When Aldershot went bust,their last ever game was at Ninian Park. The Cardiff firms and fans were superb-had a bucket collection for the Aldershot players were great to the Aldershot fans. Hard-yes-you dont mess with them,but with hearts and a genuine support for what Footballs all about ;110%.
Was there for that too We won 2-0 I think (but cos Aldershot went bust our result was void come the end of season along with everyother Aldershot mstch) Surreal match, us clapping the Aldershot players
@@littlephilly7537 You're right it was 2-0 to Bluebirds(a double as you did us 2-1 at the Rec) and all our results were expunged. The Cardiff chairman at the time paid for the Shots to come and play the fixture which actually was a great gesture as he tried to buy us time but it wasn't to be. A real killer when your club goes-reforming and all that just isn't the same. Everyone knew about the Cardiff firms-no one messed with them and TBH any hassle at Aldershot was always Portsmouth fans,nothing to do with Shots-but we'd get it in the neck!! but outside of holding their own there was this game v Shots,March 1992 and as I say Cardiff firms/fans were superb boosting respect to way over 100% on every front.
I was at both home and away aldershot games that season the away was a Friday night and Paul Millar scored a 25 yard screamer. Sadly for us both results were chalked off even sadder for Aldershot fans that year. Oh and Chelsea didn't take the home end in 85 , every other part of the ground I grant you but not the bobbank.
been to all the grounds mentioned and I'm happy to report I'm alive and well, back in the day you could get a kicking at most grounds if you was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I was at Arsenal in 79 when we had all the clock end and half the Northbank.Spurs really took the piss that night with hundred of gooners running on the pitch to save their lives.Always easy for us Highbury..I’m 62 and i still remember that night.COYS.
I was a One Man "Army"on the pitch at Highbury for a midweek game against my Millwall in The 1980's. I came adorned in my City suit after work and the Millwall (Clock) End was packed solid to I came n the North Bank, climbed onto the pitch and walked towards the Away End waving and gesturing, occasionally,to imaginary "colleagues" over to the stand to the righy of The North Bank as if I as an Official. When I reached the Away End,I displayed my Millwall scarf and got let in:)
I went to see my club at most of these grounds back then. You had to have your wits about you, and there was always the hint of trouble in the atmoshere, sometimes fights did break out here and there but I always returned home unscathed. I think your figures for percentage chance of avoiding such stuff are a tad overstated.
@@RockinRedRover - Hello mate. I've often felt an overarching interest (a lifelong obsession) in music scenes might have spared me the ignominy of this pastime but in truth I've never had that herd mentality and despised first generation 'casuals' - purely on the basis they were pushed by the media as a contemporary '80s cultural staple, which was an anathema to me. Ditto 'Only Fools and Horses' - notwithstanding the odd witticism, a social commentary as repressed as any Carry On film romantic sub-plot. Sue me. Toward the end of the '80s I reluctantly descended into the 'real world' of full time employment and warmed to some of these lads as I worked and socialised with them. Even attended a few football matches with one work mate and his brothers - who by this time had attained an equilibrium of reason regarding rock-a-hula-ganism activity and accumulation of court fines. We were probably quite a motley looking bunch, which might have saved us being drawn into ambush challenges. I do recall one character stepping out from nowhere to ask us the time but we were that deep in the maze of home town alleyways it was a bit of a daft question. Which reminds me of the time I attended a game as a neutral and joined the Geordies in the away stand purely for purposes of a quick getaway. Like reversing into a parking space. Well, that and the fact the stewards and police turned me away from the adjoining Bristol City stand and gestured me to join the throng of fellow late arrivals. There's no way I could remotely do justice to either accent but I suppose I had my acclaimed Worzel Gummidge impression up my sleeve in case of one contingency. Newcastle were holding a 2-1 lead into injury time. A couple of Geordie lads noticed me glance at my watch and asked me how much time left. This was my cue. A-hem. "A CUP O' TEA AN' A SLICE O' CAKE, ME DEARS." Only joking. I made out as though to squint at my watch in the dusk and the ref blew the full time whistle. Many thanks to that fine fellow in the black. Johnny Cash. Which further reminds me of the time I visited a sister straight after work and stood resplendent in workwear (including a pair of Sunderland shorts) while awaiting the late train home. As the train approached the platform it was noticeably full and as it pulled up it was noticeably full of Newcastle supporters. Devon leg of their pre-season tour. Rowlocks to it, I wasn't going to hang around for the next train. I embarked - and marched straight up through the carriage. To the evident consternation of some fellow travellers. WTF was I thinking, you might ask. Ain't got a F-ing clue, I might admit. I could go on but I already have. The potential for trouble could be lurking at any time, at any place, so you may as well have your humour about you if not your wits.
@@herbert9241 hi, not a clue why you feel the need to regale me in quite such a thorough manner, altho I found it both interesting and enjoyable, so thanks anyway. Fwiw we seem to have a little in common, insofar as I'm also obsessed with music scenes, and do what I like without following the herd. Plus I've invariably travelled alone to football matches, sometimes as a neutral but usually not, and often to away clubs with larger and far more violent supports than my own. Like you I developed a second sense for spotting and so hopefully avoiding trouble at several clubs, including Bristol City who I despise on many levels. I agree there was always a chance for trouble, I saw a fair share of it, and sadly it was often SO out of place and pointless given the actual match circumstances, but as they say in my homeland, every village has an idiot... But, I believe my original point is still correct, while I was replying to the poster GeorgeRobey saying that he was correct, and the OP's headline about the "fear of dying" was complete nonsense.
@@RockinRedRover - Those rascals over the bridge - I think I get your drift. Succinctness is a virtue which has always eluded me but I'm getting there paragraph-by-paragraph. By-paragraph-by-paragraph-by-paragraph-by-paragraph-by-paragraph. I understand my sub-Dickensian prosaic meandering is sometimes the harbinger of annoyance, and that's grist to the very much mill, but we've reciprocated greetings under music uploads before so I rather leaned on our old school cravate connection in assuming my humour's not lost on you as it might be on some of these unfortunate street urchins. Agreed with both of you on the questionable science behind the fear-of-death-o-meter. Death is one of my old nicknames in certain quarters (where I don't particularly care to revisit), for starters, and I wouldn't hurt a fly. Well, strictly speaking, I am given to dispatching flies in hand-to-hand combat - but in the broad scheme of things I subscribe to the creed 'don't walk on my food with excrement on your feet and we'll get along fine.' Which pretty much covers everyone with the exception of flies. And Bristolians. Hoho! Just a throwaway gag owing to context. I've known many stout fellows and amicable ladies from that strange city.
@@herbert9241 apologies ! - I'm very old and have forgotten we've met in the past, but yes I do admire and enjoy your enthusiastic wit and fine prose - are you a journo by chance, and if not why not ?. But saying that, yoiu'd be wasted if sources of info like the BBC News webpages are anything to go by. As for Bristolians in general, like you I don't have a beef with most of them, I have old friends and close family living there (none actually from there mynde) and I have no problems with MOST of those who are born Bristles, espcially those associated with the county cricket club. Or even the Rovers, shame Eastville's gone... (btw my username reflects my Rover car, NOT the Gas). Its just the antics and opinions of some of the City "fans" I despise, especially back in the 80s n 90s when they were enjoying times in the lower leagues when they thought they were big fishes in smaller ponds. Atb RRR.
@@charlesgarrett3283 absolutely. When you watch old programmes like the Sweeney that really gives you a perspective on what is what like back then, right down to how people spoke which kind of reflected their surroundings. Obviously there was some lovely quaint, gentle places around too, but most of the cities and lot of the towns were proper hard places. Different kind of rules back then also, if you didn’t screw with people you’d generally be all right.
Would agree with your assessments as a Leeds fan. Been to most of the grounds mentioned including Maine Road three times and ended up getting "slapped around" three times. That's one hat-trick I could have done without.
Same hear, those alleyways on one side of the ground at Maine Road were a common battle ground, we Leeds had around 100 of us wedged in one with hundreds of man City it was quite comical trying to fight.
Millwall, Upton Park , Forest , Stamford Bridge , Old Trafford , Boro , Sunderland , Burnley , Stoke etc etc most grounds were scary in the 70’s if you were young. I’d have to add Spurs , Brum etc to that too
Sunderland fan...went to all them grounds in the 70's...except Upton Park. I'd heard too much about the 'chicken run' and just bottled it! That was in 78 and was the only away game I didn't get to that season!
Plymouth away night game. Trust me it will go no matter who you are i went there back in the 8os about 87/88 with Arsenals boys. and it went off as soon as we got there in the carpark and that small wood that we walked through to the away end. cup game 6-1.
ManU were the most hated club for Tottenham in 70s and huge mobs turned out for them, and huge ManU support usually 7k min.....this made for carnage. We usually won at WHL but only turned up OT 78 where we didn't do much. Credit to ManU they never hid and by late 70s their mob reduced in size but were better. To be fair other than ManU no credible Northern mob turned up WHL and ManU were way superior to Millwall, Chelsea and Arsenal. The only firm that came looking for it were WHU with the rest it was usually a game of hunt the hiding Cunts. Even with WHU they were ok with the lesser Spurs but against Spurs elite pretty ordinary.
Been pretty much all the grounds in London as a Chelsea fan in the 70's as a young kid, Millwall 77 at the Old Den was probably the worst out of the lot, and to be honest not a lot of Chelsea use to show at West ham in the 70's I think it was coz West ham's Mile End Mob seemed so much older, they were like grizzly's!!Tottenham had a good mob in the 70's and I was there in the infamous game when they put us down when there was fighting on the pitch, West ham always showed at Chelsea and were always in the Shed, Millwall had a go but were run out and I must admit Forest use to bring a good firm down in the 70's
No mention of Stoke City's Boothen End, 3rd. match of the 67/68 season my second time there, bleedin' carnage. Didn't get much better in the 70's either, although only went a couple of times as in different divisions.
Stoke always been a top firm, but only with N40 did they really get organised. Man Utd had half of the Boothen one season through sheer numbers. Wolves were in there one season, around 1000 of them. It was carnage and I remember reading that 7 Stoke fans were stabbed. Think a few London teams also been in there. Always been a really feisty game the old Staffs derby and going past the graveyard afterwards was always where it kicked off afterwards.
I agree, the WHU ICF were the best, but what a stupid era of us all beating each other or running each others ends. Nowadays it is the corporate packages and prison sentences whilst the opposition to this takes hold.
I was surprised Southampton never got a mention. Unfortunately my Mum and Dad decided to move there from South London when I was 12 (1976). Saw far trouble more there, than I ever did in Lambeth. We lived 5min from there old ground, 'The Dell'. Seemed to have a major tear-up with every home again.
The firms talked about are out on the dates. The Leeds service crew were 80s in my understanding. The Zulu's were 80s too i think. Giving names to your mob was a later thing.
The only team that always brought it to Cardiff in the 70,s 80,s were Chelsea,but they never took the Bob Bank in 84 but they certainly tried that day,anybody who was there will remember the hot dog van rocking that day
Leicester's Filbert Street was also a nasty, intimidating ground to visit. Absolutely vile fans. Derby's Baseball Ground was also pretty rough. Old Den and definitely Ninian Park was the worse.
Agreed about Maine Road, during 1970s to 1980s hundreds of local coloured youths always waiting outside of Kippax’s away gates to beat up any away fans, sometimes they chased me to rob me even I’m City fan! Happy days.
