Depends on your meaning of worst. Who is the Better and fleshed out Villain? Jack Harper more commonly known as "The Illusive Man". The Worst as in poorly written, ill conceived, and a marry sue self insert? Kai Leng. Also, you kind of hit on it. his eyes remind me of... Saren Arterius. HE was indoctrinated by Nazara, more commonly known as Sovereign. History doesn't necessarily repeat, but it definitely rhymes. Edit: this is what I get for posting before finishing the vid. Joker's sister on Tiptree? Remember the Asari girl in the hospital whom has PTSD and is talking to the doctor? she was sent to Tiptree.
The Citadel dlc now should be fine to do once you do Priority: Horizon. It’s a long dlc, easily my favourite dlc of all time though. So much fan service for us Mass Effect diehards. Also if someone hasn’t already mentioned it I highly recommend bringing Liara on the final mission.
Thessia does hit hard. Even harder than Earth. Now that we have intimate knowledge of the scale. Yeah, Javik saw the whole galaxy die around him, not just one planet. He kinda knows what he is talking about.
1:28:40 I think Javik actually cares in a way, because when Shepard tells him that Liara means a lot to her, he tells her what she wants to hear, to make her happy. If he didn't care, I think he would have been brutally honest, and he probably would have told her he didn't mean it. And also, Prothy the Prothean has a certain ring to it, doesn't it 😆
Don't know if you were aware of this, but that Asari with PTSD in the hospital is talking about what happened to Joker's sister and family on Triptree.
This is the most important mission of the series - by that I mean saving our big cuddly buddies the Elcor. As if the Reapers couldn’t get any more evil.
As sad as it seems..... the situation with the Elcor just shows how thin everyone is being spread. The Asari are meant to protect the Elcor. You saw how well they were going. The Turians are busy with defending themselves and the Volus. The humans and Salarians are busy holding their space together.
Just a little info you may or may not have missed now you've had the conversation with Joker. He talks about Tiptree and the Reapers arrival there. If you listen to that traumatised Asari in Huerta Hospital, she is talking about Tiptree. It is widely believed in fandom that the 'farm girl' was Joker's sister.
So the asari were raised up by the surviving Protheans to be the ones to end the Cycle and beat the Reapers, but in their infinite wisdom (read: "hubris") decided to ignore the warnings and hoard the Protheans' knowledge for themselves.
Dj Lucy in house with mix master Dr. Chocolates, that part of the play through had me dying laughing 🤣. Yeah I really feel like you were meant to bring Javik along for that mission as well, but with original release of the game he was day one dlc.
1:36:06 My personal choice for a possible book title would be "The Prothean Empire: A Living History Of The Protheans," which is essentially combining 2 of the possible book titles that Liara has listed here
If you ask me, while Illusive Man's argument isn't _completely_ without merit (letting the Reapers and their knowledge and power just be erased is a waste), what he fails to realize is two things; one, would *anyone* truly appreciate such limitless power in the hands of a terrorist group like Cerberus? And two, how can he be certain it's his own conclusion? After all, even if he wants to stop the Reapers in other ways than outright destroying them, he's still hindering the Galaxy's efforts to do so more than he's helping them. I suppose that's the real scary part of Indoctrination. It uses any your own arguments against you. Even if you're completely devoted to your own race's safety, Indoctrination still manages to make you sabotage them without realizing it.
Except for one detail you are probably missing... Even if the Reapers are destroyed, they won't be vaporized. Maybe the survivors might not be able to reach quite the level of the Reapers, but certainly in only a couple decades could advance by thousands of years by studying and reverse-engineering Reaper tech. The Illusive Man's plan as it is, leaves Reapers in existence with his mind in control... and when he dies, what then? At least destroyed they won't be a threat anymore and we can still take advantage.
@@j.rileyindependentproductions I feel like you're trying to make an argument for the ending of the game, but despite my own opinions I'm not going to. Both to keep this section spoiler-free and because I'm not in the mood right now to argue about that subject.
