A local bike dealer here in Portsmouth in the UK caught fire in the late 70's and the staff were running around trying to get all of the bikes out of the showroom. One of the lads started pushing out an RE5 and the shop owner grabbed the bike and shouted "No, no. These can burn. Its the only way we'll ever get any money for the bloody thing!" and wheeled it back in.
I bought my Suzuki GT380B from a dealer in Portsmouth in 1978. They had a row of unsold, new RE5 bikes. I wish I’d bought the year older GT550A they also had but no way I could afford the insurance. I still own that 380! And I’ve added a Kettle 15 years ago.
@@lardycake70 You know, I’m sure it was Rafferty Newman. Sounds incredibly familiar. Plate is “OOW xxxS” which is somewhere along the south coast I think?
@@GT380mannice, my first bike was a GT380, then after a year I sold it and got the GT750. That 750 was the fastest bike I ever owned 0-100, wish I still had it
I got my 1988 k100 running. $500 on marketplace, $500 in parts and it fired right up! Never would have attempted it if i hadnt watched every video on this channel
Assuming you're referring to a bmw k100, they're great bikes! I also bought one for $500 years ago and took it on a 500 mile road trip after getting it running. Good times!
Suzuki at the time wouldn't allow disassembly of the engine and had safety wired all bolts ending in a lead safety seal. All engine work had to be done at the factory. We were not allowed to do anything at the dealership. One of my mechanics owned a Re5 and we had to ship it 4 times to suzuki for engine repairs. Amazing engineering for the time. Great video, brings back memories.
@@spartanx169x Well, we're talking early to mid 70's, so early days for rotaries. Mazda was about the only other company with any experience with them, so I imagine Suzuki was leery of letting dealership techs work on them. This isn't that unusual: GM had a similar policy regarding LT5 equipped C4 Corvettes, requiring the engines be shipped to Mercury Marine, who helped design and build them. The bigger question is why didn't they partner with Mazda on this thing to help share the load, these engines were maintenance heavy and I imagine this thing burned through apex seals at an insane rate. I assume Mazda wasn't having their dealers ship their rotaries back to Japan when they needed repairing, maybe to specific service centers in the US. Otherwise, getting into rotary powered bikes in the 1970s looks certifiably insane if you wanted to do it all on your own, especially if you're handling repairs centrally. I imagine the theoretical power output of a 500cc rotary dazzled everyone at Suzuki!!!
Exactly our dealership had to send the engine part directly to Japan and they sent us a new engine part to be bolted on to the customer's bike it had a seal on it
I sold a brand new one and then ended up owning it it was like a great big two-stroke but it was smoother.. the rotor / engine and transmission could be split from each other and of course the carburetor was really something different
Short answer yes…long answer no, it all depends on which 500cc piston engine you’re comparing it to , but generally rotary engines are comparable in power to a larger displacement piston engine, but the way a rotary engine fires means the actual displacement is arguably different than the indicated 500cc , to be fair it’s not fair to compare by displacement alone
@@smoll.miniatures I rode one for 3 years and I can say that bike in particular was just a cruiser although it wound up really interesting it would not beat the Titan
You mean so much to me craig, starting my first project bike this sunday because of you. To everyone reading this: enjoy the Video and greetings from germany👋
Interesting engine concept, but problematic in execution (just ask NSU or Mazda in the automotive world, or Suzuki, Hercules or Norton in the motorcycle world). That said, if hydrogen fuel ever catches on, the rotary engine could yet see it's day...
@@abhimaanmayadam5713 - Rotary engines have trouble with complete combustion of hydrocarbons (due to the shape of the combustion chamber - causing a slow burn). Hydrogen burns faster than gasoline (or any other hydrocarbon fuel), partially solving the incomplete combustion problem of rotary engines. Butanol (C4H9OH) does not solve the incomplete combustion problem in rotary engines (since it is a hydrocarbon).
Great video! Some of the reasons the RE5 didn't sell well was its high price and poor gas mileage around 31mpg. Norton also made a wankel called the Commander from 1987 to 1992. Some were used by the London police. These were twin rotor and had 85 hp.
I'm 69 years old and have only seen two RE-5's in my whole life. One was brand new at a Suzuki dealership in 1975, and in the early 90's I saw a 1976 in mint condition at Mid-Ohio racetrack. The owner had rode it to the event. Keep after it, they are so rare that it is worth restoring. Best of luck Craig!
we had a local shop that raced RE5s. They did well too, the only modification was upgraded shocks and fork springs, and replacing that complicated lump of a carburetor with a Mikuni 40mm motorcycle carb!
I owned two fully restored models the 'M' and the 'A' at the same time not too long ago, very reliable machines and fun to ride. Too many misconceptions regarding these bikes.
A very dear friend of mine who was a motorcycle mechanic all his life died of cancer in November of 2023. He used to tell stories that these rotary bikes would backfire out the exhaust when out of time, loud enough to wake the dead. He love to ride his and always had a large smile on his face when he talked about his rotary machines!
I sold my Mazda Rx2 40 yrs ago to a guy I knew he had an RE5. I remember going up motorway off ramps at night in the Rx2 and backing off from full throttle, flames from the exhausts unburnt fuel would light the road up and creating massive backfires...oh what fun for fellow motorists
While mechanically simpler than a standard gas type engine. The tolerances and precision required to keep these engines running will always be an issue.
They backfire out the exhaust no matter what.... they don't need to be "out of time". Raw fuel belches out of the engine and into the exhaust, just waiting to be ignited later. It's just the way these engines operate. No valves in the combustion chamber, just a port that gets uncovered as the "dorito" slides by it.
Rode a water buffalo for years. I did ride one of the rotary Suzuki on a test ride once. The thing was smooth as silk all through the rev range. The GT750 pulled harder, but the rotary was just plain smooth. I didn't ride the rotary hard, but the GT750 when pushed revealed the hinge in the middle of the chassis. Lots of memories from this episode. Thanks for inviting us along.
