Unfortunately, it is working, which is scary. People are being drawn in by the wrong things like being hip and cool and hearing a watered-down message of acceptance without repentance and change, or the prosperity gospel, or both. Then someone comes along and tells these cool hip church goers the true word of God and they think it's false.
@@jmromero6381 amen to that! I went to one of those Hillsong-type churches in San Antonio for several years with a pastor like that. He was really spot on and kept it real life with his sermons, but the rock music a turnoff. Nowadays I’d rather have a staid and thoughtful church with old hymns, just leave politics out!
I don't know of anyone who would go to the White House in their jeans and sneakers . But, to worship The King of Kings and Lord of Lord's they wear their underwear and short shorts and flip flops seems absolutely obsurd and disrespectful . I was taught as a child to dress appropriately according to the event .. wear your swimsuit to the beach , not to the supermarket . God is still Holy and deserving of reverence..
So so do you think it's okay to wear a Speedo at church? Would it be okay if a woman or a micro bikini. Well I'm with you for the most part it really doesn't matter I don't think you have to wear a suit and a tie but you need to look decent it's not an important. Like I said I don't think you have to wear a suit and a tie that's insane especially here in Texas. But to say it doesn't matter it's going too far the opposite direction.
Someone referenced James 2. This has to do with the attire of a wealthy man vs. a poor man. That does NOT apply here. I think we can all agree those holey jeans, tight T-shirts, leather jackets, Nikes, and all that gold jewelry costs FAR MORE than several suits. This is about the "Look at me! Aren't I just too cool?" attitude of the arrogant vs. a single suit of the humble, respectful man of God. (And I'm NOT talking about a $5,000. suit either!) **In other words, it boils down to this: Arrogance + Pride of Self VS. Humility + Respect for GOD**
Your view on clothing is not wrong, but clothing is by far not the most important and even less essencial for salvation. And we shouldn't let the devil divide us born-agin Christans ! God bless 🕊
If you folks think that God is not concerned with how His people look,I would first look into the subject before an opinion is recorded. It us throughout the bible.
Problem is it becomes a test of fellowship for the militant fundamentalists. I come from a history of ifbc and they will wear a suit and tie teaching Sunday school In 100 degree heat in Africa. That’s not the way Hudson Taylor made inroads into China. A pastor should dress nice but I have no problem with dockers and a nice dress shirt. Remember you are also trying to identify with your congregation. If you’re wearing a 500$ suit in the inner city on a Sunday and every there is in pretty rough clothing there’s a separation in what you’re presenting. I would never wear a suit and tie when I go into a prison etc. nothing wrong with a suit and tie but it shouldn’t be a test of fellowship. Some hyper fundie churches won’t allow a goatee because it supposedly represents the devil…… 🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼 It gets so religious and pharisaical it becomes obnoxious.
@@slimp9944 I can understand where you are coming from, but I cannot see the way they dress as an example as a suit and tie could be used as another example of the time, those wearing a suit and tie is not the same as those who came before them over the centuries, dress styles change over time, being more casual tends to attract a lot more younger generations, however, the message and the watered down Gospel is the real issue here.
Read the Old Testament. Genesis specifically. God lays out how the priest ought to dress and while I’m not saying that modern day pastors should do that exactly it highlights my point which is that pastors are meant to have reverence for the lord in all things including how they dress while preaching.
@@MiguelGarcia-gy6nbfirst of all, those guidelines do not apply to Christians as we are not 1: Israelites, and 2: We come under the New Covenant, secondly, if we are to use the priestly dress code of the Old Testament, why then are Pastors not dressing up like Priests today within the Protestant Church like they do within the Catholic and Orthodox Churches 🤷♂️
I agree with you Sir. Most people nowadays approve of Pastors being soooo casual in their manner of dressing. Why? Because they themselves do not pay attention to their choice of clothes. No more modesty and propriety even in the church. It is truly indicative of the culture. It used to be that People put on their Sunday best. Also dress appropriately for weddings and funerals. The change in the manner of dressing in our culture is evident everywhere. Morbidly obese women and men do not attempt to cover their bodies anymore. They let it all hang out for everyone to see. They wear tight fitting clothes. Thank God there are still a small remnant of refined and elegant Christian ladies I know and model after. I also have the privilege of knowing distinguished Christian gentlemen in my church.
I don't wear a suit, I also don't wear clown outfits. I'm not a sports caster, talk show host, or a used car salesman. And I'm a conservative pastor. Lot's of false teachers wear expensive suits, it means nothing.
@@PatrickStar12341if you listen to when he talks about this fully, he says it's just his preference. He's not legalistic about it (calling it sin). It's his preference, that's all.
Biblical authors knew nothing of a suit and tie. The Bible does not mandate a suit and tie. Stop making people out to be doing wrong based off of your preferences. The Bible has enough laws without us adding to them.
The guy in the video is not saying that suit and ties are an obligation and second weather you like or not there is something even with biblical scriptures called modest clothing and appropriate clothing. These stardards are objective although the type of chlothing is subjective because of culture differences like in the case of the apostles. But like I said even within the apostles time there was litterly something that existed called modest and appropriate clothing. This is where you need to be honest and find the answer to what is the appropriate clothing for a leader or pastor and what is not?
@@alfredomaldonado6614 That's cultural. And what does the context of a modern day wedding have to do with the attire of pastors in church? I don't follow. I seem to remember Jesus telling people to clean the inside of the bowl. I have nothing against wearing suits, but to impress them onto others is to make them to carry a weight that is beyond Biblical. I would rather a pastor with sound teaching who preached in a bathing suit over a heretical man in a suit. Wouldn't you agree? Do not judge by outward appearance, but judge with a righteous judgement. Also, the church isn't just the gathering on Sunday. We are the church everyday. Are you therefore going to argue that we should always wear a suit, because we are always the church?