@@Timjer92 Oh, no, believe me, I am NOT making an argument for the end of the game at all, and am remaining SPOILER FREE. I was referring ONLY to how things are in that moment between Shep and TIM. What I say in that situation, does not define anything else I may or may not decide at any other part of the game.
1:34:14 There is a version where she doesn't. If you hadn't hit that paragon choice, Liara would've buried in her bed lying on her side like a fetus crying herself into dispair. I've seen it once because I wasn't fast enough to hit the paragon choice and after that you can't talk to her. The scene just ends.
Javik was originally *not* DLC--they changed him to day 0 DLC--so I imagine it was originally intended to include Javik, when it could be expected everyone could bring him.
Secret Context: Keep talking to traumatized girl in citadel hospital. You might inadvertently discover something about a crewmate. It's not explicitly said, you have to parse it out a bit. On a side note I never had the DLC so getting Javik in the Thessia scenes for years of just bringing random crew mates added a huge amount of good content. Very cool. Also there is something he says that is a big foreshadow. You would never guess but interesting in hindsight.
This mission hit hard when this first came out at this point in the game liara was a very beloved character so having lost and having her lose her home world kind of took a number on us. Lol....also after doing the priority mission sanctuary i recommend doing any unfinished missions especially the citadel dlc.
This is the mission that pissed off a lot of people. Kai Leng and his ridiculous plot armour. Nothing worse in gaming than a cutscene defeat by an enemy whose ass you were annihilating in gameplay. Doesn't help that Leng is a wannabe Edge-Lord that some lame writer thought was 'cool.'
Greetings milady! It was fun watching the expurgated version of your Stream (after attending the Live Stream)... this gut punch still hurts even with repeated viewing! You are into Chapter 3 and the Times of Reckoning & Resolution for this grand epic! They do well in putting all the puzzle pieces together and resolving the loose plot threads... and we are all looking forward to your next meet with that bastard Kai Leng! As Javik put it... his is a throat that needs to be slit! 🤯🤬 Bioware was GREAT at making you feel fully invested in the characters and the story, and really hurting your feelings with their plot twists and occasional crucial defeats! Many of us still bear the trauma of that Chapter of Neverwinter Nights with the Mother's request to rescue her Children from that Pack of Were-Rats... the tears and the rage are forever ingrained in our psyches from that one! I had friends who all played the game at the same time... we all had the same reaction. Turned the game off and had a good cry in the corner for awhile. We each called one another after reaching the plot twist... conversations were the same... "Did you reach that part in the story?!" answered with a quiet and subdued "yeah"... 😓😅😅 Returning to the game a day or two later was with a fire of RESOLVE to quell our thirst for REVENGE! The MASS EFFECT Trilogy & DRAGON AGE were BIOWARE's final hurrah... 🙏😙 I look forward to your next Twitch Stream luv... the is still much to do,and the CITADEL DLC will probably take two (or even 3) Streams to conclude... it is jam packed to the gills with LOVE and hilarity (to counterbalance the traumas you've recently experienced)! See you soon luv, and as always... FLY ON COMMANDER! 🤟😎
Talking about DJ Lucyus and remixes: What we really need here is you to make us a nice "Boop, Wheeeeeee, RUDE" remix! That would be one hell of a earworm. Think about it. Cut together all the "Boop" all the "Wheeeee" and all the "RUDE", get some bass and melody under it! A masterpiece is born!
I don't feel sorry for the Asari at all. Shepherd kept asking them to help and that everyone needs to work together but they stood on the sidelines until they needed help.
This is untrue, they help once Cerberus attacks the citadel, way before Thessia falls. Admiral Hacket literally mentions this if you ask him about the council races after the respective mission. Don't get me wrong, they weren't helping from the get go, but it's not like anyone else was, we going to not care about Palaven burning or the Batarians getting obliterated(that happened before Earth was attacked, not a single council race helped them, including the Alliance).
God, I hate Kai Leng so much! Worst written character of the trilogy imo. He's like the self insert of a 14 year old edgelord who watches too much anime.
