@@mrmeeseeks2534 it’s actually crazy people say that. The 80’s was literally the pinochle of football thuggery. The stuff that goes on today is child’s play to the 80’s
It's not even a working class game anymore... it's all seater premium with a completely dead atmosphere... it's much safer but it's come at a massive cost... literally
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 ....Indirectly I guess it did because the fences were the main reason for the deaths. But who puts fences up that don't drop down or have gates at the front if there's a problem with over crowding ??
Yeah they drove the lower working classes out basically and didn't give a shit about the people football was built on. When Sky came along football became the new rock and roll for the middle classes, everyone had to follow a club. Kids paying on the gate and Dad's and grandad's taking kids to games vanished overnight at my club when all seater stadiums came along. That alone killed the atmosphere in stadiums. 'When Saturday Comes' became a thing of the past with clubs dictating to fans when they'd attend games and players thinking they were rock stars and not interacting with the fans like they use to. kick off's were arranged to suit the god of TV. It's more like going to bloody cineworld these days. Even football panels have changed with everyone being an expert these days telling managers and players where they're going wrong with every move. Oh and don't get me started on VAR. The only good thing these days is the thugs of the game can't get away with battering skilful players anymore.
Nothing whatsoever to do with anger,it was mobs of lads having a good scrap with mobs from other clubs (if they wanted it) sinple as that,politics NEVER came into it. london firms were every bit as upfor it as Manc/Lancs /Yorks firms,wether it was a poverty stricken Sunderland mob or a Chelsea mob there was never politics involved
@@spiritualwholesale1910 Yes many extreme political groups from both left and right tried to infiltrate the scene but they could not motivate them into their causes. Football has its own ancient culture coming from Shrove football.
84-85 season, I remember the game and the Stapleton goal! A Sunday game iirc.. football violence nationwide was off the charts that season, it was an anomaly - the season from hell.
When I was a kid I was at a Man Utd Liverpool match with my Dad and his mates. Must have been 83. I remember a fight broke out and I saw a red Stanley knife/craft knife fall to the ground. Crazy times.
And I have been q Liverpool season ticket holder since 1974 and went home and away ' and still got my ticket today.(i was at this game too) I have never ever seen anyone with a Stanley knife at the game. So you're one time going the game and seeing one must be like winning the lottery .😅😅
Leeds fan here ,I remember when MUFC came to Leeds 3rd May 1980 !!! Good god, what a day that was!!!! Nobody could match man united fans back then, and going further back to the 70s, they were far worse!! If you were going to old Trafford back then as an away fan, it was highly likely you were gonna get a clip!!!😮
We took an army to Elland Road that day, even some of City's Cool Cats turned up. If we'd won and Liverpool had lost we would have been champions. But we lost and Liverpool won.
Storm the kop? Marched to the anfield Road end and escorted home again, apart from those who ventured across the park. It was like a scene from Zulu with mounted police tearing all around the place. I was at this game and the fa semi at Goodison. Very toxic atmosphere at both games.
If you remember the milk cup game in November 85 at Anfield they didn't sell out their allocation . The reason was what had happened in the semis at Goodison that May.
...this undeniably used to be the Glorious days of the English Football when British Footballers used to play for the English Teams...however...for me above all used to be the remarkable moments on every journey by the British Rail Trains and the sounding ritual of opening & closing the doors of the Trains...Glorious days indeed...
How is this good old days? English fans still have a reputation to this day because of the violent clowns back then. If you wanna watch all English players you're lucky, we have this thing called international break, every few weeks...
@@teddypicker8799 ...first of all I wrote glorious days & not good days...and secondly it is your inalienable right to believe whatever you like therefore your reply is well respected... cheerio 👋👋👋
I can't talk about traveling to any games, but in 1978, I did have the pleasure of going from Southampton up to Blackpool, to visit family, on your British Rail Trains The condition of the cars at the time, while functional, left a lot to be desired, and three trains broke down 😂. However, as a 15 year old Canadian kid who was, on this occasion, traveling on his own, and _way_ out of his element, it was an interesting and enjoyable day that I'll never forget. I met some great people, was completely lost most of the time, scared the 💩 out of my dad, his brother, and the rest of my dad's side of the family, who I was meeting for the first time, because they had no idea where I was or why I hadn't arrived 5 hours beforehand like I should've (contacting them was near impossible for most of the day), I got half drunk with 5 guys who were total strangers to each other, and had myself quite the fun adventure. Considering how worried everyone had been about me, I decided to keep the fun part of the day to myself for a while 😁.
@@jpip1382 It's really confusing seeing all the players on the pitch are black and brown foreigners (millionaires) and they fans still going crazy for it. There's no connection between premier League clubs and the actual community they're based anymore. Even the owners are oil rich Arabs from the Gulf states. And the fans still act like it's "their" club.
although i am welsh its true not many foreignn players in english football teams then, now more foreigners than british players in english team, payed far to much money
Reds fan here united here and mib days were brilliant . But Liverpool pre heisell/Hillsborough we’re right up there too .those incidents changed everything at Liverpool. And for the team that started casual culture (fact) fighting at football just didn’t seem right anymore…..,
It’s when we actually had some Police! Now it feels like 1 copper per town, who, if off duty, isn’t interested because he doesn’t want to do paperwork. Why? Because there’s no overtime. If only our Government spent OUR money on the UK.
I remember Swansea showed outside, late 70's. They even sprayed a Swan on the gates. Seen the Geordies run up kemlyn Road same era. We always went in on derby day. Near the middle when Sharp scored his worldie.😅😅
@@bluescousenilsatis1981 swansea were there absolutely mental there were thousands swans fans locked outside on the streets and a few got in the kop end with a few slaps exchanged funny as fuck
@@bluescousenilsatis Blues were welcome in any part of Anfield back then. I've also been in every stand at Goodison, as have most Reds. We used to have a few thousand on the Gwladys Street in the derbies back then.
