Calling it 1. Paul Sr. will use his employees and full shop to do some OCC custom frame, tank, etc. 2. Sean will have a crispy bike that runs, sometimes. 3. Craig (and Greg) will have a fully running, well put together bike that is actually rideable, but not as custom as Paul Sr's impractical one.
Paul Sr doesn’t have the shop and employees like he used to. And, Sr was generally less into the big crazy choppers than Jr was. Most of the Sr bikes are still pretty wild, but at least reasonably rideable.
@The_Bearded_Mechanic that worked pretty well, I'm impressed. If you're going to get more into it, I'd suggest the oven. It really is a lot easier. Can't wait to see the V Rod in all her glory. PAUL Sr. Better come with all he's got.
i think his biggest problem was that the pressure might actually be too high. I never have that big of a cloud flying on to my parts because its guaranteed to be spotty and uneven. If you do that to a preheated part its going to be even worse. Just spray it on with a nice and even cloud and nog this big thick cloud, its wasting loads of powder(wich the cheap guns wil do anyway, but this is excessive)
Should be a second part to the build - what will each bike sell for. Shawn = nope. OCC = some value because of the OCC name. Craig = $$$ as a rideable bike!
Get yourself a GOOD filter mask before doing anymore coating. With all that stuff in the air, the filter and fan won't catch it all. Without a mask, you're inhaling some of the stray particles. If you and Dan like breathing and want to keep doing it, GET THE MASKS for both of you and wear safety gear. Like the channel and want you to keep doing it. Good luck with the V-rod.
Came to the comments to say this or upvote someone who already has. Can't reiterate the importance of a decent filtered mask or hood. A hood may be better since the mask needs clean shaven for a good seal (standard practice here in the uk)
@@MisterBrickalew I was thinking more about his choice to use a box fan and filters like you would for a paint booth. That filter has at least a few parts worth of powder that would have fallen to the tarp on the floor, to be swept up and re-used.
You could have just bought a used gas stove for $50-$100 bucks and just put it on broil. That's what I did and I drilled into the top and installed eye bolts to hang parts from. I could watch the parts bake threw the front glass.
@@GTIFabricAgree. I find 6.6 gallons is a practical volume for a sport-touring bike I use for daily and sport-touring. Which is also why my V65 with two tanks and not nearly enough volume is for sale.
I started Powder Coating in my shop, over 10 years ago with Harbor Freight stuff and homemade garbage. I ended up making an oven out of a discarded commercial refrigerator and two household ovens and some creative wiring it has worked like a charm, things can be achieved if you just think outside the box
I'm still waiting for the fabrication work how does a build off with no Custom Fabrication ? Course I'm not to the end of the video yet maybe he'll surprise me
I'm more intrigued as to what Sean is going to be doing. He's not a mechanic, he barely knows which end of a screwdriver to hold, he does not weld, he has no fabrications skills and doesn't paint. I wonder what exactly he will be doing? Maybe making coffee for the people he's going to have to have building his bike?
I have doing my own powder coating for years, If you are doing just small things, not like wheels. I just bought a cheap used oven from renovation company and I have been using that for years. Works great.
I love to see happy and positive Gregg ☺ Its funny when he's stressed but he's at his best when he's taking it all in his stride. Can't wait to see where this is going 👍
Just a heads up from someone who ran a powder coat department. Be very careful not to get too much powder in the air at one time in the booth, if you hit the right(wrong) ratio, sparks can and will ignite it and cause an explosion.
@ absolutely! Grain elevators explode relatively frequently because of this! The thing about powder coat that makes it slightly worse is the gun can spark under the right conditions, so you have the material and the ignition source
Awesome to see someone actually doing a bike build !! Much better than watching a fire marshall look over the ashes of what used to be a motorcycle. You are crushing it mate.
😂 fire Marshall! What I don't get is why he doesn't just make the good bike the build bike and use the burn bike for the parts😂 instead of pulling all the good parts off the good bike and try to integrate them to the burn bike 🤷♂️
oftentimes it may be overkill to wear respirator etc when you do what your doing just vary rarely. powder-coating seems to be different. you really really don't want to breath that stuff in. so please don't just get a respirator, use it too! we like to have you around some more :)
I had a Vrod years ago. I mounted a custom road glide fairing and put a tour pack on it. I've seen other people also make bagger touring style rods also.
bagger, V-rod, worst shxx all, any normal good human not ewer want worst bike what ewer has made V-rod and build this super ugly stupid bagger, must be brainless idiot if make thats.
The heat gun moves cool air, turns it hot, and then the hot air flows over the surface area into the thing to be heated. Without airflow, it won't work correctly. To speed things up, fill a cast iron Dutch oven with bricks, put it in an oven that was set 25 degrees over the target temp and sat for 1 hour. Immediately lower it into the drum. That will hold the heat in the drum.
