD changers exist, bud.
Sometimes, you feel like playing a game, but get into it and realize that it's not the one you really want...change to another that you might play for hours, maybe until the end.
That's really what choice is and it's better to have more choice then to have none.
The title is misleading. The reason emulators fail at preservation is when they fail to mostly emulate a game, having glitches or graphical errors the game didn't have. The good thing is that this doesn't happen very often and when it happens, it's understandable as no all games work the same. Also, thanks to updates, those errors may get fixed in the future.
I get the feeling of changing games. I spent hours and hours on my Genesis and PS2 changing cartridges and CDs, sometimes hoping and praying they work. This seems more like your problem than something that emulators fail to do.
Time is precious, especially for those who work or study and don't have the same time as before. If you are not enjoying your time with a game then just play or do something else. Why bother spending more time on something that is not entertaining you?
In my experience I've seen that pirating games devalues the experience of playing the individual titles. I don't feel invested in playing them to completion like the games in my backlog that I've payed for.
I think the perspective you're coming from is valid and to a degree, the idea of physical media, to be able to hold it in your hand and own it and be able to access that type of media without worries of it being taken away from you in your own home is a valid critique. Feeling you might have too much to play and it can often be overwhelming is pretty valid too, However I think it's more that you're stating this from your own personal bias, and misrepresentation of the greater situation.
Where's the PS1 games?
There's your problem! Have you not felt the magic of playing the original Klonoa?
Any system, any emulator, anywhere, it's a precious experience.
I enjoy playing games on emulators almost every day. I can also load up one ROM of an old favorite or some new hidden gem I found and enjoy it for a couple of hours. Sad that people can’t appreciate the easiest and best way to play old games.
Can't relate. I love the convenience of having all my games accessible in my hard drive or SSD or whatever. I love save states and suspend states...
Nothing beats original hardware but even with that stuff I prefer just plugging in my everdrive and navigating the UI. If those retro games aren't holding your attention anymore, maybe try a different game. Lol
Very well said. I’ve struggled a bit to politely explain my lack of enthusiasm when a friend tells me about a device with thousands of games pre-installed. That just isn’t the experience I want. I can’t enjoy that many games. I want something much more personal and curated, like my personal collection that I paid for. Or like you said, just a handful of ROMS… ones that I’m actually interested in playing in the near future.
My plan is to hack my SNES classic and stick only add like 10-20 tops to the existing selection. (Including a few PS1 games).
Same for my PC Engine mini.
i completely agree with this, when you get such a major expansion in game catalog, your unable to finish any of them. that's how it was with my when i started installing homebrew on my game consoles, when i got twilightmenu on DSi, i just became unable to finish any of the games due to now having so many, when i'd get stuck or bored, i'd just switch to the next game. doesn't help that I have ADHD.
I see a lotta dislikes.
Hmm.
I do like collecting physical media personally. But I also like having the OPTION of flash carts.
I bought nearly every nintendo console because the emulators suck sometimes. Its not often ones 100% perfect.
Subbed, this is a great video and I think this is something everybody has experienced when dealing with having an extensive emulator set-up and I will also admit that the simple act of getting up, putting a cartridge/disk in is missing from the experience and it does causes you to swap from game to game to game before turning it off. I find myself needing to disciple myself when booting an old game but in the end it's a rewarding experience when I do.
Personally i find using emulators with front ends are even more engaging and nostalgic. It also lets me pick a game at random to help me decide on a game to play through next.
They hold my attention. I think yall just need to get a Sony Trinitron CRT and play on wii emulators. A good middle ground.
Ive been emulating since 2014 and it does make it harder to choose sometimes but thats the only real downside ive seen.
Perhaps your game tastes are changing.
It doesnt help that most emulator save states cant be disabled. So you have to use willpower to fight instant gratification to basically cheat.
Actually I opened the video in another Tab and didn't start it for 2 hours.
Sorry.
Still has the home menu problem but Steam Deck or Big picture mode with the roms as menu items might help. Cause it loads the rom and not the emulator to select any rom just a specific one. Awesome vid by the way I love watching this channel.
