Starter Drive MOD Cordless Drill Starter for Generator NO MORE PULLING!!
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- Опубліковано 30 бер 2020
- An ugly but very effective mod on a 70s Ford starter drive with a few sacrificial parts thrown in.
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I'm a Brickmason and my pulley ropes are always breaking from chop saw, mortar mixer, generator, etc. Ingenuity; quick fix while I wait for parts or use at will. I like it. Great video very informative
I just used this "tool" for an old tiller. Thanks for uploading this!
Thanks for your recommendation of using a ratcheting adapter to prevent kickback.
I fastened a 1/2” ratcheting adapter ($17.50) to a 1/2” socket ($7.64) that fits the fly wheel nut on my 10 HP generator, but instead of cutting off a half inch socket extender to chuck into my drill, I got a high impact 1/2” drive socket adapter with a 1/4” hex shank ($4.79) that goes into my 20 amp cordless drill. I used duck tape to tape the ratcheting adapter so that it only turns clockwise. It works great. This was much easier than cutting off a socket extender and welding it to the ratcheting adapter. God bless!
Good idea with the duct tape, make sure to check it before every start attempt.
A couple guys were going to JB Weld or epoxy the switch ring on theirs. That would be fine too but with tape you can use the adapter for its intended purpose.
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Stay safe!
Can we hire you to make one for our application?
I love this portal AC. We can move around the house. Definitely need it for the hot summer.
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My 10 hp generac has a 3\4 inch. Square drive... Freewheeler in counter clockwise direction. A 15\16 12 point socket fits it. My 20 volt cordless drill spins the generator to start with a few cranks! I'm fortunate that I saw your tutorial! Thanks!
Thanks for sharing!
Good day Good idea! I used a 1/2 drive rachet with 15/16 socket & use it as a crank on 14 kohler. Work great. Thanks
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Good solution. Thanks for the video 👍
Excellent video. Thank you. I will try it!
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Work safe!!
Great project and good explanation.
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Love it guy, We are off grinders in new Mexico, have a few worn out generators, was thinking a chunk of drill pipe would almost perfectly fit into the 2 7/16 stainless hub, then a socket weilded into it, but would add probably ly too much weight, even if balanced, which definitely would not be. Yep need a bearing design.
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@Pm Tips atta baby. Will you make one our my application, a Kawasaki Mojave 250? Kick only, 11:1c
I have a similar generator, what I do is pop open the air cleaner, looks like on your model it's just one snap clip. Then do a quick spray of starter fluid on the air filter element. Close it back up and it usually will start on the first pull every time unless it's sub zero temps.
Thanks for the tip! I'll try that if it ever acts up on me.
Great video!
Thanks!
Great cleaning for a good price
Pm! That is so cool! That sucker works really good and it's safe to use! Nice idea! Have a good week and stay safe!
It sure does! I know it looks like a wild hair contraption but it is strong enough to do the job without buying a big enough one-way bearing to do it. I did buy a small one-way bearing on eBay but it looks far too delicate to handle the task. Take care!!
Outstanding ! ! !
Thank you!!
Brilliant idea
Thank you! Cheers!
This man just saved my ass… THANK YOU
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Work safe!
Good Idea. My Generator has electric start but I use it manual every other weekly test.. It starts 1st or 2nd pull. have your generator serviced so it starts easy by hand too.
Thanks for the info!
@@pmtips4482 Your motor seems to have the cutout for an electric start. you may be able to find a flywheel with a starting gear.and a starter motor. I've seen guys add elctric start. on you tube. .. but after watching again I wonder how long it's been since you did a carburetor service., Likely cause is the fuel idle circuit is clogged. Probably why it's hard starting on the rope
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Starter kit $80.00 bucks and easy to install and on need a drill and 3 inch hole saw
BRILLIANT!!!!
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Very Good!!!
Thanks!
interesting idea! Might be a starting point for a starting device for the generators not having the electric start option. Is it there a way to connect the drill to the recoil mechanism? So you don't need to remove the recoil system. Maybe use the recoil mechanism disconnecting abilities?
Different makers have slightly different designs on that. I'm sure with time and effort it could be done.
Be careful and thanks for watching!
I'd run some Sea Foam in the gas to clean the carb, maybe even drain all the gas from tank and bowl then dump enough Sea Foam in to fill the carb bowl...let it sit for several days and then drain it. Sometimes that will clear the carb jets (liquid rebuild).