@@jeremyseaton3314 bro your missing the point is there such thing as modest and appropriate clothing? Yes or no. Seems your ignoring this essential issue and keep in mind I never even said that a pastor should be obligated to wear a suit and tie, and in regards to your question about a pastor teaching sound doctrine in a bathing I highly doubt that’s even possible or coherent, so I have to really think of that question. And what do you even mean we are the church every day? What definition of church are you using? Because we are not the church we are part of the church. In regards to the attire of a pastor weather you like it or not there is such thing as an appropriate attire for a pastor, just as there is an appropriate attire for a husband, for a wife, for children, for a mother, for a father, for a leader, for a manager, ext ect. And like I said I’m not saying that it is inappropriate for a pastor to not wear a suit and tie and likewise it wouldn’t be wrong to say that a suit and a tie is appropriate for a pastor. And just an fyi I’m not saying that you said this but be carful and I hope you don’t fall under the lie that God doesn’t care about your clothing, I don’t deny and I understand there are more important things than this but don’t make the mistake to say this is not important. Remember when Jesus rebuke the farasies who gave their thite Jesus did not say to forget if that because there were other things that were more important like justice ect ect. Matthew 23:23 New International Version 23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
That’s what you’ll think when you’re ignorant to society and how it affects the way people perceive the church. Christians obey that passage but the world doesn’t
Because you disagree, you use a scripture to prove your opinion. Is that not judging also? There is a thing called scriptural context, and you are out of context. The exegesis of the text is not talking about clothing.
@@titomunoz1012 You sir know the text but don’t understand the author. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly. The gospels explain how Jesus was judged off appearance. John 8:56-59 is another point of reference for you. He wants to clothe us with fruit and not care about what we physically wear. Don’t just read the word but know the one who is the word.
Dress respectfully and modestly, this will more depend on where you live than any universal standard. Dont come in dressed to impress. Dont come in work clothes. For me, i dont want to track grease, oil, and sawdust through our facilities. Im also not worried about what brands anyone is wearing
your best presentation is the condition of your heart. God is not concerned with your outer appearance unless it dishonors Him or your body. humans care about this stuff more than Him. when your heart gets right your attire will be appropriate.
It shouldn’t matter what you wear. we should look like the culture except where the culture is sinful. A tie doesn’t make you smarter, a t shirt doesn’t make you less wise.
I always have trouble with this. In Jesus's time, they only had one type of clothes. There were no suits or sunday clothes. How do we reconcile this? Our pastor always talks about how we dress and i never understood that.
That's not entirely true. The Jewish priests who served in the tabernacle and temple were given some of the finest garments described in the Bible. This was God's prescription for them for worship.
Correct!! @@j.w.neidhardt3787so what is Christ's prescription for dress for us today? I believe we are to dress humble and modest, and we are free in this area. No more laws, we're not in the old Covenant, however, I'm not advocating we wear skimpy clothes, tight fitting, etc. I've seen the pentacostal churches where the women all wear the long skirts. I believe laws are made where there is nothing said about such things in the Scriptures. I believe this is a wisdom issue and a heart right with God will wear what is pleasing to Him and at the same time, being mindful of their fellow brothers and sisters!
What evidence is there that they only has one set of clothes? What did they wear when their robes were being washed? Were the fishermen wearing work robes to weddings and Sabbaths festivals?
@@beardedbdub426well if that's the case then wearing a suit is only one type of clothing to wear. Although most sus pastors dress without a suit and wear youthful styles. That doesn't mean that dressing as such or not wearing a suit makes you a bad pastor Some wear button downs and slacks. Some wear a basic shirt and pants. Some wear a full suit. I think the problem is when you dress for the likes of others instead of for your own comfort. Joel Osteen wears a suit, and Mark Driscoll doesn't. If you have to dress a certain way, then you might as well be Catholic or Orthodox Jewish . Jesus came to allow all to be set free, not those who look a certain way. Now most of the "cool looking" pastors are sus, but it's only because they dress to impress and it's obvious when looking at their character. But frank turek, Mike winger, Nate Sala, Mark Driscoll, and many more are all quality teachers who don't wear a full pressed suit every single time(if any time) they preach. I believe your appearance follows your character. And if you are honestly for the kingdom of God then you'll focus less on your "swagger".
Not true at all.. they are dressed up (according to the culture).. don't get it confused- they aren't dressed down.. dresses down it a modest pair of slacks and a button down or polo.. not these outfits they're wearing
You don't need to get dressed up, if that is what you truly believe then you are sending the wrong message, John the Baptist is a prime example. The Bible does not give specific instructions on how to dress for church, but it does encourage modesty and respect for self and others, this however is not necessarily in the Church context but in general, i:e avoiding revealing or provocative clothing e.c.t
@@mikechristian-vn1leit's not silly because based on that logic it's now based on where you live 😅 God never favored John more or any less, that was my point 🙏
@shawnhammond9074 there used to a practice in many churches to put on your "Sunday best." Such things are always highly competitive and shame inducing for teens and women. Men's status are not strongly tied to how they look or dress. A doctor will be high status even though he drives a 5-year-old Oldsmobile, a man can wear an older suit but drive a BMW, but a woman has to look stylish. Some people stay home, or go to a water park, out of embarrassment.
This is legalism. The way a pastor dresses should not be a factor. The factor should be the message and the intent of the pastor. Its a heart condition not a suit condition.
@@robertmize327 Robert, you accuse me of being worldly and that’s a shame because you know nothing about me. That’s a bit careless brother. I’m an associate pastor now. When I preach in front of the congregation I typically wear a suit. I do that because I don’t want what I wear to be a distraction from the gospel. If I wore shorts and a shirt it might offend even though the Lord doesn’t care. When I was with youth for Friday night meetings, I wore street clothes- not to be cool, but because anything else in that setting would have distracted from the gospel of Christ.
The Youth pastors and the youth themselves need to be square if they’re really born from above and of God! That means short hair combed to the side, a collared short sleeve or button down shirt buttoned all the way to the top, slacks or jeans with the shirt tucked in and pulled above the waistline with a belt across, laughing at corny jokes, and singing old-fashioned hymns in all their glory! They’ll attract a very Christian homely girl with that!