This has been by far my favorite approach lately. I have it set up so retro games and all other non-steam games show up with the legit ones I own on steam. It's seamless and helps legitimize these titles in the library.
I hear Batocera is good, too. Me personally, I don't mind launching a game from an emu, but I don't juggle more than 5 at once, anyways.
@@Patrick-bn5rp I like Batocera, but imo if you already use Steam ROM Manager it's really redundant on Steam Deck. You lose access to your Steam library in favor of retro games when you could easily have both. You also lose the choice of native PC ports when applicable. Things like Mario 64 or even older ports that can still be easily set up. It saves battery life by an insane amount. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 went from ab 4 hours to 6 hours battery life after I finally got the PC port working.
If you want to dig deeper into this topic, look up the flourishing pinball scene.
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If a game is good, I won't be tempted to jump over to another game.
No, I can't relate. Most of my favorite games are older.
So one thing I've wanted for my FPGA setup is a TapTo. It's an NFC reader designed to work with the Mister Project to load games. None of my controlers have a home button either. So I'm thinking this might be a good way to slow down the urge to switch games, and give more of a sensation of switching games.
I’ve heard of this. I’m intrigued by the near-infinite possibilities for game organization when your games are cards. Maybe it’s time to take up scrapbooking!
Games become so expendable, it really gets lost these were intended to be experiences players paid a premium for to savor and evening rental meant rushing to get as much as you could out of you limited possession of the game. I tend to not use emulation a lot except for maybe fun n64 rom hacks (got a Everdrive64 now, so even less of that). Through my ODE PS1 I do use a level of discipline to focus in on games (honestly really helps that once you load the game, outside of the silence of the machine, everything still feels authentic.)
Skill issue.
Emulators fail at preservation because you now have to be exclusively responsible for your own attention span?
Grow up. As a 32 year old, I miss the old days too, but you don't get them back by making lazy, nostalgia fueled arguments on UA-cam with clickbait titles
the act of putting a cartridge in doesn't make games more fun ur just old
I dont have nostalgia about cartdrige problems, that part of experiencie with in game glitches and freezer, blow cartdrige...etc is not a good experiencie.
It’s kinda why the saying “limitation breeds creativity” exists. You can do a lot more when you have less options, and the same thing goes for when you have less games.
When you have a collection of maybe 20 games curated over a span of a few years, you have time to enjoy each one. Meanwhile, having 1000s of games available is overwhelming, and it’s hard to commit to one when you have so many other choices waiting. Same thing happens with my Steam library and services like game pass.
I don’t exactly think emulation ruins fun for me, but I get in this habit of dragging every game of a library, then getting so overwhelmed that I find the act of playing games the games not fun. If I just drag the games I know I enjoy or a few I know I’d like to try, then emulation can be just as fun as real hardware (as long as the emulation quality is up there).
That phrase turned out to be false. Limitation does not breed creativity, it murders creativity.
Every time I hear “limitation breeds creativity” I think of Paper Mario: Sticker Star.
That's not even getting to the fact that when you FINALLY decide to choose a game from that list... and it SUCKS. Shovelware existed back then, but the nostalgia filter tends to erase memories of such awful games for some people. For others, they still have Vietnam War flashbacks of playing such horrors as Dream TV on SNES.
GameCube games are still not emulated perfectly. This is why the games are expensive
Oh sweet summer child, that's not the emulator's fault, you just haven't realized that the grey market is dead.
I think your points go for digital liberies in general.
Having both digital and physical games on the Switch, I keep myself much more occupied with one game if I don't have to swap cartridges.
Then again, I also grew into the mindset of focusing onto one, maybe two or three games at a time.
I usually have one single player game I play with one online multiplayer game to swap to for easy fun and maybe a singleplayer game that allows for quick sessions too like SEGA Rally 2 and Cannon Spike on Dreamcast, THPS 1+2 on PC (SteamDeck) and Tetris or Game & Watch Gallery on GameBoy.
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i am split
good food for thought though