The History Of CHEATING In Formula 1 | Joe Rogan & Chris Harris
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Chris Harris is an automotive journalist, racing driver, and television presenter. He's also the author of "Variable Valve Timings: Memoirs of a Car Tragic."
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The fact that he's talking about cheating in F1 and motorsport in general and Flavio Briatore's name hasn't cropped up is an outrage lmao
@@AilinOGriobhtha Flavio has truly been reborn. I mean he has come back to the sport after receiving a lifetime ban. To be fair to him though it didn’t say in the rules that it was not allowed so technically he didn’t break any rule that was in place at the time. Lol
Well he got caught… so maybe that’s why? The fact that we all believe Alonso was unaware though 😂😂😂😂😂
well that's a different kind of cheating where a crash was forced to give a win to a different driver, in this instance he meant engineering "cheating".
@@cessactdm I do realise that it was engineering type cheating that was being discussed but the particular comment I was responding to mentioned Flavio Briatore. He is of course known for the incident in Malaysia but I could of also brought up the very strange options available to Micheal Schumacher in 1994. The traction control option that they accidentally left in the system of only one of their cars and could only be accessed via a certain sequence of button presses. Of course they never used it or the traction control system that wasn’t traction control. They did manage to win a world championship despite Micheal making a “mistake “ in Adelaide and not finishing. All in a team led by Flavio, who we can’t really blame for the engineering “mistakes”, I mean he is just a T Shirt salesman after all.
@@sloppynyuszi Yeah it’s funny about that. Honestly looking at the situation and the racing IQ of Fernando I would not be surprised at all if the origin of the idea came from him whilst driving the car. A gentle message to the team along the lines of “Gee guys if we get lucky and catch a safety car in the next few laps we will be in a great position for the win here”. Fernando is that good at thinking about the situation of the race which we have seen time and again. Of course he is pretty good with the whole sergeant Shultz routine as well lol
My favourite “rule bend” was in 1999 when 3 F1 teams found out that the sensor in the grid to detect false starts was activated exactly 1 second before the lights went out. So they intercepted the signal from the sensor and set up a system that would beep in the driver’s ear 0.99 seconds after the activation so they would start the moment the lights went out.
They were caught at a race in Germany when the start lights malfunctioned amd stayed on but these 6 cars moved at the exact moment they should have turned off.
From the next race, the sensors were turned on at a random time before the lights went out.
Is this true??? I've never heard this before. But do remember that start. The one where Frentzen and Hakkinenn both went even though the lights were still on red
@@Phoenix1664it was the 1999 European GP. I believe you are thinking of the right incident. It is true, though there is some speculation that the lights didn’t malfunction, but purposely kept on to catch the cheaters. There is no evidence that this is true, though.
Well someone else's predictability isn't you're cheating if simply using information thats access was obtainable to you
@@n.w.owhoknowstheshadowknow58 that is not always true. Look at the 2007 spy gate scandal. The way information is obtained can sometimes definitely be cheating.
That being said, the 3 teams weren’t punished. The means of this way of cheating was just removed
I thought the FIA found them out and changed the timing
The US are generally fans of sports that are in stadiums and it’s a great marketing thing really. Everyone gets a great view… they took motocross, put it in a stadium and called it supercross for example.
control the environment, control the outcome.
The most popular sport in the world is played in a stadium. “Stadiums” existed in Europe long before the US had a stadium
Drive to survive has made MANY MANY people in the US fans of F1, even outside of the show.
I now watch all the races and follow the teams before the show drops after the season.
Yeah, because soccer is only played in the f'n wilderness around the world. Gimmeabreak.
i know here in australia we haven't invented seats we just play our pro sports in random paddocks, no one knows when or where. we should look into these things called "stadiums"
Murray Walker was and always the Greatest Commentator EVER!
Could not agree more especially when he had James hunt along side. He will always be the voice of formula 1 for me
@@Jcnbusiness 100% Martin is getting there for me too, but Murray was the OG.
@@Brendan77able I do enjoy Martin as well and a whole generation now will see him as the voice of formula 1
I hear Pual di Resta is pretty fantastic too.
Please dont say that... he was an icon yes but a terrible commentator. I have watched F1 since 1992 and he is by far the worst of them and on top of that his voice was pain to listen to.