@@adotintheshark4848 As I said, I test rode the rotary, but I had already bought the Buffalo. There wasn't enough difference for me to trade. I put over 50k miles on the GT750. Sold it to a friend at work. Bought a GS850, eventually hung a sidecar on it, because a friend wouldn't let me ride his BMW with a Steb sidecar. When I got married, traded the rig and a Ford in on a Fiat 124 Spyder so I could talk to my wife while we were riding.
@@arthurjennings5202 the RE5's biggest issue was that complicated Mikuni-Solex carburetor. It's very difficult to get it set right enough where the machine won't hesitate or surge. Another thing with the RE5 was, it is nearly impossible to kick start, though it has a lever. I couldn't do it and my bigger and stronger friends couldn't either!
@@arthurjennings5202 I owned three of those, two '72's and a '74. I liked them better than my RE5 too. I rode the '74 practically till the wheels fell off.
Wow, i used to be an re5 Owner a while back, fun video, i was not expecting the statement at the end that most re5 owners are also jawa owners, because i happen to also own a jawa as well. We just love old school niche motorcycles. Great Video Craig!
I loved my Norton rotary, biggest problem was the seals letting go and losing compression, Norton rebuilt it at their factory in Shenstone. Great to see another rotary still breathing.
I'd a UK police forces Norton Wankel in the 90s VAs scary fast highly revving engine mine still full police specs parts radio etc had 2 days and owner of a Ducati Monster 900cc perfect I'd tried buying numerous occasions when he offered bike and 10000 pounds he still owns not for sale as has 1 from each decades from 1900s to 90s rotary a and brand new commando
Worked with motorcycle mechanics for 25 years as a service adviser. Man, you guys rock! That dude crushed that carburetor like I never saw before! Nice collab! You should do more! Loved it! 🤟✌️👌👍♥️🇨🇦
I've been working on my 1982 Honda CB900C and all your videos have been a major help! It's super informative watching you work on so many different problems and diagnose them all.
I can't tell you how enjoyable it is to watch your videos. The older I get the less I want to tackle any mechanical projects. It's nice to watch someone else do it because my projects never really finish 100% and don't look as good as yours. Thank you
"Maybe we should cover that wire beings we have a fuel leak." "Oh yeah, that would be bad." Craig immediately lights the propane torch. That was great. lol
Wonderful to see the carb being disassembled! I owned an RE5 in Hamilton NZ in the 80's but never touched the carb as they are so complicated to tune. A lot of RE5's were later fitted with NSU carbs, but they never ran as well. The guy who owned my bike after me let the injector tank run dry and blew the rotor seals. The bike is now in Southwards Museum, but I don't think they ever got it running again. BTW, my bike was rebuilt after being dropped off a cliff by the previous owner and was painted yellow and black, which was the colour of the pre-production prototypes even though it was a production bike. The biggest problem I had with it was replacing the side covers and RE5 badges after scumbags frequently prized them off for souvenirs. In the end I didn't replace them until I sold the bike.
Really cool bike and I do remember that no one would buy them off the showroom floor. My mom bought me a Suzuki TS185 when I was in high school in 74 and our Suzuki dealership actually had one for show just to see if anyone would be interested in buying when they received them for stock.
I imported a RE5 from California to the UK in the 90s, didn't need any work doing to it and totally rust free, but it would only run normal on half choke. If you purchase one of these bikes, compression check with the special tester before you hand over good money.
Great to find this video. I have 3 of these. 2 were running 20 years ago before being stored. 1 is a frame and engine. I'm encouraged to start wrenching on them.. lol
I remember this bike being released. Even then it was clear that Suzuki had taken the simplest internal combustion engine with so few moving parts and created a ludicrously complex leviathan. Even the dash cover stuck down on the press bike. Such a shame.
Normally when I come across videos like this I skip ahead just to see the final result but this is just really fun the banter and the descriptions of what's happening and everything you guys are talking about is hilarious and I'm here for the entire thing
I followed a friend on his RE5 and I've never heard such a strange exhaust note! It's like a cross between a 2 stroke/4 stroke/ turbine noise! Great bikes, but terrible fuel consumption and needs a good understanding of all of the components and ancillaries to keep them running sweet and, yes, those early 'globe' flasher lenses are as rare as rocking horse sh*t.
Hi, Craig don't know if you'll see this but just wanted to say thank you for all the knowledge you provide for us and your passion for motorcycles. I first saw you over on the Bikes and Beards channel some years ago and really enjoyed videos with you in them but Shaun makes some fantastic stuff on his own lets not get this wrong. When I heard you'd created a channel I instantly headed over and have been watching ever since. I've had some troubles over the last several years and I have always wanted to get a motorcycle but your content, Shaun's and Wheels Through Time gave that push to go and sit the CBT (Compulsory Basic Training. A legal requirement before you can ride and motorcycle up to a 125cc, you can take various licenses depending on your age that allows you to ride various cc. A license allows a full unrestricted cc.) I took it a few days ago and passed which I'm over the moon about. I'm looking forward to getting my first motorcycle soon and hopefully on a long journey of motorcycle passion. With the knowledge that you lot have provided me I hope I can provide the best care that any motorcycle deserves. I hugely appreciate you and Dan and I look forward to upcoming content. Hope life is treating you well and all the best, cheers.
my first video I've watched, and what struck me was how little mechanics this guy knows, nor electrics, nor anything really. I guess he just guests actual people with knowledge and skills and people don't notice what actually happened....
I still have the Feb 95 issue of CYCLE WORLD where they tested it up against the BMW R90/6 and the Kawasaki Z1B. They liked the smootheness of the engine... but not much else. Summing up that quote 'Maybe Suzuki put too much effort into the engine and neglected the little necesssities. Less concentration on styling foo-foos and more on the things that make amotorcycle right would have helped the RE's point standing a great deal. Somehow, the Rotary just misses the target. Yet many will buy it for newness alone - because it's unique and different.' Their final scores for the bikes were: BMW 35...Kawasaki 29... Suzuki 20.