Mixed Raced lads robbing you? Who knew? My first experience, near Brixton,S E London with a Mixed Heritage youth was with "Clint" and his Black accomplish who mugged me for 2 OLD Pence(1 new P." in 1967/68 and I told them that I lived in East London and they gave me a Penny refund to get home. What a lovely gesture.😀
Travelling away in the 70's, pre segregation, wasn't for the faint hearted. All away fans were fair game and wearing a scarf was like putting a target on your back. As a kid i felt sorry for away fans getting battered in the Clive road corner at Ayresome. The police were clueless.
@britishqueen94 most of the bizzies at Everton in the 70s were evil, blackbeard is one who springs to mind,but a lot of them were also Everton fans and would often club the away fans and let the park end scallies steam into them at the same time, only man utd and the Geordie bastards turned up in numbers, most away fans wouldn't go near the place for fear of having their arses slashed to ribbons!
@@britishqueen94The Police weren't Cowards back then like it seems today yer I don't people marching - but he Cops did get stuck in and heard they took a few beatings as well so perhaps You should Assume some more .
@@jamescorlett5272 Depends who the OB were up against? OB were absolutely ruthless and fearless against white working class and still are, likewise the white working class treated the OB with reverence. Not so with Blacks or now Muz the OB treated them with respect. I lived near Broadwater Farm. If OB got cheeky with them they would attack hence 85 and 2011 riots. Even then the cause of these riots were CID not PC Plod...PC Plod faced the backlash on the street whereas CID fucked off and hid in offices Everywhere in N London every 10 yards there was a uniform the day after 85 and many police vans....you had to be there to see what blokes look like shitting their pants out of fear. So I disagree with you OB back than were brave
@britishqueen94 I was on my bike ( bicycle ) the other day the day after the election and for some reason I said to said plod " my Labour move quick " and said " it's just like ì was young again " the cop says " you don't look a day over 50 " I'm 58 so the jokes on him daft flont .
@@Eel.666 Maybe in late 80s but not 70s- In the 70s numbers were king and it was all onto all and not simply a small firm onto another small firm- both Newcastle and Sunderland trumped Boro for numbers-heard Sunderland overrun the Holgate in 70s and most Sunderland of the 70s wld all admit that the top boys up North were Newcastle and Everton
@@Eel.666 Stoke are well regarded but in the 70s you would be laughed at if you said Stoke are good- having a hundred good Stoke would always get smashed by us,Spurs or ManU who would turn up in 1000s to overrun Stoke- 100 v 1000 you do the maths
true enough, Boro and Notts forest were the only ones who came to the den and had a go, i dont remember playing Newcastle, we were not good enough lolol
Alright mate. Was impressed with your knowledge about Rangers taking the Stretford End. Know someone who was there, never stops about it. And as a Hearts fan we took a couple of blocks in their govan Stand. Not their main Copeland but was a result considering the numbers.. Also although not inside the Den, I know the CCS (Hibs) tanked Millwall 93 or 94. Anyhow I enjoyed.
I am in my 8th decade. The Hibees was a friendly and no Millwall expected Hibs to show. Wasn't even a consideration so no Millwall early on though one understands that there were some late arrivals when word spread through South East London. Millwalllllllllll:)
Bit over the top with the dying comment, some smaller clubs worth a mention like Swindon, both Bristol clubs, Port Vale, Hull, Lincoln City, Cambridge, Bolton, just off the top of my head, could give you a nasty surprise. My top 5 would be Millwall, West Ham, Boro, Cardiff, Liverpool/Everton Portsmouth, from my personal experience being a away fan in the 70's and 80's
@Busybee65. You're quite right about smaller clubs pal. 1975/76, 2 post season friendlies on consecutive nights at Stafford Rangers and Great Harwood. Kicked off big time at both.
Went with Liverpool to Dundalk on the N,Ireland , border looking across South Armagh under a watch tower , to say it was a bit tense was a bit understated in the early round of the European cup early 80s
I remember a tale of a Man Utd fan who was chased near Lime Street (L'pool) he joined a bus queue and acted as if he was a local waiting for a bus. One scally was dubious when he spotted him and proceeded to ask him the hooligan question of choice 'got the time mate' to which he answered in a decent attempt at a scouse accent, our protagonist wasn't convinced, so he asked him where he was going. Unlucky for him a bus came round the corner heading to Fazakerley, and he made the mistake of pronouncing it Faza...curly. He didnt get on the bus, maybe that was as a good thing lol
@@palermothegoalgod-wd2wp Yes I remember being asked the time like that at QPR and replying about half past five in a very poor cockney accent to which the reply was something like you're Forest you lying Bas!!!d. Then quickly getting on the tube train and out of there.
OMG . The one question as an away fan you would dread and make your stomach sink? Hey mate have you got the time? Unless you could do accents , you knew what was coming next
Every football club throughout the UK , from the non league clubs to the very top , it’s all about ,your passion and loyalty to your town or city , county .and your mates
50 of us blackpool fans together for a cup match ,at old main road in kippax we took 6,000 but when us lads ,went out around the so called wild streets outside ,us 50 had a good luck for any city that wanted some ,even a posse of young governors thought about it ,from a few hundred yards away but nothing we went back to ,blackpool unscathed lol.
@mickharrison9004...Blackpool?..😂...they couldn't even defend their own ground never mind Maine Road!!!. Been 3 times to bloomfield road and Blackpool fans ran every time!... 😂
@@englanduk6131 was that 3 times in the 80 s ,cos if it was your a lying twt our mob from main estate ,never ran and around 100 of us were always in town ,from around 10 am looking for away fans I wonder what era your on about ,and I'll say it again after that night cup match main road in 80 s ,after match around 50 of us were looking for a row ,singing fkn around but no city wanted to know you haven't got a fkn clue .
@@mickharrison9004 you writing "fkn" makes you appear hard?... Blackpool was full of City every time we went there and your mob never and I mean never turned up... Are you sure you don't mean 10 pm.... after we'd all gone home? 😏
@@englanduk6131 don't spose you took into account either that your third biggest city ,in the country and we're a small town man for man your fk all to us .
Visited all those grounds in the 70’s and 80’s, all rough as fuck😂 Never saw Arsenal or Spurs take the shed at Chelsea or even try TBH. A couple of times West Ham got a lot in early and held the shed middle for a while, but once the ground filled up and some of the North Bank crew got involved, they didn’t stay there long. Personally I had the roughest days at Spurs, Liverpool, Leicester, Newcastle and Leeds. I probably got lucky at West Ham and Millwall🤣
Remember you were all over the Den to batter Ipswich 78.....but went missing against us Spurs the same season despite giving it the bollox on Panorama what you were going to do to us....The only Wall who I saw all day was about 50 outside Ilderton after the game who got run 1 mile to NewX , even then you needed OB to rescue you at NewX otherwise we wld have kept runnings you. We walked to Elephant from NewX no sign of Wall?
The Police directed them into Gwladys Street and having just watched other related videos,it seems the police were coercive to the Everton lads back then.
@philwoolin6470 Are you talking 3rd. round FA Cup? That was mayhem, although I got back to the car unscathed. My first time at that shit hole was 1967, couple of weeks later in the 6th round FA Cup. We took the newly opened Kop in the 1969 Charity Shield but all through the 60's 70's 80's Elland Road was an 'orrible place to go.
Yep? And you lot took a right good slap everytime you came to Maine Rd - Even the other Leeds fan said it, 3 times at Maine road and 3 slappings….at least tell on the full story mate. City had a more than decent firm during the Cool Cat, Mayne Line, Governors and Young Governors era - Not since then though, full of goons who dress like students with snide adidas that no one else will wear from Wyndsors and give themselves stupid names like blazing squad
I was there as a ten year old City fan with my dad and uncle, I still remember that the Leeds "firm" were battering old men, women and children, my old man had to throw me over a fence while he dealt with a couple of the fucking Yorkshire bastards.
@DavidUKesb Don't remember him showing up at Goodison, but Forrest did the season they came up and beat us 6:2 first game from memory... went off after that game
Nice that you mentioned MR Scaratt. Taken to soon !, Guilty of being a young mam of the time. Who enjoyed football,or the hooligan side of things to be fair. Either way such a shame.Im going to leave it there . R.I.P PAUL SCARATT. gone but never forgotten ...
It is true that the South Bank Molineux was the Wolves end, when Chelsea left early and went in to the kids enclosure of the North Bank, when the North Bank was no longer the Wolves end, where their firm was, however, Chelsea didn't even take the North Bank, they came in the corner at the end of the match, some kids went on the pitch, but Chelsea didn't make headway in the North Bank, eventhough that was no longer the Wolves main firm end. They soon left and the South Bank went round and caught the Chelsea fans by Saint Peters Church and Wolves battered Chelsea. I would rate Millwall and Middlesbrough top and always found that Spurs were better than West Ham and Chelsea.
Thanks for the endorsement for Spurs we were better than WHU outside London but you will find most Spurs would acknowledge WHU we're better than us in London. For me Chelsea and Millwall weren't worth a wank. Arsenal were better an underrated firm but Highbury had no fear factor. Spurs had some decent boys in Midlands especially around Wolverhampton. The uniqueness of WHU was at UP didn't matter how many you came with they would attack and no part of UP was safe.
I've been to most of theses grounds and really didn't see much trouble,then again was late 70's early 80's,with city ,spurs was always a good day out down on the service train then into the pub next to the seven sisters tube then bus ride down to the ground ,one year the bus got bricked so we all got out and it kicked off ,the old bill cornered most of us city fans and marched up back to seven sisters followed by some yid army, coppers took us all the way back to euston pissed off as we won the match 2-0 or 2-1 baker scored both if i remember rightly
@@dazlebluefrogify You must have serious memory issues never saw City at WHL the only city that showed at WHL was lead by the mad cow with the Bell. Doubt you went into the pub by 7 sisters as that was the Bull main Spurs firm pub and you wouldn't have survived.
@@britishqueen94Maybe it's you with the memory loss I've been to WHL a few times in the late 70s with City and it's kicked off quite often but I do remember spurs trying to take the kippax once and were gathering at the top of the stand, they started to sing but that was a big mistake... City chased them down the kippax stairs and the cops had to allow them into the spurs end next to the platt lane end... We chased them all over Moss side after the game! 😁
@@englanduk6131 No memory loss here we took the Kippax 76 with 200....you won 5-0 and relegated us although you missed out on the league. You could never run us...at least you're admitted we came in Kippax whilst the rest of u deny it. We fought you all match and u couldn't remove us. A city channel acknowledges this mcfc videos. Repeat only City that came to WHL was your mad cow with the bell
Respect to Big Helen Turner the lady with bell,who passed away in 2005 aged 85. A massive blue, she was of her time. Used to sell flowers outside Manchester Royal Infirmary. Great times back in the 70's going to away games, although City always had a superior home record, but I recall there was no real segregation at other grounds,so it was rough to say the least, Leeds and Anfield were the worst. Most memorable experience was when we beat the Rags 1-0 with a Denis Law backheeler and surviving the pitch invasion thereafter. Went to all the London grounds. In my view West Ham had a decent feel to it, proper supporters, more like a northern club in my view. CTWD
@@britishqueen94 I clearly remember it, I was there..... I was stood in the middle of the kippax and heard some City fans shouting that spurs are coming up the stairs, the kippax was the length of the ground, not behind a goal as every other grounds "end" usually was........ Then the spurs boys started mouthing off and singing!... They weren't singing for long as the City boys pushed through the "shirts" to get at them, we chased them down the high steps with quite a few of the spurs boys falling in the rush to get down and the cops were going crazy at both sets of fans, the spurs fans ended up in the far right of the kippax which was alloted for the away fans at the time!!... Happy days! 😁
@@gavinellis4359 I remember going there with Forest about 1976. On the way back to the station there was a group of about 50 forest and there may have been a bus station near by and around 200 Cardiff came out and blocked our way I remember thinking oh shit then someone shouted England and we charged strait through them into the train station I think our group were lucky to get away that day.
