As a concealed handgun holder I will say that 911 should have been called as soon as he drove up or sooner to make the Police aware of the situation. You have to ask yourself how much of a threat was he and if you were to have shot him and he was unarmed, you'd be in for a legal ride. Some of your words you used such as telling him you were going to kill him if you had to could land you in trouble in some States. Glad all worked out.
So let me get this straight? You brandished a firearm in a house that you do not occupy at someone who by law does have the technical right to be there. And you inserted yourself into a third party encounter when there was no clear and disernable threat of death or severe bodily harm? Sorry dude but you should not carry a firearm or at the least review your states use of force laws.
I understand this video is old lol...but I just saw it. This is exactly what i was thinking the whole time! This guy should turn in his 380 and not worry about "going tactical" until he learns some things. Wow.
Telling the guy "or you're going to die" is not smart. A lawyer could use that to prove you intended to kill. That could be murder You shoot to stop the threat which is likely to end up with him dead. But your intent is to stop the threat.
I would've just called 911 and said "home invasion in progress." You weren't an occupant of the home, so the prosecutor could've argued that self-defense didn't apply. You wouldn't have been tried in the end, but it could've cost you money in legal costs. Of course the gun would've made sense if he charged towards YOU.
"Get out or you are going to die, ha ha he he." Dude, she gave him permission to re enter his house to store his stuff. Knowing she was staying at your place perhaps he didn't want his stuff taken so he re locked "his" house and returned to give her the key. "going tactical on his ass." You are the type that we responsible gun carriers hate. You are a goofy dude and should keep your little .380 pee shooter at home. "It's just stuff, let it go." Doesn't that apply to you too?
There are some good things that came from this. 1) You didn't have to kill or harm someone. 2). You now know more about the law. 3) You will be better at carrying going through something like this. 4) You have a better understanding on how you would react of handle a situation like this. Thanks for sharing.
Yup. A prosecutor/defense attorney would dissect this and shred him. I point the gun at him and yell, "GET OUT OR YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!" What if he doesnt leave? Unless you are in a Castle Doctrine State, you are screwed. What was the imminent threat at the moment you were pointing the pistol? Was he advancing, armed, clenched fists or was he standing there? Not busting your balls, just telling you what you will face.
I think he would've been fine if an intruder was breaking into his girlfriend's house. Everything he did up to that point I suspect would be fine - the only thing that would've landed him in trouble would be pulling the trigger if he hadn't advanced. Simply saying "get out or you are going to die" doesn't equate to shooting a person who is standing there. What if he didn't move? That's irrelevant given what took place.
Gotta love the internet lawyers. The fact that I told him to leave or he was going to die is in the police report, so no one needs this video for that info. It's already a matter of public record. He had just busted down a dead-bolted door in pursuit of a woman who was fleeing from him. Had he continued, he'd be dead. Fortunately he was smart enough to retreat. Where did you get your law degree from? Not busting your balls, but you obviously don't know WTF you're talking about.
tim...yep...thank god my state has open carry castle doc and stand your ground .....just because she could stay 30 more days that dont mean he if he was a co habitation situation he could not block his entry... we call it two wrongs do not make a right.... he almost shot a guy for entering his own home... the shooter would have been toast
The man legally committed burglary. The moment you pull your sidearm, someone has to go to jail. You should call the police every time. Presenting is illegal, UNLESS YOU FACE DEADLY FORCE. I wonder if you discussed this with an attorney. If you are going to retrieve property from a former spouse and call the police for the time it is to be done in advance. They may not be willing to actually supervise, but then you have given them a heads up.
Oh, interesting, the words he used is "she has going through a separation for some time"! Now, who is going to try and talk sense to a man that has been in bed with her for some time and she is now leaving him, he goes to the house they been sleeping in together and fins another man that is screwing her! Do you believe you will talk sense to her previous bed partner! (cut the legal BS and let's get down to real life and common sense!)
She had been in a cohabitation relationship with him, and they co-owned the house together. But he had been legally removed from the home for over two years before this incident occurred. I absolutely couldn't care less about the guy, and I had no intentions of trying to "talk sense" to him.
Here are the rules I apply to myself: 1. Avoid ANY confrontation! (this means, before I do anything I assess the situation, will there be beer, rowdy people, lots of people, etc, etc....) (unless there is danger to me or my family and if firing starts, protecting my family is first, I will assess if there is a way out for them first?) 2. Use common sense! (if there is ANY possibility of an issue arising, I stay away) 3. Read steps 1 & 2. So, I am not asking if anyone else approves or disproves, because in the end, I will either carried by six (coffin) or will be judged by 12 with the additional financial catastrophy that will follow! It is that simple for me!
Those are very good rules to live by. I generally try to follow a similar set of rules as well. In this instance there wasn't any good solution. I could have extracted myself from the situation, but she was determined to get her stuff and it would have meant leaving her in an unsafe situation. Fortunately it all worked out in the end.
you need to remove this video man. Just a bit of info for your benefit. This can come back to haunt you in a bad, bad way. Stay out of her drama. You two are not married and therefore of no consequence to you. Should have the police there for any removal of items. Domestic situations can always go sideways. Protecting yourself is one thing. However, posting a video of a death threat is not something I would place on video. You have now placed video evidence of "presenting" your firearm. He can sue and you will then be out the expense to defend your actions.
If you know some crazy could happen it would be wise to request a Police/Sheriff’s presence while at the residence. This may have to be scheduled in advance so be prepared for a delay in service.
Sadly no one should ever point a gun to no one unless you 100% intend to pull the Trigger which you did not. Which I hope he will not look to sue you which may be possible! Respectfully another reason I state never ever point a gun at anyone unless you do pull the trigger is because it will always be in there mind and may one day sneak upon you to cause severe harm. Stay well & Safe!
No, no, no. You present your weapon willing to take force if needed! You don't pull your weapon intending to shoot someone unless the situation dictates it! Cops pull their weapons all the time without pulling the trigger thank God! Take some self defense classes and get your facts straight!
Your videos make more sense to me than so many of the experts who wouldn’t carry a weapon and defend their country or protect others as law enforcement. I’m a twenty plus year vet and at 71 years old have never had to present my firearm in self defense. I have inadvertently fired a hunting piece and thankfully no one was injured. It happens. Damn humans!
Problem number one. You were ducking a woman with a husband. Problem two you pulled a gun on a man in his house. Problem three you made this video about problem one and problem two. I see one common theme in problem one, two, and three... And that is you
Please don't ever "go tactical". Defend yourself, defend your lady friend, etc. But "going tactical" is some cornball crap. Threatening somebody's life is also never a good idea. It can be considered assault with a deadly weapon in some statutes. You should ALWAYS know your statutes BEFORE even buying a weapon. Let alone carrying one. And ESPECIALLY pointing it at somebody, and then threatening to kill them. What you did can absolutely be considered "accosting" in many legal systems. And it was never about her clothes. He wanted CONTROL over her. Every single person with a CWP should always consider their gun as a means to deter violence
You should only draw when you feel your life is in danger! In danger of great bodily harm or death. And that is usually by another armed person( armed in some fashion or another. ) you should not draw to stop an "aggressor" an un armed angry person that you can stop without a deadly weapon. Man against Man, fist against fist- is in no way a life saving scenario. If you would have shot this man, you would be surely put in jail IMHO. You can and should not pull your weapon unless that person has the means and intentions to cause great bodily harm or death and that is typically an armed person which he was not. When you draw your weapon, it is because you fear for yours or someone's life and when you draw your weapon then. You use it!
I doubt I'd have gone to jail. Keep in mind, this guy busted down a locked door in pursuit of a woman who was fleeing from him. Many people have been killed by nothing more than a fist, so IMHO, only a fool would engage in a fist fight.
He busted down a door to enter the home he was locked out of. If he had any rights at all, to be in the house, then he is not trespassing nor breaking and entering. His intentions would have had to be proven that he was intending to enter to cause great bodily harm or death and not to just to enter forceably - because he was locked out. Again it comes down to proving intent. Had he grabbed her and or struck her or was choking her etc.. You can prove intent and justify deadly force. if he had a weapon ie: bat, tire iron, knife, gun etc.. You can ofcourse prove intent. Otherwise you risked your freedom IMHO.
Interesting theory. The problem with it is that he had no rights to be in the home for another 30 days. She lent him a key to start moving his stuff in while she was moving her stuff out. Instead, he changed the locks. So we drilled the locks out, replaced them, and thereby revoked his invitation to be there. If he'd have had any legal recourse at all, he'd have pursued it. He didn't. I live in a stand your ground state, had a legal right to be on the property, and had a legal right to protect myself and my girlfriend. As it turns out, staring down the barrel of a gun brought him to his senses, and there was absolutely ZERO negative repercussions for me.
I don't think he did anything wrong. First the guy was breaking in and legally not allowed in there without permission. Second the girl was trying to get away from him and went inside and locked the door. He then breaks down the door. Lets say instead of the house she went inside her car and locked it. The ex-boyfriend then breaks the glass of the car to get to her. Same concept. Once you cross those boundaries the victim can use the Castle Doctrine as a means to defend themselves on their property.