I taught my son how to. If he wanted to go riding and the bike had set for the winter. He could fix it himself. Later on he made a little money cleaning a few . Something a lot of people have no idea how to.
I'm the opposite. I used to rebuild hundreds of carbs in the 80s and now I hate them. Even more so now since our gas has ethanol in it that destroys them.
My college professor, Tom March, department head of the Thompson School of Applied Sciences at the University of New Hampshire, had one of those upstairs in his storage room. He took us up to see it when we were learning about rotary engines. He had filled the engine full of oil so that it wouldn't corrode. The guy was amazing. He taught engine theory and overhaul, construction technology, welding, and residential wiring, all with a calm, friendly, respectful demeanor. And he was proficient and experienced in all the subjects equally. I didn't realize at the time what an incredible person he was. I'm grateful to have been his student.
I wasn´t expecting to see Jawa babetta, because seeing them outside Slovakia or Czech Republic is rare and owning one myself (Babetta 225) it´s really nice to see it here. Would be fun seeing more of Babettas and/or Jawas on your channel if possible.
Just fun fact about this “Jawa”. Technically it isn’t Jawa. Manufacturer was Motokov and name this bike in our country (back then Czechoslovakia) was Babetta (the name is from movie Babette goes to war). But for export to western countries for better selling chances they rented name Jawa just for this product. And I realy like how you pronounce JAWA (Janeček Wanderer).
OM gosh I can’t believe that in my 56 years I have never heard of the rotary Suzuki!!! This is amazing. I have owned a 1985 RX7 and the engine is amazing. Can’t wait to watch. More comments at the end. Thanks for the content Craig!!!
A buddies dad bought one of those rotary bikes new, I think it spent the first 6 months at the dealer, and the next 6 months for sale. He had bought that and sold me his '75 GT750, which I rode till around 40k. I sold it back to him after I bought a 1980 GS1000, which was a good bike. After that, my experience with Suzuki was all bad. A long list if issues with a Suzuki Quadsport 230 atv which broke its starter drive inside the case four times, broken suspension parts, electrical issues, and failed final drive, an '88 Quadrunner 300 with a page long list if issues that made it nearly useless, and three S1400's all with an array of issues ranging from leaky forks, carb issues, transmission issues, and fuel pump issues. pretty much turned me off the brand completely. My last straw was having to clean the carbs out on my last S1400 and dealing with how inaccessible everything was on that bike. They seem to have engineering issues that span many models, they appear to do things just to be different not to be better or more reliable. None of Suzuki bikes I ever had were the picture of reliability especially since they often weren't my only bike often being along side various Honda, Kawasaki, and Yamaha models.
I love the videos and am so glad you’re making more and getting more popular. With that said, please do something about the quiet dialog, when I turn it up enough to hear what you guys are saying the music is ridiculously loud for 3 seconds and then back to quiet again. That and all the fake video cuts make it hard to watch. Thanks and keep up the good work!
My friend and I went to bike shop 1977, he bought the RE, I bought the GT 750. We rode together allover midwest USA. The RE is a slow over weight pig. After some mods, I raced allover the midwest states for several years. Never lost a race. 9 sec 1/4 mile at over 130mph was very fast pre 1980.... Completely streetable ...
Motorcycle shop near had one of these in the shop. It had 1 mile on it. Back in the day the dealership had to cannibalize some parts off of it to repair customers bikes.
Awesome video Craig, im glad you gave an update on the gt550. Max is awesome and i hope he gives more updates on the progress. I have a Gt550 parts bike i would give him if he ever came down to Oklahoma.
These were like the TX750 Yamaha the only time you ever saw one it was at the backdoor of a bike workshop and used as a doorstop or out back and used as a urinal
Actually test drove one of these back in 77. I remember it being much quieter than these. Also, what impressed me the most was that the mirrors had absolutely no vibration distortion! After owning a 69 BSA A65 that was unbelievable! I remember the dealer telling me that there were no breakdowns or problems with these! I thought he was full of it!
I did my time working at Suzuki motorcycle agent I replace several rebuilt rotor motors There was several modification to overcome engine problems The ignition the carbs 36 jets the plastic instruments gauges A lot of the parts from the 750 waterbus like instruments taillight etc The apex seals in the housing wear and the SCEM coating on the inside the aluminum housing wears out the oil that is injected in to the rotor housing is very important I ridden a RE5 up to 200kph on a race track.
I can picture a room full of designers, engineers and fabricators standing at a dry erase board talking about making this bike. The only person missing was the one guy that would ask why.
Why? Because some will and have argued that the rotary engine is a superior design to the standard cylinder/piston design. Mazda has been very successful with theirs.
@@spartanx169x I get that Mazda had some success with the rotary. However, I don't recall seeing a new rotary powered car since the 90's. I owned an RX-7 for about 5 years and I've rebuilt a rotary engine myself so I know a little about it.
It was the seventies. Computers weren't really a thing yet - the only way people had to figure out if a technology had what it took to make it in the market was to throw it at the wall and see if it stuck. "Why?" would be answered with "because it might work!" and nobody would see a problem with the reasoning. I figure at SOME point someone must have looked at the overcomplicated mess this project was becoming and realised it'd never actually sell in significant numbers, but by then it must have had too much inertia to stop.