As a Millwall fan,I got caught up with the Home fans which included Skinhead Girls, as I recall, on the way back to the station and the two of us ran with them until we parted at the station. The 'ardiff Boys must of thought we were lunatics as we were the only two of the chasing mob to go right to the station where we explained that we were Millwall and got let onto the train. lol
As a young fan in the early 80s went all over with man city..i see comments on herr that make me piss Blackpool. Nottingham forest to name a few..the biggest ball testers i remember was ...Chelsea..West Ham..Everton..Leeds and it kills me to say it Man Utd had the biggest firm I've seen...good old day's.
James I used to go in the kippax at the top near the away fans ,and when city were not playing well ,a city fan don't know his name he would shout ,Every one sit down on the steps ,and strangely enough everybody did including me ,don't know who he was though
@@kevinstones9326 I would normally be at the bottom in front of the tunnel next to the bottom half of the cage where only certain teams would fill it..Great time to be a fan.
Away fans coming to Liverpool were put into the Anfield Road End (the Anny Road) where a nasty mob were usually waiting for them. But by the late 70s, the coppers had it boxed off, thanks to one copper in particular, whose nick-name was 'black beard.' For those who never came across him, you were lucky. This fella was about 6 foot 5, about 6 foot 5 wide, and had a black beard, hence his nick name. Whenever there was a kick-off, black beard would pile in, often on his own. I've seen him pick two scrapping lads up by the scruff of their necks and he hurled them down the terracing towards a few waiting coppers who then frog-marched them out of the ground. Quite often, Anny Road lads would taunt away fans by singing, 'Black beard's gonna get yer, Black beard's gonna get yer .....' They would laugh, jeer, and mock, only to run like fuck when this man-mountain suddenly appeared waving his headache stick around. As many have already commented, the 1970s and 80s were a very dodgy time to follow your team to away games. You had to be prepared to fight. You didn't have to go looking for it, it came to you, even at places where you wouldn't expect trouble. Any away fans remember 'Black beard' in the Anny Road End?
Didn't make Anfield (with MUFC) until the 80's, so never 'met' Blackbeard! But he sounds remarkably like a copper that used to patrol outside Yates's in Nottingham in the early 80's when I was a student there. Same dimensions, with a wooden police stick, bigger than a truncheon, more like a staff. Must have been a recruitment policy back in the day!
Yep I remember him, the standoff seconds before 2 mobs get into it I saw BB steam into the middle cracking the heads of ppl stupid enough to get close. He did have a mate tho, cop with a biggish broken nose. Do you remember him?
Went to all of these grounds late 70's early 80's , worst away was Newcastle in the after game holding pens , bit naughty at Chelsea but the rest all ok , As a Luton fan the rougher days came after the Luton away fan ban. In the mid 80's all away games were dodgy for Luton fans probably more hated than Millwall then & not for our reputation.
I remember the mid 1970s when I watched Liverpool away at Manchester City when we got ambushed by City mob outside the ground after the match .I was 18 at the time,and I was lucky to get out alive.
Said it numerous times, most hostile clicky ground in the UK I ever experienced personally was Boro in the late 80’s. Far more intimidating than what Chelsea, whu, Geordies, Mackems, Scousers or Mancs were back then as far as I’m concerned.
Remember at leeds as a chap we were beaten 5 -1,but the leeds fans still weren't happy and smashed nearly every window in the coach on the way out of the coach park ...fun times 😮
Rangers never came in the Stretford End in 74. They were kept in the Scoreboard End at the finish to let everyone else get away! I was there - they were nutters.
Stoke City was easy in the sixties/seventies for both Everton and Liverpool. Outnumbered home supporters easily. Always took over the Victoria Pub outside the ground. Seen more as a home fixture in those days!
I love the way there pod's get stuff so wrong..West Ham at Boro was about 81/82..awesome firm..it wasn't long after this that the Frontline became organised.. Chelsea took the Holgate in 77 at about 1-30 ish..got buttered at the train station after the game..
You should do a video on most notorious hoolies. My top three (for what it's worth) would be 1. Paul Scarrott (Forest) 2. The General (Cambridge) 3. Paul Dodd (Carlisle)
You cannot be serious, unless you've only had experience in lower leagues. Babs and Eccles at Chelsea were known everywhere, as were Bill Gardner of West Ham, Sammy Skyse ( no idea of spelling) Spurs, but they were old style fighters, then along came Hickey at Chelsea, Mickey Francis at Man City and several others who had spells of notoriety. As far as I know that 'general' only had one good result when his little 'firm' battered a Chelsea mob of mums and dads wearing scarves, and Scarrott was an idiot whose mouth got him arrested far more often than his fists ever did.
Your forgetting the boothern end at the victoria ground was a nasty old ground , ninian park i went once felt uneasy leaving the house let alone there , been millwalls new ground the den & its toss
That was,as you say, our "new" ground of 31 years. lol The OLD Den was somewhat different and my first game there was to see my local team beat Hull City 5/1 on the 3rd of September,1962. In the 1970's ,as this video alluded to,even United never showed(180 apparently) having just taken 10,000 to Pompey and most Second Division grounds in that 1975/76 season.
Being a Chelsea Fan loved going to away games - then only Man Utd + Liverpool had more travelling away fans. Where ever you went there was trouble but I went for the football. I never thought I would get killed watching football but came close at The Den
@user-qq3viw4jm3d what the fuck are you on about? Pre segregation (first segregation - Anfield Rd Man U 1975) the only clubs who travelled in large numbers Liverpool ManU Everton Leeds.
Wolves didn't start mobbing up in the South Bank until 1975 and only went in there from the start of the game from 1976-77 season. NOT 1972. Man Utd was always a battle but at Molineux they never had it easy.
@OldWolflad You are right. Leeds, last match of 74/75 season. Ran them all over the South Bank. I'm going to have to do better checks on my content team.
@@oldschoolfootball Yes I remember that last game of 1974-1975 season, Doog's last game, and Leeds were preparing to play a European Final where they felt robbed. But that was only towards the end of the game when the North Bank mob came round with 15 minutes to go. The key thing here, is that a Wolves mob only started going in the South Bank next to away fans from the 'start of the matches' was 1976-77 and then for two seasons there was no fence and hence chaos. The date of 1976 is key because otherwise Leeds in 1971-1972 and Liverpool in 1975-76 will claim to have taken the South Bank, when in fact Wolves end on both occasions was still the North Bank at those points. Of course I readily admit, with 30,000 away fans in both games, a mob from the North Bank did not go round as was customary and try to battle the away fans. They would have got annihilated by sheer numbers.
@OldWolflad Good stuff mate. I agree apart from Wolves did go into the South Bank 75/76 but wasn't their main mob as you rightly state. The North Bank was still home end. West Ham claim to have taken the South Bank, not sure of the date, it maybe as you say, the 75 season when Wolves first started going in the South Bank. In his book Bill Gardner also claim they took the North Bank early seventies. I can't find any evidence of either. Any views on this?
@@oldschoolfootball Can't remember them taking the North Bank but I was young. The South Bank was a huge old terrace holding over 30,000 fans. Back in the top flight 1977-78 I went to the West Ham game in the South Bank you ask about and no way did they take it. However, someone I know says that West Ham ran Wolves at about 2.30pm on the South Bank, so that may be it. But a South Bank at 2.30pm and a South bank at 3pm were two entirely different beasts. As far as I am aware, no one tool the South bank by running Wolves out of it, when Wolves used it as a home end, that being from 1976-77 onwards. Generally non-hardcore fans and away fans mixed in there without trouble as the North Bank holding 7-8,000 was Wolves home end. To confirm, only from 1974-75 some Wolves fans started going from the North bank into the South bank towards the end of a game to confront away mobs, and this continued this continued into 1975-76 except when it was rammed with 30,000 scousers (:-. Critically, only from the start of 1976-77 (Div 2), did a sizeable Wolves mob 'start' games in the South Bank to confront away mobs, perhaps 2,000 - 3,000 lads, and then this rapidly increased from then on, and for two seasons there was no fence, well until just before the end of the season 1977-78 for games v Man Utd and Villa. Wolves still felt they were going in the away end, but away mobs may think they were going into Wolves 'main' home end, during that time. In 1976-77 (Div 2) the games v Forest, Leeds (again) in the FA Cup QF in front of 50,000, and Chelsea stand out.
@garytaylor-ty6xt I understand. I just don't have experience of Pompey although my contacts tell me horrible place. But didn't play the big firms often enough for me. When they did, they were overrun. Arsenal and Chelsea spring to mind!
@@oldschoolfootball yes from what I understand fratton park could be pretty hostile for visiting fans on par probably with the den millwall just pure evil and being lost around them grounds could be dangerous indeed.
@@oldschoolfootball No the Police decided before the game to house Chelsea in the Trent End, the Forest lads were in the East Stand and it went off big time before, during and after the game, especially on Arkwright St.
No it was all ticket they were allocated the Trent end as were Man U. Southampton were put in the trent end in a F A cup game .About 200 Forest fans took Southamptons end at an away match at the Dell and stood behind the goal about 15 minutes be for the kick off in 1976 or 1977 there was no fighting Southampton backed off in to the corner and then forest were escorted out by the police over the pitch .They did throw lots of milk bottles at us going back to the train station.
Rangers at Wolverhampton in 1960 loads of trouble ,english media called the Rangers fans marauding huns supposedly the name stuck 😅.Newcastle 1969 again Rangers went nuts plus many others Barcelona,Dublin,Tottenhan,Osasuna,Manchester,Villa park again many others.
Well said and true ,even one of top firms at time boros Frontline ,brought 7,000 over to blackpool for match we fought them ,in town before match and then smashed around 200 boro ,who came into south stand were lads was in 80 s .
@@oldschoolfootball lucky for you that it was 70 s cos by the 80 s ,for the size of our town around 120,000 includes babies ,old people and girls ,we had 3 good mobs by then , probably not believe me but I'm old school from them times and remember it all , especially the best mob by far to come and have a go in 80 s by far was boro Frontline ,though our top 100 turned out in town waiting for them to come town ,in the morning we got a couple of em and they got smashed ,then by dinnertime thousands of em all over couple of our pubs ,got smashed up but not the famous castle pub near tower ,football pub to this day we was heading from town past it ,towards the ground and sent a couple of scouts into castle ,check for boro lol there were hundreds and we're straight out ,that's when most of us got sore faces a few ran but got shit ,from the lads later some of us got kicked on the ground ,but all made it to the match what you will find strange just nearby were ,3 cops stood against a wall not giving a shit about the mayhem lol ,then we got to Bloomfield Rd back then our side of kop ,had been closed a while strange they gave away fans it for many years after ,so we was in south stand two tiers so when our lot got in ,was about the time loads of boro were getting smashed in the higher tier ,then chucked down to us they all got a fierce beating blood everywhere back when ,still had fencing up round pitch they couldn't get anywhere bet they wished hadn't ,come our end same with Leeds fans at times people forget ,behind the prom lye some very rough areas in blackpool like revoe ,central drive ,south shore to name a few in these areas a lot of our young lads ,poor families hang out around holiday areas and end up fighting from a young age ,even these days when you come again you wouldn't find it as easy ,ask Burnley couple of years ago who've got a bit of a mob ,we was toe to toe with em some places smashed up again lol
@@Depak1959 there used to be large scale disorder on streets for those games and it barely made the local news. The police would declare it passed over peacefully with 'only' 50 arrests!