United's away support was and always has been second to none. Even during the years when we got relegated in 1974, we still commanded the highest average league attendances in the country, same again even when we were in the second division we topped the attendance records, no ther team could do that which shows the loyalty of support! The second division season is legendary with the massive away support when it was pay on the day entrance. I remember United taking over the Spion Kop at Hillsborough in 1974 and Blackpool giving their entire open Spion kop to United fans at the old Bloomfield Road - an unprecedented step. United took over 20,000 to an away night match (FA cup 6th round replay in 1976 at Wolves), still remember the chants, 2-0 down, 3-2 up now were gonna win the cup" 750k turned out for the trophy parade after beating Liverpool 2-1 in 1977. I also remember reading the Sunday papers after the 79 cup final stating United may have lost the cup to Arsenal but won the home coming stats, with 200k turning out for Arsenal as victors and 300k for United as losers.
They've never brought 10k to Liverpool or Everton apart from the fa Cup semi finals at goodison 79 85 , they got smashed tan everywhere , they were having second thoughts leaving goodison without the plod outside the park end , if you've ever been goodison you'll know where I'm on about , we'll outside sitting off in thr Park, in side streets were massive mons of Liverpool, many would have been Everton , belive me united famous fed army shit them selves where the realise what was in front of them behind them and all around them they were trying to get back into goodison they got smashed proper tjr bizzies couldn't do anything to prevent this by thr way this was probably thr only time we could get into them as they'd usually have massive protection around them ww scattered them in the upper scoreboard early 80s aswell they were in there about 3/400 we were in there about the sane in numbers ran them out the upper scoreboard that day , we had a top firm up till 85 hysel , all scouse lads mostly kids when we teamed up with Everton which was regular back then we were unstoppable, we'd be with them when they had a big reputation firm coming into our city and they'd be over at anfield especially in cup games league best as these were night games , we could get thing done in the darkness after the game even better when it was pissing it down
I remember at many, many matches one particular Mounted Bobby, had a big thick muzzy, who could literally control everywhere within 50 yards+ of him and his horse ..
the year they did put the fences up i was up the brummie end at west brom and the visiting leeds fans shook and snapped the fences off down their end and ran the length of the pitch to chuck the fence at the west brom fans. The year before the fences, West Ham ‘took’ the brummie end, hundreds of west ham fans kicking off in ‘our’ end and us kids had to climb onto the pitch. If there’d been fences then, we’d have been crushed against them. Ah… the good old days.
Anyone on here that went to the fa cup semi fina at Hillsboro mufc v derby in 75? What a day that was. Thousands locked outside and battling with South Yorkshire Police outside the ground.
getting stabbed for supporting Liverpool is by no means real English football culture, real English football culture is being able to enjoy the game and have passionate support for the team but going down to a game to fight Liverpool fans because you got nothing better to do is called being a prick.
@CIMAmotor we should be fighting politicians and corruption and the fact our country is now occupied territory, not fighting each other over millionaires kicking a ball in a field
@grahamd8356 facts bro, imagine all these firms joining as one and actually putting their energy to soemthing productive? Everyone forgets not only in UK but every country in the world u outnumber the police by at least 10 to 1 at minimum. Adding weapons on top of that to make it fair ground cos cops have guns, tasers, pepper spray and battons etc
Interesting how the media never mention the song which LFC fans invented in the 60's and which they sang gleefully, celebrating the deaths of 23 people until they stopped singing it in stadiums, from 1989. And yet they are very quick to tar United fans with any derogatory chants. Hand signals are still made by Liverpool fans today, but not reported by Sky, BBC, ITV or anyone. Just swept under the carpet as per!
You're totally forgetting Liverpool fans hold the moral high ground. After the awful events at Hillsborough a penny finally dropped . Before Hillsborough they made fun of the Heysel disaster mocking Evertonians with "we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball ", that was funny til it wasn't after Hillsborough.
The Mancs didnt storm the kop.They ran at a small group of scallies,giving it the big un outsite the Kemlyn.I was one of em,we didnt think they'd break escort 😂Plenty of em did,we scarpered towards the Kop 🤷♂️Thats what happened here lads.
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I remember the 80s well. Going the match in a pair of my latest trainers bought from Wade Smith on Slater Street (not the beaut bigger shop it became on Mathew Street) and an Australian polo t-shirt on....while all the Mancs and Cockneys were still wearing 18 high Dr Martens and rolled up jeans 😂😂
Sad to hear them mention that proposals had been put forward for fences. They were the main reason for the tragic deaths of fans at Hillsborough. Thank god they didn't have them at Valley Parade or thousands would have died.
A time when there was proper policing and football wasnt run by people in a box miles away from the ground, also to mention when these sort of games were actual derbies and players played with passion
Football hooliganism was largely good clean fun in the 1960s and early 1970s, with very little risk of serious injury for the participants and bystanders. All that changed in August 1974, when a Blackpool fan was stabbed to death at a game against Bolton Wanderers at Bloomfield Road. It was a different ball game from then on, so to speak....
The good old days when if there were 35,000 there it was not even at capacity for LIVERPOOL against MAN UTD, when it was supposed to be cheap. As basically it was absolutely terrible football played on crappy surfaces and watched by brave knuckle heads who took craft knives which they used on the POLICE who were protecting them and opposing fans. Oh how I miss those days, along with the piss that used to run down the terraces while you were trapped in a cage.
They'd never admit it, but you can guess these clubs were secretly delighted when Hillsborough happened, as it gave them the impetus & government backing to gentrify the game in England and price these oiks out of the stadium.