Loved Mclarens extra brake pedal for brake steer and the fact it was only the media taking pics of the car after an event that it was detected and outlawed.
Was really surprised that he didn't mention this one! That was quite a scandal in the mid-90s. Then we had allegations of traction control as well in the mid to late 90s.
Not fair the British get to call the 2000s the naughties.
It’s not naughties lol. It’s the noughties. As in nought. Which means zero.
If I remember correctly F1 cars were 14 seconds a lap faster than IndyCar's at COTA.
And they dont massivly track extend like indycar do.
Indycar much better racing though…
😂😂😂😂😂@@martinmurtagh3221
I would hope so considering the cost of an F1 car is 400 million more than an indycar.
@@ohiopower f1 car budget is 150 million they restricted the teams from overspending.
2020 Mercedes DAS system , 2020 Racing Point car allegedly "copied" 2019 mercedes car
"someone must have had a button", yeah, his name is Bernie Ecclestone.
In go karting in the UK, the drivers used to hide a tennis ball in their race overalls to wedge into the exhaust down the straights to provide more back pressure and performance from the engine ha
Fair play to Chris for saying this on a large platform. Too many people just gloss over it and even some fans deny it because it bursts their bubble.
Real fans know that this is going on now and been happening since F1 conception.
The casual Drive to Survive watchers will have no clue.
No! This is the best part of the sport! This basically is the sport. I'm a fan of shenanigans.
@@TheFoggyjonesloopholes are great. Cheating isn’t. Mercedes’ DAS blew my mind. Perfectly legal bit of trickery and a phenomenal piece of engineering. Ferrari coming from nowhere to win in monza. Lewis Coming from nowhere to win in silverstone. Max coming from nowhere to win in Holland. Not so cool.
Ok casual, stick to drive to survive
How does this guy not bring up Spygate? Best cheating scandal ever in F1.
A team got another teams car data? That's the dullest cheating scandal ever. All the clever technical tricks are the interesting bit.
First time I’m hearing someone refer to a formula 1 car as a “vehicle” 😅 4:38
There’s not cheating in F1. They push the boundaries until the rules change then they find new boundaries to push.
Helium filled frames, nitrous bottles hidden in frames, acid dipped bodies less than paper thin, just a few
The helium filled frames never happened, it was one of the many urban myths about the Porsche 917.
Cheating = Innovation in racing. Doesn't matter if Nascar, F1 or BMX. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
When the soort routinely has to hold hearings wherein teams argue about what counts as a hole versus an edge (this was Brawn's double-diffuser), you know the teams are trying absolutely everything.
Williams's mass-dampener. McLaren's f-duct. Mercedes's double-DRS.
All of those were in the last 20 years, and those are the ones we know about.
The problem here in comparing F1 to NASCAR is that Chris knows very little about NASCAR, and Joe doesn't know anything about racing at all. The cheating in NASCAR is every bit as clever and technologically advanced as in F1. Look at the twisted sister cars and tell me they weren't playing in the same gray areas as the 2017 T-wings.
You aint got a clue mate
F1 engineering is closer to space travel than it is to NASCAR
@@DJP946 There's more engineering talent here than a lot of European fans want to credit. An American put wings on his cars years before Colin Chapman, and sucker fans years before Gordon Murray.
@@matthewjamison The United States is the Mecca of aerospace engineering, you don’t think any of those guys trickled down to NASCAR or Indy?
How do you cheat in Nascar? My understanding is that the brick they use to hold down the accelerator pedal and the string they tie to the steering wheel to keep it turning left have to be standardised?
Joe should have a old stock car guy on just to talk about this. Fuel in chassis and acid dipped bodies, all the realms of Motorsport too
Nascar literally races at COTA
This makes total sense especially when he was talking about the Toyota car when it was in a drag race the Toyota just disapreaed into the distance .every one knew they were cheating .Read Dwain Chambers book and ask me how Usain Bolt can beat the worlds best sprinters while they were on drugs and not just one person at least 5 drug takers he beat then look at Ben Johnson win on drugs and dont laugh when you find out Usians trainer was a fully qualified chemist
The rally car cheating was brilliant because the illegal bypass was spring loaded so it would disappear when the components were taken apart for inspection.