It became a lot like a landlord/tenant situation. In fact, her lawyer subsequently served him with a law suit for wrongful eviction, which prompted him to let her get the rest of her belongings. There is some nuance in the scenario, but there's no doubt in my mind I was legally in the right.
Saying "I will kill you" with a witness there wasn't a good move. If you did have to shoot and charges were filed she would end up testifying that you said that, and you are supposed to shoot only to stop the threat NOT to kill. Without witnesses (or audio recordings) go ahead and say what you want but not with others observing.
I had a retired NYC police officer tell me one time that no matter what the circumstances with killing a perp in a home invasion (perp's weapon type or no weapon), tell them he/she said they were going to kill me. It might have been a joke. I am from the say nothing until I get my lawyer school.
I agree with most commenters. It doesn't seem like you had reason to fear for your life unless you are just very easy to scare. I know using your fists in a situation like this may lead to getting your ass beat but sometimes that's just how it goes. In fact, I feel like if this guy was carrying he would have been justified in shooting you since he had every right to fear for his life after you "drew down" on him. I was a juror on a 2nd degree murder trial. A older, nice, never in trouble before older guy had a confrontation with a younger, much bigger guy. The younger guy was about to whip that ass and the older guy pulls his handgun, the younger guy picks up a chair and charges, the older guy shoots. You would think the older guy was justified since the young guy picked up a deadly weapon but he had a right to grab the chair cause the old guy had pulled his gun first. Old guy was convicted of 2nd degree murder. It was tough cause he had a family and had never been in any trouble but it was clear that he pulled the gun without fearing for his life. He should have thrown down instead of drawing down. May have had some black eyes but wouldn't be in prison. But hey it was a stressful situation and a lot of people would probably have been scared and pulled a gun. People don't like to fist fight anymore.
consider that if one believes himself in imminent danger he is allowed to take an appropriate level of action to reduce that danger, or perceived danger. if we comb over the facts from the safety of our own homes later, and come to the conclusion that maybe he wasn't in a life-threatening situation after all, that most certainly does not mean he'd be found guilty of anything. in the heat of the moment when there are lots of variables at play and time is of the essence, he might have come to a different conclusion than we do after the fact. you are allowed to be wrong. the only thing that matters is what his state of mind was at the time, knowing what he knew at the time. in order to give a conviction you must be shown beyond a doubt what his state of mind was at that point in the past ( how could one show what the state of mind of another person was at some point in the past? even in theory? ) and that state of mind must have been "i'm not in imminent danger but i want to shoot this guy anyway" and oh yeah, this is a guy with presumably no violent offenses of any kind on his record, but he just decided to shoot a guy one day. seems like a far fetched proposal to me.
and in regards to the case you were a juror on, do you not think a small old frail man has the right to defend himself from a much larger, much younger man who is violently attacking him? i think i know the answer to that, but wow. your comment basically reads "the old man was a criminal for defending himself, and should have taken the ass-beating" if somehow, hypothetically, you could show that the young man was going to "kick his ass" and not leave him with grievous wounds, or beat him to death, but just give him a few punches then walk away then i guess in that hypothetical impossible scenario i'd have to say yes, pulling a gun was not justified. but as you laid it out he most certainly was justified in stopping the imminent threat which he had no way of knowing if the young aggressor was going to kill him, leave him with serious bodily injury, land one hard strike then take the gun from him at which point we would only assume he's going to turn the victim's own gun against him
"it was clear he pulled the gun without fearing for his life" it scares me that these words can come from someone serving on jury duty on a case like this. how was it clear? i don't think it was clear at all. if ANYTHING i'd say he had good reason to be in fear. so it was justified. at the VERY LEAST it would be inconclusive and the case should be thrown out. I feel sorry for that man that you and the others got it so, so wrong.
Breaking into a home in a loud and manner is reason for deadly force even in ILLINOIS. He kicked down a door and criminally trespassed. Even in ILLINOIS you could of smoked him. You gave him a choice... no blood, no foul.
Now that you have come to recognize that trouble doesn't make appointments, you owe to yourself, your woman friend, and the public to get some training and become informed as to your rights and responsibilities in the judicious use of force.
I am going to say that I'm really glad you and her are O.K. I carry but always fear I'll have to defend my wife or L.E.O., or even an innocent stranger. I find it ironic that people can hear your story and actually know how they would react. I personally am so afraid of how I would be forced to react that I can only pray I handled it as well as you did. I would use caution though in sharing the experience on an open forum like youtube because of the legal wrangling. Again, I don't know exactly how I would handle it but hope I would have the presence of mind to handle it as well as you did! I would also like to add that I'm a veteran martial artist with 2 black belts in 2 different arts and have my Texas C.H.L. and have trained aggressively and still I am concerned on how this would turn out. I guess that's what reality will really teach you!
Thanks for your kind comments. They make this video worth it. You are correct, I vividly recollect that moment where I am pointing that gun at him and he is looking at me. I don't think I have ever felt that much anxiety in a single moment ever in my life. And there was part of my brain that was telling me I would not pull the trigger on this man, and I remember silencing that voice, like flipping a switch and turning it off. I would have done it, and I am very thankful that I didn't.
I tried to put myself in your position. I believe you demonstrated remarkable strength, courage and judgement. How were you to know that this home invador wasn't armed and intent on harming you and your girlfriend? I believe you could have justifiably neutralized that individual without any warning upon coming through the door. Congratulations for being poised enough to keep your cool, protecting your loved one and yourself. In my mind, that guy was way lucky to have been able to walk away. He owes you!
Rosecoe, just ran across your video. You did great for your first post man. I really enjoyed your story, it's a great reminder of when the "red flag" goes up, how quickly things escalate. I applaud your handling of the heated circumstance and is exemplary for those who might find themselves in similar circumstances.
Justified draw. But on the subject of ball ammo / FMJ / target ammo, they might go through more than you want; consider hollow points to cut the risk of hitting something/someone beyond the intended target. 2A forever!
Agreed. I would never carry anything smaller than a 9mm. A .380 is better than nothing but most people will soak up a few of those before they hit the pavement
In Florida ,you could have shot him if you felt in fear if harm or death. However,my solution is to study Aikido and carry, your situation probably could have been neutralized with an Aikido technique, he would have been on the ground with pain that would hold him until the house was empty. I carry all the time but I let aikido do my light work , not the gun.
*Deadly force* is justified only when undertaken to prevent the imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.The use of persuasion and conflict reduction rather than to resort to the use of force is requires assertiveness and courage. This requires an assessment of the ability, opportunity, and intention of an aggressor necessary to cause serious or lethal harm. I am old and not as sharp as I used to be. If you want to test my assessment skills at this point, it might not meet your needs over time.
but does a large fighting aged male charging violently towards you in a threatening manner pose an imminent and potentially deadly threat? I think nobody would argue that it does not.
Never date a separated woman. Make sure her divorce is final first. Never unholster your firearm unless you're prepared to use it and you're prepared for the consequences of using it.
P.S. I carry my side arm everywhere I go, I've been into disputes some a little physical but I have never considered pulling my weapon out to "defend my self".
A bit of a brag for a sad situation. I know she's now YOUR girl now but what has she done to this guy to make his angry? It was his house and he didn't assault you. "unloading ball rounds on his ass." Dude, too much! Wait to see what she does to you in the future.
Certainly not bragging. Killing another person is not something I ever hope to have to do. But I’m not going to stand by while a man physically assaults my girlfriend. That might be how you deal with things, but that’s not how I handle things. And you may think it’s acceptable for a man to accost a woman under certain circumstances, but if so, you obviously weren’t raised correctly. Or perhaps you’ve lost a woman to another man and therefore feel some affinity towards this guy. His actions were wrong, and he got what he deserved.
Calm down Roscoe, it seems you are quite the reactionary. The man in question is at his house, you have locked him out which is exactly what bothered you and your girlfriend so much. But he is not supposed to be upset at being locked out as well. It's a two way street. It's Ok if you are upset, but not him? I'm all for protecting someone from harm however drawing down on a man entering into his own home who has not put a hand on anyone shouldn't get a loaded gun barrel put in his face by some new boyfriend. As you explained the situation she wasn't near him. Of course all we hear is your side of the story and I doubt if he or even she has the exact same story. You on the other hand are the only one who brought deadly force to play. It sounds like these two individuals involved in this divorce have been going at it for quite some time yet no restraining orders were in place it was all a civil matter. Now, MR. Boyfriend steps in and a it is perceived by me that you are a bit of a braggart and showoff. You pull your gun. The first reaction we are taught as CWP holders is to retreat, step back. Yet you pulled your loaded pistol and as you say it "were ready to pop a cap" or some such wording. That's ridiculous. You can unholster you weapon and display it without shoving it into a mans face. My comments don't matter in the end. You chose to put it out here for us to see and comment on. Again my only question as before as you sit at your kitchen table, how long will it be before she owns half your house, decides she's not happy, has another new boyfriend and you are busting into your house? There are three sides to this story and the one you present isn't panning out like you thought. You are not a hero in my eyes, you protected no one, and you were by your own words willing to shoot this man. All for your girlfriend who was in no direct danger? A wise man you are not and you are carrying a gun. Buy the way, if you are serious about protecting life and limb get a real gun not that toy you carry. Frankly I;m surprised he doesn't sue you civilly. Good luck to you, I know I've said some harsh things but you invited it. I also see you got some good advice about not putting this stuff on social media. I suggest you take to heart these suggestions. 1. Back off 2. Display your gun don't draw down on an unarmed man in his own house who is not an immediate threat. ( this man showed good judgment by backing off. I know men who would have grabbed your little "gat" and beat you with it even if he had to take a hit from that pee shooter you have. 3. Don't brag on social media 4. You should wonder what is in store for your future with this woman. Good luck to you and instead of reacting to your comments just learn from them.