@@joseparcenary4706Thank god, although as was proven with dogs abuse Ollie Watkins suffered at Brentford recently for 90 minutes by one individual the scum are still expresding their sad lives by going to football to voice their inadequacies. However it is a much more pleasurable experience going to football which is so much better than the non technical rubish served as organised on pitch violence with the occasional Mat Le Tissier to demonstrate how crap much of the rest were.
@steve-kl9ivMan United never got low crowds in the 80s or at any time, this is the year we won the FA cup and Everton won the league and Cup winners cup, Liverpool were to busy murdering Juventus fans that summer, not so mighty were you.
@steve-kl9ivThats the point I am making because of the knuckle head hooligans people were staying away in droves invl Liverpool v Man Utd, not that difficult to grasp is it?
Seem to remember walking to the ground singing shankly and other less savoury songs a couple of years back. Only 3 of us and only me singing. Not a peep out of anyone. Mind i wasnt singing in Norwegian
Like Millwall v West Ham the Rivalry began out of the football spectrum, was workbon the Docks that caused the real rift between Millwall and West ham. And I'm told the Manchester Canel" from Liverpool to Manchester was why rivalry began. Tell me if I maybe wrong with the Liverpool v Manchester United one I might of missed a bit.
yep it was 1894 the manchester ship canal was built they hated each other and then the two football teams were started and the rivalry spread to that so thats crap sorry @steve-kl9iv
Still have got a massive firm sadly like all firms nowadays they'd rather shove shit up their noses than have a proper row. Quite sad really from a Forest fan 🔴🌳
Typical United fans taunting with reference to the dead! On another note Manchester is BLUE 💙 🔵 and it looks like it's going to stay that way for some time. 😁 😊
As a Spurs fan, I did that exact journey from Edge Hill to Anfield on buses on the wonderfully dated 'football specials' from Euston station. No woke back then lol.
Hang on. Maybe I'm just a thick Leeds United supporting Yorkshireman but wasn't that 'United' fan held back in the Manchester United fan contingent on the steps at the end of the match brandishing an Irish flag with Shankly emblazoned on it?? Hardly Man Utd fan paraphernalia!! What the heck ?
United have always been tight with the green dregs from Glasgow, hence the tricolour and Timmy ski hats on show 🙄 same for the Scousers too it must be said, although there always used to be some Rangers leaning lads on the Kop back then. I genuinely dislike both clubs so I ain’t got a dog in this fight, just in case you’re wondering
The Mancs have always had a large contingent of bandwagon jumpers from far and wide. I remember them turning up looking like Bay City Rollers rejects with Irish and Scottish accents. They were as Mancunian as jellied eels, haggis and Irish stew. Basically, they attracted the dregs who just went to the game to cause problems. They got away with much of it simply due to weight of numbers. United was a bandwagon for immature youth with anger issues.
@donrevie721 :- My guess is that that flag had something more sinister written on it about Shanks. As for the tricolour there are ten of thousands of United fans from the ROI. Nothing unusual about many of them carrying their country's flag. As for the connection between Celtic/United that was true in the 60's, 70's and 80's ( just listen to Rod Stewart's You're in my heart) and while there are still some who share that bond, the majority aren't bothered. Just as many Bears like United now because they hate the fact that LFC have cosied up with Celtic. Mates who are st holders @ Ibrox hate LFC now for various reasons. Most Gers have Chelsea as their English team.
@@KryptonitetoallBS yeah you're spot on about about Rangers and Chelsea, they've been very close as long as I can remember which is right back to the early 80's when those half/half bobble hats were bang in mode. I have never got how folk from the southern Irish republic or those of that ilk from Northern Ireland support English clubs whilst hating our country. I had the misfortune of being stranded in a boozer by Dundalk Station whilst England played Argentina during the 2002 World Cup. As Beckham stepped up to take that penalty I had Brendan Brains stood right next to me frothing out "miss it Beckham you English bar steward" whilst wearing that minging gold coloured Vodafone sponsored Man Utd away shirt of the time. You wouldn't get any proud Englishmen and/or Loyalists following your Shamrock Rovers and your Bohemians if the League of Ireland was massively successful would you, proper muggy hypocrites as far as I'm concerned.
Red army? Look like a bunch of skinny weedy kids who wouldn't say boo to a goose when on there own.hard men don't go looking for trouble with gangs to back them up
Stop talking bollocks. If you know anything at all about United you'd know the Cockney Reds went from the early 70's onwards. Once Fergie started being successful many of the match going glory hunters came from the Greater Manchester area.
85 it was almost over police were in control ,late 70s early 80s was the bollocks old bill didnt have a clue ,we were freelance just followed the definite games that were gonna kick off in the north ,every sat up at 6 for the train on the "persil" crack ,night games were proper naughty if you were stranded somewhere and missed train home .makes me laugh when i see young lads now risking jail just for stepping towards another suppoorter
Man Utd fans were by far the worse hooligans back in the 70’s & 80’s. Liverpool fans were no angels, particularly in Europe, but then again Man Utd were rarely in Europe before 1992, which is just as well.
@steve-kl9iv ….Rome 1984. European Cup Final, over 300 fans injured in rioting. No casualties though. These riots actually influenced what happened at Heysel 12 months later. The Italian Ultras were out for revenge, not just for the rioting, but for the way Liverpool rubbed their faces in the mud in their own backyard to claim their 4th European Cup. Sadly, the revenge attempt by the Ultras went terribly wrong in Heysel.
The way he casually says 4 people stabbed including a police officer😂
I know. It was way worse then than it is now, these days they just make most the stuff up
@@ThatAllegedlyChannelhow on earth do people try and say fans were better back in the 80s
@@mrmeeseeks2534 it’s actually crazy people say that. The 80’s was literally the pinochle of football thuggery. The stuff that goes on today is child’s play to the 80’s
Fairly normal day back then lol.