Imo its trying to find loop holes that leads to constent advances in the cars.
Mercedes steering wheel where they could camber the wheels.
Now McLaren has that mini drs effect going
My favorite cheating story is a car that had a DRS rear wing but no one could prove it because they didnt have high speed cameras yet and the officals could not find the mechanism that caused it everytime they inspected the car.
When you do not get caught, its not cheating in F1. Nerds, businessesman, drivers, engineers being creative. So cool
Rules are for the guidance of wisemen, and the obedience of fools.
@@joshualamp2438 in motor racing they are kind of like a rough guideline. I mean until you get caught then it’s probably not in the rules or if it is then they have to figure out how you have done it to catch you. Right?
If anyone is interested in more weird interpretations of the rules search up the Brabham BT46 otherwise known as the "fan car".. wasn't considered cheating but was banned in the same season it was introduced
Theres a fuckload of mind games and tricks involved in motorsports its just part of the culture and it always has been.
I'm a very big F1 fan but I gotta give my biggest props to Smokey Yunick. Greaterst cheat of all time.
Greatest rule bend of all time was DAS, still sad this got taken out
"Within a 1/10th of a scecond - it's amazing"... brings me to the comment of "no it isn't. it's BORING!". Just as bad as nascar really.
Give me MotoGP, where you can have 10 competitors going into the same corner side by side, and having 3 or 4 overtakes within 3 corners! THAT is racing!
Creating in F1 is Great!
Nice to hear him talk as a real person rather than the character on Top Gear he portrays.
2008 crashgate, 2019 Ferrari fuel pump, 2020 Mercedes DAS, 2024 RB asymmetric breaking are some recent ones
The FIA confirmed no teams were using the braking system, neither redbull or anyone else used it
How is the DAC is cheat
In no way was DAS cheating. It was a loophole
@danielbrazil4683 it depends on how you look at loopholes, it was banned the following year. Im not saying Merc was wrong for using it
You watermark someone else's content?!
NASCAR races at COTA. Jaimie pull that up
Abu Dhabi 2021 - they cheated Lewis Hamilton out of his 8th Championship right in front of everyone's eyes with no shame about it.
That has been the lowest point in F1 because it wasn't the teams trying to find a loophole it was literally the organisation itself deliberately cheating
'Mark Donohue did some Formula One racing too'.... "Dark' mark Donohue DIED in a Formula One crash, during practice for the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix, an accident in which a Marshal was also killed. Donohue did not initially seem severely injured, was conscious when they put his stretcher in the ambulance, as was waving to the cameras. He was initially evaluated and deemed non critical, having only a slight headache, later, it worsened significantly in short period of time, and he was taken to Graz hospital, where he slipped in to coma soon after admission, and died from a brain injury. This accident was one of the catalysts for Jackie Stewarts safety campaign to improve F1, his friend and protege Francois Cevert's death was the beginning of his campaign, but Donohue's was the cause for Stewart's camp to insist in much improved trackside medical facilities so serious internal injuries, especially cranial ones.
@@Apis4 extremely sad and you are of course correct. It really was the accident that caused the drivers to say enough is enough and insist on changes. There was some rumblings before that but this tragedy did seem like the tipping point. Mark Donahue was such a great racer in different disciplines. He really does deserve to be remembered as one of the best the United States has produced.
@@Jcnbusiness It was q process, Stewart took point, on driver safety improvements after Cevert died, at first with actual track layout and run off areas, then after Peter Revson died on the unfaced barriers at Kyalami and then Hemuth Keoniggs horror decapitation, at Watkins Glen , both in 1974, the barriers were on the list, and then, when Donoghue, and a fella I'm struggling to recall, both died after their accidents, the bloke I'm thinking off died en route to hospital...at Imola...I think, due being airlifted in an unpresdurosec helicopter, causing some kind of worsening to what was initially deemed a severe but treatable head injury....then inadequate trackside medical facilities were also highlighted and added to the cause.