I’m glad you went V Rod. Paul sr has built all sorts of evo bikes, never seen him build an early revolution engine. You definitely made it harder on yourself though, but when you pull it off you’ll bring something senior hasn’t done before. Let’s go!
I love how much work you put into the mini paint booth setup when behind you was 2 sandblasting booths 😂 Almost everyone I know starts off doing smaller pieces in those booths because of dust control and ease of powder recovery
I'm excited about this build off and I've never had a Harley Davidson but if I bought one I'd definitely be a VRod .. I'm rooting for Craig and Dan's bike. Have a great day y'all.
Craig, my winter project I picked up last week is a 1991 BMW K75 Resomod. This video is perfect timing since I want to learn how to powder coat. Perfect timing g and much appreciated! (Located in Iowa)
My friend, you came to the wrong place to learn powder coating! 🤣 There's plenty to learn here, just not that. Joking aside, the K75 is a sweet bike. What are you doing to it? Stock or custom?
@@Happyfacehotwheels It is starting as a well worn K75RT. It will get fully stripped, cleaned up, and heading toward the cafe look. I won’t be doing the full big $$ build, but making it look as clean as I can and do a mix of flat and gloss black with brass accents. I am 53, so this is really more a learning experience for me over the winter. It will be a fun toy and maybe one my son will ride and grow to next after his 1981 Honda CM400c we restored. I have an R1200RT that I ride as well as a KLR., but thought the early K engine is really interesting.
I don't currently have the funds to get into restoring bikes, so watching your videos is really scratching an itch for me. Excited to see how this bike turns out!
No matter who wins the biker buildoff, you have my vote for best videos. This is way more than just entertainment, you're running an educational program here. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
A trick I learned from a pro powder coater is to pre-heat the part prior to coating to release any potential oils or dirt that are trapped in the part. You don't want those sweating out once the powder is on and flowing. Clean the part as well as you can, pre-heat, cool, clean again, and then coat. A few extra steps, but his results were always perfect, so I guess it worked 😂
When we did powder coating, we used the least expensive shower stall we could buy at the local hardware store. Since the powder was recoverable, sweeping it down the drain made easy clean up and stretched the powder. We bought an electric range for $20 and used used the oven. It was big enough that we could fit a 16" wheel in it.
LOVE that you're building a v-rod. I've 2 customs, one DARK camo and one ALL chrome.........Great bike, you've got my VOTE!! You can put on stock inner/outer fender from an earlier bike to make the 240 rear stock wheel look a lot wider.....
I went to a used appliance store and bought an electric stove with a working oven. It holds temp predictably and modifying it was pretty easy. I added eye bolts to hang items. I only do small parts in shop. Anything bigger than will fit in the over goes out to a professional. The heat gun where overheating because there was to much back pressure. They need so much throughput of air to stay cool. Those may not get hot enough to heat that much air. I would suggest for version 2.0 a paint stripping heat gun. Variable temp and designed for poking use. The temp range is often much higher than a single temp gun.
I have rhe same powder coat system... it's decent no complaints.. if you get your parts figured out how you want them to hang in your over heat the parts up to get rid of moisture and then pull them out while they are hot and then coat them it'll take less powder and it'll stick alot better
hi greg from the uk ,you should have just put the metal front part of the heat gun only in the barrel ,that's why its collapsed , block them holes holes up and re drill ,enjoy your UA-cam .ronn
Dude it's "Craig". But it easy to see how you mixed it up, the way they pronounce it over there is real short, like "Creg". For the US-ians : the original Scottish/UK pronunciation is like... Crayg 😁
My method is to start with anodized parts, then match powder coat and paint to them. Pay a pro to do the paint and powder coating. Anodized fasteners are a sweet touch. Ball end allen wrenches and 6 point sockets are likely to save you from scratches.
theyre melting because you are forcing air in, but have no vent at the bottom to let excess air out, so it comes out of the heatgun, melting it. weld/ bolt eyelets inside of lid to hang things from
When you clean the part to powder coat it stick in the heat to get it to temp then paint it then back in heat to cure it. That will help the paint setup go right.
You picked a really weird bike as your base. I can't imagine a more difficult Harley to do a build with. Seems like an old iron head would have been a better choice but I appreciate the fact that you're challenging yourself and doing something different. I'll be curious to see what you do with it.
Try pre-heating the parts to close to curing temperature before shooting the powder. This helps with removing contamination from the surfaces to reduce outgassing.
When I was in kindergarten I remember them teaching us the metric system saying in 5 years everything was gonna be metric. I'm 38 now I don't think its gonna happen and I'm ok with it.
I powder coat for a living been doing it for over a decade. When you start coating don’t shake the gun that’s what’s causing the uneven powder build up. Easier to show than explain on UA-cam. Ground is very important like you said in the video. They say you shouldn’t but if I ever have trouble I use a cooper wire and hold it to the part. Just realized you are the ground at that point lol. Overall for a DIY job and not some industrial setup I really think it turned out good. Btw no prismatic is not the best. Try tiger drylac they have the most amazing colors.