And that was a good day😂
Back in the days when police officers had to be 6ft or over and able to look after themselves.
With 15” helmets!
Before they went woke.
They were the liverpool 'fans' 😁
and didnt have 2 tier policing
Evening all🚓
It's not even a working class game anymore... it's all seater premium with a completely dead atmosphere... it's much safer but it's come at a massive cost... literally
You do realize hillsborough happened because of this type of hooliganism?
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 Hillsborough happened because of poor policing and poor planning.. absolutely nothing to do with hooligans
@@arsenioseslpodcast3143 ....Indirectly I guess it did because the fences were the main reason for the deaths. But who puts fences up that don't drop down or have gates at the front if there's a problem with over crowding ??
They threw out the baby with the bath-water in the 90s eh,it's more skillful now but oh so slow & teeth-grindingly boring
Yeah they drove the lower working classes out basically and didn't give a shit about the people football was built on.
When Sky came along football became the new rock and roll for the middle classes, everyone had to follow a club.
Kids paying on the gate and Dad's and grandad's taking kids to games vanished overnight at my club when all seater stadiums came along. That alone killed the atmosphere in stadiums.
'When Saturday Comes' became a thing of the past with clubs dictating to fans when they'd attend games and players thinking they were rock stars and not interacting with the fans like they use to. kick off's were arranged to suit the god of TV.
It's more like going to bloody cineworld these days.
Even football panels have changed with everyone being an expert these days telling managers and players where they're going wrong with every move.
Oh and don't get me started on VAR.
The only good thing these days is the thugs of the game can't get away with battering skilful players anymore.
People forget how much anger there was in the 70’a and 80’s amongst working class people..
still is
Yes the PlayStations and ecstasy tablets have numbed it all a bit!
@@mickb44 not like it was. I’m 52 now and remember watching the scenes at Orgreave, my dad said we’re heading for civil war..
Nothing whatsoever to do with anger,it was mobs of lads having a good scrap with mobs from other clubs (if they wanted it) sinple as that,politics NEVER came into it. london firms were every bit as upfor it as Manc/Lancs /Yorks firms,wether it was a poverty stricken Sunderland mob or a Chelsea mob there was never politics involved
@@spiritualwholesale1910 Yes many extreme political groups from both left and right tried to infiltrate the scene but they could not motivate them into their causes. Football has its own ancient culture coming from Shrove football.
Was that the first game of paul tierney? Two clear pens turned down
84-85 season, I remember the game and the Stapleton goal! A Sunday game iirc.. football violence nationwide was off the charts that season, it was an anomaly - the season from hell.
Crazy to see this. I am in the kop each gane but there is little to no trouble i see at all. I am glad these days of the trouble has gone.
When I was a kid I was at a Man Utd Liverpool match with my Dad and his mates. Must have been 83. I remember a fight broke out and I saw a red Stanley knife/craft knife fall to the ground. Crazy times.
American made back then.
That was his mate Stanley that fell on the floor
😊@@twistedtrackstravel8771
And I have been q Liverpool season ticket holder since 1974 and went home and away ' and still got my ticket today.(i was at this game too) I have never ever seen anyone with a Stanley knife at the game. So you're one time going the game and seeing one must be like winning the lottery .😅😅
@@normanrogers735I’m not sure if your taking the piss or not but I for sure saw it. Craft knives and Stanley’s were a norm from what I’ve been told.
What i want to know is what became of the poor vauxhall cavalier abandoned on the kerb on priory road
Its occupant made her two quid and waltzed off to the Co-op to buy some Tennents.
Real police officers,unlike the police we have now.
Real horses not like the horses we have now.
Real busses not like the busses we have now.
real funny hairdos not like the funny hairdos we have now
Real woolys not like we have now lah
@@reformtorta
why do old age pensioners think they had it better off back in the day, you used to get an orange for Christmas and some coal ffs.
Leeds fan here ,I remember when MUFC came to Leeds 3rd May 1980 !!!
Good god, what a day that was!!!! Nobody could match man united fans back then, and going further back to the 70s, they were far worse!! If you were going to old Trafford back then as an away fan, it was highly likely you were gonna get a clip!!!😮
I wouldn't say that as Tottenham was a Naughty One but 03/05/80 was unbelievable, 1 of the best ever at ER.
Liverpool would batter them.
Worst fans were Millway fans.
They routinely killed people
@@craiggibbons8228Joking what you smoking ?
@user-wc8is6jx5z I don't smoke. You weren't around during the docherty era, obviously 🙄.
We took an army to Elland Road that day, even some of City's Cool Cats turned up. If we'd won and Liverpool had lost we would have been champions. But we lost and Liverpool won.
Thanks for sharing this. Brilliant footage.
How was that not a pen and he jumped on Nicols back !
True. But if you watch Nicol when he goes down, he does grab the wrong leg
Its unbelievable he just rugby tackled him
In the 70s 80s 90s etc it was different. Vinnie Jones made a career of those body slams and suplexes in the early to mid 90s.
Storm the kop? Marched to the anfield Road end and escorted home again, apart from those who ventured across the park. It was like a scene from Zulu with mounted police tearing all around the place.
I was at this game and the fa semi at Goodison. Very toxic atmosphere at both games.
If you remember the milk cup game in November 85 at Anfield they didn't sell out their allocation . The reason was what had happened in the semis at Goodison that May.
Scene from Zulu 😆
...this undeniably used to be the Glorious days of the English Football when British Footballers used to play for the English Teams...however...for me above all used to be the remarkable moments on every journey by the British Rail Trains and the sounding ritual of opening & closing the doors of the Trains...Glorious days indeed...