Yeah obviously nobody is saying you have to wear a suit to get saved lol. Point is that pastors nowadays don’t dress for how important their job is because they want to seem trendy
There was that one guy, bound and thrown out of the marriage feast into the outer darkness because of what he refused to wear. Maybe how we dress isn’t as optional as most Americans think when they come as they are
My dad is a pastor, and he says “I wouldn’t go before a king without wearing my best, so I certainly won’t come to church services, before the king of kings, without doing that”.
I remember hearing either Steve Lawson or R.C. Sproul (maybe both) talking about this and saying that if we were invited to the throne room of the queen of England, protocol and respect for the office would mean that we would dress up in the highest level of formal attire available to us, and that Hebrews tells us that every worship service we are allowed spiritually into the throne room of the King of kings. That isn't to specify a particular dress code, but if the level of respect that a sports presenter has for his office is indicated as being higher with his dress code than someone who would preach the Word of God, that ought to make us stop and think.
Sorry, I disagree. I believe that we should wear presentable clothes (simple and neat) to church, but a suit is not a requirement. Also, if the pastor is going to wear a suit, and the other church members are not, then you are going to have a clergy and laity divide!
Pastor and laity divide? The five fold minstry has been put in place to perfect the church. In this world that we live in today,some church folk included,there is more honor and respect for entertainers and sports stars than Sunday school teachers, pastors,deacons,evangelists, and preachers. Talk about pastor laity divide.
@@titomunoz1012 In the New Testament, all believers are priests; refer to the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers. Martin Luther in his day fought against the divide of the Roman Catholic clergy and the lay people! Also, the five fold ministry that you are referring to is a responsibility and gifting. That still doesn’t promote clergy and laity divide. I know some lay people who are better teachers/preachers than “full time” clergy. And you talk about respect and honor? We are not called to look for respect and honor in the world. Jesus and the apostles never received any honor in this world. Leonard Ravenhill once said, “why do we expect to be better treated in world than Jesus was”! Using worldly entertainers as an example for the church is pretty bad.
They’ve taken the idea of, “God accepts you just the way you are” a bit far when they forget they are representing the Lord Jesus and at the same time they are trying to appease and draw in the people from the darkness
When you wear a suit you show that you have respect for yourself.... When you're in these positions and you don't wear a suit that shows you don't have respect for anyone
I’d argue you can be a hypocrite in a suit or a hypocrite in skinny jeans. Let the manner in which you present yourself and the good works you do be what people remember you for, not whether or not you’ve got a suit and tie on.
The all too common lack of reverential fear of the Lord is what he’s addressing. It’s not about the suits or jeans per se, it’s about the internal attitude our external attire represents. It’s ridiculous that this even needs to be explained. 🤦🏽♂️
Neckties and suits kind of offend me. I grew up a PK and thus, disliked any noose (necktie) around my neck. Not big on those suits I had to wear either. No sin in being comfortable.
As long as he’s modest As long as he teaches the gospel As long as he loves Jesus As long as he loves his congregation As long as he is a solid teacher As long as he preaches straight out of the Bible Then he is just as good of a pastor as somebody who owns a four piece suit I’m glad my pastor wears bowling shirts
He has a point but the word and behavior is what is the real concern, winning souls, and having integrity, not if the Pastor wears jeans. As long as the Pastor is respectful, clean and not vulgar then he looks ok. I do wish we would hold ourselves a little more upright while in church as I have seen some people coming in wearing inappropriate outfits( mainly women) but I do believe that the thought process regarding dressing down to church is to help people feel comfortable. Many people used to feel uncomfortable coming to church because they had to dress uncomfortably or they didn't have "church clothes" at home. Church shounot be a show of who dresses well.
Yep - sadly I have little respect for many “pastors” and this is one of the smaller reason why. Those pastors who have to be of the world. Some dye their graying hair, dress groovy - I think they want to be cool 😞
I'm adding a second comment to clarify. Lottie Moon, missionary to China, did not particularly care about her looks. She was different from the rest of her family and friends. She was 4'11" tall and had dark hair. When she arrived in China, stepped off the train and looked around, she smiled, suddenly realizing WHY GOD had made her "different." She looked very much like the Chinese people to whom she would minister! For the first time in her life, she truly felt like she "fit in!" She adopted the Chinese mode of dress, beautifully blending in, which made her appear less "foreign" and more approachable. So I understand what you're talking about in regard to adopting the style of clothing of the people to whom you minister. However, what is talked about here is the torn jeans, the T-shirts, Nikes, etc. which, I think you would agree, is a sporty or more casual look, or at times, a Hell's Angels' look! They are deliberately just drawing attention to themselves! Their clothes shout "LOOK AT ME!" It's PRIDEFUL! Those men can afford nice suits and we all know it. In the Bible, when Jews and believers went to Temple/Church, they dressed up, not to show off, but to honor God, to show RESPECT. In short, for a preacher to wear a suit is a sign of RESPECT to the GOD he is supposed to be serving. And it is also the mode of dress for most of the men in the congregation. Isn't that also a form of adopting the dress of those to whom you minister? 🤔
Keep in mind though that fanciness doesn’t make a pastors outfit. For a long time it was the cheapest clothes you could get so you could give more to the Lord and not be focused on appearance
What did the apostles who started the churches wear? Do you think they went and had the best seamstress in town make their robes, and the best shoe maker make their sandals? No they went and preached in the same clothes they fished in, mended nets in, made tents in, it’s not about the clothes, it’s about the message. Where did this tradition of a persons “Sunday best” for church come from? The same people who would be considered the Pharisees in Jesus time, making their own rules and traditions for God instead of following what he said to do
I get the point, but the Bible does not require wearing suits. I think that modest clothes are fine. Suits are not biblical clothes, nor are they non biblical clothes. They are just clothes.
Seeking first, not the kingdom of God, seeking first and foremost the popularity of man! We are not only tickling ears we are doing all we can to be popular in our day with man! Could these symptoms be related? Hmmmmmm! 2 Timothy 4: 2-4
It is a fundamentalist value to dress your Sunday best clothes to attend worship. Many fundamental churches look down on the people who can not afford the suit. I find the suit to be conceited. I was raised in this kind of church. I have also been part of churches where the pastor always officiated in a robe... similar to a judge or graduation gown.