Nice detailed video Craig! I've worked on just about everything with 2 wheels.. *except one of THESE!* I've always been curious to see the inner workings of the Suzuki Rotary RE-5, so this is a real treat for me! It almost looks like they used 1/2 of a Mazda RX-2 carb on those, since the RX-2 had a 4 bbl. from the factory. I'm thinking you probably have a stuck thermostat rather than coolant getting into the rotor housing, or it would probably be throwing a bunch of white smoke. Anyway, good to see it actually running again. Max is pretty knowledgeable on these. Good guy to have around if you're going to get into it further.😉👍👍
what a treat! Your bike show is amazing. Cant wait for your show to get posted, reminds me when I was a kid waiting for the brady bunch show to come up. lol
I really enjoyed this episode, I think Max might be my new favourite person on UA-cam, you definitely need more episodes guest starring Max in the future 👌🏽
This is such a cool bike and two of them! Thank you for another cool video. It's going to be a great weekend. Those coffee cups are super cool also. Craig and Dan you rock!! ❤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Vessel JIS impact screwdrivers are the best to work on Japanese made engines. Just got my first set last year and I've always thought a good Snap-On Philips was the way to go. Not even close!!. I've been a mechanic for 40 years and didn't know what I was missing. My son immediately ordered 2 sets. We're fixing old trikes ,bikes and quads. Amazing what screws you can get out from corroded parts without destroying the heads! Got them from Amazon.
My dad had one of these. I started taking it out around town when I was 14 or 15 years old. I loved that bike. It was a burnt orange color with black stripes
Awesome video! Can anything possibly be more complicated than a Suzuki RE-5 engine? The bike is now worth about 20 times more by running. Some things are just worth the extra effort to spend a day working and learning even if everything doesn't work completely out. Many thanks to your friend for his help and insights. I will remember his brake fluid trick.
I bought one new in 1976. Had to change spark plugs every 200 miles! They were titanium coated could not be cleaned. About $8 each 1976. I about gave it away 2 years later
turned 16 in 1976 bought a new gt550 suzuki loved it. fast forward 1989 racing my rm250 lots of bikes later now 64 years old loving my 2006 c90 suzuki dont blink it goes by fast!!
Craig, there is a 1965 honda 305 dream in the basement of an small old house on Lower Rd in Westtown NY, across the street is an old barn that was converted into a house. I rode it all over orange county in the 70s. Go get it and get it running. If you need the registration I still have it.
A local bike dealer here in Portsmouth in the UK caught fire in the late 70's and the staff were running around trying to get all of the bikes out of the showroom. One of the lads started pushing out an RE5 and the shop owner grabbed the bike and shouted "No, no. These can burn. Its the only way we'll ever get any money for the bloody thing!" and wheeled it back in.
I bought my Suzuki GT380B from a dealer in Portsmouth in 1978. They had a row of unsold, new RE5 bikes. I wish I’d bought the year older GT550A they also had but no way I could afford the insurance. I still own that 380! And I’ve added a Kettle 15 years ago.
@@GT380man i love that era of suzuki, i mean theres nothing wrong with gixxers etc but that era was so off the wall
@@GT380man Probably Rafferty and Newman in Southsea lol
@@lardycake70 You know, I’m sure it was Rafferty Newman. Sounds incredibly familiar.
Plate is “OOW xxxS” which is somewhere along the south coast I think?
@@GT380mannice, my first bike was a GT380, then after a year I sold it and got the GT750. That 750 was the fastest bike I ever owned 0-100, wish I still had it
I got my 1988 k100 running. $500 on marketplace, $500 in parts and it fired right up! Never would have attempted it if i hadnt watched every video on this channel
or read the factory service manual?
Assuming you're referring to a bmw k100, they're great bikes! I also bought one for $500 years ago and took it on a 500 mile road trip after getting it running. Good times!
Suzuki at the time wouldn't allow disassembly of the engine and had safety wired all bolts ending in a lead safety seal. All engine work had to be done at the factory. We were not allowed to do anything at the dealership. One of my mechanics owned a Re5 and we had to ship it 4 times to suzuki for engine repairs.
Amazing engineering for the time. Great video, brings back memories.
But why? Were they concerned about patent infringing? Or didn't trust the dealerships to work on them?
@@spartanx169xwas just going to ask the same thing
Thats crazy!
@@spartanx169x Well, we're talking early to mid 70's, so early days for rotaries. Mazda was about the only other company with any experience with them, so I imagine Suzuki was leery of letting dealership techs work on them. This isn't that unusual: GM had a similar policy regarding LT5 equipped C4 Corvettes, requiring the engines be shipped to Mercury Marine, who helped design and build them. The bigger question is why didn't they partner with Mazda on this thing to help share the load, these engines were maintenance heavy and I imagine this thing burned through apex seals at an insane rate. I assume Mazda wasn't having their dealers ship their rotaries back to Japan when they needed repairing, maybe to specific service centers in the US. Otherwise, getting into rotary powered bikes in the 1970s looks certifiably insane if you wanted to do it all on your own, especially if you're handling repairs centrally. I imagine the theoretical power output of a 500cc rotary dazzled everyone at Suzuki!!!
Exactly our dealership had to send the engine part directly to Japan and they sent us a new engine part to be bolted on to the customer's bike it had a seal on it
If Max doesnt have a YT channel, he should.
I concur
indeed, love his clean work and explanations. we probably going to see him more often on this channel 🙂
Yes agreed , max is very goid on cam.
Yup, he's a natural!
He has a go pro strapped to his chest
Everyone stop what you are doing. Craig just uploaded
Of course! I'm going to be late for work now.
My thoughts exactly lol!👍👍
AND DAN!!!!!
Exactly
Thanks.!!.. work can wait 😀!!!
I met him, after filming with you he came to my shop and bought my 78 gs750. Really nice guy!!
Max was on fire.
Enthusiasm and knowing what you’re doing is always good
This has got to be the most interesting motorcycle rescue video ever. Full respect to Max for getting his up and running.
I am a Rotorhead, and it has been my dream to see this bike on your channel. Popping popcorn now!
I sold a brand new one and then ended up owning it it was like a great big two-stroke but it was smoother.. the rotor / engine and transmission could be split from each other and of course the carburetor was really something different
Would a 500cc rotary engine produce more power than a 500cc piston engine?