How is this good old days? English fans still have a reputation to this day because of the violent clowns back then. If you wanna watch all English players you're lucky, we have this thing called international break, every few weeks...
@@teddypicker8799 ...first of all I wrote glorious days & not good days...and secondly it is your inalienable right to believe whatever you like therefore your reply is well respected... cheerio 👋👋👋
I can't talk about traveling to any games, but in 1978, I did have the pleasure of going from Southampton up to Blackpool, to visit family, on your British Rail Trains
The condition of the cars at the time, while functional, left a lot to be desired, and three trains broke down 😂.
However, as a 15 year old Canadian kid who was, on this occasion, traveling on his own, and _way_ out of his element, it was an interesting and enjoyable day that I'll never forget.
I met some great people, was completely lost most of the time, scared the 💩 out of my dad, his brother, and the rest of my dad's side of the family, who I was meeting for the first time, because they had no idea where I was or why I hadn't arrived 5 hours beforehand like I should've (contacting them was near impossible for most of the day), I got half drunk with 5 guys who were total strangers to each other, and had myself quite the fun adventure.
Considering how worried everyone had been about me, I decided to keep the fun part of the day to myself for a while 😁.
@@jpip1382 It's really confusing seeing all the players on the pitch are black and brown foreigners (millionaires) and they fans still going crazy for it. There's no connection between premier League clubs and the actual community they're based anymore. Even the owners are oil rich Arabs from the Gulf states. And the fans still act like it's "their" club.
although i am welsh its true not many foreignn players in english football teams then, now more foreigners than british players in english team, payed far to much money
Reds fan here united here and mib days were brilliant . But Liverpool pre heisell/Hillsborough we’re right up there too .those incidents changed everything at Liverpool. And for the team that started casual culture (fact) fighting at football just didn’t seem right anymore…..,
Liverpool haha
True; 1970 at Elland Road and the scousers were firing off sharpened pennies. I still have one; unusual for a Pudlian to give away money...
late 70's United always took our end Liverpool didn't even try, probably would have succeeded if they did.
@@markpaulo269what's your end?🤔👹
@@mickfoskett6629 Loft, QPR.
It’s when we actually had some Police! Now it feels like 1 copper per town, who, if off duty, isn’t interested because he doesn’t want to do paperwork. Why? Because there’s no overtime. If only our Government spent OUR money on the UK.
You obviously haven’t been to Man Utd Liverpool game recently, there are at least 500
Let's get it straight though, this was manchester uniteds highlight of the season! Cause Let's be factual,they had nothing to play for on the pitch!
We won the cup and Liverpool didn't win a trophy but there you go
We were always United's cup final.
That wasn’t the fa cup semi final though. The first match was at Goodison 2-2. The replay United won at Maine Road.
@@CharlieWaffelsTennis I was at both games as a United supporter.
@@davidspion9548 Nothing wrong with that and Arsenal later on. So who was yours cup final then?
United never "stormed the Kop". Ever. No one ever stormed the Kop.
@kx9651
What are you on about?
I remember Swansea showed outside, late 70's. They even sprayed a Swan on the gates. Seen the Geordies run up kemlyn Road same era. We always went in on derby day. Near the middle when Sharp scored his worldie.😅😅
@@bluescousenilsatis1981 swansea were there absolutely mental there were thousands swans fans locked outside on the streets and a few got in the kop end with a few slaps exchanged funny as fuck
@@bluescousenilsatis
Blues were welcome in any part of Anfield back then. I've also been in every stand at Goodison, as have most Reds. We used to have a few thousand on the Gwladys Street in the derbies back then.
you very wrong scouse utd been in the kop twice ask your older woolies
Tribalism at its ugliest ...no matter which team these hooligans support
got to say from west ham fan man utd took 10,000 plus to away games they had very good support.
Half of them from London and the home counties.
@@botany500kojakJurgen's right, your fans are shite
United's away support was and always has been second to none.
Even during the years when we got relegated in 1974, we still commanded the highest average league attendances in the country, same again even when we were in the second division we topped the attendance records, no ther team could do that which shows the loyalty of support!
The second division season is legendary with the massive away support when it was pay on the day entrance.
I remember United taking over the Spion Kop at Hillsborough in 1974 and Blackpool giving their entire open Spion kop to United fans at the old Bloomfield Road - an unprecedented step.
United took over 20,000 to an away night match (FA cup 6th round replay in 1976 at Wolves), still remember the chants, 2-0 down, 3-2 up now were gonna win the cup"
750k turned out for the trophy parade after beating Liverpool 2-1 in 1977. I also remember reading the Sunday papers after the 79 cup final stating United may have lost the cup to Arsenal but won the home coming stats, with 200k turning out for Arsenal as victors and 300k for United as losers.
They've never brought 10k to Liverpool or Everton apart from the fa Cup semi finals at goodison 79 85 , they got smashed tan everywhere , they were having second thoughts leaving goodison without the plod outside the park end , if you've ever been goodison you'll know where I'm on about , we'll outside sitting off in thr Park, in side streets were massive mons of Liverpool, many would have been Everton , belive me united famous fed army shit them selves where the realise what was in front of them behind them and all around them they were trying to get back into goodison they got smashed proper tjr bizzies couldn't do anything to prevent this by thr way this was probably thr only time we could get into them as they'd usually have massive protection around them ww scattered them in the upper scoreboard early 80s aswell they were in there about 3/400 we were in there about the sane in numbers ran them out the upper scoreboard that day , we had a top firm up till 85 hysel , all scouse lads mostly kids when we teamed up with Everton which was regular back then we were unstoppable, we'd be with them when they had a big reputation firm coming into our city and they'd be over at anfield especially in cup games league best as these were night games , we could get thing done in the darkness after the game even better when it was pissing it down
@@davidsmith655Napoli averaged over 50k when they were in Serie C
Proper days of football. Notice how literally nobody has a football shirt on apart from kids 😂
Proper days? Yeah, heysel, Hillsborough, innocent children and fans killed, everyone treated like animals, crap facilities. Yeah, great days.