I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like you may NOT have been justified. You and your girl had a right to be in the house at the time, but so did he, right? So he wasn't trespassing and your girl had no right to lock him out. And he did not pose an imminent danger to your life or hers. As I say I'm not a lawyer, but ethically: if you had not had your gun, you or your girl or both might have been beaten up or injured, but by introducing your gun into the situation you escalated it to one where there was danger to someone's LIFE. I could be wrong but this looks like a story which supports RESTRICTING gun rights, not enhancing them. Better for ten people to suffer beatings than for one to get killed (and another to face possible charges of murder).
What do you mean? Can you elaborate? Yeah WHAT? No WHAT? I'm open to persuasion but (speaking about the moral/ethical question, not the legal question) your response does not look correct to me.
Yeah, I read your comment and No I don't agree with it. He had no right to be there. He certainly had no right to aggressively pursue a fleeing woman into a locked house that she had the right to be in by breaking the door down. And putting a gun in his face ended the encounter with no one going to jail and no one getting hurt or killed. So I'd say it was a complete success story, and I'd do it again the same way if I had to do it over.
It was a success story THIS time. I agree he should not have pursued her into the house and should not have busted the door. But you turned a risk-of-fisticuffs situation into a risk-of-death situation, and that is what (I think) is, at very least, ethically problematic.
A "risk of fisticuffs" situation IS a risk of death situation. It is not difficult at all to be killed by fists, it happens all the time. And I didn't know whether he was armed or not. Only a fool engages in a fist fight unnecessarily, and only an idiot brings fists to a gun fight.
I believe the replacement phrase you should have used where you said "you forcefully said get out" should be for future reference "authoritatively as possible"... remember you are defending, he was the aggressor!!!
I believe you had the right to pull your firearm, I'm not an attorney. You actually put yourself in that situation. Why would you date a woman that's going through those issues? That was a dumb move on your part. And I watched you closely when your were telling the story. You were bragging.
Presenting ...yes and no.... You can't just randomly whip out your gun at random non life threatening situations... BUT,... IF You Fear a Threat is Life Threatening.... Then it is NOT Considered " Presenting " at that Point... You have to then.. Stop The Threat... You Did... Without Firing The Weapon... ...GOOD JOB... GREAT VIDEO..!!
Handled yourself well...posting the video was probably a bad choice before the entire situation was resolved...but great example of what a real confrontation can look like!
I'm glad to hear you say you did not want to shoot him. None of us should look for or want to shoot any person. Even if you say you can handle killing another person chances are you are not gonna be ok with it. Unless maybe something is wrong with you, or you are a little off in the head. If that's the case well you shouldn't have a gun in the first place. Anyway like the story you handled it well. Like I seen in another post maybe keep it off social media. You don't wanna have that out there.
this argument of PRESENTING from 2 of my friends with carry permits who had a situation of someone with a knife and the cops told them this is presenting, BS its called self defense!!! ITS A WAY FOR THESE COPS TO RULE AND PICK ON THOSE WITH THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE!!!
I am a member of the United States Conceal Carry Association and darned glad I am. You should check them out for training and insurance as well as legal representation. You need that now, a.s.a.p. I don't think your ordeal is over. Your friend has a lawyer, but that doesn't help you. Get a lawyer now. The USCCA can give you advice, but probably no legal representation since you're not a member. Calling 911 was correct. The next thing you should have done was call your lawyer. I hope it's not too late.
Dude. Take this down asap. You talk way too much. At no point did you verbalize that you feared for your life or imminent bodily harm. Civil suits require less to prove wrongdoing.
You did the right thing...it was a self defense reflex...and you don't have to be afraid for your life to pull out a gun...what about being afraid of getting your nose broken or getting into a fight where he pulls your gun out and kills both of you...sorry you had to go through that, a lot of idiots out there.
Sorry you had to listen to all the internet expert's below, people really do think they know it all! I thought just like some of those guys below who said you were not in fear for your life he only blew the door off the jam he was coming in to wrestle, and then after I had been in a fight with someone I got shot, thinking this is just a fist fight no need for guns. Im with you and you did the right thing no matter how you slice it you helped your girlfriend tried to stay out of the middle, sure you probably should have just let her leave her stuff or bought her new stuff those situations always end badly when people hate eachother and have to work out agreements like that. In the future I would not interact with that guy again with or without her there.
If I were on the jury, I would not be on your side. You may have been lucky this time and you averted a bad situation. But this is not a imminent life or death situation to present. Your personal feelings got the best of you..
III Looks as though Tennis time, WAIT!, really is that a name? lol it sure explains his hate for reality. Another idiot that has the ability to type while drunk. Damn, some of these people on here dont have a lick of sense. I think too many balls has hit him in the face, bouncing off his chin or something.
I was not there and only have your side of this story. However, you laid out the situation and it is very obvious that you had an idea that this domestic issue could escalate into a serious situation very quickly. The "X" was already on record for domestic violence requiring law enforcement action, he had changed the locks, and you were very aware that he meant business and took this court ruling on the house very seriously! You, not being an owner nor having any lawful right to even be on the property took it upon yourself (since you had the confidence of the almighty 380auto SERIOUSLY?) to become the self appointed overseer and protector of this girl who had lived with this guy for four years! I do not believe you had justification for drawing down on the guy. I think you were very lucky that the sherif deputy didn't book you and take you for a ride in his squad car. At the first instance of a heated argument between the former lovers a 911 call should have been made. Especially when she returned to the house locking the door behind her. This was a domestic violence situation that is most always based on emotions. Emotions get out of control very quickly and can become something that you and/or your girlfriend were never prepared for. I am glad you have your CHL (please get a better caliber) for just such cases but in this scenario you describe, there was plenty of time to make a 911 call and keep the cellphone active during the altercation as police arrived. I am a very firm believer in the 2nd amendment and I have been carrying everywhere for many years and I hope you continue to carry. However, please realize that having a concealed weapon doesn't mean that we should take matters into our own hands when the situation could be avoided. Something to think about.......If you had NOT been carrying the almighty 380auto would you have handled this situation differently? There, is the answer to your own question.
There was a lot of potential for this to go horribly wrong. Many people in prison or dead with similar stories that weren’t as lucky as you. Read the negative comments and learn from them. Good luck.
I just agree with your sentiment about it being bad video it was a very informed video in my opinion because 1 if you would have went outside there wouldn't have been as much proof that you were in a defense standpoint unless he accosted you or your girlfriend or at the time friend it was better for him to kick the door in like an idiot because that one proof that he wasn't coming in there in a friendly manner who just recently talked things out or anything I mean obviously the shouting in the driveway was proof enough that but you can't prove hearsay unless you have it on recording I'm glad you didn't have to shoot the dummy, and the police officer shirt guy was partially right but you were right in regard of Defending yourself with a handgun you do have to present it and point it which is a definite good deterrent and you handled the situation which if you wouldn't have been there could have gotten pretty bad pretty quickly for your girlfriend cuz God only knows what he would have done in that sense am I State they don't require a permit to carry concealed or unconcealed anymore thanks to our new governor which is Awesome by the way but all the same laws still apply a lot of people I know they have started carrying have not done enough research know all the laws that pertain to carrying a firearm. which is rule number one if you can get away and any other fashion then having to draw and fire your firearm that's what you should do but in your situation he was already through the door and into the entryway so turning around and running depending on how far you the way you were what is put you at risk not to mention it is at your house you don't know where the exits are so that was a smart thing to do in my opinion was to draw on point your firearm and stop good what could have been bad situation number two is never told your gun to show it off to anybody especially out in public even if you aren't threatening them and it's your friend that's brandishing which also is illegal and the one big thing that a couple of my friends that are caring now that I've been trying to educate them on is practice practice practice because if you get faced with a situation like similar to yours any attacker isn't deterred by your verbal command to leave or you know drawing and pointing your firearm at them you need to be able to maintain your Target because you are responsible for every bullet that leaves the muzzle of your gun so if you hit somebody that wasn't attacking you you were responsible for that and you may kill somebody accidentally or wounding them and you will face charges for that which is why I encourage them to practice because of my state it's okay to conceal or open carry as long as you're not a felon but the drawback is the people who carry now don't have to actually train like you have to in the concealed carry courses and stuff like that... I'm fortunate enough to know several police officers and lawyers who have taught me what I can and can't do...stay safe brother
I'm late to the discussion, but the use/threat of lethal force in self defense is only authorized, in most states, when you're in fear for your life or grevious bodily harm. When the officer asked you if you were in fear for your life, any answer other than a clear yes puts you in danger of legal trouble (criminal and/or civil). If you answered with something along the lines of what you said during this video, ("I was defending myself/my girlfriend") you'd have been missing a key component in your defense (that you were in fear for your life or possible grevious bodily harm). That distinction is important in the scenario you painted because the guy was unharmed (so he wasn't inherently a deadly threat). All that being said,, I'm glad everything turned out well and that you were there to help her.