Short answer yes…long answer no, it all depends on which 500cc piston engine you’re comparing it to , but generally rotary engines are comparable in power to a larger displacement piston engine, but the way a rotary engine fires means the actual displacement is arguably different than the indicated 500cc , to be fair it’s not fair to compare by displacement alone
they just waste too much oil
@@smoll.miniatures I rode one for 3 years and I can say that bike in particular was just a cruiser although it wound up really interesting it would not beat the Titan
You mean so much to me craig, starting my first project bike this sunday because of you. To everyone reading this: enjoy the Video and greetings from germany👋
Good luck, and don't forget the magic ingredient: patience! Bike mechanics is great fun.
Awesome, he’s got me wanting an old bike to. I used to like the old Honda cb’s. Wonder if they’re still cheap?
@@jcnpresser I had an eye on those aswell, now i have settled on a suzuki gsx 600 f
Fiel gluck und alles gute! Aus Bulgarien!
Rotary engines have a fun way of bankrupting whichever company develops them
Interesting engine concept, but problematic in execution (just ask NSU or Mazda in the automotive world, or Suzuki, Hercules or Norton in the motorcycle world). That said, if hydrogen fuel ever catches on, the rotary engine could yet see it's day...
@@danielklopp7007 if we figure out the mass production of butanol, then maybe.
Thanks, I was unaware that Mazda went bankrupt 😂
@@abhimaanmayadam5713 - Rotary engines have trouble with complete combustion of hydrocarbons (due to the shape of the combustion chamber - causing a slow burn). Hydrogen burns faster than gasoline (or any other hydrocarbon fuel), partially solving the incomplete combustion problem of rotary engines. Butanol (C4H9OH) does not solve the incomplete combustion problem in rotary engines (since it is a hydrocarbon).
Wanker engineering Wankel rice burners lol
Great video! Some of the reasons the RE5 didn't sell well was its high price and poor gas mileage around 31mpg.
Norton also made a wankel called the
Commander from 1987 to 1992. Some
were used by the London police. These
were twin rotor and had 85 hp.
I'm 69 years old and have only seen two RE-5's in my whole life. One was brand new at a Suzuki dealership in 1975, and in the early 90's I saw a 1976 in mint condition at Mid-Ohio racetrack. The owner had rode it to the event. Keep after it, they are so rare that it is worth restoring. Best of luck Craig!
we had a local shop that raced RE5s. They did well too, the only modification was upgraded shocks and fork springs, and replacing that complicated lump of a carburetor with a Mikuni 40mm motorcycle carb!
I owned two fully restored models the 'M' and the 'A' at the same time not too long ago, very reliable machines and fun to ride. Too many misconceptions regarding these bikes.
I am going to look and see if I can find one for myself. They are out there, just kind of pricey because of the rarity.
@@nitrousninja882 Look at my RE5 M restoration. Better if you find one that runs.
A very dear friend of mine who was a motorcycle mechanic all his life died of cancer in November of 2023. He used to tell stories that these rotary bikes would backfire out the exhaust when out of time, loud enough to wake the dead. He love to ride his and always had a large smile on his face when he talked about his rotary machines!
My condolences
I sold my Mazda Rx2 40 yrs ago to a guy I knew he had an RE5. I remember going up motorway off ramps at night in the Rx2 and backing off from full throttle, flames from the exhausts unburnt fuel would light the road up and creating massive backfires...oh what fun for fellow motorists
@@morris2450 Yep back in the day I had two RX3s, still one of my favorite cars.
While mechanically simpler than a standard gas type engine. The tolerances and precision required to keep these engines running will always be an issue.
They backfire out the exhaust no matter what.... they don't need to be "out of time".
Raw fuel belches out of the engine and into the exhaust, just waiting to be ignited later. It's just the way these engines operate. No valves in the combustion chamber, just a port that gets uncovered as the "dorito" slides by it.
Rode a water buffalo for years. I did ride one of the rotary Suzuki on a test ride once. The thing was smooth as silk all through the rev range. The GT750 pulled harder, but the rotary was just plain smooth. I didn't ride the rotary hard, but the GT750 when pushed revealed the hinge in the middle of the chassis. Lots of memories from this episode. Thanks for inviting us along.
My rotary was smoother the higher you revved it. They weren't powerful for their size yet they handled well and you could ride them all day long.
@@adotintheshark4848 As I said, I test rode the rotary, but I had already bought the Buffalo. There wasn't enough difference for me to trade. I put over 50k miles on the GT750. Sold it to a friend at work. Bought a GS850, eventually hung a sidecar on it, because a friend wouldn't let me ride his BMW with a Steb sidecar. When I got married, traded the rig and a Ford in on a Fiat 124 Spyder so I could talk to my wife while we were riding.
@@arthurjennings5202 the RE5's biggest issue was that complicated Mikuni-Solex carburetor. It's very difficult to get it set right enough where the machine won't hesitate or surge. Another thing with the RE5 was, it is nearly impossible to kick start, though it has a lever. I couldn't do it and my bigger and stronger friends couldn't either!
@@adotintheshark4848 As I said, I tried it, but didn't buy it. I liked the GT750 Water Buffalo I owned.
@@arthurjennings5202 I owned three of those, two '72's and a '74. I liked them better than my RE5 too. I rode the '74 practically till the wheels fell off.
Wow, i used to be an re5 Owner a while back, fun video, i was not expecting the statement at the end that most re5 owners are also jawa owners, because i happen to also own a jawa as well. We just love old school niche motorcycles. Great Video Craig!
I loved my Norton rotary, biggest problem was the seals letting go and losing compression, Norton rebuilt it at their factory in Shenstone. Great to see another rotary still breathing.
My youngest son owned and totalled 2 RX7's he ran 2 stroke oil (premix) for the Seals, I presume ..... crazy little powerhouses 💙
I'd a UK police forces Norton Wankel in the 90s VAs scary fast highly revving engine mine still full police specs parts radio etc had 2 days and owner of a Ducati Monster 900cc perfect I'd tried buying numerous occasions when he offered bike and 10000 pounds he still owns not for sale as has 1 from each decades from 1900s to 90s rotary a and brand new commando
Worked with motorcycle mechanics for 25 years as a service adviser. Man, you guys rock! That dude crushed that carburetor like I never saw before! Nice collab! You should do more! Loved it! 🤟✌️👌👍♥️🇨🇦
Thank you Max for your expertise. Thank you Craig, for everything else.