The sad part is, he was a character that Mass Effect fans were begging to be brought into the game. He was in the novels first, and he's a much better character there (Or so I'm told.)
hard to feel sorry for the Asari's, Turians and/or Salarians, they were nothing but jerks and typical of real world politicians. I'm referring to the counsel. I did notice how anti-climatic that mission was.
Yeah, I *really* don’t like it when games give you a boss fight you can ”win” followed by a cut scene that’s like “nah, we’re doing this now”. If you’re going to do that, why not just make the whole thing a cut scene?
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Ok who is the worst, Kai Leng or the Illusive man? No wrong answers here 😒
I'd say Kai Leng. At least Illusive Man can respect his opponents (such as Shepard). Kai Leng's just an outright jerk.
Depends on your meaning of worst. Who is the Better and fleshed out Villain? Jack Harper more commonly known as "The Illusive Man". The Worst as in poorly written, ill conceived, and a marry sue self insert? Kai Leng.
Also, you kind of hit on it. his eyes remind me of... Saren Arterius. HE was indoctrinated by Nazara, more commonly known as Sovereign. History doesn't necessarily repeat, but it definitely rhymes.
Edit: this is what I get for posting before finishing the vid. Joker's sister on Tiptree? Remember the Asari girl in the hospital whom has PTSD and is talking to the doctor? she was sent to Tiptree.
Definitely Kai Leng - I think tiresome egdelord must be one of his special augmentations.
Kai Leng for any imaginable reason. Disliked the space ninja the instant he was introduced
Kai Leng, by a large margin. TIM is at least sincere in his beliefs, misguided as they are. With Kai Leng it's all about his ego and his sadism.
1:07:21 Kai Leng: "I've got this!"
Kai Leng literally 5 seconds later: "I need to recharge! Cover me!"
😂😂
They did him dirty hes a n7 after all
i always feel so sorry for liara... and proud of how quick she bounced back onto her feet after u encourage her.
Right??
The Citadel dlc now should be fine to do once you do Priority: Horizon. It’s a long dlc, easily my favourite dlc of all time though. So much fan service for us Mass Effect diehards. Also if someone hasn’t already mentioned it I highly recommend bringing Liara on the final mission.
Ah ok, i'll keep that in mind
Thessia does hit hard. Even harder than Earth. Now that we have intimate knowledge of the scale.
Yeah, Javik saw the whole galaxy die around him, not just one planet. He kinda knows what he is talking about.
1:28:40 I think Javik actually cares in a way, because when Shepard tells him that Liara means a lot to her, he tells her what she wants to hear, to make her happy. If he didn't care, I think he would have been brutally honest, and he probably would have told her he didn't mean it. And also, Prothy the Prothean has a certain ring to it, doesn't it 😆
Don't know if you were aware of this, but that Asari with PTSD in the hospital is talking about what happened to Joker's sister and family on Triptree.
Fuck I never did not notice...this was about Joker family?
@@Je1imanek Yeah, it's very easy to miss. Took me years to figure it out
@@McSwiggle how do se know that? I Heard whole her Story on the citadel...but how do se know Its about Joker family?
This is the most important mission of the series - by that I mean saving our big cuddly buddies the Elcor. As if the Reapers couldn’t get any more evil.
They were already a nightmare, but they crossed a LINE when they went after the Elcor 😤
53:30 and the statues on Ilos under the guard of Vigil are revealed, and named.The Inusannon.
Your streams make me so happy
Thank you so much ❤️
As sad as it seems..... the situation with the Elcor just shows how thin everyone is being spread.
The Asari are meant to protect the Elcor. You saw how well they were going.
The Turians are busy with defending themselves and the Volus.
The humans and Salarians are busy holding their space together.
"Hi arseless chaps lady, it's good to know some things don't change." this slayed me
Give it up for the everyday heroes of the Citadel 😂
Just a little info you may or may not have missed now you've had the conversation with Joker. He talks about Tiptree and the Reapers arrival there. If you listen to that traumatised Asari in Huerta Hospital, she is talking about Tiptree. It is widely believed in fandom that the 'farm girl' was Joker's sister.