Ideas to improve the Barrel: Hot air rises to the top, so the thermometer should be more in the middle. A handle from a cooking pot, attached to the lld of the barrel would make it a little safer and easier to open when hot. Threaded rods, could be attached to the lid as well, and the tips bent into a u shape so you could hang parts directly from them without having to open the plug and loosing heat. If you're planning to use this Barrel more often ;)
Yeah but 'Bike Customize Off' doesn't sound as good. Also you have to take the bike down and rebuild it, thus build the bike. You're being pedantic about it.
Slang can't be a misnomer, you know to "build" a car or bike can mean to add mods or change cosmetics. Oops did I say "bike" what a misnomer, I mean a motorcycle😂 oh btw look into linguistics, there's no such thing as "proper" speech, the only thing that matters is whether your audience understands you
You should stretch the swing arm, the bike is already long i think it would be a head turner for sure, plus its mainly done on imports. Great video as always 💯
hello i have done some powder coating so i can give some tips if you like try heat the item you are about to coat to 100 celcius , the coat will stick right up and then after coating put it in the oven to cure very important ALWAYS MASK the threads i watch every episode you are making and i love your work love from Greece
I bought a 220v electric oven from a mexican lady when i started powder coating. I bought a eastwood powder gun. I built a 40x40x6 oven with 4 elements to do atv and dirtbike frames. Its a cool hobby and can make some good money with it.
a couple weeks ago when you bought the bike dan mentioned you could cut into the wheels and make a design but you all didnt want to do that for structures sake which makes sense. instead of that i was thinking painting a design into the wheels would be cool. maybe like a swirl or something that would look dope if you were cruising low speed. it probably would work well as they are flat. just a thought love the channel
Definitely need to get an oven. It will make it way easier and you can do multiple parts at once. Good luck on the build off. Try to customize some parts. That's what Paul is known for. It will give you high style points!!☝🇺🇸💪🇺🇸🖒🇺🇸
I think the build off is going to come down to Craig and Sr. Sean may have some surprise in store for us, but from what I've seen so far, he seems to be doing more of a restoration than a custom build.
Put your negative lead onto the wire your piece is hanging from. That way you won’t leave a mark on your work piece. Also you’re blowing too much powder. Use a smaller nozzle and work around your work piece
Degrease your metal and powder the part while it is hot (bake it for like 30min). Bake again for like 20 min at 400 (Depending on the thickness of the metal). If you get a nice even coat then you shouldn't have any orange peel effect. Powder raw metal. Make sure your hanging system is clean between powders so you can get a good ground. You are supposed to be able to powder cold with just the electrode but I find powdering hot allows you to use less powder.
You can make better oven with a barrel but need to do it outside. Basically a big mound of dirt that you lay the barrel on sideways then cover all over including the back im dirt leaving just the open end. Dig under the barrel all the way to the back creating a little cavern. Fill the cavern with charcoal/wood and light it. Place the lid at the front of the barrel held with a prop and hey presto a huge oven. Or sit it upright cut out an opening on the side the bottom create a solid shelf at the top of the opening. Fill thr opening with charcoal/wood and light it up. Can do the same thing with bricks and you can then get it to over 2000°F which is hot enough to fire pottery.
U could get an stove outta marketplace some ppl give it out for free and then just take apart everything u wont need and just use the two elements put some heatshield just like u did with the barril and u good to go temp its gonna get up to 400 degress real quick thats what i did with mine and it works great never gave me any problem!! Keep the good work fam kudos from PA
Yo, thank you Craig, The video with the Oil flooded Suzuki helped me out a lot. I was fixing my grandfathers scooter and it had the exact same problem and I eventually got it to run and it smoked out the entire garage😂😂
I owned a 2008 Vrod anniversary and the brakes were terrible even when it was new. The front did an ok job but the rear was basically useless. Good luck with your build.
If you add lights in the green house you will be able to see more easily the spots that have a lighter coat of the powder. Just a tip for the bike parts.
you need a old electric oven nd then take the heat coil and related guts out and put it in your barrel. you can also make a big box out of sheet metal then wrap it in special oven insulation then more sheet metal. if you make one fridge sized you need 2 coils
Do something with those wheels. Maybe get some crazy design machined in them and matching design on the engine covers. I do like the solid wheels, they look like they could handle some serious power at a drag strip, but they could be improved. maybe just get them custom painted? Paint some crazy spokes on them?
You need to get a oven that someone is throwing out and rip the element and all the wiring out to install it in the barrel. Also notch 2 holes at either side so you can run a rod across to hand things on.
Preheat your parts. The powder sticks to the surface more evenly, you get a better looking result. You also use less powder. Don't heat all the way, just enough to make the surface"sticky".
