I could watch AvE unbox anything, the brutality, the haste, no bucking around for 14 minutes before the box is even in shot. 10 seconds in and its done
I bet I emptied 1000 dead water heaters with that M18 transfer pump. It would pass some pretty gnarley chunks. Obviously, I eventually forced the smoke outta it. Pretty skookum choocher in my opinion.
Yeah as a heavy duty diesel field mechanic this this works wonders for pumping coolant back in radiators. Especially on trailer mounted engines where the radiator fill is 15' off the ground. Drill pumps just could not do the job.
As a life-long Californian, I can confirm that it is rough living in California. Every day I get some form of new cancer and it's truly horrible. If only these chemicals weren't recognized to be carcinogenic by my state...
@@jutde lol. Name a product that isn't known to the state of California to cause cancer? To them 100% of orings cause cancer. It's better if they actually only labeled significant threats not. Or else it's a joke.
Do you actually think somebody is testing those materials to determine whether they are not cancer causing? Without those tests, Proposition 65 requires the label. Guess what? Manufacturers figured out it’s cheaper to label every single thing than to do the testing.
Great video as always my man! I work on wind turbines. I use this pump off and on for coolant. It is great for that. Drill pumps weren't functioning. I bought this pump since I have other Milwaukee tools. It does what I expect, every time. Self priming, use XC5.0 mostly but have a XC8.0 as well. I will try it next time I have a big hydraulic leak (Mobil DTE) to see if it can help transfer the waste hydraulic as well. As far as Castrol X320 gear oil I doubt it can move gear oil, but maybe worth a try. I have had nothing but suffering with "drill pumps" Maybe they were all cheap , poor quality. But yeah hate even thinking about drill pumps. I really have learned quite a lot from watching your posts. I honestly appreciate your input into the world. Thank you AVE!
I just bought this pump a few days ago for filling rads on heavy equipment. Running out of a 1000L tote with 3/4 hose on each end (pushed over a NPT nipple as you have in your set up). I measured the drop in height over 1 minute filling another vessel. The markings on the side of the tote are 93MM/100L. I measured a 31MM drop in 1 Minute. That works out to about 33.3L/Min. On a single mostly charged Max 5.0 I pulled 500L out of the tote and lost only 2 bars from not exactly fully charged battery. For the purpose I am using it (filling rads on 100L+ systems) this beats waiting around for the lube truck. This instance i actually filled the lube truck as a way of testing the pump. I only geeked out and measured some shit because of your video's. thanks Uncle Bumblefuk
Once upon a time, when I was a wee lad....I was at the Sta-Rite plant where they were testing the output of their pumps and they test them with a column of water and the LARGEST diameter pipe that the bung is threaded for. So we are talking positive head from the water column throughout the duration of the test and zero restriction from the plumbing fittings on both the suction and discharge lines. Positive head is the magical formula that will give you those numbers, plus increasing the size of the suction line.
You were talking about the old Detroits diesel, the old man was telling me a story about him and a few friends rebuild a 12-71 and slapped in a needle nose pete. On the first fire up they didn't have any batteries to spare so they decided to pull/push start and park it to break it in. So they let someone who never seen a semi truck before hop up in the cab to dump the clutch, so he slapped it in "first" fired up first pull. After the break in dad jumped in the cab and went to put it in gear, let out on the clutch, and the truck went in reverse, so he slid it in reverse and it went forward.
I had an RD350 streetbike that would run backwards if you almost stalled it. Surprise, surprise, surprise at the green light unless you happened to hear that the motor sounded a little funny before you dumped the clutch.
Random nugget of info - in the UK those engraved Lamicoid signs are known as Traffolyte. Grandfather worked at De La Rue, when they got out of the business of custom engraving in the late 60's he picked up a machine and a load of stock and made a decent business of it.
I suspect that if you were to attach the original fittings with 5/8" garden hose, as it was designed for, then your flow would increase dramatically. There is a lot of restriction with all of the fittings, valves and what appears to be 3/8" hose. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
Also looks like the output was restricted with the ball valve half closed from when he was maxing psi. High psi equals more load thus less flow and shorter battery life.
He restricted the output to simulate pumping to a head, as the box advertised. Yes, if it opened it fully up it would work much better, but that's not what the specs said. It said X number of gpm at X number of feet of head...and that was what he was trying to duplicate.
Not likely, usually pumps are spec'd at max flow at zero feet of head the total run time is also likely spec'd at zero feet of head. The max head rating would be at zero gallons per minute flow rate. Then you have everything in between, the spec would be 480gph at 75feet of head. But either way it likely would only be close to spec in real world testing.
Hand Tool Rescue Even flow Thoughts arrive like butterflies Oh he don't know, so he chases them away Someday yet he'll begin his life again Life again, life again Now it's stuck in my head. Love your channel by the way!
I might add that the near useless Booch Micro Chainsaw does one thing exceptionally well..and that is slaying any cardboard power tool box in 4 seconds flat lol 👍
ifn your testing one of those winch's stay FAR away while testing, the cable used on those things doesn't have much of a safety factor, 3\8 cable is common on 12k winch's, which is about where the breaking point of the cable is.
Being that I spent time conscripted in the USNavy. I have partook of laying of lines to attach our ship to the dock. They started out as 2 inch thick lines. during a weather event, they were 1 inch thick lines. And you wanted to be no where near them.
animefreak5757 you can replace the cable with synthetic rope to considerably increase safety. Steel cables are steel cables. I know I would be more interested in the unit itself rather than the line.