Not so much in the 70's but defo the 80's. Anfield was dodgy in the 70's but less so 80's. Boro was scary at night as was Sunderland. QPR was moody as well as Leeds. The 80's was more organised than the massive mobs of the 70's
@drover110 Went to Ayersome park during our cup marathon with boro. That park at the back of the away end was scary in the dark. Our car was parked in a pub carpark near by. Lying down in the back when a huge mob of boro walked through... all we has were spanners, hammers and balls 😁😁😁
@drover110 that's correct fella, the cup games and replays in the late 80s were horrific, neither side would back down, stabbings and slashings aplenty, but I still stand by my original comment, Everton and boro where the most evil places in the 70s,respect from the Gwladys Street end scallies 100pc scouse and proud of it 💙
I can remember Spurs taking the North Bank Highbury in 1982. I was in the Clock end and watched thousands of Spurs storm it and completely took it over. After that it was sectioned.
Not completely we fought you back that day.iwas behind the goal .where there was then a gap.and Old bill made lines.and 81.where we just about held the middle.and loads of you got escorted outby old bill.Yes you did get right behind the goal.76-80.But this completely taking it is nonsense.!
@@KevinBrown-b9c As a Spurs I agree with you. Can't comment about 82. Highbury though had never had a fear factor about it- Maybe because the nearest pubs to the ground are at quarter of mile away
@@britishqueen94 I was at the game in 82 at highbury. We won 3-1, a rare win, mickey hazard ran the game. We were all over the NB. The only resistance was from the OB. They battered a few spurs in the middle and kicked them out. 84 was where spurs got escorted out. That was the ticket for the NB game and also arsenal were really getting it together from then.
@@brickabat5113 I bow to your superior knowledge after 80/81 didn't go to any NLD after that. Did always turn up Manor House but never in the ground and Gooners were always missing from that appointed battle ground I think we have disagreed about my last NLD Aug 80. We were in NB but the Gooners had the covered part
Laughable not including the City Ground…….Forest were Absolutely way ahead of 3 quarters of these grounds..Wolves (in their words) received their worst away day battering at the City Ground…Cardiff,small fry back in the 70s never showed,likewise Stoke…Plymouth Argyle,1st match of the season 1975,brought one of best mobs I’ve seen at the City Ground,easily 6/7 thousand,big geezers too,all out the ground before half time…. I could name so many more,but 100% the 2 most lawless grounds in the Midlands were Birmingham City,and Forest.. I’ve no idea where you get your info from,but you obviously were not there back in the day…And no mention of Pompey..Laughable.
@@rebelcityred1624 I remember hearing about that game though I was not there It was said about 300 Plymouth fans many with green paint on there faces ran through Nottingham city centre before the game. So in the ground Forest ran across the pitch and chased them out of the ground. Plymouth fans had to climb down over the back of the old Cop stand Colwick road end to escape out of the ground.
@@rebelcityred1624 I think the league Cup final 1979/80 could also have been a bad day for Wolves. Forest's Mad Squad all wearing their green bomber jackets ran them all over out side wembley near the tube station before the game.
I went to the city ground in the 70's with Cardiff, and we won 1-0. There was only about 200 of us at the most, ( which was unusual, as we normally had a great following away). After we scored, Forest attacked us from all sides, and we nearly ended up on the pitch.😂😂😂
@@richardbrown8099 Yes I was at that game you got completely encircled and Forest fans attacked . I hope you were OK it looked very nasty. It was around 1975 then there was no segregation in the old East Stand they did the same thing to about 80 West Brom fans the game before Cardiff .So I think the police used a rope for a while until they could put up fences to make an away fans section .
Millwall Chelsea 95 at Stamford Bridge they got run all over west London, but top boys I'm Chelsea but a south London boy from elephant and Castle, most my pal's are Millwall ,top firm
This is my top five for numbers and organisation. Top five organization firms late 70s early 80s 1. Man utd 2. Chelsea 3. West ham 4. Leeds 5. Millwall. Top five numbers pillaging like vikings..1. man utd 2. Newcastle.3.chelsea .4. Leeds 5. Liverpool. 1990s..top organization firms 1. Chelsea 2. Man utd.3 Millwall. 4.Middleborough 5.stoke. by the 90s the pillaging was over and it was organization because of CCTV. Top firms by Organization 2000s 1. Man utd.2.chelsea3.stoke.4 . Cardiff 5. Middleborough. Firms that use knives and i think using tools is cowardly..1. scousers. 2 Millwall.3.zulus. 4. Chelsea .5 west ham. Most delusional 1. West ham claim to be undefeated.
First good thing I've heard about the Welsh But yer ì now Aldershot FC are out of it the League's But could get back in i promise if i Win a shed load ill get the Club going ( again ) if you still support em and still hopefully alive . And yer A Big Up to All Those Cardiff Supporters 🇬🇧 .
Bet Readings Elm Park isn’t in the top 50 but we did have a few moments in THE SOUTH BANK in the 70s remember Cardiff coming down and throwing coal at us!!!!!!!
Ever book out there only say ho wos top firms London west ham Chelsea spurs Millwall arsenal. Birmingham Cardiff Everton man utd. Leeds Boro Pompey. That's it there all could do you on there day. Little firm s the rest
what a load of rubbish. been to most of these grounds from1967 till well..now. seen the odd skirmish but not as a war zone as depicted. it wasn't that bad believe me.
@@peterwhitaker4038 who you were you with. I am Spurs if minnows turned up at WHL kept their mouths shut and lost you were left alone. ...however if you won and celebrated you would get fucked
@@britishqueen94 i was, and still am, Everton F.C. maybe that's why i didn't see much trouble around me bar the odd headbutting, stabbing and bit of bottle throwing but nothing that wasn't unusual in 1970's Merseyside you get that anyway at a wedding or funeral!
@@peterwhitaker4038 My first Everton match 75/6 at WHL heard or nor saw any Everton- we were up 3-O half time- second Half you scored and celebrated about 100- 200 and were promptly attacked and run on the pitch and removed from the ground.Good news for you you drawed 3-3 85 you beat us at WHL to go onto win the League and ruin or chances after the match your large support was attacked all the way to 7 sisters. 81 ambushed by us 81 on the tube which made the news. Seriously don't know how you are saying there was no trouble? 83 Fa cup at Goodison complete mayhem outside?
@@britishqueen9483 spurs where twatted all the way down scotty Road Everton turned out a mob of about 1,500 spurs shit it didn't even try to break away from their escort
When Aldershot went bust,their last ever game was at Ninian Park. The Cardiff firms and fans were superb-had a bucket collection for the Aldershot players were great to the Aldershot fans. Hard-yes-you dont mess with them,but with hearts and a genuine support for what Footballs all about ;110%.
I was there for that game matey, and we, each and every one of us Cardiff City fans were gutted for you.
Was there for that.
Was there for that too
We won 2-0 I think (but cos Aldershot went bust our result was void come the end of season along with everyother Aldershot mstch)
Surreal match, us clapping the Aldershot players
@@littlephilly7537 You're right it was 2-0 to Bluebirds(a double as you did us 2-1 at the Rec) and all our results were expunged. The Cardiff chairman at the time paid for the Shots to come and play the fixture which actually was a great gesture as he tried to buy us time but it wasn't to be. A real killer when your club goes-reforming and all that just isn't the same. Everyone knew about the Cardiff firms-no one messed with them and TBH any hassle at Aldershot was always Portsmouth fans,nothing to do with Shots-but we'd get it in the neck!! but outside of holding their own there was this game v Shots,March 1992 and as I say Cardiff firms/fans were superb boosting respect to way over 100% on every front.
I was at both home and away aldershot games that season the away was a Friday night and Paul Millar scored a 25 yard screamer. Sadly for us both results were chalked off even sadder for Aldershot fans that year. Oh and Chelsea didn't take the home end in 85 , every other part of the ground I grant you but not the bobbank.
I'd say every ground in 70s was tough as a young lad it was scary
Yes true, they would’ve chases & beat you up just walked past.
been to all the grounds mentioned and I'm happy to report I'm alive and well, back in the day you could get a kicking at most grounds if you was in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Numbers mattered back in the day, and Sunderland travelled in crazy numbers!...I remember 21000 travelling to Villa for a league game in 76...mental!
I was at Arsenal in 79 when we had all the clock end and half the Northbank.Spurs really took the piss that night with hundred of gooners running on the pitch to save their lives.Always easy for us Highbury..I’m 62 and i still remember that night.COYS.
Total bollocks !!! You’re getting senile in your old age !! Arsenal battered you at Highbury many times
😂😂😂😂 joker
@@ChubbBates-mh5xp there were a few years that spurs did have the entire corner of the northbank and used to have half clock and take the northbank
I was a One Man "Army"on the pitch at Highbury for a midweek game against my Millwall in The 1980's.
I came adorned in my City suit after work and the Millwall (Clock) End was packed solid to I came n the North Bank, climbed onto the pitch and walked towards the Away End waving and gesturing, occasionally,to imaginary "colleagues" over to the stand to the righy of The North Bank as if I as an Official.
When I reached the Away End,I displayed my Millwall scarf and got let in:)
I went to see my club at most of these grounds back then.
You had to have your wits about you, and there was always the hint of trouble in the atmoshere, sometimes fights did break out here and there but I always returned home unscathed. I think your figures for percentage chance of avoiding such stuff are a tad overstated.
agree entirely - but never let the facts get in the way of a good "story" lol.
@@RockinRedRover - Hello mate. I've often felt an overarching interest (a lifelong obsession) in music scenes might have spared me the ignominy of this pastime but in truth I've never had that herd mentality and despised first generation 'casuals' - purely on the basis they were pushed by the media as a contemporary '80s cultural staple, which was an anathema to me. Ditto 'Only Fools and Horses' - notwithstanding the odd witticism, a social commentary as repressed as any Carry On film romantic sub-plot. Sue me.
Toward the end of the '80s I reluctantly descended into the 'real world' of full time employment and warmed to some of these lads as I worked and socialised with them. Even attended a few football matches with one work mate and his brothers - who by this time had attained an equilibrium of reason regarding rock-a-hula-ganism activity and accumulation of court fines. We were probably quite a motley looking bunch, which might have saved us being drawn into ambush challenges. I do recall one character stepping out from nowhere to ask us the time but we were that deep in the maze of home town alleyways it was a bit of a daft question.
Which reminds me of the time I attended a game as a neutral and joined the Geordies in the away stand purely for purposes of a quick getaway. Like reversing into a parking space. Well, that and the fact the stewards and police turned me away from the adjoining Bristol City stand and gestured me to join the throng of fellow late arrivals. There's no way I could remotely do justice to either accent but I suppose I had my acclaimed Worzel Gummidge impression up my sleeve in case of one contingency.
Newcastle were holding a 2-1 lead into injury time. A couple of Geordie lads noticed me glance at my watch and asked me how much time left. This was my cue. A-hem.
"A CUP O' TEA AN' A SLICE O' CAKE, ME DEARS."
Only joking. I made out as though to squint at my watch in the dusk and the ref blew the full time whistle. Many thanks to that fine fellow in the black. Johnny Cash.
Which further reminds me of the time I visited a sister straight after work and stood resplendent in workwear (including a pair of Sunderland shorts) while awaiting the late train home. As the train approached the platform it was noticeably full and as it pulled up it was noticeably full of Newcastle supporters. Devon leg of their pre-season tour. Rowlocks to it, I wasn't going to hang around for the next train. I embarked - and marched straight up through the carriage. To the evident consternation of some fellow travellers.