I know you already have a plan for the v-rod, but the air filter under the " tank" got me thinking that you should relocate the speedo assembly and fab a ridiculous ram air scoop that goes up between the handlebars. 😂
I wish i was apart of this build cos i have some radical ideas for the rod but hey im not ......BUT if it were me i would go vfr single sided rear gsxr usd forks, cut off backbone and raise it like an old school chopp, put on a set of harly spit tanks and have the air cones coming up between the split tanks like an old school muscle car and the pipes come up either side of the rear fairing with tractor style put put cover flaps at the end with narly 16" chubby/burly apes
I was thinking the heat gun was going to melt. The hole needs to be the size of the tip of the gun or the metal part not the plastic. I was watching like no no wait. And just a heads up, holes and threads you want to cover because of the paint build up from the powder.
SUrprised you didnt have any issue with that primary cover. Both these V-Rods, and the Sturgis edition ST's have factory problems, Once you pull that cover, you wind up machining spacers to get it to seal correctly.
I would say to break down 2-3 old toaster ovens and mount them in the barrel. I am also assuming Craig is going to do a big part on the bike since he chose a 55 gallon drum over an old electric stove. Can’t wait to see what happens!
ha i was just going to comment on using heat guns. It totally works! I build a composites oven years ago that had two heat guns. I never needed two. it was a good size box too. I just used rigid foam insulation. 1 inch thick. it was like 5 foot by 3 foot tall by 3 foot wide. Sat on the concrete floor. I could easily heat it to 325 and hold it there for hours with only one heat gun running. Yr gonna be fine with one gun heating that barrel.
Calling it
1. Paul Sr. will use his employees and full shop to do some OCC custom frame, tank, etc.
2. Sean will have a crispy bike that runs, sometimes.
3. Craig (and Greg) will have a fully running, well put together bike that is actually rideable, but not as custom as Paul Sr's impractical one.
Oh dang.. modify The Rules, 500 mile road trip 👍😎✊
😂😂😂😂 very funny 👍
Paul Sr doesn’t have the shop and employees like he used to. And, Sr was generally less into the big crazy choppers than Jr was. Most of the Sr bikes are still pretty wild, but at least reasonably rideable.
Paul should've got that 1500 Kawasaki.
Paul aready is bending the rules by getting his bike with a 2k gift.
We just use a $100 electric oven for powder coating. A perfect finish every time. Make temperature regulation a lot easier than heat guns.
Simplest is usually best. I just saw this trick and had to give it a try.
@The_Bearded_Mechanic that worked pretty well, I'm impressed. If you're going to get more into it, I'd suggest the oven. It really is a lot easier. Can't wait to see the V Rod in all her glory. PAUL Sr. Better come with all he's got.
In the end, if you get two 40$ heatguns, you are almost at your 100$ oven. But the experiment sure looked interesting.
Yes an oven, kind of makes sense. can get up to temp, has door, has rack mounts, has temp gauge. has timer.
I picked up an oven for free off of craigslist
Best practice is to heat the item first, then spray it. It'll guarantee a smooth finish. 10 years powder coating snow guards.
Show up to work drunk, go to the bar after work
i think his biggest problem was that the pressure might actually be too high. I never have that big of a cloud flying on to my parts because its guaranteed to be spotty and uneven. If you do that to a preheated part its going to be even worse. Just spray it on with a nice and even cloud and nog this big thick cloud, its wasting loads of powder(wich the cheap guns wil do anyway, but this is excessive)
I always get the best results doing it this way. It bakes all the volatiles out of the metal and the powder sticks better.
Craig misunderstood the assignment. You are going up against OCC, the bike doesnt have to run or stop it just has to look "different"
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@@billme4192 🤣
lol "cake decorators"
Should be a second part to the build - what will each bike sell for. Shawn = nope. OCC = some value because of the OCC name. Craig = $$$ as a rideable bike!
It definitely has to stop, usually after a few seconds of running
Get yourself a GOOD filter mask before doing anymore coating. With all that stuff in the air, the filter and fan won't catch it all. Without a mask, you're inhaling some of the stray particles. If you and Dan like breathing and want to keep doing it, GET THE MASKS for both of you and wear safety gear. Like the channel and want you to keep doing it. Good luck with the V-rod.
I couldn't stop thinking about this while he was pouring the powder. Then he brushed the dust off the table...
Came to the comments to say this or upvote someone who already has. Can't reiterate the importance of a decent filtered mask or hood. A hood may be better since the mask needs clean shaven for a good seal (standard practice here in the uk)
@@MisterBrickalew I was thinking more about his choice to use a box fan and filters like you would for a paint booth. That filter has at least a few parts worth of powder that would have fallen to the tarp on the floor, to be swept up and re-used.
You could have just bought a used gas stove for $50-$100 bucks and just put it on broil. That's what I did and I drilled into the top and installed eye bolts to hang parts from. I could watch the parts bake threw the front glass.