Just FYI for anyone interested: used to work at a 4WD shop that was a Warn dealer. Not skookum at all for the price, just cheap pot metal body, cast winch reel, and metal-injection gearbox. The motor is on one side, and drives the gearbox on the other side with a ~5/16" hex shaft through the center of the reel. Motor wasn't terribly impressive either, the quality is just OK but not great. I would be interested in a teardown of one of the harbor freight winches, never had one apart and saw quite a few that lived on trailers for loading a car, and they seem to last fairly well for such a cheap product. The only thing I wouldn't trust is the cable, they don't look nearly as nice as the Warn cable. Edit: wire rope, not cable
AVE - You need to use a 3/4" ID hose on both sides of the pump to get the full flow level that is claimed on the box. It looks like you have a smaller 1/2" ID hose in the video. 1/2" is a much smaller flow area, and this smaller flow area is restricting the flow rate. Try the test again with full 3/4" hose directly on the pump head and you will achieve the advertised flow rate.
@28:37 max pressure of 30PSI, regardless of the outlet size the pump was not pushing enough to create pressure, so the 1/2" outlet had no bearing on the volume of displacement the pump is capable of... Maybe you should try and learn from AVE rather than fabricate your own ideas. @AVE what do ya know guy?
They most certainly do do a physical test, you don’t just develop a product and not test it. Of course their engineering team develops the best way to test it, but if they get the results they claim, then that’s not false advertising.
I'm a marine Chief Engineer. And one thing we never do is run a Jabsco dry. Never. Ever. They fuck up in seconds when dry. So, prime it and when finished leave a loop of pipe above the inlet so that there's always a positive head on the pump.
Ive been using these 3-4 times a week for oil changes...works great for what it is. 5 centistoke to 68 is most common but it will even pump 320 gear oil. there is some type of high current shutoff...so then you have to sit there turning it on and off...but it does the job 4 batteries later I adapted an inliner filter to it so we can prefilter our oil...and the pump seems to handle it alright. We carry spares for the inevitable breakdowns lol...talk about running gear hard and putting it away wet. Awesome to see how its made.thanks ave!
Beautiful morning. Sitting in my recliner with a big bowl of cereal in my boxers and skookum shirt when a notification for this video pops up. Time to start drinking.
Not even that, you just buy a shitty miniature bench disk grinder, gut it for the motor, leave the stand, hot snot the cheapo pump at the start in place with a piece of rubber as a flexible shaft between the two, and you're done. I'm willing to bet you can get this so cheap it's not even funny, and it will last just as much as you need it too, heck, considering those cheapo pumps are disposable as a whole, it will probably outlast this milfukery.
Velcro wire straps combine the adjustability of worm gear clamps and the convenience of zip ties. They can be a bit delicate if you don't get the skookum kind though.
Cheers to ave for another robust video. As someone who relies on tools like this to feed my family it’s nice to get a good look under the skirt at the beef curtains. Keep up the awesome work!
When I worked in the plastics factory, as a die setter / process technician many years ago, I learned to identify many different Plastics based on their smell if you burnt them.
Retest using the OEM fittings. On suction side a very short hose and as near to zero lift as possible. On the discharge side do not add anything. Tare a 5 gal pail & use to catch the discharge. Run the pre-primed pump for 30 seconds into the pail. Reweigh pail, subtract the tare, multiply x2, then by x60, divide by 8.31= reasonably accurate gallons per hour. My guesstimate (not worth very much because I am not Canadian, even worse a Californian, and this response is years too late.) is 27 lbs. in 30 seconds or 390 gallons per hour.
He was creating resistance equal to if you were pumping up. Every vertical foot of water is about ½PSI, so creating 30PSI of resistance would be simulating pumping 60 feet up.
i mean considering it came in a box, why did it have to come inside a plastic bag too? is it that important to contain the smell of chinesium for the end user?
burtosis And it will be a LOOONG shelf life, because no one in their right mind is spending 150$ american on this, unless the Milwaukee fan boys need to finish their complete set of tools.
I noticed from factory it has garden hose hook ups is it possible that by chocking down to that smaller hose size that you used altered your results and made the pump work harder ? Ps love your videos thanks
Commented the other day that my solar 'batterias' are charging like they should. Wife looked at me like a deer in headlights. "AvE" I muttered. Wife walked away shaking her head.
Have worked with marine sea water pumps for years. Impeller don't care which way it turns, it will flip the vanes in the proper direction when the engine starts. Lots of diesels, when stopping, will run backwards part of a revolution (due to cylinder compression), so the seawater pump impeller could be flipped backwards part of a revolution as it comes to a stop.
I've combined brass and aluminum garden hose fittings before. The damned things eventually weld themselves together and there's no separating them without irreparable damage. I've learned to always use Permatex aluminum anti-seize lubricant.
As always, I enjoyed the hell out of this, and all of.your other episode’s. My guess as to the exaggerated performance claims would be zero restriction or turbulence of any kind. And by that, I mean no fittings or valves that are less than full port. And as far as the discharge, I’m sure they advertised the best results of GPM and PSI under two totally different scenarios, but neither at the same time or test. I very much appreciate you’re video’s and twisted sense of humor! I wish you were my neighbor. I’ve been shopping at the same sort of industrial gettin spot for 23 painful years, and am now overwhelmed with tube drive and digitally controlled hydropneumatic ingredients of all kinds. Thanks Again, Troy.
You are the funniest, most knowledgeable guy i seen on youtube.. Nd your canadian so its even funnier. Lol. Im grom wisconsin so you have the accent everyone says us Wisconsiners have.
Louis already sent AvE a TS 100 soldering iron and he mentioned in his stream that he will send AvE two macbooks to "fix", it was in one of the last streams, there is something funny incoming :) Over the last months AvE showed up sometimes in Louis' stream chat.
The max flow numbers would be with no restriction on the inlet or outlet. Max run time would be done the same way. The larger a pressure differential the positive displacement pump has to create, the more work it has to do (less battery life). Higher differential pressures also cause more slippage which accounts for a loss of flow rate. These facts are true for positive displacement pumps, but not centrifugal pumps. They actually pull less current and do less work when you choke the outlet.
I have used this pump for work now for a a few months now and it is surprisingly sensitive to using smaller diameter hoses for pumping. I use to use some older washing machine hoses to hook up for transferring water around but they have an inner diameter of a 1/4" have since switched to short 3/4"ID garden hoses and it runs much faster. So for Milwaukee marketing test they may have had it piped together with 4inch fire hoses to get the number you see on the box.