WTF was I thinking, you might ask. Ain't got a F-ing clue, I might admit.
I could go on but I already have. The potential for trouble could be lurking at any time, at any place, so you may as well have your humour about you if not your wits.
@@herbert9241 hi, not a clue why you feel the need to regale me in quite such a thorough manner, altho I found it both interesting and enjoyable, so thanks anyway. Fwiw we seem to have a little in common, insofar as I'm also obsessed with music scenes, and do what I like without following the herd. Plus I've invariably travelled alone to football matches, sometimes as a neutral but usually not, and often to away clubs with larger and far more violent supports than my own. Like you I developed a second sense for spotting and so hopefully avoiding trouble at several clubs, including Bristol City who I despise on many levels. I agree there was always a chance for trouble, I saw a fair share of it, and sadly it was often SO out of place and pointless given the actual match circumstances, but as they say in my homeland, every village has an idiot... But, I believe my original point is still correct, while I was replying to the poster GeorgeRobey saying that he was correct, and the OP's headline about the "fear of dying" was complete nonsense.
@@RockinRedRover - Those rascals over the bridge - I think I get your drift.
Succinctness is a virtue which has always eluded me but I'm getting there paragraph-by-paragraph. By-paragraph-by-paragraph-by-paragraph-by-paragraph-by-paragraph.
I understand my sub-Dickensian prosaic meandering is sometimes the harbinger of annoyance, and that's grist to the very much mill, but we've reciprocated greetings under music uploads before so I rather leaned on our old school cravate connection in assuming my humour's not lost on you as it might be on some of these unfortunate street urchins.
Agreed with both of you on the questionable science behind the fear-of-death-o-meter.
Death is one of my old nicknames in certain quarters (where I don't particularly care to revisit), for starters, and I wouldn't hurt a fly.
Well, strictly speaking, I am given to dispatching flies in hand-to-hand combat - but in the broad scheme of things I subscribe to the creed 'don't walk on my food with excrement on your feet and we'll get along fine.' Which pretty much covers everyone with the exception of flies. And Bristolians. Hoho! Just a throwaway gag owing to context. I've known many stout fellows and amicable ladies from that strange city.
@@herbert9241 apologies ! - I'm very old and have forgotten we've met in the past, but yes I do admire and enjoy your enthusiastic wit and fine prose - are you a journo by chance, and if not why not ?. But saying that, yoiu'd be wasted if sources of info like the BBC News webpages are anything to go by. As for Bristolians in general, like you I don't have a beef with most of them, I have old friends and close family living there (none actually from there mynde) and I have no problems with MOST of those who are born Bristles, espcially those associated with the county cricket club. Or even the Rovers, shame Eastville's gone... (btw my username reflects my Rover car, NOT the Gas). Its just the antics and opinions of some of the City "fans" I despise, especially back in the 80s n 90s when they were enjoying times in the lower leagues when they thought they were big fishes in smaller ponds. Atb RRR.
Middlesbrough always Middlesbrough hell hole scariest place in 70s 80s respect Everton fan
About Time Someone Told The Truth & Put West Ham # 1 (The Guvenors)
England was a hard, gritty place back in the 70’s. Nothing like it is today.
Times never change
Hard and gritty but fair. Not like the woke snowflakes that exist today.
@@charlesgarrett3283 absolutely. When you watch old programmes like the Sweeney that really gives you a perspective on what is what like back then, right down to how people spoke which kind of reflected their surroundings. Obviously there was some lovely quaint, gentle places around too, but most of the cities and lot of the towns were proper hard places. Different kind of rules back then also, if you didn’t screw with people you’d generally be all right.
Marshmallows
During 1970s it’s normal dads beat up their kids cause hooliganism in football.
Would of put ... Pompey & stoke city in the mix on that list ...
And Plymouth?
Would agree with your assessments as a Leeds fan. Been to most of the grounds mentioned including Maine Road three times and ended up getting "slapped around" three times. That's one hat-trick I could have done without.
Same hear, those alleyways on one side of the ground at Maine Road were a common battle ground, we Leeds had around 100 of us wedged in one with hundreds of man City it was quite comical trying to fight.
Millwall, Upton Park , Forest , Stamford Bridge , Old Trafford , Boro , Sunderland , Burnley , Stoke etc etc most grounds were scary in the 70’s if you were young. I’d have to add Spurs , Brum etc to that too
Sunderland fan...went to all them grounds in the 70's...except Upton Park. I'd heard too much about the 'chicken run' and just bottled it! That was in 78 and was the only away game I didn't get to that season!
Plymouth away night game. Trust me it will go no matter who you are i went there back in the 8os about 87/88 with Arsenals boys. and it went off as soon as we got there in the carpark and that small wood that we walked through to the away end. cup game 6-1.
I'm United. The Seven Sisters was mental.
ManU were the most hated club for Tottenham in 70s and huge mobs turned out for them, and huge ManU support usually 7k min.....this made for carnage.
We usually won at WHL but only turned up OT 78 where we didn't do much.
Credit to ManU they never hid and by late 70s their mob reduced in size but were better.
To be fair other than ManU no credible Northern mob turned up WHL and ManU were way superior to Millwall, Chelsea and Arsenal.
The only firm that came looking for it were WHU with the rest it was usually a game of hunt the hiding Cunts. Even with WHU they were ok with the lesser Spurs but against Spurs elite pretty ordinary.
Man U got done on the Holloway Rd at Arsenal a few times as well.
So...they didn't have far to return home?
@@zigzung5569 true but we always showed lots didn’t
@@redflag8970 Of course you showed half of your fans live in or around London.
In Scotland kicking about with rangers in the 70ts was brilliant never a dull moment
Been pretty much all the grounds in London as a Chelsea fan in the 70's as a young kid, Millwall 77 at the Old Den was probably the worst out of the lot, and to be honest not a lot of Chelsea use to show at West ham in the 70's I think it was coz West ham's Mile End Mob seemed so much older, they were like grizzly's!!Tottenham had a good mob in the 70's and I was there in the infamous game when they put us down when there was fighting on the pitch, West ham always showed at Chelsea and were always in the Shed, Millwall had a go but were run out and I must admit Forest use to bring a good firm down in the 70's
A rare thing. A sensible and honest comment in a UA-cam comment section. Nice one.
Forest,possibly the only non London firm to hammer Chelsea on their own turf…1975, Forest old skool ran em ragged….
@@rebelcityred1624keep pretending
Mile End Mob, that's a blast from the past,
@@rebelcityred1624 is that the same forest who Toor swimming lessons after we took the ground over you mug
No mention of Stoke City's Boothen End, 3rd. match of the 67/68 season my second time there, bleedin' carnage. Didn't get much better in the 70's either, although only went a couple of times as in different divisions.
Stoke always been a top firm, but only with N40 did they really get organised. Man Utd had half of the Boothen one season through sheer numbers. Wolves were in there one season, around 1000 of them. It was carnage and I remember reading that 7 Stoke fans were stabbed. Think a few London teams also been in there.
Always been a really feisty game the old Staffs derby and going past the graveyard afterwards was always where it kicked off afterwards.
I agree, the WHU ICF were the best, but what a stupid era of us all beating each other or running each others ends. Nowadays it is the corporate packages and prison sentences whilst the opposition to this takes hold.
@@ProfessorM-he9rl Yes your right at all seems so silly and pointless now yet we have given up our country with out a fight.
I was surprised Southampton never got a mention. Unfortunately my Mum and Dad decided to move there from South London when I was 12 (1976). Saw far trouble more there, than I ever did in Lambeth. We lived 5min from there old ground, 'The Dell'. Seemed to have a major tear-up with every home again.
@@pablow5985 where in south London mate
Was living in Kennington and my school was Fenstanton in Brixton.
@@pablow5985 cool fenstanton was my area I was bottom of Tulse Hill by the tavern went to rosendale and dunraven
Small world sometimes mate. I spent many happy days as a kid in Brockwell Park.
@@pablow5985 ye went there also but mostly Dulwich and Belair park I was ten in 76 so we probably crossed paths as kids.
The firms talked about are out on the dates. The Leeds service crew were 80s in my understanding. The Zulu's were 80s too i think. Giving names to your mob was a later thing.
the rubble and scrapyards round the den, naughty gaff, everton always felt bad, west ham on top ,more so 80,s....spurs always dodgy.
The only team that always brought it to Cardiff in the 70,s 80,s were Chelsea,but they never took the Bob Bank in 84 but they certainly tried that day,anybody who was there will remember the hot dog van rocking that day
Chelsea ran riot.
@@TheBostonR I won't argue with you fella it was a day that sticks in my mind to this day
I was in the bob bank in 1980 when Sunderland fans were in there, they were promoted and brought thousands
@@rjart4 I was there that day,,they brought the most away support I ever saw at Ninian Park,,they came on the Bob Bank but they got a good hiding
The Hot dog stand day was 81 Hickeys mob had a go at the bobbank but took a bit of a hiding hot dog stand went over and they went over the wall
Leicester's Filbert Street was also a nasty, intimidating ground to visit. Absolutely vile fans. Derby's Baseball Ground was also pretty rough. Old Den and definitely Ninian Park was the worse.
Agree....lots of tight little roads
Stoke City, The Old Firm, Derby, Blackpool, Cardiff, Leeds, Hull were all nasty places to go.
Middlesbrough....
Agreed about Maine Road, during 1970s to 1980s hundreds of local coloured youths always waiting outside of Kippax’s away gates to beat up any away fans, sometimes they chased me to rob me even I’m City fan! Happy days.
Mixed Raced lads robbing you? Who knew?
My first experience, near Brixton,S E London with a Mixed Heritage youth was with "Clint" and his Black accomplish who mugged me for 2 OLD Pence(1 new P." in 1967/68 and I told them that I lived in East London and they gave me a Penny refund to get home. What a lovely gesture.😀
The nearest thing to the old days was when the magnificent 7 Liverpool fans went up to the utd stand in old Trafford and unfold that banner
Travelling away in the 70's, pre segregation, wasn't for the faint hearted. All away fans were fair game and wearing a scarf was like putting a target on your back. As a kid i felt sorry for away fans getting battered in the Clive road corner at Ayresome. The police were clueless.
@@SIRDKA Spot on- but Police weren't clueless just didn't give a fuck, you seem to assume Police are there to protect the public what a load of Bollox
@britishqueen94 most of the bizzies at Everton in the 70s were evil, blackbeard is one who springs to mind,but a lot of them were also Everton fans and would often club the away fans and let the park end scallies steam into them at the same time, only man utd and the Geordie bastards turned up in numbers, most away fans wouldn't go near the place for fear of having their arses slashed to ribbons!
@@britishqueen94The Police weren't Cowards back then like it seems today yer I don't people marching - but he Cops did get stuck in and heard they took a few beatings as well so perhaps You should Assume some more .
@@jamescorlett5272 Depends who the OB were up against? OB were absolutely ruthless and fearless against white working class and still are, likewise the white working class treated the OB with reverence.
Not so with Blacks or now Muz the OB treated them with respect.
I lived near Broadwater Farm. If OB got cheeky with them they would attack hence 85 and 2011 riots. Even then the cause of these riots were CID not PC Plod...PC Plod faced the backlash on the street whereas CID fucked off and hid in offices
Everywhere in N London every 10 yards there was a uniform the day after 85 and many police vans....you had to be there to see what blokes look like shitting their pants out of fear.
So I disagree with you OB back than were brave
@britishqueen94 I was on my bike ( bicycle ) the other day the day after the election and for some reason I said to said plod " my Labour move quick " and said " it's just like ì was young again " the cop says " you don't look a day over 50 " I'm 58 so the jokes on him daft flont .