You need to be careful. Pulling a gun is when you are in a life threatening situation. Is a stupid guy breaking a door trying to get at you a life or death situation? Probably not. You might goto jail for that. Pulling a gun because you don’t want to get into a possible fight? Not the best decision in my book. Did you need the gun to deescillate the situation? Probably not. Nonetheless, ofcourse if you had a gun pointed in your face you’re going to listen. No, not always. If that guy was really set on doing something that gun may have really become an issue if you two got into a tussle. I personally wouldn’t have drawn or even let him know I had a gun until he vocally told me he wanted to physically harm me or are at me being physical. That’s just me. And everyone reacts differently to verbal and physical altercations. I think you’re lucky he didn’t push the issue about you pointing a gun at him and either way he is wrong for just acting like a complete idiot. Guns and self defense is a tricky thing. Know a good lawyer. And never post your business on a public platform. You’ve already said way too much than your attorney would probably prefer..... You seem like a really nice guy, just be careful.
@@theplinkerslodge6361 nope. You’ll goto jail. Unless he’s got a gun. It will be even worse if he tries to leave and you don’t let him. Go get a lawyer. Sounds like you’re gonna need one. If someone was breaking in my house I’d beat their ass. And probably goto jail for that but I’m not going to kill someone. And spend the rest of my life in Jail because they’re a moron? Nope. I’ll take the assault charge and issue an ass whippin.
Anytime you feel your life or your safety is threatened by eminent great bodily harm you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself and almost every state in the Union. Now the only question we would have here, is whether a person displaying enough Molly Force to forcibly break through a door? Is this playing enough forced to make you fear for your life? If you feared for your life or the life of the other young lady you're within your right to use deadly force.
I’m glad you were there to help a lady out. I’m not sure I agree with what you said about their domestic dispute was not your business, and then saying you were there to help s “friend” move? If I was your gf I’d be pissed you stated it like that. Again though, I’m glad you were there and carrying.
Interesting comment because she has seen this video, and truthfully, she didn't like the way I phrased that either. I think I stated it that way "matter of factly" for legal reasons, and because that's how I feel about it. Just because you're in a relationship with someone doesn't really give you a right to insert yourself into their past relationships. It is up to each of us to clean up our own messes and obtain closure for ourselves from our own mistakes. And the word "friend" sounds cold, distant, and guarded, and I will admit that frankly, I am.
ya man I gotta agree with everyone you shouldn't have drew your firearm especially being on someone else's property ya that's bad news, you should've tried to deescalate the situation before jumping straight to deadly force I mean he didn't exactly break through the door with a chainsaw or axe lol think before you act bro drawing a pistol is something you can't undo
I feel ya bro, but u wernt in fear of ur life at that second. u should of been of sited for a crime. u & her were not injured. u got lucky. you were to quick on the draw. if he had a bat or hammer you would of been in the rite.
I know I don't have all of the facts so please don't take my remarks the wrong way. I'm not trying to be a jackass just giving you my opinion. You handled this differently than I would have. I know I have the benefit of hearing the story and trying to think it out and you didn't have that luxury. That being said, I can't imagine a situation where I would send a woman, any woman, certainly not my significant other, out to confront someone who has a history of domestic abuse while I go to the bathroom. It sounds as if you knew there was going to be trouble, so in my mind the actions you took were way off course. I'd like to hear if you would do things the same way if it were to happen again or if you would handle it differently.
I wouldn't do anything differently. I don't go around white knighting for women, and my girlfriend can handle herself. She was in a relationship with this guy and their business is none of mine. It all worked out fine, everyone walked away, she got her stuff and will probably win the suit against him form wrongful eviction. We haven't heard anything from him since, all communication goes through the lawyers.
You're girfriend can handle herself? So what if you get married? The same past still exists and the same maniac ex boyfriend still exists - would you say the same thing? My wife can take care of herself? It's her business, her past, not mine?
Lol.. making sure your girlfriend is safe is white knighting? Would you have come out of the bathroom at all if you hadn't been carrying? Your lucky you were able to finish strong with the gun draw. I'm afraid she would have never forgotten your hiding in the bathroom otherwise. But in the end you got to stand up for her and even made the bad guy go away. Good turn around.
"I went tactical and drew down on him"...... "Hard ball" ammo? Call of Duty Commando..... I bet he can't hit the broad side of a barn from 6 inches but probably gets a kd of 11.7 on call of duty.
So you broke into his house and changed the locks. Then you locked him out of his house and when he breaks into his house, you draw a gun on him and threatened to kill him. Your own statement was that your wife had the right to remove her stuff from the house for 30 days. It's his house, she can ask him to let her in to recover her possessions. She should have removed her possessions if she thought that this would be a problem. If you shot him, this would have all come out in court and that stupid smirk would have been wiped off your face. Wise up.
If I'd have shot him he'd be dead. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. As it turned out the guy fled. If you're right why did he flee? Why didn't he come back with the police? Why wasn't I arrested? Why did she end up getting her stuff? The outcome was completely in my favor. I won, he lost. I'd say I have a right to that smirk, go fuck yourself.
I generally carry FMJ rounds in my .380 acp because from what I've seen .380 hollow points tend to under-penetrate. In larger calibers I carry hollow point rounds.
When you found the locks were changed that’s when she should of called the law so they could of been there while she was doing her thing . This should of never went that far
Dating or White Knighting for married chicks can be "problematic".
"Unholstered my .380 auto and went tactical"... I'm still laughing.
He went full Yeager
Never go full Yeager
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djoliver7 this dude shouldn't even own a gun. He's a bitch. Lmao Sunday shooter. If you can't fight you shouldn't own a gun
Jynxx Jordan you’re an idiot.
As a concealed handgun holder I will say that 911 should have been called as soon as he drove up or sooner to make the Police aware of the situation. You have to ask yourself how much of a threat was he and if you were to have shot him and he was unarmed, you'd be in for a legal ride. Some of your words you used such as telling him you were going to kill him if you had to could land you in trouble in some States. Glad all worked out.
So let me get this straight? You brandished a firearm in a house that you do not occupy at someone who by law does have the technical right to be there. And you inserted yourself into a third party encounter when there was no clear and disernable threat of death or severe bodily harm? Sorry dude but you should not carry a firearm or at the least review your states use of force laws.
He did it all for the nookie "
I understand this video is old lol...but I just saw it. This is exactly what i was thinking the whole time! This guy should turn in his 380 and not worry about "going tactical" until he learns some things. Wow.
Fun playing lawyer?
@@wardatkins1320 yup lol he did it all for fresh trim
Telling the guy "or you're going to die" is not smart. A lawyer could use that to prove you intended to kill. That could be murder
You shoot to stop the threat which is likely to end up with him dead. But your intent is to stop the threat.
too much baggage....i would be the one running
if u fired you would be in prison
You're johnny6148, not johnnylawyer. Ha!
@@theplinkerslodge6361 he likely would be
@@rylandavis2976 justified.
@@SuperCinemaCraft what's justified
I would've just called 911 and said "home invasion in progress." You weren't an occupant of the home, so the prosecutor could've argued that self-defense didn't apply. You wouldn't have been tried in the end, but it could've cost you money in legal costs. Of course the gun would've made sense if he charged towards YOU.
Sure you would have. This is one of the most ridiculous comments in here.
"Get out or you are going to die, ha ha he he." Dude, she gave him permission to re enter his house to store his stuff. Knowing she was staying at your place perhaps he didn't want his stuff taken so he re locked "his" house and returned to give her the key. "going tactical on his ass." You are the type that we responsible gun carriers hate. You are a goofy dude and should keep your little .380 pee shooter at home. "It's just stuff, let it go." Doesn't that apply to you too?
Your accolades are duly noted.
There are some good things that came from this. 1) You didn't have to kill or harm someone. 2). You now know more about the law. 3) You will be better at carrying going through something like this. 4) You have a better understanding on how you would react of handle a situation like this. Thanks for sharing.
Never get involved in a situation like that, ie divorce
You be smart and keep your business off social media dude!!
Yup. A prosecutor/defense attorney would dissect this and shred him. I point the gun at him and yell, "GET OUT OR YOU ARE GOING TO DIE!" What if he doesnt leave? Unless you are in a Castle Doctrine State, you are screwed.
What was the imminent threat at the moment you were pointing the pistol? Was he advancing, armed, clenched fists or was he standing there? Not busting your balls, just telling you what you will face.