Been here 2 weeks and love the content. As an ex Mazda car mechanic, seeing bikes is a real treat!
Seriously. This episode should win some kind of award. Max is in his element with his head mounted cam. And Craig's self depracating humor is genius.
I've been working on my 1982 Honda CB900C and all your videos have been a major help! It's super informative watching you work on so many different problems and diagnose them all.
I've been bingning all your videos this week so glad for another!
I can't tell you how enjoyable it is to watch your videos. The older I get the less I want to tackle any mechanical projects. It's nice to watch someone else do it because my projects never really finish 100% and don't look as good as yours. Thank you
Amen...
More videos with max! What a terrific trio you've got going on here!
I had a Suzuki GT380 when I was stationed on Guam in ‘74. It was a great bike and never let me down.
2 strokes forever!
"Maybe we should cover that wire beings we have a fuel leak."
"Oh yeah, that would be bad."
Craig immediately lights the propane torch.
That was great. lol
Cracked me up!
Wonderful to see the carb being disassembled! I owned an RE5 in Hamilton NZ in the 80's but never touched the carb as they are so complicated to tune. A lot of RE5's were later fitted with NSU carbs, but they never ran as well. The guy who owned my bike after me let the injector tank run dry and blew the rotor seals. The bike is now in Southwards Museum, but I don't think they ever got it running again. BTW, my bike was rebuilt after being dropped off a cliff by the previous owner and was painted yellow and black, which was the colour of the pre-production prototypes even though it was a production bike. The biggest problem I had with it was replacing the side covers and RE5 badges after scumbags frequently prized them off for souvenirs. In the end I didn't replace them until I sold the bike.
Really cool bike and I do remember that no one would buy them off the showroom floor. My mom bought me a Suzuki TS185 when I was in high school in 74 and our Suzuki dealership actually had one for show just to see if anyone would be interested in buying when they received them for stock.
Cool mom! Lol I lived in the Bay Area in the 70's and never saw these!
I never knew Suzuki made a rotary engined bike. WoW.
Love the shot Dan where Max and Craig are wiggling the loom and the rear light is flashing on and off! @34:10
I imported a RE5 from California to the UK in the 90s, didn't need any work doing to it and totally rust free, but it would only run normal on half choke. If you purchase one of these bikes, compression check with the special tester before you hand over good money.
When I lived in California, I had had to rejet the carbs on my trucks for the same type of issue. I also had to rejet when I moved out.
When I lived in California, I had had to rejet the carbs on my trucks for the same type of issue. I also had to rejet when I moved out.
Great to find this video. I have 3 of these. 2 were running 20 years ago before being stored. 1 is a frame and engine. I'm encouraged to start wrenching on them.. lol
I remember this bike being released. Even then it was clear that Suzuki had taken the simplest internal combustion engine with so few moving parts and created a ludicrously complex leviathan. Even the dash cover stuck down on the press bike. Such a shame.
The Wankel is one of those ideas that looks good on paper, but is actually deeply flawed and difficult to implement.
Normally when I come across videos like this I skip ahead just to see the final result but this is just really fun the banter and the descriptions of what's happening and everything you guys are talking about is hilarious and I'm here for the entire thing
I followed a friend on his RE5 and I've never heard such a strange exhaust note! It's like a cross between a 2 stroke/4 stroke/ turbine noise! Great bikes, but terrible fuel consumption and needs a good understanding of all of the components and ancillaries to keep them running sweet and, yes, those early 'globe' flasher lenses are as rare as rocking horse sh*t.
Have you ever heard an all out race rotary car engine at the drags? Funniest sounding thing ever....
The rotary is like a 2 cycle. Thats one of the reasons why the rotary engines stopped production because of emissions.
Everyone needs a Craig and every Craig needs a Max!
Love the content, my first car was a rotary and I’ve owned every generation Rx7, turbo, twin turbo and NA. ❤those rotarys
Hi, Craig don't know if you'll see this but just wanted to say thank you for all the knowledge you provide for us and your passion for motorcycles. I first saw you over on the Bikes and Beards channel some years ago and really enjoyed videos with you in them but Shaun makes some fantastic stuff on his own lets not get this wrong. When I heard you'd created a channel I instantly headed over and have been watching ever since. I've had some troubles over the last several years and I have always wanted to get a motorcycle but your content, Shaun's and Wheels Through Time gave that push to go and sit the CBT (Compulsory Basic Training. A legal requirement before you can ride and motorcycle up to a 125cc, you can take various licenses depending on your age that allows you to ride various cc. A license allows a full unrestricted cc.) I took it a few days ago and passed which I'm over the moon about. I'm looking forward to getting my first motorcycle soon and hopefully on a long journey of motorcycle passion. With the knowledge that you lot have provided me I hope I can provide the best care that any motorcycle deserves. I hugely appreciate you and Dan and I look forward to upcoming content. Hope life is treating you well and all the best, cheers.
good job guy, perfect time to be riding! good luck on the bike hunt, allways do your own visual inspection on a bike before ya part with ya wedge
my first video I've watched, and what struck me was how little mechanics this guy knows, nor electrics, nor anything really. I guess he just guests actual people with knowledge and skills and people don't notice what actually happened....
Pořádný kus techniky. A Jawa na konci 👍☝️ pozdravy z Czech Republic 👍
Max, unique bike, those mugs and all of the fan mail....what a great episode, and shows how much people appreciate Craig!
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Keep these videos coming. WoW. I miss seeing you in Bikes and Beards, but your channel is the best. Take Care and Ride Safe.
I've only seen these in magazines. Pretty rare find!