Newcastle and Boro top 5 in 70's beyond a shadow of a doubt.
All NE clubs were highly rated and I doubt Boro were above Sunderland
Boro had small mob but wer nasty,well put them ahead of Sunderland and Newcastle,for the size of there mob...EFC.👏@@britishqueen94
@@Eel.666 Maybe in late 80s but not 70s- In the 70s numbers were king and it was all onto all and not simply a small firm onto another small firm- both Newcastle and Sunderland trumped Boro for numbers-heard Sunderland overrun the Holgate in 70s and most Sunderland of the 70s wld all admit that the top boys up North were Newcastle and Everton
@@Eel.666 Stoke are well regarded but in the 70s you would be laughed at if you said Stoke are good- having a hundred good Stoke would always get smashed by us,Spurs or ManU who would turn up in 1000s to overrun Stoke- 100 v 1000 you do the maths
true enough, Boro and Notts forest were the only ones who came to the den and had a go, i dont remember playing Newcastle, we were not good enough lolol
Rangers never took the Stretford End in 74. They invaded the pitch before kick off but were turned back before they reached the half way line
Don't you mean the Stretford Lane End......LMFAO
That’s what I was lead to believe. This video got it wrong
Alright mate. Was impressed with your knowledge about Rangers taking the Stretford End. Know someone who was there, never stops about it. And as a Hearts fan we took a couple of blocks in their govan Stand. Not their main Copeland but was a result considering the numbers..
Also although not inside the Den, I know the CCS (Hibs) tanked Millwall 93 or 94. Anyhow I enjoyed.
I am in my 8th decade. The Hibees was a friendly and no Millwall expected Hibs to show. Wasn't even a consideration so no Millwall early on though one understands that there were some late arrivals when word spread through South East London.
Millwalllllllllll:)
Definitely wouldn’t take any of these out of the list but Ayresome Park should get a mention here
Dur. Watch again!
Bit over the top with the dying comment, some smaller clubs worth a mention like Swindon, both Bristol clubs, Port Vale, Hull, Lincoln City, Cambridge, Bolton, just off the top of my head, could give you a nasty surprise. My top 5 would be Millwall, West Ham, Boro, Cardiff, Liverpool/Everton Portsmouth, from my personal experience being a away fan in the 70's and 80's
No mention of Valley Parade in the 70's seems strange as very few away fans turned up due to the home fans reputation for violence.
@Busybee65. You're quite right about smaller clubs pal. 1975/76, 2 post season friendlies on consecutive nights at Stafford Rangers and Great Harwood. Kicked off big time at both.
I always rated Bristol rovers over Bristol city
BC I wouldn't even rate
Full stop
Went with Liverpool to Dundalk on the N,Ireland , border looking across South Armagh under a watch tower , to say it was a bit tense was a bit understated in the early round of the European cup early 80s
@@ellismeah8110 dundalk v linfield, a political/ soccer riot, the worst seen in the Republic
I remember a tale of a Man Utd fan who was chased near Lime Street (L'pool) he joined a bus queue and acted as if he was a local waiting for a bus. One scally was dubious when he spotted him and proceeded to ask him the hooligan question of choice 'got the time mate' to which he answered in a decent attempt at a scouse accent, our protagonist wasn't convinced, so he asked him where he was going. Unlucky for him a bus came round the corner heading to Fazakerley, and he made the mistake of pronouncing it Faza...curly. He didnt get on the bus, maybe that was as a good thing lol
@@palermothegoalgod-wd2wp Yes I remember being asked the time like that at QPR and replying about half past five in a very poor cockney accent to which the reply was something like you're Forest you lying Bas!!!d. Then quickly getting on the tube train and out of there.
OMG . The one question as an away fan you would dread and make your stomach sink? Hey mate have you got the time? Unless you could do accents , you knew what was coming next
Every football club throughout the UK , from the non league clubs to the very top , it’s all about ,your passion and loyalty to your town or city , county .and your mates
50 of us blackpool fans together for a cup match ,at old main road in kippax we took 6,000 but when us lads ,went out around the so called wild streets outside ,us 50 had a good luck for any city that wanted some ,even a posse of young governors thought about it ,from a few hundred yards away but nothing we went back to ,blackpool unscathed lol.
My mate John Sharman from Blackpool said you are a s hit bag and you always run away.
@mickharrison9004...Blackpool?..😂...they couldn't even defend their own ground never mind Maine Road!!!. Been 3 times to bloomfield road and Blackpool fans ran every time!... 😂
@@englanduk6131 was that 3 times in the 80 s ,cos if it was your a lying twt our mob from main estate ,never ran and around 100 of us were always in town ,from around 10 am looking for away fans I wonder what era your on about ,and I'll say it again after that night cup match main road in 80 s ,after match around 50 of us were looking for a row ,singing fkn around but no city wanted to know you haven't got a fkn clue .
@@mickharrison9004 you writing "fkn" makes you appear hard?... Blackpool was full of City every time we went there and your mob never and I mean never turned up... Are you sure you don't mean 10 pm.... after we'd all gone home? 😏
@@englanduk6131 don't spose you took into account either that your third biggest city ,in the country and we're a small town man for man your fk all to us .
Visited all those grounds in the 70’s and 80’s, all rough as fuck😂
Never saw Arsenal or Spurs take the shed at Chelsea or even try TBH. A couple of times West Ham got a lot in early and held the shed middle for a while, but once the ground filled up and some of the North Bank crew got involved, they didn’t stay there long.
Personally I had the roughest days at Spurs, Liverpool, Leicester, Newcastle and Leeds. I probably got lucky at West Ham and Millwall🤣
You didnt look close enough..
@@stevemercer5769 78 Spurs unsuccessfully tried for the Shed
The den was a very dangerous ground to go to
first away match on own 5 days in grenich hospital only 14 6 black faces bwfc
@@peterdavies8435 What year?
Remember you were all over the Den to batter Ipswich 78.....but went missing against us Spurs the same season despite giving it the bollox on Panorama what you were going to do to us....The only Wall who I saw all day was about 50 outside Ilderton after the game who got run 1 mile to NewX , even then you needed OB to rescue you at NewX otherwise we wld have kept runnings you.
We walked to Elephant from NewX no sign of Wall?
And the red-tops helped enormously.
True,I went with The Blades soon after a Millwall fan was killed in Sheffield,very dodgy
Boro top firm 👌 I'm Chelsea they are top firm
Sunderland took the Boro end in the 70's...I was in there.
@scoobyblue5300 always big numbers they don't get spoke about much chelsea had a good turn out at the old roker Park!%%%
I remember Tottenham fighting Arsenal in the Loft at QPR, late 70's.
That's quite a three way mix !!
Wrong again. Millwall got battered at Goodison in 72. There were a lot more than 7 stabbed aswell
The Police directed them into Gwladys Street and having just watched other related videos,it seems the police were coercive to the Everton lads back then.
REMEMBER MANCITY AT ELLAND RD 78 CITY TOOK A RIGHT BATTERING AND I MEAN A BATTERING LUFC ALAWMOT
@philwoolin6470 Are you talking 3rd. round FA Cup? That was mayhem, although I got back to the car unscathed. My first time at that shit hole was 1967, couple of weeks later in the 6th round FA Cup. We took the newly opened Kop in the 1969 Charity Shield but all through the 60's 70's 80's Elland Road was an 'orrible place to go.
City had huge numbers there....match is on You Tube.
@@Sergio-ig1xd city was taught a lesson that day fa cup 3rd round
Yep? And you lot took a right good slap everytime you came to Maine Rd - Even the other Leeds fan said it, 3 times at Maine road and 3 slappings….at least tell on the full story mate.
City had a more than decent firm during the Cool Cat, Mayne Line, Governors and Young Governors era - Not since then though, full of goons who dress like students with snide adidas that no one else will wear from Wyndsors and give themselves stupid names like blazing squad
I was there as a ten year old City fan with my dad and uncle, I still remember that the Leeds "firm" were battering old men, women and children, my old man had to throw me over a fence while he dealt with a couple of the fucking Yorkshire bastards.
Forest was a naughty ground to visit in the 70s, less so in the 80s but not many got the better of Forest in the 70s
With the legendary Paul Scarrott leading the disorder! The ultimate hoolie to which all others aspired.
@DavidUKesb Don't remember him showing up at Goodison, but Forrest did the season they came up and beat us 6:2 first game from memory... went off after that game
@@bluescousenilsatis 3 1 not 6.2.6 2 was united on boxing day.
True
Nice that you mentioned MR Scaratt. Taken to soon !, Guilty of being a young mam of the time. Who enjoyed football,or the hooligan side of things to be fair. Either way such a shame.Im going to leave it there . R.I.P PAUL SCARATT. gone but never forgotten ...
Went to Tottenham in the early 80s never so a Tottenham fan at full time or before the kickoff and Wednesday took a good following
It is true that the South Bank Molineux was the Wolves end, when Chelsea left early and went in to the kids enclosure of the North Bank, when the North Bank was no longer the Wolves end, where their firm was, however, Chelsea didn't even take the North Bank, they came in the corner at the end of the match, some kids went on the pitch, but Chelsea didn't make headway in the North Bank, eventhough that was no longer the Wolves main firm end. They soon left and the South Bank went round and caught the Chelsea fans by Saint Peters Church and Wolves battered Chelsea.
I would rate Millwall and Middlesbrough top and always found that Spurs were better than West Ham and Chelsea.
Thanks for the endorsement for Spurs we were better than WHU outside London but you will find most Spurs would acknowledge WHU we're better than us in London.
For me Chelsea and Millwall weren't worth a wank. Arsenal were better an underrated firm but Highbury had no fear factor.
Spurs had some decent boys in Midlands especially around Wolverhampton.
The uniqueness of WHU was at UP didn't matter how many you came with they would attack and no part of UP was safe.
I've been to most of theses grounds and really didn't see much trouble,then again was late 70's early 80's,with city ,spurs was always a good day out down on the service train then into the pub next to the seven sisters tube then bus ride down to the ground ,one year the bus got bricked so we all got out and it kicked off ,the old bill cornered most of us city fans and marched up back to seven sisters followed by some yid army, coppers took us all the way back to euston pissed off as we won the match 2-0 or 2-1 baker scored both if i remember rightly
@@dazlebluefrogify You must have serious memory issues never saw City at WHL the only city that showed at WHL was lead by the mad cow with the Bell.
Doubt you went into the pub by 7 sisters as that was the Bull main Spurs firm pub and you wouldn't have survived.
@@britishqueen94Maybe it's you with the memory loss I've been to WHL a few times in the late 70s with City and it's kicked off quite often but I do remember spurs trying to take the kippax once and were gathering at the top of the stand, they started to sing but that was a big mistake... City chased them down the kippax stairs and the cops had to allow them into the spurs end next to the platt lane end... We chased them all over Moss side after the game! 😁
@@englanduk6131 No memory loss here we took the Kippax 76 with 200....you won 5-0 and relegated us although you missed out on the league.
You could never run us...at least you're admitted we came in Kippax whilst the rest of u deny it.
We fought you all match and u couldn't remove us. A city channel acknowledges this mcfc videos.