I think he would've been fine if an intruder was breaking into his girlfriend's house. Everything he did up to that point I suspect would be fine - the only thing that would've landed him in trouble would be pulling the trigger if he hadn't advanced.
Simply saying "get out or you are going to die" doesn't equate to shooting a person who is standing there. What if he didn't move? That's irrelevant given what took place.
Gotta love the internet lawyers. The fact that I told him to leave or he was going to die is in the police report, so no one needs this video for that info. It's already a matter of public record. He had just busted down a dead-bolted door in pursuit of a woman who was fleeing from him. Had he continued, he'd be dead. Fortunately he was smart enough to retreat. Where did you get your law degree from? Not busting your balls, but you obviously don't know WTF you're talking about.
A UA-cam psychoanalyst and a lawyer too? Wow!
tim...yep...thank god my state has open carry castle doc and stand your ground .....just because she could stay 30 more days that dont mean he if he was a co habitation situation he could not block his entry... we call it two wrongs do not make a right.... he almost shot a guy for entering his own home... the shooter would have been toast
The man legally committed burglary. The moment you pull your sidearm, someone has to go to jail. You should call the police every time. Presenting is illegal, UNLESS YOU FACE DEADLY FORCE. I wonder if you discussed this with an attorney. If you are going to retrieve property from a former spouse and call the police for the time it is to be done in advance. They may not be willing to actually supervise, but then you have given them a heads up.
Next time wait until she is divorced!
She wasn't married.
Oh, interesting, the words he used is "she has going through a separation for some time"! Now, who is going to try and talk sense to a man that has been in bed with her for some time and she is now leaving him, he goes to the house they been sleeping in together and fins another man that is screwing her!
Do you believe you will talk sense to her previous bed partner! (cut the legal BS and let's get down to real life and common sense!)
She had been in a cohabitation relationship with him, and they co-owned the house together. But he had been legally removed from the home for over two years before this incident occurred. I absolutely couldn't care less about the guy, and I had no intentions of trying to "talk sense" to him.
Here are the rules I apply to myself:
1. Avoid ANY confrontation! (this means, before I do anything I assess the situation, will there be beer, rowdy people, lots of people, etc, etc....) (unless there is danger to me or my family and if firing starts, protecting my family is first, I will assess if there is a way out for them first?)
2. Use common sense! (if there is ANY possibility of an issue arising, I stay away)
3. Read steps 1 & 2.
So, I am not asking if anyone else approves or disproves, because in the end, I will either carried by six (coffin) or will be judged by 12 with the additional financial catastrophy that will follow!
It is that simple for me!
Those are very good rules to live by. I generally try to follow a similar set of rules as well. In this instance there wasn't any good solution. I could have extracted myself from the situation, but she was determined to get her stuff and it would have meant leaving her in an unsafe situation. Fortunately it all worked out in the end.
you need to remove this video man. Just a bit of info for your benefit. This can come back to haunt you in a bad, bad way. Stay out of her drama. You two are not married and therefore of no consequence to you. Should have the police there for any removal of items. Domestic situations can always go sideways. Protecting yourself is one thing. However, posting a video of a death threat is not something I would place on video. You have now placed video evidence of "presenting" your firearm. He can sue and you will then be out the expense to defend your actions.
He did it all for the nookie "
Got news for you buddy. When you tied yourself to her you tied yourself to her drama.
We've been together for six years and counting. Sounds like you guys are beta males that have been fucked over by one too many women.
@@roscoejenkins1476 bruh chill 😂
You played it smart. The family and women come before yourself. I see nothing wrong. Keep it cool and be prepared. ALWAYS. It's a crazy world
If you know some crazy could happen it would be wise to request a Police/Sheriff’s presence while at the residence. This may have to be scheduled in advance so be prepared for a delay in service.
Sadly no one should ever point a gun to no one unless you 100% intend to pull the Trigger which you did not. Which I hope he will not look to sue you which may be possible! Respectfully another reason I state never ever point a gun at anyone unless you do pull the trigger is because it will always be in there mind and may one day sneak upon you to cause severe harm. Stay well & Safe!
No, no, no. You present your weapon willing to take force if needed! You don't pull your weapon intending to shoot someone unless the situation dictates it! Cops pull their weapons all the time without pulling the trigger thank God! Take some self defense classes and get your facts straight!
It sounds like you exercised self-restraint and handled the fool very well. Chops to you. So, he had to replace the door and jamb. Karma. Nice job.
Your videos make more sense to me than so many of the experts who wouldn’t carry a weapon and defend their country or protect others as law enforcement. I’m a twenty plus year vet and at 71 years old have never had to present my firearm in self defense. I have inadvertently fired a hunting piece and thankfully no one was injured. It happens. Damn humans!
Problem number one. You were ducking a woman with a husband. Problem two you pulled a gun on a man in his house. Problem three you made this video about problem one and problem two. I see one common theme in problem one, two, and three... And that is you
If any of that were even remotely true, don't you think he would have called the cops?
Please don't ever "go tactical". Defend yourself, defend your lady friend, etc. But "going tactical" is some cornball crap. Threatening somebody's life is also never a good idea. It can be considered assault with a deadly weapon in some statutes. You should ALWAYS know your statutes BEFORE even buying a weapon. Let alone carrying one. And ESPECIALLY pointing it at somebody, and then threatening to kill them. What you did can absolutely be considered "accosting" in many legal systems. And it was never about her clothes. He wanted CONTROL over her. Every single person with a CWP should always consider their gun as a means to deter violence
CWP is unconstitutional BS lmao ... free men don't ask permission. no offense, to each his own. but CWP is criminal
Tough scenario brother. I've never had to pull my gun off duty and pray I never do.
You should only draw when you feel your life is in danger! In danger of great bodily harm or death. And that is usually by another armed person( armed in some fashion or another. ) you should not draw to stop an "aggressor" an un armed angry person that you can stop without a deadly weapon. Man against Man, fist against fist- is in no way a life saving scenario. If you would have shot this man, you would be surely put in jail IMHO. You can and should not pull your weapon unless that person has the means and intentions to cause great bodily harm or death and that is typically an armed person which he was not. When you draw your weapon, it is because you fear for yours or someone's life and when you draw your weapon then. You use it!
I doubt I'd have gone to jail. Keep in mind, this guy busted down a locked door in pursuit of a woman who was fleeing from him. Many people have been killed by nothing more than a fist, so IMHO, only a fool would engage in a fist fight.
He busted down a door to enter the home he was locked out of. If he had any rights at all, to be in the house, then he is not trespassing nor breaking and entering. His intentions would have had to be proven that he was intending to enter to cause great bodily harm or death and not to just to enter forceably - because he was locked out. Again it comes down to proving intent. Had he grabbed her and or struck her or was choking her etc.. You can prove intent and justify deadly force. if he had a weapon ie: bat, tire iron, knife, gun etc.. You can ofcourse prove intent. Otherwise you risked your freedom IMHO.
Interesting theory. The problem with it is that he had no rights to be in the home for another 30 days. She lent him a key to start moving his stuff in while she was moving her stuff out. Instead, he changed the locks. So we drilled the locks out, replaced them, and thereby revoked his invitation to be there. If he'd have had any legal recourse at all, he'd have pursued it. He didn't. I live in a stand your ground state, had a legal right to be on the property, and had a legal right to protect myself and my girlfriend. As it turns out, staring down the barrel of a gun brought him to his senses, and there was absolutely ZERO negative repercussions for me.
I don't think he did anything wrong. First the guy was breaking in and legally not allowed in there without permission. Second the girl was trying to get away from him and went inside and locked the door. He then breaks down the door. Lets say instead of the house she went inside her car and locked it. The ex-boyfriend then breaks the glass of the car to get to her. Same concept. Once you cross those boundaries the victim can use the Castle Doctrine as a means to defend themselves on their property.
It became a lot like a landlord/tenant situation. In fact, her lawyer subsequently served him with a law suit for wrongful eviction, which prompted him to let her get the rest of her belongings. There is some nuance in the scenario, but there's no doubt in my mind I was legally in the right.
Why are you posting this for the world to see? Makes no sense, and what was the calibur of the gun you had again? I can't believe I just watched this
It's an interesting story about an example of how firearms can deter violence, that's why.
Saying "I will kill you" with a witness there wasn't a good move. If you did have to shoot and charges were filed she would end up testifying that you said that, and you are supposed to shoot only to stop the threat NOT to kill. Without witnesses (or audio recordings) go ahead and say what you want but not with others observing.
Anon Z he said you will die. He didn't say how or that he will do it, so that's not admission of premeditation.
@@jimtheedcguy4313 it is if you're holding a weapon lol
I had a retired NYC police officer tell me one time that no matter what the circumstances with killing a perp in a home invasion (perp's weapon type or no weapon), tell them he/she said they were going to kill me. It might have been a joke. I am from the say nothing until I get my lawyer school.
"This is my weapon, this is my gun. This is for shooting, this is for fun" You pulled out your gun? Lol!
:) I was in the Navy
richard wysham Thats Awesome!