Real pastors need to set an example. I remember a rime we, as black people use to dress presentable no matter where we went. If your job, that God bless you with requires you to wear a uniform, you would and not even question it. We give the world more respect that the House of God. Started with dress down sunday, then jean sunday. Now anything goes and the pastors dont say anything for fear if losing members and the almighty dollar. The church is a clown show. And some people may not know how to dress. Yes, come as you are, but don't stay that way.
I think we're talking about two different things here. Some churches, like mine, we are very casual. The pastor wears jeans and a button up shirt, or sometimes a nice t shirt. The idea is promoting an inner relationship with Christ, rather than focusing on appearances. That's very different than the pastor spending 500 dollars on cool shoes and 1,000 dollars on a designer jacket
I think Pastors wearing too tight khakis and shirts(not a suit) just as distracting as some woman hanging out of her shirt. A cheap suit that fits is better in my opinion than a distracting outfit whether it be khakis or jogging pants. It also helps to figure out who is the pastor. Alot of these I am referring to are Megachurches.
@@beardedbdub426dressing nicely and modestly does not equal wordly. My dad will wear a nice plaid button up shirt with slim fit/straight leg jeans (not skinny jeans) and classy masculine shoes. He's not SINNING by not wearing a suit.
Comparing yourself to the world to say why aren’t you dressed better like these guys then saying why are you acting like the world by dressing like this? Bad hill to die on.
I don't agree with everything Todd says, but I have learned some useful things, and now and then, I get a good wholesome chuckle from his style. Lately however, he seems to proclaim grace, but then goes on to pitch legalism about secondary issues. It sometimes seems like he's trying to produce click bait for his base. Here's a newsflash: Jesus and the disciples didn't wear Armani. As long as what a pastor preaches in is modest and clean, I don't care how hip he's trying to be.
Because God doesn't need us to dress up for Him. He was there when we were naked in our mother's womb. Clothes mean nothing to Him. Now, the Pharisees played dress-up every day, and we all know what Jesus thought of them. They were hypocrites! But Jesus? He wore a commoner's clothes. The King Himself wore tattered rags and dusty clothes and worn-down sandals the same as everyone else did. He was the most important person to ever step foot in those towns, and He wasn't wearing royal robes! He looked just like everyone else. The difference is that He didn't ACT like everyone else. The Bible clearly says that God doesn't look at outside appearances like MAN does. Instead, He looks at the heart. And before any of you say, "Oh, but they're speaking a certain way just so that they're relatable!" Says who? You? Do you personally know these pastors? Have you ever had dinner at their homes and witnessed what they act like and how they talk when they aren't on stage? No? Then who are you to say that that isn't their personality? You don't know these people! How about we stop judging people based off of what CLOTHES they wear and how they talk? Because God doesn't need actors. He doesn't need fashion models. He needs people who are on fire for Him.
The blind leading the blind, that's who they are!
Too many pastors are trying to be hip and relatable. It just doesn’t work.
Right! Pastors are supposed to be square and staid people!
Unfortunately, it is working, which is scary. People are being drawn in by the wrong things like being hip and cool and hearing a watered-down message of acceptance without repentance and change, or the prosperity gospel, or both. Then someone comes along and tells these cool hip church goers the true word of God and they think it's false.
I'm too old to be impressed.
@@jmromero6381 amen to that! I went to one of those Hillsong-type churches in San Antonio for several years with a pastor like that. He was really spot on and kept it real life with his sermons, but the rock music a turnoff.
Nowadays I’d rather have a staid and thoughtful church with old hymns, just leave politics out!
You know you realize he's talking about pastors right here? Not the congruence
This is the stuff that doesn’t matter
Making small stuff into big nonsense!
I don't know of anyone who would go to the White House in their jeans and sneakers . But, to worship The King of Kings and Lord of Lord's they wear their underwear and short shorts and flip flops seems absolutely obsurd and disrespectful . I was taught as a child to dress appropriately according to the event .. wear your swimsuit to the beach , not to the supermarket . God is still Holy and deserving of reverence..
Exactly 💯
why would you want you dress formally just to meet a man who is only dust yet you think exceptional to the church?
So so do you think it's okay to wear a Speedo at church? Would it be okay if a woman or a micro bikini. Well I'm with you for the most part it really doesn't matter I don't think you have to wear a suit and a tie but you need to look decent it's not an important. Like I said I don't think you have to wear a suit and a tie that's insane especially here in Texas. But to say it doesn't matter it's going too far the opposite direction.
Someone referenced James 2.
This has to do with the attire of a wealthy man vs. a poor man.
That does NOT apply here.
I think we can all agree those holey jeans, tight T-shirts, leather jackets, Nikes, and all that gold jewelry costs FAR MORE than several suits.
This is about the "Look at me! Aren't I just too cool?" attitude of the arrogant vs. a single suit of the humble, respectful man of God. (And I'm NOT talking about a $5,000. suit either!)
**In other words, it boils down to this:
Arrogance + Pride of Self
VS.
Humility + Respect for GOD**
Your view on clothing is not wrong, but clothing is by far not the most important and even less essencial for salvation.
And we shouldn't let the devil divide us born-agin Christans !
God bless 🕊
Linda, I couldn't have said it more eloquently myself. You are spot on sister!
I agree 👍🏼
If you folks think that God is not concerned with how His people look,I would first look into the subject before an opinion is recorded. It us throughout the bible.
Problem is it becomes a test of fellowship for the militant fundamentalists. I come from a history of ifbc and they will wear a suit and tie teaching Sunday school
In 100 degree heat in Africa. That’s not the way Hudson Taylor made inroads into China. A pastor should dress nice but I have no problem with dockers and a nice dress shirt.
Remember you are also trying to identify with your congregation. If you’re wearing a 500$ suit in the inner city on a Sunday and every there is in pretty rough clothing there’s a separation in what you’re presenting. I would never wear a suit and tie when I go into a prison etc.
nothing wrong with a suit and tie but it shouldn’t be a test of fellowship.