Caring about how well the brakes work in a biker build off with OCC seems like misplaced priorities 🤣
@@TimInertiatic well, at least it should be more rideable than Paul's bikes 🤣
First an OCC bike would have to hold gas to worry about stopping
@@GTIFabricwhat, you're not happy with your .25L "tank" that only runs the bike for 20 seconds? It's art, man!
Yeah, but this bike should be in best condition, ready to sell,.. Can bring a lot of $ in.. When finished and fully working!?
@@GTIFabricAgree. I find 6.6 gallons is a practical volume for a sport-touring bike I use for daily and sport-touring. Which is also why my V65 with two tanks and not nearly enough volume is for sale.
I started Powder Coating in my shop, over 10 years ago with Harbor Freight stuff and homemade garbage. I ended up making an oven out of a discarded commercial refrigerator and two household ovens and some creative wiring it has worked like a charm, things can be achieved if you just think outside the box
I use an electric oven of marketplace for $50. Works great! Even came with its own timer an temp control.
I still don't understand how this is a build off, but I'm enjoying watching.
I'm still waiting for the fabrication work how does a build off with no Custom Fabrication ? Course I'm not to the end of the video yet maybe he'll surprise me
Creative vision is part of the design too. Let's see what kind of paint job he has done
I'm more intrigued as to what Sean is going to be doing. He's not a mechanic, he barely knows which end of a screwdriver to hold, he does not weld, he has no fabrications skills and doesn't paint. I wonder what exactly he will be doing? Maybe making coffee for the people he's going to have to have building his bike?
I have doing my own powder coating for years, If you are doing just small things, not like wheels. I just bought a cheap used oven from renovation company and I have been using that for years. Works great.
I love to see happy and positive Gregg ☺ Its funny when he's stressed but he's at his best when he's taking it all in his stride. Can't wait to see where this is going 👍
Craig, I love how you explain the workings. Simple, and easy to comprehend. ❤
I'm an Electronics Tech by trade, but I do love 'wrenching' on my cars.
Just a heads up from someone who ran a powder coat department. Be very careful not to get too much powder in the air at one time in the booth, if you hit the right(wrong) ratio, sparks can and will ignite it and cause an explosion.
It can happen with ANY powdery material if fine enough and the ratio's right (flour, wood dust, etc.)
@ absolutely! Grain elevators explode relatively frequently because of this! The thing about powder coat that makes it slightly worse is the gun can spark under the right conditions, so you have the material and the ignition source
Awesome to see someone actually doing a bike build !! Much better than watching a fire marshall look over the ashes of what used to be a motorcycle. You are crushing it mate.
😂 fire Marshall! What I don't get is why he doesn't just make the good bike the build bike and use the burn bike for the parts😂 instead of pulling all the good parts off the good bike and try to integrate them to the burn bike 🤷♂️
oftentimes it may be overkill to wear respirator etc when you do what your doing just vary rarely. powder-coating seems to be different. you really really don't want to breath that stuff in. so please don't just get a respirator, use it too! we like to have you around some more :)
I enjoyed the organised chaos with the power gun and oven. Brilliant 😃
I had a Vrod years ago. I mounted a custom road glide fairing and put a tour pack on it. I've seen other people also make bagger touring style rods also.
bagger, V-rod, worst shxx all, any normal good human not ewer want worst bike what ewer has made V-rod and build this super ugly stupid bagger, must be brainless idiot if make thats.
The heat gun moves cool air, turns it hot, and then the hot air flows over the surface area into the thing to be heated.
Without airflow, it won't work correctly.
To speed things up, fill a cast iron Dutch oven with bricks, put it in an oven that was set 25 degrees over the target temp and sat for 1 hour. Immediately lower it into the drum. That will hold the heat in the drum.
I don't think Harbor freight sells dutch ovens or bricks...
There will be no room left inside the drum for the parts...
Another brilliant walk thanks for taking us on some wonderful adventures 😊
I’m glad you went V Rod. Paul sr has built all sorts of evo bikes, never seen him build an early revolution engine. You definitely made it harder on yourself though, but when you pull it off you’ll bring something senior hasn’t done before. Let’s go!
Is senior watching these video's?
@@garysnyder6020 😂😂😂😂😂
Just watched Srs video. He got a $5000 bike for $3000 or at least that's was his story....😂
@@michi_dankstathat leaves him no money to do anything to the bike.
@@1MartinWaite$3k was just the base bike budget. They've got $15k max I think to do the entire build.
I love how much work you put into the mini paint booth setup when behind you was 2 sandblasting booths 😂
Almost everyone I know starts off doing smaller pieces in those booths because of dust control and ease of powder recovery
Sometimes Craig would rather walk the road less traveled. Which is fine, a little excessive, but fine.
"Onward and Upward" one step at a time. You've got this.
I'm excited about this build off and I've never had a Harley Davidson but if I bought one I'd definitely be a VRod .. I'm rooting for Craig and Dan's bike. Have a great day y'all.