Literally no-one has a shirt except for the ones that do.
@@chivauk ha ha indeed
@@chivaukdeserves more likes than OP
You Couldnt get replicas in the 70s
"stabbed with craft knives" Scouser thing if I recall correctly.
I remember at many, many matches one particular Mounted Bobby, had a big thick muzzy, who could literally control everywhere within 50 yards+ of him and his horse ..
That last couple of sentences made me laugh😂
Norman Whiteside - Frank Stapleton
When football was a working class game supported by working class people
And any given match ran the risk of getting stabbed or crushed. Oh yeah halycon days mate.
Fucking hell...
Bread and circuses
Indeed.
not sure what's wrong with more different social classes enjoying a game of football, or is that reserved for the working class.
the year they did put the fences up i was up the brummie end at west brom and the visiting leeds fans shook and snapped the fences off down their end and ran the length of the pitch to chuck the fence at the west brom fans. The year before the fences, West Ham ‘took’ the brummie end, hundreds of west ham fans kicking off in ‘our’ end and us kids had to climb onto the pitch. If there’d been fences then, we’d have been crushed against them. Ah… the good old days.
Is it asking too much to attach a date/year to the video?
31 March, 1985.
Anyone on here that went to the fa cup semi fina at Hillsboro mufc v derby in 75? What a day that was. Thousands locked outside and battling with South Yorkshire Police outside the ground.
In the middle of all the melee a football match breaks out
Wouldn't want to get stuck down the alleys in Liverpool or Manchester no escape no choice but to fight. Lot safer now just banter at the grounds.
Not at Man Utd Liverpool games, there are still clashes. Fans are separated just as much now. Difference is away fans are kept in the stadium longer
@@jakehowie442 football "hooligans" in 2024 are just wannabes that weren't born until 1995.
How did Liverpool not get at least one penalty! Ridiculous. VAR is a joke. From an Everton fan.
That was the real English football culture.Destroyed by money and politics
And common sense, don't forget.
And the complete feminisation of the game
getting stabbed for supporting Liverpool is by no means real English football culture, real English football culture is being able to enjoy the game and have passionate support for the team but going down to a game to fight Liverpool fans because you got nothing better to do is called being a prick.
Of all the things to fight over...a ball getting kicked round a field isnt one of them
What is then?
@CIMAmotor we should be fighting politicians and corruption and the fact our country is now occupied territory, not fighting each other over millionaires kicking a ball in a field
@grahamd8356 facts bro, imagine all these firms joining as one and actually putting their energy to soemthing productive? Everyone forgets not only in UK but every country in the world u outnumber the police by at least 10 to 1 at minimum. Adding weapons on top of that to make it fair ground cos cops have guns, tasers, pepper spray and battons etc
@@grahamd8356 was not millionaires in those days
@ 1-57...that is clearly a ''foul throw''....the ball is not thrown from BEHIND his head.
At what point did anyone try to storm the Kop? I've watched several times but can find nothing
I was at the game (aged 12) and on those trains/buses. There was no "storming of the Kop". Media bullshit.
Interesting how the media never mention the song which LFC fans invented in the 60's and which they sang gleefully, celebrating the deaths of 23 people until they stopped singing it in stadiums, from 1989. And yet they are very quick to tar United fans with any derogatory chants. Hand signals are still made by Liverpool fans today, but not reported by Sky, BBC, ITV or anyone. Just swept under the carpet as per!
You're totally forgetting Liverpool fans hold the moral high ground. After the awful events at Hillsborough a penny finally dropped . Before Hillsborough they made fun of the Heysel disaster mocking Evertonians with "we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball ", that was funny til it wasn't after Hillsborough.
All tragedy chanting needs to stop. I read Chester fans were singing 'Lucy Letby she's one of your own' to Hereford.
I think you'll find that chant originated from Leeds United
@@richardmaddog1110 and "we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball "? Who was that?
If you say so 🙄
Glad it’s safer these days
Your right ; the footy was great but away games were scary if you werent a thug.
Where was the storming of the Kop?
Proud to be British
Happens/happened everywhere
The Mancs didnt storm the kop.They ran at a small group of scallies,giving it the big un outsite the Kemlyn.I was one of em,we didnt think they'd break escort 😂Plenty of em did,we scarpered towards the Kop 🤷♂️Thats what happened here lads.
These lads had it easy in the early 70s it was walk from lime st no police escort and no segregation in the anfield Rd end
When football was football, the very best of days
YEH. BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD😂😂😂 I REMEMBER ENGLAND PLAYING MIND BLOWING FOOTBALL IN THE WORLD CUPS. EXPECIALLY IN USA 94 SOME YEARS LATER. AMAZING FOOTBALL.
OH AND THE CRAZY GANG. SOME OF THE BEST FOOTBALL I HAVE EVER SEEN IN MY LIFE😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You smoking crack. England didn’t qualify for USA 1994!
still football mate, if you weren't aware the F in Liverpool FC and Manchester United FC stands for football still.
If you think that you didnt watch it back then.