Pm! Thanks so much for the idea, I built one with a starter drive (which makes your welding look like artwork, mine looks like Ray Charles welded it with his feet) then I saw your suggestion for a ratcheting adapter which is excellent as well, so when my welding breaks I have a backup :-)
Thanks for watching and commenting Mark!
I appreciate it!!
Dude, I'm a welder, you have me in stiches over here with that one.
Thanks, feel free to use it 🙂@@danielnolan3523
i have i 440 igx honda 15 hp on my woodchipper and recoils always breaking i cant get electric start upgrade for it was thinking this metod would a 18 volt drill do this
An 18 volt drill will turn it. Be careful, that is a lot of compression you are dealing with.
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Could you be more specific on the starter drive. I order 1 for 1975 ford 302 V8. It turns counterclockwise. Do you have a part# or link you could share?
Matthew, the exact drive I used is, Ford Lincoln Mercury 1964-72 NOS Starter Drive C6VY-11350-A made in USA, I got it on eBay for 4.00 plus 6.00 shipping. There is one on there now. IMO there are better configured starter drives to mod.
If you have access to a lathe, so much the better.
Bear this in mind though, any starter drive is a one way bearing that will work either CW or CCW. The inner will be the "driven" and the outer will be the "driver" or vise versa. Makes no difference how your motor needs to turn to start as all cordless drills have a reverse.
The difference is how you have to configure the starter drive.
Also, if you make one, be careful not to overheat the bearing part as the grease will run out the metal seals/seams.
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Have a good one!
Bravo......look at rc starters....cheers
Thanks!
Pro tip. Keep two cans of starting fluid also
Good tip!
I have the propane version of this (LP5500). In warm weather, it will start on the first pull. In cold weather or below 40 degrees, it will not start. Have been looking for solutions for cold weather starts. This is the closest to a solution. Going to have to come up with another system to break to kick back.
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this is exactly what Im looking for, any idea where I can buy a starter drive like that so I can fabricate for an old pull rope motor I have.
I would check on ebay for cheap ones, also some will lock up in the CW direction and some in the CCW direction. You can always just flip the drive over but now the rigging will be different but doable.
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Hey thank you. You saved me 350$. Good work 👍
Glad I could help!
Have a good one!
I didn't read all the comments so it might have been brought up already. Can you use an impact and not get the kickback.?
No, you can not use an impact type tool, they operate by a hammering mechanism and not by brute torque (turning power).
An impact would simply tighten the crankshaft nut to the tool's own torque limitation or if that is not the limiting factor the tool will strip the actual crankshaft threads.
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I reckon you'd be able to make such a device using a freewheel ratchet from a bicycle wheel.
I never thought about that one. I don't know how compact the unit would be, but it should be a strong enough one way bearing.
Work safe!
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Mine has electric start but i always pull start it. Pull the rope about 6 inces and it is running.
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that gen looks Branb new!
It's not. It's produces the dirtiest sine wave and frequency I've ever seen, and destroyed our microwave and smart TV.
I bought a Predator 3500 and love it.
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If that socket is just on the bolt thats a no no
It will break.
But if your engaging on that hub your safe. The hub is usually notched into flywheel so your not butting all thst torque on that tempered shaft .
I broke one off doing just that. But I have a nifty fix for that to.
Got it from UA-cam tarylfixall
Many good thing there
Thanks for the tip!
Ebay has a few started drives that are pretty cheep, but on the other side of the spline gear, there is a spring
And metal hat shaped disc ? Can that be taken off so it will work as shown...
Can i assume at low speeds it will engage , but when the motor starts and gets up to running speed the clutch will disengage so you would not break ypur rist holding the drill as other you tubers show .
Thanks
Hi Tom and thank you for watching!
I did remove the spring and disc on the opposite side of the flywheel gear drive.
After removing that and cutting off some excess hollow shaft material, you now have a one way bearing but a heavy duty bearing big enough to turn the engine without slipping.
Keep in mind a one way bearing will work no matter if you want to turn your engine CW or CCW, it's just a matter of how you configure your drill starting rig.
I did get my starter drive off Ebay and it was only 12 dollars shipped. I had to sacrifice a drive adapter and a socket.
It is nice though to not have to worry about the engine not breaking my wrist, or tearing up a cordless drill.
As you fabricate your drive unit, just think about the "drive" part (cordless drill) and the "driven" part (engine crankshaft). In my case the engine turns CW, so I fabbed it from there.