1:19:25 - The first time I played this, I legitimately wanted a renegade option to punch Joker here.
Yeeeah even for Joker it was too soon
So the asari were raised up by the surviving Protheans to be the ones to end the Cycle and beat the Reapers, but in their infinite wisdom (read: "hubris") decided to ignore the warnings and hoard the Protheans' knowledge for themselves.
Dj Lucy in house with mix master Dr. Chocolates, that part of the play through had me dying laughing 🤣. Yeah I really feel like you were meant to bring Javik along for that mission as well, but with original release of the game he was day one dlc.
Reeemix!! 📣
@@LucyusMaximus 🤣
1:36:06
My personal choice for a possible book title would be "The Prothean Empire: A Living History Of The Protheans," which is essentially combining 2 of the possible book titles that Liara has listed here
If you ask me, while Illusive Man's argument isn't _completely_ without merit (letting the Reapers and their knowledge and power just be erased is a waste), what he fails to realize is two things; one, would *anyone* truly appreciate such limitless power in the hands of a terrorist group like Cerberus? And two, how can he be certain it's his own conclusion? After all, even if he wants to stop the Reapers in other ways than outright destroying them, he's still hindering the Galaxy's efforts to do so more than he's helping them.
I suppose that's the real scary part of Indoctrination. It uses any your own arguments against you. Even if you're completely devoted to your own race's safety, Indoctrination still manages to make you sabotage them without realizing it.
Except for one detail you are probably missing... Even if the Reapers are destroyed, they won't be vaporized. Maybe the survivors might not be able to reach quite the level of the Reapers, but certainly in only a couple decades could advance by thousands of years by studying and reverse-engineering Reaper tech. The Illusive Man's plan as it is, leaves Reapers in existence with his mind in control... and when he dies, what then? At least destroyed they won't be a threat anymore and we can still take advantage.
@@j.rileyindependentproductions I feel like you're trying to make an argument for the ending of the game, but despite my own opinions I'm not going to. Both to keep this section spoiler-free and because I'm not in the mood right now to argue about that subject.
@@Timjer92 Oh, no, believe me, I am NOT making an argument for the end of the game at all, and am remaining SPOILER FREE. I was referring ONLY to how things are in that moment between Shep and TIM.
What I say in that situation, does not define anything else I may or may not decide at any other part of the game.
Jokers sass is the spice of the Normandy crew, we all appreciate it. Happy to see the adventures of Nyx continue.
The spice must flow! 🧂
1:34:14 There is a version where she doesn't. If you hadn't hit that paragon choice, Liara would've buried in her bed lying on her side like a fetus crying herself into dispair. I've seen it once because I wasn't fast enough to hit the paragon choice and after that you can't talk to her. The scene just ends.
😓😓😓
Javik was originally *not* DLC--they changed him to day 0 DLC--so I imagine it was originally intended to include Javik, when it could be expected everyone could bring him.
Secret Context: Keep talking to traumatized girl in citadel hospital. You might inadvertently discover something about a crewmate. It's not explicitly said, you have to parse it out a bit.
On a side note I never had the DLC so getting Javik in the Thessia scenes for years of just bringing random crew mates added a huge amount of good content. Very cool. Also there is something he says that is a big foreshadow. You would never guess but interesting in hindsight.
This mission hit hard when this first came out at this point in the game liara was a very beloved character so having lost and having her lose her home world kind of took a number on us. Lol....also after doing the priority mission sanctuary i recommend doing any unfinished missions especially the citadel dlc.
Picking Javik for Thessia
Expectations: He'll be hilarious
Reality: LORE & Character development with Liara
This is the mission that pissed off a lot of people. Kai Leng and his ridiculous plot armour. Nothing worse in gaming than a cutscene defeat by an enemy whose ass you were annihilating in gameplay. Doesn't help that Leng is a wannabe Edge-Lord that some lame writer thought was 'cool.'
It might be about time to take some shore leave...