I'm guessing their max GPH & GPC was based off a large diameter hose on the inlet and outlet (Least restriction possible) and a brand new battery. During your test you had the ball valve choked back on the outlet side creating back pressure, and small diameter hoses. Lots of restriction. A lot of times spec sheets are written to fluff up the capability of the item being sold, with a huge caveat: Not all specs can be achieved at the same time. Max head and max GPH are inverse to each other and therefore cannot be achieved at the same time.
yeah i'm not sure how he hasn't caught onto this yet.. they're all prefaced with "max", that doesn't mean "max gph at max head with max restriction".. that means "max" the components are capable of. using all those fittings might have been an acceptable way to test if the components are capable of the claimed head but the test has to be individualized for each of the other claims.
My brother has written out several of them but still swears by them. I've used his once for a water heater replacement and it was terrific. I now own the ryobi and it worked great as well. For a often a I need a pump either one is far and away capable of doing the job. I'm not draining pools for crying out loud.
We've had one at my previous job for a over a year now. Used it mostly for pumping hydraulic fluid. It's been absolutely fabulous. Fuck the job to high hell, but that pump turned a two man job with a big ass air driven pump into one man carting around a 55 gallon drum with that chucked on top. Even worked fairly well to empty plugged drain pits in a pinch.
Perhaps the small tube on the inlet side is causing a restriction and faulting your test. The original fittings looked much bigger than what you plumbed. You can bet when tested at the factory, they used the biggest hose they could find to make the best results. Love your box cutter!
Can you do a BOLTR on the NutriBullet. No not that one, the one that blends. Well... LOL. We’ve had, well my girlfriend has had two go bad. Hmm, might have answered my own question.
It would be the shortest video you have ever seen they are way too simple just a motor and switches on mine the plastic fans would blow apart from the high speed so after about 3 of them later I decided to take one apart and I just took all the bits and pieces of broken fan out and cut rest off motor and it works perfect no more issues I just dont run it for over 30 seconds at a time so it dont overheat.
I replace those impellers all the time. A new impeller can be bent the wrong way, and more than that, there are oil change pumps using this type of impeller and they change direction on purpose...
Taken from the electronic systems evaluation course I took with the US government, there are ways to test a system which are advantageous to the supplier. Unless you specify the methodology used to test a system, the manufacturers will ALWAYS use a test which does not conform with what will be experienced by the user.
In millfuckees defense, he tested the pump with a bunch of fittings and 3/8 hose causing a pretty big restriction. The original fittings are designed to be used with garden hose(which is 5/8). I'm sure if he used the proper fittings and hose we would have seen far better results.
AvE I love you man 😂😂😂 You remind me of the Mechanic I trained under during my apprenticeship. Made me the mechanic I am today and thought me a whole new level of swearing 😂😂😂
Fluorinert, man I'd forgotten about that stuff. We used to use it testing NVG power supplies an Northrop. I almost died when I found out how much it cost. I think at that time it was 4,500$ for a 3 gallon jug. 😨
On the video it seems like your valve on the left wasn't all the way open when you were testing the run time. Also using smaller hoses, they probably used garden or sum-pump hoses on their tests to get least amount of flow restriction.
AvE made a mistake!!! The MOSFETs are not in an H-bridge or totem-pole configuration. If you look at the backside, you can see that the contacts are bonded together same-to-same, so that they're parallel. This is fairly common. It's cheaper and more reliable to use two in parallel rather than one big one. Totem-pole uses two MOSFETs, true, and you use one when you want to connect one wire to either positive or negative. But you pretty much have to use them in pairs because the other wire will also have to be switched, otherwise you'll be switching between a running motor and both motor wires connected to the same thing. A pair of totem-poles is an H-bridge, which are used when you want to do reverse, and it uses four MOSFETs. In other applications, it's not uncommon to do a parallel set of H-bridges to double up the current handling, and, if so, you'll see eight MOSFETs. In summary, MOSFETs: 1=regular, 2=parallel regular, 4=h-bridge, 8=parallel h-bridge.
From recollection, most of my power electronics repairs have been mosfet in parallel that took down the rest of the string. Perhaps twice as likely statistical mosfet failure is a result of this design (if a single mosfet failure = x, then this is x * 2), since these dudes are all about designing in failures.
Your inlet suction line is far to small. Use a 5/8” or 3/4” suction hose. Use 1/2” or 5/8” outlet. Make sure outlet is one size lower than inlet. I believe that will help, but doubtful it will yield those numbers.
AvE, quality as standard. Any chance you would dissect a nicotine delivery vaporiser unit. I imagine they are straight forward but with about 2 million reformed smokers here in the UK alone, I think it would be of interest to a few of us.
They are indeed very straightforward: a typical E-cigarette is little more than a container for the fluid, a (LiPo) battery, a switch and a coil of Nichrome wire immersed in the fluid (as a heating element). Pressing the button on the handle closes the switch and delivers current from the battery to the Nichrome coil. The Nichrome very quickly heats up to somewhere around 250 Celsius, which causes the fluid to flash into vapour that you then inhale. Most fluids are a mixture of propylene glycol, glycerol, nicotine and flavourings. I can't guarantee that there isn't any interesting chemistry that goes on near the heating element while in operation, so what you breathe in probably contains some other organic compounds that weren't in the original liquid. I'm a biochemist, so the nature of such thermal decomposition products and their (likely deleterious) effects on human physiology is very interesting to me. It's up to you whether you want to try that experiment on yourself though. There's no doubt that E-cigarettes are less dangerous than real cigarettes (how much less is unknown due to a lack of data), but can be just as addictive as the real deal if the fluid contains nicotine.