Craig, my winter project I picked up last week is a 1991 BMW K75 Resomod. This video is perfect timing since I want to learn how to powder coat. Perfect timing g and much appreciated! (Located in Iowa)
My friend, you came to the wrong place to learn powder coating! 🤣
There's plenty to learn here, just not that.
Joking aside, the K75 is a sweet bike. What are you doing to it? Stock or custom?
BMW factory not can ewer build any good bike, all has big poop.
@@Happyfacehotwheels It is starting as a well worn K75RT. It will get fully stripped, cleaned up, and heading toward the cafe look. I won’t be doing the full big $$ build, but making it look as clean as I can and do a mix of flat and gloss black with brass accents. I am 53, so this is really more a learning experience for me over the winter. It will be a fun toy and maybe one my son will ride and grow to next after his 1981 Honda CM400c we restored. I have an R1200RT that I ride as well as a KLR., but thought the early K engine is really interesting.
I don't currently have the funds to get into restoring bikes, so watching your videos is really scratching an itch for me. Excited to see how this bike turns out!
No matter who wins the biker buildoff, you have my vote for best videos. This is way more than just entertainment, you're running an educational program here. 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Craig Nye the science guy?
Right?! Paul's video was like 4 minutes long! At least we get to see something with Craig and Sean!
A trick I learned from a pro powder coater is to pre-heat the part prior to coating to release any potential oils or dirt that are trapped in the part. You don't want those sweating out once the powder is on and flowing. Clean the part as well as you can, pre-heat, cool, clean again, and then coat. A few extra steps, but his results were always perfect, so I guess it worked 😂
Acid based detergent will clean and etch the material no need to preheat
What an amazing Video!
Thank you so much.
When we did powder coating, we used the least expensive shower stall we could buy at the local hardware store. Since the powder was recoverable, sweeping it down the drain made easy clean up and stretched the powder. We bought an electric range for $20 and used used the oven. It was big enough that we could fit a 16" wheel in it.
A new video to kickstart the weekend 🥳🥳🥳
LOVE that you're building a v-rod. I've 2 customs, one DARK camo and one ALL chrome.........Great bike, you've got my VOTE!! You can put on stock inner/outer fender from an earlier bike to make the 240 rear stock wheel look a lot wider.....
Love from India🇮🇳!
I went to a used appliance store and bought an electric stove with a working oven. It holds temp predictably and modifying it was pretty easy. I added eye bolts to hang items.
I only do small parts in shop. Anything bigger than will fit in the over goes out to a professional.
The heat gun where overheating because there was to much back pressure. They need so much throughput of air to stay cool.
Those may not get hot enough to heat that much air. I would suggest for version 2.0 a paint stripping heat gun. Variable temp and designed for poking use. The temp range is often much higher than a single temp gun.
I enjoy these updates / vids.
Back in the day I worked at a fence company, we did our own powdercoating on small items. A cheap kitchen oven is what we used.
I have rhe same powder coat system... it's decent no complaints.. if you get your parts figured out how you want them to hang in your over heat the parts up to get rid of moisture and then pull them out while they are hot and then coat them it'll take less powder and it'll stick alot better
Awesome job guys!! Keep pushing and learning!
hi greg from the uk ,you should have just put the metal front part of the heat gun only in the barrel ,that's why its collapsed , block them holes holes up and re drill ,enjoy your UA-cam .ronn
He should have done a lot of things, but that's not his style.
Dude it's "Craig". But it easy to see how you mixed it up, the way they pronounce it over there is real short, like "Creg".
For the US-ians : the original Scottish/UK pronunciation is like... Crayg 😁
My method is to start with anodized parts, then match powder coat and paint to them. Pay a pro to do the paint and powder coating. Anodized fasteners are a sweet touch. Ball end allen wrenches and 6 point sockets are likely to save you from scratches.
Used Electric Home oven from Facebook Marketplace? probably cheaper, definitely more time savings
I knew someone who had a side job doing power coating. They used a toaster oven for smaller parts, and a used kitchen oven for larger stuff.
theyre melting because you are forcing air in, but have no vent at the bottom to let excess air out, so it comes out of the heatgun, melting it. weld/ bolt eyelets inside of lid to hang things from
At this rate, Craig will become a Blacksmith and forge bikes.
When you clean the part to powder coat it stick in the heat to get it to temp then paint it then back in heat to cure it. That will help the paint setup go right.
Not, "98% chance it will work." It's, "a 2% chance of complications with a 98% chance of success. "
I've done something similar, after much playing around with the process I found out pre heating the part gets perfect results
I love that the first thing you did was put Japanese brake calipers on the bike so they would work.
Well it is a HD hat would you expect him to do get titanium boots for brakes? 😊😊😊
Good luck Craig! You got this! Can't wait to see the final results.
Small weekend with Craig and Dan 😊
My powder coating buddy has an old gas range he converted into his parts baker. Works pretty good but limited on size. Kool video!