Some hyper fundie churches won’t allow a goatee because it supposedly represents the devil……
🤦🏼🤦🏼🤦🏼
It gets so religious and pharisaical it becomes obnoxious.
I dont think the Apostles wore suits and ties 🧐 It has nothing to do with the clothing, it has to do with the message and the way it is delivered.
I agree but you can see the parallels of culture sneaking into our churches and this being one of the examples
@@slimp9944 I can understand where you are coming from, but I cannot see the way they dress as an example as a suit and tie could be used as another example of the time, those wearing a suit and tie is not the same as those who came before them over the centuries, dress styles change over time, being more casual tends to attract a lot more younger generations, however, the message and the watered down Gospel is the real issue here.
Read the Old Testament. Genesis specifically. God lays out how the priest ought to dress and while I’m not saying that modern day pastors should do that exactly it highlights my point which is that pastors are meant to have reverence for the lord in all things including how they dress while preaching.
@@ketogenic_ron I agree with you 100%
@@MiguelGarcia-gy6nbfirst of all, those guidelines do not apply to Christians as we are not 1: Israelites, and 2: We come under the New Covenant, secondly, if we are to use the priestly dress code of the Old Testament, why then are Pastors not dressing up like Priests today within the Protestant Church like they do within the Catholic and Orthodox Churches 🤷♂️
I agree with you Sir.
Most people nowadays approve of Pastors being soooo casual in their manner of dressing. Why?
Because they themselves do not pay attention to their choice of clothes.
No more modesty and propriety even in the church.
It is truly indicative of the culture.
It used to be that People put on their Sunday best. Also dress appropriately for weddings and funerals.
The change in the manner of dressing in our culture is evident everywhere. Morbidly obese women and men do not attempt to cover their bodies anymore. They let it all hang out for everyone to see. They wear tight fitting clothes.
Thank God there are still a small remnant of refined and elegant Christian ladies I know and model after. I also have the privilege of knowing distinguished Christian gentlemen in my church.
I don't wear a suit, I also don't wear clown outfits. I'm not a sports caster, talk show host, or a used car salesman. And I'm a conservative pastor. Lot's of false teachers wear expensive suits, it means nothing.
Agreed, I like Todd but this is definitely one of his more legalistic takes LOL.
@@PatrickStar12341 me too
At least don't dress like gangsters bruh
You talking like one@@QF1612
@@PatrickStar12341if you listen to when he talks about this fully, he says it's just his preference. He's not legalistic about it (calling it sin). It's his preference, that's all.
Biblical authors knew nothing of a suit and tie. The Bible does not mandate a suit and tie. Stop making people out to be doing wrong based off of your preferences. The Bible has enough laws without us adding to them.
The guy in the video is not saying that suit and ties are an obligation and second weather you like or not there is something even with biblical scriptures called modest clothing and appropriate clothing. These stardards are objective although the type of chlothing is subjective because of culture differences like in the case of the apostles. But like I said even within the apostles time there was litterly something that existed called modest and appropriate clothing. This is where you need to be honest and find the answer to what is the appropriate clothing for a leader or pastor and what is not?
@@alfredomaldonado6614 And who's to say what modest is exactly. A T shirt and jeans are modest too.
@@jeremyseaton3314 your correct they are modest know tell me are they appropriate for the husband in the wedding?
@@alfredomaldonado6614 That's cultural. And what does the context of a modern day wedding have to do with the attire of pastors in church? I don't follow. I seem to remember Jesus telling people to clean the inside of the bowl. I have nothing against wearing suits, but to impress them onto others is to make them to carry a weight that is beyond Biblical. I would rather a pastor with sound teaching who preached in a bathing suit over a heretical man in a suit. Wouldn't you agree? Do not judge by outward appearance, but judge with a righteous judgement.
Also, the church isn't just the gathering on Sunday. We are the church everyday. Are you therefore going to argue that we should always wear a suit, because we are always the church?
@@jeremyseaton3314 bro your missing the point is there such thing as modest and appropriate clothing? Yes or no.
Seems your ignoring this essential issue and keep in mind I never even said that a pastor should be obligated to wear a suit and tie, and in regards to your question about a pastor teaching sound doctrine in a bathing I highly doubt that’s even possible or coherent, so I have to really think of that question. And what do you even mean we are the church every day? What definition of church are you using? Because we are not the church we are part of the church.
In regards to the attire of a pastor weather you like it or not there is such thing as an appropriate attire for a pastor, just as there is an appropriate attire for a husband, for a wife, for children, for a mother, for a father, for a leader, for a manager, ext ect. And like I said I’m not saying that it is inappropriate for a pastor to not wear a suit and tie and likewise it wouldn’t be wrong to say that a suit and a tie is appropriate for a pastor. And just an fyi I’m not saying that you said this but be carful and I hope you don’t fall under the lie that God doesn’t care about your clothing, I don’t deny and I understand there are more important things than this but don’t make the mistake to say this is not important. Remember when Jesus rebuke the farasies who gave their thite Jesus did not say to forget if that because there were other things that were more important like justice ect ect.
Matthew 23:23
New International Version
23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices-mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Crazy I was thinking bout this last week and felt the same way, we should dress honorable and appropriate to church especially a pastor
Amen!!!
John 7:24 Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
That’s what you’ll think when you’re ignorant to society and how it affects the way people perceive the church. Christians obey that passage but the world doesn’t
Because you disagree, you use a scripture to prove your opinion. Is that not judging also? There is a thing called scriptural context, and you are out of context. The exegesis of the text is not talking about clothing.
@@titomunoz1012 You sir know the text but don’t understand the author. 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly. The gospels explain how Jesus was judged off appearance. John 8:56-59 is another point of reference for you. He wants to clothe us with fruit and not care about what we physically wear. Don’t just read the word but know the one who is the word.
Thanks I really needed this, I'ma show up to church tmrw in a pink bikini and a happy dad cap.