@@nerd1000ify Interesting. Thanks for the insight. I use to smoke a pack a day until I discovered "vaping". No longer smoke cigarettes and after a year have no side effects. No more coughing wheezing or chest congestion. Also I dont run out of breath as fast. Im not 100 percent back to were I was before I smoked but thank god honestly for vaping technology. Im obvisouly still addicted to nicotine but with vaping its easy to taper off using "juice" that has smaller amounts pf nicotine. - Jacob S.
Probably a little late with this but I'm guessing they tested GPH by flowing the outlet as an open butt. The fiittings and hose you used will increase friction loss and the 1/4 turn valves on the supply and discharge lines likely have very small orifices. It's either that or something else.
I could watch AvE unbox anything, the brutality, the haste, no bucking around for 14 minutes before the box is even in shot. 10 seconds in and its done
Just like date nite!
Stewart Mckinna TIME!
It's the delivery from the hydrocarbon foam that gets me every.... TIME!
Superb
And horrible unboxing
Micro chainsaw for the win.
It's adorable to hear your tone instantly change when your daughter is in the room
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ yikes
TomaCukor that’s one way to out yourself as a pos.
@@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ lmao
I assumed that was his grandaughter..
I don’t know much at all about tools but I find these videos highly satisfying and they help put me to sleep at night.
Dylan Rutan me too man. How strange. Every night for months now haha
@@darkhorse4148 Same haha
I bet I emptied 1000 dead water heaters with that M18 transfer pump. It would pass some pretty gnarley chunks. Obviously, I eventually forced the smoke outta it. Pretty skookum choocher in my opinion.
Yeah as a heavy duty diesel field mechanic this this works wonders for pumping coolant back in radiators. Especially on trailer mounted engines where the radiator fill is 15' off the ground. Drill pumps just could not do the job.
@@brendanwood1540 good lord
I have emptied quite that many, but it's definitely been a couple hundred. So damn useful
Do they drain a lot faster with a pump on em??
@@cpjuan1353 oh yeah. Like 10 minutes vs 30 minutes.
" I could pull it out and show you...but then you'd feel bad about yourself. " Oh AvE.☺
Especially if he’s got a big ‘ol green one measuring 30 on the ‘A’ scale.
Yet within a half hour we've seen both his brass fittings and his shaft. 😐
Every word and phrase a gem, every time. The guy has a certain way with language....goddamn genius.
Anyone else waiting for him to cut somthing important off when he opens the box.
Would have liked to give you a like but it’s at 100 and I don’t wanna ruin it
@@enbee_ash6740 I have the same issue he's at 200 perfect
@@altonbarna7161 Now he's at 250 and I don't want to touch it lol
is at 333 now
whoops i hit the button
My wife was listening and laughing from across the room, "what's he breaking apart now?!"
As a life-long Californian, I can confirm that it is rough living in California. Every day I get some form of new cancer and it's truly horrible. If only these chemicals weren't recognized to be carcinogenic by my state...
"Known to the state of Cancer to cause california" for a reason.
Agreed. California *is* horrible. Don't come.
@@jutde lol. Name a product that isn't known to the state of California to cause cancer? To them 100% of orings cause cancer. It's better if they actually only labeled significant threats not. Or else it's a joke.
@@buixote why you no come?
Do you actually think somebody is testing those materials to determine whether they are not cancer causing? Without those tests, Proposition 65 requires the label. Guess what? Manufacturers figured out it’s cheaper to label every single thing than to do the testing.
28 minutes worth of pumping is all I can usually manage before the nuto wins, even on a full charge myself.
Best comment. Give this 🚹 a medal.
*Slow deliberate clap that increases in frequency and intensity*
Great video as always my man!
I work on wind turbines.
I use this pump off and on for coolant. It is great for that. Drill pumps weren't functioning. I bought this pump since I have other Milwaukee tools. It does what I expect, every time. Self priming, use XC5.0 mostly but have a XC8.0 as well.
I will try it next time I have a big hydraulic leak (Mobil DTE) to see if it can help transfer the waste hydraulic as well.
As far as Castrol X320 gear oil I doubt it can move gear oil, but maybe worth a try.
I have had nothing but suffering with "drill pumps" Maybe they were all cheap , poor quality. But yeah hate even thinking about drill pumps.
I really have learned quite a lot from watching your posts. I honestly appreciate your input into the world.
Thank you AVE!
I just bought this pump a few days ago for filling rads on heavy equipment. Running out of a 1000L tote with 3/4 hose on each end (pushed over a NPT nipple as you have in your set up). I measured the drop in height over 1 minute filling another vessel. The markings on the side of the tote are 93MM/100L. I measured a 31MM drop in 1 Minute. That works out to about 33.3L/Min. On a single mostly charged Max 5.0 I pulled 500L out of the tote and lost only 2 bars from not exactly fully charged battery.
For the purpose I am using it (filling rads on 100L+ systems) this beats waiting around for the lube truck. This instance i actually filled the lube truck as a way of testing the pump.
I only geeked out and measured some shit because of your video's. thanks Uncle Bumblefuk
Very interesting, your measurement is very close to the 480 gallons per hour (30 L/Min).
If you look at the inlet tube in the video you will notice that the tube looks like it is 3/8. That there will restrict the the flow.
How big a boat was it? (horsepower)
Living in California is pretty rough. Everything is expensive and covered in avocados and fire.
and taxes
And everything causes cancer
Not to mention the gun laws there are horrific.
hahahaha
Surprised I haven’t gotten cancer yet
$10 for the drill pump, plus a zip tie or hose clamp to keep the trigger down.
I just saved $90, and opened myself up to a bunch of liability!
I have never found a drill pump that works as well as this does. Which is why I inevitably went with this pump and couldn't be happier.
Those drill pumps piss a bunch of water tho. Likely a one time use. Easily overspun.
incorrect comma usage before conjunction
Attach to a die grinder pump like mad fire awhile till they melt
i want to see some corn running through the window.
Ken Anderson same
The only possible response to this scenario would be "Corntact!"