Stewart knew them all, had been deeply hurt and permanently traumatized by Joachim Rindts death at Monza in ...1970? He and Rindt were close friends, more, his wife, and Linda, Rindts wife, we're best friends. He chalked it up to the risk of the game, initially irrc, but then he lost Cevert, followed by half a dozen more friemds and colleagues in the next 5 years. He became determined after Cevert to see changes, and learnt from each following tragedy, intent to not let them be pointless, and each one improve the safety in each area.
So the sport went 20 years without a fatality after Ratzenberger and Senna in 94, and has gone a decade now without even a career ending injury. That was paid for by Donohue et al, the least they could have done is remember his legacy properly!
@@Apis4 The sports ambivalence over driver safety was mad compared to today, Stewart was always aware and I think Jim Clarks death brought it home as well as an accident Stewart himself had where he was trapped in a car covered in fuel at Spa in 66 for BRM, he was lucky as a sudden shower not only saw him go off but a couple of other drivers as well and they managed to get him out of the car. I'm pretty sure the ambulance that eventually picked him got lost on the way to hospital as well.
@@gs8494 Yup, he smashed THHROUGH A FARM at the infamous Masta Kink back in the Glorious Triangle days of Spa. Got stuck hanging through the ceiling upside down fueling spilling out.
Clark, a fellow Scott, was the accident which opened his eyes, Rindt was what made him begin pushing, and Cevert lit a fire under him. But his own accident really made him understand just how bad it was. Then watching people like Donohue, Revson, Koenig et al, die just continued being revelation, after revelation as to just how many levels of insanely unsafe the sport was. Just what areas needed addressing, everything from track design and layout, to barriers, to pit and practice procedures, to fire safety and indeed, trackside medical help.
All of it had been inadequate for years, and drivers were dying in accidents that should NOT have killed them.
@@Apis4 You are of course correct. Jackie Stewart has been a driving force behind the continued rise in the safety of motor racing which has led to all forms of the sport being much safer. I think the real moment for him was his own accident which occurred at Spa. From Memory he went off and crashed through some sort of shed and came to rest against a tree. He was stuck in the car because he couldn’t remove the steering wheel and only with the help of a spectator who happened to have a spanner with him was he able to get out. No event officials or what passed for an ambulance arrived at the accident scene for quite some time as well. Jackie talked about the incident in a podcast at some point and it sounded pretty horrible and a real turning point for him. Although Jackie thankfully survived so many of his close friends did not. Jochen Rindt died on the way to hospital in Italy. I think the other driver you may have been referring to was Piers Courage who died in 1970 at Zandvoort. The car he was driving had a magnesium body. When the car went off it caught fire and magnesium unfortunately burns well. Piers had no chance and I seem to recall Jackie talking about it as he was in close proximity at the time and of course the race wasn’t stopped so the drivers were continuing to race past the crash site and could see the wreckage. I could be wrong though because Jo Schlesser died in a very similar situation a few years earlier. I think that was in France. You are correct in saying that the current day drivers and in fact all participants at any level of Motorsport have the people who sadly lost their lives to thank for the safety we now enjoy. Each and every one of them should be remembered. And along with people like Sir Jackie Stewart as well as many others who have pushed for continued safety improvements, should be treated with great respect. As a quick aside Sir Jackie was also a champion shooter who only just missed out on Olympic selection. A remarkable man and a legend as well as being a genuinely nice guy to boot.
Motorsports cheating stories are the best.
It reminds me of RB Assimetrical Braking valve they had for Verstappen. Something that was not "illegal" but was totally a gray area that gave an outrageous advantage to him. Everyone thought he was an allien.They caught him because of his teammates Checo couldn't turn and he could easily, that was crazy. Don't get me wrong, he is probably the best pilot but not by that much difference, the margin is small
Bernie’s magic button
F! is the professional wrestling of motor racing.
Nascar the real skill based racing 😂😂
People call themselves fans n don't understand the difference between cheating and innovation :P
When you get to the pinnacle of a professional sport everyone is virtually the same skill level.
Sure you will have your freaks of nature that are just better than everyone and are made for that sport.
It's obvious why someone would want to try and get some sort of advantage, even if that means breaking your honour and cheating.