@@user-sl8ig6iw1m you should read Ephesians 5
Dress respectfully and modestly, this will more depend on where you live than any universal standard. Dont come in dressed to impress. Dont come in work clothes. For me, i dont want to track grease, oil, and sawdust through our facilities. Im also not worried about what brands anyone is wearing
Amen
Amen. My Heavenly Father deserves our Best presentation at Sunday Worship .
your best presentation is the condition of your heart. God is not concerned with your outer appearance unless it dishonors Him or your body. humans care about this stuff more than Him. when your heart gets right your attire will be appropriate.
It shouldn’t matter what you wear. we should look like the culture except where the culture is sinful. A tie doesn’t make you smarter, a t shirt doesn’t make you less wise.
I always have trouble with this. In Jesus's time, they only had one type of clothes. There were no suits or sunday clothes. How do we reconcile this? Our pastor always talks about how we dress and i never understood that.
Based, not religious but it should be about what one says not what they're wearing.
That's not entirely true. The Jewish priests who served in the tabernacle and temple were given some of the finest garments described in the Bible. This was God's prescription for them for worship.
Correct!! @@j.w.neidhardt3787so what is Christ's prescription for dress for us today? I believe we are to dress humble and modest, and we are free in this area. No more laws, we're not in the old Covenant, however, I'm not advocating we wear skimpy clothes, tight fitting, etc. I've seen the pentacostal churches where the women all wear the long skirts. I believe laws are made where there is nothing said about such things in the Scriptures. I believe this is a wisdom issue and a heart right with God will wear what is pleasing to Him and at the same time, being mindful of their fellow brothers and sisters!
What evidence is there that they only has one set of clothes? What did they wear when their robes were being washed? Were the fishermen wearing work robes to weddings and Sabbaths festivals?
@@beardedbdub426well if that's the case then wearing a suit is only one type of clothing to wear. Although most sus pastors dress without a suit and wear youthful styles. That doesn't mean that dressing as such or not wearing a suit makes you a bad pastor
Some wear button downs and slacks. Some wear a basic shirt and pants. Some wear a full suit. I think the problem is when you dress for the likes of others instead of for your own comfort. Joel Osteen wears a suit, and Mark Driscoll doesn't.
If you have to dress a certain way, then you might as well be Catholic or Orthodox Jewish . Jesus came to allow all to be set free, not those who look a certain way.
Now most of the "cool looking" pastors are sus, but it's only because they dress to impress and it's obvious when looking at their character. But frank turek, Mike winger, Nate Sala, Mark Driscoll, and many more are all quality teachers who don't wear a full pressed suit every single time(if any time) they preach.
I believe your appearance follows your character. And if you are honestly for the kingdom of God then you'll focus less on your "swagger".
Pastors are sending the message that you don't need to get dressed up for church.
Not true at all.. they are dressed up (according to the culture).. don't get it confused- they aren't dressed down.. dresses down it a modest pair of slacks and a button down or polo.. not these outfits they're wearing
You don't need to get dressed up, if that is what you truly believe then you are sending the wrong message, John the Baptist is a prime example. The Bible does not give specific instructions on how to dress for church, but it does encourage modesty and respect for self and others, this however is not necessarily in the Church context but in general, i:e avoiding revealing or provocative clothing e.c.t
@ketogenic_ron John lived in the wilderness. He's a kind of wildman. I agree that you don't need to get dressed up, but your John analogy is silly.
@@mikechristian-vn1leit's not silly because based on that logic it's now based on where you live 😅 God never favored John more or any less, that was my point 🙏
@shawnhammond9074 there used to a practice in many churches to put on your "Sunday best." Such things are always highly competitive and shame inducing for teens and women. Men's status are not strongly tied to how they look or dress. A doctor will be high status even though he drives a 5-year-old Oldsmobile, a man can wear an older suit but drive a BMW, but a woman has to look stylish. Some people stay home, or go to a water park, out of embarrassment.
Amen to the very factual truth of it all in Yeshua's most Holy glorious wonderful and beautifully powerful name Amen!🙌.
Amén!! You said it perfectly.
Exactly. They should show respect for the position!
These men are seeking attention for themselves. That is not what Pastors have been called to do.
Don't recall Paul wearing a suit and tie...
If they can afford a suit, then buy one.
This is legalism. The way a pastor dresses should not be a factor. The factor should be the message and the intent of the pastor. Its a heart condition not a suit condition.
Youth pastors trying to be hip and cool to connect with the youth. They want to have both the world and God
To be fair… a youth pastor wearing a suit is also distracting. Heh
@McTaco
Not if you're there to hear the Word of God. You are worldly and that's a shame
@@robertmize327 Robert, you accuse me of being worldly and that’s a shame because you know nothing about me. That’s a bit careless brother. I’m an associate pastor now. When I preach in front of the congregation I typically wear a suit. I do that because I don’t want what I wear to be a distraction from the gospel. If I wore shorts and a shirt it might offend even though the Lord doesn’t care. When I was with youth for Friday night meetings, I wore street clothes- not to be cool, but because anything else in that setting would have distracted from the gospel of Christ.
Funny thing is those people werent youth pastors. But pastors of grown men and women.
The Youth pastors and the youth themselves need to be square if they’re really born from above and of God! That means short hair combed to the side, a collared short sleeve or button down shirt buttoned all the way to the top, slacks or jeans with the shirt tucked in and pulled above the waistline with a belt across, laughing at corny jokes, and singing old-fashioned hymns in all their glory! They’ll attract a very Christian homely girl with that!
Thanks you
Agreed! It seems pastors need to ask themselves who do they respect more; themselves or God!
Makes sense to me.
Clothes don't save, a relationship with Jesus Christ does. How would Jesus Dress?
Yeah obviously nobody is saying you have to wear a suit to get saved lol. Point is that pastors nowadays don’t dress for how important their job is because they want to seem trendy
There was that one guy, bound and thrown out of the marriage feast into the outer darkness because of what he refused to wear. Maybe how we dress isn’t as optional as most Americans think when they come as they are
The problem with churches today is that they have made void God's 10 commandments...
My dad is a pastor, and he says “I wouldn’t go before a king without wearing my best, so I certainly won’t come to church services, before the king of kings, without doing that”.
You nailed it Mr Todd!!