If you have access to a lathe it would be a fun project as you could keep the material to a minimum in size.
I did not have lathe access.
Have a good one and work safe!!
I lke it
Thanks!
my drill turend the wrong way , or, the right way for a drill, turning engine backward fast and now no spark, when turning right way , it ran a bit before. guessing the coil made sparks that went inside it damaged it and heat . melted a wire in it.its a gy6 scooter motor and used a strong big long electric drill.
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I really can't say what the heck might have happened to your engine on that deal.
I can not imagine though any sparks would have had anything to do with any damage.
I hope you get it running!
@@pmtips4482 sparks was wrong word but buildup of electic power in wires that melted them in the stator
What is the best recommended drill for making this drive?
Rick, I doubt a 12 volt would do it on a 389cc engine and bigger.
18 to 20 volts will definitely do it.
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Don't try it with a 1/2" Ridgid 18v impact gun. the results aren't good. I stripped my crankshaft nut... #embarrassed 😳
Nice job brother--I have a Power stroke generator, 6000 W/7200w --I was looking to convert it to a 12 V Electric start system , can find any info on it and Power Stroke is useless, then have no conversion kits
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I really appreciate it!
Can you make one for sale for an 11 horsepower Briggs and Stratton generator engine?
Michael, making one out of a starter drive is not necessary.
Go to Amazon and search " ratcheting adapter".
I just bought the 3/8 drive to try on my 390cc generator, haven't tried it yet.
Simple and just plug and play.
Be extra careful your socket don't come off as the engine fires and falls into any rotating cooling fans, etc.
The ratchet adapter is a one way bearing with all the work already done, and it's only 12 dollars.
Thanks for watching!
Stay safe!
@@pmtips4482 is this on amazon uk site
I'd love to do this but that starter drive is $60 alone, might just use a bigger one way bearing that I have from and auto trans.
I think any large one way bearing will work but try to limit the amount of heat when welding.
Good luck! Thanks for watching!
@@pmtips4482 I can seperate both parts so heat shouldn't be an issue but I think it might be a bit big about 3.5in round hah
Not sure where you were looking, but I Googled "1970 ford starter drive" and price was anywhere from $17 to $29.
@@lonniechartrand I just looked again and the cheapest I can find is $41... could just be that there not common so their expensive.
If both ends are identical all you would have to do is flip it over to get it to start an engine that turns in the opposite direction like if it was 3/8 inch Drive on both ends
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@@pmtips4482 you should sell them
I would think the fuel inlet jet or emulsion tube is plugged
It could be. I use the Predator 3500 now, but will get a larger model in near future.
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Vacuum leak maybe? That might be why it runs at full choke, it cant suck fuel
It's possible, I'll dig into it a little. This drill starter is a game changer for me, I know that term is wore out but the drill makes a huge difference.
Thanks!
@@pmtips4482 actually that makes no sense. If there was no vacuum it wouldn't suck fuel and not run at all. If it only runs fully open than it must be a lack of air. Idle valve or something might be clogged.
Does this work on weed eaters
were did you get the one way drive
eBay, it's a 1970s Ford starter drive. It was only 4 dollars plus shipping so I just bought the cheapest one I could find to experiment on.
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One of these might work as well. www.harborfreight.com/3-piece-thumbwheel-ratchet-set-94011.html
Can you make me one? I'm so weak and short. I don't seem to have the wing span to pull start anything!!
Annette, check out my video on using a ratchet adapter on your drill. It really is plug n play but be careful as the centrifugal force during each start can switch the direction on the adapter.
Work safe.
@@pmtips4482 I watched your video, but I want to know how to make one of those..Or do they make them, so I could buy one?
Annette, it can get complicated modding a starter drive, which is a one way bearing, due to sockets, solid rod, and fitting, along with welding.
A ratchet adapter can be plug and play.
If you can, buy electric start OPE.
Thanks and work safe!
We have used the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxOTeIs0vv4_9B5hsmnLsk9r930uDQLu_Y for probably 30 hours with our camper and it’s been great! The noise level is really only noticeable when running the AC and other appliances like the microwave, hair dryer, or coffee pot. It’s not huge like other ones and it has wheels so even at 90lbs, I can move it!
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Would you sell one of those to an old guy ?
Just get the ratchet adapter.
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Add gas
full Choke
Pull 2x
1/2 choke
Pull
Starts
I foresee the bolt you are turning, snapping off eventually.
I don't use that gen set anymore.
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Can you make one for me.