I still have the Feb 95 issue of CYCLE WORLD where they tested it up against the BMW R90/6 and the Kawasaki Z1B. They liked the smootheness of the engine... but not much else. Summing up that quote 'Maybe Suzuki put too much effort into the engine and neglected the little necesssities. Less concentration on styling foo-foos and more on the things that make amotorcycle right would have helped the RE's point standing a great deal. Somehow, the Rotary just misses the target. Yet many will buy it for newness alone - because it's unique and different.' Their final scores for the bikes were: BMW 35...Kawasaki 29... Suzuki 20.
I used to hate cleaning/rebuilding carbs. After going through about 300 carbs, it’s now my favorite part of bringing a bike back.
I taught my son how to. If he wanted to go riding and the bike had set for the winter. He could fix it himself. Later on he made a little money cleaning a few . Something a lot of people have no idea how to.
I'm the opposite. I used to rebuild hundreds of carbs in the 80s and now I hate them. Even more so now since our gas has ethanol in it that destroys them.
@@unsafe_at_any_speed also true
I love doing carbs after I bought myself an ultrasonic cleaner tank
My college professor, Tom March, department head of the Thompson School of Applied Sciences at the University of New Hampshire, had one of those upstairs in his storage room. He took us up to see it when we were learning about rotary engines. He had filled the engine full of oil so that it wouldn't corrode. The guy was amazing. He taught engine theory and overhaul, construction technology, welding, and residential wiring, all with a calm, friendly, respectful demeanor. And he was proficient and experienced in all the subjects equally. I didn't realize at the time what an incredible person he was. I'm grateful to have been his student.
I wasn´t expecting to see Jawa babetta, because seeing them outside Slovakia or Czech Republic is rare and owning one myself (Babetta 225) it´s really nice to see it here. Would be fun seeing more of Babettas and/or Jawas on your channel if possible.
Just fun fact about this “Jawa”. Technically it isn’t Jawa. Manufacturer was Motokov and name this bike in our country (back then Czechoslovakia) was Babetta (the name is from movie Babette goes to war). But for export to western countries for better selling chances they rented name Jawa just for this product. And I realy like how you pronounce JAWA (Janeček Wanderer).
Hey mad props to Max there! He's been a good co-host and mechanic if you ask me. Ask me!
Craig, I have an 85 Deloreon that has some flux capacitor issues. I think it would make a great episode.
Keep them coming Craig! You absolute legend 😎 wicked burnout by the way I didn't expect that!!
OM gosh I can’t believe that in my 56 years I have never heard of the rotary Suzuki!!! This is amazing. I have owned a 1985 RX7 and the engine is amazing. Can’t wait to watch. More comments at the end. Thanks for the content Craig!!!
Nice to meet you MAX!! Kinda jealous because I want to be Craig’s best friend,,,😢
Look at my Suzuki RE5 M restoration.
A buddies dad bought one of those rotary bikes new, I think it spent the first 6 months at the dealer, and the next 6 months for sale. He had bought that and sold me his '75 GT750, which I rode till around 40k. I sold it back to him after I bought a 1980 GS1000, which was a good bike. After that, my experience with Suzuki was all bad. A long list if issues with a Suzuki Quadsport 230 atv which broke its starter drive inside the case four times, broken suspension parts, electrical issues, and failed final drive, an '88 Quadrunner 300 with a page long list if issues that made it nearly useless, and three S1400's all with an array of issues ranging from leaky forks, carb issues, transmission issues, and fuel pump issues. pretty much turned me off the brand completely. My last straw was having to clean the carbs out on my last S1400 and dealing with how inaccessible everything was on that bike.
They seem to have engineering issues that span many models, they appear to do things just to be different not to be better or more reliable. None of Suzuki bikes I ever had were the picture of reliability especially since they often weren't my only bike often being along side various Honda, Kawasaki, and Yamaha models.
All I need in my life is Craig and low buck garage.
Imagine a collab 😂
@@hunterdeyo8258 Hopefully without the loud crappy muzac and stupid tics put in the videos.
I love the videos and am so glad you’re making more and getting more popular. With that said, please do something about the quiet dialog, when I turn it up enough to hear what you guys are saying the music is ridiculously loud for 3 seconds and then back to quiet again. That and all the fake video cuts make it hard to watch. Thanks and keep up the good work!
Man I love those verses! I had to show my wife, she makes pottery too. Thank you for sharing!
Yeah!!!! ❤❤❤
Nothing beats finding yourself a new friend thats on your level. I know nothing about bikes but loved this vid
Always a fun ride with Craig!!!
One of those few channels where I hit like b4 watching vid 👊.
I hit the like button BEFORE the vids are posted🤣
And Dan too!!!
My friend and I went to bike shop 1977, he bought the RE, I bought the GT 750. We rode together allover midwest USA. The RE is a slow over weight pig. After some mods, I raced allover the midwest states for several years. Never lost a race. 9 sec 1/4 mile at over 130mph was very fast pre 1980.... Completely streetable ...
Man, that carburetor by its own looks like a nightmare just to fix and/or tune.
Craig by himself is great, Dan and Max are excellent additions! Such great content you guys keep it up I really look forward to these videos!
Motorcycle shop near had one of these in the shop. It had 1 mile on it. Back in the day the dealership had to cannibalize some parts off of it to repair customers bikes.
Awesome video Craig, im glad you gave an update on the gt550. Max is awesome and i hope he gives more updates on the progress. I have a Gt550 parts bike i would give him if he ever came down to Oklahoma.
Missed joke opportunity - that motorcycle coffe mug is a picture of a "Cafe" racer
I'll add that on the Etsy listing 😜
These were like the TX750 Yamaha the only time you ever saw one it was at the backdoor of a bike workshop and used as a doorstop or out back and used as a urinal
That motorcycle on the mug looks like a Jawa 250. I had a Jawa in the 60's.
Actually test drove one of these back in 77. I remember it being much quieter than these. Also, what impressed me the most was that the mirrors had absolutely no vibration distortion! After owning a 69 BSA A65 that was unbelievable! I remember the dealer telling me that there were no breakdowns or problems with these! I thought he was full of it!
Love this channel!