I agree with most commenters. It doesn't seem like you had reason to fear for your life unless you are just very easy to scare. I know using your fists in a situation like this may lead to getting your ass beat but sometimes that's just how it goes. In fact, I feel like if this guy was carrying he would have been justified in shooting you since he had every right to fear for his life after you "drew down" on him. I was a juror on a 2nd degree murder trial. A older, nice, never in trouble before older guy had a confrontation with a younger, much bigger guy. The younger guy was about to whip that ass and the older guy pulls his handgun, the younger guy picks up a chair and charges, the older guy shoots. You would think the older guy was justified since the young guy picked up a deadly weapon but he had a right to grab the chair cause the old guy had pulled his gun first. Old guy was convicted of 2nd degree murder. It was tough cause he had a family and had never been in any trouble but it was clear that he pulled the gun without fearing for his life. He should have thrown down instead of drawing down. May have had some black eyes but wouldn't be in prison. But hey it was a stressful situation and a lot of people would probably have been scared and pulled a gun. People don't like to fist fight anymore.
consider that if one believes himself in imminent danger he is allowed to take an appropriate level of action to reduce that danger, or perceived danger. if we comb over the facts from the safety of our own homes later, and come to the conclusion that maybe he wasn't in a life-threatening situation after all, that most certainly does not mean he'd be found guilty of anything. in the heat of the moment when there are lots of variables at play and time is of the essence, he might have come to a different conclusion than we do after the fact. you are allowed to be wrong. the only thing that matters is what his state of mind was at the time, knowing what he knew at the time. in order to give a conviction you must be shown beyond a doubt what his state of mind was at that point in the past ( how could one show what the state of mind of another person was at some point in the past? even in theory? ) and that state of mind must have been "i'm not in imminent danger but i want to shoot this guy anyway" and oh yeah, this is a guy with presumably no violent offenses of any kind on his record, but he just decided to shoot a guy one day. seems like a far fetched proposal to me.
and in regards to the case you were a juror on, do you not think a small old frail man has the right to defend himself from a much larger, much younger man who is violently attacking him? i think i know the answer to that, but wow. your comment basically reads "the old man was a criminal for defending himself, and should have taken the ass-beating" if somehow, hypothetically, you could show that the young man was going to "kick his ass" and not leave him with grievous wounds, or beat him to death, but just give him a few punches then walk away then i guess in that hypothetical impossible scenario i'd have to say yes, pulling a gun was not justified. but as you laid it out he most certainly was justified in stopping the imminent threat which he had no way of knowing if the young aggressor was going to kill him, leave him with serious bodily injury, land one hard strike then take the gun from him at which point we would only assume he's going to turn the victim's own gun against him
"it was clear he pulled the gun without fearing for his life" it scares me that these words can come from someone serving on jury duty on a case like this. how was it clear? i don't think it was clear at all. if ANYTHING i'd say he had good reason to be in fear. so it was justified. at the VERY LEAST it would be inconclusive and the case should be thrown out. I feel sorry for that man that you and the others got it so, so wrong.
You need to stick to engineering and geeking out on data and leave the “going tactical” to others. Lmao.
Watch out who the hell you are dating!! Wad she with it??
Breaking into a home in a loud and manner is reason for deadly force even in ILLINOIS. He kicked down a door and criminally trespassed. Even in ILLINOIS you could of smoked him. You gave him a choice... no blood, no foul.
Tbh I'm scared to call the cops if I use my gun in defense .
Now that you have come to recognize that trouble doesn't make appointments, you owe to yourself, your woman friend, and the public to get some training and become informed as to your rights and responsibilities in the judicious use of force.
I am going to say that I'm really glad you and her are O.K. I carry but always fear I'll have to defend my wife or L.E.O., or even an innocent stranger. I find it ironic that people can hear your story and actually know how they would react. I personally am so afraid of how I would be forced to react that I can only pray I handled it as well as you did. I would use caution though in sharing the experience on an open forum like youtube because of the legal wrangling. Again, I don't know exactly how I would handle it but hope I would have the presence of mind to handle it as well as you did! I would also like to add that I'm a veteran martial artist with 2 black belts in 2 different arts and have my Texas C.H.L. and have trained aggressively and still I am concerned on how this would turn out. I guess that's what reality will really teach you!
Thanks for your kind comments. They make this video worth it. You are correct, I vividly recollect that moment where I am pointing that gun at him and he is looking at me. I don't think I have ever felt that much anxiety in a single moment ever in my life. And there was part of my brain that was telling me I would not pull the trigger on this man, and I remember silencing that voice, like flipping a switch and turning it off. I would have done it, and I am very thankful that I didn't.
I tried to put myself in your position. I believe you demonstrated remarkable strength, courage and judgement. How were you to know that this home invador wasn't armed and intent on harming you and your girlfriend? I believe you could have justifiably neutralized that individual without any warning upon coming through the door. Congratulations for being poised enough to keep your cool, protecting your loved one and yourself.
In my mind, that guy was way lucky to have been able to walk away. He owes you!
I would love to see a follow up to this. As a guy that's watched a ton of uscca videos I was yelling at you to stop talking without your attorney 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Rosecoe, just ran across your video. You did great for your first post man. I really enjoyed your story, it's a great reminder of when the "red flag" goes up, how quickly things escalate. I applaud your handling of the heated circumstance and is exemplary for those who might find themselves in similar circumstances.
So lemme get this straight. Crazy guy ramming door, breaks it in and then you drew your firearm? Youre lucky to be alive.
Justified draw. But on the subject of ball ammo / FMJ / target ammo, they might go through more than you want; consider hollow points to cut the risk of hitting something/someone beyond the intended target. 2A forever!
Dude, you're an engineer... Step up to a 9mm, at least.
Agreed. I would never carry anything smaller than a 9mm. A .380 is better than nothing but most people will soak up a few of those before they hit the pavement
In Florida ,you could have shot him if you felt in fear if harm or death. However,my solution is to study Aikido and carry, your situation probably could have been neutralized with an Aikido technique, he would have been on the ground with pain that would hold him until the house was empty. I carry all the time but I let aikido do my light work , not the gun.
Lol are you just joking?
Good deal man. Thanks for sharing your story. Guns can be tools for preventing violence and your story is a fine example of that.. God bless America.
*Deadly force* is justified only when undertaken to prevent the imminent and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.The use of persuasion and conflict reduction rather than to resort to the use of force is requires assertiveness and courage. This requires an assessment of the ability, opportunity, and intention of an aggressor necessary to cause serious or lethal harm. I am old and not as sharp as I used to be. If you want to test my assessment skills at this point, it might not meet your needs over time.
but does a large fighting aged male charging violently towards you in a threatening manner pose an imminent and potentially deadly threat? I think nobody would argue that it does not.
A lot of cops act like they are the only ones with a right to defend their life.
@@garyhaley3072 More verbal diarrhea.
Never date a separated woman. Make sure her divorce is final first. Never unholster your firearm unless you're prepared to use it and you're prepared for the consequences of using it.
I enjoyed the story but I have to say, I HATE when someone calls it a 380 auto.. it's a 380... that's it...
P.S. I carry my side arm everywhere I go, I've been into disputes some a little physical but I have never considered pulling my weapon out to "defend my self".
Good for you, HanCOCK LMAO
I pull the Ooooooozi nine millaah meeterrrr when needed if I feel my life is in dangers.........
A bit of a brag for a sad situation. I know she's now YOUR girl now but what has she done to this guy to make his angry? It was his house and he didn't assault you. "unloading ball rounds on his ass." Dude, too much! Wait to see what she does to you in the future.
Certainly not bragging. Killing another person is not something I ever hope to have to do. But I’m not going to stand by while a man physically assaults my girlfriend. That might be how you deal with things, but that’s not how I handle things. And you may think it’s acceptable for a man to accost a woman under certain circumstances, but if so, you obviously weren’t raised correctly. Or perhaps you’ve lost a woman to another man and therefore feel some affinity towards this guy. His actions were wrong, and he got what he deserved.
Calm down Roscoe, it seems you are quite the reactionary. The man in question is at his house, you have locked him out which is exactly what bothered you and your girlfriend so much. But he is not supposed to be upset at being locked out as well. It's a two way street. It's Ok if you are upset, but not him? I'm all for protecting someone from harm however drawing down on a man entering into his own home who has not put a hand on anyone shouldn't get a loaded gun barrel put in his face by some new boyfriend. As you explained the situation she wasn't near him. Of course all we hear is your side of the story and I doubt if he or even she has the exact same story. You on the other hand are the only one who brought deadly force to play. It sounds like these two individuals involved in this divorce have been going at it for quite some time yet no restraining orders were in place it was all a civil matter. Now, MR. Boyfriend steps in and a it is perceived by me that you are a bit of a braggart and showoff. You pull your gun. The first reaction we are taught as CWP holders is to retreat, step back. Yet you pulled your loaded pistol and as you say it "were ready to pop a cap" or some such wording. That's ridiculous. You can unholster you weapon and display it without shoving it into a mans face. My comments don't matter in the end. You chose to put it out here for us to see and comment on. Again my only question as before as you sit at your kitchen table, how long will it be before she owns half your house, decides she's not happy, has another new boyfriend and you are busting into your house? There are three sides to this story and the one you present isn't panning out like you thought. You are not a hero in my eyes, you protected no one, and you were by your own words willing to shoot this man. All for your girlfriend who was in no direct danger? A wise man you are not and you are carrying a gun. Buy the way, if you are serious about protecting life and limb get a real gun not that toy you carry. Frankly I;m surprised he doesn't sue you civilly. Good luck to you, I know I've said some harsh things but you invited it. I also see you got some good advice about not putting this stuff on social media. I suggest you take to heart these suggestions.