Imagine if you thought that you were doing a really good job the whole season, and then it turns out that your team was cheating - that would be a horrible feeling for a sportsman.
michael schumi is the goat but he also cheated sadly in some aspects
True but that's so much less interesting, a tuned mass damper is much more interesting than just crashing into someone on purpose.
Dirty driving is something else as cheating
@@eduardhenny1 one could say they fall in the same category
bro steals clip from JRE and puts his watermark 💀💀💀💀💀
2021 abu dhabi
It wasnt cheating. FIA just messed up.
2007 Spy Gate.
2008 Crash Gate
yeah, he cut the chicane and had no sanctions, but in the end he lost, so its ok.
Get over it
2021 is a cheat and slap in the face for any real racing fan , breaking the rules on a live TV to favourite one driver over the other.
You'd be an idiot to think otherwise
Cheating in F1 has two names:
Flavio Briatore and Michael Schumacher. :)
The dirty buggas!
Imagine if rogan gets into moto lol
It's only cheating if you get caught!
"Oval racing is boring" says someone that has never watched oval racing. These cars are doing 190 mph for hours on end, WOT 90% of the race.
That takes more concentration than anything else
It's really boring.
That sounds incredibly boring
Watching the onboard camera is great, only then you see really good what's goning on.
--History of cheating in F1, ---" Some of the stories ive heard are so good....some of the cheats ive heard about are just so brilliant....Theres amazing stories of just amazing cheats''' proceeds to tell absolutely none of them. GFYrself
Of course there has been cheating and i believe there is some going on now but different than from the past because it’s not so much a team trying to get ahead but the sport commercial holders cheating with the tires to create this magical uncertainty of which team car or driver is dominant,because it’s great for the excitement and viewer numbers
Did they just say COTA is one of the best races of the season... in my opinion the track is largley forgettable when compared to most of the calendar
Junior Johnson is laughing in his grave
if you cheating you are not trying to win
As an f1 fan. Who the fuck are the two on the f1 cheating picture in the middle?
I always had doubts about that safety car in 2021 where lewis lost his eighth . It was so convenient that Latiffi crashed. It was so silly, including the lapped car situation .
All latifi ever did was crash dude😂
*he didn't win his eight, not lost. You can't lose something you haven't won yet.
@@johanburger4454 I'm sure he hasn't watched a single f1 race.
@hipotenuza5663 you think that finish was legitimate? The one time where cars don't unlap themselves (only the ones between Max and Lewis how convenient).
@adamdavis4928 that ending was weird and with no other car being able to overtake. Sadly..
. I do wonder if Lewis can get that elusive 8th
He doesn’t even know the best stories, he’s not doing it justice
FIA cheated in 2021, preventing Lewis Hamilton (the GOAT of F1) of getting his 8th World Championship(most in sport history)
😂
Wow I can’t believe I heard Win Percy’s name. British touring cars then Australian touring cars in the 80s in a BMW.
But this guy doesn’t know anything about F1 because all the cheats he’s alluding to. Everyone knows by now. If he knew them he would have mentioned them.
Tell me you know nothing about motor racing/ F1 without telling me you know nothing!
@@waltertorres2969 can I buy one. I’d love to give it a try. By the way, why are the drivers always exercising their neck ?
Hope you’re not talking about Harris.Hes driven in only 6 races and didn’t light the world on fire but I’d guess he’d have more knowledge about motor racing than you.
ofc british bias. but how much the rules were bent for mercedes in their heyday never talked about.
It's not cheating if it's not specified in the rules.
As Big Tobacco did/does to the Cannabis industry = what Nascar/Indy does to F1. But tbh USA embraces alot of racing diversity. Le Mans, Drag racing, MX/SX, Mud and Water drags etc. COTA has been proving to the INTL F1 community that USA would be interested if F1 invested more for it here. But it costs alot compared to other countries thats why. Takes alot to make the return an profits that the investors want back. It all comes down to who can establish the best deals for construction if its here in the USA.
F1 is in a major spat with the Antonelli’s over an 11th starter team (and the backlash from
Snobby European teams who are mad their cash cow might become less with an 11th team) thats the reason US investment has been so minuet in the last 10 years mainly.