Repeat only City that came to WHL was your mad cow with the bell
Respect to Big Helen Turner the lady with bell,who passed away in 2005 aged 85. A massive blue, she was of her time. Used to sell flowers outside Manchester Royal Infirmary. Great times back in the 70's going to away games, although City always had a superior home record, but I recall there was no real segregation at other grounds,so it was rough to say the least, Leeds and Anfield were the worst. Most memorable experience was when we beat the Rags 1-0 with a Denis Law backheeler and surviving the pitch invasion thereafter. Went to all the London grounds. In my view West Ham had a decent feel to it, proper supporters, more like a northern club in my view. CTWD
@@britishqueen94 I clearly remember it, I was there..... I was stood in the middle of the kippax and heard some City fans shouting that spurs are coming up the stairs, the kippax was the length of the ground, not behind a goal as every other grounds "end" usually was........ Then the spurs boys started mouthing off and singing!... They weren't singing for long as the City boys pushed through the "shirts" to get at them, we chased them down the high steps with quite a few of the spurs boys falling in the rush to get down and the cops were going crazy at both sets of fans, the spurs fans ended up in the far right of the kippax which was alloted for the away fans at the time!!... Happy days! 😁
Cardiff' city kicked anything that moved back then central station was like being in hell for visiting fans at 5 o clock on a Saturday night.
@@gavinellis4359 I remember going there with Forest about 1976. On the way back to the station there was a group of about 50 forest and there may have been a bus station near by and around 200 Cardiff came out and blocked our way I remember thinking oh shit then someone shouted England and we charged strait through them into the train station I think our group were lucky to get away that day.
As a Millwall fan,I got caught up with the Home fans which included Skinhead Girls, as I recall, on the way back to the station and the two of us ran with them until we parted at the station. The 'ardiff Boys must of thought we were lunatics as we were the only two of the chasing mob to go right to the station where we explained that we were Millwall and got let onto the train. lol
Forest always in top six in 79s at home and AWAY. For those in the know.
Presumably, those that didn't know are still in The Trent, somewhere.....:)
As a young fan in the early 80s went all over with man city..i see comments on herr that make me piss Blackpool. Nottingham forest to name a few..the biggest ball testers i remember was ...Chelsea..West Ham..Everton..Leeds and it kills me to say it Man Utd had the biggest firm I've seen...good old day's.
James I used to go in the kippax at the top near the away fans ,and when city were not playing well ,a city fan don't know his name he would shout ,Every one sit down on the steps ,and strangely enough everybody did including me ,don't know who he was though
@@kevinstones9326 I would normally be at the bottom in front of the tunnel next to the bottom half of the cage where only certain teams would fill it..Great time to be a fan.
Away fans coming to Liverpool were put into the Anfield Road End (the Anny Road) where a nasty mob were usually waiting for them. But by the late 70s, the coppers had it boxed off, thanks to one copper in particular, whose nick-name was 'black beard.'
For those who never came across him, you were lucky. This fella was about 6 foot 5, about 6 foot 5 wide, and had a black beard, hence his nick name.
Whenever there was a kick-off, black beard would pile in, often on his own. I've seen him pick two scrapping lads up by the scruff of their necks and he hurled them down the terracing towards a few waiting coppers who then frog-marched them out of the ground.
Quite often, Anny Road lads would taunt away fans by singing, 'Black beard's gonna get yer, Black beard's gonna get yer .....'
They would laugh, jeer, and mock, only to run like fuck when this man-mountain suddenly appeared waving his headache stick around.
As many have already commented, the 1970s and 80s were a very dodgy time to follow your team to away games. You had to be prepared to fight. You didn't have to go looking for it, it came to you, even at places where you wouldn't expect trouble.
Any away fans remember 'Black beard' in the Anny Road End?
Didn't make Anfield (with MUFC) until the 80's, so never 'met' Blackbeard! But he sounds remarkably like a copper that used to patrol outside Yates's in Nottingham in the early 80's when I was a student there. Same dimensions, with a wooden police stick, bigger than a truncheon, more like a staff. Must have been a recruitment policy back in the day!
Annie Road mob were dirty numpties, nuts bolts broken glass, darts and cups of piss
He was evil at Everton games as well
@@williambeck1574 Yes. All my bluenose mates used to tell me about him getting stuck in at the Park End. He was a Unit you didn't mess with.
Yep I remember him, the standoff seconds before 2 mobs get into it I saw BB steam into the middle cracking the heads of ppl stupid enough to get close. He did have a mate tho, cop with a biggish broken nose. Do you remember him?
Went to all of these grounds late 70's early 80's , worst away was Newcastle in the after game holding pens , bit naughty at Chelsea but the rest all ok , As a Luton fan the rougher days came after the Luton away fan ban. In the mid 80's all away games were dodgy for Luton fans probably more hated than Millwall then & not for our reputation.
I remember the mid 1970s when I watched Liverpool away at Manchester City when we got ambushed by City mob outside the ground after the match .I was 18 at the time,and I was lucky to get out alive.
Said it numerous times, most hostile clicky ground in the UK I ever experienced personally was Boro in the late 80’s. Far more intimidating than what Chelsea, whu, Geordies, Mackems, Scousers or Mancs were back then as far as I’m concerned.
Valley Parade was a nightmare for any away fans in the 70's.
As a Stockport fan I'll second that.
This is untrue about liverpool. I remember going in the 70s and it was usually leeds fans causing trouble.
You should read your leeds service crew book then it says different 😢
Remember at leeds as a chap we were beaten 5 -1,but the leeds fans still weren't happy and smashed nearly every window in the coach on the way out of the coach park ...fun times 😮
Rangers never came in the Stretford End in 74. They were kept in the Scoreboard End at the finish to let everyone else get away! I was there - they were nutters.
Stoke City was easy in the sixties/seventies for both Everton and Liverpool. Outnumbered home supporters easily. Always took over the Victoria Pub outside the ground. Seen more as a home fixture in those days!
I love the way there pod's get stuff so wrong..West Ham at Boro was about 81/82..awesome firm..it wasn't long after this that the Frontline became organised.. Chelsea took the Holgate in 77 at about 1-30 ish..got buttered at the train station after the game..
"Battered"
Sorry, who failed to go to a football match in the 70s because they would die?
You took your life in your own hands esp away games. The weapons there was no line & eventually in the 80’s for sure deaths happened.
@@BarkingLondonaway could be very dodgy even at places generally regarded small like Luton & Stoke
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze nobody
@@WilliamSmith-mx6ze not because they thought they would die but the game wasn’t worth being shit scared all day for many
@@glenmorgan4597Luton was bad . Went twice and got one hell of a booting in 1978
For fear of dying? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
is this Allan Partridge narrating?
Aha !!
Bollocks, you could get a kicking everywhere in the 70’s and 80’s.. UTFT
Remember stoke and leeds having a great go at the wolves south bank..I think 88/89 maybe season after...Great times lol
The good old days😂
You should do a video on most notorious hoolies. My top three (for what it's worth) would be 1. Paul Scarrott (Forest) 2. The General (Cambridge) 3. Paul Dodd (Carlisle)
You cannot be serious, unless you've only had experience in lower leagues.
Babs and Eccles at Chelsea were known everywhere, as were Bill Gardner of West Ham, Sammy Skyse ( no idea of spelling) Spurs, but they were old style fighters, then along came Hickey at Chelsea, Mickey Francis at Man City and several others who had spells of notoriety.
As far as I know that 'general' only had one good result when his little 'firm' battered a Chelsea mob of mums and dads wearing scarves, and Scarrott was an idiot whose mouth got him arrested far more often than his fists ever did.
Your forgetting the boothern end at the victoria ground was a nasty old ground , ninian park i went once felt uneasy leaving the house let alone there , been millwalls new ground the den & its toss
That was,as you say, our "new" ground of 31 years. lol
The OLD Den was somewhat different and my first game there was to see my local team beat Hull City 5/1 on the 3rd of September,1962.
In the 1970's ,as this video alluded to,even United never showed(180 apparently) having just taken 10,000 to Pompey and most Second Division grounds in that 1975/76 season.
"Its a long way to Cardiff Station its a long way to home"..yeah that got chanted every home match and it became reality for away fans..poor sods
Being a Chelsea Fan loved going to away games - then only Man Utd + Liverpool had more travelling away fans. Where ever you went there was trouble but I went for the football.
I never thought I would get killed watching football but came close at The Den
Liverpool? When are you on about. Most reds will say they didn't have a decent away crew in the seventies.
@user-qq3viw4jm3d what the fuck are you on about? Pre segregation (first segregation - Anfield Rd Man U 1975) the only clubs who travelled in large numbers Liverpool ManU Everton Leeds.
@@CarlMitchell-k7e I think he is talking about the amount of away "fans" rather than "crew"
Wolves didn't start mobbing up in the South Bank until 1975 and only went in there from the start of the game from 1976-77 season. NOT 1972. Man Utd was always a battle but at Molineux they never had it easy.
@OldWolflad You are right. Leeds, last match of 74/75 season. Ran them all over the South Bank. I'm going to have to do better checks on my content team.
@@oldschoolfootball Yes I remember that last game of 1974-1975 season, Doog's last game, and Leeds were preparing to play a European Final where they felt robbed. But that was only towards the end of the game when the North Bank mob came round with 15 minutes to go. The key thing here, is that a Wolves mob only started going in the South Bank next to away fans from the 'start of the matches' was 1976-77 and then for two seasons there was no fence and hence chaos. The date of 1976 is key because otherwise Leeds in 1971-1972 and Liverpool in 1975-76 will claim to have taken the South Bank, when in fact Wolves end on both occasions was still the North Bank at those points. Of course I readily admit, with 30,000 away fans in both games, a mob from the North Bank did not go round as was customary and try to battle the away fans. They would have got annihilated by sheer numbers.
@OldWolflad Good stuff mate. I agree apart from Wolves did go into the South Bank 75/76 but wasn't their main mob as you rightly state. The North Bank was still home end. West Ham claim to have taken the South Bank, not sure of the date, it maybe as you say, the 75 season when Wolves first started going in the South Bank. In his book Bill Gardner also claim they took the North Bank early seventies. I can't find any evidence of either. Any views on this?
@@oldschoolfootball Can't remember them taking the North Bank but I was young. The South Bank was a huge old terrace holding over 30,000 fans. Back in the top flight 1977-78 I went to the West Ham game in the South Bank you ask about and no way did they take it. However, someone I know says that West Ham ran Wolves at about 2.30pm on the South Bank, so that may be it. But a South Bank at 2.30pm and a South bank at 3pm were two entirely different beasts. As far as I am aware, no one tool the South bank by running Wolves out of it, when Wolves used it as a home end, that being from 1976-77 onwards.
Generally non-hardcore fans and away fans mixed in there without trouble as the North Bank holding 7-8,000 was Wolves home end.
To confirm, only from 1974-75 some Wolves fans started going from the North bank into the South bank towards the end of a game to confront away mobs, and this continued this continued into 1975-76 except when it was rammed with 30,000 scousers (:-.
Critically, only from the start of 1976-77 (Div 2), did a sizeable Wolves mob 'start' games in the South Bank to confront away mobs, perhaps 2,000 - 3,000 lads, and then this rapidly increased from then on, and for two seasons there was no fence, well until just before the end of the season 1977-78 for games v Man Utd and Villa. Wolves still felt they were going in the away end, but away mobs may think they were going into Wolves 'main' home end, during that time.
In 1976-77 (Div 2) the games v Forest, Leeds (again) in the FA Cup QF in front of 50,000, and Chelsea stand out.
Where's the 6.57 crew??? I read there book and apparently they were the top 5 crew????
I don't get it, no mention???? 🤔
@garytaylor-ty6xt I understand. I just don't have experience of Pompey although my contacts tell me horrible place. But didn't play the big firms often enough for me. When they did, they were overrun. Arsenal and Chelsea spring to mind!
@@oldschoolfootball yes from what I understand fratton park could be pretty hostile for visiting fans on par probably with the den millwall just pure evil and being lost around them grounds could be dangerous indeed.