@@Jayfive276 OH YEH. ENGLAND IN EURO 92 TO WERE A GREAT TEAM 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
3rd manc out the gate, Donkey jacket 😂 mancs have never done clobber
scruffs
I remember the 80s well. Going the match in a pair of my latest trainers bought from Wade Smith on Slater Street (not the beaut bigger shop it became on Mathew Street) and an Australian polo t-shirt on....while all the Mancs and Cockneys were still wearing 18 high Dr Martens and rolled up jeans 😂😂
Montirex and 110s
@ds9642 Kind of...but that clobber came only came along in the 2020s....I'm talking about the Scal clobber from the mid to late 80s
Arsenal and Everton best dressed back then
Ah the old days 😂 now all you see is posers taking selfies, football sure has changed and not for the betterment of the average supporters
Being dragged along his mullet 😂😂
VAR would have given both penalties
I was thinking exactly the same thing 😂 😂
Not this season they wouldn’t
Penalties are too readily awarded these days, especially for accidental 'handball'.
In what year that happened?
It's seen as a successful operation even when police are getting stabbed. The 80s were something else.
Sad to hear them mention that proposals had been put forward for fences. They were the main reason for the tragic deaths of fans at Hillsborough. Thank god they didn't have them at Valley Parade or thousands would have died.
A time when there was proper policing and football wasnt run by people in a box miles away from the ground, also to mention when these sort of games were actual derbies and players played with passion
What year was this?
What was the score
And these days yous do fuck all utd good for nothing if they keep going in the direction there going in they be in the championship very soon 😂😂
Football hooliganism was largely good clean fun in the 1960s and early 1970s, with very little risk of serious injury for the participants and bystanders. All that changed in August 1974, when a Blackpool fan was stabbed to death at a game against Bolton Wanderers at Bloomfield Road. It was a different ball game from then on, so to speak....
Fans of EVERY club were treated like animals then - and now.
Proper policing then. Not there to make people feel better but to keep law and order.
Good. Many were animals. Unfortunately they spoil it for the many.
Don’t know about animals these days, more like ATM/cash points now.
United fans used to set the standard home and away. Special club forever
@steve-kl9iv yes West Ham had some rowdy boys. But it's a tin pot club
@steve-kl9iv Our away fans still set the standard. You guys had a special ground at Upton Park. You've gone full on tinpot now.
The Government Says.... Hard to listen to that term in 2024
Don't you wish the police could still be like this?
I’m a blue , and an old fella now I used to go to that match just for the scrap , no blades just a punch up and a laugh
Zzzzz
That’s what you call community spirit
Soft bastard. Go the match to watch the match
Cctv and big sentences have put a stop to most of this happening today there is only a small amount going on .
What you brit have faced 20 to 30 years ago we face every weekend here in Brazil.
The good old days when if there were 35,000 there it was not even at capacity for LIVERPOOL against MAN UTD, when it was supposed to be cheap. As basically it was absolutely terrible football played on crappy surfaces and watched by brave knuckle heads who took craft knives which they used on the POLICE who were protecting them and opposing fans. Oh how I miss those days, along with the piss that used to run down the terraces while you were trapped in a cage.
They'd never admit it, but you can guess these clubs were secretly delighted when Hillsborough happened, as it gave them the impetus & government backing to gentrify the game in England and price these oiks out of the stadium.
@@joseparcenary4706Thank god, although as was proven with dogs abuse Ollie Watkins suffered at Brentford recently for 90 minutes by one individual the scum are still expresding their sad lives by going to football to voice their inadequacies. However it is a much more pleasurable experience going to football which is so much better than the non technical rubish served as organised on pitch violence with the occasional Mat Le Tissier to demonstrate how crap much of the rest were.
@steve-kl9ivMan United never got low crowds in the 80s or at any time, this is the year we won the FA cup and Everton won the league and Cup winners cup, Liverpool were to busy murdering Juventus fans that summer, not so mighty were you.
@steve-kl9ivtelling lies is a normal trait for a liverpool fan, you've been censored, well good, your kind need educating
@steve-kl9ivThats the point I am making because of the knuckle head hooligans people were staying away in droves invl Liverpool v Man Utd, not that difficult to grasp is it?
Repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Abandon all futility of glorying over passing folly.
Clothing companies trying there hardest to bring hooligans back in todays game .
These days Manu fans travel to Anfield in disguise and are already on the train home halfway through the 2nd half.
yeah thats because they are usually losing 5-0 by then lol
klhjo
Seem to remember walking to the ground singing shankly and other less savoury songs a couple of years back. Only 3 of us and only me singing. Not a peep out of anyone. Mind i wasnt singing in Norwegian
In The Netherlands it's still like this basically because 'nothing to be done about it anyway...'..
From celebrating a trip to Anfield like a cup final in the 80s…
To celebrating a 0-0 draw at Anfield like a trophy in the 2020s…
Never change Mancs 😂
1 title in 33 years 😂😂
@@LiamJohnson470 Liam your managed by Erik ten Hag I’d be dialing it in if I were you
Jurgen's right... your fans are shite
@@jacknapier6668 And yet still couldn’t beat us
@@LiamJohnson470 joint biggest loss in uniteds history is to Liverpool, 7-ZER0 🤨🤡🤦♂️
Got more chance of storming the Kop than getting through Edge Hill alive tbh.
Glory Glory Manchester United
Like Millwall v West Ham the Rivalry began out of the football spectrum, was workbon the Docks that caused the real rift between Millwall and West ham. And I'm told the Manchester Canel" from Liverpool to Manchester was why rivalry began. Tell me if I maybe wrong with the Liverpool v Manchester United one I might of missed a bit.
dockers strike pool and man u i think but i dont do google
yep it was 1894 the manchester ship canal was built they hated each other and then the two football teams were started and the rivalry spread to that so thats crap sorry @steve-kl9iv
nothing to do with hooligan shit programs, i actually read books
@steve-kl9iv
Try canal
Who won the game
They never...utter myth. As soon as we arrived they disappeared
They had a massive firm
Still have got a massive firm sadly like all firms nowadays they'd rather shove shit up their noses than have a proper row. Quite sad really from a Forest fan 🔴🌳
@@forestranger5408true bud
4 stabbings and they say no one saw any crimes
Typical United fans taunting with reference to the dead! On another note Manchester is BLUE 💙 🔵 and it looks like it's going to stay that way for some time. 😁 😊
The police of this moderns times are shocking compared. Woke, cowardly, only target local born etc
As a Spurs fan, I did that exact journey from Edge Hill to Anfield on buses on the wonderfully dated 'football specials' from Euston station. No woke back then lol.