I remember hearing either Steve Lawson or R.C. Sproul (maybe both) talking about this and saying that if we were invited to the throne room of the queen of England, protocol and respect for the office would mean that we would dress up in the highest level of formal attire available to us, and that Hebrews tells us that every worship service we are allowed spiritually into the throne room of the King of kings.
That isn't to specify a particular dress code, but if the level of respect that a sports presenter has for his office is indicated as being higher with his dress code than someone who would preach the Word of God, that ought to make us stop and think.
Not in my church. Every pastor must wear a suit.
What verse is that? New Testament?
@@recruiter8323 yes !!! ...😂
Legalism brings death. But the SPIRIT brings life!
Paul told Timothy and here we are. It's not hard to read and understand 😮
MARANATHA ❤
Good point, Friel. Dissapointing that others just cant see the obvious.
Sorry, I disagree. I believe that we should wear presentable clothes (simple and neat) to church, but a suit is not a requirement. Also, if the pastor is going to wear a suit, and the other church members are not, then you are going to have a clergy and laity divide!
Pastor and laity divide? The five fold minstry has been put in place to perfect the church. In this world that we live in today,some church folk included,there is more honor and respect for entertainers and sports stars than Sunday school teachers, pastors,deacons,evangelists, and preachers. Talk about pastor laity divide.
@@titomunoz1012 In the New Testament, all believers are priests; refer to the doctrine of the priesthood of all believers. Martin Luther in his day fought against the divide of the Roman Catholic clergy and the lay people! Also, the five fold ministry that you are referring to is a responsibility and gifting. That still doesn’t promote clergy and laity divide. I know some lay people who are better teachers/preachers than “full time” clergy. And you talk about respect and honor?
We are not called to look for respect and honor in the world. Jesus and the apostles never received any honor in this world. Leonard Ravenhill once said, “why do we expect to be better treated in world than Jesus was”! Using worldly entertainers as an example for the church is pretty bad.
They’ve taken the idea of, “God accepts you just the way you are” a bit far when they forget they are representing the Lord Jesus and at the same time they are trying to appease and draw in the people from the darkness
It was to make everyone feel welcome...that it wasn't important what you wore but that you came
“Come as you are” is the most misunderstood statement in the Bible I swear.
When a man is called by the Living God to proclaim His word, that man will represent God appropriately in attire. For God is Holy.
The pastors you showed have much bigger issues than their clothes.
How many of these pastors would dress as casual as they do in church if they were invited to the White House?
Preach it, brother!
I've never met a pastor like this, but I feel like it's supposed to serve as a message to the youth
What a silly thing to harp on about. Isn't God the one who doesn't judge based on appearance, but rather, judges the heart?
My pastor wears both, I can appreciate a pastor that’s dressed down, as well as one who’s dressed to the nine’s 🤷♂️
This isn’t the 1900’s suits aren’t the only formal attire anymore
When you wear a suit you show that you have respect for yourself.... When you're in these positions and you don't wear a suit that shows you don't have respect for anyone
I AGREE 100%
Jesus Christ clothes is with His robe of righteousness
I truly believe we, me included, don’t understand how Holy God is.
Valid point
Those people are NOT pastors!!!
That's like pointing to a cat to show how dogs don't look the right way 🤦
Why is it that evangelical pastors support a man who,according to the Bible,is the living embodiment of ALL evil?
I’d argue you can be a hypocrite in a suit or a hypocrite in skinny jeans. Let the manner in which you present yourself and the good works you do be what people remember you for, not whether or not you’ve got a suit and tie on.
Man looks to the outward appearance, but God looks at the heart.
I’m not woke. But you won’t catch this Florida man dressibg in a suit
Are you a Pastor of a church?
Based
The all too common lack of reverential fear of the Lord is what he’s addressing. It’s not about the suits or jeans per se, it’s about the internal attitude our external attire represents. It’s ridiculous that this even needs to be explained. 🤦🏽♂️
I’ve thought the same thing.
God's man is not supposed to hip. He is supposed to be HOLY!
I'm in your camp bro!
What color was Jesus's suit during the sermon on the mound? Did he take some time apart to get dressed like you need to in order to wear a suit?
Facts!
Neckties and suits kind of offend me. I grew up a PK and thus, disliked any noose (necktie) around my neck. Not big on those suits I had to wear either. No sin in being comfortable.
@@tatumhildebrand5397 Preachers kid
We are supposed to set ourselves apart from the world.
Book of James chapter 2 verses 2- 26
100% correct scripture for this topic
As long as he’s modest
As long as he teaches the gospel
As long as he loves Jesus
As long as he loves his congregation
As long as he is a solid teacher
As long as he preaches straight out of the Bible
Then he is just as good of a pastor as somebody who owns a four piece suit
I’m glad my pastor wears bowling shirts
He has a point but the word and behavior is what is the real concern, winning souls, and having integrity, not if the Pastor wears jeans. As long as the Pastor is respectful, clean and not vulgar then he looks ok.
I do wish we would hold ourselves a little more upright while in church as I have seen some people coming in wearing inappropriate outfits( mainly women) but I do believe that the thought process regarding dressing down to church is to help people feel comfortable.
Many people used to feel uncomfortable coming to church because they had to dress uncomfortably or they didn't have "church clothes" at home. Church shounot be a show of who dresses well.
Oh no! Not the suits!
Yep - sadly I have little respect for many “pastors” and this is one of the smaller reason why. Those pastors who have to be of the world. Some dye their graying hair, dress groovy - I think they want to be cool 😞
Jesus wore the clothes of the people
He had to be kissed to be identified
I'm adding a second comment to clarify.
Lottie Moon, missionary to China, did not particularly care about her looks. She was different from the rest of her family and friends. She was 4'11" tall and had dark hair.
When she arrived in China, stepped off the train and looked around, she smiled, suddenly realizing WHY GOD had made her "different." She looked very much like the Chinese people to whom she would minister! For the first time in her life, she truly felt like she "fit in!"
She adopted the Chinese mode of dress, beautifully blending in, which made her appear less "foreign" and more approachable. So I understand what you're talking about in regard to adopting the style of clothing of the people to whom you minister.