Is that a harly with twin cam heads?
I didn't think they even knew you could do that
Porsche helped
@EnergyXyz between the two of them I'm surprised it's not aircooled
This Easy Bake Oven is awsome. You get it perfected for us, cause I could use one. GREAT IDEA CRAIG!!
You picked a really weird bike as your base. I can't imagine a more difficult Harley to do a build with. Seems like an old iron head would have been a better choice but I appreciate the fact that you're challenging yourself and doing something different. I'll be curious to see what you do with it.
Try pre-heating the parts to close to curing temperature before shooting the powder. This helps with removing contamination from the surfaces to reduce outgassing.
Imagine how beautiful the world would be if everyone used Metric...
When I was in kindergarten I remember them teaching us the metric system saying in 5 years everything was gonna be metric. I'm 38 now I don't think its gonna happen and I'm ok with it.
@@bczarrockbeast6264 I really like the way imperial handles threads compared to metric. Much better!
@@jobertvangool9961 agreed. Imagine one standard of fastener for everything!
But you'd still be missing the 10mm socket
And drove on the left.
I powder coat for a living been doing it for over a decade. When you start coating don’t shake the gun that’s what’s causing the uneven powder build up. Easier to show than explain on UA-cam. Ground is very important like you said in the video. They say you shouldn’t but if I ever have trouble I use a cooper wire and hold it to the part. Just realized you are the ground at that point lol. Overall for a DIY job and not some industrial setup I really think it turned out good. Btw no prismatic is not the best. Try tiger drylac they have the most amazing colors.
first maybe
wasnt first but excited!
@@TsnBanks according to the list, you were in fact first.
It's important to get excited
Firstish
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Usually more than one at same time as the first group bunched together, excited.
Ideas to improve the Barrel: Hot air rises to the top, so the thermometer should be more in the middle.
A handle from a cooking pot, attached to the lld of the barrel would make it a little safer and easier to open when hot.
Threaded rods, could be attached to the lid as well, and the tips bent into a u shape so you could hang parts directly from them without having to open the plug and loosing heat.
If you're planning to use this Barrel more often ;)
"Build" is a misnomer. It's a customization of an existing bike.
Yeah but 'Bike Customize Off' doesn't sound as good. Also you have to take the bike down and rebuild it, thus build the bike. You're being pedantic about it.
Slang can't be a misnomer, you know to "build" a car or bike can mean to add mods or change cosmetics. Oops did I say "bike" what a misnomer, I mean a motorcycle😂 oh btw look into linguistics, there's no such thing as "proper" speech, the only thing that matters is whether your audience understands you
You should stretch the swing arm, the bike is already long i think it would be a head turner for sure, plus its mainly done on imports. Great video as always 💯
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I’ll send a cookie to you
don't forget your Helmet before you catch the SpEd Bus.
hello i have done some powder coating so i can give some tips if you like
try heat the item you are about to coat to 100 celcius , the coat will stick right up
and then after coating put it in the oven to cure
very important ALWAYS MASK the threads
i watch every episode you are making and i love your work
love from Greece
Connect only the inner tube of the heatgun. The mantle tube is for cooling the plastic so it does not melt.
I bought a 220v electric oven from a mexican lady when i started powder coating. I bought a eastwood powder gun. I built a 40x40x6 oven with 4 elements to do atv and dirtbike frames. Its a cool hobby and can make some good money with it.
a couple weeks ago when you bought the bike dan mentioned you could cut into the wheels and make a design but you all didnt want to do that for structures sake which makes sense. instead of that i was thinking painting a design into the wheels would be cool. maybe like a swirl or something that would look dope if you were cruising low speed. it probably would work well as they are flat. just a thought love the channel
Definitely need to get an oven. It will make it way easier and you can do multiple parts at once. Good luck on the build off. Try to customize some parts. That's what Paul is known for. It will give you high style points!!☝🇺🇸💪🇺🇸🖒🇺🇸
Cool exhaust, cool tank, cool wheels, flashy paint job. Job done.
A 55gal barrel oven, way interesting. Although, I think all your pieces could be done in a toaster oven someone is throwing out.
I think the build off is going to come down to Craig and Sr. Sean may have some surprise in store for us, but from what I've seen so far, he seems to be doing more of a restoration than a custom build.
Put your negative lead onto the wire your piece is hanging from. That way you won’t leave a mark on your work piece.
Also you’re blowing too much powder. Use a smaller nozzle and work around your work piece
I feel like you could’ve got a Pit Barrel Cooker with all the holes you needed already there. It’s a great BBQ pit, BTW. 😊
Degrease your metal and powder the part while it is hot (bake it for like 30min). Bake again for like 20 min at 400 (Depending on the thickness of the metal). If you get a nice even coat then you shouldn't have any orange peel effect. Powder raw metal. Make sure your hanging system is clean between powders so you can get a good ground. You are supposed to be able to powder cold with just the electrode but I find powdering hot allows you to use less powder.