Can you sell me one? I don’t have a welder and I am virtually certain my wife will not look kindly at me buying one and possibly burning down the garage! Nonetheless, love the video I just need to find a way to source the product.
If you absolutely have to use a drill to start your OPE engine, please watch my ratchet adapter video.
Thanks!
Amazon sales a ratcheting drive for drill
Thanks!
looks like some wires going over to the choke switch
I can't remember but I'll check that out.
This generator has sat since I got the new Predator 3500.
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Show .e how to make that please
That’s what I want where can you buy.
It's home made.
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Sounds like you need to find out why that generator is hard to start those engines usually start on first pull.
The newer generation models will start easy. This was bought in 2009 and it seems they had a weaker spark.
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Why cant anyone give the starter Drive
number?... I have gotten 3 & they were all
for different cars & l have purchased one for
the vehicle I was told would work.. They all
worked the opposite way!... Why is this so
hard ????
Hi Dave, based on a one-way bearing operation, a CW or CCW drive will work on an engine running CW or CCW. One side will be the "driver" (inner or outer bearing reference) and the other side will be the "driven" (inner or outer bearing ref.)
One way will look more appealing to you as the fabricator, and the other way you look at it might make you think it's not doable, and it may be downright difficult without a lathe access.
Does that make sense?
@@pmtips4482 yes I understand ... I was just trying to simplify things and be able to weld 1 extension on each end instead of using a large socket (I have seen that on another video) .... Guess I will just have to do it the socket way to get it to spin in the right direction.
I know what you mean, I had to use a socket also to get it to work.
Good luck to you!
Hey can you sell me one of those sockets?
I put links in the description.
Thanks!
Price
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It's a diy project build.
Don’t do this with gloves on when it starts and you try to remove socket it can catch your glove and rip it off your hand im talking from experience. Also don’t do this because you can break off that nut on the crank shaft it is not made to take that much stress.
Yes on the gloves, nitrile is fine as they tear super easy and would never pull your hand in. The drill is okay but you should start the turning slowly then ramp up.
Thanks!
Use only on emergency😮😢
At 5:30 you showed why this is dangerous to begin with. There is not protective covering for the flywheel. 3500 rpm vs. hand = failure. I like the concept but maybe build a guard if you are going to do this all the time.
Right, I have taken a hole saw to the center of the cover, now it has protection around the fan.
Thanks for watching and the comment!
@@pmtips4482 awesome, looking into making this work with my generator. It's hard as heck to start, for me, and impossible for my wife.
Look again. He left the flywheel cover on. He only took off the pull starter
Running a generator without the flywheel cover on is an accident waiting to happen please be careful.
Thanks, it was still in testing.
I modified the OEM cover to work.
Take care!
A lawn mower battery is a heckuva lot cheaper.
I have the propane model of this same generator. It’s a bitch to pull start .
You got that right!
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Use engine starter spray. It makes it easier to pull start any small engine. The drill method scares me even with this mod.
@@WTF_BBQ great idea,will give it a try .
Just use a metal retractable starter pulley then you dont have to run away like you lit a firework, unless you like that thrill?
Thanks for the tip!
Use a what? Got a link you can share?
@@1funcar push mower pulley
Hard starting gen.
Something like they use on drag bikes
Just in case of emergency, with no power, the driller has an empty battery...
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Where do you buy this racheting adapter ps. ?
See my other video on using a ratcheting adapter.
Thanks and work safe!
Or, you could learn to clean a carb and have it run when you need it….
Good idea!
Thanks!
Yeah it’s not a Honda dude
if it was a honda it would fire first time
Yeah but you'd also be broke aswell
@@exogator i got one dirt cheap and im broke
None of my Honda generators ever started first pull and the oldest was almost 3 years old when it croaked!
1-2 pulls on my Honda EU3000 after I fill the tank. I fully drain the tank and carb between uses, so I don't have to purge stale gas.
@snaplash I use the highest ethanol fuel I can buy, so it doesn't go stale
dude just clean the carb and it will start first pull
Thanks for the tip!
Too dangerous for me.
It does require caution ⚠️
It wont start because the governor design is flawed and never lets the throttle close to the idle circuit position where a motor needs to be to do a normal start. This is what u get when u buy offshore where the designers (or copy cats) have no practical knowledge of what they are building !
Thanks for the info!
I appreciate you watching and commenting!
No one wants to watch a motor show how you made the tool
Thanks!
Outstanding!
Thank you kindly!