However, what is talked about here is the torn jeans, the T-shirts, Nikes, etc. which, I think you would agree, is a sporty or more casual look, or at times, a Hell's Angels' look! They are deliberately just drawing attention to themselves! Their clothes shout "LOOK AT ME!" It's PRIDEFUL!
Those men can afford nice suits and we all know it.
In the Bible, when Jews and believers went to Temple/Church, they dressed up, not to show off, but to honor God, to show RESPECT.
In short, for a preacher to wear a suit is a sign of RESPECT to the GOD he is supposed to be serving. And it is also the mode of dress for most of the men in the congregation. Isn't that also a form of adopting the dress of those to whom you minister? 🤔
They are catering to the world. For the world to accept them and not Christ. Making it fun for people to come to church but not Christ.
IDK I find it weirder for pastors to be wearing suits considering the origin to be from military uniforms.
Adrian Rogers always looked great. Billy Graham, Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah. All put together well.
I don’t think what you wear matters to much as long as it’s modest and you’re teaching correct doctrine
Keep in mind though that fanciness doesn’t make a pastors outfit. For a long time it was the cheapest clothes you could get so you could give more to the Lord and not be focused on appearance
Why did the Roman soldiers gamble for who kept Jesus’s robes?
What did the apostles who started the churches wear? Do you think they went and had the best seamstress in town make their robes, and the best shoe maker make their sandals? No they went and preached in the same clothes they fished in, mended nets in, made tents in, it’s not about the clothes, it’s about the message. Where did this tradition of a persons “Sunday best” for church come from? The same people who would be considered the Pharisees in Jesus time, making their own rules and traditions for God instead of following what he said to do
Ah yes Jesus in his suit and tie.
So like why does it matter? What difference does a suit make if you aren't libingnwhst you preach?
Been screaming this, only to hear, its not about what you wear... well....
Protestantism, breaking with traditional norms since 1517.
I get the point, but the Bible does not require wearing suits. I think that modest clothes are fine. Suits are not biblical clothes, nor are they non biblical clothes. They are just clothes.
Public school teacher dress the same way
I totally agree
Pastor Groovy😂😂😂😂
Seeking first, not the kingdom of God, seeking first and foremost the popularity of man! We are not only tickling ears we are doing all we can to be popular in our day with man! Could these symptoms be related? Hmmmmmm! 2 Timothy 4: 2-4
Every Christian should dress their very best, professionally and formally, at church unless they don't have quality clothing, of course.
It is a fundamentalist value to dress your Sunday best clothes to attend worship.
Many fundamental churches look down on the people who can not afford the suit.
I find the suit to be conceited.
I was raised in this kind of church.
I have also been part of churches where the pastor always officiated in a robe... similar to a judge or graduation gown.
Pretty legalistic to expect a suit and look down your noses at those who don't wear them. You can still be classy/modest without a suit.
Real pastors need to set an example. I remember a rime we, as black people use to dress presentable no matter where we went. If your job, that God bless you with requires you to wear a uniform, you would and not even question it. We give the world more respect that the House of God. Started with dress down sunday, then jean sunday. Now anything goes and the pastors dont say anything for fear if losing members and the almighty dollar. The church is a clown show. And some people may not know how to dress. Yes, come as you are, but don't stay that way.
I think we're talking about two different things here. Some churches, like mine, we are very casual. The pastor wears jeans and a button up shirt, or sometimes a nice t shirt. The idea is promoting an inner relationship with Christ, rather than focusing on appearances. That's very different than the pastor spending 500 dollars on cool shoes and 1,000 dollars on a designer jacket
So, pastors should look and act worldly?
I think Pastors wearing too tight khakis and shirts(not a suit) just as distracting as some woman hanging out of her shirt. A cheap suit that fits is better in my opinion than a distracting outfit whether it be khakis or jogging pants. It also helps to figure out who is the pastor. Alot of these I am referring to are Megachurches.
@@beardedbdub426dressing nicely and modestly does not equal wordly. My dad will wear a nice plaid button up shirt with slim fit/straight leg jeans (not skinny jeans) and classy masculine shoes. He's not SINNING by not wearing a suit.
@@goosieschmoo8239 Either you replied to the wrong post or there’s a lot of guilt to deal with. Peace to you
Give me a verse that says Jesus dressed fancy
Comparing yourself to the world to say why aren’t you dressed better like these guys then saying why are you acting like the world by dressing like this? Bad hill to die on.
You would be shocked to see what Jesus Wore
I don't agree with everything Todd says, but I have learned some useful things, and now and then, I get a good wholesome chuckle from his style. Lately however, he seems to proclaim grace, but then goes on to pitch legalism about secondary issues. It sometimes seems like he's trying to produce click bait for his base.
Here's a newsflash: Jesus and the disciples didn't wear Armani. As long as what a pastor preaches in is modest and clean, I don't care how hip he's trying to be.
Because God doesn't need us to dress up for Him. He was there when we were naked in our mother's womb. Clothes mean nothing to Him. Now, the Pharisees played dress-up every day, and we all know what Jesus thought of them. They were hypocrites!
But Jesus? He wore a commoner's clothes. The King Himself wore tattered rags and dusty clothes and worn-down sandals the same as everyone else did. He was the most important person to ever step foot in those towns, and He wasn't wearing royal robes! He looked just like everyone else. The difference is that He didn't ACT like everyone else.
The Bible clearly says that God doesn't look at outside appearances like MAN does. Instead, He looks at the heart. And before any of you say, "Oh, but they're speaking a certain way just so that they're relatable!" Says who? You? Do you personally know these pastors? Have you ever had dinner at their homes and witnessed what they act like and how they talk when they aren't on stage? No? Then who are you to say that that isn't their personality? You don't know these people! How about we stop judging people based off of what CLOTHES they wear and how they talk? Because God doesn't need actors. He doesn't need fashion models. He needs people who are on fire for Him.
Formed. You give credence to the practice of Liturgical vestments worn by clergy in The Catholic Church.
Most Baptist pastors wear suits still don’t they?