Heat excites electrons, which would probably slightly aid with deposition from the positively charged powder.
Try hot flocking. Heat the part before spraying. Shortens cure and coats better than cold with static.
You can make better oven with a barrel but need to do it outside. Basically a big mound of dirt that you lay the barrel on sideways then cover all over including the back im dirt leaving just the open end. Dig under the barrel all the way to the back creating a little cavern. Fill the cavern with charcoal/wood and light it. Place the lid at the front of the barrel held with a prop and hey presto a huge oven. Or sit it upright cut out an opening on the side the bottom create a solid shelf at the top of the opening. Fill thr opening with charcoal/wood and light it up. Can do the same thing with bricks and you can then get it to over 2000°F which is hot enough to fire pottery.
I love that your doing a vrod I've owned 2 (one got totaled) they're criminaly underrated
U could get an stove outta marketplace some ppl give it out for free and then just take apart everything u wont need and just use the two elements put some heatshield just like u did with the barril and u good to go temp its gonna get up to 400 degress real quick thats what i did with mine and it works great never gave me any problem!! Keep the good work fam kudos from PA
That was so funny, Sean was nuts starting out with a piece of charcoal, you guys are on a roll, great job. Have a blessed week my friend
Yo, thank you Craig, The video with the Oil flooded Suzuki helped me out a lot. I was fixing my grandfathers scooter and it had the exact same problem and I eventually got it to run and it smoked out the entire garage😂😂
I owned a 2008 Vrod anniversary and the brakes were terrible even when it was new. The front did an ok job but the rear was basically useless. Good luck with your build.
Man that's work. Many people just use old used ovens. People upgrade their kitchens all the time.
Hallelujah! Good job
If you add lights in the green house you will be able to see more easily the spots that have a lighter coat of the powder. Just a tip for the bike parts.
Right on! I learned a lot and was entertained. Thanks again, Fellers! I'm rootin' for ya!
you need a old electric oven nd then take the heat coil and related guts out and put it in your barrel. you can also make a big box out of sheet metal then wrap it in special oven insulation then more sheet metal. if you make one fridge sized you need 2 coils
Do something with those wheels. Maybe get some crazy design machined in them and matching design on the engine covers. I do like the solid wheels, they look like they could handle some serious power at a drag strip, but they could be improved. maybe just get them custom painted? Paint some crazy spokes on them?
You need to get a oven that someone is throwing out and rip the element and all the wiring out to install it in the barrel. Also notch 2 holes at either side so you can run a rod across to hand things on.
Preheat your parts. The powder sticks to the surface more evenly, you get a better looking result. You also use less powder. Don't heat all the way, just enough to make the surface"sticky".
Can't wait. Loving what your doing.
I know you already have a plan for the v-rod, but the air filter under the " tank" got me thinking that you should relocate the speedo assembly and fab a ridiculous ram air scoop that goes up between the handlebars. 😂
I love your powder coating booth, Great video!
Starting in the right direction, I love powder coating. Very durable.
I wish i was apart of this build cos i have some radical ideas for the rod but hey im not ......BUT if it were me i would go vfr single sided rear gsxr usd forks, cut off backbone and raise it like an old school chopp, put on a set of harly spit tanks and have the air cones coming up between the split tanks like an old school muscle car and the pipes come up either side of the rear fairing with tractor style put put cover flaps at the end with narly 16" chubby/burly apes
I was thinking the heat gun was going to melt. The hole needs to be the size of the tip of the gun or the metal part not the plastic. I was watching like no no wait. And just a heads up, holes and threads you want to cover because of the paint build up from the powder.
Good thinking and good work!
Hey, thanks for posting this on my day off. I got a cool buzz going. 🤣🤘
SUrprised you didnt have any issue with that primary cover. Both these V-Rods, and the Sturgis edition ST's have factory problems, Once you pull that cover, you wind up machining spacers to get it to seal correctly.
Hi guys a cheap chinease diesel hester run the exhaust threw your drum the heat will build up quicker and hold a lot hotter.😮
I would say to break down 2-3 old toaster ovens and mount them in the barrel. I am also assuming Craig is going to do a big part on the bike since he chose a 55 gallon drum over an old electric stove. Can’t wait to see what happens!
"the trick is, to write it down"
there's *so* much wisdom, gathered over years of "ehmm...", in that sentence. it truly is a great trick!
ha i was just going to comment on using heat guns. It totally works! I build a composites oven years ago that had two heat guns. I never needed two. it was a good size box too. I just used rigid foam insulation. 1 inch thick. it was like 5 foot by 3 foot tall by 3 foot wide. Sat on the concrete floor. I could easily heat it to 325 and hold it there for hours with only one heat gun running. Yr gonna be fine with one gun heating that barrel.
Use a countertop burner in the bottom of the barrel. Relocate the rheostat outside the barrel for temp control.