@@TBreezy17 I'm guessing you've done a bit of drain/sewer work, no?! ?! ?! lololol That cracked me up dude!!
Once upon a time, when I was a wee lad....I was at the Sta-Rite plant where they were testing the output of their pumps and they test them with a column of water and the LARGEST diameter pipe that the bung is threaded for. So we are talking positive head from the water column throughout the duration of the test and zero restriction from the plumbing fittings on both the suction and discharge lines. Positive head is the magical formula that will give you those numbers, plus increasing the size of the suction line.
You were talking about the old Detroits diesel, the old man was telling me a story about him and a few friends rebuild a 12-71 and slapped in a needle nose pete. On the first fire up they didn't have any batteries to spare so they decided to pull/push start and park it to break it in. So they let someone who never seen a semi truck before hop up in the cab to dump the clutch, so he slapped it in "first" fired up first pull. After the break in dad jumped in the cab and went to put it in gear, let out on the clutch, and the truck went in reverse, so he slid it in reverse and it went forward.
Some Dude lol I've heard of those stalling on a hill and starting back up reverse rotation.
If you change gears from reverse to first just as you bump a dock you can have a truck with 13 reverse gears and 1 forward gear.
I had an RD350 streetbike that would run backwards if you almost stalled it. Surprise, surprise, surprise at the green light unless you happened to hear that the motor sounded a little funny before you dumped the clutch.
That makes me remember the Lester Flatt song "Backin' to Birmingham"😀!!
Letting a 2 cycle Detroit Diesel run in left hand rotation very long will starve the crankshaft bearings !
Random nugget of info - in the UK those engraved Lamicoid signs are known as Traffolyte. Grandfather worked at De La Rue, when they got out of the business of custom engraving in the late 60's he picked up a machine and a load of stock and made a decent business of it.
"it must be rough living in California" I can attest that you sir, are correct.
I suspect that if you were to attach the original fittings with 5/8" garden hose, as it was designed for, then your flow would increase dramatically. There is a lot of restriction with all of the fittings, valves and what appears to be 3/8" hose. Just my 2 cents on the subject.
He could get the manufacturer's specs if he just poured the water downhill next to the milfuckee pump unit.
Also looks like the output was restricted with the ball valve half closed from when he was maxing psi. High psi equals more load thus less flow and shorter battery life.
He restricted the output to simulate pumping to a head, as the box advertised. Yes, if it opened it fully up it would work much better, but that's not what the specs said. It said X number of gpm at X number of feet of head...and that was what he was trying to duplicate.
Not likely, usually pumps are spec'd at max flow at zero feet of head the total run time is also likely spec'd at zero feet of head. The max head rating would be at zero gallons per minute flow rate. Then you have everything in between, the spec would be 480gph at 75feet of head. But either way it likely would only be close to spec in real world testing.
I believe that the max flow listed is under ideal conditions.
man the amount of knowledge you have makes me feel bad about myself as a senior mechanical engineering student
Emphasis on student. Ave is a pro. Keep at it.
EVENNNN FLOOO-OOW
Fancy seeing you hia
Hand Tool Rescue
Even flow
Thoughts arrive like butterflies
Oh he don't know, so he chases them away
Someday yet he'll begin his life again
Life again, life again
Now it's stuck in my head.
Love your channel by the way!
Hold on until it need to rescue broo..
One of the better Pearl Jam songs.
Pearl Jam is a euphemism for Semen
I have only heard my dad and myself say “Drier than a popcorn fart”. I’m so glad I subscribed to you!
"Pixie choreography department" -- I about died XD
I must have skipped over that phrase. Was that the PCB?
@@jaryH3 the brainbox
@@DeepCZero3 (:
I might add that the near useless Booch Micro Chainsaw does one thing exceptionally well..and that is slaying any cardboard power tool box in 4 seconds flat lol 👍
Test an automotive winch. I know it's not a hand tool but I bet a ton of people will be interested in it and how much it can really pull
California is just worried that someone might try to turn this hose sucker into the gentleman's version of a Hitachi filling rattler.
ifn your testing one of those winch's stay FAR away while testing, the cable used on those things doesn't have much of a safety factor, 3\8 cable is common on 12k winch's, which is about where the breaking point of the cable is.
Being that I spent time conscripted in the USNavy. I have partook of laying of lines to attach our ship to the dock. They started out as 2 inch thick lines. during a weather event, they were 1 inch thick lines. And you wanted to be no where near them.
animefreak5757 you can replace the cable with synthetic rope to considerably increase safety. Steel cables are steel cables. I know I would be more interested in the unit itself rather than the line.
Just FYI for anyone interested: used to work at a 4WD shop that was a Warn dealer. Not skookum at all for the price, just cheap pot metal body, cast winch reel, and metal-injection gearbox. The motor is on one side, and drives the gearbox on the other side with a ~5/16" hex shaft through the center of the reel. Motor wasn't terribly impressive either, the quality is just OK but not great. I would be interested in a teardown of one of the harbor freight winches, never had one apart and saw quite a few that lived on trailers for loading a car, and they seem to last fairly well for such a cheap product. The only thing I wouldn't trust is the cable, they don't look nearly as nice as the Warn cable.
Edit: wire rope, not cable
AvE is like a somm for plastics. Truly a man of culture.
AVE - You need to use a 3/4" ID hose on both sides of the pump to get the full flow level that is claimed on the box. It looks like you have a smaller 1/2" ID hose in the video. 1/2" is a much smaller flow area, and this smaller flow area is restricting the flow rate. Try the test again with full 3/4" hose directly on the pump head and you will achieve the advertised flow rate.
I can't believe he fucked that up either.
I was thinking the same thing
Plus that involves pie are square stuff or something like that. So double becomes 2 mcdoubles or something like that with area
@@rwood1995 3/4 is about 2.25 times bigger in cross area than 1/2
@28:37 max pressure of 30PSI, regardless of the outlet size the pump was not pushing enough to create pressure, so the 1/2" outlet had no bearing on the volume of displacement the pump is capable of...