I did my time working at Suzuki motorcycle agent I replace several rebuilt rotor motors
There was several modification to overcome engine problems
The ignition the carbs 36 jets the plastic instruments gauges
A lot of the parts from the 750 waterbus like instruments taillight etc
The apex seals in the housing wear and the SCEM coating on the inside the aluminum housing wears out the oil that is injected in to the rotor housing is very important
I ridden a RE5 up to 200kph on a race track.
124.27 mph damn, I've seen 120 on a '73 K100 RS heading North of Tucson
My boss is getting weird that I take a 30 to 40 min toilet break each Friday.
Cute, get to work.
I say it helps build my troubleshooting methodology, so it's a win win. Pushing for the whole team to do a weekly lunch and learn.
You meant worried
Love to see you work on bikes! I have been working on my Dyna a lot latelly. If I only I had you around to pick your brains.
I can picture a room full of designers, engineers and fabricators standing at a dry erase board talking about making this bike. The only person missing was the one guy that would ask why.
Why? Because some will and have argued that the rotary engine is a superior design to the standard cylinder/piston design. Mazda has been very successful with theirs.
@@spartanx169x I get that Mazda had some success with the rotary. However, I don't recall seeing a new rotary powered car since the 90's. I owned an RX-7 for about 5 years and I've rebuilt a rotary engine myself so I know a little about it.
@rustycleaver8231 rx8 was the last, 2013, there is a new rotary range extender
It was the seventies. Computers weren't really a thing yet - the only way people had to figure out if a technology had what it took to make it in the market was to throw it at the wall and see if it stuck. "Why?" would be answered with "because it might work!" and nobody would see a problem with the reasoning. I figure at SOME point someone must have looked at the overcomplicated mess this project was becoming and realised it'd never actually sell in significant numbers, but by then it must have had too much inertia to stop.
@@fallingwaterAlmost poetic your answer. Very true, it's why so many weird and whacky things came out during this time
This was so good, pure bikeporn. You guys made my friday evening. Greetings from the Netherlands!
Running is one thing running well is another.
Nice detailed video Craig! I've worked on just about everything with 2 wheels.. *except one of THESE!* I've always been curious to see the inner workings of the Suzuki Rotary RE-5, so this is a real treat for me! It almost looks like they used 1/2 of a Mazda RX-2 carb on those, since the RX-2 had a 4 bbl. from the factory. I'm thinking you probably have a stuck thermostat rather than coolant getting into the rotor housing, or it would probably be throwing a bunch of white smoke. Anyway, good to see it actually running again. Max is pretty knowledgeable on these. Good guy to have around if you're going to get into it further.😉👍👍
Thanks craig for new video ..
what a treat! Your bike show is amazing. Cant wait for your show to get posted, reminds me when I was a kid waiting for the brady bunch show to come up. lol
Yes! New video 👌 keep em coming !
I really enjoyed this episode, I think Max might be my new favourite person on UA-cam, you definitely need more episodes guest starring Max in the future 👌🏽
This video encapsulates the fun/misery of vintage bike ownership.
*and* rotary ownership 🥲
(2x second gen RX-7 owner)
This is such a cool bike and two of them! Thank you for another cool video. It's going to be a great weekend. Those coffee cups are super cool also. Craig and Dan you rock!! ❤🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
That carburetor looks like it was designed by the Borg
Resistance is futile!
Loved seeing that Jawa at the end.
My grandad owned Jawa 500 and later Jawa 250 with a sidecar. :)
I was about to go to bed but i guess im not now.
i had a mk1 rx7 back in the day man what an engine , much respect to you guys! great content
Guys, WHERE would we all be without WD40?????
stuck probably
It actually gets gummy after a while.
Vessel JIS impact screwdrivers are the best to work on Japanese made engines. Just got my first set last year and I've always thought a good Snap-On Philips was the way to go. Not even close!!. I've been a mechanic for 40 years and didn't know what I was missing. My son immediately ordered 2 sets. We're fixing old trikes ,bikes and quads. Amazing what screws you can get out from corroded parts without destroying the heads! Got them from Amazon.
Sweet
My dad had one of these. I started taking it out around town when I was 14 or 15 years old. I loved that bike. It was a burnt orange color with black stripes
You missed the coffee mug - coffee bike Dad joke.... it's a Cafe racer... a coffee racer. (Cafe is Coffee in french)
Great partnership guys. Love it👏👏
Brings back memories , I had a 1975 RE5 and rode it for five years with no problems .
Awesome video! Can anything possibly be more complicated than a Suzuki RE-5 engine? The bike is now worth about 20 times more by running. Some things are just worth the extra effort to spend a day working and learning even if everything doesn't work completely out. Many thanks to your friend for his help and insights. I will remember his brake fluid trick.
As a shop owner that specializes in older bikes, I enjoy seeing people, especially younger people take on these bike projects!
I bought one new in 1976. Had to change spark plugs every 200 miles! They were titanium coated could not be cleaned. About $8 each 1976. I about gave it away 2 years later
I never knew motorcycles came like this. Remember as a teen having a Rx7 car that had a rotary ..loved that car
This is hilarious I never thought I would find someone more excited to fix a bike than Craig.
Awsome how u keep including fans and friends in your videos. Makes for great banter and content.
That test against the table (before proclaimed "It's runnin good") is how I always imagine the garage test my car after service. Perfect!
I wish I had discovered this channel sooner, the last few vids have been great!
Just picked up a 1982 virago 920 rebuilt the carbs now runs perfectly and the digital cluster worms perfectly
turned 16 in 1976 bought a new gt550 suzuki loved it. fast forward 1989 racing my rm250 lots of bikes later now 64 years old loving my 2006 c90 suzuki dont blink it goes by fast!!
Craig, there is a 1965 honda 305 dream in the basement of an small old house on Lower Rd in Westtown NY, across the street is an old barn that was converted into a house. I rode it all over orange county in the 70s. Go get it and get it running. If you need the registration I still have it.