@@xinniethepooh7174 Iv heard of that but Jesus it seemed so stupid considering how those teams could make a killing in the US. They just have to get more crafty with how they advertise and spread the word of the team for more sponsors/investments. Each team could pick a part of the US that has more demographics that connect to the region of the brand. Like in Texas there's a good portion of Germans. Upper Midwest has alot of Indians, middle easterners. New England area has alot from all across euro and Aussies on the west coast, Alaska, Arizona, etc. Just seems like a bunch of laziness and complacency.
@@xinniethepooh7174 EU teams!? UK isn't in European Union (EU)
@@hipotenuza5663 Shortened ‘European teams’ to ‘EU’, thanks for heads up will edit to avoid confusion
@@BeTeLGeuZeX Beliievveee me, the F1 fandom doesn’t understand the logic either. Its benign and silly thinking and now the US house of reps is involved due to anti competition laws. (Which they seem to be fighting really hard, thanks to the fact that antonelli’s home state’s politicians are pushing this in the senate and not letting F1 get away with this)
You’re 100% correct but logic doesn’t exactly mingle with an ‘old money’/‘boys club’ mentality that faces A LOT of European institutions, not just Formula 1. (E.g. something like 90% of UK politicians went to the same $$$$$$ per year, expensive private school)
Eventually it’ll collapse under senate scrutiny and money will start flowing into the states. For the next 5 years however, looks like F1 are deciding to dig their heels in the sand and be petty.
You should be talking about the 2021 season and how the entire season was fixed to benefit one driver from stopping the GOAT from beating Schumachers record. How they allowed Verstappen to get away with the dirtiest of tactics all season just to stop Lewis. Oh and we cannot forget the fix of AD 21.
It can be argued that Senna's death was in part contributed to be Benneton cheating via the use of banned electronic driver aids. Senna had to drive the corners off the Williams just to stay in touch, and was seriously annoyed at the rumoured cheating.
Is all WWE🤭😁😆😂😂
"my friend Bobby owns the place" is such a flex talking about a STUPID EXPENSIVE track😂
That was boring
Wacky Racers 😂😂
My friend Bobby owns the place
-Joe Rogan
NASCAR is just a stupid motorsport man🤦🏿♂️…
A lot of Ferrari’s titles were from cheating
Bs. Give me some evidence of it. And don't write "2019" cause Ferrari didn't cheated there, but you should know the rules to know about it.
@@solinvictus12342019
Joe is not knowledgeable about racing, as he is on most topics😂
2021 Abu Dhabi broke their own rules to give verstappen the win
We went motor racing.
This guy is a fake top gear front man. This guy have no idea about F1
You mean the history of Red Bull.
Are you serious? Everybody has had the flexi wings accusation pointed at them at some point.
Oh look a Ramilton fan that probably watches f1 on shitflix
@@BostilCensuradowhat Max fans are the ones watching Netflix.
Lewis was on papers as young as 13, he had his fans before internet.
Cut that out
@@Don-Royall Sure buddy, we all know there is a certain politically deranged cult of people that support Ramilton just because of a certain event, that doesnt happen with any other driver, you arent fooling anyone
@@BostilCensurado Cry all you want, Lewis fan were there before Internet, Max fans use Netflix
Insufferable
Click bait title. Not one story of F1 cheating! Lead balls and exhaust pipes, unregistered drivers on the grid comma teammates causing crashes for advantage, stealing documents from other teams, Ferrari's agreement about fuel flow meters, fuel tank pockets for measurements. Surely an industry Insider with no even more and care to share?
F1 is too sophisticated for most Americans.
5:44 chaparal 2j
Red Bull is still the biggest cheat in F1..😂
F1 is too complex for Americans.. unless it goes around in circles they haven't got a clue
This is take as fuck
Wow, listening to Joe Rogan talk reminds me just how ignorant he is. NASCAR is a dying breed, and Formula One is gaining ground in the US. I’m willing to bet the three races here in the United States for Formula One generate around the same amount the entire NASCAR generates for the whole season.
Quote from Ross Brawn: "its not cheating, its a competitive interpretation of the regulations."
Ferrari era in the 2000s best ever F1 time
That is the spirit
As far as I can tell, Formula 1 is the most multi-dimensional sport in the world… two simultaneous championships encompassed by a design and engineering competition where teammates are often rivals.