Maybe you should try and learn from AVE rather than fabricate your own ideas.
@AVE what do ya know guy?
Cant believe you were huffin plastic for us. Bless your heart.
I kinda like it, brings me back to my 80's crack smoking days 🤣
They don't run a physical test. It's all just calculations based on pump volume, motor rpm, etc.
sixtyfiveford I think you've got it. Those are calculated specs.
Generally a pump is deadheaded and from the known quantities in that they derive things like head and flow rate.
They most certainly do do a physical test, you don’t just develop a product and not test it. Of course their engineering team develops the best way to test it, but if they get the results they claim, then that’s not false advertising.
@@Sffker doesn't mean that those are the specs they advertise though.
@@zoravar.k7904 thanks for stating the obvious
I'm a marine Chief Engineer. And one thing we never do is run a Jabsco dry. Never. Ever. They fuck up in seconds when dry. So, prime it and when finished leave a loop of pipe above the inlet so that there's always a positive head on the pump.
A quick check for ABS is acetone. If it goes tacky after you've put a dab on then it's ABS
What if it's PVC?
unless it's polystyrene, or some other soluble plastic.
Ive been using these 3-4 times a week for oil changes...works great for what it is. 5 centistoke to 68 is most common but it will even pump 320 gear oil. there is some type of high current shutoff...so then you have to sit there turning it on and off...but it does the job 4 batteries later
I adapted an inliner filter to it so we can prefilter our oil...and the pump seems to handle it alright.
We carry spares for the inevitable breakdowns lol...talk about running gear hard and putting it away wet.
Awesome to see how its made.thanks ave!
Beautiful morning. Sitting in my recliner with a big bowl of cereal in my boxers and skookum shirt when a notification for this video pops up. Time to start drinking.
The amount of knowledge I get from these videos is so awesome!
But the drill one is exactly what zip ties on the drill trigger is for.
Bingo!
That's the first thing I thought too lol
Hose clamps for adjustable flow.
Not even that, you just buy a shitty miniature bench disk grinder, gut it for the motor, leave the stand, hot snot the cheapo pump at the start in place with a piece of rubber as a flexible shaft between the two, and you're done. I'm willing to bet you can get this so cheap it's not even funny, and it will last just as much as you need it too, heck, considering those cheapo pumps are disposable as a whole, it will probably outlast this milfukery.
Velcro wire straps combine the adjustability of worm gear clamps and the convenience of zip ties. They can be a bit delicate if you don't get the skookum kind though.
My guy your video by the manufacturers is quite literally the best idea ive heard in a long time.
The Milyuckie test facility must use a 200' water tower on the supply side
whoflung dung I interned there, the place is suspiciously close to the Germantown water tower 🤔
By far the best beginning of any unboxing on UA-cam
Have you been losing weight? Bare wrists are looking a little more streamlined.
Jon Gordon, you have a thing for hands don’t you!? 😂😂
The 200 pound gorilla is looking more like 175 pound now
The wife must be lettin the cork in the bottle. Losin use of the hand
It's all that vertical hangulation he's been doing on his cork stuffer.
This is just what happens when you spend your free time sniffing plastic melt
Thanks!
My Thinkpad is, as I can confirm, *JIZZ* proof. Take that Apple.
proof is in the space pudding ;)
That’s some salty pudding ;)
Jacob Andrews a a Sade
Unfortunately, Winblows isn't porn-website-malware proof. Lmao
Cheers to ave for another robust video. As someone who relies on tools like this to feed my family it’s nice to get a good look under the skirt at the beef curtains. Keep up the awesome work!
The important question is how much peanut butter can it pump per hour?
Mark Trombley
Peanut butter with bits or without? Also, the viscosity of different brands can vary
Also. Hot, room temp, or cold peanut butter?
African or European?
Mark Trombley all of it
When I worked in the plastics factory, as a die setter / process technician many years ago, I learned to identify many different Plastics based on their smell if you burnt them.
-10 for singing. +100 for the song choice. Also: Green is 30 amps.
Retest using the OEM fittings. On suction side a very short hose and as near to zero lift as possible. On the discharge side do not add anything. Tare a 5 gal pail & use to catch the discharge. Run the pre-primed pump for 30 seconds into the pail. Reweigh pail, subtract the tare, multiply x2, then by x60, divide by 8.31= reasonably accurate gallons per hour. My guesstimate (not worth very much because I am not Canadian, even worse a Californian, and this response is years too late.) is 27 lbs. in 30 seconds or 390 gallons per hour.
The ball valve was barely open while you were testing it with the 9.0 battery.
First thing I noticed as well.
@@ericpayne3084 I noticed that too...
He was creating resistance equal to if you were pumping up. Every vertical foot of water is about ½PSI, so creating 30PSI of resistance would be simulating pumping 60 feet up.
Could be the fact that your ball valve was 1/2 way shut on the flow side and your inlet side had the same size hose as outlet
Yep
i mean considering it came in a box, why did it have to come inside a plastic bag too? is it that important to contain the smell of chinesium for the end user?
Likely to avoid moisture issues for the long shelf life it needs before someone buys it.
burtosis And it will be a LOOONG shelf life, because no one in their right mind is spending 150$ american on this, unless the Milwaukee fan boys need to finish their complete set of tools.
In case it passes through California it will keep the cancer inside the bag.
BrickBike
The *Real* cancer is California. I would rather take my chances inside the plastic bag.
poot111111 nice
I noticed from factory it has garden hose hook ups is it possible that by chocking down to that smaller hose size that you used altered your results and made the pump work harder ? Ps love your videos thanks
Commented the other day that my solar 'batterias' are charging like they should. Wife looked at me like a deer in headlights. "AvE" I muttered. Wife walked away shaking her head.
Have worked with marine sea water pumps for years. Impeller don't care which way it turns, it will flip the vanes in the proper direction when the engine starts. Lots of diesels, when stopping, will run backwards part of a revolution (due to cylinder compression), so the seawater pump impeller could be flipped backwards part of a revolution as it comes to a stop.