1. Back off
2. Display your gun don't draw down on an unarmed man in his own house who is not an immediate threat. ( this man showed good judgment by backing off. I know men who would have grabbed your little "gat" and beat you with it even if he had to take a hit from that pee shooter you have.
3. Don't brag on social media
4. You should wonder what is in store for your future with this woman.
Good luck to you and instead of reacting to your comments just learn from them.
It all worked out in my favor, not so much in his. If he thought he had a case he should have called the cops. He didn't though. Know why?
I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds like you may NOT have been justified. You and your girl had a right to be in the house at the time, but so did he, right? So he wasn't trespassing and your girl had no right to lock him out. And he did not pose an imminent danger to your life or hers.
As I say I'm not a lawyer, but ethically: if you had not had your gun, you or your girl or both might have been beaten up or injured, but by introducing your gun into the situation you escalated it to one where there was danger to someone's LIFE.
I could be wrong but this looks like a story which supports RESTRICTING gun rights, not enhancing them. Better for ten people to suffer beatings than for one to get killed (and another to face possible charges of murder).
Yeah. No.
What do you mean? Can you elaborate? Yeah WHAT? No WHAT? I'm open to persuasion but (speaking about the moral/ethical question, not the legal question) your response does not look correct to me.
Yeah, I read your comment and No I don't agree with it. He had no right to be there. He certainly had no right to aggressively pursue a fleeing woman into a locked house that she had the right to be in by breaking the door down. And putting a gun in his face ended the encounter with no one going to jail and no one getting hurt or killed. So I'd say it was a complete success story, and I'd do it again the same way if I had to do it over.
It was a success story THIS time.
I agree he should not have pursued her into the house and should not have busted the door. But you turned a risk-of-fisticuffs situation into a risk-of-death situation, and that is what (I think) is, at very least, ethically problematic.
A "risk of fisticuffs" situation IS a risk of death situation. It is not difficult at all to be killed by fists, it happens all the time. And I didn't know whether he was armed or not. Only a fool engages in a fist fight unnecessarily, and only an idiot brings fists to a gun fight.
I believe the replacement phrase you should have used where you said "you forcefully said get out" should be for future reference "authoritatively as possible"... remember you are defending, he was the aggressor!!!
yes and say that you want him arrested. even if you shot his brains out. say you want him arrested and keep repeating it over and over.
I believe you had the right to pull your firearm, I'm not an attorney. You actually put yourself in that situation. Why would you date a woman that's going through those issues? That was a dumb move on your part. And I watched you closely when your were telling the story. You were bragging.
I really wasn't. But you are entitled to your opinion. Thanks for watching.
Presenting ...yes and no....
You can't just randomly whip out your gun at random non life threatening situations...
BUT,...
IF You Fear a Threat is Life Threatening.... Then it is NOT Considered " Presenting " at that Point... You have to then.. Stop The Threat... You Did... Without Firing The Weapon...
...GOOD JOB...
GREAT VIDEO..!!
shall. not. be. infringed. no law against "presenting" no law against whipping it out "for no reason"
Handled yourself well...posting the video was probably a bad choice before the entire situation was resolved...but great example of what a real confrontation can look like!
Drama begets more drama.
In this case, drama put an end to more drama.
I'm glad to hear you say you did not want to shoot him. None of us should look for or want to shoot any person. Even if you say you can handle killing another person chances are you are not gonna be ok with it. Unless maybe something is wrong with you, or you are a little off in the head. If that's the case well you shouldn't have a gun in the first place. Anyway like the story you handled it well. Like I seen in another post maybe keep it off social media. You don't wanna have that out there.
this argument of PRESENTING from 2 of my friends with carry permits who had a situation of someone with a knife and the cops told them this is presenting, BS its called self defense!!! ITS A WAY FOR THESE COPS TO RULE AND PICK ON THOSE WITH THE RIGHT TO SELF DEFENSE!!!
I'm happy your assailant did not go home and return with a gun of his own. Overall, I think you did quite well.
I am a member of the United States Conceal Carry Association and darned glad I am. You should check them out for training and insurance as well as legal representation. You need that now, a.s.a.p. I don't think your ordeal is over. Your friend has a lawyer, but that doesn't help you. Get a lawyer now.
The USCCA can give you advice, but probably no legal representation since you're not a member.
Calling 911 was correct. The next thing you should have done was call your lawyer. I hope it's not too late.
5:17 went tactical on the guy! 🤣😂🤣😭
What a douche! LOL Alright, it was for dramatic effect. I was trying to be marginally entertaining.
With his .380 (:
Dude. Take this down asap. You talk way too much. At no point did you verbalize that you feared for your life or imminent bodily harm. Civil suits require less to prove wrongdoing.
I'll be okay. But thank you for your concern regarding my legal well-being.
Dump the headache and move on before you get in over your head because of her.
You did the right thing...it was a self defense reflex...and you don't have to be afraid for your life to pull out a gun...what about being afraid of getting your nose broken or getting into a fight where he pulls your gun out and kills both of you...sorry you had to go through that, a lot of idiots out there.
Sorry you had to listen to all the internet expert's below, people really do think they know it all! I thought just like some of those guys below who said you were not in fear for your life he only blew the door off the jam he was coming in to wrestle, and then after I had been in a fight with someone I got shot, thinking this is just a fist fight no need for guns. Im with you and you did the right thing no matter how you slice it you helped your girlfriend tried to stay out of the middle, sure you probably should have just let her leave her stuff or bought her new stuff those situations always end badly when people hate eachother and have to work out agreements like that. In the future I would not interact with that guy again with or without her there.
If I were on the jury, I would not be on your side. You may have been lucky this time and you averted a bad situation. But this is not a imminent life or death situation to present. Your personal feelings got the best of you..
Yep, it all worked out in my favor 100%. Have no clue what you're talking about, I'd do it all the same way again.
Tennis Time well here in texas ones some brakes in to your house you have right to draw your fire arm to stop the treat
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Looks as though Tennis time, WAIT!, really is that a name? lol it sure explains his hate for reality. Another idiot that has the ability to type while drunk. Damn, some of these people on here dont have a lick of sense. I think too many balls has hit him in the face, bouncing off his chin or something.
@@iwillnotcomply2230 he's just another typical anti-gunner libtard who sides with criminals. at least this one comes out and admits it
I was not there and only have your side of this story. However, you laid out the situation and it is very obvious that you had an idea that this domestic issue could escalate into a serious situation very quickly. The "X" was already on record for domestic violence requiring law enforcement action, he had changed the locks, and you were very aware that he meant business and took this court ruling on the house very seriously! You, not being an owner nor having any lawful right to even be on the property took it upon yourself (since you had the confidence of the almighty 380auto SERIOUSLY?) to become the self appointed overseer and protector of this girl who had lived with this guy for four years! I do not believe you had justification for drawing down on the guy. I think you were very lucky that the sherif deputy didn't book you and take you for a ride in his squad car. At the first instance of a heated argument between the former lovers a 911 call should have been made. Especially when she returned to the house locking the door behind her. This was a domestic violence situation that is most always based on emotions. Emotions get out of control very quickly and can become something that you and/or your girlfriend were never prepared for. I am glad you have your CHL (please get a better caliber) for just such cases but in this scenario you describe, there was plenty of time to make a 911 call and keep the cellphone active during the altercation as police arrived. I am a very firm believer in the 2nd amendment and I have been carrying everywhere for many years and I hope you continue to carry. However, please realize that having a concealed weapon doesn't mean that we should take matters into our own hands when the situation could be avoided. Something to think about.......If you had NOT been carrying the almighty 380auto would you have handled this situation differently? There, is the answer to your own question.
I would have just fought him. Not pulling my gun out for that one.
There was a lot of potential for this to go horribly wrong. Many people in prison or dead with similar stories that weren’t as lucky as you. Read the negative comments and learn from them. Good luck.
I generally don't put much credence in the admonishments of youtube comment-lawyers. But thanks for watching.
He probably bought the bedroom suit and kitchen suit
if he didn't had a gun or knife why you didn't just fist fought him?
I wouldn't of reported it to the police. No need to. The guy left.
You had your .380?
Was it in your purse? Or in your Bro-zier?