Pompey where's your clock ?
@@littlephilly7537 the one that was in the Milton end that was ripped up by Cardiff 😁
1983
"Nottingham forest"!!!!
West ham running the boro front line? I don't think so pal 😅😅
I remember an field in the 70s.all their fans had beetles hair cuts and threw 1p and 2p coins at us.must of been all they could afford lol
Anfield. The Beatles.
Rangers tried but failed to take the stretford end they was quickly removed
Luton was a very very unpleasant place to go too.
I remember our coach had to drive back to Sunderland with half it's windows put out! It was bastard freezing!
Agreed. But didn't Chelsea take the Trent?
No. They were allocated the Trent End.
@@oldschoolfootball No the Police decided before the game to house Chelsea in the Trent End, the Forest lads were in the East Stand and it went off big time before, during and after the game, especially on Arkwright St.
Take the Trent where?
No it was all ticket they were allocated the Trent end as were Man U. Southampton were put in the trent end in a F A cup game .About 200 Forest fans took Southamptons end at an away match at the Dell and stood behind the goal about 15 minutes be for the kick off in 1976 or 1977 there was no fighting Southampton backed off in to the corner and then forest were escorted out by the police over the pitch .They did throw lots of milk bottles at us going back to the train station.
@@KevCassidy-es2qp I can verify this account.
Should do a top 10 of whose pigs were the biggest W⚓s...Definitely GMP, West Yorkshire (Leeds) and Gillbridge (sunlun) would be in it 🐽
Rangers at Wolverhampton in 1960 loads of trouble ,english media called the Rangers fans marauding huns supposedly the name stuck 😅.Newcastle 1969 again Rangers went nuts plus many others Barcelona,Dublin,Tottenhan,Osasuna,Manchester,Villa park again many others.
A day out in Blackpool wasn’t all bucket and spades , many firms have come a cropper in town and at Bloomfield Road .
Well said and true ,even one of top firms at time boros Frontline ,brought 7,000 over to blackpool for match we fought them ,in town before match and then smashed around 200 boro ,who came into south stand were lads was in 80 s .
@petermccormick1780 Wolves went there 76/77 and bossed the place. Ref stopped match because they created so much havoc!
@@oldschoolfootball lucky for you that it was 70 s cos by the 80 s ,for the size of our town around 120,000 includes babies ,old people and girls ,we had 3 good mobs by then , probably not believe me but I'm old school from them times and remember it all , especially the best mob by far to come and have a go in 80 s by far was boro Frontline ,though our top 100 turned out in town waiting for them to come town ,in the morning we got a couple of em and they got smashed ,then by dinnertime thousands of em all over couple of our pubs ,got smashed up but not the famous castle pub near tower ,football pub to this day we was heading from town past it ,towards the ground and sent a couple of scouts into castle ,check for boro lol there were hundreds and we're straight out ,that's when most of us got sore faces a few ran but got shit ,from the lads later some of us got kicked on the ground ,but all made it to the match what you will find strange just nearby were ,3 cops stood against a wall not giving a shit about the mayhem lol ,then we got to Bloomfield Rd back then our side of kop ,had been closed a while strange they gave away fans it for many years after ,so we was in south stand two tiers so when our lot got in ,was about the time loads of boro were getting smashed in the higher tier ,then chucked down to us they all got a fierce beating blood everywhere back when ,still had fencing up round pitch they couldn't get anywhere bet they wished hadn't ,come our end same with Leeds fans at times people forget ,behind the prom lye some very rough areas in blackpool like revoe ,central drive ,south shore to name a few in these areas a lot of our young lads ,poor families hang out around holiday areas and end up fighting from a young age ,even these days when you come again you wouldn't find it as easy ,ask Burnley couple of years ago who've got a bit of a mob ,we was toe to toe with em some places smashed up again lol
probs cos they were all pissed and falling about...
@@RobynMclafferty what fkn shite you talk laughable .
Had my only two rumbles following NUFC, inthe 70’s at AyrsomePark.
@@Depak1959 there used to be large scale disorder on streets for those games and it barely made the local news. The police would declare it passed over peacefully with 'only' 50 arrests!
@@SIRDKA haha no internet then thank god
That not a bad report . Fairly accurate although I don’t think Rangers took the Stretford end in 74
Leeds had to leave the ground for there own safety 😅
10% chance of surviving unscathed..old trafford :).... this has to be a comedy channel ...is the voice a robot
Everton sharp blade boys and the boro front line the 2 most evil firms in those days
Not so much in the 70's but defo the 80's. Anfield was dodgy in the 70's but less so 80's. Boro was scary at night as was Sunderland. QPR was moody as well as Leeds. The 80's was more organised than the massive mobs of the 70's
boro frontline were mid late 80's. Was Ayresome Angels in 70's I believe. Stanley knives was an 80's thing.
@drover110 Went to Ayersome park during our cup marathon with boro. That park at the back of the away end was scary in the dark. Our car was parked in a pub carpark near by. Lying down in the back when a huge mob of boro walked through... all we has were spanners, hammers and balls 😁😁😁
@drover110 that's correct fella, the cup games and replays in the late 80s were horrific, neither side would back down, stabbings and slashings aplenty, but I still stand by my original comment, Everton and boro where the most evil places in the 70s,respect from the Gwladys Street end scallies 100pc scouse and proud of it 💙
@williambeck1574 I remember they came to Goodison in that run. They walked around the ground looking for it, only about 15 of them... game as fuck
I can remember Spurs taking the North Bank Highbury in 1982. I was in the Clock end and watched thousands of Spurs storm it and completely took it over. After that it was sectioned.
Not completely we fought you back that day.iwas behind the goal .where there was then a gap.and Old bill made lines.and 81.where we just about held the middle.and loads of you got escorted outby old bill.Yes you did get right behind the goal.76-80.But this completely taking it is nonsense.!
@@KevinBrown-b9c As a Spurs I agree with you. Can't comment about 82.
Highbury though had never had a fear factor about it- Maybe because the nearest pubs to the ground are at quarter of mile away
@@britishqueen94 I was at the game in 82 at highbury. We won 3-1, a rare win, mickey hazard ran the game. We were all over the NB. The only resistance was from the OB. They battered a few spurs in the middle and kicked them out. 84 was where spurs got escorted out. That was the ticket for the NB game and also arsenal were really getting it together from then.
@@brickabat5113 I bow to your superior knowledge after 80/81 didn't go to any NLD after that. Did always turn up Manor House but never in the ground and Gooners were always missing from that appointed battle ground
I think we have disagreed about my last NLD Aug 80. We were in NB but the Gooners had the covered part
@@britishqueen94 I only remember it so well because we won. Didnt happen very often at Highbury.
Motherwell. The steel men .Tough men .
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Laughable not including the City Ground…….Forest were Absolutely way ahead of 3 quarters of these grounds..Wolves (in their words) received their worst away day battering at the City Ground…Cardiff,small fry back in the 70s never showed,likewise Stoke…Plymouth Argyle,1st match of the season 1975,brought one of best mobs I’ve seen at the City Ground,easily 6/7 thousand,big geezers too,all out the ground before half time….
I could name so many more,but 100% the 2 most lawless grounds in the Midlands were Birmingham City,and Forest.. I’ve no idea where you get your info from,but you obviously were not there back in the day…And no mention of Pompey..Laughable.
@@rebelcityred1624 I remember hearing about that game though I was not there It was said about 300 Plymouth fans many with green paint on there faces ran through Nottingham city centre before the game. So in the ground Forest ran across the pitch and chased them out of the ground. Plymouth fans had to climb down over the back of the old Cop stand Colwick road end to escape out of the ground.
billy big bollox forest lol, small club then and now.
@@rebelcityred1624 I think the league Cup final 1979/80 could also have been a bad day for Wolves. Forest's Mad Squad all wearing their green bomber jackets ran them all over out side wembley near the tube station before the game.
I went to the city ground in the 70's with Cardiff, and we won 1-0.
There was only about 200 of us at the most, ( which was unusual, as we normally had a great following away).
After we scored, Forest attacked us from all sides, and we nearly ended up on the pitch.😂😂😂
@@richardbrown8099 Yes I was at that game you got completely encircled and Forest fans attacked . I hope you were OK it looked very nasty. It was around 1975 then there was no segregation in the old East Stand they did the same thing to about 80 West Brom fans the game before Cardiff .So I think the police used a rope for a while until they could put up fences to make an away fans section .
I'm not normal, then.
1978 lets rush their end
2024 let me scan your tickets first
@@DuncanLeslie-nv3wu 2024 where can I buy a half and half scarf?
Wrong about Wolves. Liverpool took it when they won the league there in 73. Unapposed there
Millwall Chelsea 95 at Stamford Bridge they got run all over west London, but top boys I'm Chelsea but a south London boy from elephant and Castle, most my pal's are Millwall ,top firm
This is my top five for numbers and organisation. Top five organization firms late 70s early 80s 1. Man utd 2. Chelsea 3. West ham 4. Leeds 5. Millwall. Top five numbers pillaging like vikings..1. man utd 2. Newcastle.3.chelsea .4. Leeds 5. Liverpool. 1990s..top organization firms 1. Chelsea 2. Man utd.3 Millwall. 4.Middleborough 5.stoke. by the 90s the pillaging was over and it was organization because of CCTV. Top firms by Organization 2000s 1. Man utd.2.chelsea3.stoke.4 . Cardiff 5. Middleborough. Firms that use knives and i think using tools is cowardly..1. scousers. 2 Millwall.3.zulus. 4. Chelsea .5 west ham. Most delusional 1. West ham claim to be undefeated.
First good thing I've heard about the Welsh But yer ì now Aldershot FC are out of it the League's But could get back in i promise if i Win a shed load ill get the Club going ( again ) if you still support em and still hopefully alive . And yer A Big Up to All Those Cardiff Supporters 🇬🇧 .
Which professor and team of maths experts worked out the percentages i'd like to know..calculations load of tosh
Bet Readings Elm Park isn’t in the top 50 but we did have a few moments in THE SOUTH BANK in the 70s remember Cardiff coming down and throwing coal at us!!!!!!!
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Ever book out there only say ho wos top firms London west ham Chelsea spurs Millwall arsenal. Birmingham Cardiff Everton man utd. Leeds Boro Pompey. That's it there all could do you on there day. Little firm s the rest
what a load of rubbish. been to most of these grounds from1967 till well..now. seen the odd skirmish but not as a war zone as depicted. it wasn't that bad believe me.
@@peterwhitaker4038 who you were you with. I am Spurs if minnows turned up at WHL kept their mouths shut and lost you were left alone. ...however if you won and celebrated you would get fucked
@@britishqueen94 i was, and still am, Everton F.C. maybe that's why i didn't see much trouble around me bar the odd headbutting, stabbing and bit of bottle throwing but nothing that wasn't unusual in 1970's Merseyside you get that anyway at a wedding or funeral!
@@peterwhitaker4038 My first Everton match 75/6 at WHL heard or nor saw any Everton- we were up 3-O half time- second Half you scored and celebrated about 100- 200 and were promptly attacked and run on the pitch and removed from the ground.Good news for you you drawed 3-3
85 you beat us at WHL to go onto win the League and ruin or chances after the match your large support was attacked all the way to 7 sisters.
81 ambushed by us 81 on the tube which made the news.
Seriously don't know how you are saying there was no trouble? 83 Fa cup at Goodison complete mayhem outside?
@@britishqueen9483 spurs where twatted all the way down scotty Road Everton turned out a mob of about 1,500 spurs shit it didn't even try to break away from their escort
Old Trafford looks better in the 70s.