It shouldn't matter unless the impeller is a couple years old and then its brittle and will just break lol
I've combined brass and aluminum garden hose fittings before. The damned things eventually weld themselves together and there's no separating them without irreparable damage. I've learned to always use Permatex aluminum anti-seize lubricant.
"Corn kernels through the pump again?" If I had a dollar for every time my wife yelled that at me from the shower . . ..
_Richard Head of Marketing_ LOL!
As always, I enjoyed the hell out of this, and all of.your other episode’s. My guess as to the exaggerated performance claims would be zero restriction or turbulence of any kind. And by that, I mean no fittings or valves that are less than full port. And as far as the discharge, I’m sure they advertised the best results of GPM and PSI under two totally different scenarios, but neither at the same time or test. I very much appreciate you’re video’s and twisted sense of humor! I wish you were my neighbor. I’ve been shopping at the same sort of industrial gettin spot for 23 painful years, and am now overwhelmed with tube drive and digitally controlled hydropneumatic ingredients of all kinds. Thanks Again, Troy.
With the inlet gauge showing nearly full draw I think there is a hell of a restriction on that side.
Golf ball through a coffee stirrer?
You are the funniest, most knowledgeable guy i seen on youtube.. Nd your canadian so its even funnier. Lol. Im grom wisconsin so you have the accent everyone says us Wisconsiners have.
AvE watches Louis Rossman too?
Louis already sent AvE a TS 100 soldering iron and he mentioned in his stream that he will send AvE two macbooks to "fix", it was in one of the last streams, there is something funny incoming :)
Over the last months AvE showed up sometimes in Louis' stream chat.
It would seem Ave watches many many popular YT videos. The question is, what is his alter ego's alias?
Worse than that I suspect AvE watches woodworking videos.
Probably Mustie2 as well. Similarities in the vocab.
Even though you dont call it an unboxing video.....you have the best way of opening a tool box.
The max flow numbers would be with no restriction on the inlet or outlet. Max run time would be done the same way. The larger a pressure differential the positive displacement pump has to create, the more work it has to do (less battery life). Higher differential pressures also cause more slippage which accounts for a loss of flow rate. These facts are true for positive displacement pumps, but not centrifugal pumps. They actually pull less current and do less work when you choke the outlet.
I have used this pump for work now for a a few months now and it is surprisingly sensitive to using smaller diameter hoses for pumping. I use to use some older washing machine hoses to hook up for transferring water around but they have an inner diameter of a 1/4" have since switched to short 3/4"ID garden hoses and it runs much faster. So for Milwaukee marketing test they may have had it piped together with 4inch fire hoses to get the number you see on the box.
9:10 Louis Rossmann reference?
Id say so, louis referenced ave the otherday. Probably the recent video where louis had a macbook in suffering from that exact problem.
I feel like UA-cam is dividing people into classes. Do we all subscribe to all the same channels?
migkillerphantom yes and if you subscribe to AvE you’re in the correct class.
migkillerphantom only the good ones
I bet AVE sent him that macbook
Unboxing using the ultimate unboxing Bosch tool that previously got a slating. You got to love it.
I'm guessing their max GPH & GPC was based off a large diameter hose on the inlet and outlet (Least restriction possible) and a brand new battery. During your test you had the ball valve choked back on the outlet side creating back pressure, and small diameter hoses. Lots of restriction.
A lot of times spec sheets are written to fluff up the capability of the item being sold, with a huge caveat: Not all specs can be achieved at the same time. Max head and max GPH are inverse to each other and therefore cannot be achieved at the same time.
yeah i'm not sure how he hasn't caught onto this yet.. they're all prefaced with "max", that doesn't mean "max gph at max head with max restriction".. that means "max" the components are capable of. using all those fittings might have been an acceptable way to test if the components are capable of the claimed head but the test has to be individualized for each of the other claims.
My brother has written out several of them but still swears by them. I've used his once for a water heater replacement and it was terrific. I now own the ryobi and it worked great as well. For a often a I need a pump either one is far and away capable of doing the job. I'm not draining pools for crying out loud.
i never laughed so hard until i saw the start when you chainsaw the packaging hahahahah
We've had one at my previous job for a over a year now. Used it mostly for pumping hydraulic fluid. It's been absolutely fabulous. Fuck the job to high hell, but that pump turned a two man job with a big ass air driven pump into one man carting around a 55 gallon drum with that chucked on top. Even worked fairly well to empty plugged drain pits in a pinch.
Perhaps the small tube on the inlet side is causing a restriction and faulting your test. The original fittings looked much bigger than what you plumbed. You can bet when tested at the factory, they used the biggest hose they could find to make the best results. Love your box cutter!
I agree. Need to use fittings with larger I. D.
gotta be the size of threads on inlet. 3/4 most likely. So going from 1/2 to 3/4 will give like 2X
Couple of lessons learnt - dont go to tight with o rings and transparency reduces bullshit. Great work.
Can you do a BOLTR on the NutriBullet. No not that one, the one that blends. Well... LOL. We’ve had, well my girlfriend has had two go bad. Hmm, might have answered my own question.
It would be the shortest video you have ever seen they are way too simple just a motor and switches on mine the plastic fans would blow apart from the high speed so after about 3 of them later I decided to take one apart and I just took all the bits and pieces of broken fan out and cut rest off motor and it works perfect no more issues I just dont run it for over 30 seconds at a time so it dont overheat.
You opened that box like a champion 🤘🏼
Jeezless!! You touched it with your bare skin!!!!! RIP
I replace those impellers all the time. A new impeller can be bent the wrong way, and more than that, there are oil change pumps using this type of impeller and they change direction on purpose...
They found you? RUN FOR IT MARTY!!!
Heavy!
Nice Dual Sanitronic!
The Libyans!!