@@Spankster. Yes it’s quiet a dichotomy. You have maybe 1000 people including two drivers who all work together to make the fastest car. Then the only guy that you really need to beat home and make sure you’re faster than on a Sunday is that same guy who you worked with to make the car better.
One of the few sports where you can lose a title by having the 2 best drivers on your team
@@wasdrankings1518 Yes indeed and also probably the only one where someone is going to be upset about helping the team win a championship
I've been an F1 fan for over 20 years and that summarizes the sport better than I ever could.
Kind of. It's always about 1 team coming up with avoiding regulations or finding loopholes and other teams pointing to the loophole so the FIA ban it or just trying to compete with a winning team. And there is also Ferrari fucking up in a Ferrari way
The true geniuses don't find ways to break the rules.....
They find ways to figure out what the rule book DOESN"T say.....
The great Smokey Yunick once told of the NASCAR rule that the gas tank had to hold 26 gallons....
But nowhere did it mention the fuel line....
So Smokey made a fuel line that held 6 gallons.....
The best way to gain an advantage in sports is to find a way to take advantage of existing rules that allow you to have an edge within the confines of the game’s existing rules. Using my favorite sport of hockey for example, so back in the day when there were no penalties for hitting someone in the head and a player by the name of Scott Stevens realized as long as he didn’t commit any other penalties while hitting an opponent in the head like elbowing, interference, or charging to name a few, he could intentionally injure and take out the other teams star players with a headshot without breaking any existing rules at that time. To Scott Stevens credit, it worked and he wasn’t penalized for giving at least a dozen opponents star players a concussion throughout his career.
F1 is the best, but nothing compares to NASCAR in terms of cheating pedigree. *I'm european, and I don't like NASCAR
The Toyota incident was actually by Team Toyota Europe based in Germany. Whether Toyota corporate knew is another question
Unlikely, the racing team is ran completely separate from the commercial part of the business.
@@PrinceMauriceTV Ferrari, Renault, Audi, MC Claren, Renault, Toyota, and more have all been caught at one time or another, where the companies, not just the team's were involved.
Toyota, as the manufacturer, was directly involved since the World Rally Championship team was operated under Toyota’s banner. The scandal was significant enough to impact the company’s reputation.
@@EleventhMonkeytbf i think rep damage will only be to the team who cheated not the manufacturer as the teams mostly operate as standalone company and parent company only really gets involed when they are struggling. Take what renault did in 2008 as a example. How often do you hear people blame renault for it. I very rarely hear it as its allways big flavio who gets the blame.
The cooperate side of toyota would only of known what the ceo of TTE told them. You really think the heads of toyota really got involed in the engineering/design/r&d etc of all the cars they manufacture for sports or commercial or industrial use.
Came here to say this. TTE engineered and designed the system and implemented without Toyota Japan's knowledge.
Hi Joe! 31 years as a high school auto shop teacher & you know the owner of COTA?!?! Can you hook me up next month ? (Doesn’t hurt to ask as they say) thanks !!!!
Smokey Yunick. Americas greatest exponent of the “Unfair Advantage “
He wrote the book on cheating in motorsports.
@@brianshorey I wish he had written a book lol. He was a master that is for sure
@@Jcnbusiness He did - Best Damn Garage in Town - The World According to Smokey. They tend to sell for hundreds or thousands of dollars.
@@brianshorey I’m in Australia so it’s probably impossible to find here but thanks for letting me know. I would love to read it. Even at that price it is probably worth it
The reason F1 cars have wings is because Colin Chapman was at Indianapolis in 1963 when Smokey ran a huge wing on his car. The Lotus GP cars had wings shortly afterwards.
They are not cheating, they found grey areas in technical directive, and they beng the rules as much as positive.
The history of cheating in F1 ... covered in under 8 minutes. That's quite an achievement.
NASCAR is far more amazing, they race at COTA too... 😂
F1 is the rich kids club and NASCAR is blue collar, assuming they just turn left is a very narrow mindset
I've heard that on Nascar, in the 70s, people were running fuel inside the roll cage, to have an extra large tank.
Don't know true that is .. but..
Formula 1 is the best sport, im American, I’ve just never understood how nasscar is interesting at all