Maaaaaybe 😎
Kai Leng was created with plot armor to move the story along. He's DESIGNED to be the worst. It's on purpose. lol
Can't watch this because I think you're ahead of me now, but this trilogy has been fucking incredible
Oh noooo! Catch up time 😄
Greetings milady! It was fun watching the expurgated version of your Stream (after attending the Live Stream)... this gut punch still hurts even with repeated viewing! You are into Chapter 3 and the Times of Reckoning & Resolution for this grand epic! They do well in putting all the puzzle pieces together and resolving the loose plot threads... and we are all looking forward to your next meet with that bastard Kai Leng! As Javik put it... his is a throat that needs to be slit! 🤯🤬
Bioware was GREAT at making you feel fully invested in the characters and the story, and really hurting your feelings with their plot twists and occasional crucial defeats! Many of us still bear the trauma of that Chapter of Neverwinter Nights with the Mother's request to rescue her Children from that Pack of Were-Rats... the tears and the rage are forever ingrained in our psyches from that one! I had friends who all played the game at the same time... we all had the same reaction. Turned the game off and had a good cry in the corner for awhile. We each called one another after reaching the plot twist... conversations were the same...
"Did you reach that part in the story?!" answered with a quiet and subdued "yeah"... 😓😅😅
Returning to the game a day or two later was with a fire of RESOLVE to quell our thirst for REVENGE! The MASS EFFECT Trilogy & DRAGON AGE were BIOWARE's final hurrah... 🙏😙
I look forward to your next Twitch Stream luv... the is still much to do,and the CITADEL DLC will probably take two (or even 3) Streams to conclude... it is jam packed to the gills with LOVE and hilarity (to counterbalance the traumas you've recently experienced)! See you soon luv, and as always... FLY ON COMMANDER! 🤟😎
8:06 i thought I had an issue with the video.. 😅 i agree.. do horizon first before citadel dlc...
😂
Talking about DJ Lucyus and remixes: What we really need here is you to make us a nice "Boop, Wheeeeeee, RUDE" remix! That would be one hell of a earworm. Think about it. Cut together all the "Boop" all the "Wheeeee" and all the "RUDE", get some bass and melody under it! A masterpiece is born!
I've thought about it 😂
@@LucyusMaximus I don't make dubstep, but I do make techno. If you make some vocal samples I'll try to cook something up 😉
Reapers go BUAAAAAAH
BWAAAAA
It should be a mandate and not even a choice to bring Javik to Thessia simply for the lore.
His dialog gets repetitive after a while. We get it already, Javik.
I never even recruit Javik, because the whole game's better without him.
Time for shore leave.
Just in case Rannoch cheered you up too much...
Have some sadness!
I don't feel sorry for the Asari at all. Shepherd kept asking them to help and that everyone needs to work together but they stood on the sidelines until they needed help.
They waited until it was already too late 🙁
This is untrue, they help once Cerberus attacks the citadel, way before Thessia falls. Admiral Hacket literally mentions this if you ask him about the council races after the respective mission. Don't get me wrong, they weren't helping from the get go, but it's not like anyone else was, we going to not care about Palaven burning or the Batarians getting obliterated(that happened before Earth was attacked, not a single council race helped them, including the Alliance).
God, I hate Kai Leng so much! Worst written character of the trilogy imo. He's like the self insert of a 14 year old edgelord who watches too much anime.
Now I can see him at this computer typing that email, with his waifu pillow in the background 😂
The sad part is, he was a character that Mass Effect fans were begging to be brought into the game.
He was in the novels first, and he's a much better character there (Or so I'm told.)
hard to feel sorry for the Asari's, Turians and/or Salarians, they were nothing but jerks and typical of real world politicians. I'm referring to the counsel. I did notice how anti-climatic that mission was.
Yeah, I *really* don’t like it when games give you a boss fight you can ”win” followed by a cut scene that’s like “nah, we’re doing this now”.
If you’re going to do that, why not just make the whole thing a cut scene?
Yeah it did feel a little odd