Taken from the electronic systems evaluation course I took with the US government, there are ways to test a system which are advantageous to the supplier. Unless you specify the methodology used to test a system, the manufacturers will ALWAYS use a test which does not conform with what will be experienced by the user.
In millfuckees defense, he tested the pump with a bunch of fittings and 3/8 hose causing a pretty big restriction. The original fittings are designed to be used with garden hose(which is 5/8). I'm sure if he used the proper fittings and hose we would have seen far better results.
AvE I love you man 😂😂😂 You remind me of the Mechanic I trained under during my apprenticeship. Made me the mechanic I am today and thought me a whole new level of swearing 😂😂😂
"aaaaaah now i'm gettin' all my flavors muddled" oh man i love your videos
They are running super chilled fluorinert down hill through the pump.
Rafael Sherman my thoughts exactly
Fluorinert, man I'd forgotten about that stuff. We used to use it testing NVG power supplies an Northrop. I almost died when I found out how much it cost. I think at that time it was 4,500$ for a 3 gallon jug. 😨
I always loved starting my 8v92 and finding that I have one forward gear and eight reverses in the Eaton-Fuller. Fun times when they start in reverse
I lost it at "rectum frier." Its the most high brow scatological joke I've ever heard.
You must be very new.
John Possum Extremely
Good lord man!! Its 1130 at night I was half asleep scrolling thru UA-cam.. that intro! HELLO!!!
Im curious what the proformance of the drill thing is compared to the pump
Tyler L the drill thing sucks.
Don't you want it to suck? If it didn't suck, it wouldn't prime....
zrobotics DAD!!!
Maybe that small diameter hose you have on the inlet is restrictive? Great work as always AvE keep it up
Open the output ball valve all the way and try again. Also maybe bigger hoses, they look a little small but could be mistaken. Love the videos!!
"The pixie choreography department" ie: the circuit board. Classic!
On the video it seems like your valve on the left wasn't all the way open when you were testing the run time. Also using smaller hoses, they probably used garden or sum-pump hoses on their tests to get least amount of flow restriction.
“Come upstairs and you’ll see!”, The most daughter statement ever.
AvE made a mistake!!! The MOSFETs are not in an H-bridge or totem-pole configuration. If you look at the backside, you can see that the contacts are bonded together same-to-same, so that they're parallel. This is fairly common. It's cheaper and more reliable to use two in parallel rather than one big one. Totem-pole uses two MOSFETs, true, and you use one when you want to connect one wire to either positive or negative. But you pretty much have to use them in pairs because the other wire will also have to be switched, otherwise you'll be switching between a running motor and both motor wires connected to the same thing. A pair of totem-poles is an H-bridge, which are used when you want to do reverse, and it uses four MOSFETs. In other applications, it's not uncommon to do a parallel set of H-bridges to double up the current handling, and, if so, you'll see eight MOSFETs. In summary, MOSFETs: 1=regular, 2=parallel regular, 4=h-bridge, 8=parallel h-bridge.
Good comment. Don't you get lower RDS(on) with them in parallel? So a little less heat generated, smaller heatsink, less case plastic, yada yada.
From recollection, most of my power electronics repairs have been mosfet in parallel that took down the rest of the string. Perhaps twice as likely statistical mosfet failure is a result of this design (if a single mosfet failure = x, then this is x * 2), since these dudes are all about designing in failures.
Milwaukee probably tests the pump buy pulling from a tank 10 feet in the air. Hydrostatic assist.
Magnificent!!!
Your inlet suction line is far to small. Use a 5/8” or 3/4” suction hose. Use 1/2” or 5/8” outlet. Make sure outlet is one size lower than inlet. I believe that will help, but doubtful it will yield those numbers.
“dry as a popcorn fart” - hahahaha
Thx for the o-ring advice. I've done that more than once!
AvE, quality as standard.
Any chance you would dissect a nicotine delivery vaporiser unit. I imagine they are straight forward but with about 2 million reformed smokers here in the UK alone, I think it would be of interest to a few of us.
They are indeed very straightforward: a typical E-cigarette is little more than a container for the fluid, a (LiPo) battery, a switch and a coil of Nichrome wire immersed in the fluid (as a heating element). Pressing the button on the handle closes the switch and delivers current from the battery to the Nichrome coil. The Nichrome very quickly heats up to somewhere around 250 Celsius, which causes the fluid to flash into vapour that you then inhale. Most fluids are a mixture of propylene glycol, glycerol, nicotine and flavourings. I can't guarantee that there isn't any interesting chemistry that goes on near the heating element while in operation, so what you breathe in probably contains some other organic compounds that weren't in the original liquid.
I'm a biochemist, so the nature of such thermal decomposition products and their (likely deleterious) effects on human physiology is very interesting to me. It's up to you whether you want to try that experiment on yourself though. There's no doubt that E-cigarettes are less dangerous than real cigarettes (how much less is unknown due to a lack of data), but can be just as addictive as the real deal if the fluid contains nicotine.
@@nerd1000ify Interesting. Thanks for the insight. I use to smoke a pack a day until I discovered "vaping". No longer smoke cigarettes and after a year have no side effects. No more coughing wheezing or chest congestion. Also I dont run out of breath as fast. Im not 100 percent back to were I was before I smoked but thank god honestly for vaping technology. Im obvisouly still addicted to nicotine but with vaping its easy to taper off using "juice" that has smaller amounts pf nicotine. - Jacob S.
Nice! Sounds like switching to vaping really paid off for you.
@Aeolwn pissing about with rebuilding coils himself I'm guessing.
Probably a little late with this but I'm guessing they tested GPH by flowing the outlet as an open butt. The fiittings and hose you used will increase friction loss and the 1/4 turn valves on the supply and discharge lines likely have very small orifices. It's either that or something else.
It is like ABS but not ABS....maybe ASA?
Pure comedy, and educational material at it's best.
i just figured: wouldnt it be their test with a tank having an outlet at the bottom of it to use the fluid mass for extra free numbers?