But then - as now, you still do not know what it means.
There's no way the Cops could handle these type of maneuvers now!
NO one wore team colours back in the 70's 80's
A savage time in football history, but fun at the same time
Ah, the days when United fans actually came from Manchester.
That's why they called it Stanley park
Hang on.
Maybe I'm just a thick Leeds United supporting Yorkshireman but wasn't that 'United' fan held back in the Manchester United fan contingent on the steps at the end of the match brandishing an Irish flag with Shankly emblazoned on it??
Hardly Man Utd fan paraphernalia!!
What the heck ?
United have always been tight with the green dregs from Glasgow, hence the tricolour and Timmy ski hats on show 🙄 same for the Scousers too it must be said, although there always used to be some Rangers leaning lads on the Kop back then.
I genuinely dislike both clubs so I ain’t got a dog in this fight, just in case you’re wondering
That's great Charlie thanks for the explanation!
All the best.
The Mancs have always had a large contingent of bandwagon jumpers from far and wide. I remember them turning up looking like Bay City Rollers rejects with Irish and Scottish accents. They were as Mancunian as jellied eels, haggis and Irish stew. Basically, they attracted the dregs who just went to the game to cause problems. They got away with much of it simply due to weight of numbers. United was a bandwagon for immature youth with anger issues.
@donrevie721 :- My guess is that that flag had something more sinister written on it about Shanks. As for the tricolour there are ten of thousands of United fans from the ROI. Nothing unusual about many of them carrying their country's flag. As for the connection between Celtic/United that was true in the 60's, 70's and 80's ( just listen to Rod Stewart's You're in my heart) and while there are still some who share that bond, the majority aren't bothered. Just as many Bears like United now because they hate the fact that LFC have cosied up with Celtic. Mates who are st holders @ Ibrox hate LFC now for various reasons. Most Gers have Chelsea as their English team.
@@KryptonitetoallBS yeah you're spot on about about Rangers and Chelsea, they've been very close as long as I can remember which is right back to the early 80's when those half/half bobble hats were bang in mode.
I have never got how folk from the southern Irish republic or those of that ilk from Northern Ireland support English clubs whilst hating our country.
I had the misfortune of being stranded in a boozer by Dundalk Station whilst England played Argentina during the 2002 World Cup. As Beckham stepped up to take that penalty I had Brendan Brains stood right next to me frothing out "miss it Beckham you English bar steward" whilst wearing that minging gold coloured Vodafone sponsored Man Utd away shirt of the time.
You wouldn't get any proud Englishmen and/or Loyalists following your Shamrock Rovers and your Bohemians if the League of Ireland was massively successful would you, proper muggy hypocrites as far as I'm concerned.
Did he actually say ' 4 people were stabbed including a Police Officer ' ?
The good old days ❤
Red army? Look like a bunch of skinny weedy kids who wouldn't say boo to a goose when on there own.hard men don't go looking for trouble with gangs to back them up
There was always the weedy fringe,same with every club.But the weedy fringe were the real fans who kept the sport going,not the loons.
Woke FA ..woke Southgate and Manchester City ruining football
bleats another of the sheep...
Big Frank with another header.
lol @ 13 buses. Not enough to take the boys pen at Elland Road, never mind the kop at any self respecting ground.
Back in the days when United actually had some fans from Manchester instead of London.
Stop talking bollocks. If you know anything at all about United you'd know the Cockney Reds went from the early 70's onwards.
Once Fergie started being successful many of the match going glory hunters came from the Greater Manchester area.
They didn't try. They did
85 it was almost over police were in control ,late 70s early 80s was the bollocks old bill didnt have a clue ,we were freelance just followed the definite games that were gonna kick off in the north ,every sat up at 6 for the train on the "persil" crack ,night games were proper naughty if you were stranded somewhere and missed train home .makes me laugh when i see young lads now risking jail just for stepping towards another suppoorter
Is that you Danny Dyre?
And not a mobile phone in sight. Those were the days ❤
Because there wasn't any back then...😂
Man Utd fans were by far the worse hooligans back in the 70’s & 80’s.
Liverpool fans were no angels, particularly in Europe, but then again Man Utd were rarely in Europe before 1992, which is just as well.
@steve-kl9iv ….Rome 1984.
European Cup Final, over 300 fans injured in rioting.
No casualties though.
These riots actually influenced what happened at Heysel 12 months later. The Italian Ultras were out for revenge, not just for the rioting, but for the way Liverpool rubbed their faces in the mud in their own backyard to claim their 4th European Cup.
Sadly, the revenge attempt by the Ultras went terribly wrong in Heysel.
Ask them how far they got.....not very....!!! But tbf utd always turned up at anfield...like we always turned up at OT.....!
At what point did they try this ? Just looks like they got a slap as usual!
They didn't soft lad, it's click bait.
Was on that train. Bus was wrecked and we were chucking seats out at the scousers 😅
return trip musta been comfy?
@@russell-di8jsyou know what, I can’t even remember journey home, bloody long time ago now that 😢
Used to be able to sup beers at h/t. o/Trafford used to sell 2 pint pots & we'd neck 2 of 'em on a good?bad day during h/t@@leehenry8608
The special train carrying fans were always wrecked. Cattle trucks they called them.
Cheerio cheerio! We came we saw we conquered
Bacon and dippers ☠️💩