I just agree with your sentiment about it being bad video it was a very informed video in my opinion because 1 if you would have went outside there wouldn't have been as much proof that you were in a defense standpoint unless he accosted you or your girlfriend or at the time friend it was better for him to kick the door in like an idiot because that one proof that he wasn't coming in there in a friendly manner who just recently talked things out or anything I mean obviously the shouting in the driveway was proof enough that but you can't prove hearsay unless you have it on recording I'm glad you didn't have to shoot the dummy, and the police officer shirt guy was partially right but you were right in regard of Defending yourself with a handgun you do have to present it and point it which is a definite good deterrent and you handled the situation which if you wouldn't have been there could have gotten pretty bad pretty quickly for your girlfriend cuz God only knows what he would have done in that sense am I State they don't require a permit to carry concealed or unconcealed anymore thanks to our new governor which is Awesome by the way but all the same laws still apply a lot of people I know they have started carrying have not done enough research know all the laws that pertain to carrying a firearm. which is rule number one if you can get away and any other fashion then having to draw and fire your firearm that's what you should do but in your situation he was already through the door and into the entryway so turning around and running depending on how far you the way you were what is put you at risk not to mention it is at your house you don't know where the exits are so that was a smart thing to do in my opinion was to draw on point your firearm and stop good what could have been bad situation number two is never told your gun to show it off to anybody especially out in public even if you aren't threatening them and it's your friend that's brandishing which also is illegal and the one big thing that a couple of my friends that are caring now that I've been trying to educate them on is practice practice practice because if you get faced with a situation like similar to yours any attacker isn't deterred by your verbal command to leave or you know drawing and pointing your firearm at them you need to be able to maintain your Target because you are responsible for every bullet that leaves the muzzle of your gun so if you hit somebody that wasn't attacking you you were responsible for that and you may kill somebody accidentally or wounding them and you will face charges for that which is why I encourage them to practice because of my state it's okay to conceal or open carry as long as you're not a felon but the drawback is the people who carry now don't have to actually train like you have to in the concealed carry courses and stuff like that... I'm fortunate enough to know several police officers and lawyers who have taught me what I can and can't do...stay safe brother
I'm late to the discussion, but the use/threat of lethal force in self defense is only authorized, in most states, when you're in fear for your life or grevious bodily harm. When the officer asked you if you were in fear for your life, any answer other than a clear yes puts you in danger of legal trouble (criminal and/or civil).
If you answered with something along the lines of what you said during this video, ("I was defending myself/my girlfriend") you'd have been missing a key component in your defense (that you were in fear for your life or possible grevious bodily harm). That distinction is important in the scenario you painted because the guy was unharmed (so he wasn't inherently a deadly threat).
All that being said,, I'm glad everything turned out well and that you were there to help her.
You need to be careful. Pulling a gun is when you are in a life threatening situation. Is a stupid guy breaking a door trying to get at you a life or death situation? Probably not. You might goto jail for that. Pulling a gun because you don’t want to get into a possible fight? Not the best decision in my book. Did you need the gun to deescillate the situation? Probably not. Nonetheless, ofcourse if you had a gun pointed in your face you’re going to listen. No, not always. If that guy was really set on doing something that gun may have really become an issue if you two got into a tussle. I personally wouldn’t have drawn or even let him know I had a gun until he vocally told me he wanted to physically harm me or are at me being physical. That’s just me. And everyone reacts differently to verbal and physical altercations. I think you’re lucky he didn’t push the issue about you pointing a gun at him and either way he is wrong for just acting like a complete idiot. Guns and self defense is a tricky thing. Know a good lawyer. And never post your business on a public platform. You’ve already said way too much than your attorney would probably prefer.....
You seem like a really nice guy, just be careful.
Are you kidding me?
@@theplinkerslodge6361 nope. You’ll goto jail. Unless he’s got a gun. It will be even worse if he tries to leave and you don’t let him. Go get a lawyer. Sounds like you’re gonna need one. If someone was breaking in my house I’d beat their ass. And probably goto jail for that but I’m not going to kill someone. And spend the rest of my life in Jail because they’re a moron? Nope. I’ll take the assault charge and issue an ass whippin.
I keep POM OC spray on me for this type of situation.
I also keep my Springfield Hellcat as well, just in case.
Awful taste in women
Stupid remarks that you shouldn't drawn your gun after he committed violence on her BEFORE he busted door open .
He didn't barge in to play tiddlywinks
Anytime you feel your life or your safety is threatened by eminent great bodily harm you have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself and almost every state in the Union. Now the only question we would have here, is whether a person displaying enough Molly Force to forcibly break through a door? Is this playing enough forced to make you fear for your life? If you feared for your life or the life of the other young lady you're within your right to use deadly force.
A .380, really? Loose the baggage man.
You did yell but you have to be careful with saying "you're going to die"
Hey man hopefully you are still with this girl and going strong
I’m glad you were there to help a lady out. I’m not sure I agree with what you said about their domestic dispute was not your business, and then saying you were there to help s “friend” move? If I was your gf I’d be pissed you stated it like that. Again though, I’m glad you were there and carrying.
Interesting comment because she has seen this video, and truthfully, she didn't like the way I phrased that either. I think I stated it that way "matter of factly" for legal reasons, and because that's how I feel about it. Just because you're in a relationship with someone doesn't really give you a right to insert yourself into their past relationships. It is up to each of us to clean up our own messes and obtain closure for ourselves from our own mistakes. And the word "friend" sounds cold, distant, and guarded, and I will admit that frankly, I am.
I did not know you can have a 380 auto, and this must be one of those liberal states. Don't get me rong your a bigger man for not shooting.
You better not do a channel.you drilled the lock.breaking entering.you had no right to do that.should have gone to jail.
"went tactical" lol!
ya man I gotta agree with everyone you shouldn't have drew your firearm especially being on someone else's property ya that's bad news, you should've tried to deescalate the situation before jumping straight to deadly force I mean he didn't exactly break through the door with a chainsaw or axe lol think before you act bro drawing a pistol is something you can't undo
all I see here is a man operating well within the laws and protecting him and his...
380, nice womans gun
LOL I was moving furniture in shorts and a tee shirt that day, so I was packing light. It did it's job, though.
I feel ya bro, but u wernt in fear of ur life at that second. u should of been of sited for a crime. u & her were not injured. u got lucky. you were to quick on the draw. if he had a bat or hammer you would of been in the rite.
I know I don't have all of the facts so please don't take my remarks the wrong way. I'm not trying to be a jackass just giving you my opinion.
You handled this differently than I would have. I know I have the benefit of hearing the story and trying to think it out and you didn't have that luxury. That being said, I can't imagine a situation where I would send a woman, any woman, certainly not my significant other, out to confront someone who has a history of domestic abuse while I go to the bathroom. It sounds as if you knew there was going to be trouble, so in my mind the actions you took were way off course.
I'd like to hear if you would do things the same way if it were to happen again or if you would handle it differently.
I wouldn't do anything differently. I don't go around white knighting
for women, and my girlfriend can handle herself. She was in a
relationship with this guy and their business is none of mine. It all
worked out fine, everyone walked away, she got her stuff and will
probably win the suit against him form wrongful eviction. We haven't
heard anything from him since, all communication goes through the
lawyers.
Thanks for the reply
You're girfriend can handle herself? So what if you get married? The same past still exists and the same maniac ex boyfriend still exists - would you say the same thing? My wife can take care of herself? It's her business, her past, not mine?
Lol.. making sure your girlfriend is safe is white knighting? Would you have come out of the bathroom at all if you hadn't been carrying? Your lucky you were able to finish strong with the gun draw. I'm afraid she would have never forgotten your hiding in the bathroom otherwise. But in the end you got to stand up for her and even made the bad guy go away. Good turn around.
Obviously you don't know my girlfriend. Yeah, she can handle herself.
Forgot to ask: was your 380 in condition 1 or 3 ?
Stop slapping the table
"I went tactical and drew down on him"...... "Hard ball" ammo? Call of Duty Commando..... I bet he can't hit the broad side of a barn from 6 inches but probably gets a kd of 11.7 on call of duty.
These haters can't understand what you went through and why you did what you did so pay them no mind.
So you broke into his house and changed the locks. Then you locked him out of his house and when he breaks into his house, you draw a gun on him and threatened to kill him. Your own statement was that your wife had the right to remove her stuff from the house for 30 days. It's his house, she can ask him to let her in to recover her possessions. She should have removed her possessions if she thought that this would be a problem. If you shot him, this would have all come out in court and that stupid smirk would have been wiped off your face. Wise up.
If I'd have shot him he'd be dead. Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. As it turned out the guy fled. If you're right why did he flee? Why didn't he come back with the police? Why wasn't I arrested? Why did she end up getting her stuff? The outcome was completely in my favor. I won, he lost. I'd say I have a right to that smirk, go fuck yourself.
Which state, bubba?
Did you just say you use ball ammo in your carry weapon?
I generally carry FMJ rounds in my .380 acp because from what I've seen .380 hollow points tend to under-penetrate. In larger calibers I carry hollow point rounds.
When you found the locks were changed that’s when she should of called the law so they could of been there while she was doing her thing . This should of never went that far
This, I agree with. You know the guy has been around, is serious about things by changing locks. That is more than a tipoff that he isn't level.